Liverpool Banter Archive September 01 2017

01 Sep 2017 23:21:53
Could be interesting how coutinho situation plays out in next week to ten days. Will we hear from him or his representatives saying he wished for a dream move to Barcelona but no fee agreed so now will giv his all to lfc? Will he jus say he dissapointed a move never materialised and he still injured and not available for selection by lfc? Will we even hear from him at all? I'm. not sure when Brazil play again but I think it could be a very awkward situation when he back at Kenwood. As ed002 said earlier he made it clear he didn't want to play for lfc again and he dislikes klopp! This pantomime could get worse if we don't tread carefully.

02 Sep 2017 00:08:14
He can hardly claim still injured, otherwise he will cause issues between Brazil and Liverpool and stick himself in the middle of those, would just be digging himself into a bigger hole.

02 Sep 2017 00:09:04
If he is genuinely not happy we should have took £130+ million and let him go, replacement or not. He is a very good player but we paid £8 million for him. I'd sooner play a youngster in the role and take the cash. We have a good amount of midfielders and have coped without him.

Baz.

02 Sep 2017 00:13:09
that’s assuming he does come back haha.

02 Sep 2017 00:42:50
I think that's why Klopp stood back from the saga, and probably told Coutts to sort it out with the clubs hierarchy.

That way at least Klopp can say, now that its sorted to Couts to come back and concentrate on the football side of things.

Great management if it happened that way.

02 Sep 2017 03:53:23
As much as he is probably totally pissed off, this is a World Cup year so he doesn't really have much choice other than to knuckle down and play his hardest. I don't have too many issues with him wanting to make that move as Barcelona and Real are on another level but it does continue to test the strength of legally binding contracts.

Pool decided to dig their heals in figuring with 1. no buyout clause, 2. delaying the Saurez move a year and 3. World Cup in June, they had a pretty strong hand. Net result, we get him for one more year. It has the potential to be a really good year, hopefully challenging for the title and worst case securing CL again, maybe last 8 in CL (too optimistic? ) and possible deep runs in the domestic cups.

02 Sep 2017 05:36:00
There's already a large boo brigade always ready to pile on the sh*t on to Fsg's head the moment there's a misstep. Can anyone imagine the outrage and outcry if Coutinho had been allowed to leave without being replaced? The club tried, but couldn't find a replacement. I always say "take the money and run", but in this case "take the money and run next summer" is a better option.

02 Sep 2017 08:30:37
LFC picked a good time to stand up to Barcelona as they may be a little weak since Neymar saga. I'd bet the surprise of not getting their man in spite of all the games pkayed with it has put them on the back foot a little now.

01 Sep 2017 22:14:21
The window was a little disappointing in the end. Expectations were high with VVD and Lemar but it wasn't to be. I think if we had gotten those 2 we would have been up there with the Manchester clubs competing for the title. Now I think, it's another year trying to finish 4th. Anyway time to get behind the Manager and players and hope for the best.

01 Sep 2017 22:43:45
Are you kidding me?! We have just destroyed yes destroyed our closest rivals for 4th spot. We are contenders with or without VVD don't you worry about that. The way people talk you'd think VVD was the best defender ever to walk the earth! Plus if we'd got Lemar the Coutinho would be holding up a Barcelona shirt on Sly Sports News right this very moment so it's arguable that we've not missed out there either. We got a decent left back who could turn out to be brilliant, Mo Salah, Englands brightest young striking talent, Naby F@cking Keita and stole AOC from Arsenal AND Chelsea! AND we kept Coutinho! I suppose we should've signed Neymar and Mbappe eh?

02 Sep 2017 00:14:13
I agree,
But of all the positions on the pitch, the CB one in our case was the most important one to bolster.

The spine of the team being strong is paramount to achieving sustainable results on a season long basis.
And i've always been told you build the spine from the back.

02 Sep 2017 00:32:16
We didn't get everyone we wanted, but I'm glad we were more picky this summer as it's far from wise to allow panic to dictate your decisions. We did reasonably well, and got Naby Keita for next year. If we can keep everyone fit and get Coutinho back on the pitch I'd say we are in fine fettle.

Despite the negativity on here I think AOC will prove to be a very useful signing IF he can stay fit, definitely an upgrade on Milner. Salah is doing well so far and Robertson has shown that he too is a good option, great crosser of the ball. Moreno is resurgent and had a really good game against Arsenal, whether he can maintain that remains to be seen of course. Solanke has come in and effectively displaced Origi. For the first time in a while we don't just have a good first 11, but a decent level of squad depth with a wide variety of qualities.

02 Sep 2017 01:22:28
Arsenal are hardly our closest rivals for 4th spot. That would be Spurs and Chelsea. Arsenal are a mess and we will see them getting thumped like that quite often this season. It was a good team performance by us against Arsenal, but not a spectacle as everyone claims it to be.

01 Sep 2017 21:54:52
Anyone see Robertson's goal for Scotland vs Lithuania? Top class finish.

01 Sep 2017 22:26:32
Wand of a left foot.

01 Sep 2017 21:30:27
Serious question - Why are majority of the international matches so boring? As an example, watching England today and Uruguay and Argentina yesterday, these are teams with talented individuals playing at top clubs but in an international match, its so lackluster. Is it mostly down to the managers managing international teams, or are players just much more cautious and less adventurous, trying to keep it safe, when playing for their country?

01 Sep 2017 22:02:48
Overrated players expected to offer more than they do.

Look at that team. It's just average. Really is. The players there compared to other couentries is rediculous and ours are compared on the same level.

You look at young players coming through. Sterling and Bernardo. Barkley and asensio. Rashford and mbappe. Ours can't lace there boots.

Yet we talk of them in the same breath and expect the same from them.

We are probably for the foreseeable future a quarter final team. That's about it in any tournament but we are in no way shape or form anything other than that. Oh and that's probably a push.

01 Sep 2017 22:04:04
They don't play enough together and play for different teams who employ different tactics. It reminds me of getting round for a kickabout with your not too close mates every 2 months.

But then you do have Germany. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I recall reading a long time ago about Klinsman helping to push the idea forward of having the German club teams playing a similar style of football that the German national team play. This way tactically its not hard to adapt at International level. Either I read an article along the lines of this or I dreamt it up!

01 Sep 2017 22:30:03
TopBusiness- He's saying international football not just England.

01 Sep 2017 22:33:07
The quality of international football is nothing compared to that of club. I used to watch England just because Obviously I couldn't watch Liverpool but It really doesn't interest me anymore.

02 Sep 2017 00:04:11
Hate internationals, waste of a footy weekend, national teams just dint cut it anymore, shame really.

02 Sep 2017 00:18:43
Does that make what I said any less accurate.

02 Sep 2017 07:58:18
TopBusiness- It might be accurate, although I don't see anyone comparing those players you've mentioned but we are talking about international football on a whole being boring so it's irrelevant.

01 Sep 2017 19:56:13
Why is it that so many are calling AOC average when he has not even featured under Klopp yet?

Many a player has looked average under Wenger.

01 Sep 2017 20:29:42
Yeah, the same manager that has gained top 4, bar last season for years and has spent a hell of a lot less than Liverpool over the same period. Not bad with all those "average" players.

01 Sep 2017 20:34:27
Another utility player to warm the bench.

Grujic and Woodburn need the chances he would be expected to get along with Can.

We can't blame anyone.

You must have heard the story of Grijic's dad stealing his passport to avoid the move to LFC.

Hope if he had wise men advising, he would not have come here to rot.

Good thing is AOC took pay cut to be here which is very rare. Appreciate him for that but fact is he is another avg in our books.

01 Sep 2017 20:55:04
and the same people who wrote off andy robertson before he even played a minute for us, who was man of the match on his debut for us and has just scored a beauty for scotland. I'm not AOC biggest fan but he has indeed been in an underperforming and over relaxed arsenal squad for the last 6 years and i do think that playing for klopp at his boyhood team could see him become a really good squad player for us and not just a benchwarmer. there is undoubtedly ability in him as there is in every top level footballer, its just a matter of getting it out of him.

01 Sep 2017 20:55:42
Irish, you're joking right? Arsenal are a shambles cos now, they actually have to compete with two clubs that they did not have to deal with in the recent past: LFC snd Spurs. Both teams have better players and a better manager than Arsenal and once the going got tough, they have wilted under the challenge. Arsenal is yet to beat both LFC and Spurs since 2015. Why? Cos this is the year that both Klopp and Poch arrived at both clubs. That is no coincidence.

Apart from Sanchez, NO other player (not even Ozil) will start at either clubs and that is down to the job both managers are doing while Arsenal (Le Dictateur as they now call him) is still coaching in the stoneage with bang awful players who couldn't be arsed to run 10 yards during a game or are happy with stealing a living on the bench like Walcott.

01 Sep 2017 21:29:05
I like grujic he needs sum confidence few goals jus too settle down he has quality an could be very important for us in future.

01 Sep 2017 21:29:21
Bingored. I think you will find that Spurs have done pretty well in the league in the "recent past"

Tell me, how many trophies have Poch and Klopp won between them since they joined their teams? Its not too hot even when you add them both together. What i do know is that Arsenal with their one good player (Sanchez) have won 3 trophies in 4 years. Better than us and Spurs with their "average" players.

01 Sep 2017 21:32:54
Can someone knock round for Mr Dennis? He's not on this thread and I fear he's had an accident.

01 Sep 2017 21:38:32
Got to Support the ox now he wears the shirt. my only concern is klopps style destroys players and ox ain't the most durable of players he already has a big injury record i hope its all in the past as we already have enough injurys over last few years.

01 Sep 2017 21:41:33
To be fair, I think Bellerin, Cech, Sanchez and PISSIBLY Monreal (instead of Moreno come on) would get into LFC's side right now. Can't speak for Spurs as I can't stand watching them.

01 Sep 2017 21:54:31
Ballerin looks half the player he did. Monreal is just awful. Robertson's better.
Cech and Sanchez only for me. Wenger success came from when he was only competing with utd. as for cup wins. Gerrard houllier won 5 trophies in a year but failed in the league so went. rafa won a champions league. you can win trophies with a average team. the league goes not lie. Wenger should go for the good of arsenal. do you arsenal fans not realise that every other clubs fans rejoiced when Wenger signed a new contract as it effectively ended their challenge for 2 years.

01 Sep 2017 22:34:20
People need to reign it in, Robertson has played one game against an awful palace side and has now scored against Lithuania and people think he's Ashley Cole!

01 Sep 2017 23:04:17
Exactly Cobra. As soon as he has a bad game, watch the critics on here rip him. He's now being judged as better than Monreal after one game. You couldn't make this sheet up lol.

02 Sep 2017 04:56:52
I think we've had players surprise us before. Many times we've had players that are not extremely talented endear themselves to the fans because of their application and willingness to give their all for the shirt. Effort and determination should never be disregarded and I only hope we get that from AOC.
I distinctly remember how Lucas was slated when he began his Liverpool career, and while he was never the most talented or technically gifted, he worked hard and most of us grew to love him. Personally, I was devastated when he injured his knee against Chelsea, I think it was when Kenny was manager. In the end he had a 10 year LFC career when few gave him a chance to last more than 1 season.

The lesson to be learnt is to be patient and give each new player an opportunity to prove and improve.

02 Sep 2017 16:55:05
Monreal is terrible. not judging Robertson better on basis of one game. Judging it on monreal being a awfully overrated player lol.

02 Sep 2017 23:08:56
Okay mate. I'll take your word for it lol. 😆.

03 Sep 2017 20:10:43
Have you seen him recently.

01 Sep 2017 19:41:53
Just about to watch Malta versus England where is Rooney? If he had continued his England Career he would of been in Malta last night instead of the " Nick" oh well as they say " when one CELL door closes another one opens "

P. S. I heard that when he arrived home this afternoon he went to see Coleen who was in the bedroom with his HANDCUFFS still on and she said its a bit too early for that Wayne?

01 Sep 2017 19:35:58
On the assumption that he isn't sold tonight, can anyone see Coutinho, or Alexis Sanchez for that matter, do a Diego Costa and have an extended break on South America?

01 Sep 2017 21:03:44
I don't see it. Cou is not that type of guy and his team mates love him regardless. Sanchez is diff. as his own team mates want him gone due to his attitude and slagging them off on the pitch with the whole world watching. Costa has a personal issue with Conte and both can't stand each other so that is a lot of male pride going on there. Can't really see a way out for Costa really.

01 Sep 2017 23:26:47
Couts is not that kind of guy? What does he have to add to his recent list of indiscretions to say he is that kind if guy?

01 Sep 2017 19:22:40
I want to be a Liverpool legend and up there with the greats of the club as his nose grew 8 inches-- coutinho after signing his contract.

01 Sep 2017 18:51:52
Can we accept a bid for lil Philly now for the reported £150m, then send Lazar over to Barcelona in Van Dijk's private plane to complete the medical, accept terms and meet the Spanish media etc.

In all honesty though, if we're not going to use Markovic this season, I hope he gets a loan/ permanent move to Spain tonight before their window closes.

01 Sep 2017 18:34:24
Quick question for Ed002 if you're about mate, not entirely Liverpool related but as it's to do with FFP it affects all of us. I know you have explained in depth numerous times but reading fifa to investigate PSG, I was under the impression that the books have to be more or less balanced over a three year period, obviously your knowledge is far greater than mine in this topic but surely if they are investigating on the basis of the neymar signing and the mbappe signing after the loan, their investigation is quite pointless now as they have three years to balance these signings? Apologies if I'm way off the mark and I've missed something, I know how busy you've all been recently so didn't want to waste your time with stupid questions, I just thought if that's the basis of their investigation, they're three years too early?

As always, thanks for your time and all the work all eds put in.

{Ed002's Note - No the books are presented at the end of each season. The three years relates to a rolling three year period during which income provided by the owners can be provided in addition to allowable income the club generates. So the three years is (2015, 2016, 2017), then (2016, 2017, 2018) then (2017, 2018, 2019) etc.. What that means is that a club started this season all square with previous years and go up to the €30M allowed this summer then in 2018 and 2019 they cannot have a deficit.}

The only investigation that FIFA are involved with right now is regarding Barcelona's refusal to pay a bonus fee that is supposedly due to Neymar's father. It was this that the Spanish FA were talking about when the transfer was happening and it is nothing to do with FFP. In terms of the transfer, it is the FFP accounts that FIFA will look to - but they are not due untl next June. By then PSG need to show enough additional income to cover the transfer and the overall wages at the club (which may be more of an issue and they did not sell as many as hoped for this summer). They will look for assured sales by June 30 next summer to eventually avoid possible sanctions (the same was true with a number of sides this year (e.g. Inter and Roma who had the season before been fined and warned for breaches of FFP (as had a number of other sides).

So for PSG the transfer fee problem is going to be eased by additional income - a big boost in the shirt deal is likely, other related commercial deals - and sales. The wages problem is far harder to fix and no doubt they will be worried about that. Mbappe means they go through these hoops again next summer.}

01 Sep 2017 19:07:44
Ed would it be safe to say psg will be looking to ship out a few more in January. Or even today? Is the Spanish window the last major one to close?

{Ed002's Note - The Spanish window is the last major one to close in Europe. They will look to sell in January if they can.}

01 Sep 2017 19:31:37
Thanks Ed, sly sports were reporting that Fifa are looking into it now, that's why I thought I'd ask, much clearer now, cheers mate.

01 Sep 2017 18:15:05
The little twist to come;
I think Real will bid for Coutinho next summer, possibly rivaling Barcelona if they come back in and bid again.
Modric isn't getting any younger, Ronnie Winker isn't getting any younger.
Might well have a bidding war on our hands next summer, either way. this will be Coutinho's last season with LFC.

01 Sep 2017 18:51:31
That's a good shout, OIrish and we all knew Cou would leave us at some point in the future, just not now. I would sell to RM just to screw Barca, IMO.

01 Sep 2017 19:11:20
Whoever bids the highest can have him.
No need to make enemies with Barcelona too.
Yeah they have used some tricks of the transfer trade as usual, "dirty boxing" if you will, but they technically did nothing illegal at all, so all is fair in love and war.
We would still take Van Dijk and we behaved quite a bit worse than Barca.
I'm sure you're aware that Real are no better than Barcelona in their dealings.
The big two always flex when they want someone badly, but as long as they keep it legal, I don't care.

01 Sep 2017 20:53:22
I wish we could add PSG to the mix but unfortunately they've already spent their next years money on Mbappe.

01 Sep 2017 18:08:21
Well it's been almost 24 hours since the window closed and I'm looking for suggestions.

We've only addressed our full back positions with a promising Robertson, an improved Moreno and TAA looking very good. bought in salah ( who looks as useless as mane) and brought one of England's brightest prospects who's still young enough to improve. Oh, also kept our best player of the last couple of years despite huge bids)
( I'm hoping the club sees sense so let's him stay in the reserves for 5 years- otherwise why would they turn down 140mil for him)

So my question is whose house can I can go to and protest outside of and burn effigies of? I need to take this out on the club and FSG cos every error is down to them. The team looks crap and sneaked a lucky win against Arsenal. I'm so depressed I think I should support chelseas or Arsenal looking how they are set up for the season.

01 Sep 2017 18:15:58
Haha. is this post a wind up! 😂.

01 Sep 2017 18:27:15
Statto I think we can safely say it is sarcasm. He's just pointing out how everything is over because we didn't sign one player. Let's forget about this season and all the quality players we have.

01 Sep 2017 18:28:42
I forgot to mention that we have also secured one of the worlds most highly rated upcoming midfielders for next year. Pathetic. FSG Should have offered 300 mil and got him this year. Money grows on trees in most countries.

01 Sep 2017 18:43:35
Brilliant post Swish.

01 Sep 2017 18:54:54
Now, that's sarcasm.

01 Sep 2017 18:55:44
I agree Swish, we messed up and clearly FSG are to blame and need to go ASAP. What could've been our best transfer window ever turned out to be one of the worst.

01 Sep 2017 18:27:15
Statto I think we can safely say it is sarcasm. He's just pointing out how everything is over because we didn't sign one player. Let's forget about this season and all the quality players we have.

01 Sep 2017 20:55:43
i appreciate the sarcasm but bloody hell you must be bored.

02 Sep 2017 06:30:52
Liners, I was bored- of all the moaning about what a terrible window we had. Personally I think we look a much stronger team/ squad than last year and we can't undertestimate the natural improvement we're seeing in some players ( as well as the new signings)

01 Sep 2017 17:41:20
Thanks ed001 and other editors for the great work and ed01 kindly whenever u got time do the review of our signings as well as the whole window
Rhanks and appreciate your work.

{Ed001's Note - I will be doing it as soon as possible I promise and thank you very much Viren.}

01 Sep 2017 17:30:41
If it was in my hands, I would never let Coutinho get back into the team.

Let him fake an injury for the whole season and miss the world cup too.

01 Sep 2017 17:37:33
Yeah! Let' him and his family burn! Hail van dijk for going on strike! Get a grip. He's an amazing player and I guarentee If he goes on to help us win thugs you wouldn't give a hoot.

01 Sep 2017 17:37:45
Yeh let's just keep telling him he's injured 🤕 lol.

01 Sep 2017 17:51:40
I think klopp will pass on that suggestion ninja.
It's up to klopp. I suspect he'll have a conversation with him soon enough.
This has to be coutinhos last season regardless. I suspect he'll have interest if he plays this season which I imagine he will from real mardrid / Barca again or psg (link up with neymar) . I think one or two of them clubs will look to pursue him next season if keeps his head down and performs. Purely guesswork btw . he's still only 25 and is continuing to get better and better.

01 Sep 2017 18:24:50
You know what, he's still young at 25 and probably a bit immature to cope with the situation. After a good chat and Klopp hug, a cheer from the Anfield faithful he'll be right. if he refuses to play then that will be sad on so many levels.

01 Sep 2017 18:28:13
The market is only going to get crazier. He'll be worth £180M next summer. Crazy numbers these days.

01 Sep 2017 18:35:59
If coutinho is here after 12 tonight can we just forget about this. We don't know what has even went on. All sorts of reports now that he faked injury, refused to play, asked to be left out of champions league squad. 100% he has not been an angel but let the club deal with it. We may never know how true any of those rumours are. Klopp had said there was nothing wrong with his attitude (might have changed) and it would be a while until he decided to take him back in. Klopp is a strong manager and I could see him keeping coutinho out even after he says he is ready to play. Take the champions league request. I don't see how that would make a difference. Wouldn't it only be if he played for us in the competition properules he'd be cup tied.

01 Sep 2017 18:56:14
Yeah, how about we don't do that, Ninja?

01 Sep 2017 17:28:12
Gomez playing as a holding midfielder for England U21s, interesting.

01 Sep 2017 18:25:30
He's got the talent and intelligence to play there.

01 Sep 2017 17:03:25
Ed002,
If coutinho doesn't move to Barcelona today could you see Barcelona coming back in for him in January or next summer? I really think he has made his stance clear and can't see a way back for him at liverpool.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona want a player now and are looking at options today. They may be interested next year but there is no guarantee.}

03 Sep 2017 18:37:50
Always baffles me why players want to sign for Barcelona and Madrid, Spanish football is like Scottish football was a few years ago only ever two teams in it such a snooze fest.

01 Sep 2017 16:49:06
Eds, Macca thank you so much for everything over the summer; providing information and most of all putting up with the bipolar fans! I wouldn't know what to do/ believe without this site.

Ed001, please may I make a request for you to watch the odd RBL and Monaco game to give us your two cents on Keita and Lemar. Not a full player profile as I know they take a lot of time for you, just enough to give you an opinion and what we can expect from Keita.

I ask about Lemar too, as Klopp seems to have found his target to replace Coutinho and as we've seen over the summer, once he's found his target, he doesn't want an alternative.

If he does proceed with Lemar, I only hope he's had a slap on the wrists and a deal can be reached legally with Monaco.

Let's enjoy this season together boys, we're already playing some great footy!

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I will be doing so as I have been asked to do player profiles on them both.}

01 Sep 2017 16:50:14
Ed2,

Assuming Coutinho is still an LFC player after today do you think he'd refuse to play for us again when he returns to England? Unfortunately I can see this happening, as I'm still surprised he.

{Ed002's Note - I suffers from a problem with his back so we will have to see when he makes himself available.}

01 Sep 2017 17:28:53
Apparently it only comes on in the cold English weather though Ed. Playing in the warm South American climate doesn't seem to bother him. Either that or the Western Union logo on our sleeve is so big it puts pressure on his lumbar region. You have to feel for the lad really.

01 Sep 2017 16:41:56
Would have been good to get VVD signed up but hopefully the club and Klopp will learn from this fiasco. Overall not a bad window, added some good quality depth to the squad and look better covered in most positions. Good healthy competition for places now so will bring the best out of all the players. I know a lot on here want Phil coutinho gone but that's not going to happen now and I for one am glad. I feel he will be really up for it this season so he can show Barcelona how good he is so he can get his move next summer. I think he will have his best season this year. He will be some what match fit when he gets back from Brazil which is a plus and I think he'll be on the bench for city game and probably get 30 mins depending on how the game is going. Klopp and couts will kiss and make up and all will be fine again and back to business as usual. Think we have a squad that will push for the title this year and a good run in the 3 cups. Yes the defending can be cringeworthy at times but if we can sort out set plays better we will be fine. Will score loads and probably batter a few on the way like we did to arsenal. Yes we would of liked more players in but it is what it is and we have to accept it and get on with backing the players and manager come match days. Chin up folks, it might just be our year😏.

01 Sep 2017 16:11:01
Bit of a left field question and perhaps one for Ed002, but if a situation like with Neymar were to arise while the transfer window were closed, could the player sign for another club (as I see it, Neymar was a free agent, at least for a few minutes there? )? Or is that an incorrect interpretation?

{Ed002's Note - Neymar was not a free agent. His registration was held by Barcelona and then transfered to PSG. And I don't really get the question.}

01 Sep 2017 16:42:13
Eds I don't know but I think he's asking about signing free agents? I know they have an extended deadline but there is still a deadline? Or am I wrong?

{Ed002's Note - If they are free agents (and were during the transfer window) then they can be signed at any time. I am not aware of Liverpool looking to buy any free agents though there are plenty out there still - Joe Ledley springs to mind, Kieran Richardson if Klopp still wants another left back, Joleon Lescott to resolve the centre back concerns, Ross Turnbull in goal. Lots of options.}

01 Sep 2017 16:45:48
On the same subject ed why didn't Barcelona just say sorry that's not legally binding because you're in a different country i. e. The release clause or buy out or termination or whatever the correct term is. Barcelona say they wanted to keep him yet they didn't have to do the deal.

{Ed002's Note - Because Barcelona had an agreement to make him available if anyone offered the full fee. The player wanted to go but he was not without a contract.}

01 Sep 2017 17:36:24
Sorry, Ed002, I wasn't sure how that worked so just trying to understand it all. If the player in La Liga has to buy themselves out, are they not a free agent in some respects, even if just for a few minutes? It seems weird the registration would transfer directly from say Barcelona to PSG given the player is the one providing the money. Maybe I'm making this more complicated then it really is.

Maybe a better example- let's say Adidas gives Messi some amount that matches his buyout with the intention that he joins an Adidas-sponsored club rather than one wearing Nike. Messi then uses that money to buy himself out. Would he then be a free agent? And if so, could he not somewhat transfer in this sense at anytime?

I realize it's a lot of weird hypotheticals, but it seems the word of transfers is changing a bit.

{Ed002's Note - No, it doesn't work like that. The registration passes between clubs. The involvement of the player is to avoid an issue with Spanish tax law - nothing else. The player does not provide the money - the buying club provides the money and deposit it with the Spanish FA (with the player having to provide permission and assurances about about monies owed to him).

Adidas are not allowed to become the owner of a player or to pay a player in order to control what happens in his career - that is illegal in most countries under FIFA rules. As I said, the registration passes between clubs and the clubs have to be associated with a Football Association with which the player is registered. His registration has to pass between football clubs - e.g. Barcelona to Liverpool, and not via Adidas. There are very strict rules about anything that would allow any third party to acquire the ability to influence employment and transfer-related matters. So it can't happen.}

01 Sep 2017 18:04:10
Got it. Thank you very much, appreciate the very thorough explanation!

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

01 Sep 2017 16:23:18
So the big question is what next for Coutinho? Some fans saying he should rot in the reserves but that won't happen, this isn't a sakho situation, a club doesn't refuse to sell a player and then refuse to play them. So what happens?

The first part is up to the player, will he sulk or will be get back to work? I'd be pissed if it was the former, at the very least he should be professional. If he is available then he doesn't make the team for city, maybe an unused substitute, see how the crowd respond to him. From there a slow reintegration based on his commitment and performances. Hopefully he'll play a major role this season, we have a much better chance of the title of he does.

01 Sep 2017 16:28:22
I wonder if he might go in January.

01 Sep 2017 16:33:45
no matter how he reacts he may have to buy himself a cushion and sit on the bench for awhile the team have been doing ok without him. if he wants to walk round with a gob on him an sulk he's got to live with his own actions.

01 Sep 2017 16:50:31
Waste of a place on the bench, stands for Pipco. Training with the youths. Subs bench for the u23's.

01 Sep 2017 17:53:45
So you have answered your own question!?

01 Sep 2017 17:55:47
Yeah mr Dennis! That will drive the club so well' let's teach him a lesson and pat on ourselves on the back for turning down all that cash to keep him in the under 23's.!

01 Sep 2017 16:04:23
Question for ed001,

I know a lot of fans would have liked o keep sakho, personally I'm glad he's gone, but was wondering what ed001's thoughts were on him as a player?

{Ed001's Note - as a player he was a decent defender, much better on the ball than he looked, but his heading scared me, as you never knew where the ball would go and he did tend to get caught out positionally in a higher line. Overall I am just glad he is gone as I want players who make an effort to earn a place in the team, rather than be all sly and half arsed in training but talk up their love for the club on social media to pretend they actually care. If you truly care, you show it by making an effort in training and, if you get picked, during matches.}

01 Sep 2017 15:44:13
Eds and Macca thank you so much for your insight on all of things Liverpool over the transfer window and beyond. Its without doubt the best site for credible information. Keep up the great work.

{Ed001's Note - thank you MR.}

01 Sep 2017 15:39:49
Ed002
Sine the Spanish closing date is tonight, can they only transfer within their own country or can they take players from other countries.

Might sound like a silly question but had to ask as there’s obviously a few still around fearing for Couthino leaving.
Think I already know the answer but thought it best to ask yourself as you would know best.

Cheers in advance 🙂.

{Ed002's Note - From anywhere.}

01 Sep 2017 15:54:51
I believe the key is, they can still register players.

01 Sep 2017 16:10:50
Thanks Ed

With Ox coming in is it still 50/ 50 we accept a late bid or do you think it's more likely Couts stays now?

01 Sep 2017 16:10:50
Thanks Ed

With Ox coming in is it still 50/ 50 we accept a late bid or do you think it's more likely Couts stays now?

{Ed002's Note - I am sure he will be forced to stay now with Barcelona looking elsewhere now.}

01 Sep 2017 16:45:32
Semms Barcelona have turned to Dani Parejo as an alternative and the fans don't seem very happy about it.

01 Sep 2017 16:52:00
Oh well, unlucky Barcelona fans.

01 Sep 2017 15:34:01
Didn't take Rooney long fitting back into Merseyside, 1 month an a criminal record.

01 Sep 2017 15:48:46
And driving a black vw beetle 🤣🤣.

01 Sep 2017 15:54:20
Did you even think this post through? Posting a joke which stereotypes Scousers on a Liverpool FC fan forum?

This is some proper Thatcherite crap. There is more crime in London or Birmingham than up North.

01 Sep 2017 16:08:00
The only difference is this time he was caught by an lfc fan.

01 Sep 2017 16:15:09
There are idiots everywhere
Matt in FL.

01 Sep 2017 16:16:29
Actually he lives in Cheshire benny.

01 Sep 2017 16:21:14
And Milton Keynes.

01 Sep 2017 16:33:32
Wouldn't surprise me Reaper. Although i moved away to Northampton haha. I just can't be bothered to change my name!

01 Sep 2017 16:47:53
Wow mk. Un bunch those panties. Scousers actually have a sense of humour, apparently those from the East Midlands don't 🙈🤦🏼‍♂️.

01 Sep 2017 20:12:37
I'm from MK benny, I like to think I can have a laugh?!

01 Sep 2017 14:46:35
I don't get why everyone is doom and gloom ok we didn't get all the names that were being mentioned but what team did a bigger plus for me is players are wanting to play for us and turning down other premier league teams offering higher wages.

01 Sep 2017 16:26:53
Cold light of day we signed Naby Keita. I'm happy with that. In fact if that's not a reason to be cheerful you may as well give up.

01 Sep 2017 14:29:11
Our backline and keeper are going to concede some poor goals this season but we have a very good midfield and excellent attackers. We'll be entertaining for sure and play some great football.
Yes I'm disappointed we didn't sign van dijk or an alternative but hopefully we stay close to the top of the league by January and who knows? We may sign van dijk or someonelse.
Theres lots to look forward to this season. Plus we have some outstanding prospects that will no doubt shine. Taa, gomez and solanke the stand Outs. I'm sure we'll also see a lot more of grujic.

01 Sep 2017 14:49:49
Well. one thing for sure, it will be entertaining. From a 3-3 draw to Watford to a 4-3 loss against Bournemouth and a 5-4 win against Norwich. A game fill with mixture of happiness, joy of our att players to anger and frustrated with our incompetent defence and goalkeeper.

01 Sep 2017 15:40:29
If we're talking defense, I think Robertson will make a difference at LB as even if he's essentially an attacking player he seems more composed, and I like Gomez and TAA at RB. Matip is decent at RCB and while Lovren obviously prone to mistakes, with a better LB and a better GK go organize the defense I actually think we're going to be OK. Not brilliant but it's hardly the end of the world.

Not ideal we didn't get VVD but would rather we're patient and have a go in Jan than panic buy now.

01 Sep 2017 14:23:31
Can anyone explain what actually happened Y-day?
No club statement. No nothing. Just silence.

Im so deflated its unreal. And now Couts is crying in the arms of Neymar and Willian when he scored for Brazil.
Have we seriously been that bad, to the point he has to cry?
Let him go, I don't want LFC to make a statement by keeping a guy whose literally crying to leave.
Its embarrassing.

{Ed002's Note - What would you expect the club to make a statement about?}

01 Sep 2017 14:41:53
Reassurance?
Ive been a supporter of the club 17 years now.
I know how they work now but i hoped for something.
As to why some deals didn't go through. I don't know ☹.

01 Sep 2017 15:04:14
Chin up pal we have a fine squad.

01 Sep 2017 15:10:40
Ridiculous to think the club should have made any communication, do any clubs hold a press conference at the end of the transfer window?
The only thing embarrassing in any if this is Coutinho's conduct in trying to force this move.

01 sep 2017 15:14:37
ffs.
coutinho crying, fu@#$ng grow up.

well done fsg. and by the same principle, well done southampton,
rbl, chelsea etc. for putting their own clubs and fans interests before big money offers and and fu@#$g agents who are ruining the game.

if you are lucky enough for a club to sign you for 5 years that means they intend to build a team around you. the agent that handles your contract should be tied by contract as well.

we didn't get the players we wanted because they were not available.

if they were they would be with us now.

playerpower has just hit a wall so coutts should strap on a pair; put his head down and eaen the huge salary that he signed to receiive for rhe next 5 years.

f@#k barca.

01 Sep 2017 15:32:52
Lfcder, Many players will learn a lesson from this! They will think twice before messing with their clubs.

{Ed002's Note - If anyone should learn a lesson it is Liverpool. They did not get away with their cheating.}

01 Sep 2017 15:34:44
Interesting read in the independent today about Pep Segura and John Henry in this couts saga. Alludes that Henry was personally involved and no way he wanted to sell to this guy. The other thing that irks me, if true, is how the supposed last offer was structured; 16m up front plus same for following 4 seasons and largely i achievable add ons. Throw in the supposed pay cut couts was taking and it begs the question "who do these guys think they r? " The perceived arrogance they've displayed through this whole thing is disgusting. One last tidbit: couts signed a short term lease on his home even tho he signed a five year deal.

02 Sep 2017 00:35:13
Thats true Ed. The club have to play by the rules.

One other question please Ed.

Should PSG have had to ask Barca's permission before being able to talk to Neymar? the same query applies to all of the transfers that went through where the selling clubs were reluctant?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, unless the player has been given permission to talk with other clubs (liek Sakho).}

01 Sep 2017 14:17:23
Just watched Arsenal game again. All 4 goals were counter attacks. We are tailor made for hitting teams on the break especially Ones as unorganised as Arsenal.

Let's hope we can start to unlock the defences of the lesser teams and manage games better than we did last season. Lost count of the amount of times we scored first during the last 2 seasons. Let's hope Klopp can use the stronger bench to effect games late on so we can stop dropping stupid points.

The squad is not perfect but it's heading in the right direction . Let support the team, hope for a bit and luck and who knows how far we can go.

Thanks to Eds and Macca 😝👌🏻.

01 Sep 2017 15:36:08
You can only beat what's in front of you Redroon, it was clearly the best strategy in that game. Don't forget we got a nice 1-0 against Palace the week before, a game we might have drawn. 3 games and 2 clean sheets is not a bad return, and while Arsenal didn't exactly help themselves the other day, from being there I think we forced them into that performance.

01 Sep 2017 12:01:32
Ed02,

I salute you sir. Amongst all the ITK's and twitter CEO's and the rest of the absolute tosh that's been spouted all summer, you were pretty much right through it all.

I'm glad it's over, what an absolute shambles.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks - I think Liverpool did pretty good - although I still don't get AOC.}

01 Sep 2017 15:36:26
He Ed, do you know Klopp's justification for AOC? I think he has potential I am just curious as to how Klopp become interested.

{Ed002's Note - Nope.}

01 Sep 2017 14:00:40
Can people get over the fact that we did not sign a CB?

Would VVD even have been the answer to our defenisve issues?

Klopp likes his Liverpool team to play attacking football. We have 2 clean sheets out of 3 matches so far this season.

Some saying our season has gone up in flames because we did not get a CB. I mean seriously, please get a grip.

Maybe our current defenders need to concentrate a bit better at set pieces and defend as a unit.

If we continue to keep up the performances like we saw when we completely thrashed Arsenal then we will become one of the most difficult teams to beat.

01 Sep 2017 14:10:24
Get over what
We clearly needed strengthening in that dept
Look at Lovren and Matip absences through injury last season
2 injuries to CB at same time and we are well and truly up the creek.

01 Sep 2017 14:15:25
I agree that there's been an overreaction, but we do need improving there.

We have kept clean sheets in 2 games. You miss out the fact that it's against the worst arsenal team I think most of us have ever seen in the premiership and a palace side that hasn't scored in any of their games.

We conceded 3 over 2 legs against an average Hoffenheim and 3 in 1 game against an average Watford side.

Do I think our season is over because we didn't buy one? No, absolutely not.

Do I think it will hinder us challenging right at the top in the 2 major competitions, yes.

01 Sep 2017 14:24:57
Does it really matter how many goals we conceded?

I would rather see us continue playing mind blowing football and hopefully our defending at set pieces will improve.

It is set pieces that is our biggest weakness so Klopp needs to find a solution with our current crop of defenders and it is not impossible.

01 Sep 2017 14:31:54
I think people need to separate the need to improve there, which is clearly seen, from the need to just buy someone to be seen to be doing something. No point buying another CB who doesn't improve things because they were available. Also improving in that area isn't limited to just buying, developing the ones we have and improving the system to provide stronger defence are both ways of improving. Ultimately just buying someone for the sake of it won't solve things either. And people do seem to forget this isn't a game, it is real life and players aren't just for sale or willing to sign.

01 Sep 2017 14:38:14
Watch the Watford game again Max and tell me we don't need to improve the centre halves. We blew the best chance of winning the league under BR because we couldn't and still can't defend, nothing has changed.

If it's possible and you may already do, get yourself to a home game and feel the tension everytime the opposition gets a corner or a free kick near our penalty area.

01 Sep 2017 14:52:12
Thing is looking at the Watford goals, there was a similar one conceded late last season where Can, playing CM, was the one who let the player go and score from the set piece, that wasn't down to the keeper or the CBs. If the stupid, easy goals from set pieces were worked out the difference in results would be massive, again that doesn't rely on just CBs and keeper, the team as a whole needs to defend more effectively. Switching off seems to be a problem across the board.

01 Sep 2017 15:39:51
Spot on, Freshst. People just think that with a new CB, our players will stop having brain farts and suddenly start tracking runners from deep during set pieces or Migs will suddenly stop flapping at crosses being indecisive and putting the fear of God into his defence cos no one knows what he will do. If only players were more accountable and we had more leaders in the team, these silly goals won't be happening. A new CB would help BUT would not fix everything. Clearly, that is too complicated to understand as many people just think there is a simple solution to everything. City have spent 200m on CB's but they are still crap defensively so spending is not the ONLY answer, clearly.

01 Sep 2017 13:33:17
Personally I think we was given encouragement that we could sign VVD from Southampton but they pulled the plug late on to basically get back at us, hence why no bid was made.

01 Sep 2017 13:46:26
Probably right KMAC. Le tissier has annoyed me with his cheeky tweets. Laughing at Liverpool. I feel like "keep laughing matt, you've missed out on £70.000.000 for an injured defender. How long do you think you can keep hold of him? And BTW, we have all your best players! "

01 Sep 2017 13:52:27
they have cut their nose off to spit us i no its are fault but now let them get him match fit he hasn't played for 7 months had no pre season and his head won't be right.

01 Sep 2017 14:35:06
Don't know why people are surprised by Le Tissier's view, he was always into the big fish, small pond world so why wouldn't he be against players moving to bigger clubs?

01 Sep 2017 14:39:11
KMAC, Ed02 has given more info which may explain as to why Saints would never sell to us. You may consult him/ her for this information. I don't think it has anything to do with any thing to do with Saints playing games with us.

01 Sep 2017 13:16:21
Message to eds and macca:
Thanks for all the hard work and patience lads.
Macca; in your last post you apologised. Nothing to apologise for. Thank you.

You've all been fantastic.

01 Sep 2017 13:28:31
He has nothing to apologise for, he got Keita right. The club go van Dijk wrong.

01 Sep 2017 13:49:25
All the targets where spot on, we just messed around once again and had no real alternatives. I don't know how to feel about that window, I think in terms of defensive reinforcements it's a failure but offensively it was pretty decent especially since we kept couts. So for me it's as you where basically. We'll continue to be a force going forward but a shambles at the back at times.

01 Sep 2017 14:59:02
Macca pls, do not ever apologize for anything you say/ said or not say/ said on this forum again. EVER!

01 Sep 2017 13:05:58
Hi Eds macca and fellow reds even if a lot of you are depressing to listen to, I think it's been a very good window and start to the season, with PC handing in transfer request and drawing our first game we've definitely got more to be happy about since then, champs league and a good start to the season good signings and a in general the feel good factor is there, we should be thanking fsg because they've done great for the club so far, bigger stadium plans to move training facilities etc, we've a top manager at the club that wants to be here and be successful long term, and who I think has done great in the signings he made even the ones we messed up or missed out on it's still moving in the right direction looking to buy players that make us stronger, if we missed out on top targets we didn't just settle for less and waste money that has been done for years at lfc, I think this year we have seen progress on and off the field so far with good players been added ox salah Robertson solanke and the naby deal sorted before others came in for him, we are now attracting top players to the club again and playing attacking exciting football, we've progressed I feel to be be a lot stronger in top 4 this season compared to Chelsea arsenal and mabye Spurs who I think will all struggle to be better than last season, so we should be looking forward to this season more than we have in the last few years.

01 Sep 2017 13:31:42
I'd have to agree with everything you've said. I always feel optimistic at the beginning of a new season but this year I feel more optimistic than usual. We have some brilliant additions and I'm grateful to FSG for spending and getting behind the manager. Keeping hold of coutinio is a good bit of business and if I had a choice of pc or vvd I'd choose Phil I think. Looking forward to seeing the ox in a liverpool shirt (and looking forward to see where he will play) I feel like last seasons questions about depth have been well addressed and we have a very good chance of finishing in that top 4, if not No1.

Cheers to the eds for their patience.

01 Sep 2017 15:13:22
Love your posts, Super and NotlDK. I am more than excited this season cos not only have we beefed up the squad in almost all the areas bar CB, we are ahead of where we were at this stage last season with more goals scored, more points, less goals concede and more clean sheets. Oh, we are also in the CL proper with a very good group. And we have Keita coming in next season too. Happy Days!

Klopp has done a great job as we are way better than we were when we arrived on and off the pitch and FSG have backed him to the hilt esp. with the Cou issue as the decision is Klopp's and his alone. Cou will be dealt with in-house so I'm not worried about that and neither are the players as they have gone about their business very well. On to City.

01 Sep 2017 13:00:55
Regarding our transfer success did it really matter that we got champions league.

01 Sep 2017 13:29:27
No. This year and the year after is important though.

We did sign keita and that wouldn't of happened with Europa league.

We have to consolidate our position now and be a cl team. Semi final after semi final minimum.

Qualifying for one campaign doesn't make you a top team again, same as a boxer winning one fight. You have to keep winning and keep winning.

Mayweather has 50 and no loses and even some people don't call him the greatest. It's all opinion and players have those opin8ons aswel.

All we can do is keep being successful. It won't convince every player but a lot will see that they can achieve with us.

Vvd was fighting to get to us over others so the success can be seen. Just make sure people know it wasn't a fluke like the last times we have had moderately good seasons.

Couple of trophies and top 4 is a minimum now.

01 Sep 2017 13:32:52
Of course. Would kieta have agreed to sign if we weren't?

01 Sep 2017 14:04:58
A couple of trophies minimum? One trophy would be great. I'd rather we qualified for next year's ucl and put in a decent showing in this year's. I think the kids will get a chance in the league cup and maybe F. A cup. Personally I'm not that bothered about the two domestic cups.

United and city are our biggest competition this year although write off spurs and Chelsea at your peril. I also think Arsenal fans should sort their nuts out. Defeat to liverpool at anfield and it's the end of the world! They will be pushing for top four, make no mistake about that. Truth be told I think finishing in top four will be easier this year than it was last year. Spurs and arsenal don't look as strong for whatever reason.

01 Sep 2017 15:02:08
I honestly think getting UCL in this country is very, very hard, so achieving that constantly for the next few seasons would be a major achievement in itself. The other thing is, we failed to win the league, narrowly, on a couple of pretty weak seasons for the other clubs, that will possibly happen again in the next few seasons and the club needs to be able to take advantage of that this time round.

01 Sep 2017 15:16:46
Spot on, TB. We need to kick on and continue to move in the right direction with what he have achieved since Klopp arrived. We need to be a true CL team every season andf build from there and hopefully, the title will appear at Anfield BUT we have to learn how to win on a consistent basis first. There will be difficult days for sure and this is where we have to hang together and not turn on each other with negativity and finger-pointing.

01 Sep 2017 15:21:56
You think we should aim and win the carling cup and fa cup?

We should be in both of those finals. That's a minimum.

That's where we should be aiming. Not a lot of people take the darling seriously and we should take advantage of that. As for the fa cup well that's where we have to be at the end of the season. Top 4, had a good run in the cl and a final.

That's Liverpool.

United managed two with a worse team than we ha e now.

01 Sep 2017 12:56:24
'COUTINHO LIVING IN SADNESS'

Neymar has revealed Philippe Coutinho is living in “great sadness” at the moment amid links with Barcelona.

The Catalan giants are keen to add Coutinho to their ranks but Liverpool have rebuffed all of their offers.

Speaking after Coutinho scored for Brazil last night, Neymar said: "I'm very happy that he scored a goal because at this moment he lives a very great sadness.

"He helped us to the victory. He's a great player and did very well when he came on. "

PMSL 😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏.

01 Sep 2017 13:36:26
Lives with great sadness? Go put your debit card in the machine Phil. Should cheer you up!

01 Sep 2017 14:07:13
Yeah I read that - utter tosh!

He'd get more respect from the fans if he just came out and said he wanted to go instead of getting his friends and family to do so!

It's pathetic really.

01 Sep 2017 12:38:45
Maybe this could mean Joe Gomes getting a chance and stepping up Ed.

01 Sep 2017 12:14:29
Ahead of the new season, I wanted to express my sincere thanks to all the Eds (particularly Eds 001,002,007,025 and 033) for all the hard selfless work they do. It was an exciting season and a crazy summer. This is a thriving global community, and it's a great pleasure to be part of it. (But I still want a "kiddies corner" for certain posts and posters. Does anyone use the word nincompoop anymore? "The nincompoop pit" sounds really good. Three bans and all your posts automatically go into the pit. And then you have to grovel and plead with Ed002 to be let back in to the main page. 😁)

{Ed001's Note - nice thinking ra!}

01 Sep 2017 12:37:36
Please, make Harry the Editor for the nincompoop pit Ed001 😂.

{Ed001's Note - he will be the main contributor.}

01 Sep 2017 13:09:11
The Harry and friends page? 😂.

01 Sep 2017 12:03:51
I know we all would've liked VVD but look at some positives:
Kent and origi look to have good loans
Full back and wide positions strengthened
Keita for next year
Players actually want to join us.

Let's hope for an injury free international break and then hammer City and send a warning!

01 Sep 2017 12:29:49
Yeah, I think if we have a good season it sets us up well for next summer, hopefully if Coutinho does stay he'll apologise and knuckle down for the team, we'll have time to properly look for CBs and Coutinho's replacement. Next year I guess we'll be able to have the squad as we really want it (unless there are more outgoings) so hopefully we'll be able to do better than this year (so nailed on for the quadruple! ) .

01 Sep 2017 12:40:38
All is good at LFC. Yeah Klopp made a mess of the VVD transfer but hopefully we'll get him in Jan or next Summer. Solid signings have been made and we got our main transfer target for next year. And it looks like we have kept our best player. TAA, Matip, Gomes and Robertson will be cracking back 4. We are contenders this year.

01 Sep 2017 11:41:47
Thanks Macca. Agree i think we massively let VVD down. We've messed him and subsequently Southampton (again) about due to our behaviour. I really hope we go back in for him even during January. But if you believe in Karma we got what we desreved i. e. Coutinho an unhappy player who wanted to leave to go to a bigger club.

01 Sep 2017 11:02:35
Sorry if this has been asked ed, but does origi have a future with us after his loan?
I know chances could of been hard to come by this season, but I thought he was a good player.

{Ed001's Note - depends on how he gets on.}

01 Sep 2017 16:12:59
I hope he has a future still esp. if Studge won't be kept next season. I love him as a player and feel we may give up on him too early.

01 Sep 2017 11:02:31
oh well, lack of a CB signing means the treble is now beyond us,

I soppose another double will have to do.

Get behind them or get off: #YNWA.

01 Sep 2017 10:57:24
Positives reds

AOC will add more pace to the side. I think he'll flourish under Klopp and he's with his mates, Hendo, Studge and Lallana. Expect him to be bang up for it.

Keita signed for next summer. What a player he looks like turning out to be.

Origi Wolfsburg loan for £6 million. That's great business plus they pay all his wages.

Salah speaks for himself

Solanke looks good.

TAA and Gomez have all the makings of great wing backs.

Morenos second coming. Such a hard worker.

Robertson looks good. Really fitting in at left back. Good challenge for him and Moreno

Coutinho staying. He's a great player. He needs to get his head down and work.

They only negative would be no one signed at CB. However Gomez could be the answer there until we can reinforce in Jan perhaps.

01 Sep 2017 11:48:00
VvD hasn't played since Jan. He hasn't had a pre season. If we had signed him he probably would need 2 months to get up to speed. If we can get him in January I don't think it would disadvantage us too much.

01 Sep 2017 10:31:19
Cheers for all the work eds, not easy at all I can imagine.

01 Sep 2017 10:24:48
I know he won't be with us until next season, but I'm still esatatic with the Keita signing!

By the way, did anyone see his international goal yesterday?! Jeezze 😃😃 I can't wait'.

01 Sep 2017 10:40:56
Just seen it! Love the way the ball just seems to stick to his feet and he glides past players as if they weren't there. Can't wait.

01 Sep 2017 10:56:41
nice to know that we have a ready made replacement coming in if Can does decide to leave.

Really happy with the window actually and don't feel like we have huge amounts of work to do in the next couple of windows now, just a CB and we're fine.

Kieta will be good fun when he joins though!

01 Sep 2017 16:19:44
And FSG and Klopp should be congratulated for getting that deal done BUT all they seem to get is pathetic abuse cos they did not sign x or y player.

01 Sep 2017 10:09:43
Such as shame we couldn't recruit a solid CB this window to improve on the lads at the back. Could prove very costly if we continue to have the calamities in defense we've all seen for far too long now.

I do however think when all is said and done that football has changed dramatically over the last decade and with the exception of Serie A, there aren't many of the more traditional type CB's out there anymore. So aside from our failed approach for VVD, who could we have realistically brought in that would be a significant improvement on what's already in place?

With Can and Coutinho still with us and the addition of AOC, are we likely to see Can used back in the CB position?

01 Sep 2017 10:16:25
No, we aren't, he is not a CB.

We also won't see AOC playing in goal, just to clear that up, in case there was any confusion. Oh and Moreno won't be Manager either.

01 Sep 2017 10:22:24
GF, Can is useless at CB as that experiment failed miserably under BR so why do that again when we have a true CB in Gomez ready to go? Also, Ed01 has sad that class CB's are very rare these days hence, teams who have them don't wanna sell and those who need them have to either pay up or improvise. City have spent near 200m on CB's alone and they are still crap defensively. Klopp wanted VVD and since he messed it up all on his own, Saints wouldn't sell at any price to anyone. What can you do? Klopp wanted VVD or nobody and I like that as we will not just settle for a warm body at CB. Now we will have to continue with improving those we have at the club now who mind you, have kept 7 clea sheets in the last 9 games in the PL BUT if people wanna go on and on about it then so be it.

01 Sep 2017 10:00:06
Here goes I'm just going To come out and ask it.
Ed001 do you think lfc will sell P. Coutinho to Barcelona before the deadline in Spain tonight?

{Ed001's Note - no, as we did not get a like for like replacement, I think we will refuse to let him go this summer.}

01 Sep 2017 10:21:48
Wow. I was actually hoping that we will sell him tonight.

01 Sep 2017 10:25:13
Smart move, Ed. Selling him w/ o a replacement is like screwing yourself twice over. Besides, Neymar just said that Cou would not regret not joining Barcelona anyway. Make of that what you will.

{Ed001's Note - Neymar has actually very publicly spent the last few days telling Coutinho not to go to Barca.}

01 Sep 2017 10:26:24
Cheers ed001, I'm not sure how many times I've hit the refresh button or went through the pages not only on this rumour site but all your other prem clubs and European section but I'm sure along with the millions of visitors you guys get on these sites you guys have been kept extremely busy. Many thanks to you and all the other eds who help us out, even ed25 and ed002 who let's say. can divide opinion. 🤣.

{Ed001's Note - it has been extremely busy!}

01 Sep 2017 10:43:55
Do you feel like Coutinho is listening to Neymar ed?

{Ed001's Note - not right now, no. This is one of those situations where someone has got it in their head they want to do something and will not listen to anyone else. He will have plenty of time to regret the decision afterwards anyway.}

01 Sep 2017 09:58:16
Eds . can i ask, with the uk tranfer window closed can a deal be done say from spain whos window is still open that would include cash and player? Or would the player not be able to sign?

{Ed001's Note - we can not register anyone to play for us now until January.}

01 Sep 2017 09:50:46
Hi eds and all,

Since the Spanish window only shuts today, could it be that;

Lemar and VVD deals are signed but NOT announced, subject to and contingent upon Coutinho deal going through between Barcelona and Liverpool?

If Do deal between Barca/ Liverpool then the other are invalid

Am not a contractual expert, but no one from LFC has yet shut the window in public, so perhaps not dead yet?

Above probably very unlikely contractually and impossible to keep from media.

Whatever the case is, let's remember all the positives we have going on, but lack of Upgrade on CB position is disappointing.

As in NFL. offense wins games but defense wins the title!

{Ed001's Note - no.}

01 Sep 2017 09:45:19
Hi eds/ ITK's, just a question for u all, is there anyone around with adequate knowledge to basically disect all that went down yesterday, in terms of who if anyone we held talks with, what were the issues etc? Overall I'm happy with the business we've conducted, would have loved Lemar but let's face it he was hardly a necessity, let's just hope no new cb doesn't come back to haunt us! Happy we can all get back to simply supporting the club now, onwards and upwards boys! YNWA.

01 Sep 2017 09:40:04
Well I'm happy how our window went in all fairness
Salah will be a top signing
Ox is a great addition to the squad and will more than likely over take Milner
Robertson will come good
Solanke bags of potential and we will see that when the cup games arrive
Keita for next season - love it, great player shame about it being 12months off but if we would of tried to sign him next season it would of been more difficult
Regarding coutinho, I hope he goes for stupid money and we invest that in January

Vvd - wasn't expecting him so not really bothered

Onwards and upwards.

01 Sep 2017 10:35:34
Great assessment, KMAC. Our window was very good and we are way better than we were when Klopp arrived and that should be the standard.

01 Sep 2017 09:04:49
So uhh transfer window over is it, when's the next one? January? Oh damn, guess I better uhh go back to normal life heh? I mean how long can I stall this post till it's January, is it January yet? Umm guys please help.

01 Sep 2017 08:41:13
Well that was a huge build up for nothing :0)

I guess today though we may see Markovic and Couts go to Spain. I do think that keeping him now though would be the difference between a title challenging team and a top 4 team.

01 Sep 2017 09:24:34
I can't even wish him to flop at Barcelona 😔😔. He is so kuch class and quality. We do need to recruit some Brazilians. They work their way up to the table by sheer hard work and quality.

01 Sep 2017 09:37:19
Maybe.

01 Sep 2017 10:44:26
Cou is going nowhere without a replacement. That would make no football sense.

01 Sep 2017 08:36:26
Eds and all thank you for all your hard work. Can I ask has Markovic left or not?

{Ed001's Note - still here, though Spain's window is still open.}

01 Sep 2017 08:29:36
A plea for perspective - I think the most important thing to come from the window is a significant shift in our status, the days of losing the likes of Willian and Sanchez could be over.

Van Dijk chose us over Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal and would already be playing for us if Blackpoolgate hadn't happened. A lesson hopefully learned. Lemar rejected Arsenal (and hence 'London') because he wanted to play for LFC. Keita will join us next year despite strong interest from others and was willing to commit now than wait what happens when the release fee could be triggered. AOC rejected huge offers from Chelsea and Arsenal to come here - let's support him with the passion he's already shown us. Solanke chose joining us over staying at Chelsea - this coup will only see its true value in a few years but I am excited at the player he could turn out to be. That speaks volumes.

So what about Phil wanting to leave, let's be pragmatic about that. As for Can, we hope he signs, if not we move on. If he's nt signing very soon then I can't see when, I'd imagine Juve or maybe Bayern may come sniffing in January on a pre-contract. But the future is great - TAA, Gomez, Kent, Woodburn, Ward will be hovering around the first team and are already getting some opportunities. Not sure how often Grujic will play but it's a long season. Can and Phil will be replaced if necessary and apart from a CB all looks very promising. Full backs sorted, plenty of midfield choices and if Sturridge can stay fit and Ings can slowly be reintegrated we'll have no problems covering for Firmino. Our season won't break down if Mane or Salah get injured but it would obviously have an effect but there is much to be optimistic about.

YNWA.

01 Sep 2017 08:49:38
Coutinho needs to do some serious apologising to all and sundry for his actions to even be considered back in the fold.

I do think the club need to work hard to get Can to sign as it is clear that he is developing into a top class footballer and we need to show him that he will be rewarded as such and he can realise his ambitions here.

Do any of the Eds know what specific sticking points there are over his contract (or is it a RTFP case? ) .

{Ed001's Note - he wanted more guarantees over his situation, which he has not been given, nor will he get. There were no issues other than he felt he was being phased out by the club.}

01 Sep 2017 08:50:29
My 2 issues about the VVD situation are, 1 everyone assumes Southampton would ever sell him and 2 would he have been more interested in LFC than others without the tapping up. I get the impression it has become a very complicated mess and I do understand the possibility the club wasn't going to bid unless Soton accepted a bid from someone else first. Ultimately the club has to stop the illegal or even dubious approaches and play straight down the line from now.

I do agree with everything else you say, this club has a manager people want to play for, has the money and reputation again that is attracting good names and most of all has some very good players currently in the squad, including Gomez and TAA in defence. Future still bright.

01 Sep 2017 09:16:34
Do you think this is something that can be resolved Ed001? There should be some middle ground? Given the fact that there is potentially 60 games a season (plus internationals), you would hardly want to play all of them and then go to a world cup would you?

{Ed001's Note - I think he has decided it is better to go being perfectly honest.}

01 Sep 2017 09:21:48
Future is great? Selling a 23 year old proper Center midfielder? I would send Hendo back to Sunderland and assure Emre Can for his position and games! Can is the future you should be talking about mate!

01 Sep 2017 09:25:04
I can understand why he might have thought that with the Keita bids but do you think it's the truth Ed? I thought Klopp really rated him so is he really viewing him as more of a backup player in your opinion?

{Ed001's Note - I think it is more Klopp sees him playing from deeper and he doesn't feel that is where he wants to be. For his own development as a player and his international future.}

01 Sep 2017 09:52:30
Cheers Ed

And thanks for all the work this window.

{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome SGR, though I am hoping I am wrong on this one and he decides to stay.}

01 Sep 2017 07:51:19
Eds, wondering if you could answer something for me please. The Ox deal, it strikes me as though Arsenal really didn't want to sell him this year so we had decided to wait until next year to sign him on a free.

Did something happen to change Arsenals mind so late in the window? Did Oxs agent convince Chelsea to make a move and get a fee agreed so that Liverpool could match it, or was this simply a case of a decision being made very late by Arsenal which we took advantage of.

Personally, I'm happy with his signing. Young, talented and has the ability to improve vastly. Think he will fit in well to our counter attacking style. would have liked to have spent less on him, but not my money and we appear to have spent relatively little overall this summer so not exactly breaking the bank (may have spent a lot more on agents fees etc. )

Thanks for the great work this summer.

{Ed001's Note - Ox had been trying to convince Arsene to sell him, but no one had actually made a bid until Chelsea stepped in and agreed a fee. It was not about his agent playing games, it was simply that Arsenal set a price that we were willing to pay, so we could then step in and make an offer, knowing it would be acceptable to them.}

01 Sep 2017 08:11:17
Hi eds can u think of any promising defenders comin through the youth ranks too call on in event of injuries I know there is talent up front who could get a chance like brewster, harry wilson, Woodburn, jan dhanda, and obviously ings, but no real defenders who have shown promise.

{Ed001's Note - Juanma, Gomez, TAA erm Lloyd Jones is still around. A couple of the young centre backs are highly rated, though I can't remember which ones off the top of my head, was it Phillips? I am not awake enough to remember who have been picked out right now sorry, but we do have a decent crop it is just a different kind of promise. Defenders never stand out in the same way, it is much easier to get excited about a player who scores a stunner than a defender who positions himself well and controls an opponent.}

01 Sep 2017 08:20:01
From what i was told by a frequenter of the corporate boxes at the Emirates (who claims to have gotten this from a board member) there was a final contract offer made to Chamberlain last Friday, which he rejected flatly and told them his intention was to join Liverpool specifically. He was never interested in anybody else. Hence him refusing to even negotiate personal terms with Chelsea.

Wenger then stupidly decided to play him against, which i would assume annoyed the Ox.

After that, what happened on the face of it is well documented but from the outside looking in. It looks like Wenger was prepared to stand firm and force him to stay and play, but the decision has gone above him for the Ox to be sold. That is purely speculation on my part though.

01 Sep 2017 08:28:15
Masterson is a very highly rated defender. Nathaniel Phillips and Lloyd Jones are about but i think both lack pace for our system.

{Ed001's Note - Masterson cheers.}

01 Sep 2017 08:45:37
You can be forgiven Ed, my head hurts just from reading these pages yesterday, let alone editing them! I would guess you probably only posted 50% of what was sent in as well! Plus, if we see a post that sounds like trash, we can skip or skim. You have to trawl through the whole rant for anything inappropriate, and then type replies!

{Ed001's Note - it certainly does get to you some days mate. It numbs the mind.}

01 Sep 2017 08:51:50
Thanks ed much appreciated we have cover for every position too a certain degree jus centre back is a light area so baffles me how we didn't get one in, guess we will have too get too january an have good luck with injuries, suspension etc, can u think of any central defenders who are out of contract who could b an emergency option, forgive me for bein desperate haha.

{Ed001's Note - we have Gomez and Klavan as back ups, 4 should be plenty unless we change to a back 3.}

01 Sep 2017 09:22:27
Well you're not out of the woods just yet mate. You've got 13 hours of Markovic and Coutinho questions, followed by at least a week of "who could we sign on a free" before the kids go back to school, and the adults get back to moaning about FSG, Klopp, Mignolet and Lovren until January!

Maybe you should start a e-petition to have the School Summer Holidays or the Summer Transfer window moved so that they don't coincide?

{Ed001's Note - now that is a good idea!}

01 Sep 2017 07:31:53
How unlucky are Liverpool? Only "one" centre back left in the whole of European and world football and we can't bid for him! Very amateurish from the club. Anyway time to move on and see what the January window brings and hopefully everything is not lost by then. As one of the Ed's said we can't go back for VVD in January so hopefully the club have an alternative lined up by then.

01 Sep 2017 08:22:36
Agree about the CB part. There were lots of decent options available if we stumped up the money, and putting all our eggs into the VVD basket after the tapping up fiasco reeks of amateurism and incompetence on Klopp and Co's part. Koulibaly, Manolas were all gettable for lesser fees and would be instant upgrades on Lovren and Klavan.
Now its important to weather the storm till Jan and make the necessary changes in defense.

01 Sep 2017 08:25:09
Considering the only big club selling a CB was us maybe there weren't any others for sale. As some of us keep saying City were chasing Evans and got told to do one, hardly spunds like loads of CBs up for sale.

01 Sep 2017 08:48:22
Maguire, were you living under a rock when Klopp tapped up this "CB" and his club have us by the gonads right now and the owners had to step in to stop the PR bleeding? Ed02 has said repeatedly that Saints won't sell to us and Ed01 said that Saints needs to let us know if we can still bid for him and they did not and said he is not for sale at any price to anyone. You're welcome.

01 Sep 2017 08:59:41
Indian Buzzer do you know for a fact those players were for sale and the price was less than a player whose price was never agreed - and if so how? Also naming 2 doesn't constitute lots, the word you use in the previous sentence. People need to stop exaggerating about it. I don't know VVD was the best option, I'm half disappointed and half happy the club didn't spend 70, 80 or whatever million to sign him, I remember Ed01 said Koulibaly was a better option. BUT, there is absolutely no guarantee any top CB was available and the game isn't awash with good, experienced and for sale options there. The club will just have to develop the potential talent it paid good money for, Gomez and get something out of the players who were highly rated when signed, Lovren and Matip. And that last bit is important. Both Lovren and Matip were highly rated before signing and when first signed, not world class but highly rated, so if they're no cutting it then anyone with sense will look at other "rated" CBs supposedly better than them and wonder if they will turn out to be less than expected as well. Correct me if I am wrong people but I don't think any top centre backs changed hands during this window - please stop before you type Sakho, he was part of our weak defence when he played, so doesn't count.

{Ed001's Note - Man City couldn't even afford to buy a centre back! The only one that I can remember moving was Bonnucci from Juve to Milan and he was never coming to England.}

01 Sep 2017 09:28:08
Did you even read my post Bingo Red or did you just see the letters VVD and comment? I am alluding to the fact that we put all our eggs in one basket. Look up the word sarcasm. By the way you're welcome.

01 Sep 2017 07:25:58
Think we should agree to sell Pip to Barcelona tomorrow after their window shuts.

That way we get the big £££ and he is with us until January so 1) we can line up a replacement 2) we stood our ground which will hopefully stop others trying to leave this way.

01 Sep 2017 08:49:09
Selling Cou without a replacement is dumb business and even Klopp is not that stupid, IMO.

01 Sep 2017 09:30:38
We have replacements already signed in Salah and Ox - you can argue if good enough or not but we don't lack for players.

01 Sep 2017 21:17:33
I meant a direct replacement in the no. 10 role, SG as that is where Cou would be playing this season.

01 Sep 2017 06:56:55
Hi Eds,

This is maybe more for Ed01 or even SquareTomato if around. Seeing as we didn't sign a centre back, I think most fans are hoping Gomez gets a shot at the centre back position alongside Matip at some juncture. I saw a lot of posts calling for a loud, commanding centre back who can properly organise the back four and take control when we are being sloppy, like players like Cahill and Kompany would. I know he's still young, but is that in his personality and game? I saw he's been made England u21 captain so surely has some leadership qualities. i guess it's a hard question, if you could possibly shed some light on how he's viewed on and off the pitch in terms of being a future leader, and having those dominant skills?

{Ed001's Note - from what I was told by former coaches at Charlton, it is possible he could develop that way. They believed he was a future captain, more than one actually said they saw him as a future England captain.}

01 Sep 2017 08:13:52
He has never embarrassed himself when he has played in the first team, he has the physique and technical ability to be a very good centre half, the question is whether he has the mentality and drive to be a top class centre back. I tend to think that getting through the injury problems that he has had takes serious mental strength and character so it is a good indicator. He seems to be one of those lads who is grounded and everyone has good things to say about, which is good as it means he is focused on his football and not the circus that can follow it.

01 Sep 2017 08:31:36
Cheers for the reply, good to hear!

01 Sep 2017 09:01:52
Considering the age when signed and Charlton weren't happy to lose him he must have had something about him and considering club were prepared to take a shot at him out of position at such a young age again suggests something there - although this was the BR era of not caring what position you were signed for you're now the physio selection practice.

01 Sep 2017 06:52:11
Eds, i know its generally harder to do business in january and many clubs are reluctant to sell so i am asking hypothetically.
If for example we where to keep coutinho until january and the club maintened its interest in lemar, woupd we be allowed to speak to monaco about lemar leading up to the window so they can asses their options and help move business along.
I guess by january we will have moved on from lemar anyway but this could relate to any player as coutinho is going to be unhappy and after seeing him in a new light over the past few weeks wouldn't be surprised if he acted like a pissy little child.

{Ed001's Note - it depends on the club seeking permission etc but of course clubs can get deals done and completed outside of the window even. It is purely that registration cannot be transferred outside of a transfer window.}

01 Sep 2017 07:07:12
You reckon we will look to do replace phil in jan or wait til summer? A season is a long long time to keep a sulking player.

{Ed001's Note - the search is always ongoing for better players to come in mate.}

01 Sep 2017 09:05:20
On that subject Ed001, do you think we need to directly replace Coutinho, have we already got the necessary players there or is it more a case of a higher level of squad ability is still needed? Also what is your view of where the squad is now, do you think it is better now than end of last season, even without Coutinho? Sorry for all the questions but you seem to have a level headed approach compared to some on here with agendas about players, owners and managers they want to play out.

{Ed001's Note - it would be a nice option to have, someone with his ability, in some games. I don't see it as essential to remain competitive though. We have improved and given the team more attacking options, whether he stays or leaves. We now have a genuine threat from the fullback positions, with a pair of fullbacks that can play good crosses and we have someone who can deliver quality delivery from a corner in TAA. We do look in a much better position than the start of last season.}

01 Sep 2017 10:16:01
Thanks Ed001 and thanks to all of you for the huge amount of patience you've shown during the last week or two, must have been very trying times.

{Ed001's Note - it certainly was extremely trying at times! Thank you.}

01 Sep 2017 06:39:02
Hi ed, how would you rate Edwards first transfer window then.

{Ed001's Note - hard to tell, but he was not at fault for not getting VVD, he still managed to get Keita and Salah despite the obstructions placed by the way we had attempted to do business. He got Robertson, Solanke and Oxlade-Chamberlain done and got rid of Sakho. I have to say this window was a major improvement on the period with Ayre in charge of dealings.}

01 Sep 2017 06:59:04
Hi Ed, why was ayre so bad with dealings? Was he just an arse to negotiate with?

{Ed001's Note - he came from a different environment, with no time pressure in negotiations, in fact quite the opposite, patience was more important in his negotiations to get deals done. When he had to try and work within time constraints, he struggled badly and just annoyed people with silly offers.}

01 Sep 2017 07:01:26
Yes! Except not planning enough on the Coutinho saga as well not offloading Markovic!

01 Sep 2017 07:41:38
Spot on, Ed. Our window is very good for us and our squad has been very well improved even tho, we could always do better so Edwards gets a B grade, for me. VVD is all to blame for the VVD saga and not Edwards. As for Cou's replacement, we made a stand and Klopp wanted to keep him and FSG backed him to the very time, he changed his mind and wanted rid. Can't blame anyone for that, IMO.

01 Sep 2017 08:51:52
Why is klopp saying in public then it's not his decision, " I have bosses who'll decide" if he's sold or not, you have the club feeding Pearce, Joyce bascombe that he won't be sold, whatever the truth is there's some bull flying out of club, if couts is sold it's massive profits for fsg while we lose quality and don't replace it, it's not about replacing it even but making sure we've improved after the wind closes, we haven't,

{Ed001's Note - how would it be massive profits for FSG? The massive profit would be for LFC, who have a much more massive debt within the FSG group from running at a massive loss for so many years.}

01 Sep 2017 21:23:15
The profits goes to LFC, not FSG.

01 Sep 2017 06:03:54
With origi kent ojo all gone and lallana injured i think now we lack depth for wings in cup games. so i think Markovic might be given chances.
on the good side it would mean good number chances for TAA, grujic and woodburn. While all three of origi kent and ojo hope to get good returns from their respective loan deals. so its good all around everybody gets chances.
PS - I think OX will start against city :) but i don't know who they will drop.

{Ed001's Note - Ox provides cover on the wings too remember.}

01 Sep 2017 07:08:14
Oh yes he has the pace. I hope now that he has got the move he wanted OX proves doubters wrong. He is definitely a physical specimen and i think he can be the player he wants to be at Liverpool. he hasn't been great at arsenal but he has had some fabulous performances albeit few and far in between.
I think he will prove to be a great buy for us.

01 Sep 2017 07:50:56
Ox was brought in to cover the wings. Origi was let go on loan as Studge is staying hence, his chances were blocked, per Ed01 (as he needs to play games to improve and make the Belgian group for Russia) . Cou will stay and I hope Ox proves me wrong and maybe cos he made huge efforts to come to us, he will up his game and his approach to the game.

01 Sep 2017 05:52:29
Thank God the wimdow is closed now. Next game feel so far off. Hate these international breaks. Now to beat City and we can challenge for top spot before halfway break.

01 Sep 2017 06:34:24
Agree! Having an international break at this point in the season is such a buzzkill. Watching england lumber to victory over Malta will be fun though? Won't it? .

01 Sep 2017 07:12:54
i think its more of a problem it came at such a crucial stage of our season, we will loose the momentum from arsenal rout, and these International games tire the players because of long travels.
if there weren't no break we would have killed city, now i think it will be a very close game.

01 Sep 2017 07:40:08
On the plus side at least Coutinho got some match practice and was able to work on his fitness.

01 Sep 2017 07:56:21
It killed our momentum really as we were on a high after winning 4 in a row scoring 11 goals and thrashing Hof and Arsenal scoring 8 goals. But City is a big game so we should not have an issue getting up for it.

01 Sep 2017 05:15:59
Eds wanted to ask you for exchange to take place should the window be open at both the countries?

P. s. It has nothing to do with pipco😅

Also we shouldn't slate lfc for transfers. we have strengthened our squad. yes defense is very poor in centre but let's remember that in all other positions we are way better than last years. gk too if you include ward😜i really want to see how ward performes when he is given a run. hopefully he will perform very well and we will hav a dfns wch leavs arnd 40 goals instd of 50😅😅😅our attack may neutralise our defense then. if its arnd 50 then the prob arises right? well so far so good its lik giving 1 goals per game😂😂😂well whenever lovren has the ball with him i do get scared to death but now the window is closed let's get behind klipperty and all the lads. hopefully he has learnt his lessen and won't tap anyone next year😕😕😕.

{Ed001's Note - we can not register any players now the window is shut.}

01 Sep 2017 05:04:37
We didn't manage to sell Marovic, eds do you think Klopp might use him in cup games or when he needs rotation to rest others? I know that Klopp publicy told that Lazar is free to go but as he will remain here at this moment is there any chance?

{Ed001's Note - only if he proves himself worth the chance and we need to rest others. It is more likely we just wait and try again to offload him in January, unless a foreign club takes him today.}

01 Sep 2017 06:53:16
We've really messed up markovic bad, sign him when he's 20, play him out of position for a year then ship him off to wherever we damn feel like.

01 Sep 2017 07:45:37
Hes produced some pretty insipid performances too, welshred. he's not exactly been forcing his way into the manager's plans.

01 Sep 2017 11:37:21
Oh yeah definitely but I just mean to take a 20 year old out of his comfort zone and then misuse him, not really give him a fair crack at the whip? But you have a point.

03 Sep 2017 02:15:37
so It seems he is included in the squad for the prem league, he may have his chance.

31 Aug 2017 21:16:45
Any chance anything is going to happen Ed001?

Or are we definitely making no more moves?

{Ed001's Note - sorry I went to bed.}

01 Sep 2017 00:45:38
Wanna ask any of the Eds.

Am I right in saying that, with the difference in time for the closing of transfer windows across Europe and England's already shut, we can expect some outgoings but not incomings even if the players are from the country that are yet to close its transfer windows? Right?

Thanks in advance to all you Eds.

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

01 Sep 2017 00:03:53
Ed. Spanish transfer ends tommorrow does that mean couts can go and we can have a player as part of the deal? I thought players had to be registered or is this not the case.

{Ed002's Note - Nope.}

01 Sep 2017 02:09:56
Sorry Ed but assume you meant nope to 'we can have a player as part of the deal'

{Ed002's Note - The transfer window will be closed for Liverpool signing players.}

31 Aug 2017 23:46:46
Think the eds are all taking a well earned break but if anyone's around, what happens now with Markovic?

01 Sep 2017 05:55:56
he tries in training and if we need options in league cup, lesser opponents in CL he gets his chance. BTW we have sent Kent and origi on loan so we have only salah and mane as wingers. lallana is injured till maybe December. so that should help markovic's cause. But its upto him, LFC have held on to pricing him out of a deal, now he has to sit with us till Januar.
i can't help but feel we have screwed his career but much of it owes down to him not taking his chance either.

31 Aug 2017 23:30:13
Eds

Windows closed
Who's coming in Jan 😂😂

Only joking have a great evening

Great site.

31 Aug 2017 23:08:55
Just wondering Eds how close we got to the Lemar deal if at all; would we have any ground work done now that would lead us to be in pole position to sign him in the future?

Thanks for all your patience and time. It's the best site for LFC by some distance.

{Ed002's Note - 16.}

01 Sep 2017 00:51:53
I would like to see quality players come in but I really do think €100 was just too much. I know the prices have been inflated but there are only a handful of players I'd put in that price bracket and I'm afraid he's not one of them. As good as VVD may be I also do think we could consider our options.

01 Sep 2017 00:42:19
FSG got their cheque book out and backed Klopp more than I ever imagined they would with massive bids for players.
We snapped up Naby Kieta, got a new lb which should perk Moreno up which thus far looks like it's working.
Signed Salah, who has hit the ground running (v. fast) and got Oxlade in which does improve the squad depth.
A cb would've been nice but Lovren, Matip, Gomez, Klaven will suffice and what's to say we haven't got anyone in the reserves/ academy in an emergency?
January is there if we're seriously struggling with defending and need recruits.
We kept Coutinho and Can, Lallana to come back, Sturridge hasn't broke a nail for a couple weeks. top player if he stays fit.

Back in the Champions league proper, playing lovely football atm. we can't be perfect, no team is.
I'm optimistic this season will be great!
Bore off all the doom and gloomers, it could be worse. We could support Arsenal! 😉.

01 Sep 2017 01:25:28
We haven't signed Keita, we've got an agreement to sign him next summer. Im pleased with the signings we've made but gutted about the signings we haven't made. Again, we've got a low net spend, which is a good thing from a business POV, but when you consider our main weakness (IMO) was at GK and CB we've not addressed them. I think the players we've bought will do well, but to say FSG backed Klopp more than ever imagined is pushing it to the extreme. We've heard lots of talk of Liverpool getting ready to spend big this window but it hasn't happened.

01 Sep 2017 01:33:19
you're a breathe of fresh air on these pages.

01 Sep 2017 08:23:25
Spot on, Nomisyoung. Tommy, FSG have been backing all the managers under their tenure with loads of cash and Klopp is no different and had RBL and Saints wanted to sell VVD and Keita this window, they would have been here by now BUT don't let facts get in the way of a good moan, tho.

01 Sep 2017 00:01:05
Right, now that's over with, let's get fully behind the owners, manager and the boys on the field, on what should be an interesting, competitive and entertaining season! Time to unite and cheer our lads onto some success.

31 Aug 2017 23:42:08
I wonder what Klopp is thinking for CB. Perhaps use Can again? Gomez almost certainly has to play CB. Imagine one of Lovren or Matip get injured. Would be crisis. Was really hoping VVD was still coming.

01 Sep 2017 00:39:32
Long time reader, first time poster.

I've been wondering if Klopp is getting Gomez more integrated into the team and match fit by rotating him in the RB while Clyne is still injured. Once Clyne is back he and TAA can rotate at RB and Gomez will slot into CB to rotate there. Easing him into it as such.

01 Sep 2017 00:47:21
Think he thinks apart from vvd nobody else was that much better than what we have.

I also think the way we play leaves the back four exposed, vvd would have helped but don't think he would have solved the issue.

Drills drills and more drills. Never know he may go to 3 at the back with emre.

01 Sep 2017 08:31:58
It was VVD or nothing for Klopp at CB and that is the way to go. No more panic buys as I'm sick of them. Give Gomez a go and keep working on defending set pieces and better communication as that is our issue. No CB would fix all our issues as it is more complicated than that.

31 Aug 2017 23:40:10
Pretty disappointed we didn't match Arsenal's bid for Lemar, we've waited years to be able to attract players of his calibre, who rejected Arsenal to join us. Could be a big opportunity missed.

01 Sep 2017 01:14:17
£98m? Get a grip.

31 Aug 2017 23:20:20
Does anyone follow the youth teams? Any good looking CBs in our developmentm mean football talent too before anyone gets smart!

We will surely need them could easily picture Gomez and Matio injured at same time.

Btw it's still not the absolute end of the world that we didn 't get Van Dijk this window I do thunk he will join eventually. Just my opinion of course there.

01 Sep 2017 00:33:39
Maybe ask 23carragher he might know he usually does the reports on the guys on loan, probably your best bet.

01 Sep 2017 00:40:56
No one in the U23s or U18s team are ready to play for the first team as a CB yet.

On a brighter side, with Flanagan, Markovic, Bogdan, Brannagan all still LFC players, the U23s will be pretty strong this time around.

01 Sep 2017 00:41:55
I should say I jest. Ludicrous that the club kept Bogdan, Markovic, Brannagan (injured currently) and Flanagan and also kept Ward as the 3rd choice keeper.

01 Sep 2017 07:02:14
What about that young lad, must be 16/ 17 and is 6 foot 10?