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19 Jul 2018 19:50:06
James Pearce just reported that Alisson has passed his medical.

Done and dusted fellow LFC fams :-)

maxlfc

1.) 19 Jul 2018 20:10:14
Fams shortened for family by the way.


2.) 19 Jul 2018 22:42:14
Just posted a pic to the sightings page from which I have just been messaged from a link inside Melwood.


 

 

17 Jul 2018 20:18:40
So we are in talks to sign Alisson. What did I tell yous that it is likely a knew GK will arrive, If it happens it happens, if it doesn't so be it.

Think the Brasilia presence at LFC might just give us the upper hand. Who knows what is going to happen :-)

maxlfc

1.) 17 Jul 2018 20:45:41
I can't understand the logic in the Alisson bid. I know people have their opinions, but I've watched a fair bit of Kasper schmichael over the past few yrs, and in my opinion he has fewer bad games than any other keeper in the league barring De Gea. But, the main thing is that he seems to thrive on pressure and the big stage in exactly the type of games we want ourselves involved in. Whereas the only evidence we have of Alisson performing in big games is a nothing display against Liverpool and some pretty poor ones in Russia.

{Ed001's Note - the same Schmeichel that was rank all last season and the season before?}


2.) 17 Jul 2018 20:46:05
Is right max, but to be honest mate when you lose one of your top three keepers in Migs (who will leave) there is a really big possibility that there will be a new one coming in. i think Alisson will sign personally. To much smoke on this one mate👍.


3.) 17 Jul 2018 20:49:38
Is Alissons aim true.


4.) 17 Jul 2018 20:54:01
Must have missed his Rank games ed001 😂.

{Ed001's Note - he has had a poor couple of seasons. Attitude is stinking, hence why he suddenly stepped it up for his country.}


5.) 17 Jul 2018 21:00:40
I believe Firmino put in a good word for us LOL.


6.) 17 Jul 2018 21:26:03
There's probably more truth in that than you think Max.


7.) 17 Jul 2018 21:38:32
No one bothered that Klopp pretty much lied to the current goalkeepers?! Saying they’d be fighting for 1st!


8.) 17 Jul 2018 21:43:06
Yeah dean, like when Benitez told us Alonso was not going to be sold and the we got Aquilani!


9.) 17 Jul 2018 21:50:30
Kasper is overrated, makes loads of mistakes and was dropped by Leicester towards the end of the season. He is a good organiser like his dad and decent shot stopper but he’s been mistake riddled for most of his career.


10.) 17 Jul 2018 21:59:12
Dean the other keepers would be fighting for the no1 spot. It would be an up hill battle but that is what it is. If they end up being better than alisson then they would be no1. Or maybe ward has told klopp he wants out? We aren't to know. If you want to win things you need the best players you can get. If the club has the money to spend then I'm all for it. Shaqiri on the cheap may have reopened the door for this to happen while still having money left for a no10.


11.) 17 Jul 2018 22:33:58
Dean who said klopp promised anyone anything? A couple of journos? Must be true so.


12.) 18 Jul 2018 01:02:47
Agree AussieMARK all players should be wanting to be number 1, we have got some decent competition across a number of positions which makes for an exciting season,


13.) 17 Jul 2018 22:49:11
Sorry Ed001. I get quite a few hits when I search for Alisson. so I have tried to RTFP. Can I ask (although i am sure others have already. sorry), what is your view on Alisson? Is he a step up from Karius/ Ward, could he be the answer? Would there be someone else you would prefer?

{Ed001's Note - you obviously haven't read much I was saying last season then! Alisson is a quality keeper with the potential to be the best in the world.}


14.) 18 Jul 2018 04:21:20
I think if you are in the squad and NOT fighting for no. 1 in your position you ought to be elsewhere.


15.) 18 Jul 2018 06:52:20
Deano - why would anyone be bothered what Klopp said to the players?
Players lie, managers lie. It happens all the time. Football is a massive business and at the top it is ruthless.
Players know they are in competition with their peers and are handsomely rewarded for it.
Don’t worry about them, they’ll get over it 🤝.


16.) 18 Jul 2018 07:17:57
Actually the Eds where the ones who said it? Not some journos! I don’t think you’d be on this site if you didn’t respect their opinion.
And I understand we all want a gk, but it’s a shame to hear on yet another bit of unprofessionalism after we’ve heard so much about tapping up etc.


17.) 18 Jul 2018 10:42:13
Many thanks Ed001. I had a feeling you had said something along those lines, but I am getting older and my memory is going. Good to hear your view, I appreciate it!

{Ed001's Note - no worries mate. I really rate him, he does have the modern keeper's obsession with a punch rather than a catch, but they all do that. His reflexes are lightning.}


 

 

16 Jan 2018 16:06:07
Mignolet can say what he wants, Klopp has given him more than enough enough chances prove he is worthy of the no 1 spot.

There can be no sentiment. Mignolet is not good enough and is time for someone else to get a chance to face the firing line.

Klopp's biggest problem is that he is going to struggle to move Mignolet on.

maxlfc

1.) 16 Jan 2018 16:11:14
I don't think he will struggle, still a seasoned PL goalkeeper yes he's not good enough for us but probably good enough to play for anyone outside of the top six teams etc, there is always a need and someone will buy him, let's hope wages are not excessive for the so called "smaller clubs"


2.) 16 Jan 2018 16:25:53
That is exactly the problem. Mignolet is on a very lucrative contract and most clubs will snub him because of that.

So it will either be Liverpool who takes the knock or Mignolet becoming desperate and makes some tough decisions.

He might do well in the Serie A? Many GK's do.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 16:52:47
We might subsidise his wages to allow him leave though my thoughts echo the sentiments of the others in this site. Bit disappointing that he's not staying on to fight for his place. Make no mistake, I'm happier with him no longer playing as no 1 but he's competition for karius and likely to keep him on his toes. Not to mention the possibility of him helping out as the season goes on. Remember towards the end of last year he got his game in order.


4.) 16 Jan 2018 18:52:58
Migs is on 60k a week last I checked so not out of the question for a prem team!


5.) 16 Jan 2018 20:15:07
If you think about it he has international, ECL, EPL and Europa league experience and has played for a top 4 finishing side and is at the prime age for a keeper. He will appeal to clubs. And 60k isn’t huge if that is correct. Not sure why people would be disappointed he isn’t wanting to stay and fight for place, general opinion is he isn’t good enough why would people want to use a slot to keep him?


6.) 16 Jan 2018 21:22:04
I think we be better with Karius and Ward for the rest of the season. May help appease Ward a bit for the messing around he’s had this season. If we can sell Mignolet I say let him go, Klopp has gave him many chances and he’s has not learnt I have no confidence with him in goal.


7.) 16 Jan 2018 21:41:04
At least with karius, he has time to improve and have potential to develop himself. Mignolet who is 30 years old and had 4 years in this club has shown he will not reach in the standards for liverpool to strive to win trophies. His level would be ideal for a midtable club.


8.) 16 Jan 2018 21:51:54
Thing is I don’t recall Mignolet pulling up trees as Sunderland in the first place. Was he best of what we could get then?


9.) 17 Jan 2018 07:20:34
Milan keeper for 39 mil plus migs and bogdan 😂😂🤣 great deal that.


10.) 17 Jan 2018 09:01:51
I honestly struggle to imagine a club discussing their needs and being like 'hmmm we need a goalkeeper, a good shot stopper who can make our defence more solid, who could be possibly available? A-ha! Simon Mignolet! He'll solve our goalkeeping issue'. Seriously with the performances he has delivered what team is going to move for him? I mean is he honestly an upgrade for many of the mid-table clubs being suggested? I seriously doubt it.


11.) 17 Jan 2018 11:00:30
Mignolet was very average at Sunderland at best. Couldn't understand why we blew so much on him. We need to get the next one right. Alisson Becker or Jan Oblak would make an immediate difference.


12.) 17 Jan 2018 12:10:24
Fresst i think i remember he was sunderlands player of the season in the 2012/ 2013 season he looked pretty good that year probably due to them been terrible high volume shots taken against them so his highlight reel might have looked ok well vito mannone was player of the season for them to lol.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 22:45:23
It is quite clear that only an obscene amount will bring Keita to Liverpool.

Unless Keita decides to 'piss' on his current club then nothing is going to happen.

maxlfc

1.) 08 Jul 2017 02:25:36
Or He could just put in for a transfer and say he'd be unhappy to stay.


2.) 08 Jul 2017 07:18:07
Ralf Ragnick (RBL's Sporting Direct) has said that not even a 100m bid will make them sell Keita. I don't know what other hint that LFC and some on here need. Move on, pls.


3.) 08 Jul 2017 07:22:35
Yes but the CEO has said that he would not stand in Keitas way if he wanted to leave. This happens every transfer window, it's part of the song and dance. If people want to have faith that he's coming (I'm one of them) then fair play. If he doesn't come he doesn't come but I'm not getting in a negative mind state about it yet. I believe he will come.


4.) 08 Jul 2017 08:36:03
It was the same with Mane to Southampton. They also had a not for sale stance but in the end it was Mane who pulled the plug and forced the move.

Leipzig do not need money, they want to keep Keita because he is a vital player for them. The problem for Keita is that if he burns bridges with Leipzig and Liverpool fail to meet the asking price then Keita ends up losing and Liverpool face another tapping up situation.

Very dangerous game to play for both Keita and Liverpool. This is all going to come down to Keita forcing his way out.


5.) 08 Jul 2017 08:46:58
He is not coming chaps and sounds like if we continue to push then we msy be reported to FIFA on the grounds of more tapping up. I can not beleive our club are still monitoring or what ever it is we are doing, certainly no bid has gone in. Wasting time that could be used chasing other CM's, CB's and LB's.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 08:50:29
I can not believe how bad we are in the transfer market. Between the apology and getting highly inflated prices we are crippled. I know klopp says to be patient but I would of liked players a part of preseason so they better get a move on. We need 3 more players. A good left back. A centre back and a top striker.

We also need to shift sakho, Moreno karius.

It's ok for klopp to say this but he has always been an advocate of early business and getting players settled in preseason so I can not help but feel our current team could be it going into the season.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 09:17:12
Liverpool have mucked it up again with Keita just like they did with VVD.

It has been made known that Keita wants to join Liverpool without Liverpool approaching Leipzig. End game for Liverpool = tapping up.

It will be best for Liverpool to move on from Keita. Obviously the club ain't learning and play with fire, you will get burned.

Why are FSG not putting an end to this matter? They need to show authority as the circus will be on display again at Anfield if this continues. Clear lack of leadership at the club!

It is too late for Liverpool to approach Leipzig now. They should have done it from the start instead of warming up to the player i. e. the same situation as VVD. FIFA will have a field day.


8.) 08 Jul 2017 09:27:29
Stop getting carried away with the tapping up stuff.
Mistakes have been made but the Keita deal is a typical transfer with us wanting the player and willing to pay what is required to secure his services. PSG want Coutinhio doesn't mean they tapping him up by declaring an interest and every player has a price tag these days it's how football is.

Mistakes were made with VVD but if he submits a transfer request then he will leave Southampton.

Everton didn't want to sell lukaku but Chelsea and united both went in with large offers, both bid the same fee but united played the smart move by tipping the agent more.

Keita wants the move so it will happen, no doubt about it.


9.) 08 Jul 2017 09:45:02
Redx what are you talking about? you make me want to bang my head against a wall.

You call this a mistake? no mate a mistake is when you step on somebodys toe, fart when somebodys eating, accidentally pop a kids balloon or send a text to the second misses when it was meant to be the other, not when you tap up a player, how is that a mistake? The club knew exactly what they were doing it's no mistake it's plain and simple stupid! No wonder we're getting carried away with it. Some of us care about the image of Liverpool.

I can't get my head about how some people can defend these actions, it NEVER happened before so why is it ok to do such things now? it's made us look disgraceful. What winds me up either more is comments like ' every club does it' no they dont! - there's a reason why we are the only ones in the news for it.


10.) 08 Jul 2017 09:48:17
Redx, it is laughable that you bring the Lukaku situation into this. Both Chelsea and UTD have made offers for Lukaku. That is the difference. There have been no stories flying about of Lukaku making it known that he wants to join UTD.

Liverpool have not even approached Leipzig yet Keita has spoken to his club about wanting to move to Liverpool.

You clearly do not understand the severity of the situation.


11.) 08 Jul 2017 10:05:22
Stop the daily obsession with Keita it's getting boring!


12.) 08 Jul 2017 10:30:38
I have never seen such an obsession on these pages over such a run of the mill player.

People talk about him like he is a seasoned veteran with 3 CL titles or something. There is absolutely no perspective here. The hype band wagon is fully loaded up with people convinced he is world class.

Maybe he is, or will be. However you only have to look at Leicester for plenty of examples as to why you don't pay big bucks for players after one good season in a mid table team. Chelsea took a £30m risk on Kante which paid off. Yet look at the likes of Kasper, Huth, Morgan, Drinkwater, Mahrez, King, Vardy etc. They were all lauded as top class players. Mahrez was apparently world class and there were talks of £80m bids from Barcelona! The same is currently happening with every Leipzig player. In reality, maybe one or two of their players are actually the meat, and the rest are just bone.

Keita may be the Kante of the team, who knows. But if even Kante was only valued at £30m after a stunning season in the Premier League in which he actually won the title, how is Keita worth double or as some reports suggest, triple that figure after a single season in which he failed to push his team on to the title?

It is clear Keita is a good player. Nobody can say how good though. It is purely speculation, prediction and assumption. He could be a Kante, or he could be a Drinkwater. If the figure was £30m I'd say take the punt. But £70-100m? And some people are trying to justify it? I'm still not buying it.

Then we have the cheek to laugh at United paying mega bucks for Pogba and Lukaku! Oh the irony.

Move on people. There are 1,000s of midfielders in Europe and I'm sure Keita is not the best option. Certainly not at the £100m RBLs chairman just suggested!


13.) 08 Jul 2017 11:41:18
Keita will sign.

Poker need to stop banging on about tapping up. It's is rife in football and other team sports. Part of business I'm afraid. Business isn't all sunshine and rainbows and if you think that it is then the world must be a very rosey place for you to live with your unicorn and pixies.

Even 'legitimate' deals have add ons, agent incentives and gifts. united and Chelsea bid the same figure for lukaku except the agent got a lot more from the united offer. so that's where his client is heading.

We have yet to be punished for any transfer outside our youth system and if it does come it shall be probably as severe as Ashley cole disgrace for Chelsea.

But until then pipe down about it all cos we will be signing Keita. possibly as early as next week. Let's support the lad and the team.

I agree with you MK about the price but this summer most transfers for teams in champions league will be inflated.

{Ed025's Note - tapping up is not "part of business" redx, its cheating and bribery and very wrong so dont try to condone it mate..


14.) 08 Jul 2017 11:50:10
Not condoning it but I'm not naive enough to think it's isolated to lfc.

{Ed002's Note - You are right - it is everybody else's fault. Pitiful.}


15.) 08 Jul 2017 11:59:55
Sorry ed are you saying that only LFC have ever done this or been accused? Liverpool have received no punishment besides the youth. Only prem team I can think of actually being severely punished for it is Chelsea.

Mark my words Keita will sign and no tapping up allegations will be made either so chill out. Boom.

{Ed025's Note - all im saying mate is that you dont want the name of LFC to be tainted any more than it is now and saying that other clubs act in this despicable way does not make it right..


16.) 08 Jul 2017 12:02:22
If it continues we deserve a ban. Maybe getting away with it so frequently hasn't taught us anything?


17.) 08 Jul 2017 12:09:10
Ed025 I agree with you 100% mate but RB have not and will not be making a complaint about Keita pal.

{Ed025's Note - maybe not redx, maybe more luck than judgement but i do agree with you that it should be dropped now as its getting repetitive..i would sooner concentrate on the players your not signing mate.. :)


18.) 08 Jul 2017 12:15:36
Hahah I agree Ed025, we can talk about left backs now!

{Ed002's Note - You need to understand that within European football Liverpool's behavior is worse than any other club. You clearly don't know anything of the Chelsea situation otherwise you would not have made such a stupid remark. You also seem to ignore the fact that a very significant fine was handed out to Everton for tapping up, and indeed that Liverpool are already serving one ban at the moment and have a pending court case that could have further repercussions. The last season the Liverpool were in Europe they faced more charges with UEFA than any other side. On two occasions the owners and the board have had to issue humiliating apologies to try and avoid charges - and one of those has not been withdrawn. Klopp deliberately unsettled players by taking several journalists aside and briefing them in order to deliberately unsettle the four targets he was sure he could sign this summer. Klopp made illegal and direct approaches to three of those players - that is tapping up. The club is not one of the "elite" European sides that meet a couple of times a year and plan the future - they are excluded from that. Certain clubs will not do business with Liverpool because of the way they behave. Liverpool need to sort their act out or they need to accept there are potentially very serious consequences. Right now they are bottom of the pile in European football.}


19.) 08 Jul 2017 12:15:36
Hahah I agree Ed025, we can talk about left backs now!

{Ed025's Note - yeah mate, robertson could be your marquee signing..i hope.. :)


20.) 08 Jul 2017 13:04:49
Hahah ed025 he will arrive I think as cover but who knows he may be the man for the job.


21.) 08 Jul 2017 13:58:37
I just don't know anymore, fans or so called fans are delusional.


22.) 08 Jul 2017 14:01:12
Hi Eds
Why is this kind of under the radar? I know it's done to death on here, but media wise you don't really see anything about tapping up. Obviously the VVD was well reported, but this has been going on for at lot longer. Just interested.

{Ed025's Note - because contrary to what people think on here its not that common mate, tapping up is quite serious and if the press get wind of it they are all over it like a bun on a boloni sandwitch, but most clubs play by the rules as far as im aware janmo..


23.) 08 Jul 2017 14:17:26
Thanks for the swift response. I find it really frustrating that all the hard work we have put in getting back into the champions league, and we could go in under cooked. If you want a player just put a decent bid in. Thanks great site.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..


24.) 08 Jul 2017 14:39:36
Teabag why is it delusional to think Keita will be a Liverpool player?

Enough people want to bad mouth Liverpool transfer activity on here yet RB have not and will not be making a complaint and Keita will sign for us.

all parties will be happy with the outcome.

{Ed002's Note - How do you know that they will not make a complaint. They don't wish to sell a player who Liverpool have illegally approached and tapped up. You are an idiot.}


25.) 08 Jul 2017 15:39:54
This is the longest repeat active thread I have seen on here for a while xD

I don’t see why we need to 'tap-up' players. But if we are that desperate and stupid why don’t we do it the smart way like Barca?
By this I mean Neymar has tried to convince Coutinho to join them and spoke to the press about him a lot.
We should get a player to do it then the club can be like "well he really likes him, not our fault" xD.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have already used a player to tap up others on behalf of the club - and not even players he knew. So that is worse.}


26.) 08 Jul 2017 20:21:29
Would be good but costs way too much.


27.) 08 Jul 2017 23:09:28
Every club that Mourinho managed tried to sign Gerrard.

On international duty Lampard and Terry were full time in his ear.

Fergie tried twice to sign him; same crack as above with Scholes and Neville in his ear.

Yap Stam told everyone in his book that Fergie had illegally approached him.
Thats why Fergie offloaded him.

The list could go on and on and not just transfers.

The russians doping scandle.

Look at Platini, Beckenbaur, Quatar The scams at Rangers involving players trusts.

The chairnan at Marseilles i think was jailed .

Even Ed mentioned about a champs league match that was suspicious.

I'd say there are many more as well but football is now big business and companies and clubs will try and do what they can to gain an advantage.

They all are guided by the 11th commandment.


28.) 09 Jul 2017 16:24:11
Thanks for the reply ed002 I didn’t even realize that xD
Seriously how stupid are we? If you are going to tap players up with other players, DO IT RIGHT (or just not at all) ridiculous how stupid we are with transfers

I get that the whole of football is corrupt but most teams/ managers/ players stop and stay low once in the limelight, yet we just carry on doing it like nothing bad will happen -. -.


29.) 10 Jul 2017 11:25:28
I might be miss remembering this but didn't the FA .................

{Ed002's Note - IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FA. MOVE ON.}


 

 

24 Jun 2017 10:42:38
Ed002, any interest from Liverpool for Gaetan Laborde?

maxlfc

{Ed002's Note - I don't know of Liverpool interest in Gaetan Laborde. He is seen as a very average striker in France and there is a different Bordeaux player that Liverool has been keen on. Laborde is far from a regular goalscorer.}


1.) 24 Jun 2017 11:02:18
Is that Malcolm? Do we look like making an offer?

{Ed002's Note - Malcom - there has been a lot of interest from Liverpool.}


2.) 24 Jun 2017 11:03:13
Malcolm I assume Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Malcom.}


3.) 24 Jun 2017 11:04:19
Thanks Ed002.


4.) 24 Jun 2017 11:11:59
"Course you can Malcom! "
See how many oldies remember that line.

{Ed001's Note - I am obviously too young.....}


5.) 24 Jun 2017 12:18:58
Sadly I do . Vicks sinex.


6.) 24 Jun 2017 12:39:28
My dad still says it now! Im sure he would have preferred me to be called Malcolm.


7.) 24 Jun 2017 13:10:44
I don't know much about Malcom, but was he another alternative to the left winger? If so, the interest in this window must surely be gone now with the deal for Salah, am i right?

{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't think that Klopp would keep looking for more players in that position but given he will be playing at least one out of position then maybe. Or maybe he is interested in a striker who struggles for goals?}


8.) 24 Jun 2017 13:13:01
And me too.


9.) 24 Jun 2017 13:40:03
Malcom as left back. LOL.


10.) 24 Jun 2017 19:45:24
Gaetan Laborde? Sounds like the name of a drag act!
I still believe that Bobby Firmino will remain as our preferred striking option, with Sturridge and Solanke as back up/ cup players. I don't think Klopp really needs much more up front, he just needs to sort out the defence.


 

 

 

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19 Nov 2018 18:43:13
Clear change in the way Klopp wants his team to play this season. Keep the ball and try win the match instead of scoring three and having to score a 4th to win or running riot and having to make sure that you do not concede more than what you score to win.

maxlfc

1.) 19 Nov 2018 19:29:36
If that's the plan then I think we need to control possession a little bit better imo.

Of course, the two games this season where I thought we kept the ball best, PSG in the CL and Chelsea in the League Cup, we ended up being suckerpunched for 2 goals in the second half of both.


2.) 19 Nov 2018 19:43:51
Spot on, Max. Klopp has reeled the team in and has abandoned this frenetic style that clearly, is entertaining BUT unsustainable and we cannot win the PL with that style. I mean, LFC is the only team I know that would score 3 goals and you still could not say if they would win a game. Some may be happy with that much strain on the team BUT Sorry, I'm not having this whole moan that "we should go back to last season's style".

What we have done is become smarter, more efficient, and more savvy in our approach to games even tho, we MUST improve. Sure we can play better and do more and Klopp himself, has said that multiple times BUT till then, I love the points haul (11 points better than last season in the PL), scored more goals this season at this point than last season as well. Oh, did I say we wiped out a 12 point deficit from City at this point last season?

The fact of the matter is that Klopp and the players have NOTHING more to prove regarding whether we can play fluid footie nd score a hat-full or not. Even Pep is terrified of us so there's your proof. What we need now is the points, first and foremost and if you can play well then great. If you can't, secure the points and ask questions later.


3.) 19 Nov 2018 19:58:44
We don't have good enough players to keep the ball in midfield. The only way we can beat the very best teams is when we play full throttle. Agains't the average teams it is good to conserve some energy but agains't our rivals we should be going at it 100%.

Shaqiri and Keita are must starters for me at the weekend.


4.) 19 Nov 2018 20:37:53
I am not saying keep the ball is all Klopp wants achieve this season but winning the League conceding goals left right and centre is not going to happen. Never has and never will.


5.) 19 Nov 2018 22:40:04
Mark08, not sure what you mean by "our players are not good enough to keep the ball" whereas we have been ranked second (City is first) in terms of possession in the past two seasons. Secondly under Klopp, keeping the ball is a matter of strategy rather than objective as every man and his dog knows that possession means nothing if you can't do much with the ball. Vs big teams on the road, Klopp deliberately allows the oppo. to have more of the ball in a bid to counter them whenever we press high and nick it.

The full throttle football you speak of vs big teams, has only happened when Klopp applies this strategy. It's what he does even in his BVB days. Same in the CL where we pummeled Porto with less possession than we did. Also, watch our games vs City and the other big teams (bar Utd who park the bus) and you will see what I am saying.


6.) 19 Nov 2018 23:39:46
Not trying to have a dig on you markp, but you once said that we need to concede less goals and score more to actually challenge for the title. I don't think our full throttle football we've seen last season can do that.

I couldn't see what are the problems in the midfield. Like I said previously, the team is playing with different style. Some don't like it. I love it. I love the results.


7.) 20 Nov 2018 10:41:49
We won't and probably can't beat Man City if we play the way we played agains't them this season. Of course we need to score more and concede less if we want to win things. Over the last 10 games our results are not good enough to win anything.

If in our next 10 games we lose 2 and draw 3 we will probably be out of Europe and out of the title race. Once you get 6 points behind City little or no chance. I don't think it will happen and we will start playing better. There is a third of the season gone and it is crunch time now. Time for Henderson, Keita, Firmino to actually contribute.

{Ed001's Note - I give up. Some people always just have to look on the bright side of life and find a dark cloud.}


8.) 20 Nov 2018 14:39:02
mark, come on mate, you do realise we're on the Liverpool page? you know, the team who are yet to lose a game? who are only 2 points behind City? 'results are not good enough' where is your head mate? what more do you want? I'm sorry mate I mean no disrespect but your post has really baffled me.

Firmino is fine, Hendo has been brilliant and Keita is new to the squad, it may take until next season for him to adapt properly, this is normal is it not?

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't normally take a season for players to adapt Salah - Keita is a decent footballer but he has always been inconsistent. He also comes with serious attitude issues.}


9.) 20 Nov 2018 16:39:04
Need an honest answer.

Can someone tell me why we changed the system that was working well and suited for all the players that we signed/ trained over the last 3 years?

A manager is known for his style and Klopp’s greatest contribution to football are Lewandowski and Press. Now he has taken out the soul from the team.

If klopp wanted to implement a new style why did he not sign players that suit his style (I don’t even know what style are we playing except we are not a pressing team anymore and are still relying heavily on Salah to score goals)

Baffles me when people say it’s a new style! It takes years for a team to understand a new style let alone play it. Firmino was the press in our system and with this new style we are playing he has become a headless chicken ( poor lad ) He starts the press and bring the two wide man into the game / space he vacates! When he doesn’t press he doesn’t do anything else!

Never understood why people believe attacking means sacrificing defending! That’s bull! Attacking means just attacking. Defending means defending. Your could always attack and still not concede. There were games where we won 4-0, 4-1, 5-0 and I saw nobody talking about any style change!

Last year we conceded coz we had Mignolet at the back with Lovren and Klavan ahead of him! Despite of buying a GK worth £70 mill ( who is an excellent sweeper ) and a CB worth £75 mill ( probably the best in the league and one of the best passer of the ball) if you still think we have to be extremely careful not to concede then we bought poor players!

Mark is right! We do not have skillfull players to play the possession football! Period! Our midfielders are workhorse and ball winners who is suited to counter press and release it and not to keep it under pressure and tight areas. Please go and watch!

If you really think we have iniesta and Silva at the club to keep the ball under intense pressure and not to lose them then you are all in dreamland! We have Wijnaldum and Milner who are not good in doing that! Do you all get it?

I know we are only 2 behind city but we are only 1 ahead of Chelsea and 3 ahead of Arsenal lol! A defeat against Watford / Everton and we are back to same old discussion!


10.) 20 Nov 2018 18:54:09
Harry, your posts are often full of contradictions and this one is no different. You spent all of the past 2 seasons berating Klopp for not being more prudent and pragmatic in his approach cos to you, the all out style was suicidal and would not help us win a trophy. In fact, you said he should play like Mou does. Now, you come and say why did he change the all out style to a more pragmatic one. So now you are slating him for doing exactly what you said he should do, right? Typical contradictory statement coming from you.

You also said we should defend better. Well, we are doing that and winning more points than we did when we played the all out style and you are still moaning. Sorry, man BUT no one cares about Iniesta, Silva or whatever nonsense player you put up who don't play for us and never will cos that's all you seem to know how to do. We are trying to win the PL with a new approach to games and yes, we don't press anymore for obvious reasons. If you want to know why then as the Ed's will say, "Read The Posts".

Face it bro, You are just here to moan and whine cos you are only interested in being right as your post is full of contradictions but again, who is surprised about that? You have been moaning about Klopp since he got here and he can do nothing right in your eyes so why stop now?


11.) 20 Nov 2018 20:55:21
Firmino has been fine? Not from what I have been watching he has been crap, a mile of last season. Keita has not got started and Hendo just can't stay fit. I know you are the eternal optimist but come on call a spade a spade. All 3 need to improve if we are to compete. As you have said before we can't afford to drop many points so I feel we need to kick on, I think we will.


12.) 20 Nov 2018 22:35:49
Mark08, was that post directed at me cos I never mentioned any player's name in my comment?


 

 

13 Nov 2018 16:59:02
I for one cannot understand the negativity about how we are playing considering the healthy position we have found ourselves in this season.

Bloody hell, we are not seeing the mother of it all fast paced action this season we are used to but maybe Klopp saw a shining light bulb and realised that leaving a GK exposed will perhaps see us collecting more points. Enough said.

Alisson has improved us on a vulcanic scale but does not mean he would have conceded less than what he has seeing a team ahead of him leaving him exposed.

The football we saw last season was simply mouthwatering to watch but it shows that Klopp is not a one trick pony and willing to make changes.

The fact that we are only 2 points off of City speaks volumes compared to LFC figting for 4th last season at the same stage after 12 games :-o.

maxlfc

1.) 13 Nov 2018 18:13:08
We are 12 games in and not really playing well.
4 of those games we were lucky in.
Another 4 could quite easily gone on to loose.
I can understand comments like yours, but you have to be realistic and ask up to what point can u go and not play well? We are a a third in to the season, how long do you realistically expect to keep this not playing well but only 2 points behind city mantra?

The wheels will come off and then we will be far more than 2 points behind, then what will we say?

City are excellent and worse is other teams are afraid to go there and play them.
Also do honestly believe they are worried by our stuttering form?

I do not belive in the WC syndrome at all. If anything, when you play at the WC you are even more ampted up to do well, both in that competition but also in the league.

It also shoild not take 12 games for a very good coach like Klopp to realise what is the issue and apply a fix to it.

Another issue is that as time progresses and this stuttering form presists, then players will become more and more anxious in games which causes more stress and more probability to loose.

I don't belive we have been play this poor by design, I think there is something wrong that does need to addressed as soon as possible.

It is not about being negative bit it is also not about being blindley optimist over how we are playing.


2.) 13 Nov 2018 18:25:12
We are playing well, our league position proves that, we are just playing differently to last season, more professionally.
I remember united winning the title several times especially in fergies later years by playing professional, grinding out results week after week, I don’t remember them playing so called heavy metal football, smashing teams 6-5 every week.
Last year we had pretty football, this year we have a title challenge.


3.) 13 Nov 2018 18:30:16
Very well said Mikey.


4.) 13 Nov 2018 18:33:32
The fact that you can say the wheels will come off just shows the level of fans we have.

I can understand if we were midtable and all hope lost but this season has brought out the true Liverpool fan. One of LFC deserve it all :-o.


5.) 13 Nov 2018 18:46:24
Red kurd, well said you have stated exactly my thoughts to perfection. You managed to sum up all my posts this season in one go.
Well said good sir, its good to see I am not the only one that feels we are very fortunate to be in 2nd place.
Ive said before but really see Arsenal doing really well and taking our 2nd place.

{Ed025's Note - thats all we need...another walter.. :)


6.) 13 Nov 2018 18:46:58
I wouldn't say negativity I would say expectations of how well we know we can play. You can still be solid at the back and move the ball quicker up front and take teams apart.


7.) 13 Nov 2018 18:47:03
Red Kurd, you don't know if the wheels will fall off so no need posting absolutist stuff. That's just the reality. Now, we can all agree that we need to improve so that to me, is not in dispute. What is in dispute is how people just lose their stuff cos we did not beat Fulham 5-0. That is just crazy. They seem to forget that we struggled last season as well at this point BUT the diff. is that we are 12 points better off, with a GK of epic talent and a much better defence. Our boys are also very effective and efficient in their play even tho, they must improve. Also, the football we played last season brought us NO title challenge for the reasons and we finished the season on our knees physically. That type of football will not win you the PL cos it is unsustainable over a long period and Klopp has realized that.

Maxlfc, the reason why I thin, people are going overboard is cos they are obsessed with City and judge everything we do thru the prism of what City is doing. I have said it before, if people want to do that then that is a choice they have chosen to make so they should not be surprised if they are losing their marbles cos we don't win games the way City does. Personally, I don't care about them and in fact, we are out to take their crown so we need to focus on ourselves, improve our shortcomings and go from there. People may not think we can do it and that is fine. Klopp thinks we can and I'm riding with him till the end. YNWA!


8.) 13 Nov 2018 18:52:23
Resoecgt all opinion as always but the post from Red Kurd must be a wind up surely?
We are second and yet your still unhappy you do realise there is only one team above us right in the table
So if we can play this bad in your well informed opinion and still be seocnd then what happens when we start playing well?
Some people will always find the misery in happiness which is sad tbh.


9.) 13 Nov 2018 18:54:18
If Bobby n Mane pull their finger out and start playing, the "form" will look a lot better.


10.) 13 Nov 2018 19:03:05
John, I think Walter made a second account mate ;) .


11.) 13 Nov 2018 19:05:33
Max your comments are bordering on being silly.
My comments are aimed at the fact there is nothing wrong with aiming for perfection.
Do you think Pep, Jose or Sari or even Fregi back in the day would put
Do you think any of them would be content with this stuttering?
Do you not think it would be fixed by now if it was any of them?

How can you say we are playing well when there has been at least 4 games we could have lost and 4 games where we had luck on our side?

Been supporting LFC since a long time and fans like me - who care enough to actually want to win every game and win in style will always demand perfection and nothing else.
Why be content and settle for 2nd place or third place oe any other apart from winning the league.

Do you think in our current form we will win the league?

Why can we not tey to do better?
Whats wrong with that?
Always aiming to improve.

{Ed025's Note - although its negative you do make some valid points red kurd..


12.) 13 Nov 2018 19:12:45
Does not seem like Walter is getting it all when it comes to his corn flakes in the morning.


13.) 13 Nov 2018 19:23:29
I think we could all benefit from a little bit of nuance.

Yes, we're in a very good position, but it isn't completely unreasonable to be concerned that the performances haven't been great and to worry that we may get punished if we continue to play like that. It's kinda gone beyond a slow start at this point.

Equally, there's no need to go overboard with doom and gloom because we haven't blown teams away. And I think any negativity is partially influenced by the performances of Man City as much as our own. If they weren't there with the expectation that they're going to drop sod all points, or were at the level they were at 2-3 years ago, I think we'd be a lot less worried.


14.) 13 Nov 2018 19:23:54
I’m interested Red Kurd genuinely. What 4 games could we have lost? And what 4 games did we have luck on our side? I’ll bet you in every single one I could give you a counter argument.
Point is if you think negatively you will always see the negative in every game and say ‘but if that had gone in we could’ve lost’.
Try just enjoying it mate you’ll live longer.


15.) 13 Nov 2018 19:29:57
Whilst I agree that you can always improve if you are only happy with perfection then you will be unhappy most of your life. We are currently second with our best ever start to a premier league season and the 10th best premier league start of all time. Some of the complaints on here sound like a hysterical child!

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me there kramer..


16.) 13 Nov 2018 19:31:12
Put it this way, I’d rather be winning 1-0 or 2-0 as apposed 5-4 with a shoddy defence. The great Liverpool sides of the 70’s and 80’s were built on a solid defence.

These scrappy wins actually shows how far we’ve come defensively compared to last season, in fact even longer, for as long as I can remember since Hodgson was at the helm.

As for the World Cup, for me it has had an effect, not so much fatigue but not having a proper pre season together, folk seem underestimate the importance of pre season.

Plus, the team has been set up differently, not so gung ho with the press etc, I actually think we’ve done well!

I think Ed001 mentioned that the team are now looking to get back into the pressing style of last season.

Yes we’ve been lucky at times but so has every team that have won the league in recent years.


17.) 13 Nov 2018 19:22:41
Rekurdle, I said nothing about playing well. In which way do you want us to improve?

Winning each match?

*Evil laugh*.


18.) 13 Nov 2018 21:01:54
Johncrow and BRover - you both make the same point in slightly different ways.
However the facts are we have improved since last season - but city have also improved and become more effeciant and stable - so there is still a gap - so why can we not aim to ckose up that gap?
Otherwise we are always chasing the pack.


To say end of last season we were on our knews is an exageration to say the least.
We lost the City were not on their knews fighting 4 fronts - eaxh for most of their way. They also had more players at the WC than us.

Please don't waste time telling me about squad depth of Man City - this is something that will always happen if do not keep aiming for improvments, if not for any other reason then for the fact your rivals will always improve around you.

12 games we have had and we have not improved are really looking that blindly to not notice we need to improve if we are to win the title - are you?

Weare not obbsessed with city and that shows how short sighted you are if you think this.
We are obssesed with winning and constantly winning - this is what is required in such an intense enviroment of 6 clubs that could lay a steak on winning.
Do you know much about winning? Have a look at documentries or interviews of those who have won greatly and constantly won in their field and you will see a common theme which is that they were obssesed about being the best and winning - this is the difference between Ronaldo and Messi - 1 with talent and 1 with an obsession of winning.

Wanting to win and being a winner is very different from your mentality which seems to be one that it is okay to constantly not win and not address the issuea behind why we do not win year after year and then to defelct respinsibility and ownership of the issues, they blame other fans for "picking out reasons to be deliberatly negative. '

There are 4 types of fans;

1 - a realistic fan who knows what they will be able to achive and is content with that - you would class these as Negative Red Walter types.

2 - those who are determined to win and just want to win. They want the issues fixed and the team playing for the badge and the fans.

3 - those that are happy with their team even though there obvious and glaring issues that need to be addressed but they still think their team is great - this the BRover and Salah type.

4 - those that jump on the band waggon when team is winning and then turn to the other extreme when we end up with nothing - this is the type that made death threats to Karius after the CL final.


Bottom line I think Janmo76 above put perfectly.
Last season we were scoring for fun and play sublime football but leaking goals.
This season we are not leaking goals but play like we can not string 3 passes together and find it hard to score.
Why can we not have the best of both.
Fergie did it, Jose did it at chelsea first time round, Pep has done it, Sari is close to doing it, why can we do it?

This is the type of fan we are - so kindly knock off your unfounded and deluded opinions about being negative.


19.) 13 Nov 2018 21:07:58
Drogie - that's my point they are very very scrappy wins.
What game would the Fulham one would have been of they goal was not rules offside? On any other day it would have been given.
My concern is we are 12 gamea in and no one has bothered to think or to address why we are scrappy and why we are not as effeciant as before.

Did we really buy a £70mil goalkeeper and and £75mil defender to not leak goals but to be scrappy in both midfield and upfront?

But some on here just want keep banging on about gow good second place is and that we should be grateful for being second!


20.) 13 Nov 2018 21:12:38
Red Kurd, you say "we could have lost 4 games" well, we did not. We have lost two in Europe which we played badly in and deserved to lose. We lost to Chelsea in the EFL in a game we should have scored 3 goals in WAY before Hazard came on and it was our inability to take our chances that cost us on the day. All these can happen. However, I'm not buying the "coulda/ shoulda/ woulda" stuff cos like they say, "if my mom had man parts, she would be my dad. She does not so she isn't my dad".

Honestly, we are trying to win the PL while trying to bed in three new midfielders and a GK whereas City's team have been together for at least, 2 seasons now (for the most part) with Mahrez being the only signing this season. What were people expecting? That we become a juggernaut from the off? Of course it will take time and the good thing is that in spite of that, we are two points off City. THAT is what we should be happy and relieved about. The table does not lie and we are what our league position says we are and I'm cool with that for the time being.


21.) 13 Nov 2018 21:32:27
BRover - I live your opinions and post and read them regularly and agre with you most times.

But I donot think your a "winner" - you are a type 3 fan as I descrived above.

We have recruited the best and now we are saying to them it is okay to have a seasin off so as to get used to everything?
This is farsical theory about bedding in - when u spen £50ml to £70ml on players of thay calibre they do not need more than 5 or 6 games to bed in.

Shall wr just wait another season and foreget this one? So as they bed in?

A winning mentality is wgat you INVOKE into your teams - you do not give them time and space for failiour.

I was referring about the league games not europe.

Fulham could have gone the other way easily if their goal stood. They matched us in the first half.

Both City and Arsenal games could have actually been lost - if that was not in danger then why did we not win. We need to be beating the teams around us so as to dent their confidence.

City aimed for perfection last season and they added Mahrez in their quest for this season.
This is their approach and mentality and because of it they are the winners and we need to match that quickly.


22.) 13 Nov 2018 21:42:20
Kurd

Chasing perfection is achieved through constant improvement.

This years league table points to the fact that there has been vast improvement in terms of game management.

Are we playing perfectly. No. Quite a few players have yet to hit top form. You could even argue the three up front being in that bunch.

When they do get into top gear we could be a scary team come the second half of the season.

Keita has no got going yet, shiqiri has hopefully played himself into a regular starting place. The front three need another threat joining them to link up play and create space.

I much prefer the situation we are in with obvious improvement around the corner than being second on blind luck and having not played many tough fixtures.

Its quite the opposite.

I would have bitten your hand off to be 2 points off top at this stage at the start of the season. If its the same after christmas just watch the juggernaught roll into town.


23.) 13 Nov 2018 22:08:06
This time last season we were 12 points behind City, this season we are 2 points behind City, if that’s not closing the gap I don’t know what is.
You mention the Fulham offside goal as proof of us being lucky and then say we could have easily lost to Arsenal whilst neglecting to mention Mane’s goal that was incorrectly ruled out for offside.
You say Sarri is close to doing it and yet Chelsea are behind us in the league, I’m sure if you were a Chelsea supporter you’d be complaining about him.
Do you seriously think no one is bothering to address the fact that we are not playing outstanding football? Just because you aren’t seeing it doesn’t mean it isn’t being worked on.
Do you realize we have scored only 1 league goal less than this time last season and conceded 12 less, and yet you say we are not as efficient, based on what? I honestly don’t know what would make you happy.


24.) 13 Nov 2018 22:09:21
I’d add a 5th type of fan:

5. The fan that is never happy no matter what happens and lives for the day that their own team lose so they can say to everyone ‘see I told you we were rubbish’. I’d put negative, Harry and Kurd in this category.

I really despise it when people are blatantly negative and call it realistic. It shows a fatal character flaw and they are exactly the type of people who will drag you down.

If everyone thought like you Kurd we’d still be living in caves and wearing wooden underpants.


25.) 13 Nov 2018 22:30:12
Kurd,

Our wheel will come off, don't you think City's will and might come off too?

How sure are you that Klopp is content with whatever the form the team is on now?

Whatever the problems are, don't you think that Klopp is well aware about it and trying to address it?

You said that you aren't being negative. Your assumptions clearly show that you are.


26.) 13 Nov 2018 22:51:32
Thanks for the underhand insults blinders - ironic that your user name ia blinders - you should really just cut out the last 3 alphabets and the first part.

No body has stated "I told you so" so maybe your hallucinating.
Not Harry bot walter or me.
You have typical "Mob Rule" mentality and apose anyone with a differenr point of view.
Hence qhy your so quick to paint others with differing views as negative.


Uou missed that point too - we just want to win and are concerned why are not as hood as we know we can be.

Go back and read the post Janmo76 - go back and read it.
Perfect summery, put in to simple terms.

You clearly did not read my main point of debate which is as Kramer above has suggested that we have players not playing so well yet and blah blah blah. BUT we are 12 games in to the seasom and one third of the way in to the season - so when are we going to start playing? When the gap is way too big for us to catch up?

But naieve and blikered fans like you do not like the idea of someone pointing out the obvious.

Earn your accusations some credibility by reading each of my posts and and answering each and every point in them with logical answers as to why you think I am wrong.
Adress each one of them with a question mark.

There is nothing wrong with highlighting the fact we need to improve.

You go sit on the side lines and be happy with second.

Stop comparing us with last year - that has long been over and in case your blinkers were on at full force last year - let me give the bad news - we actually won nothing, that's zero and in numbers it is still 0.

We have improved on last year, sure but so has City and Chelsea and Arsenal.

So what are you guys saying, If only there was no City this year that we would be top?
News flash; City are here and like it or not they are top and are better and we need to aim to be better then them.
Same for Arsenal and Chelsea - both of those 2 teams have improved over their 12 games and so has city - but not us. Sure we have won games but we have been very scrappy at times.


27.) 13 Nov 2018 22:58:37
HaizanMSS - great points and a great post, so respect for that.

I think City will have a blip as so will we. I do not expect the wheels to come off but if we do not improve then that blip could be a bigger blip.
I was merely saying do we wait for the wheels to come off? Or do we aim to improve and address the situation now befire it happens.

I think Klopp is looking and workong on the issues - but this is 12 games in now and we have not really improved over those 12 games.

When city do have their blip - which I can not see it being a huge blip, then we need to be ready to take advantage but I do not feel our current form is enough to take an advantage.

To aim to be better and better each time is not negative, so I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.


28.) 13 Nov 2018 23:00:21
Ah come off it, Kurd.

You have no problem inserting an obvious dig at people who disagree with you into your "4 types of fans" nonsense, but Bobby gives a bit back and you have a sulk about it?

Come lad, don't give out what you can't take.


29.) 13 Nov 2018 23:10:52
Kurd mate.

Yes they have been scrappy wins, not sure how old you are but I’ve been around to know that Fergie didn’t win all those league titles playing free flowing football week in week out.

I remember some seasons, United used to be terrible pre Christmas but would storm the league there after.

You talk about the mismatch in midfield and a miss firing front three, I just want to say again the importance of a full pre season, which most players didn’t have after the W/ C. Our approach to games has also changed.

VVD and Alisson are two of the best signings our club has made in years and by the looks of it, Keita and Fabinho need time to settle in. When they do we will have one hell of a team.

We are all frustrated with the fact that the goals aren’t firing in left right and centre like last season but with the quality we have, I’m sure very soon they will.

No one wants second non more than me but I just feel patience is needed.


30.) 13 Nov 2018 23:06:25
The gap is 2 points, I don’t understand why you think this is so huge. You don’t get any points for style in football. Do you think Chelsea or Spurs or Arsenal fans are panicking because they are not top of the league after 12 games. Ed002 is right Liverpool fans really are morons.


31.) 14 Nov 2018 00:25:07
You are deluded mate honestly. You say stop comparing us to last year but that’s what your whole post is about. How we are not playing like we did at the back end of last year when we won nothing!
We are a bit more pragmatic this year but we are getting the job done!
You even mention Arsenal and Chelsea who drew their last games against Wolves and Everton respectively at home!
You mention Sarri and say he wouldn’t stand for 2nd when he’s not won a major trophy in his life. NOT ONE!
You say Fulham could’ve beaten us had that goal stood. IT WAS OFFSIDE! Tight but OFFSIDE!
Unlike the goal we scored against Arsenal that was miles onside. But we are lucky and Arsenal could have beat us?
City are apparently winners yet drew at Wolves and came to Anfield for a draw. Yes they had a pen but a player they signed for £60m put it over the bar. That’s not us being lucky that’s Mahrez having poor technique!
Shortly after that Salah had a chance where he just needed to lift it over Ederson but he sliced it high and wide so I could say we were unlucky not to score and win.
We are not scoring 5 and 6 every game but we are tight at the back and the forwards are doing enough to score 1 less goal than we had at this stage last season.
Honestly you can insult me all you want but it doesn’t change the fact you really have no clue what you’re talking about.
You’re incomprehensible ramblings are just embarrassing.


32.) 14 Nov 2018 02:25:41
Thanks Kurd. I didn't mean to say it in negative tone, but just saying that you are being negative with your points.

I understand about wanting things to be improved. However, I just can't agree with all the points stated.


33.) 14 Nov 2018 02:31:17
Drogie - I get your points mate that's why I thumbed you up.

But I feel that we are so close this season if only we could get it together properly.
My worry ia we are 12 ganes in and not fully firing - when do start to be concerned about not fully firing.
My frustrations with some of the Red's on here are that they seem to want to paint over this concern as if it does not matter.

BTW I am old enough to remember all those scrappy matches fergies teams had.
I am just hoping, we, like Fergies teams develope a winning mentality from these scrappy wins.

{Ed001's Note - you are deliberately being negative and looking for negative things. At times the team has shown some lovely attacking football, it is just not the old unprofessional everyone flooding forward style that cost us so many goals.}


34.) 14 Nov 2018 02:43:06
Something Red - vakid points you make.

But I was not inserting digs, just using examples of posters who we can perhaps all relate to.

I honestly see 4 types of fans across all fans and clubs.

As I have said I do not think the wheels will come off our season but we definitley need to improve and that is very obvious. So what will it take to make us improve, do we wait for the blip or the wheels coming off?

My frustration is when you say these things others are quick paint you as negative, hence my mob rule comment.
Worst is they never really debate your post or points but just paint you as negative.

I just want us to win mate, wheather against Barcelona or against Brighton.
And I want us to improve with every game - improving with every game is the only way we will win the league or anything for that matter.

{Ed001's Note - if you try making some valid points instead of whining all is bad, perhaps people would debate those points. You start off whining and now you are whining that people are not interested in engaging with your negative whining. Not sure you can blame anyone but yourself. Quit whining and make a point.}


35.) 14 Nov 2018 05:02:12
Red Kurd makes some good, if unpopular, points. Our points total is good but performances haven't been exceptional on the whole. This season has a long way to go but, at some point, we are going to come a cropper if we don't show more cohesiveness and less silly mistakes. We have ridden our luck in a number of games but id like to see us start to put teams to the sword instead luck even beginning to factor. We are capable of better performances than we have shown so far this season, regardless of our current league position. If we don't start dominating games as we are fully capable of, the lucky decisions may not start going our way and the wheels could, indeed, fall off.

{Ed001's Note - but that is not a point, it is a moan. There is no point being made as he is comparing it to last season, which was exactly the same at this point. So it is just a pointless whine from someone who has no perspective. He is not pointing out differences between last season, he has just completely forgotten it and just remembered the bits he wants to. Has no one remembered how bad we were at times in the early part of last season? A hammering at the hands of Spurs, for instance? This constant whining every season from people with no perspective is just tiresome, just like how Watford get bigged up every season for the first few weeks before they slide back down the table. If people actually bothered to look back at previous seasons they would have some perspective and might actually be able to make a point, instead of just making a completely false comparison. It is like those people talking about how school days are the best days of your life, no you are just forgetting all the crap bits and only remembering the good bits. People are doing exactly the same with football, they are only picking out the bits that suit their flawed perspective.}


36.) 14 Nov 2018 06:53:02
We are not playing that poorly to warrant such an extreme post.
You play as a team, it’s not just about the midfield or the front 3. As a defensive unit we are playing much better than last season and it is foolish to think otherwise.

As for the midfield and strikers there are mitigating circumstances - the midfield has been shaken up this summer, Fabinho and Keita have come in, the Ox and Hendo have had injuries. The strikers are just not quite firing but from my observations there is not a lot wrong, they are just slightly off form.

So to sum up Kurd and Walter, I think you’re framing this in a negative way. I think this IS our blip.
City are on form, from their point of view it doesn’t get any better and they are only 2 points clear.
From our point of view we have lots of potential for improvement and we are only 2 points behind.

😛.


37.) 14 Nov 2018 07:28:32
Ok here we go . A bit late but here we go :
12 games in
-Goals per match : ~2 ( 4th in league)
-cleansheets: 7 ( 1st in league)
-average possesion : close to 60 (3rd in league)
-yellow cards: 12 (least n league)
-tackles per match - 11 ( 2nd highest successful tackle rate in the league considering we have conceded the fewest goals) .
- Passing % - 85% (3rd in league)
- Highest number of possesion won in final third - 337
How excatly are we playing not upto mark?


38.) 14 Nov 2018 08:14:46
Each to their own RK mate, everybody has different opinions but I'm happy to be a 'type 3' fan because in my opinion we don't have 'obvious and glaring issues' maybe we would if we'd of lost a third of our games already (example) but we're unbeaten mate and in the position we're currently in I wouldn't call anything an issue. I'm positive about this team because I believe in them, I believe in the club as a whole.

I haven't always felt this way, I've being as negative as the rest at some point in the past but this season I feel it's different and we're more than capable.

Maybe I'm blind but I really don't see where the issues are, our squad is top notch, the best it's been for years but we have issues? I'm failing to see where. Sure there could be a couple of minor adjustments but other than then I'm delighted with this squad.

The past couple of seasons all we have done is thrive and improve, that's enough for me seeing constant improvements made, it should be enough for every fan I'd of thought?


39.) 14 Nov 2018 08:39:41
Personally in my opinion comparisons to last season are only useful if they suit your point. You could compare the current stats to the first 12 games of last season but what's the point? You won't have played the same 12 teams, if you did the mix of home and away would be different, the players playing would be different, managers and styles too, the weather/ pitch condition could all be different. And after all that there's 3 new teams in the league every season, there's so many variables it's pretty much pointless.

As well as that it's hard to make comparisons between us and City currently for similar reasons, we haven't played all the same teams home and away over 12 games, so how can you make comparisons? See Arsenal who have had an easier run of games and as such are higher up the league after 12 games than anticipated. The only way to judge a team is on its current season, after 38 games and the medals are dished out, stats tell whatever story you want them too.

My most humble of opinions as a professional analyst.


40.) 14 Nov 2018 10:53:49
Worminator. If you are a professional analyst who doesn't believe that looking at past performance as an indicator to help to forecast future behaviour then you must be out of work right? You are right that there are many variables but for example playing Cardiff instead of Swansea gives a small variation. The fact of the matter is we have achieved a very strong points total which is proven (over many seasons! ) to be enough to a. More often than not be top at this time of the season and b. to be enough to mount a serious title challenge. The fact that the Premier League this year is far more competitive than last year should actually indicate that it is harder to achieve what we have this season in comparison to last season. So in actual fact using your logic we are doing better than we even think we are!


41.) 14 Nov 2018 12:01:25
Very much in work Torben, by your point using the past 5 seasons, or as far back as you care to go forecast me the league table for this season? And when you can't, you'll see what I mean with my post.

I'd love to know the variation of playing Cardiff compared to Swansea in a season. First we need to work out the mean, what are we using transfer values, height, appearances, you choose? Then we'll work out the difference from the mean of each player, square this and divide by the number of players and that will definitely tell us how much easier it was to play Cardiff this year, compared to Swansea previously.

Or as I said ridiculous to consider unless these things match your point. Past performance is useful for things like stocks and shares, revenue projections, not prediticing Leicester will win the league one year, riddle me that one.


42.) 14 Nov 2018 18:34:42
Ron I agree pretty much everything you said. Spot on mate.

Not too long ago on here I remember people saying how a team should always build their defence first and move forward from there. Our defence is looking so solid this season in comparison to last and now people are whinging about the midfield and forwards.

Wait til Keita and Fabinho fully settle and learn their roles, the Ox comes back to improve our depth and our forwards really start clicking (which is already happening recently imo) .

The seasons still got a long way to go people.


43.) 14 Nov 2018 19:51:27
Spot on, Ed01. Red Kurd has been whining and moaning since his first post and has not stopped since. He has NOTHING positive to say about anything. It's all "coulda/ shoulda/ woulda" or "if's and/ or but's" and to top it off, he starts putting fans into categories/ boxes cos they disagree with the negative, whining hot air he is blowing. While at the same time, complains at others for taking pot shots at him. Playing the victim much?

Then, he asserts to us that the wheels will fall off. How do you know that? Can you tell the future? Didn't think so. This topic is very nuanced and context is required to be cohesive in getting your points across, the very thing your posts lack.

Also, do you think the rest of us can't pick out negative things to whine about or do you think you have the monopoly on that? News Flash: You don't. We choose to be measured and take all parts of our season so far (good and bad into account so as to form a more cohesive opinion. You chose to moan and that is your choice. The rest of us don't have to agree with you on that. Please, come back when you actually have a point to make and debate cos all this moaning is becoming tedious and boring.


44.) 14 Nov 2018 22:33:07
Who is the original “RK” 🤔

Nice one Smallsy 👍.


 

 

21 Jul 2018 22:45:21
I cannot remember me being this excited about a new season the day we signed Jurgen Klopp.

He has turned this club around in a very short space of time.

You look back at how LFC has fallen down the ladder season after season over the years. Yes no silverware as yet but I have a feeling it will come this season.

Considering were the club was when Klopp took over.

Believe!

maxlfc

1.) 21 Jul 2018 23:04:53
Its unreal how much better we are than the day rodgers left. i've said it before but is there anyone who could have taken over that side in 2015 and be in the position we are now not even 3 years later?


2.) 22 Jul 2018 00:12:33
There probably could have been tbh. but klopp feels like a perfect fit for us.

Also, we haven't won anything yet. We're just continuing the steady progress we've been making since klopp arrived. Trophy or not this season, the progress is obvious.


3.) 22 Jul 2018 06:47:38
Surely a trophy Will be minimum expectation this year given the outlay?


4.) 22 Jul 2018 07:15:48
I don't think we've done enough as a club to say that bare minimum expectation is a trophy. I mean we still have to show that we can win a trophy first. that might not even happen this season. and if doesn't, if that is the minimum expectation, then do we just rip it up next year? minimum for me now is that we challenge for prem and are in the race for the cups (make semi, final etc)


5.) 22 Jul 2018 09:51:11
We haven't done enough, but I pose the question should Klopps job be under threat if we don't at the very least challenge for title given how much has been spent.


6.) 22 Jul 2018 10:07:12
With you there, Faithworks. I know many will be losing their bricks and go full-on "whine and moan" if we do not win a trophy this season BUT you are correct. We have to earn that right and that is only earned on the pitch. I also think that it would be foolish to rip up the whole thing and start again cos if heaven's forbid, we do not win a trophy this season.

I mean, Poch has won nothing at Spurs for FOUR seasons yet Spurs aren't ripping anything up. They in fact, gave him an extension cos they know that he is the best chance they have of winning a sausage at the moment. Same with Klopp. He is challenging for trophies right now and all we have to do is get over that hump and we will be there. Hopefully, this is the year we get it right.


7.) 22 Jul 2018 10:13:24
if we start well, we will win the league. If we struggle at the start, I still think we’ll win the league.


8.) 22 Jul 2018 11:39:23
Agreed aoe. Imo we need at least 16 points from our from 6 games if not all 18! A good start would have won us the league with Rodgers.


9.) 22 Jul 2018 11:48:57
It always amazing how careless we can be with predictions. Am not a betting man, but would hate to see how some of you gamble lol

For me it just comes down to enjoying the journey and loving supporting the club.


10.) 22 Jul 2018 12:12:39
Rodgers got us closer to the league than Klopp has. Klopp is the better manager imo, miles better but he still hasn't won owt yet. This year surely.


11.) 22 Jul 2018 12:17:52
That season under BR was the best lightening in a bottle ever! Unfortunately, the poor planning and lack of identity came back to hurt us.


12.) 22 Jul 2018 12:59:30
Spot on, Faithworks. Robbiejames, I compare our ride under BR to that of LC under Ranieri. LC just wanted to stay up going into that season and they found themselves in a title tilt. The diff. here is that Ranieri was very humble, measured YET determined in about it in his public comments. He kept his head down, so did the players and they got it done.

BR did bring us close to winning the PL BUT was that by design or by us as Faithworks said, "Catching lightning in the bottle"? You will find that the latter is the case. BR was mandated to get us back in the top 4 that season and we were 4th going into the NY. Then, "we catch lightning in a bottle" and go on a 12 win streak. The title tilt came as a shock BUT unlike Ranieri, BR did not know how to handle it due to his ego, mismanagement and arrogance and we messed up. The fact of the matter is that BR won NOTHING in his 3-plus seasons here while Klopp had us challenging for trophies from jump till last season so the hope is now, we can get it done this season.


 

 

21 Jul 2018 21:02:36
Looking at it, has the competition really strengthened?

Arsenal have a new manager and their new signing have not been much to write home about. Chelsea new manager too and looking likely to lose two key players before the window shuts. Both managers completely different vs Arsene and Conte so who knows how things will work out there.

City have signed Mahrez, but now he ain't a big fish in a small pond anymore.

UTD, well, Mourinho will be moaning about everything and blame everyone else again this coming season.

Spurs have not signed anyone if I can recall. Not a happy place for them to be permanently relying on Kane.

Thank heavens we have Klopp!

maxlfc

1.) 21 Jul 2018 21:26:01
Didn't spurs sign lamela? Looked a half decent player and if they can keep their defence intact then they will be there or there abouts.

Chelsea look the weakest imo, especially if they lose hazard, which they will. Signing smicheal maybe or other not so good keepers. If they lose William then they will be in trouble.

Arsenal? Who knows. I doubt he will have them clicking straight away.

I think utd will be there abouts and I think it'll be a lot closer this year between us, City and utd. That's my order

Liverpool, City, utd, spurs, arsenal then chelsea.


2.) 21 Jul 2018 21:24:12
One problem tho, the window hasn't closed yet.


3.) 21 Jul 2018 21:44:53
RJ-Spurs signed Lamela 5 years ago!


4.) 21 Jul 2018 22:09:14
New managers often have a good start - no-one has worked them out yet and players wanting to impress plus the beginning of the season after a World Cup is always a leveller 🤝.


5.) 21 Jul 2018 22:20:32
True Irish but who will UTD sign? Bale? Cough Cough.


6.) 21 Jul 2018 22:30:46
Ron, I cannot see any team running away with the League like City did last season.

The Arsenal job not going to be easy to resurrect. They are in decline.

Sarri, well, if he loses Courtois which is looking likely then it will be a bitter blow. Lose Hazrad too and it might very well spoil the party.


7.) 22 Jul 2018 00:17:27
I always prefer to look at how a team develops rather than who has signed, or at least if it was a spectrum I'd lean that way moreso. I mean people were losing their rubbish in Jan when arsenal were strengthening with aubameyang and others, it was like our death was a foregone conclusion. i just trust ourselves and what klopp is building.


8.) 22 Jul 2018 01:23:05
Lamela has just signed a 2 year extension on his current contract.


9.) 22 Jul 2018 08:20:41
City are the team to catch, no one even came close last season as they ran away with the league. We demonstrated on lots of occasions though that we can match them or better them. We just now have to be able to do it over a 38 League game season.


10.) 22 Jul 2018 12:25:24
Oh, I thought they signed Southampton lamela?


 

 

20 Jul 2018 18:06:26
So here is what I am thinking, Klopp is just tickling everyone to suggest our window is done and dusted.

Going by what Ed002 mentioned in one of his posts earlier, it seems we are still in the hunt before the window closes :-)

Believe we will still see Coutinho's replacement before the window closes.

maxlfc

1.) 20 Jul 2018 19:02:16
I think we are done Max and priority is selling a few on to reduce the numbers and wage bill. Only 1 outfield player in Emre has left with 3 already arriving. No room for anyone else mate.


2.) 20 Jul 2018 19:30:38
I think Ed02 just raised the prospect of mignolet and karius both leaving in which case we will still need to sign a goalkeeper. There was no hidden messages.


3.) 20 Jul 2018 19:50:20
Karius leave? Not seen any interest in him tbh. Same with Mignolet.


 

 

 

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Wishing Stevie all the best at Rangers and good luck to Kent. Let's hope he makes the most of it.

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Grino, sorry too say but Clyne is just not good enough. His injury issue along with his wages will have many calling him a miss.

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Fekir would have signed already Ed025, not been a secret. So it is just a matter of whether Klopp is willing to start negotiations again or not.

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20 Jul 2018 18:10:06
Klopp wants Fekir, Fekir wants LFC.

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19 Nov 2018 20:37:53
I am not saying keep the ball is all Klopp wants achieve this season but winning the League conceding goals left right and centre is not going to happen. Never has and never will.

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Rekurdle, I said nothing about playing well. In which way do you want us to improve?

Winning each match?

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Does not seem like Walter is getting it all when it comes to his corn flakes in the morning.

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13 Nov 2018 18:33:32
The fact that you can say the wheels will come off just shows the level of fans we have.

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Does the formstion really matter?

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