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07 Jul 2017 22:45:23
It is quite clear that only an obscene amount will bring Keita to Liverpool.

Unless Keita decides to 'piss' on his current club then nothing is going to happen.


1.) 08 Jul 2017 02:25:36
Or He could just put in for a transfer and say he'd be unhappy to stay.

2.) 08 Jul 2017 07:18:07
Ralf Ragnick (RBL's Sporting Direct) has said that not even a 100m bid will make them sell Keita. I don't know what other hint that LFC and some on here need. Move on, pls.

3.) 08 Jul 2017 07:22:35
Yes but the CEO has said that he would not stand in Keitas way if he wanted to leave. This happens every transfer window, it's part of the song and dance. If people want to have faith that he's coming (I'm one of them) then fair play. If he doesn't come he doesn't come but I'm not getting in a negative mind state about it yet. I believe he will come.

4.) 08 Jul 2017 08:36:03
It was the same with Mane to Southampton. They also had a not for sale stance but in the end it was Mane who pulled the plug and forced the move.

Leipzig do not need money, they want to keep Keita because he is a vital player for them. The problem for Keita is that if he burns bridges with Leipzig and Liverpool fail to meet the asking price then Keita ends up losing and Liverpool face another tapping up situation.

Very dangerous game to play for both Keita and Liverpool. This is all going to come down to Keita forcing his way out.

5.) 08 Jul 2017 08:46:58
He is not coming chaps and sounds like if we continue to push then we msy be reported to FIFA on the grounds of more tapping up. I can not beleive our club are still monitoring or what ever it is we are doing, certainly no bid has gone in. Wasting time that could be used chasing other CM's, CB's and LB's.

6.) 08 Jul 2017 08:50:29
I can not believe how bad we are in the transfer market. Between the apology and getting highly inflated prices we are crippled. I know klopp says to be patient but I would of liked players a part of preseason so they better get a move on. We need 3 more players. A good left back. A centre back and a top striker.

We also need to shift sakho, Moreno karius.

It's ok for klopp to say this but he has always been an advocate of early business and getting players settled in preseason so I can not help but feel our current team could be it going into the season.

7.) 08 Jul 2017 09:17:12
Liverpool have mucked it up again with Keita just like they did with VVD.

It has been made known that Keita wants to join Liverpool without Liverpool approaching Leipzig. End game for Liverpool = tapping up.

It will be best for Liverpool to move on from Keita. Obviously the club ain't learning and play with fire, you will get burned.

Why are FSG not putting an end to this matter? They need to show authority as the circus will be on display again at Anfield if this continues. Clear lack of leadership at the club!

It is too late for Liverpool to approach Leipzig now. They should have done it from the start instead of warming up to the player i. e. the same situation as VVD. FIFA will have a field day.

8.) 08 Jul 2017 09:27:29
Stop getting carried away with the tapping up stuff.
Mistakes have been made but the Keita deal is a typical transfer with us wanting the player and willing to pay what is required to secure his services. PSG want Coutinhio doesn't mean they tapping him up by declaring an interest and every player has a price tag these days it's how football is.

Mistakes were made with VVD but if he submits a transfer request then he will leave Southampton.

Everton didn't want to sell lukaku but Chelsea and united both went in with large offers, both bid the same fee but united played the smart move by tipping the agent more.

Keita wants the move so it will happen, no doubt about it.

9.) 08 Jul 2017 09:45:02
Redx what are you talking about? you make me want to bang my head against a wall.

You call this a mistake? no mate a mistake is when you step on somebodys toe, fart when somebodys eating, accidentally pop a kids balloon or send a text to the second misses when it was meant to be the other, not when you tap up a player, how is that a mistake? The club knew exactly what they were doing it's no mistake it's plain and simple stupid! No wonder we're getting carried away with it. Some of us care about the image of Liverpool.

I can't get my head about how some people can defend these actions, it NEVER happened before so why is it ok to do such things now? it's made us look disgraceful. What winds me up either more is comments like ' every club does it' no they dont! - there's a reason why we are the only ones in the news for it.

10.) 08 Jul 2017 09:48:17
Redx, it is laughable that you bring the Lukaku situation into this. Both Chelsea and UTD have made offers for Lukaku. That is the difference. There have been no stories flying about of Lukaku making it known that he wants to join UTD.

Liverpool have not even approached Leipzig yet Keita has spoken to his club about wanting to move to Liverpool.

You clearly do not understand the severity of the situation.

11.) 08 Jul 2017 10:05:22
Stop the daily obsession with Keita it's getting boring!

12.) 08 Jul 2017 10:30:38
I have never seen such an obsession on these pages over such a run of the mill player.

People talk about him like he is a seasoned veteran with 3 CL titles or something. There is absolutely no perspective here. The hype band wagon is fully loaded up with people convinced he is world class.

Maybe he is, or will be. However you only have to look at Leicester for plenty of examples as to why you don't pay big bucks for players after one good season in a mid table team. Chelsea took a £30m risk on Kante which paid off. Yet look at the likes of Kasper, Huth, Morgan, Drinkwater, Mahrez, King, Vardy etc. They were all lauded as top class players. Mahrez was apparently world class and there were talks of £80m bids from Barcelona! The same is currently happening with every Leipzig player. In reality, maybe one or two of their players are actually the meat, and the rest are just bone.

Keita may be the Kante of the team, who knows. But if even Kante was only valued at £30m after a stunning season in the Premier League in which he actually won the title, how is Keita worth double or as some reports suggest, triple that figure after a single season in which he failed to push his team on to the title?

It is clear Keita is a good player. Nobody can say how good though. It is purely speculation, prediction and assumption. He could be a Kante, or he could be a Drinkwater. If the figure was £30m I'd say take the punt. But £70-100m? And some people are trying to justify it? I'm still not buying it.

Then we have the cheek to laugh at United paying mega bucks for Pogba and Lukaku! Oh the irony.

Move on people. There are 1,000s of midfielders in Europe and I'm sure Keita is not the best option. Certainly not at the £100m RBLs chairman just suggested!

13.) 08 Jul 2017 11:41:18
Keita will sign.

Poker need to stop banging on about tapping up. It's is rife in football and other team sports. Part of business I'm afraid. Business isn't all sunshine and rainbows and if you think that it is then the world must be a very rosey place for you to live with your unicorn and pixies.

Even 'legitimate' deals have add ons, agent incentives and gifts. united and Chelsea bid the same figure for lukaku except the agent got a lot more from the united offer. so that's where his client is heading.

We have yet to be punished for any transfer outside our youth system and if it does come it shall be probably as severe as Ashley cole disgrace for Chelsea.

But until then pipe down about it all cos we will be signing Keita. possibly as early as next week. Let's support the lad and the team.

I agree with you MK about the price but this summer most transfers for teams in champions league will be inflated.

{Ed025's Note - tapping up is not "part of business" redx, its cheating and bribery and very wrong so dont try to condone it mate..

14.) 08 Jul 2017 11:50:10
Not condoning it but I'm not naive enough to think it's isolated to lfc.

{Ed002's Note - You are right - it is everybody else's fault. Pitiful.}

15.) 08 Jul 2017 11:59:55
Sorry ed are you saying that only LFC have ever done this or been accused? Liverpool have received no punishment besides the youth. Only prem team I can think of actually being severely punished for it is Chelsea.

Mark my words Keita will sign and no tapping up allegations will be made either so chill out. Boom.

{Ed025's Note - all im saying mate is that you dont want the name of LFC to be tainted any more than it is now and saying that other clubs act in this despicable way does not make it right..

16.) 08 Jul 2017 12:02:22
If it continues we deserve a ban. Maybe getting away with it so frequently hasn't taught us anything?

17.) 08 Jul 2017 12:09:10
Ed025 I agree with you 100% mate but RB have not and will not be making a complaint about Keita pal.

{Ed025's Note - maybe not redx, maybe more luck than judgement but i do agree with you that it should be dropped now as its getting repetitive..i would sooner concentrate on the players your not signing mate.. :)

18.) 08 Jul 2017 12:15:36
Hahah I agree Ed025, we can talk about left backs now!

{Ed002's Note - You need to understand that within European football Liverpool's behavior is worse than any other club. You clearly don't know anything of the Chelsea situation otherwise you would not have made such a stupid remark. You also seem to ignore the fact that a very significant fine was handed out to Everton for tapping up, and indeed that Liverpool are already serving one ban at the moment and have a pending court case that could have further repercussions. The last season the Liverpool were in Europe they faced more charges with UEFA than any other side. On two occasions the owners and the board have had to issue humiliating apologies to try and avoid charges - and one of those has not been withdrawn. Klopp deliberately unsettled players by taking several journalists aside and briefing them in order to deliberately unsettle the four targets he was sure he could sign this summer. Klopp made illegal and direct approaches to three of those players - that is tapping up. The club is not one of the "elite" European sides that meet a couple of times a year and plan the future - they are excluded from that. Certain clubs will not do business with Liverpool because of the way they behave. Liverpool need to sort their act out or they need to accept there are potentially very serious consequences. Right now they are bottom of the pile in European football.}

19.) 08 Jul 2017 12:15:36
Hahah I agree Ed025, we can talk about left backs now!

{Ed025's Note - yeah mate, robertson could be your marquee signing..i hope.. :)

20.) 08 Jul 2017 13:04:49
Hahah ed025 he will arrive I think as cover but who knows he may be the man for the job.

21.) 08 Jul 2017 13:58:37
I just don't know anymore, fans or so called fans are delusional.

22.) 08 Jul 2017 14:01:12
Hi Eds
Why is this kind of under the radar? I know it's done to death on here, but media wise you don't really see anything about tapping up. Obviously the VVD was well reported, but this has been going on for at lot longer. Just interested.

{Ed025's Note - because contrary to what people think on here its not that common mate, tapping up is quite serious and if the press get wind of it they are all over it like a bun on a boloni sandwitch, but most clubs play by the rules as far as im aware janmo..

23.) 08 Jul 2017 14:17:26
Thanks for the swift response. I find it really frustrating that all the hard work we have put in getting back into the champions league, and we could go in under cooked. If you want a player just put a decent bid in. Thanks great site.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..

24.) 08 Jul 2017 14:39:36
Teabag why is it delusional to think Keita will be a Liverpool player?

Enough people want to bad mouth Liverpool transfer activity on here yet RB have not and will not be making a complaint and Keita will sign for us.

all parties will be happy with the outcome.

{Ed002's Note - How do you know that they will not make a complaint. They don't wish to sell a player who Liverpool have illegally approached and tapped up. You are an idiot.}

25.) 08 Jul 2017 15:39:54
This is the longest repeat active thread I have seen on here for a while xD

I don’t see why we need to 'tap-up' players. But if we are that desperate and stupid why don’t we do it the smart way like Barca?
By this I mean Neymar has tried to convince Coutinho to join them and spoke to the press about him a lot.
We should get a player to do it then the club can be like "well he really likes him, not our fault" xD.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have already used a player to tap up others on behalf of the club - and not even players he knew. So that is worse.}

26.) 08 Jul 2017 20:21:29
Would be good but costs way too much.

27.) 08 Jul 2017 23:09:28
Every club that Mourinho managed tried to sign Gerrard.

On international duty Lampard and Terry were full time in his ear.

Fergie tried twice to sign him; same crack as above with Scholes and Neville in his ear.

Yap Stam told everyone in his book that Fergie had illegally approached him.
Thats why Fergie offloaded him.

The list could go on and on and not just transfers.

The russians doping scandle.

Look at Platini, Beckenbaur, Quatar The scams at Rangers involving players trusts.

The chairnan at Marseilles i think was jailed .

Even Ed mentioned about a champs league match that was suspicious.

I'd say there are many more as well but football is now big business and companies and clubs will try and do what they can to gain an advantage.

They all are guided by the 11th commandment.

28.) 09 Jul 2017 16:24:11
Thanks for the reply ed002 I didn’t even realize that xD
Seriously how stupid are we? If you are going to tap players up with other players, DO IT RIGHT (or just not at all) ridiculous how stupid we are with transfers

I get that the whole of football is corrupt but most teams/ managers/ players stop and stay low once in the limelight, yet we just carry on doing it like nothing bad will happen -. -.

29.) 10 Jul 2017 11:25:28
I might be miss remembering this but didn't the FA .................




24 Jun 2017 10:42:38
Ed002, any interest from Liverpool for Gaetan Laborde?


{Ed002's Note - I don't know of Liverpool interest in Gaetan Laborde. He is seen as a very average striker in France and there is a different Bordeaux player that Liverool has been keen on. Laborde is far from a regular goalscorer.}

1.) 24 Jun 2017 11:02:18
Is that Malcolm? Do we look like making an offer?

{Ed002's Note - Malcom - there has been a lot of interest from Liverpool.}

2.) 24 Jun 2017 11:03:13
Malcolm I assume Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Malcom.}

3.) 24 Jun 2017 11:04:19
Thanks Ed002.

4.) 24 Jun 2017 11:11:59
"Course you can Malcom! "
See how many oldies remember that line.

{Ed001's Note - I am obviously too young.....}

5.) 24 Jun 2017 12:18:58
Sadly I do . Vicks sinex.

6.) 24 Jun 2017 12:39:28
My dad still says it now! Im sure he would have preferred me to be called Malcolm.

7.) 24 Jun 2017 13:10:44
I don't know much about Malcom, but was he another alternative to the left winger? If so, the interest in this window must surely be gone now with the deal for Salah, am i right?

{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't think that Klopp would keep looking for more players in that position but given he will be playing at least one out of position then maybe. Or maybe he is interested in a striker who struggles for goals?}

8.) 24 Jun 2017 13:13:01
And me too.

9.) 24 Jun 2017 13:40:03
Malcom as left back. LOL.

10.) 24 Jun 2017 19:45:24
Gaetan Laborde? Sounds like the name of a drag act!
I still believe that Bobby Firmino will remain as our preferred striking option, with Sturridge and Solanke as back up/ cup players. I don't think Klopp really needs much more up front, he just needs to sort out the defence.



07 Jun 2017 17:38:08
Ed002, know of anything about the rumour of Sturridge being offered to Newcastle?


{Ed002's Note - I don't but Newcastle have already reached agreement to take a striker on loan.}

1.) 07 Jun 2017 17:52:38
Th Young st from Chelsea I'm I right.

{Ed002's Note - Abraham.}



05 Jun 2017 18:09:57
This could be the season where Liverpool smash the budget into pieces to once and for all get back to the top.

Scary stuff but if that is what the club is planning on doing then us fans will just go with the flow.

I just wonder who the club tends on seeing going as the figures we are about to spend will have to see more than one current players on their way. Let's hope it ain't Coutinho.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:40:22
I'm not concerned with the earlier fees at all as the game has somewhat changed, not just for us but the Premier League. The influx of TV money in the premier league, on top of the additional revenue we will provided by the Champions League (if we qualify) has me fairly chill about this issue. Don't think the club would also sign a CB and LW to cope with the departure of PC and we've been surprisingly quiet this summer with regards to 'Number 10' rumours.

2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:50:22
Likely to be: Sakho, Lucas, Stewart, Markovich, Moreno.

Personally also wouldn't be overly surprised by any one (s) of: Sturridge, Ojo, Ward, Ings, Klavan, Gomez, Milner, Coutinho (😩)

3.) 05 Jun 2017 19:09:23
Say with the likely there puzzled would raise £50 million to pay VVDs fee and the saving of wages. I'd like to see Ward, Gomez and Ings loaned out for fitness and experience. I'd like Sturridge and Couts stay. I do like Milner and he should stay as a good squad player but I think he will want 1st team action so may leave.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:10:46
I do not believe many understand how club finaces work. We earned massively the previous seasons from TV revenue and still Liverpool ended up making a significant loss in the last financials.

The new training facility will have to see Liverpool making up the numbers financially elsewhere. Increasing the wage bill considerably with the arrivals of VVD and Salah will punish the club.

You do understand that the wage bill makes up majority of Liverpool's spend each season? Therefore adding over £300k a week to our current wage bill 3rd highest in the League will have to see some of the current crop leave.

Transfer fees not the main issue as they get paid over a period, not in one go.

Lallana, Firmino, Mane and Gini can all play number ten. Even Salah.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 18:55:10
Gomez loan
Origi maybe in January
Wilson loan

Should be around £100m. So if all goes to plan we might still get a left back and one other. Happy days.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:30:41
Mark, it does not matter what we will be selling players for. The transfer fees we receive will not be paid in one go to us. We are probably some way off before Bournemouth finish paying for Ibe. Just like Suarez was only paid up by Barcelona this past season.

Our wage bill though is something which sees the club accounts with an exit of funds every week. Add VVD and Salah to the current bill, you can be rest assured that there will have to be quite a few exits in the summer, especially if we are planning on adding more players.



04 Jun 2017 06:49:41
Never heard of the player but Liverpool are reportedly eyeing a move for Anderlecht's Polish striker Lukasz Teodorczyk.


1.) 04 Jun 2017 08:41:57
As you would say, the Eds have repeatedly stated that interest on Merseyside is from Everton ;)




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17 Dec 2017 05:05:35
I think it is fair that we all want the same thing, and that is to win the EPL.

The club lost it's way starting with Souness taking over from Kenny, Roy still having the bootroom intact and then being sent packing, Houllier and Rafa dismantling the bootroom, Moores holding the club back with his greed, selling to H and G who leveraged the club at the banks, FSG having to pick up the pieces and managers who could not quite get to grips with the massive mountain they had to climb to try get the club back to the top.

The club is to blame for falling behind but I at this point I do see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Let's face it people, the club has been through turbulent times since we last won the title.

This season is what it is. Too much inconsistency. Far too many draws. City have left everyone behind this season. We need to work on finishing top 4 and getting as far as possible in the CL.

Keep the faith.


1.) 17 Dec 2017 08:14:27
Spot on, Max. The recent historyof the club is globally accurate as you describe it. I just feel that some people think we are better than we actually are which is wrong. The "We are Liverpool" brigade is not helping the situation. The "We should be challenging for this or that or We don't wanna be like Arsenal getting top 4 every season" narrative beggars belief. Anyone with an ounce can see how bang average we have been as a club for the past 25 years and still people this pathetic self-entitled attitude that even City don't even have.

Mistakes have been made from top to bottom for 27 years and if people think Klopp will just fix all these ills. they are dreaming. It is not Klopp or the owners fault as to why we have not won the PL since 1990. The owners have made mistakes BUT they are doing the right thing globally and Klopp is trying to rebuild us from the shambles the previous regime left behind. The draws do my head in as well as the inconsistencies.

Regardless, Klopp and the owners have taken us forward in two years from where we were where I could not tell you if we would beat Norwich at Anfield. Cos he has not won the PL or a trophy fast enough for some, does not change that. We need to be consistent at being good cos the potential is there for all to see. Up Da Pool!

2.) 17 Dec 2017 08:35:14
Klopp "If I'm here for 4 years we will win at least one title"

3.) 17 Dec 2017 09:05:44
Problem is it's not just City that are leaving us behind. We have drawn and lost more games in the league than we have won. We are currently 7th and 7 points off Chelsea and Utd (who we are more than happy to criticise) we are now also behind Arsenal (who we say are a spent force) yet if anyone slightly criticises any of the players (unless it's Mignolet or Milner that's allowed) or question a Klopp decision then they are accused of not being a proper fan and moaners. On our day we can be sensational but seven 1-0 wins are better than one 7-0 win. I think every football fan in the world regardless of their knowledge know our problems, it's our keeper, defence, set piece defending, too many many midfielders unable to play a penetrating pass and our consistency. These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise we haven't played this weekend yet right? That our defence has conceded just 4 goals in the last 8 Prem games? But I suppose that doesn't count for you does it? People only see what they want to see when it suits them to see it. Why don't you wait and see before whining about being 7 points behind? We could be 4, 6 or 7 in a few hours and then you can have something reasonable to say.}

4.) 17 Dec 2017 09:13:06
I also agree with what you say Max. We seem to have lurched from one crisis to another over the last 20 years. To be honest, I think it quite amazing considering our relatively poor trophy haul over the 20 years (a few notable exceptions such as Istanbul) that we are still globally in the top 10 biggest clubs - albeit probably 9th or 10th.

Klopp is the best manager we could have at this moment in time, I have no doubt. And from a selfish point of view, I love watching us play again. We aren't consistent, that is true, but with a bit more time and hard work we may just get there.

5.) 17 Dec 2017 10:10:06

"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "

So you expected Klopp to walk in and win the League? Irrespective of what Klopp has said and done, we are in a far better situation than we were when Rafa left us, Roy taking over and Rodgers flashing the cash all over the show.

It is not Klopp's fault that the club has not won the League over the last 27 years. Blame wants to be laid at his feet and what for.

We have no divine right to be called champions unless we can win the title. You support LFC because you love the club. You support the club through thick and thin irrespective of the failings. That is what a true supporter/ fan is about.

I am happy to give Klopp time to achieve the plan he has set out.

people keep on moaning about Klopp. Who the f*** should the club employ to replace them? Fact is that you will just get these fans say that it is the clubs job to replace Klopp. WITH WHO?

6.) 17 Dec 2017 10:10:51
Firstly I always think there's been a big cloud over the club since what happened on April 15th 1989 that we never really recovered from, as a club or a big red family.
The first thing we need to do is Stop selling our best players.
Suarez, Torres, Masch, Alonso, Sterling. probably Coutinho next!?
No matter what you think of these players, they all go to top clubs and start winning massive trophies, our problem is we want innocent Choir boys who are die hard Liverpool fans that never want to leave for trophies or money. Doesn't work like that you pay the best to be the best, half the Madrid fans HATE Ronaldo and boo him. Still win Chmapions Leagues for fun.

7.) 17 Dec 2017 10:31:51
Max where have I said I expected Klopp to walk in and win the league or it was his fault for us not winning the league in 27 years. I clearly said if anyone questioned him and pointed out that our weakness's were there before he came and are still there now. I'm a big fan of Klopps and I believe he is the right man for us but it doesn't mean he cannot be questioned for his decisions. Perhaps you should read comments properly before replying as that will save you a few minutes of your life writing an argument that wasn't even there in the first place.

8.) 17 Dec 2017 10:44:38

"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "

That is correct. Klopp took over two decades of this clubs failings. And you expected what from him for just being over two years in charge irrespective of what he has said and done?

He is slowly but surely fixing things. Rome was not built in one day.

9.) 17 Dec 2017 11:40:49
what two decades of failure are u guys taking about. till 2008 we were the number 1 team in europe under rafa and after that we started to go downhill. yes Rafa dis not win us the prem but made us a treat to anyone in Cl. if we had better owners at that time we might have won the prem. so please stop making Kloop what he is not, yes we got 4th last year but bare in mind kloop does have the support of better owners.

10.) 17 Dec 2017 11:29:57
No, Jayden said these have been "our weaknesses for years". Not 2 decades.
It is not 2 decades that we've had a problem with goalkeepers, it's since Reina left.
It's not 2 decades since we could defend including set pieces it's since Hyypia left.
It's not 2 decades since we've had a midfielder who can play penetrating passes, it's since Gerrard left

Where are the replacements for Reina, Gerrard and Hyypia? Karius, Matip and Oxlade Chamberlain? Those key positions have not been addressed by Klopp.

11.) 17 Dec 2017 12:28:08
Everyone referring back to the times we had Reina Gerrard hyppia etc. but yet we still didn’t win a league. Was probably easier back then aswell as it was before the crazy boom of tv money. Now we have likes of palace spending 25million on a player.

We had a bad start to the season defensively, but last 10-15 games it’s been okay since the spurs game. If we didn’t have that start we’d be comfortably in top 4. There’s still half a season to go. A defender in January and there’s no reason to not look to continue the run of keeping it solid at the back.

12.) 17 Dec 2017 12:33:29
Max like I said I like Klopp and as an attacking force on our day we are unrivalled. However Klopps blind faith to Mignolet and some of the defence/ midfield is hurting us. We spent £48 mill on 2 subs for the season when everyone knows we needed a keeper and centre half. Even though we didn't sign them we have Gomez and Karius/ Ward who could have been given games there this season.



16 Dec 2017 13:01:03
Intersting conversation in earlier posts about Pep Guardiola.

Let's face it, he was not keen on spending money on strengthening his defence, he broke transfer records signing attacking fullbacks to go all out attack.

They have not had much defending to do but Mane being sent off at Anfield this season gave him the edge. His CB's who have been poor for many a season have had all the freedom they require this season. Guardiola's CB's have had absolutely bugger all to do this season.

Guardiola has won many things in his time at different clubs but he was always been allowed the best players. Ask him to take over at Liverpool, a club which has been trying to get back to the top for season after season since the EPL began then he may very well struggle.

That is why Klopp is the perfect manager for us. He may not be the best manager but he will go through thick an thin to find the best solution to what has been made available to him. He is the best manager for our current situation.

Does anyone think Guardiola, Mourinho or Ancelotti will want to take on the job Klopp was presented?

At least we are not sitting with Allardyce.


1.) 16 Dec 2017 13:28:24
Completely agree with your post Max. It's funny, people think Guardiola is the best around, or some do and this I find hilarious, he isn't he's always had it pretty easy, going to teams who usually dominate or has the potential to dominate their league, if Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs approached him he wouldn't want to know because he'd do no better then your Wenger, Klopp or Poch. He went to City knowing full well he'd be able to splash the cash. I'd love to see him at a team without such privileges.

2.) 16 Dec 2017 13:30:48
They beat us at the Etihad not Anfield.

3.) 16 Dec 2017 13:46:40
Pep Guadiola won’t play Henderson as a DM nor splash £40 mill on AOC. That much is guaranteed if he was a Liverpool manager. Oh Yes. He would easily drop Mignolet for a good keeper and wouldn’t have gone without buying a defender in the window! There are many more differences between both only if you are interested to hear!

{Ed001's Note - how do you know what he would do? He is playing Fernandinho, a box-to-box midfielder as a DM now, why would he not play Henderson the same way? If he didn't get to spend nigh on £100m on keepers to replace Mignolet, would he drop him? He never bought a centre back either this season, despite having unlimited amounts of money to spend on one, so why would he do differently here? You talk nonsense based on your bias not on facts Harry.}

4.) 16 Dec 2017 14:59:11
Guardiola is a difficult one and for me will always have question marks about his ability until he is in charge of the underdog and challennging an established power and then producing the same results. It has been years since he has won the champions league and at his spell in Munich and last year with City he was lucky not to have been sacked for his performance. He also makes as many poor signings as Liverpool wherever he's been.
All of that taken into account at this point in this season his team have been fantastic and if they can do this in the next half of the season it will be one of the best title wins of all time, but it won't be that easy, they will hit some bad luck, lose some key players to injury etc. They really still have glaring weaknesses at the back and for me not a huge amount of strength in depth for the money they have spent.
I think eveyone should reserve getting wet over Guardiola until the end of they year see how both the league and champions league fare for him.

5.) 16 Dec 2017 15:10:26
And a very thoughtful thread led by the brilliant post from Max, goes to flames in a hand basket by Harry's usual posts, talking crap (Pep wanted the mighty Johnny Evans cos he could not get a top CB), slating Ox who is giving his all for the shirt and targeting Hendo BUT has no issue standing with a known sulk who does not wanna be here and plays like it.

Back to the thoughtful thread, Klopp is the perfect manager for us same way Poch is the perfect manager for Spurs. The diff. is Klopp has challenged the establishment (Bayern) before with a team built from scraps and won on several occasions with leagues and Cups to prove it. He transferred that success onto the CL where his BVB team terrorized all and sundry (including RM where Mou had a shed load of cash to spend) but lost narrowly to Bayern in the final.

He came to us in our worst moments and slowly BUT surely has improved us w/ o spending the type of cash City or Utd have spent near every season since 2014. He is the right manager for us and our financial situation. He is trying to do the same thing he did at BVB BUT the diff. is that he has way more money to spend and he did not have some fans turning on him at every negative result.

As for Pep, City was built for him before he even took over as Txiki Beguiristan (ex Barcelona team mate) is the DOF and former Barcelona admin. Fran Serrano is part of the setup. They will NOT quit on him and if all else fails, spend more money cos shoot, he's already spent half a billion in 2 seasons and counting. He would struggle at LFC way more than Klopp is as Klopp is a successful builder of teams while Pep wants ready made, limitless resources.

6.) 16 Dec 2017 15:11:32
Knew that was Harry before I saw the name! I even thought the same thing as Ed 001. BUT HE didn't BUY A CENTRE BACK WITH ALL THAT MONEY EVEN THOUGH HE ARGUABLY NEEDED ONE MIRE THAN US! You can’t say what he would or would not do at our club or any other club as the resources and situation are miles apart from his as Citeh. totally agree with the op but the rest is hypothetical nonsense from you as usual Harry.

7.) 16 Dec 2017 16:09:44
3 of the longest winning runs in the top 5 divisions have come from guardiola sides. He may manage the best, but he still gets the best from them. Yes he scraped fourth last season, but you will never see a seasoned guardiola side have an off season, like mourinho has, like klopp has like zidane is.

8.) 16 Dec 2017 16:20:58
Ha ha ha ha. Only liverpool fans on this page that honk Pep success is all about money. Do you guys ever step out of this group!

{Ed001's Note - again, as usual you make up stuff in your head. No one has said it is ALL about the money.}

9.) 16 Dec 2017 16:54:17
I see harry is using the example of pep buying the right players for a club that can pay the fees, wages of any player in the world as well as compete year in year out and then use that again to beat AOC. We are not Man City we can't spend 130mil on three full backs, we don't pay £300k a week grow up.

10.) 16 Dec 2017 17:39:41
I'm one of those that think Guardiola isn't that fantastic of a manager. What can't be denied though is that he has an idea of how he wants to play (especially in attack) and he goes after those players. Having large transfer funds obviously helps, but at this stage, his success can't be denied.
I don't rate him among the top tier coaches like SAF etc, especially seeing the way he destroyed a balanced Bayern team, but I must say I've a better opinion of him than I used to.

11.) 16 Dec 2017 18:10:04
Yes Pep has spent money but he’s spent it wisely and outside of a CB, has strengthened where the team needed strengthening. Spending huge doesn’t guarantee success, you only need to look at how much we’ve spent over the years without winning the league.

Guardiola has the team playing how he wants them to play and you can see how he’s installed a winning mentality into the players.

I’ve been a Liverpool fan for over 30 odd years and seen some fantastic teams. I think Pep needs a bit of credit because they are playing some fantastic football.

{Ed001's Note - but we have spent less than the top few, whereas City have spent more, so how can you suggest that us not winning shows that spending money does not work? I mean over the years the top spenders have not been us since the days we were winning league titles.}

12.) 16 Dec 2017 18:28:10
Klopp has yet to win anything at Liverpool. I think we need to wait before we hail him as the best available option.

13.) 16 Dec 2017 18:36:47
Only in recent times have the likes of City, Chelsea (2004 onwards ) etc spent more. . We’ve not won the league for 27 years but have spent serious money. The first opportunity we had to spend Big in one swoop and we blew it on Charlie Adam, Downing, Caroll. Etc.

I think Pep is doing an excellent job mate.

{Ed001's Note - and before that it was Man Utd who outspent us by a significant margin, and Blackburn did too for a short period, then Arsenal spent big etc. We have not been the biggest spenders since Fergie arrived in English football. The biggest spenders generally win the league. When they spend as ridiculously large as City do, it would be nothing short of embarrassing if they didn't win the league, especially for a second time of the obscene amounts they are spending.

However Pep is doing a good job, but how long for? Would he do as good a job if he had the same amount as the rest to spend? I very much doubt it. If every manager got the same amount to spend each season, would he still be top? I don't believe he would, as he struggles to get lesser players to play the way he wants them to.}

14.) 16 Dec 2017 18:41:50
I hear the arguments about unlimited funds but surely clubs with lots of money would only look to employ the best coaches? I think certain coaches are just winners at whatever cost,
weve had 2 draws its hardly sackable is it, cut the man some slack as you have no idea how much his hands may or may not be tied when it comes to transfers/ wages etc.

15.) 16 Dec 2017 19:05:05
Couldn’t agree more with you Ed001 regarding United.
Arsenal is an interesting one, Wenger, back in the day had a good eye for plucking overseas players for fairly reasonable trenasfer fees.

I think it’s a similar secenario with Klopp, he needs the right players to play the system he wants.

{Ed001's Note - Wenger spent big money, it was somehow reported as reasonable fees, but it was comparatively big money for the time. The likes of Overmars were not cheap, they were bought for big fees. Wiltord was a huge fee when he arrived etc. The problem came when he believed the hype and tried to spend the same amount with no accounting for inflation in the transfer fees. He wasn't buying one or two players either, he was buying a fair few and they were using Beveren as a finishing school for the youngsters. It all went wrong when the belt was tightened and spending was limited.}

16.) 16 Dec 2017 20:10:45
if established top notch players earn over £200k + a week then there is only 3 teams in the league paying that kind of money, city and united probably have 10 players on that kind of money. That's why us and spurs have to look for the younger versions of those top players who will inevitably leave when they reach that elite level. Coutinho will leave I'm sure Salah will eventually if he keeps playing how he is now over a sustained period. We are not alone Sanchez and Ozil are about to leave arsenal and I fully expect Kane, Rose, Ali to leave spurs as soon as one of the big 3 wage payers decide they want one of them.

17.) 16 Dec 2017 23:32:24
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03 Dec 2017 14:36:21
What a result yesterday. We are climbing up the table which can only be a good thing.

Mane not even playing and we are smashing teams. There was notion that we were buggered without Mane a while ago.

I think the most important thing here is Klopp has developed a team without dedicated or natural playing positions which is a massive bonus when it comes to rating the squad.

That is what we need, the message that no player in our squad is bigger than the club. You either put in a shift or be benched.

Top 4 and beyond, fingers crossed, here we come.


1.) 03 Dec 2017 15:56:03
very good point max. yes I remember people saying without mane we struggle. we have such a wealth of talent. Its such a shame couts wants out, coz this lot will win something soon. too good not to. fa cup perhaps.

2.) 03 Dec 2017 17:39:13
Last season it was pretty obvious we struggled without Mane. It wasn't just hear say. However it looks like Klopp also identified it and it's been rectified this season.

3.) 03 Dec 2017 22:09:44
Just needs the defence and keepers rectified now!



27 Nov 2017 17:42:14
Only 2 points separating us from 4th and 6 separating us from second.

Considering the up and down season we have had, that is not too bad.

We have qualified for the next round of the CL unless Spartak can overturn a massive goal difference and we have yet to lose in the group stage.

Overall, it has not been a disaster of a season and still many games ahead.

City steamrolling at the moment and a cut above the rest. Season is still alive and far from over.

Keep the faith.


1.) 27 Nov 2017 17:52:34
Spot on, Max. Spurs for example, have been dreadful in the PL since they beat us as we have gotten 10 points from 12 and Surs have gotten 4 points from 12. I don't see their fans losing their minds and questioning Poch.

I wish many of us altho frustrated with the result, show some perspective and big picture thing on the season cos really bar City and to some extent Utd, every one else in the top 6 have been up and down so all we have to do is realize that we are in the mix of top 4 REGARDLESS of all our issues (which is a small miracle in itself) so we have to focus on each game and give it 100%. I expect a strong lineup vs Stoke and hopefully, we can get a win.

2.) 27 Nov 2017 17:55:14
Its head to head record in CL group stages, If Spartak record a slender 1-0 win over us, We are out.

3.) 27 Nov 2017 18:10:32
Ok, missed the head to head record. We are at home and we have coped pretty well in the group stage.

Draw sees us through and we are at Anfield.

4.) 27 Nov 2017 18:33:57
The harsh reality is that we’re closer to Everton on points than City.

5.) 27 Nov 2017 18:51:51
At the end of the day we can only really judge the season at the end of it. As it stands 6 points off 2nd doesn't sound too bad but also the fact we have yet to break into the top 4 this season also tells another story. Yes we are very much on the brink of the CL knockout stages we could easily be pushed into the Europa League. CL group stage we have only beaten Slovenian oppositon this season in the group stage. Top 4 and a trophy would be a very successful season but we are also just as likely to end up with neither as we are with 1 or both.

6.) 27 Nov 2017 19:21:56
your right Max only 2 points from 4th place, but here is the thing, we should have got them 2 points on Sat, or V man ure, who only wanted to park the bus,
the truth is that right now we are off the pace, not in the top four cos we don't have enough points,
I am not blaming Klopp, but we were in front the last two games and should have won both,
I have heard that he was annoyed about not being able to bring on a sub, are we the only team that has had this problem,
Mane def should have been on a lot earlier, Sturridge on too long, a defender should have been brought on to shore up the leaking defence, while Chelsea threw everything at us, Klopp did not respond to their very offensive subs,
it was not to right time to rest two of our best players, Wed night would have been a better time,
that said, its time to move on and grab 3 points from the Stoke game, who are struggling at the moment .

7.) 27 Nov 2017 19:33:42
Tottenham have the same points now as they did at this stage last season, when many said they could win the title.
Most years of the Premier League Man United's points tally would have them clear at the top at this point.
That takes the top two out of contention as they are playing well or grinding out wins.
We are doing well so far this year. Defense is not as bad as the pundits make out, but we do make more individual errors than most because we don't have a true leader back there.
I look at the number if chances we create and wonder just where we would be with a proper goal scorer up top, as well as Salah. He is scoring so many, yet misses even more, it's frightening. Against Sevilla we created something like treble the chances they did, but came away with the same number of goals.

No need to be negative, we are doing well. We were 5 minutes away from top 4 in Saturday. My only issue, and its small, is that Klopp does not use his substitutions quick enough. We could all see us dropping deeper and deeper from about 70 mins against Chelsea, and Conte was making subs to up that, but we waited until 80+ minutes to react and it cost us the match.

One thing is for sure, our matches are entertaining.

8.) 27 Nov 2017 19:43:09
Wat do we expect our squad is sixth best in league I ain't surprised we never strengthened the obvious areas in summer, all them teams above have players with big time character in I notice ours hasn't an I don't think klopp likes a challenge in that way say a ibrahimovic, David luiz, delli Alli, Sanchez, ozil, players with arrogance I believe these type of players although problematic they are winners, we need more character!

9.) 27 Nov 2017 23:17:44
City wi have their dip as well,

We need to concentrate on improving our defence and keeper,
Ward and Robertson must wonder if they will ever get a game,

Someone will have to explain to me how keeping Ward from a loan at another Prem side is beneficial to us and the player?

10.) 27 Nov 2017 23:58:21
Something to be positive about, we have gained 3 more points than the corresponding fixtures last season.
Replaced Hull with Newcastle, Sunderland with Brighton and Middlesbrough with Huddersfield.
Watford 0-1 Liverpool Watford 3-3 Liverpool (-2 points)
Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace (+3 points)
Liverpool 3-1 Arsenal Liverpool 4-0 Arsenal (SAME)
Man City 1-1 Liverpool Man City 5-0 Liverpool (-1 point)
Liverpool 2-1 Burnley Liverpool 1-1 Burnley (-2 points)
Leicester 3-1 Liverpool Leicester 2-3 Liverpool (+3 points)
Hull 2-0 Liverpool Newcastle 1-1 Liverpool (+1 point)
Liverpool 0-0 Man United Liverpool 0-0 Man United (SAME)
Spurs 1-1 Liverpool Spurs 4-1 Liverpool (-1 point)
Liverpool 3-0 Middlesbrough Liverpool 3-0 Huddersfield (SAME)
West Ham 0-4 Liverpool West Ham 1-4 Liverpool (SAME)
Liverpool 0-0 Southampton Liverpool 3-0 Southampton (+2 points)
Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea (SAME)

11.) 28 Nov 2017 00:57:01
Thought that was Ron for a second. I’ll be happy with top 4. Knock out stages of champs and a decent fa cup run atm. Keita to come in. Hopefully use to coutinho money to get the right cb and gk in. Keep salah and mane and give Klopp another go next season.

12.) 28 Nov 2017 08:29:52
I agree with your posts, Andy BUT the whole Klopp-subs stuff to me is a red herring. When we scored vs Chelsea, Wiji came on ASAP to help the midfield. That regardless of the result, was a good sub to make. The Lallana one is to me going by what Klopp said, is bizarre and I know Lallana was ready to come on BUT for some reason, the ref kept delaying it.

Same with Seville. When we were under the cush after the second goal (2 mins after the first), Klopp put on Milner and Can to stabilize the issue and to some extent, it worked and would have had the last goal not happened. What I am saying is that a negative result, does not mean that a sub was not the right one to make at the time it was made. The examples I posted proves that. At the same time, you can make a wrong sub and still win and the fact that you won does not make the sub a good decision.



20 Nov 2017 18:16:41
Why does it feel like Salah is one of the best signings we have made in a very long time?

You ain't going to see this player bite people, go on strike or throw his toys. He did not do it at Chelsea even when he was probably earning a massive pay package and hardly played.

Not trying to blow smoke up Salah's arse but I am struggling to see a more humble football player anywhere at the moment.


1.) 20 Nov 2017 18:33:01
I don’t understand what you mean by humble, how is Salah any more humble than Firmino, Moreno or any other player?

2.) 20 Nov 2017 18:50:00
You are missing my point when he has come at a massive transfer fee on his shoulders, had criticism that he needs 20000 chances before he scores etc yet.

Moreno has had his dig at supporters who have challenged him.

Salah just keeps on smiling. It is like nothing bothers him and Klopp does not have to give him hugs to boost his ego either.

{Ed002's Note - It's wind.}

3.) 20 Nov 2017 19:11:48
I had my doubts about Salah especially the way Rodgers mucked about pissing him off when Liverpool attempted to sign him the first time round.

Salah made it clear how he was screwed around by Liverpool and look now, holds no grudges and leading scorer in the EPL.

Now he is happy because he got the move he originally wanted and proving he is worth every penny Liverpool are paying him.

Without a doubt our best player this season hands down and let me tell you, the only way Salah has done that is with pure dedication.

4.) 20 Nov 2017 19:59:12
Salah is quality and his attitude is a big positive for the team and hope it rubs off on to his team mates.
I think he has to be favourite for player of the season for us.




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15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.




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11 Aug 2017 17:53:15
No to any Barcelona player which is surplus thank you very much.

Luckily LFC have zero interest in Barcelona players :-)




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11 Aug 2017 17:51:19
FSG + Benitez = ice cold water into a pot of boiling hot oil.

It ain't going to happen. Benitez had his time at Liverpool so let sleeping dogs lie.




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10 Aug 2017 20:38:35
I highly doubt another bid would have been made so soon with the Dembele offer being waved away.




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09 Aug 2017 21:58:00
"We understand Barca’s latest offer was €85m (£77m) up front plus €15m (£13m) in add-ons"

That is a vast amount of cash up front :-O

It is clear Liverpool want to keep Coutinho.





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17 Dec 2017 10:53:20
Players should be banned from using social media and doing their talking through club services.

Unfortunately player power is the poison.




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17 Dec 2017 10:44:38

"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "

That is correct. Klopp took over two decades of this clubs failings. And you expected what from him for just being over two years in charge irrespective of what he has said and done?

He is slowly but surely fixing things. Rome was not built in one day.




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17 Dec 2017 10:29:58
Ron, funny that you mention our defenders need to be quick.

Our fullbacks are quick, so are City's wingbacks.

City's CB's are slow but Guardiola has developed a system and has players at his disposal where his CB's are on holiday as they never have anything to do.

Our CB's do not have to be super quick. They just need to use their brains which they have been unable to do.

Saying that, our defence has improved leaking goals left right and centre. You cannot blame Klopp for taking action to not see us concede game in and out. Let's just give Klopp a freaking break.

Top 4 obviously the aim now as well as getting as far as possible in the CL. At least we are not sitting in a situation like with Rodgers coming close to winning the League, failing miserably in the CL and then see the empire crumble into pieces afterwards. We finished 4th last season and this season doing well in the CL too. Baby steps.

At this very point top 4 end of the season will be a blessing in disguise.




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17 Dec 2017 10:10:06

"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "

So you expected Klopp to walk in and win the League? Irrespective of what Klopp has said and done, we are in a far better situation than we were when Rafa left us, Roy taking over and Rodgers flashing the cash all over the show.

It is not Klopp's fault that the club has not won the League over the last 27 years. Blame wants to be laid at his feet and what for.

We have no divine right to be called champions unless we can win the title. You support LFC because you love the club. You support the club through thick and thin irrespective of the failings. That is what a true supporter/ fan is about.

I am happy to give Klopp time to achieve the plan he has set out.

people keep on moaning about Klopp. Who the f*** should the club employ to replace them? Fact is that you will just get these fans say that it is the clubs job to replace Klopp. WITH WHO?




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16 Dec 2017 13:02:43
Karius is being geared up and prepared for next season. He looks 100% more assured than Mignolet on the pitch.