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27 Aug 2018 21:06:47
any updates on ojo?

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - He has no future at Liverpool and there is interest from Middlesbrough - expect him to leave this week.}


1.) 27 Aug 2018 23:21:59
Shame that, thought he was going to be a good player for us. Good luck to the lad.
Wasn’t he thought of as one of the best young prospects in the world at one time? Sure Ed002 once said something along those lines? I could be mistaken.

{Ed002's Note - In 2013 he was pointed out as one of a handful of players who would do well when they grew up.}


2.) 27 Aug 2018 23:54:10
I thought he looked really good when he played a bunch of league games during our Europa League run a couple of seasons ago but he doesn’t seem to have kicked on since then.


3.) 28 Aug 2018 00:53:22
Shame, you always hope academy products will succeed. He's been unlucky with injuries and at times it felt like the club not having concrete plan for him may have hindered his development. That said, he isn't where he needs to be to mount a challenge for first team football. Physically he's definitely there, but he has been from a young age. Mentally he doesn't seem sharp enough and he;s always lacked consistency when on loan (even when given regular game time), especially with regards to his end product.

Best of luck to the lad though, hope he gets a move and regular football. Who knows, might just be a late bloomer that turns into a world beater.


4.) 28 Aug 2018 08:08:33
It's a real shame, I really thought he was going to be the next big thing for us a few years ago, unfortunately it didn't work out for him. Good luck to the lad, fingers crossed he has a great career elsewhere.


5.) 27 Aug 2018 23:45:31
Wow, was it that long ago. What happened to him Eds? Don’t remember seeing any bad press about him, did he just not progress as well as expected or did the club not make the best decisions regarding his development?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any bad press for him - but Liverpool's focus is very much on bringing players in from outside so he won't get the chances he perhaps thinks he deserves.}


6.) 28 Aug 2018 10:43:59
He's suffered quite a few injuries in the last two years. He broke a bone in his neck two seasons ago and then he dislocated his shoulder last season.
Unfortunately these seem to have stunted his progress.
It's a shame as Robertson, TAA and Gomez have shown that Klopp has trust in youth and with TAA and Gomez will promote from within if he thinks they're good enough.

{Ed002's Note - TAA yes, Roberton was not first choice for the club and Gomez is only playing as cover. The clubs plan right nopw is to buy the Premier League at all cost - and the debt has been increasing again at an alarming rate in order for them to do that.}


7.) 28 Aug 2018 11:14:00
Apparently stad reim are a possible destination on loan.

{Ed002's Note - Stade de Reims would be a very poor choice (although they are still looking for a couple of loans) due to language issues if nothing else. Whilst many of the players will speak English the club is full of African players from French speaking nations and an Argentine player who speaks fluent French. If a deal can be struck with Middlesbrough it should provide a good opportunity for him.}


8.) 28 Aug 2018 16:24:46
To be fair Nathan AKe was on that list as well. Things don't always work out.

{Ed002's Note - The list was written when the players were young and unknown. Ake is a full Dutch International and a starter in the Premier League, he has a Europa League winners medal etc.. This type of post is a demonstration of why it is pointles sharing anything interesting with the Liverpool supporters to be honest. I'll avoid it in the future.}


9.) 28 Aug 2018 19:09:40
redphil, Ake has achieved a significant amount compared to Ojo who is still waiting to have a full season at any clhb.

Whilst they were both very highly rated at a young age, clearly Ake has shown that he can perform at a high level. Compared to Ojo who hasn’t other then sporadic games in the championship.

I apologise Ed I enjoy the valued knowledge that you have imparted on us and find it very interesting and I agree with what you have said with regards to Ojo.


10.) 28 Aug 2018 19:54:59
Ed002 - I' now highly confident that you don't know your eggs when it comes to Liverpool's finances. The intention isn't to buy the league - just to compete given better commercial performance, and consecutive champions league qualifications. Last year's figures, when released later this year show a large profit, in part due to the Coutinho sale, but also, a sizeable sale of players, bookable in that financial period.

The investment for this season is higher, but it's nowhere near the heights of City and Chelsea way back when. When accounting for inflation, Liverpool are nowhere near those two clubs in terms of outlay - and the debt is manageable, and not much higher than last seasons finances.

I seem to remember Chelsea buying the league a few years back, and since they stopped spending, they haven't amounted to much. Funny that.

{Ed002's Note - You moronic posts about finances are embarrassing. Please tell me how much money will be shown in last years figures for the sale of Coutinho? Why do you keep mentioning other clubs who don't even appear in the list of the most debt ridden clubs - it is embarrassing. It think you will find Chelsea might have done OK in recent years - this sort of trash makes you look particularly stupid. Liverpool are the fifth most debt rifden club in World football from the latest figures submitted, and the growth rate is the second highest year on year.}


11.) 28 Aug 2018 20:06:17
ED02 I always enjoy your input and look through the posts for nuggets like these.

If you do not engage the LFC supporters then their only form of education is the usual media and socual media.
I think a lot of visters/ posters to this site are still in transition and crossing over from the junk in mainstream media, hence their lack of knowledge and their narrow viewpoints.

Remember that there are many of us who value your work, along with the other ED's too.
It is just abt a little perseverance with us at times!

I have not bothered to read any sports back pages since discovering this site, which is a testomant to you and all the EDs

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - You are very sweet.}


12.) 28 Aug 2018 20:48:20
....

{Ed002's Note - We are not going to post your rubbish - you don’t seem keen on what Liverpool will be declaring in the accounts for Coutinho - and seemingly have zero grasp of the situation at the club at all.}


13.) 28 Aug 2018 23:07:34
I agree with RedKurd, Ed02's insights are always helpful and illuminating. His comments about Liverpool's debt prompted me to do some research and I found those figures in UEFA's Club Licensing Benchmark Report 2016 (latest) . Slide 122!
The debt figures are concerning (although multiple of revenue isn't too bad) and I would agree that Liverpool are spending big to win silverware. not the first club to have tried this. Satisfying to see Utd still on top!
Ed02, I wonder whether Liverpool's growth rate that year was particularly high due to the Main Stand/ shop development and the low-interest loan from FSG (1.24% according to the Telegraph)? I'm not sure if it was that financial year?
With increased matchday revenues from the redevelopment, recent new sponsorship deals and the revenue boost from reaching the Champions League final (hopefully not a one-off), do you think the debt position will improve or is this an ongoing high-leverage strategy? Within FFP rules, of course.

{Ed002's Note - The increased match day income is minimal. The increased PL money is not. The money spent in cash this year and in 2017 is very significant (including £79M in payments for players purchased but not paid for in previous years. All but £5M of the money spent on VVD and the agent fees was in cash. We are going to give up again on the money as it is clear people simply don’t get it.}


14.) 28 Aug 2018 23:17:25
@Vagus : “Ed002 - I' now highly confident that you don't know your eggs when it comes to Liverpool's finances. ”


Hmmm, you may want to have a rethink on that.

I’m pretty certain ed002 knows more than you do about our finances. 👍.


15.) 29 Aug 2018 00:32:34
Ed02, please don’t let the stupid internet trolls ruin things for everyone. It is clear that some of the people who visit this site only do so to get a rise out of fans and make everyone look bad. I think I speak for most here when I say that your posts provide excellent insight into the club. Thanks for all you do.

{Ed002's Note - It means that we have to be careful what is shared and which questions are answered.}


16.) 29 Aug 2018 05:30:57
It's ok for the club to carry some debt so long as yearly revenue exceeds debt service and expenditures by a considerable margin. The club's name still has value and the owners can sell it with the attached debt if they so choose. What's more troubling is that the club seems to be had in the market again and again. Why are we paying the majority of transfer fees in single installments upfront and selling players for fees paid in installments?

{Ed001's Note - not sure how that is being had? It means there is regular income from the instalments, while the outgoings are pretty much accounted for immediately. Payment terms make little real difference in that respect, there are pros and cons to either way of doing it.}


17.) 29 Aug 2018 07:03:14
Ojo isn’t good enough. I have said that on here time and time again, I have never seen the hype with him. Hopefully for his sake he can move on to a level more suited to his game currently and build himself up and prove me wrong but for me we are 100% correct in getting rid.


18.) 29 Aug 2018 09:18:49
Ahhh it's that time of year again when a new poster of limited experience tries to 'teach' ED002 about finances. I always enjoy the Ed's responses to these - thanks for the info Ed;s, as always it is appreciated.


19.) 29 Aug 2018 10:09:26
I don’t think Ojo was given enough first team opportunities.

The few chances he got he didn’t look out of place IMO.


20.) 29 Aug 2018 12:19:11
Ojo was injured several times both with us and on loan and by the time he came back, he'd just been firmly overtaken by others so that even if Klopp at some point decides to give our youth products some chances, it won't be him (particularly Wilson and Woodburn) . It's sad but it's life and he's making the right decision at 21, where he needs to be starting to get regular full games to progress. Hopefully he stays injury free and salvages a bright and positive career.


21.) 29 Aug 2018 19:12:32
Re% the debt, its it look y to be something that is sustainable with current TV revenues or will it likely end up outstripping even that?

{Ed002's Note - It needs to be dealt with.}


 

 

19 Aug 2018 11:58:41
Any update on what's going to happen with Origi?

The Southern Red

1.) 19 Aug 2018 13:40:57
With Ings gone, with rumours of Solanke being looked at for a loan up North, and with Sturridge's uncertain fitness/ injuries long term outlook, it seems to me that Origi will be kept for the season. Or maybe he'll go out on loan and Solanke will be kept. I will add that I feel a loan would do Solanke more good than it would do Origi. He's had a few and not really gotten anywhere.


2.) 19 Aug 2018 15:56:42
Dortmund apparently interested.


 

 

02 Aug 2018 18:57:26
Any update on why Gruijc hasn’t left on loan yet? Is it the possibility of a permanent move to Lazio?

The Southern Red

1.) 02 Aug 2018 22:25:54
Lazio would be a good move. However game time in domestic cup games could give equivilant expierence if we go on good cup runs. Will give Klopp a good gage on where he is at in comparison to only getting 10/ 15 games from bench at Lazio.


2.) 02 Aug 2018 22:27:05
Yeah it'd be interesting to know what's going on with him and a few others we expect to be leaving, going to be a busy week for players leaving I think.


3.) 02 Aug 2018 22:40:33
They want him to replace milinkivic and he hasn't left yet so don't need him.


4.) 02 Aug 2018 23:01:11
Think Klopp likes idea of loaning to British club. I’d says cardiff return best bet for him and think it will do him and ya the world of good.


5.) 02 Aug 2018 23:36:42
Players can leave for European clubs right up until the end of August, nothing needs to be sorted in the next week unless it’s to another English club.


6.) 03 Aug 2018 08:10:31
True Kramer, I keep forgetting about that mate.


 

 

29 Jul 2018 15:41:29
Chirivella off to Rosenberg, good luck to him!

apparently there is a buy back clause included.

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25 Jul 2018 21:34:40
i noticed Hyypia was in some of the photo's in the US, is he back at the club in some capacity?

The Southern Red

1.) 26 Jul 2018 06:48:24
They take a few Legends to ease the press commitments for the playing staff. God is there, and one more who I'm struggling to remember.


2.) 26 Jul 2018 06:56:31
Riise and Rush are out there too I believe.

{Ed025's Note - freeloading has-beens bleeding the club dry..


3.) 26 Jul 2018 07:26:37
Ed25, fantastic mate, great to laugh at this early hour, top man.

{Ed025's Note - i leave being miserable to stevie gerrard mac.. :)


4.) 26 Jul 2018 07:39:35
Price you Ed025 pay for having world class players, does Binman still turn out for the Blues?

{Ed025's Note - now your talking world class KC, big nev is still around the club mate.. usually near the canteen.. :)


5.) 26 Jul 2018 08:15:28
Eating his way through the clubs coffers - love it, thanks Ed025 you have made my day.


6.) 26 Jul 2018 08:32:07
Love the humour, Ed. Takes a lot to put a smile on my face, cus I'm a miserable sod! Have a good day, mate. All the best.

{Ed025's Note - you too mate..


7.) 26 Jul 2018 10:00:28
Pass on all our regards to Neville Southall Ed025, his anti-austerity tweets were bang-on.
Tell him to keep the red flag flying, so to speak, haha.

{Ed025's Note - i will do juicer, but it will probably be by a chippy in llandudno mate..


8.) 26 Jul 2018 12:07:40
I was a kid in the Liverpool v Everton FA cup final in 1986. My dad took me to the team hotel where Everton were staying before the final. I met most of the players including Tony Cottee and big nev.

Big Nev let me (aged 7) take penalties against him in the car park - a couple of hours before they left for the match. Ill never forget it, good lad!

Met him again when I was aged 35 at a charity football tournament where he was playing for a vets team and I had a team out. I asked him if I could take a pen then, but he wouldn't have a bar of it!


 

 

 

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31 Aug 2018 07:29:25
I for one am excited for these draws in league cup and champions league, nothing better than watching us play well against a strong opposition.

I know someone like MK dons would be easier but it’ll be a more (hopefully) exciting game.

The Southern Red

1.) 31 Aug 2018 10:29:00
Still think we'll play a half team at best v Chelsea in the cup. I don't think klopp will see it as a priority at all this year especially if we are still doing very well in the league.

I think he'll just see how far we can get with a second string team plus youngsters.


 

 

29 Aug 2018 20:37:51
Isn’t it mad that we only have 2 players 30 or over in the whole squad! (Unless it’s incorrect and it’s still crazy)

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23 Aug 2018 09:26:38
So Arroyo has left Mallorca B to join Awoniyi at Gent, I am assuming the aim is to improve his chances of getting a work permit.

The Southern Red

1.) 23 Aug 2018 10:00:49
Hopefully mate.


2.) 23 Aug 2018 14:24:51
YNWA Salah.


3.) 23 Aug 2018 16:19:46
Hi salah mate what a top post that is so overwhelmed to see you back posting. Mate just wish you and your family very best of luck in the future. Mate we really missed you.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 20:28:56
well atleast now we can rule out the kovacic rumours from the last 4 seasons.

The Southern Red

1.) 08 Aug 2018 20:56:28
Poor Harry.

Speaking of Harry, where are you mate, you must still read the pages? would be interesting to hear what you think of our transfer business this summer?


2.) 08 Aug 2018 21:04:57
This would be the same Kovacic who couldn't get in the Madrid side?


3.) 08 Aug 2018 21:08:25
I thought it was common knowledge which username Harry was using now? Haven't you been discussing things today with him?


4.) 08 Aug 2018 21:13:41
Be careful what you ask for Salah, because you just might get it, LOL. 😁.


5.) 08 Aug 2018 21:25:34
Haha too true Ra mate lol!


6.) 08 Aug 2018 22:04:58
Tbh I have no idea which username Harry is using now, although I miss his posts.

In line with that, MK I know you are reading please come back!


7.) 08 Aug 2018 22:33:04
Yeah well if Hatry wants to stay under the radar more power to him, although he's still a regular poster, always thought him and Adam were excellent contributors to the site.


8.) 08 Aug 2018 23:10:52
MK has a new job working longer hours but he's still about, just not quite as much as he used to be.


9.) 09 Aug 2018 00:47:09
Oh I know that feeling Salah. Working Sunday so may not get to see the game😡.

{Ed0333's Note - I remember when Hodgson was our manager I used to prey I’d be working so I didn’t have to watch the game.


10.) 09 Aug 2018 02:13:18
He isn't the player we need. Chelsea are building a tasty team. I keep saying it. But jorginio. He is building a team around him.

So what, we have Mo Salah.


11.) 09 Aug 2018 01:13:41
Thanks Ed0333 you just had to go and remind me about the RH era as I reach for the Vodka and Valium to take me to a happy place😭.

{Ed0333's Note - Believe me Barry I have pretty much erased that mans face from my memory bank. I’ll never forgive Cecil the clown for getting rid of Rafa and hiring the owl. I still remember the day I was backpacking in Australia I watched the game in a casino and ridiculous o’clock in the morning, Joe Cole was making his debut and got sent off. That set the tone for the Roy Hodgson era and it went downhill from there extremely quickly. Terrible terrible appointment.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 12:33:45
i am not saying from a transfer perspective but with Lallana, he always seems to frustrate me.

what do you think he needs to do to get back to his form which made Klopp love him so much.

His ball release is too slow in my opinion and making the wrong decisions at key moments.

The Southern Red

1.) 08 Aug 2018 12:47:57
Think we may have moved on from him think the Ed’s were saying if a good bid comes in he will leave but with his injuries there seems to be no takers. Personally I don’t think he is the next level we need to win PL but maybe a good squad player. Only my opinion mind
Up the pool.


2.) 08 Aug 2018 12:59:20
You right Southern in the final third he has very little end product.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 13:38:29
Get fit.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 13:51:33
He needs match fitness to regain his pre-injury form.

Timing of runs and passes only comes with match experience. Same with Sturridge, needs 15 consecutive games 🤝.


5.) 08 Aug 2018 13:52:02
He's always been too slow to release the ball regardless of his injury. I think at the time when Klopp took over he was far and away the best presser of the ball and he played a big role in our team because of it, but now we've added in quality who can also press well I just don't see how he fits in the starting 11.


6.) 08 Aug 2018 14:35:17
Agree with the consensus here. He definitely needs to get match fit, but all in all, I think the team has surpassed the level he is capable of performing at.


7.) 08 Aug 2018 16:43:06
Pressing definitely contributes to slow ball release.


 

 

 

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31 Aug 2018 07:24:25
A real pitta indeed.

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28 Aug 2018 19:09:40
redphil, Ake has achieved a significant amount compared to Ojo who is still waiting to have a full season at any clhb.

Whilst they were both very highly rated at a young age, clearly Ake has shown that he can perform at a high level. Compared to Ojo who hasn’t other then sporadic games in the championship.

I apologise Ed I enjoy the valued knowledge that you have imparted on us and find it very interesting and I agree with what you have said with regards to Ojo.

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28 Aug 2018 11:14:00
Apparently stad reim are a possible destination on loan.

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{Ed002's Note - Stade de Reims would be a very poor choice (although they are still looking for a couple of loans) due to language issues if nothing else. Whilst many of the players will speak English the club is full of African players from French speaking nations and an Argentine player who speaks fluent French. If a deal can be struck with Middlesbrough it should provide a good opportunity for him.}


 

 

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20 Aug 2018 13:57:18
Is there a possibility that they could both leave and we have the youngsters as back up.

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06 Aug 2018 10:42:43
Where would he fit in, we have a front three. He would want to be a regular starter.

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15 Sep 2018 19:07:54
There is no logic to this unless it’s an attacking change or an injury, it just unsettled the back line that had kept a clean sheet away to Tottenham up until that point.

It’s one of the few things that frustrates me about Klopp.

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05 Sep 2018 09:31:46
The Denmark situation is a mess, surely this will have a greater impact on wider teams as I reckon a few of those players will have clauses about being called up to the national team.

Clubs will have to pay out because the main players aren’t playing.

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04 Sep 2018 22:15:37
Agree on Harry Kewell without injuries he would of been class!

Youngster has to be Dani Pacheco always hoped he’d make it!

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21 Aug 2018 17:48:30
It is a) we have a really strong squad and b) Klopp is letting him get up to speed on the way we play.

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08 Aug 2018 12:32:23
tomorrow.

The Southern Red