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28 Nov 2014 02:50:44
I think Rodgers Should turn to youth for the next game vs stoke simply because it's a guarantee they will die trying to impress I'd bring in Ward for Mignolet he can't be as bad and hopefully he's can show us he's worth the 1st team. I'd bring in Rossiter for allen I think his tackling and the way he changes defense into attack is what we are missing. And maybe Brannagan off the bench for Lallana or Coutinho I think his through passes are sublime and would feed lambert or borini goals all day. Cheers just my opinion btw

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28 Nov 2014 03:56:59
Ward will be a very good option for Migs. Rossiter is a very good defensive midfielder, someone who could replace Lucas.
Allen is a completely different player to Rossiter.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Rossiter is not a defensive midfielder mate, he is far more than that, it would be a waste of his talents to have him holding. Allen is completely different in terms of level, but he does try and fill the same role that would best suit Rossiter.}

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28 Nov 2014 05:48:09
Ed01, fair reply mate.
But would you play Rossitter along with Lucas or Allen?
I wouldn't play him alongside Lucas.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I would play him alongside Lucas and Allen I would sell. Lucas provides protection for the back four and would give Rossiter freedom to do what he does. Allen is ok, but is too lightweight to offer protection and doesn't have the range of passing, nor mobility, to shackle Rossiter and allow him freedom. I just don't see the point in keeping Allen, all he is doing is blocking a spot in the squad that a youth player could take. He doesn't fit with us, unfortunately, so there is just no point in hanging on to him in the hope he comes good, as we would need to build our style around his way of playing to get the best from him and the rest of our squad just aren't built for that.}

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27 Nov 2014 23:10:56
Evening all,

Right I don't think BR is the right man for the job. We all know the reasons but the main point has to be his continued failure in the transfer market and his awful defending coaching.

Best thing that could happen for our club if we fail to play well and win against Stoke. .

BR goes, we get in De Boer if we can tempt him. We then sell the players who are not getting us anywhere ie balotelli, borini, loan out markovic. Buy a goalkeeper such as Cech, a striker like Tevez or Martinez, Higuain or even bony. Also a players like Bender not Dortmund one.

This way we have addressed a few issues.

If we are still in the champs league wow but I can't see us winning against Basel at the moment.

Red Said Fred

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Do you need a job Fred?

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28 Nov 2014 03:59:27
Red

We aren't buying or selling vegetables here. It's not that easy what you dream.
Who would buy our under performing players?
We need to play them, Else the message would be clear on our transfers.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 22:24:45
I'd like to take a positive in the fact that 2 starts 2 Goals for Rickie, let's hope it continues!

Crazy Horse Fan

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He's already scored more goals than I thought he would of this season

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27 Nov 2014 22:16:11
Eds fellow reds, as a lifetime LFC fan I've not got blinkers on . What is the reality that faces us now as a club we will fall out of Europe in the next couple of weeks won't make top 8 this season .that has great financial implications for us .and with us already being investigated my two questions are .do you see FSG standing by the club and wasting more money or try to sell? And how many years will it take to get back into Europe ? I think FSG will try to sell and at least 5 years to re entre champs league

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have explained my expectations.}

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28 Nov 2014 01:05:03
It's bad when even if it was everton on sat I would not expect to win.

Tommy Irish Red

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28 Nov 2014 04:01:26
We need top4 next season, Else can't see us getting back to CL anytime soon. UTD are on a progress and they along with the biggies are not going to kicked out.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 19:14:54
Eds reds just curious had a look at the blue noses v wolfsburg, watching de bryune saw him at the world cup playing for belgium, thought he looked very good then, played more central I think, and looks good again. I think he could do a good job for us.

steviep62

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27 Nov 2014 17:44:07
I just do not understand why Emre can is not being picked ahead of Lucas and Gerrard. I have nothing against Lucas but like Gerrard he just cannot cope with the pace of the game. Last night our midfield was beaten for pace 99% of the time.

Starting with Lucas and Gerrard is just beyond me. Rodgers will never learn.

He once again praised the team for it's character last night. Delusional is one word for Rodgers. Skrtel and Johnson are first choice etc. Sick of it.

Clueless team selections, clueless tactics and overpraise time and time again for ghastly performances. Make it go away!

Max1981

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Alonso, Kroos and Pirlo are probably the 3 best holding midfielders in the world right now and none of them are fast. It is about reading the game. Lucas is more than capable of that. Neither of the goals last night were remotely his fault. Mingolet and Johnson were yet again at the centre of it all. Gerrard offered absolutely nothing though which suprised me. Perhaps ue really is just an impact sub now.

So I disagree with your inclusion of Lucas in your rant but do agree with you regarding your questioning of of Rodgers team selections.

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27 Nov 2014 19:10:58
Can doesn't really look like a defensive midfielder to me, which is the position Gerrard (mostly) & Lucas have played this season. And I suspect had he not picked up an injury earlier in the season he'd have more starts than Lucas anyway.

A better question, imo, would be why are Henderson and Allen selected ahead of him.

- Something Red -

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I'd go with Lucas as CDM with Henderson and Can just ahead.

Mr Dennis

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There is a difference between a holding midfielder and a defensive midfielder. Is Lucas meant to be a quarter back such as Alonso or more like Mascherano when at Lfc? Completely different players in my opinion.

The Irish Rover

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Lucas to me is more like a mascherano type, he's a good tackler, disciplined and does the simple things well.

Mr Dennis

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27 Nov 2014 16:17:32
Posted this yesterday but can't see it anywhere so here it is again.

Alanhuyton

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You need the National Enquirer site Alan - we are not going to go there.}

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OK Ed, don't see the problem but ok, I reckon it is true though. I thought that's what the site is about? Rumours. No problem, just thought I would share it.

Alanhuyton

Ed02{Ed002's Note - There is a hint in the word "transfer".}

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27 Nov 2014 15:51:11
Hi Eds, Reds, thanks for all the hard work as usual. Ed001 or Ed002, is the debt Liverpool have taken on manageable? I'm not really looking for numbers just that its worrying seeing Liverpool finding themselves in a difficult situation on the field and as a direct result of that off it.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Yes it can be managed but at the end of the day it is debt that was never anticipated (due to the high cost of running the club and the money going on transfers every year. Wages are very significant and need to come down.}

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27 Nov 2014 15:18:26
In the 1962/63 season Shankly finished 8th with Liverpool. In 1963/64 he won his first top flight title with Liverpool, but finished 7th the season after. According to the Liverpool website this was due to lengthy participation in the FA and European cups. Thank God there weren't any internet forums or Twitter in those days.

Hounsred

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He had the excuse that Liverpool had to go to games by boat as there weren't any aeroplanes then.}

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It's a fair point, but times have changed. There's a lot of money at stake and when that happens, expectations change, fairly or unfairly. In my mind there's been a few inflection points recently that we missed out- switch to live TV broadcasting in the early 80s and the creation of the PL. We capitalized on neither successfully when we were in a great position to do so. The oft-talked about pan-European league is another big looming one and my fear is the club, if this keeps up, could well miss out on that one too.

RDL

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Hounsred, first of all there is a big difference between 2nd and 1st. Had we won the league last year, I think even the most BR-sceptics would shut unless we were in a serious threat of relegation. Second, the 8th place of 62-63 was straight from division 2 (which he took us out of). And in the season after the title when we dropped back to 8 we still won the FA cup and semi final of the European Cup. And Shankly, in addition to his other great skills knew when to listen to his fantastic group of coaches and focus on the things he was stronger in (motiviation etc). So no comparison here.

fanobip

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27 Nov 2014 14:46:06
Question for Ed002,

Is there an age limit below which teams cannot make transfer offers? I am thinking of the kid Youri Tielemans from Anderlecht. At what point can teams begin looking to sign a player such as that? Will the richer teams (Bayern, Real, PSG etc) typically look to sign someone like that a little later than most since they can afford to let him show what he has and then pay more for a proven player star? I am assuming Anderlecht would want to keep him as long as possible to have the value go up.

My thinking is also towards a Markovic type signing. Was the attempt to try and sign someone who could be elite by the time he is 24-25, but he is young enough that the "bigger" clubs wouldn't be interested until he had totally proven himself? I also remember someone on the site saying that Portugese teams could sign Markovic before say an English team, do they have different age rules in each UEFA country?

Just curious your thoughts.

Thanks.

Lee in Philly

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Effectively kids cannot move from abroad before 18. There are exceptions that can see their families relocate but the clubs can not offer jobs without justification. There are educational responsibilities that need to be met. Markovic was already tied in with "big" clubs and Chelsea did not see him as being ready so they had no use for him allowing Benfica to sell him at what was an outrageous fee to Liverpool. Something has been misunderstood about Portuguese teams - or someone has misled you.}

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The problem with Markovic is he'll be out of contract when he's 24/25 and if he starts performing will probably leave. Personally I would avoid 20-22 year old players unless they're ready for the first team now (like how Can seems to be) as otherwise by the time to do a loan or two then another year to get adjusted to the league, they're near enough ready to move on. Buy them when they're younger or wait until 22-24 when they're more established but not world class. Our own youth (Suso, Teixera, etc.) should be the 20-22 year olds getting the occasional substitution here and there.

The likes of Coates, Alberto, Ilori, Borini, and Markovic are not good signings for me for this reason.

RDL

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27 Nov 2014 13:38:52
Hi Eds, what's the maximum loan signings would we be allowed make in January from home & abroad?

Thanks vm

RedKev   RedKev

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Unless there is a "to buy" clause, only two. Most European loanees have a "to buy" clause.}

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So two temporary loans regardless of them being from England or elsewhere? Then if there is a 'to buy' clause is there a limited number? Manquillo has such a clause right?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Manquillo's contract is rather different as it is a two year loan (this is the first year they have been allowed) with a "to buy" clause at the end but a "to drag back to Spain" clause at the end of each year.}

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27 Nov 2014 14:56:35
Ed, why did we agree to such a silly deal with Manquillo, it's something I've always wondered? If he's good, he goes back after a year, so was he just a stop gap for somebody else later on? Surely a loan to buy it's the loaned club deciding if he's good enough, not his parent club?

Keith

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why such a deal was agreed.}

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Ok that's suitably confusing.
So for example would we theoretically be allowed to loan Cech & Shaqiri?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Yes Kev.}

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27 Nov 2014 12:32:38
So, if we manage to come second with our destiny in our own hands we could get:
Group A - At Madrid or Juventus
Group B - none
Group C - Leverkusen or Monaco/Zenit
Group D - Dortmund
Group E - Bayern
Group F - PSG or Barca
Group G - none
Group H - Porto or Shakthar

For me its Group C winners please, but am guessing Barca beat PSG, claim top spot and we get Luis.

However, initial hurdle is the need to break down Basel who could stick 11 behind the ball (a la Villa) .

I'm not even that confident in us doing that tbh

AggerDo

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27 Nov 2014 12:58:43
The vulnerable defense will make sure we concede one or two against Basel. Let's hope we score enough in the first half.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 13:22:53
We have the talent in the squad to match anyone from Group C, Dortmund or anyone from Group H. Maybe Athletico. In our current form, we don't have the ability to beat Basel, let alone any of that lot

hjikle

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In my opinion, Basel will play for the win, which maybe could be good news for us, because they will score, as we will, gone be a tough one .

redforever

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27 Nov 2014 11:12:51
Had a look through posts re Rodgers position at club currently but just seems to be a lot of replacements being suggested but where do you currently think he is in terms of job safety? I thought things were looking quite rosy after such an amazing achievement last season. Surely players are taking responsibility also but hardly any of the new players bought (ok there are injuries) but even then aren't in the starting 11 so who is sanctioning the buys and why are they not taking responsibility? I do hope Rodgers is given a chance but would like your opinion. Thanks in advance.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely that he will be at the club next season.}

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27 Nov 2014 14:45:40
Ed002, do you think that would be the right choice? Managers should be given a chance to turn it around, surely?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Why? He has failed - promises were made and not kept. Enormous financial investments have been made and seemingly largely wasted. Debt has grown again.}

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He's being given a chance to turn it around as he's not been sacked yet so far as I know. It's beginning to look very possible we'll end November win-less though and how much longer he'll get is a good question.

RDL

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It will b a miracle in itself if he stays till the summer to begin with.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 11:02:24
Thoughts for the day.

Is our entire transfer "policy" - and maybe these season's tactics and performances too - a reaction to that one single match against Chelsea?

We buy players, not for the first team, but those who can "provide something different" for the occasional difficult matches that make the difference between 1st and 2nd.

Gerrard hasn't had a good game since for club or country; he he mentally shot rather than physically.

Rodgers has resorted to the sideways possession mindset that he had when he arrived.

All of this because the pain of that one match is dominating everything we do; rather than looking back on the best season of football I can remember since the '80s and continuing its evolution?

ProfG

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27 Nov 2014 10:14:03
Why are the media coming out and saying Basel is a must win game now for Liverpool. Wasn't that always the case? Even if we won, we'd still have to beat basel wouldn't we, I thought it came down to performances vs the other team, and a draw wouldn't have been enough

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27 Nov 2014 11:15:18
Doesn't matter what they say let's just beat Basel and hope things improve.

Tommy Irish Red

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Basel has always been a must win game, its at Anfield, so we should have some advantage, tho we only drew last nite, and once again very poor use of our subs, our very poor defending a corner, freeze the TV when they show that corner again, and count how many Liverpool shirts you can see around one man, who somehow got the header in, then think, will we beat Basel !!, we need the Football Gods on our side that nite, what do I think, another poor draw, sorry, but just can't see a win, same at Stoke, who will use the same aggressive style that we can't get passed, only good news there is that Moses is out, but bad news, they will score from another set piece .

redforever

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It`s not even the no. of players standing there. It is the fact that they stand there and DON`T mark nor challenge a soul. Moreno ducks and doesn`t challenge the first header and then nobody reacts in the back end. Defending is an attitude and a desire to stop the other team from scoring and BR is bereft of that attitude. N BTW, oes anyone know how many goa we have let in on set-pieces since BR took over? I will b very interested to know.

redohio

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Your right on the button there Red, see when chelsea defend a corner, they throw their bodies on the line, and block everything going anyway near their goal, got to admire that kind of defending, we brought a defender last nite who as we know, can't defend, and had two more subs to make, the game needed big Emre Can to get a grip on that midfield, we lost that battle in the first minute .

redforever

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27 Nov 2014 09:44:51
Time to implement performance related pay I think. Maybe if they did, there may be some urgency introduced into the play. I was astounded after the game when the players actually thought that they had done well.

Yvonne

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I agree and am amazed of how little people make of this. I guess there is nothing to do about the outragous payments any PL footballe, regardless of how avarage they are make today. Don't get me wrong, I am all for paying good money for footballers who can single handedly (or single footedly) take their team to the next stage like Aguero. But to think that most LFC players are being paid something around 50k a week or more (probably more than most of us do in a year) and their manager 6M a year for this mediocre performance and that they will be paid these sums even if we finish in the relegation zone is ridiculus. It could have been great if players' slaries would decided after each game by the fans (beyond the minnimum daily pay they have to receive by law). And it is not that they go and fight wars in Afganistan. They play football - for LFC, for God sake most of us will do that happily for free. Unjust world. This is one reason why I don't become a football club owner. I couldn't stand paying so much of my money for no return. And ye I am also about 100 million short. But am working on that.

fanobip

Ed02{Ed002's Note - People make nothing of it because it simply won't happen.}

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Or just get rid of the crap players and start buying quality ones!

Red Rum

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27 Nov 2014 14:03:41
have to agree with red-rum, rodgers has wasted:

Mario/Marko (£36m)

borini/aspas (£18m)

allen/can (£25m)

assaidi/alberto (£10m)

manquillo only a loan but had flanno, wisdom, & kelly

tbf I like can but if you look at the fees paid for these players (not even getting into defenders as bought two great CB but won't play them together)

The majority of those players aren't regulars and majority either aren't performing or not ready for 1st team football.

I know there are other factors in transfers but would have much preferred we tried youth players and just spent it on:

£36m - striker (after LS left)
£25m - midfielder
£18m - winger
£10m - dm/GK

Ok maybe some of our youth would have struggled but have players on the fringe of the team like Suso (leaving), Ilori (wants to leave), Ibe (same level as markovic - but a youth players), Texeira (ready to be given a chance), Brad Smith (cant be worse then enrique), Wisdom (better the Johnson), Kelly, (gone) and Rossiter (just a bit of game time here and there would help).

Would prefer he would have given them a chance and instead of gambling on 8 or 9 players bought 3-4 real quality players. TBH last season thought rodgers was brilliant but have NEVER liked his transfer policy.

off the top of my head could have had higuain, konpplayanka, medel (or alonso), and begovic - then given youth players a chance

Roland-dinho

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Very good post Roland-dinho. We should have spent the money on 5 quality players instead of signing 9 decent ones. This could well have been more affordable and solved most of the team's problems.
GK- Trapp (around 10m GBP)
LB- Happy with Moreno (12m GBP)
CDM- Schneiderlin (around 20m GBP)
LWM- Konoplyanka (around 12m GBP)
ST- J.Martinez (around 30m GBP)
All these figures would be close to their actual transfer fees and cost much lesser compared to what the club spent this summer. Additionally, players like Wisdom, Ibe, Rossiter, Teixiera and Suso would have gotten more game time. Of the players that left the club, Kelly is the one i would have tried to keep and preferred Migs to move on and maybe Enrique.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 17:07:33
tbh mate those are just the players I wanted (esp kono), not a manager or expert but couldn't have done worse! just baffled by our transfer/development policy, people can say transfers are gambles and if so how come Southampton got so many right and we got soo many wrong? We needed mature experienced players who could come in and make in impact, don't have to spend a fortune just better scouting (tadic, pelle, remy, wanyama, mirallas, etc)

IMO we needed; a striker, a left sided forward, a DM, a LB, and probably a GK. Lallana and Markovic are not wide players (prefer playing more central, where coutinho, sterling, suso, and gerrard suit playing) leaving us with about 5 AMs and no natural wide players. As talented as I think he is and as much as i want it to work, mario doesn't like he will (can argue needs a second striker supporting him but unless sturridge is fit don't see how any partnership would work, leaving are whole attack force reliant on sturridge). Think Can is very talented and maybe in the future will show his worth, but needed DM and now only have lucas and about 4 players who can play CM (hendo, allen, can, gerrard). Really like lovren as a player but if you are going to keep skrtel, why buy him? Would have preferred to sell skrtel and use lovren, sakho, ilori, and toure - but if you really want to keep skrtel it was a pointless buy (manquillo confuses me as well).

As a result we've either sold, annoyed or loaned must of our young talent. Added to that have 4 strikers and yet still nearly completely reliant one 1 injury prone one, 5 AMs, no wide players, 1 DM and a defence which cannot defend. Hate to moan just hoping someone can explain how this is meant to work?

The players i mentioned were just the ones I could think of but don't want big names or star players. Just players where you can see why they were bought and where they are meant to play. Remy, kono, and medal would be about £30m for the trio, would have been over the moon with them! add maybe moreno and a keeper then give youth a chance would have had 3/4 am (suso, couts, sterling, stevie) 2 wide forwards (kono, ibe, and a few who can play there) 2 strikers who score and two who support, 2 DMs (lucas and medal start easing in rossiter) and 3 cms (stevie, allen, and henderson) and 4 CBs (toure, ilori, sakho, lovren/skrtel). Just look at Chelsea's team, a well balanced team where you can look at where someone plays and their role in the team.

hate to moan and apologise for the length but just don't get how this team is meant to work or the plans for the future

Roland-dinho

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Roland I agree with most of your post, as I see Can being the able replacement for Stevie G, I don't like Moreno, as he can't defend, isn't that his priority, is too small and teams target that, just look at the Everton game, we really need a manager who can give us that balance that we need, and that you spoke of .

redforever

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Decent point, but I'd argue Can has not been a waste of money. For, what, £10million, he's shown enough promise for me so far to suggest he has a big future at the club. Our shining light against both Madrid away and Chelsea at home.

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27 Nov 2014 19:09:09
Really really like can as a player and maybe will fulfil his potential but more important was a top DM. Look what magic has done for chelsea

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27 Nov 2014 08:07:31
Well I guess I have to congratulate the team. After almost 4 months of football at last we had our first header goal yesterday. True it was the scrapiest of headers that came from absolutly nothing and horrific defending. True, the kind of headers I was looking for is the the scond goal the Bulgarians scored - a header which is a result of forwards overpowering defenders and powerfully head home a decent cross (or in that case a corner). We actually could have scored another one, a proper header, if Lambert wouldn't head that Sterling cross straight on a defender only for Henderson to miss the rebound in front of an open goal (what was that?). Our second goal was brilliant - I won't take that from our guys, but the rest of the 90 minutes it was more like championship side than a champions league one.

The saddest thing is every game you somehow forget what happend before this season, think maybe somehow the magic will come back but then you look at the team and realise that some things can't change just because you wish so. Players who cannot produce decent football cannot do so full stop. The worst kid in PE class will not come one day and beat all the athletic guys in running. Life is not American film. Like others I think BR is terrible and should go, not playing Lallana and Can yesterday was odd, his fear to even substitute Gerrad let alone give his some rest occasionaly is pathetic and his substitution of Sterling with Moreno at the end sent the very wrong message. But I still think that regardless of BR we have a mid table squad at best (which is partly his responsibility due to his poor signings). Sorry to bring the bad news but quality wise we have a mid table squad at best.

fanobip

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27 Nov 2014 08:56:12
Fanobip

After spending close to 200mil, you should be challenging the title. BR said this an year back against Spurs.
If not money what would bring the title and glory back to Liverpool?

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 09:22:05
The whistle had gone for a Hendo push on the keeper long before he struck that ball mate.

WelshBoyDave

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That may be the case WelshBoyDave, I watched the match without sound so didn't get that. Still a terrible miss, no? It doesn't take anything from his brilliant finish for our second - he and Sterling for me the two players suffer most from our poor form and could have been much brilliant if playing for a stronger side.

fanobip

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27 Nov 2014 10:10:51
Fanobip

Did you just said both Hendo and Sterling needs Messi and Ronaldo alongside them to perform better.
Sterling was poor from a long time with only 1 goal to his name.
Henderson was also largely non effect

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 10:28:41
It was an awful miss mate, assuming he didn't know the play was dead anyway.

WelshBoyDave

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PassionPride not Messi and Ronaldo only Suarez. I agree that Sterling has a lot of ups and downs in his game and loses a lot of balls but he did produce a wonderful assist yesterday and another one that should have been 100% goal and I guess that you can't demand much more. I still think he can and should improve a lot. Re Hendo IMO he can do more if the rest of the guys play better, but again scored a brilliant goal yesterday, that is a good start.

fanobip

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27 Nov 2014 11:48:02
He did know it was no longer in play and chose not to land on his ass going for a ball already dead, and corrected his balance instead. Lambert really should have scored but Hendo was pulling out for the gone whistle.

hjikle

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Cant blame Sterling for having ups and downs he is still a kid . There is far too much reliance on him same as there was on Suarez and there is on Sturridge.

Poor signings, even poorer use of our young players .

Henderson was a revelation last season he is also young and needs support

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27 Nov 2014 13:04:26
Kobi

Henderson is off the same age of Oscar, Tony kroos and James Rodriguez. Lols.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Passion, that is an unfair comparison as every man and his dog knows both are much more talented than Hendo. That is a fact.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 17:06:21
Redohio

I do understand mate. I was just laughing at a poor excuse of Kobi mate above.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Apologies, Passion! It is hard to see sarcasm thru the web because a lot of people post soe rubbish on here.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 07:41:35
Just want to say RIP to Phil Hughes the Australian batsman who sadly passed away at the age of just 25.

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27 Nov 2014 04:05:15
Question for Ed001

From all your previous posts, it seems you have some insight into the current ongoings of the club. So why is it that Rodgers insists on playing Gerrard every game, despite the fact he has been so poor recently? Is he afraid of dropping such a high profile player?

Gerrard is 34 and needs to be playing occasionally, not all our matches. Can and Lucas both offer more mobility and are better in terms of protecting the back line.

Same question for Skrtel. He's a massive liability, the only ever present in a woeful defence over the last few seasons.

Would really appreciate your thoughts

quackers94

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it certainly does seem to be the fear of taking on Gerrard, who is extremely powerful within the club. Only I have never heard anyone, who isn't a close friend or relative of is, offer any explanation other than that.

Skrtel Rodgers just seems to have fallen in love with, he does have his favourites, and so he is a certain starter in 99% of games.}

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As a lot of fans already know Gerrard is not the only player who should be dropped. What I cannot take in is the fact that Rodgers is walking a very thin line and could himself be dropped if results as they are. The only thing I can think of is that he has the Bank CEO mentality - if the bank makes a profit the CEO gets a massive bonus - if it makes a loss he gets a massive bonus. Rodgers is in a win/win position. If results change he has great job - if they don't he gets a great pay-off. When the late equalizer went in last evening he had the look of Roy Hodgson!

pape

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The fact that a woeful defender like Skrtl is BR`s fav is damning in itself.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 03:55:27
Why did we buy Lallana, Moreno, Can if they sit on the bench? When I see the team sheet with Johnson, Skertl, Allen it gives me the same feeling I used to have when it was Adam, Spearing, Joe Cole. I just know we won't win. It's really sad, I'm at the point that I don't even want to watch the games!

HK

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27 Nov 2014 04:25:06
Allen is not a bad player from the lot. He has been played as an offensive midfielder which he is not.

Passion_pride_LFC

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It's because LFC's squad was very "thin" according to the manager.

The real AG

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We have Brendan as our manager. Expect more of these clangers mate, savor them while Brendan is around because no other manager will be able to repeat such feats. On a serious note, Brendan has shown once again he has no b***s. What was Gerrard doing on the pitch for 90 mins? We had 2 quality CAMs parking their backsides on the bench yet Brendan continues with Gerrard irrespective of his poor performances. Maybe Brendan is hoping for an early sacking to get as much severance package as possible or he is just stupid an clueless. And the less said about Mr Migs the better.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 06:42:57
Apart from class A grade managers none could drop a name GERRARD.
BR is helpless

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - even when he misbehaves off the pitch he gets away with it because of who he is, what chance does an insecure manager like Rodgers have of winning a battle with him? The guy has too much power for Rodgers to take on.}

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Maybe Gerrard needs to be shown the door if managers have insecurities over his influence within the club. How has this not come to the notice of FSG? Or are they blinded as well by what he has done for the club in the past? LFC owes no one and that includes Gerrard. Let him move on if he is unwilling to accept a bit part role in the setup. Would also free up 140-150k a week from the age bill because he is offering nothing for the team at them moment even as a CAM.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 07:29:27
Indian

He has been the face of the club from quiet a long long time. Hate to say but he is not just a player. Much bigger.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - and that is the problem, he should never have been anything other than a player.}

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27 Nov 2014 08:15:08
Has Gerrard ever given any actual indication beyond people's assumptions that he'll be unhappy or fight the manager if he's not played for 90 minutes every match?

hjikle

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Hjinkle I think the fact he's never dropped answers that one for you.
I dunno if you have ever met him but he does have a nasty streak.

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27 Nov 2014 08:57:44
Hjike

Have we ever dropped him for 4 successive games?

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 09:32:22
How rubbish do Gerrard, skrtel, Johnson, mignolet need to be to be dropped ????.

Tommy Irish Red

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27 Nov 2014 10:13:33
Tommy

We did not buy a keeper last window and expected Migs to finally improve after being poor whole last season.
We have no choice other than to play Migs till we buy a top class keeper.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 11:51:57
No. And I don't think we need to either. But the indication is that he's not dropped because BR doesn't have the power to drop him, but that would surely indicate that he's not willing to go with BR's team selection if it doesn't include him. But is that a fact or an assumption? He might be perfectly willing to sit for all we know.

hjikle

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We needed 2 or 3 players ready to go straight into the first team. After we failed miserably obtaining anything of the sort, the messaging simply changed to we needed depth, although exactly why you need 9 players to play 6 more games is beyond me.

RDL

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Gerrard is not the only player w/ that type of power at a club. Raul (RM), Terry (Chelsea), Ramos and Ronaldo (RM) and their ilk have the same power. Raul (I loved as a player) was rumored to decide who played and who didn`t (made Anelka`s life a living hell). It happens and it takes a well-proven manager to undo that (like Mou who fazed out Raul because Pellegrini didn`t have the b**s nor the degree to do it). BR doesn`t have the pedigree to confront SG because he will get himself sacked by doing that alone.

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27 Nov 2014 02:22:05
Hi Ed's

No comments about the team and how its performing this season, but I have one thing to ask, why Liverpool is the only team that gets caught in situations where something unexpected is needed,

Istanbul,
FA Cup finals (2006)
last year Title chase and slip of Gerrard,
and now a
Must win situation against FC Basel at Anfield.

Fingers crossed and hope are high that the fans stand behind the team and hopefully the team gets the much needed results.

GerrardsLFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - they aren't the only team, it is just that they are playing at the highest level in front of a worldwide audience so it is more visible.}

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As much as i want to see us playing in the knockout stages of the UCL, a part of me just does not care whether we beat Basel or not because with Brendan in charge and our poor defense, reaching the knockouts is a lost cause. Finishing 4th now should be the priority. Basel will be a handful and i think they will nick a draw at Anfield and progress to the next round.

Indian Buzzer

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Finishing fourth should always have been the priority

NRed

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27 Nov 2014 07:31:05
Nred

4th should never be a priority for a club as big as Liverpool. We should be always inside top 3 clubs in the league

Passion_pride_LFC

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You're going to argue over a single place!? pathetic! Securing next years champions league was the priority. regardless if 4th 3rd 2nd. we needed to secure that revenue stream. To suggest liverpool is bigger than chelsea, united, city arsenal etc atm, and place us 3rd ahead of some of them is quite frankly, naive given our recent years

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27 Nov 2014 10:16:55
Bob

At this rate we are never going to be bigger than those 4 clubs you mentioned.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Hi bobatron - the difference between a single place(!) in this situation is the difference between going straight through to the last 32 or having to play a (perhaps difficult) qualifying round. We have no chance of making great progress this season in the Champions League but the further we go gives us more points in seeking a good pot for next season should we qualify. Making it to pot two would be an achievement in itself and we would not have to worry about 'make-or-break' matches against clubs like FC Basel.

pape

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It looks like it will be pot 3 or pot 4 for next season if Liverpool qualify.}

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We must win or else we are back to Thursday night
football

mongrel red

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Thus nite and sunday games are not so bad, let's face it, its about where we are, another point, I read that the Liverpool squad did not train on that pitch before the game, like they normally do, just maybe Migs mite have done better with that early shot, that somehow he could not hold on to, I really think that 99.9 per cent of goalies would have held on to that shot, why do we have to have the 00.1 per cent, think we should make it a new goalie and a top striker in next transfer window .

redforever

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New goalie and top striker should have been the plan when we had £100M+ to spend.

RDL

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27 Nov 2014 01:35:22
100 million on players this summer. Freezing cold atmosphere. Shortened rest from the last week. Yet one sub in the entire game used, and our best player on the night, bar lambert, was the one subbed.

What did we learn? Nothing, because the same problems still exist. We know Lucas and toure should be playing. We know Gerrard needs to be dropped some; I don't understand how the oldest player on the pitch is always starting. We know mignolet is. mignolet. We know alberto Moreno is 100x better than johnson, and should always start over him. We know we need two strikers playing.

How many of the above things will ever happen under Rodgers? I'm happy we at least kept our chances alive, but I have little faith in things improving. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I just don't see it.

TjRed

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27 Nov 2014 03:36:43
Fact: Migs on his worst form won't be dropped for Brad jones.
We need to buy one next window else more Migs show.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Against Chelsea, Can and Coutinho were our best players and were subbed off.
Against Crystal Palace, our best players were Lallana and Allen and both were subbed off.
Our best performers in the games against RM, Chelsea etc did not even start in the next couple of games. So the question is why Brendan is doing this? Is the man this clueless or was he just born stupid? Its basic commonsense that u play your in-form players and bench those who are short of confidence but Brendan is doing the exact opposite. I think he has lost his mind, and knows a decision has already been made by FSG to get rid. His recent interviews have been pretty mellow, and sugarcoated with blind optimism rather than making excuses because the owners have clearly had enough of this con artist.

Indian Buzzer

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Passion_pride_LFC, i think u are underestimating Brad Jones. Given a run of games, i think he could be a decent stand in option till we get a new keeper in January. The club needs to sort out its coaching setup now and fast forward the signing of a quality keeper in Jan rather than wait till the summer. Along with Brendan, the likes of Skrtel, Gerrard, Mr Migs, Johnson, Enrique are all part of the problem and need replacing.

Indian Buzzer

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I thought Moreno cost us 2 points by turning his back on a cross after coming on only 5 mins before.
You'd think he would take one in the face for the team.
This is the 3rd goal this season that Moreno has contributed to by error.
Piss Poor.

jonnybarnes89-90

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27 Nov 2014 08:05:42
Jonny

Mate Y did we bring Moreno for Sterling?

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 09:43:40
Passion Johnny Giles and didi hamann said on RTE he handed the initiative to them with that substitution.strange.

Tommy Irish Red

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27 Nov 2014 10:19:21
Tommy

It makes no sense to bring a LB for a LW if you wanna see out the game.
Y not a defender with 3 at the back to finish off
Else a midfielder.
If you want to keep the same momentum on the flank y not Markovic?

Passion_pride_LFC

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Would have been hard to bring on Markovic since he wasn't even on the bench.

RDL

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Johnbarnes is spot on! Moreno completely punked out and was prob afraid of messing up his face and hairdo. This is what I`ve been saying for ages. Our defenders just fold under pressure and are not ready to throw their bodies in the way for the cause. They lack the mentalitiy and attitude to defend and sacrifice themselves for the result and that can ONLY come from the manager who is soft, arrogant and stubborn and who cannot coach how to defend a simple set-piece to save his life.

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27 Nov 2014 01:22:23
Well who did'nt see that coming?

Great second goal ricky's wasnt too shabby but when i seen the substitution i knew what would happen how rodgers can justify it is beyond me.

you can't expect a team who can't defend to hold on to a lead u just cant.

mingolet (spelling) is just lost his decision making is horrible.

but there was a few posotives not many but there is still a bit of hope.

and finally eds if u please if liverpool were to manage to get a few of the players out on loan would that free up a bit of cash for a new striker as well as a sale or two not a big name as we cannot afford fee/wages/add ons maybe a lacazette type level? we need goals thanks Danny!

Bradford Red

Ed01{Ed001's Note - loan will not help much. We need to sell really.}

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27 Nov 2014 03:38:10
Ed01, Out of curiosity mate, Do you see a loan looming for Marko?

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no, though he probably needs one.}

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27 Nov 2014 03:46:40
Fair reply mate, because I don't see him getting a game from now till end of the season.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Markovic needs a loan move and Ibe needs to come back from loan. Shame the men in charge cannot see that. 20 million GBP thrown down the drain. The club really is run by monkeys and donkeys, i really feel for FSG for being let down by whatever consultants they hired to employ these clueless bunch of people. i'm actually starting to miss the days of Hodgson, there was at least a glimmer of hope, now we have just wasted loads of money and reached a dead end.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 04:27:10
Indian.

If you compare the spendings, Roy deserves applauses.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 04:36:01
Indian

You do realize, BR has a strong say in all the transfers.

Passion_pride_LFC

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The whole bunch including Brendan are persons. It does not take a genius to identify weaknesses in the squad, yet the so called professionals failed to address these issues and not one did their job properly. This is as bad as the Hodgson era with even more money being wasted.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 08:18:12
In fairness I think you guys are forgetting what Hodgson was actually like

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27 Nov 2014 01:16:31
Hi eds,

Would Ancelotti consider coming to Liverpool once this season is over? I read some rumours claiming that he was going to leave Real at the end of the season and he wanted to return to England. Personally, I think he'd be a great replacement for Rodgers.

Thanks eds.

zpecialone

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I have no idea sorry.}

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Would be brilliant if we could get him. But he would be a short term solution, and i doubt FSG want that. If they intend to go down with a DOF and head coach combination, then i would rather Ancelotti as DOF and someone willing to be a subordinate as head coach.

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 03:48:25
Anchelotti or any big name would need serious money which we don't have right now.
I personally want us to go and get proven name.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 11:00:08
@Passion_pride_LFC: didn't you just contradict yourself there? Most proven managers would require serious money since most would be unavailable, on high wages already, or would not even entertain the idea of coming to liverpool

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26 Nov 2014 23:02:18
No
Moaning from me
No negative comments

All I say is. If you want to know a real honest fact and a very simple explanation on Liverpool as they are today
Have a look at newsnow and a comment made by eamon dunphy. Didi hamann was there on the panel I think it's for rte sport Sth like that . I don't think eds allow links here so I won't try to add it jus in case

So have a look at it fans and tell me what u think

red lobster

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Just played a clip from Dunphy and he is on the money. I don't like knocking players as they all have off days or take time to bed in, whatever it is. but Glen Johnson is truly a hindrance to any sort of progress. He let's his man in behind him tonight, barely jumps and there is the equalizer. and immediately is looking around blaming everyone. and I know someone will respond . well that wasn't his man or some other BS like that. the reality is he was the nearest defender and a 90 year old one legged pensioner would have done a better job jumping for the ball! And don't get me started about his defending on the Benzema header at Anfield.

Ok, rant over. Well almost. he makes so much money and gives that sort of effort?

Rjb150

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Oreno caused the equalizer for me. On the 1st header, he doesn`t even touch his man and allows him to get a free header to the back post where GJ well, did his job as we know it which was, not doing his job. Moreno`s only been here and he`s already at fault for 3 goals, IMO. He needs to improve ASAP.

redohio

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Completely agree redohio.
In fact I just posted the same a bit further up.
I will scroll first next time!

jonnybarnes89-90

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27 Nov 2014 08:22:19
Think that's rubbish redohio, sorry. Monero could have done more, but Johnson was shoulder to shoulder with his guy while Monero was involved and actually moved away to allow the player a completely free header. By your logic you could blame Allen as well because he stepped off the line to try and reach the jumper which was the wrong decision, but in reality Johnson's job was to stop that man getting the ball, and when the ball was put in he was in the perfect position to do so. And he misjudged it in a way that would utterly embarrass a Sunday League player. He was the one with the job and he didn't do it, whatever anyone elses failing was he had the man and completely lost him despite the man not actually moving at all

hjikle

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Hjikle, that`s your opinion and u are right because it was a calamity of errors that caused the goal(shocking, I know). However, I always go to the begining of the calamity because if the first error doesn`t happen, the rest won`t happen. Moreno challenges the first header and puts him off, that goal doesn`t happen. We dealt w/ their corners and freekicks fairly well overall BUT it takes one mistake to undo all that and Moreno (not for the first time) effed up again. Moreno messed up from the get go and he IMO, should get the blame because if he does the job from the start, we win the game. period!

redohio

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Why buy a defender who can't defend, why bring him on last nite, with Sterling going off, doesn't make much sense to me, and don't get me started on the purchase off super mario, when we badly needed a top striker .

redforever

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26 Nov 2014 22:45:04
Evening Eds

What do u make of tonights result and has it been seen as a negative result within the club?

Dezmondo

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have no idea how it is viewed inside the club. For me, Liverpool need to be winning games such as this.}

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Dezmondo, is that even a question? Everyone associated with LFC should be embarrassed and ashamed after a string of poor performances including last night. Brendan blew over 200 million GBP, and has nothing to show for it. The club is basically back to square one even after so much money was invested, how can this not be a negative?

Indian Buzzer

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27 Nov 2014 03:24:35
Should have gone for the win. I don't see us beating Basel at home.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Agreed Passion_pride_LFC, i think Basel will nick a draw and progress and we will be stuck in the Europa League where there are at least a dozen teams who are better than us. Its a lost cause now, FSG would be better off getting rid of Brendan now, he is simply making the situation worse.

Indian Buzzer

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It is beyond belief how a team cannot defend set-pieces and aven`t done so for 2yrs yet the coach still plays the same woeful defenders and expects diff results.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 08:16:27
Indian, if there's a dozen teams better than us I'm the Europa league, does that mean there's 15 teams better than us if we qualify for knockout?

WelshBoyDave

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27 Nov 2014 08:24:21
WelshBoyDave - at least we get the CL money from progressing to the knockout round (assuming it's not withheld) and are in a competition where we're the worst of the best, not middle of the decent

hjikle

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27 Nov 2014 09:43:08
Nicely phrased Jinkle!

WelshBoyDave

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It has already been decided that at least part of the CL money for Liverpool is being withheld subject to investigation. This is nothing new.}

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After spending about 120 million on players last summer, we are still left with a poor goalie, two poor full backs, three if you include moreno who just can't defend and is for me too small, we have too many small players, who are just brushed off the ball ;
no proper defensive midfielder, no proper striker, looks like were now a mid table side, so don't expect too much from us until we change the manager, and let go about 6/7 players .

redforever

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Ed033 Note: The Liverpool Player Ratings page has been updated to the latest Liverpool match.

You can also vote on Man of the Match for the latest game using our Liverpool Man of the Match Polls page.

Ed033   Ed033          
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26 Nov 2014 20:14:08
As a young fan, I'm not entirely sure on a few things.
Could one of the eds please explain what a DoF does?
Thanks in advance!

DaRedMan

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Typically it is someone who sits above the footballing parts of the club (first team, U21, academy, kiddies, ladies etc.) and the scouting systems and reports the board. At some clubs he will make all of the decisions about recruitment, at others he will concentrate on keeping control of everything aside from the first team. At some clubs he will define and implement football strategy. So it can be a varied remit, but the key thing is to define that remit.}

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Thanks very much!
Makes more sense now

DaRedMan

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My sentiments exactly.

redohio

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27 Nov 2014 06:33:42
I'd pick Ed002 for the post.

Mr Dennis

Ed01{Ed001's Note - she gets the blame on here every time we have a bad run anyway, so maybe that isn't a bad idea.....}

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At least we'll get to see what she looks like.

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The fantasy may be better than the reality ha ha

Rob b

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26 Nov 2014 19:45:04
Gerrard playing attack mid ?? Oh yes

dezyboy2

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Yeah that worked out

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26 Nov 2014 22:11:57
Oh come Mcgoved , it was better . Look Gerrard is not going to be dropped , so won't you rather seem him in a more effective role, than a useless defensive midfielder

Roy

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27 Nov 2014 03:40:43
Roy

Apart form that one pass to Sterling Gerrard was doing nothing all night.
Should have played Countinho / lallana instead.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Lallana for me, he knows lambert well and is a true leader which we need if Stevie ain't on the pitch.

Phil goes missing if our backs are against the wall, to often for me.

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27 Nov 2014 08:19:20
Agree with Roy and the OP,
Rodgers is lambasted for failing to learn from mistakes.
By taking Gerrard out of CDM and dropping Lucas in there, he's shown he is willing to learn, I just hope Gerrard gets a run there and isn't stuck back between Skrtel and Lovren for the weekend.

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26 Nov 2014 19:35:49
Is Moreno injured or not match fit? To only be on the bench and have Johnson nick your place is absolutely degrading.

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If Johnson can play for Liverpool so can I.

Mr Dennis

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26 Nov 2014 19:02:10
Mignolet
19 Manquillo
4 K Touré
37 Skrtel
2 Johnson
14 Henderson
8 Gerrard
21 Lucas
31 Sterling
9 Lambert
24 Allen

Hope I'm wrong but that doesn't look like a winning line up to me.

ND   ND
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A more solid look to the midfield for me.

The Irish Rover

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Johnson? Skrtl? Gerrard? Allen? Marvellous. Just marvellous. Goodbye Brendan.

Mr Dennis

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Is Brendan Rodgers a football man? - Johnson, Skrtel, Gerrard - the 3 biggest under performers in the squad all playing, with Sterling struggling as well.

John B

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On the flip side I'm glad toure and Lucas start.
I just hope Lucas is starting as the DM and Gerrard plays almost as a second striker. Otherwise that line up is a mess.

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I just hope he doesn't have Gerrard sitting deeper than Lucas. It should be Lucas and Allen holding with Gerrard in cam. Sterling on the left, Henderson on the right with Lambert up front. I'd also prefer Lovren over Skrtel to allow Toure to play in his best position (on the right). Is Moreno injured?

Red Rum

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This lineup is really interesting given the pressure on BR. Is he really THIS stubborn or does he truly lack insight into our shortcomings? Johnson, Gerrard, Skrtel, Sterling??? Take out Lallana whose vision got is our only goal in four games? Perhaps BR wants to get fired? Atleast we look defensively set up, but there is zero goals in this lineup, and Skrtel is good for a goal against at the best of times. Bye bye CL and BR

coop

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26 Nov 2014 19:58:58
Regardless of the result, £37 million worth of defenders on the bench and our £20 million winter doesn't make the squad

Roland-dinho

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26 Nov 2014 20:40:05
coop, Zero goals? Better not tell Lambert and Henderson that

thecancan

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Ok, so we got two goals.more than last 5 games combined so I didn't predict it, and yet we still did not win the game due to Mignolet's butter fingers and complete lack of understand ing of how to defend set pieces. Still, a win at home to Basel would put us through. What is the likelihood of that?? Still hope we go through as the Euorpa league is not what we need now

coop

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26 Nov 2014 23:34:07
Its our only chance albeit slim of playing champions league next season

patemondo

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Cant see us beating basel, we can't even defend a corner, and we take off the smallest man on the pitch, replace him with maybe the smallest man on the pitch, while we have another smallest man on the pitch,
its a joke, this a big mans game, we are just getting pushed off the ball, being by-passed the ball, being bullied, and once again we don't make much use of our subs, we must be the worst team in the premiership, regarding subs,
we sell a tall competitive full back, and take on loan a maybe full back, how many of our team would get into chelsea or man city team, we are a million miles from winning the premieship, and Rodgers, is skating on very thin ice,

redforever

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26 Nov 2014 19:00:30
Just seen the team. And all I can say is either Johnson has it written into his contract that when fit must play, or he has something on Rogers that he is blackmailing him with. because nothing else makes sense

thecancan

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Maybe BR is ditching his new found lady pal and eloping with Johnson at the end of the season and this is Brendan's way of showing his love for GJ?

The real AG

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26 Nov 2014 18:56:53
Positive line up tonight! No Can, Coutinho or Lallana in midfield. Johnson keeps our only naturally left sided player out of the team and the defensive rock that is Skrtel simply can't be budged from the team sheet. At least I have ditched this seasons shirt and will be wearing last seasons tonight. Hopefully it brings some luck!

Cheers

Greggers

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£100M+ spent and the players that make the grade for a must win CL game are: a loanee kid at RB and a £4M older striker and poor £20M Markovic can't even make the bench.

Brilliant use of funds.

RDL

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This definitely shows how "thin" our squad was last season.

The real AG

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26 Nov 2014 18:50:52
Lucas and you're starting tonight ! I'm expecting two good performances worthy of a run in the team, only to be dropped on the weekend

Walkon94

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Lucas and toure

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26 Nov 2014 18:46:44
Another Big game tonight. not convinced with the starting line up. Lallana and Can should start ahead of Gerrard, Allen. Moreno always in for Johnson. And to be honest. Sterling hasn't been great. Coutinho probs would be a better option.
Either which way.Hope we not only win. but more importantly actually play well. we've been awful thus far thus season!

nomisyoung

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Markovic instead of out of form Sterling

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I agree with you on every point. We got a draw tonight, which will be played up as a victory because it is far better than we've achieved recently, but let's be honest, Lidogorets were poor and Can, Lallana and More o might have tipped is to the victory

coop

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We're just awful full stop. I cannot understand why any manager would revert back to a system and philosophy that makes your available crop of players look like garbage.
Fair enough. no one has played particularly well all season but have they been given the correct platform to perform at their peak? Is. correct formation. combination of players. tactics.
I don't believe they have. and that's down to Rodgers.
We should be beating teams like Ludo. at a canter.
We are a decent way into the season. and the manager says. Our season starts today. now to me that is just ridiculous! The season started a couple months ago and we've been shocking!
Fed up with it all now to be honest. Can't get any worse can it!?

nomisyoung

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26 Nov 2014 18:39:18
Probably be asked by others, but anyone know why Moreno isn't being selected? Seems a bit odd.

RDL

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Because Brendan Rodgers "knows what he's doing"

Walkon94

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Perhaps it is the beginning of another "brendaning"?

The real AG

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26 Nov 2014 18:33:08
In response to RedDawn comments concerning appointing Steve Mc Claren. I posted the suggestion a couple of weeks about him being an ideal replacement should the manager /head coach position comes available. There will be many who disagree but his cv is second to none. Many years at Man U as assistant to Ferguson and if he had stayed would probably be their manager now, experience coaching in Europe etc. His qualities far exceed the present occupant of the position. Also could look to a good 10 years continuity in the position.
1. He would stand no nonsense, expecting 100% at all times.
2. He would sort out the defence issues which is the current
priority.
3. He would give the local young players a chance.

1, 2amd 3 don't seem to be being addressed at the moment and I am not a coach but can see what every one else can.

Keenone

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Is it April fools day already?

Mr Dennis

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26 nov 2014 18:27:52
just wondering if people see us winning our last 2 games.

if not would you prefer us to lose tonight to avoid finishing third in the group?

LAVERS   LAVERS

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I suspect you mean next two games.}

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26 Nov 2014 18:48:24
Categorically not. It winds me up how people see Europa as an inconvenience. Usually because fans are so arrogant that they think their team is above the competition. A cup is still a cup and all those dissing it would still become suddenly interested if we look like winning it. Eds, is it this season where the victor gets into CL? If so, all the more reason not to discard it if that's where we end up

87red

Ed01{Ed001's Note - yes.}

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I guess you mean in the CL? If we win tonight i can see us then going on to beat Basle.

The Irish Rover

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26 Nov 2014 17:12:33
I've has the same post cut twice today about Gerrards role and BRs choice of words on the subject Ed(s), any idea why?

WelshBoyDave

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The first was published - probably on the Other page.}

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26 Nov 2014 17:35:35
My bad Ed, when I couldn't see it I used the 'my recent posts' tool but that doesn't cover the others page.
Cheers!

WelshBoyDave

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I have added that to Ed033's to do list for the future mate. It will take him a while to get round to it, but eventually the others pages will be included in the recent posts.}

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Just read the interview with BR and the Gerrard love in and was about to post.
It actually infuriated me.
Gerrards not to blame but the defence that keeps changing apparently.
Words fail me Brendan.

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26 Nov 2014 16:40:59
Ed001, You go on about DOF, I disagree we need one, how would you like it if you were the manager and you had to coach players that were not your choice or you didn't think were good enough.

At the end of the day the manager should have total responsibility of who he signs and who goes, at least then if it doesn't work out the onus on him, if you have a DOF and it doesn't work out, who do you blame?

Regarding Chelsea who is their DOF ?and does he choose the players that Chelsea sign?because I for thinks that Mouriniho chooses the players he wants to sign

alan50

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Michael Emenalo has that role at Chelsea and he contributes to all decisions regarding the buying of players - as do others, including at least one external advisor.}

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It's not about blaming if things don't go well, it's about avoiding such a situation by not just letting one guy call the shots when bringing in players, etc.

The real AG

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Couldn't disagree more, alan50. At the very minimum a DoF/Technical Director/Sporting Director/whatever you want to call them would allow a degree continuity during inevitable managerial changes rather than the constant chop and change we've experienced lately going from Hodgson to Dalglish to Rodgers. In theory it would also give the first team coach more time to spend on the training pitch and focused on their primary mission rather than worrying about broader strategy and vision.

If I were in BR's shoes, I would not only stop being obstinate about it, but would whole-heartedly embrace it. I was in a similar position (albeit in a traditional corporate sense) and upon sage advice from a good friend realized that I could either be a part of the solution in helping appoint someone I didn't feel necessary over me or I could be viewed as part of the problem. It was spot on advice and allowed me to be a part of the interview process rather than becoming a casualty of it.

RDL

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In effect we have 4 or 5 DOF's (the committee) and look at how that's turned out. It didn't work when we had Damien Comolli either, so I don't understand why everyone is obsessing over a DOF. Maybe because Ed1 suggested it?

In my view there is just as much risk with having a DOF as there is not having one. We should be looking to bring in a manager who has a good track record in previous transfer windows and give him full control. For me, a builder needs to buy his own tools, or you could end up trying to mix cement with a whisk!

Red Rum

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Comolli wasn't a DoF, nor is the transfer committee. Your whole post makes no sense whatsoever.}

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I agree that having a manager that calls all the shots is out dated.

The Irish Rover

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What ever you wanna call it ed it, the committee and Comolli were appointed to remove full control of transfers away from the manager.

You may be right a DOF could work depending on who is appointed, but in my opinion instead of appointing a manager that can't be trusted with transfers, we need to make sure we bring in someone who knows what they are bloody doing.

Red Rum

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27 Nov 2014 06:33:04
Ed002 on your reply, I still think Jose knows what and which player he wants and the club gets it done.
BR has no idea on this.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have explained it - why make stuff up?}

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26 Nov 2014 15:22:28
Ed002, A question to you,

With so much being said and speculation on a DOF, do you think that's the immediate and best solution to come out form the crisis?
We have literally 6 months and huge wage bill to cover up making top 4 a must.
A new DOF would need time to restructure the set up.
Would you agree we need a better a manager and an immediate one to rescue our poor season?

Your thought mate.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The best solution is to:
- Get advice from third parties. THis has been ongoing.
Get that advice checked by other third parties.
- Get a full independent evaluation of the entire business run in Liverpool and London. Evaluate the commercial operation, the staffing, the coaching, the man management, the medical aspects, operations, etc..
- Gag the manager - this is again in hand.
- Bring in a general manager to oversee the stadium redevelopment and to support the operations in Liverpool.
- Cut out the surplus staff and processes from the commercial operations, reorganise and sort out the mess of and relocate the London office (this part of it has been completed in recent weeks).
- Redo the five year plan and re-evaluate all of the exit points.
- Re-organise the sporting side of the business with better defined roles and responsibilities - this is where the DoF, coaching side would be addressed.}

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Wish the gag was more effective, he's backed himself into a corner with Gerrard and almost made him unstoppable.

Mr Dennis

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26 Nov 2014 14:59:34
Hi Ed002, I was just wondering, what do you think of the job fsg have done so far? You have a lot more knowledge about the subject and I wanted to know your opinion!

I think they've made some mistakes but I do think we as a fan base owe them a lot.

Thanks in advance.

TjRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - People Wise: There have been mistakes - mainly with the recruitment: Comolli, Dalglish, Chang and Rodgers are the highest profile errors - and they were all major misjudgements on behalf of FSG. It was a pity Graham Bartlett felt he had to move on.

Financially: FSG has also put a lot of their own money in to the club and have taken loans for a lot more. The cost of running the club is well beyond their expectations and they previously through money at the Red Sox to get success - and they did. That approach has failed miserably at Liverpool and they know it. The stadium will be done in phases now and I suspect only the first phase will be done under FSG who are looking for sponsors for naming rights to the stand - and critically to Anfield.

The future: FSG want the best for the club and for the business. However, I suspect an exit in 2017.}

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26 Nov 2014 17:11:37
Out of interest, was Chang a mistake they could reasonably been expected to catch? I thought he was reasonably well regarded before he decided to start threatening bloggers, or was he always known as crazy

hjikle

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He was a huge mistake.}

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I think this is what concerns me most about the situation. To say FSG's managerial-type selections have been poor is perhaps being kind and I see them on the same quality level in terms of decision making as those made by our transfer committee. Really hoping whatever they decide to do, if anything, proves to be the correct decision(s).

RDL

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26 Nov 2014 14:59:02
So after reading the posts all things point to Rafa as the DOF. Another poor choice beckons, hopefully not De Boer SIGH!

Personally i think we need to go for a winner not a young manager who learns on the job and is brain dead with tactics and transfers. TICK TOCK Brendan.

I have no idea why Huddink has not been mentioned however i can't see him working with a DOF therefore if FSG are sticking to the young manager motto i believe AVB/Rafa could make things work.

Everyone raves about how Rodgers made Suarez what he is yet nobody says the same thing about AVB/Bale! Would be worth a shout eds? And before you mention that high line he used recall Llori and use Sakho and i think we would be ok!

At least AVB has actually won stuff, had a plan with regards to tactics but has been unlucky with owners maybe he deserves one last go at the Prem!

ATM we have a no mark who has won nothing who can't attract players because he has no history and no idea what he is doing besides clinging to Gerrard hoping for him to back him because as Rafa found out if Gerrard doesn't trust you your gone!

Hopefully this move is made quickly like Ed002 says. With links to Porto maybe AVB could make the Martinez deal happen and hopefully use the new MESSI AKA Markovic in the deal! Its about time we got rid of the dead wood!

How can it be so obvious to the liverpool fans with actual brains that another serious rebuild is needed yet FSG and rodgers continue to act calm!

Anyway am off to put a nice bet on a Lovren or Skertel own goal tonight to knock us out the champions league for another 4/5 years!

YNWA

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26 Nov 2014 13:04:46
"Gerrard can't play 3 games in a week". So he's kept in for palace game to miss Ludogorets and probably play against Stoke on Saturday? He can't manage the squad. Sterling has been terrible and his confidence is visably shot since playing 120 mins and then missing penalty against Boro. Days before the derby. Complained of being tired but doesn't get rested by us. Hearing commentators saying it's a world cup hangover. Rodgers subs Coutinho and Lallana off all the time and leaves him on. Doesn't matter how many extra coaches are brought in if he can't even prioritise the games and manage squad accordingly

redgib

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26 Nov 2014 14:15:26
Your assessment on Sterling is hilarious to core. did he not signed a bumper contract full on confidence recently?
At this rate his confidence would only return when Liverpool would have another penalty shootout?

Passion_pride_LFC

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A mate Stevie G may not be alone in that statement you gave some of them can't play one game a week

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26 Nov 2014 12:20:29
This whole director of football talk makes absolute sense if responsibilities are delegated correctly and we can fit the role with the right profile & personnel. Some people think Joe Kinnear or Baldini when the role is mentioned, it isn't quite like that. The biggest part of the process is having a manager who is happy to be a coach & concentrate with only what happens on the pitch, that is pivotal. A team might be drawn up around the head coach by a DOF and then the head coach will be in charge of that team. You have to have a complete open mind and not be so stubborn, listen to specific orders and accept your responsibilities.

Off the field matters in its many things a couple of points making sure the foundations of a well-established academy are being solidified and making sure the team of scouts around him are developing the younger players correctly. Throughout a season, scouts will attend matches home and abroad looking at profiles of certain players. Charlton are a unique example, the manager will ask for a certain profile of player then the scouts will draw up a list of players they think are suitable then attend the matches and draw up a report. It isn't the man in the armchair scenario many think, it's a hands on role which allows the head coach to focus his full attention on the on-field matters. The Head coach will have a say in transfers but not THE say if that makes sense, a committee like structure is put in place not too dis-similar to ours but the main difference being it is not being controlled by the manager.

Ive mentioned Monchi before as a excellent candidate if he 1. Became available 2. If he were interested in the post 3. If we ever offered him the post, all of which unlikely at this time but he is the type of man I think would be perfect for the role. He runs Sevilla financially excellent, he has made cute signings and has developed Sevilla's academy into one of the best in Spain. Read up the article 'the man that built Sevilla' on ESPN for more info if your interested.

For me a club Is not about a successful individual it's about a successful team of people who are professionals in specific areas of the club and are there to help one another. It's a process in my view that is absolutely vital, the pressures can't be put on one man it has to be a team of people with left sided views and right sided views. In my eyes Rodgers has a team of yes men around his, no one with any real backbone to challenge any decision, that's for sure needs to change.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Another five years of transition then.}

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We have made some cute signings too. toure is quite the cute guy.

Kaizer

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Where did I mention the words transition or 5 years?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Who said that you did?}

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26 Nov 2014 13:48:17
If everything happens on the stats and past example then we would have been on the top of the table with players we purchased.

Passion_pride_LFC

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27 Nov 2014 06:33:24
Sorry Ed002, but what do you think should be done and how long do you honestly feel your option would take.

You talk about getting independent advice, Independant evaluations of all business and strategy, re-organisation, staff cuts, bringing in general manager, bringing in DOF etc so how long do you think all that would take and then for all that to settle so the team and all other staff are comfortable and committed to this new system.

Sounds like a 3 to 5 year plan to me.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have no idea how you have come to that conclusion, particularly as part of it has been done already.}

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26 Nov 2014 12:08:57
Hi eds just like to say eds where is kidmillions and ianthered liked there posts I know Ian's mother wasn't well hope things improved mate if you read this.

Tommy Irish Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - How on earth would we know where they are?}

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Ed have you stopped hacking the webcams then. it can't have been pretty.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - we can rely on the govt to hack cams for us now mate, no need for us to continue to do so, GCHQ does it all for us.....}

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26 Nov 2014 12:03:55
mmmmmm. .its all gone Pete Tong.


I would like to say that I hope that the club don't rush to a decision on Rodgers .They obviously rushed on the decision to hire him despite his unwillingness to work within the planned structure.

I hope that this 'consultation' is thorough and thought through . I believe that the club should not hire a stopgap as this will make the next few years transitional .

I hope that if it becomes clear that we are unlikely for top four as it will be by the Man Utd game (if there is not a massive turn around ).Then the club will look for the longer term even if that means effectiveley writing off this season.

I was full of hope with what looked like a realistic strategy from FSG built on young hungry players ( hopefully from the academy) with decent resale value .I also liked the fact that they had gone for a manager who looked to have a philosophy.

The millions wasted by ignoring burgeoning talent not to mention the on field cost is truly depressing.I have to say that we will be counting the cost of losing such quality for years to come .Why would a young exciting talent come to Liverpool, the chances of them breaking through are less than Glen Johnson getting dropped!

I could not care less if there is a DOF, head coach, manager etc .What I do care about is that there is a clear plan for the future and that we stick with it .

Klinsman took dogs abuse for his attempts to modernise German football . He was supported and the structure he helped establish has lead to continued success.

I hope that as a club Owners, staff, fans we look further than a quick fix .We must now realise that to truly achieve this great clubs potential we must make massive changes .I believe for too long we have simply tried to keep up by spending money we don't have .

I look at the mess on and off the pitch we are in, the complete fantasy land many of us fans live in and can't help be slightly embarassed.

Look at Southampton, a team with a clear structure the playing staff change, the coaching staff change but the underlying priciples remain. Southampton had to make changes out of neccesity but at the moment they have more money, a better youth system, a better team .

Instead of always looking up at the sky, spouting big names, marquee signings I think we need to start looking at the basics . We are a poor side with dodgy finances but huge potential .

I personally hope we don't make massive signings in Jan as we can't afford it and I want better for the club than papering over the cracks however much it pleases the fans.

You must remember 'you are only as good as your last game' and on that basis I hope we start being a bit more realistic about where we are as a football club.

YNWA

kobi   kobi
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A gree w/ u completely and that is what I thought we were getting w/ BR until we found out he was a complete narcassist (spelling) who is only interested in himself.

redohio

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Brilliant post Kobi.

jonnybarnes89-90

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Surely its already clear that we are not going to make top four this season?
In the last 10 years or so, no club has ever come from 12th place in november to make a top four finish.
My heart says its still possible, but history says we've got about a one in twenty chance of making it into a CL spot, and the owners will be well aware of that.
So I think Rodgers is probably gone, even if we claw our way up to sixth or fifth place by next May.

anonymush

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26 Nov 2014 17:19:05
In fairness anonymush, no club has gone from 12th in Nov to top for in over a decade. But plenty have made top 4 after being 5 points behind which is surely the more relevant set of figures?

hjikle

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26 Nov 2014 17:28:57
Anonymush

Mate if we don't attain Top4, that would be as good as going into administration. 5th highest wage bill outside CL spot is a suicide crime.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Hjikle, that is a good point, and the points gap must be some part of the overall picture in terms of us making fourth spot, as well as looking at the relative table positions as I said.

But think about it- the spread of points between 4th place and 12th at this point in the season has varied over the last ten years, and yet no team has surmounted that gap from 12th to reach 4th spot, regardless of how big or small that points gap was in the November.

That doesn't mean it's impossible for us to get the place- of course not. Sport is full of unlikely turnarounds and victories.
But us being in 12th place now makes it very unlikely that we'll get 4th place, and 4th place is getting more unlikely with every game that goes by without a win.

And when you factor in that BR has confirmed that we won't be buying anyone of note in January, and that he has not shown any real signs of having a plan B that will turn things around in terms of better tactics or improving performances, I personally can't see how our league form is going to change significantly. Even if we get a couple of wins before the New Year and reach 8th or 9th, the general trend of our points per game is nowhere near top four, and every game we go without a win means we have to do even better than 2 points per game after January.
Its not enough to play like a CL side from now on- for us to close the gap to 4th and overtake so many teams, we need to play like a top two side, In other words we now need to average 2.4 points per game if we are going to make 76 points, and thus have a shot at 4th place.

Like all fans, I have my red-coloured specs that tell me we still have a chance, and I'll probably go on hoping like that until its mathematically impossible, but the realist in me in is saying that already, even at this point in the season, we won't close that gap because Rodgers does not have what it takes to get the team playing again at the level needed.
It gives me absolutely no pleasure to say it and I really hope I'm wrong, but putting hopes aside, the reality is that we now have only a remote chance of getting 4th place.

anonymush

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26 Nov 2014 11:29:10
A question for the Eds: do you think Rodgers will continue to play his way even though he must know it isn't working?
Playing out from the back, slowly and unsuccessfully. Mignolet trying to pass to the full backs on the halfway line and the full backs going forward willy nilly. Gerrard holding. A lightweight and slow midfield.
Basically, trying to play like Barcelona with Birmingham players?
Is he really that stubborn, arrogant or stupid?

Rigsby

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the tactics are.}

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26 Nov 2014 14:58:02
Haha, cheers, Ed002. And neither have the players, it seems.
I mean could you see BR becoming more conservative a la Rafa or Houllier?

Rigsby

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26 Nov 2014 14:58:22
The tactics are quite simple at the moment Ed002.
Give it to Mingolet and let him kick it off the pitch!

jonnybarnes89-90

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26 Nov 2014 10:36:11
"We have got resilience. Okay, we will sometimes concede more than we would like but I don't think you can doubt the characterization of this team. It can't be criticized. We have got players here who have shown they have got courage and spirit."

The above is a snippet from BR's pre match press conference from yesterday.

Okay, now a few things concern me with regards the above snippet.

Firstly, "we have got resilience." No we don't. Our worse league start in 22 years, 9 defeats already this season succumbing to very poor teams such as Newcastle, Palace, Villa and West Ham to name but a few tell me we don't.

Secondly, "Okay, we will sometimes concede more than we would like" Okay? No it's not okay, nor is it okay hearing you dismiss it like it's nothing important.

And lastly he went on to say, "but I don't think you can doubt the characterization of this team. It can't be criticized. We have got players here who have shown they have got courage and spirit."

Yes BR, we can doubt the characterization (noun, meaning quality) of this team because apart from the Spurs game, the team has been awful. And it can be criticized, should be criticized and deserves to be criticized by all and sundry. And as for the courage and spirit remark, don't make me laugh because it's not been on display once this season.

YNWA.

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Another reason why he should stop talking because he is only making things worse by opening his mouth.

redohio

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26 Nov 2014 14:17:29
I have only one concern with BR, He couldn't do anything to stop conceding goals in 3 years.
That's more than enough for him to step down.

Passion_pride_LFC

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26 Nov 2014 14:58:29
Still find it funny when fans write a long piece with literally not a positive word to say and sign it off with YNWA.

hjikle

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Hjikle, I sign off with YNWA because I love my club. And I write the above post because I'm saddened to see it, in the state, that it is currently in. And it will continue to be in a mess unless major changes are made at many levels.

YNWA.

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Not an excuse but p*sses me off when people say teams like West Ham are poor just because they're historically smaller. They've got some quality players.

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Passion Pride- that is the reason he should be sacked, the defense has been shocking from the day he took over and there has been no improvement.
Too many excuses looking for positives with BR - Terrible Defense Guys, absolutely Shambolic defense for three years, enough is enough

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Whats more concerning that a man with so much on the line still can't get his ego out his head and still makes pathetic excuses instead of sounding like the determined workaholic we had signed on 2 years ago.

I was having a conversation with my barber, as always, about the football, and he tol me about how his son, had come in days before and even he had said that his dad was distracted with other things and not the workaholic and humble man he once was, that he had been losing weight, changed his hair style, whitened his teeth, copped off with the club secretary, had even been going into town clubbing and is currently pre occupied with moving into the gerrards house.

his arrogance has ruined him and he needs to be brought back down to earth.

Anonymous Woolback

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26 Nov 2014 10:28:12
I know i'm likely to be universally panned for this, but what about Steve McClaren in a Director of Football role?

He is experienced across Europe, but knows the Premiership very well. (something Ed001 (and I) think is vital)

Personally I think having him as director of football with a young ambitious head coach would be a good solution.

Should Rodgers leave my dream team would be:

DOF: Steve McClaren
Head Coach: Unai Emery/Tomas Tuchel/Vitor Perreira (1 of them)

Ed001, what's your opinion of McClaren, would he suit Liverpool? And would he leave Derby for us?

Of the 3 head coaches above, do you rate any of them? Would any of them be interested?

Cheers in advance

RedDawn

Ed02{Ed002's Note - So what would these people be doing and how would it help anything. All of this talk of a DoF is naïve and embarrassing when nobody has suggested what their job might be.}

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26 Nov 2014 12:02:51
I was using the model that Ed001 discussed previously, in that the Director of Football takes overall control of the direction of the football club (with input from the board)

So the DoF would be responsible for designing a vision for how the club should play, a heavy degree of control over the players bought (with finances strictly controlled by the board), and would then be responsible for implementing this vision throughout the club from top to bottom (very similar to the way Cruyff works at Ajax now)

The Head Coach would then be responsible for implementing this vision within the first team. They would be responsible for training, for integrating young players at the DoF's behest, and for match day tactics etc.

The DoF would also then of course bring in people (or utilise what is there) at different levels throughout the club, to ensure that the overall vision is maintained. This would be everyone from youth coaches to team doctors. The DoF would have the power to bring in additional staff, or relocate staff to fill gaps if they developed, for example a Defensive Coach to fix a leaky Defence or a GK coach.

I remember reading a very good article on the BBC (around christmas last year I think) about Cortese at Southampton and how he implemented his vision across the whole club. We know that relationship didn't end brilliantly, but I think the idea has merit.

I don't know if this is how these roles would work in real life, I was working from what Ed001 has said recently surrounding the role of Cruyff at Ajax etc, I think another good example is Monchi at Sevilla, but he is more geared towards young player development it would seem rather that total control of the direction of the club.

I may be way wide of the mark, and i'm always happy to be corrected if so.

Cheers for the swift reply though Ed002.

RedDawn

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You should take all of this to the fantasy football pages.}

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I think that's a little harsh Ed. I don't know how these things work i'm just trying to piece things together a bit.

Everyone keeps talking about Managers or Head Coaches or Directors of Football and I am just trying to make sense of it all.

The way that Cruyff works, that Ed001 has mentioned on a number of occasions is very similar to the model I described above, I don't see how that is "fantasy".

In addition the detailed article about Cortese showed that he also worked in a similar way to what I described (although with less direct involvement in the tactics etc).

However, seeing as that is obviously not the right way to look at it, it has been mentioned before (certainly by Ed001 and perhaps you as well) that FSG's preferred option was to have a Director of Football after Kenny left.

How did FSG envisage such a role working? Were they looking for a figure like Cruyff, or did they have their own idea of what the role should encompass?

Cheers for the swift replies though, much appreciated!

RedDawn

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I don't want to be too harsh on you but people have completely lost direction over this "DoF" role. The owners are, fortunately, looking at a much larger picture.}

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It's good to hear that the owner's are looking at the bigger picture.

Are you able to give us an indication of what they are thinking at the moment? (nothing specific of course)

Or perhaps more interesting, what do you think is needed to fix things at Liverpool?

Many other teams seem to be leaving us behind at the moment, in terms of club structure, income streams and of course results on the pitch, and I am very concerned that we could slip away into relative obscurity.

Cheers in advance

RedDawn

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have explained over and over.}

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I see the director of football role as being someone who works as the link between the owners and the coaching staff.
A director of football would have to be a mediator who finds common ground between "what the manager wants" and what the owners "say the manager can have".
The owners need to have a clear vision.
I am not sure what that vison is at the moment but I would hazard a guess in the short term that we must qualify for the Champions League every year while not spending the sums we currently are on players.
We can't match Chelsea and City in terms of sheer wealth but we have a bigger fan base and if we used our academy the right way we might be able to match these clubs by being clever.
A strategy of introducing young talent and buying top quality only when we have to is not a bad starting point in my opinion.
The last window was a disgrace looking back now.
I think we can all agree that a large amount of this money looks, at the moment, to have been wasted.
We all hope that Lovren Lambert etc all improve but at this moment it does not look good.
A director of football or "an old wise head" as they should call it would have been able to ask the basic questions on transfer policy.
"Why do we need Markovic when Ibe is already here?"
Why sign a young right back when we have sent a young right back on loan to a club in the same division?
"Why not spend some of the Suarez money on someone who plays a bit like Suarez?"
The coach/manager and the D Of Football do not always need to agree but do need to work together for the common good of the club so in my opinion they have at least like each other to begin with.
The question mark I have over this type of structure is that everyone can blame everyone else when the ship hits the iceberg.
I can see a lot of bucks being passed under the director of football model.
This has happened to a lesser extent at Liverpool this season because of this "transfer committee".
Ambiguity remains over who buys the players, the committee or Rodgers.
I would say at the moment our structure is a halfway house between the director of football model and the traditional "Ferguson model" ( for want of a better description)
I think I am in the No camp for a director of football model.
I think it over complicates what can be an easy process.
I think a good assistant manager should be able to ask the questions which need asking regarding transfer policy that need asking as well as a good chief exec.
The most successful clubs in this country have based that success on the Ferguson model rather than a director of football model.
Maybe because it is a foreign idea which is given short shrift in this country because we are too stuck in our ways. who knows.
The interesting thing for me is that Ferguson started off as a manager and then when he had the full support of the board/fans/players he became more like a director of football as time went on.
My apologies for the long posts guys but my type of work slows down around Christmas so I have loads of time on my hands. Bored.
Poor Eds.
I just can't stop posting.
I need some sort of plug to stem the flow>>:)
ha ha

jonnybarnes89-90

Ed01{Ed001's Note - the Ferguson model became him as DoF mate. He never took training, that was left to his coaches. Hence why there was such a variance in styles played depending on who was his number 2 at the time. He oversaw the training, but he wasn't running it like a traditional British style manager. The reason he was able to stay successful for so long wasn't just having a lot of money to spend, it was knowing when to delegate. The DoF has to be in charge and make the decisions, otherwise it becomes as you have said, no one in clear control, as is currently happening at Spurs.}

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Was Ferguson's style of management like a director of football when he joined United in the 1980's or did he adapt as he gained more and more control?
Also Ed. If you don't mind.
What are your opinions on the director of football being an ex player/manager of the club in question?
It seems to me. and I may be wrong that most director's of football at clubs around the world tend to work best if they have an affiliation with the club in some way.
A Daglish type of figure to use an example.

jonnybarnes89-90

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it was always very similar to a DoF as he was never really a coach, which the old style managers were first and foremost.

I don't think it matters if they have a previous affiliation with the club, it just matters that they have a clear style that they wish to be implemented and a good idea about the type of players needed to do so. It is more about their intelligence than there affinity.}

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26 Nov 2014 07:59:03
Hi eds,
I've been coming to this site long enough now to know that the information given by you all is pretty accurate. I'm aware you've had a lot of questions on the future of Brendan Rodgers, so I'm sorry to ask you another one! I just want to know, Ed001 particularly, how likely is it that Brendan Rodgers will no longer be the manager of Liverpool FC in the near future?

And if it's likely, then when do you expect him to go?
(I just want to go on record to say that I personally don't believe that sacking BR is the right solution, but I'll support the club no matter what they do).
Thanks in advance Eds,
YNWA

oweng

Ed01{Ed001's Note - if I was in a country that allowed gambling, I would have put money on him not being in charge next season a long time ago. And I don't gamble if I am not sure.}

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Ed01

Do we have to wait that long? really? It could be difficult enticing somebody to manage in the Championship.

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26 Nov 2014 11:46:38
Can't gamble, so those rumours of an secret casino beneath the Burj Al Arab are false then?

Roland-dinho

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He's 15/8 to be in charge on the last day of the season on PP, ed you want me to put any money down for you?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - hahaha no mate, as I was going to put money down in the hope of being wrong, as that would mean we played well the rest of the season.}

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26 Nov 2014 06:13:29
Morning eds and reds, what i am about to say will cause a bit of uproar. Regarding the issue of suso, first of all i am a massive fan of his, he has talent and potential, no doubt about that but, i kind of think he is massively overhyped by some fans on here. The thing is, if he goes what i will watch out for from him is his performance for his next club(preferably milan)to really see if he can fulfill his potential, only then i will criticize his sales.i know some will say he did quite well at almeria, okay agreed but i think the manager(rodgers)knows the players more than us(fans), that is why i will reserve my judgement of him(suso).

Livelypool

Ed01{Ed001's Note - if Rodgers is such a good judge of players, why does he continually pick the worst right back in the club's history, Glenn Johnson?}

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26 Nov 2014 10:09:57
As much as I dislike him playing Johnson, if is he the worse right back in the club's history, how did he get so many English caps? Are you saying that ALL the previous managers he played for were wrong, but you are right?

thecancan

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Phillipe degan??

Jrb

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26 Nov 2014 10:14:02
Ed01, that being said He plays Gerrard as a DM

Passion_pride_LFC

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If you consider Rodgers failed acquisitions, (too many to mention at this stage) it becomes glaringly obvious that he doesn't know his arse from his elbow !!

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Jan kronkamp can't forget that one ed!

Jrb

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Josemi!

You

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Phillip Degen?!!

ZARRAZ

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He fits nicely in between Kwarme and Degen for me.
Shame because Glenn has the attributes but not the footballing brain to accompany them.

jonnybarnes89-90

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Wouldn't it be great if arbeloa never left.
Always underrated in my eyes.

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26 Nov 2014 05:56:59
hello eds,

sorry for asking it once again. is de Boer tactically astute as in can he make the required changes for us to win a match.

thanks.

YNWA

14_lfc

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I honestly don't know mate, the Prem is a totally different kettle of fish than the Eredivisie.}

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26 Nov 2014 10:15:23
Spot on ed01, the league is a different ball game.
I would have myself gone for a bigger proven manager.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Koeman seems to be handling the league very well.

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26 Nov 2014 09:05:14
Can someone please tell me how Br is able to say he doesn't want a DOF?

If my boss said "Listen son, we think you need some help so we're going to hire someone to give you it" and I said "no i can do it on my own" I'd simply be told to comply or find a new job

JLPred

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26 Nov 2014 10:17:20
There are only few managers willing to work under a DOF.
I won't blame BR for that. Alan Padrew, AVB all examples.
Would Jose or Wenger no matter how worse the results are would work under a DOF?
Certainly not.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has a DoF - so you argument goes out of the window.}

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FSG wasnt his boss when he said no to the DOF. FSG agreed, then hired him.

The transfer committee tho, is exactly the same as your situation, which is why the transfer committee was set up despite BR not wanting it.

Kaizer

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Exactly, Ed. This "can`t have a DOF" business is a complete joke. Barca, RM, Bayern, City, Chelsea and the lot all have DOF`s with clearly defined functions. So for those saying a DOF is not needed should stop living in the past.

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26 Nov 2014 04:56:52
Ed's 001. In your opinion who will be the next Liverpool manager/head coach?

The_Brendans_Advocate

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I don't know, no decision has been made yet, though I know De Boer has both expressed an interest and is liked by some within the club. He was one of the shortlist last time around, but didn't feel ready to leave Ajax then so was ruled out. I know Laudrup is a possibility, but I feel the club can't fail to know about the shambles of his time at Swansea, including not taking training when it was raining etc. I think that they will think better of him as an option when they do their research. I know Klinsmann is well respected by FSG, but I can't see him leaving the USA to take the job. It really does seem De Boer would have to be the most likely.}

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Ed001 what about the DOF? Any names being discussed as of yet?

Indian Buzzer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Cruyff would be the choice, but he is not interested in another big job, hence his lack of interest last time around. I expect them to go for someone well known in the US, personally.}

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If only we can get Cruyff to come with him ey ed001.

Kaizer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I wish.}

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Thankyou for the swift and detailed response ed's 001 it's appreciated. I have reservations about De Boer but that's for another day. Let me ask you another question. Who do you think will be the new Liverpool FC DOF? And any names you know on the shortlist?

The_Brendans_Advocate

Ed01{Ed001's Note - not yet mate, but I am of the opinion (as are some people within the club) that it will be someone who is well known and respected in the US. Someone FSG know well, such as Bruce Arena, though I am not saying it will be him, just the kind of person I would think they will look for.}

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Honestly ed001, i feel like they should just look for a respected man in the business, not just in the US.

Kaizer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I agree, but they are from the US, so have some idea of who is respected there. Personally I think it would be best to bring in someone who knows the English league, as like all leagues it has its own personal foibles to overcome. That way they aren't wasting time learning the league at the start.}

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Ed's 001. If the logic is that the DOF sets the footballing blueprint for the head coach to follow then if we appoint an American DOF aren't we in trouble? Because as far as I know there isn't many American's who have the technical capabilities to take us forward. I stand corrected though.

The_Brendans_Advocate

Ed01{Ed001's Note - why would an American not have the technical capabilities to tell a coach he wants the team to play a quick passing, high pressing system, for example? He doesn't have to get into the nitty gritty of details, just set out a style for the coach to implement.}

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I know you said not Bruce Arena and I hope that's accurate. I don't meet many in world football, but did spend some time a few years back with Arena and then US manager Bob Bradley in a Q&A sort of thing. Anyways, Arena was a complete tool and massively disrespectful whereas Bradley was great to speak with and a real gentleman.

RDL

Ed01{Ed001's Note - don't worry, I was just using him as an example, not as someone I expect to get the role.}

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David Beckham?

RedDawn

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I could be DOF, just say I want you to play like Chelsea. I want you to promote from our accedemy before buying from other teams. I want you to drop Gerrard to a lesser role in the team, I want you to drop skrtle, I want you to sell Johnson, give suso a starting place, drop ballotelli for borini and only give one word answers in interviews. Lol
My salary is a basic of £1m a year, with bonuses for any major trophies won.
I can start next week. Haha

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26 Nov 2014 11:49:07
Joe Kinnear?

Roland-dinho

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26 Nov 2014 19:32:03
What a pathetic, stereotypical, insecure, and ignorant remark by Brendan's advocate

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26 Nov 2014 04:55:08
We've been beaten 8 times this season in all competitions. That is an appalling stat. No wonder there's no confidence in the group we expect to lose each time we play. This so called 'consultation' FSG are carrying out for the sake of our short/medium term future must be finalized quickly because were becoming a laughing stock. The way I see it is that FSG are in the process of recruiting a DOF and a head coach and putting the feelers out for availability hence the delay in sacking Rogers. I have an ex journalist buddy of mine who lives in Copenhagen and the rumour in Denmark is that Laudrup is being strongly linked with the job and he will have no qualms about working under a DOF. I really don't think De Boer is the answer. I truly believe Rafa is the way forward. He will give us immediate solidity and will have no problems dumping Gerrard if need be. We need a man of steel to make tough, unpopular decisions and I believe Rafa is the man. De Boer is to wishy washy for me and another in the mold of Rogers. I honestly would love to see the King take the job if it meant Rogers would leave post haste.

The_Brendans_Advocate

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You. should change your name.

Kaizer

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Have you heard of something called Irony, Kaizer? If not listen to a few Alanis Morisette ditties and I'm sure you'll stumble across it.

The_Brendans_Advocate

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Class Kaizer !!

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I was w/ you until the Rafa part which is not viable at this point. He`s old news and should stay there.

redohio

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26 Nov 2014 19:37:44
How does winning 3 championships since 2010 count as wishy washy?

AnfieldUSA

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26 Nov 2014 02:14:39
Eds do you believe the owners will first hire a director before they hire a new manager or will they simply replace Rodgers and keep thue same structural set up?

Penguin

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I expect the DoF system to be put in place, personally.}

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26 Nov 2014 03:26:55
Ed01, you believe BR would ever willing to work under a DOF?

Kerala_reds

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no, I don't think his pride would allow it right now.}

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26 Nov 2014 03:39:33
Ed01 on your above reply.
What does that mean?
My take on this, we don't need a DOF, as it will bring more trouble with him and BR. We would be a laughing stock in the papers.
Either a new class manager who has a pretty god track record or stick with BR ( A poor choice )

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I mean they will rip out the old system, lock, stock and barrel, and replace it with a DoF and his choice of manager, I think.}

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Good on them. BR will not be here whe that DOF is installed because his stupid pride as Ed said won`t allow it and in the end, will get him sacked.

redohio

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26 Nov 2014 00:40:30
Brendan Rodgers has bascially taken on with LFC what is akin to being the Chief Operations Officer (COO) at a large corporation. Being the Manager makes you responsible for whatever items the CEO/Board chooses for you.

In Rodgers case, he simply does not have the experience for a job of this magnitude, it's akin to going from COO at a chain of 5 takeaway shops to the COO of McDonalds.

That's not to say he's the wrong person for the job, rather that he needs a mentor, someone who has been there and done that and the obvious position is that of Director of Football to support him.

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Brendan does not need a mentor. He had one in Jose and no matter what u think of Jose, he is a world class manager who brings out the best in his players, a trait which Brendan failed to pick up on. What Brendan needs is the sack to cut him down to size due to his stubborness and arrogance which will cost him his job a fair few times.

Indian Buzzer

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26 Nov 2014 03:41:48
Indian
This DOF things reminds me couple of months ago when we sold Suarez and expected the 9 incomings to do the job.
Didn't happen. Either he should go out and get a world class manager else stick with him.

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - they are nothing like the same thing, we don't need a manager, the club is too big for a manager to cope successfully. Football has moved on.}

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Jose would never be a true mentor for him, he's just not that kind of manager and why would he help someone like Rodgers once they were at the helm of one of their big rivals. The mentor should be either at the club or plying his trade in a different league.

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Passion_pride_LFC, the club has not had a DOF in charge since Brendan too over. An experienced DOF would have recognized the team's shortcomings and taken care of player transfers, allowing Brendan to work with what he was given without outside distractions. Instead Brendan collided with a clueless transfer committee and the results were beyond disastrous. The weaknesses of the team were not overcome and Brendan went back to his failed philosophy. Do u really think someone like Cruyf would have let this happen? We need an out and out football man in charge with a head coach dealing with the coaching aspects and would be more than happy to play 2nd in charge. Unfortunately Brendan has to big an ego to play 2nd fiddle and this is clearly hurting the club. FSG should employ a respected football person as DOF and let him choose the head coach of his choice, who does not have ego issues.
Leighbo, Brendan himself said he learnt a lot from Jose when they were at Chelsea together during Jose's first spell there, and did refer to him as his mentor even allowing him to attend the first team coaching sessions so clearly Jose did help out Brendan. Its just that Brendan's big nose and ego got in the way and he learned nothing from the experience.

Indian Buzzer

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26 Nov 2014 05:44:14
Indian

What happens when the DOF and manager has completely different choices over players?

Baldini and AVB??

My strong note is transfer should be off the Managers choice, So does I want a new manager who know exactly what he wants and how he wants the team to play.

Jose, 3 players right into the starting eleven.

CM - Fabrigas
ST - costa
LB - Luis

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - the DoF should make the decision and the coach should coach the players he is given. Any other way is a recipe for disaster.}

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Passion_pride_LFC, u are comparing Jose and Brendan now? Jose has earned the right to be referred to as a manager of a big club, Brendan has not. Jose knew the deficiencies in his squad and rectified them They needed a striker, LB and a top notch CM and covered those positions in the summer with quality players because of the manager's reputation. Brendan is a nobody who needs to earn his way to the top. Instead he has let all the hype get to his head and ruined our season. Jose does not need a DOF because he knows what he is doing and the owner trusts him.
Baldini and AVB's case cannot be compared. AVB was Levy's choice, Baldini came to Spurs a year later and his ideas simply did not match those of AVB. AVB was not Baldini's choice for manager, it was Levy pulling the strings at Spurs.
Let FSG appoint a reputed football person as DOF and let him choose the manager of his choice.

Indian Buzzer

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26 Nov 2014 06:00:28
Ed01, the system involving a DOF would only work with a young manager willing to share half of the pride.
Someone who is very new to game as any higher pedigree wouldn't work under a DOF?

Bring a DOF and we continue to play under another small name?

You think it would bring an improvement on the pitch?

Passion_pride_LFC

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Pep works under a DoF. In fact almost all continental managers do. I really don't see the issue here.}

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26 Nov 2014 10:20:26
Indian

Buddy, I am not competing Jose to BR in any scale. But then you shouldn't hand over 700million world wide supported one of the biggest brand in football to someone who has been sacked by reading and had a season at Swansea.

Passion_pride_LFC

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Passion pride, Azpilacueta is Chelsea's starting LB, and a superb one at that. Matic would be a better example.

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Neither do I, Ed as many clubs and big time managers use a DOF. It all depends on his functions and how they are defined. If they are clearly stated and the head coach can work with said DOF hand-in-hand, it will work.

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25 Nov 2014 23:52:03
There is something I can't quite understand, it has been said FSG wanted a DOF but Rodgers wouldn't agree to work that way, it's also been said that due to the transfer commitee some of the buys haven't been Rodgers choice, if both are correct why would Rodgers agree to the latter but not the former, can any of the Eds clarify?

Alanhuyton

Ed01{Ed001's Note - initially all the people approached were not interested in taking the job under a DoF, so the idea was shelved. Some, such as De Boer, just didn't feel ready to take on the job, others, such as Rodgers and Martinez, just didn't want to work with a DoF. So when he came in, as the top choice of the options available, and no one they wanted willing to work with a DoF, FSG gave way on that particular point.

The transfer committee was forced on him because of his failings in the market. It wasn't an option, he had no say in the matter and his position at the time had been weakened due to his failure to sign the right players and to take the club up the table.}

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26 Nov 2014 07:56:56
Giving Brendan the job in the first place was FSG's biggest mistake till date. Not to mention bowing down to his ridiculous demands of wanting complete control over the club's transfer dealings.

Giving so much control to a one season wonder of a manager was always going to end in tears just like Ed002 predicted 2 years ago about Brendan and AVB. I fail to understand where Brendan got so much of his arrogance from after just one decent season with Swansea. LFC does not need power hungry people at the helm, it needs people who will adjust their ideas for the greater good.

Indian Buzzer

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If the Reading Chairman`s comments after he sacked BR are true then he`s always been a stubborn and arrogant man who thinks he`s smarter than he actually is.

redohio

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Cheers Ed01

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25 Nov 2014 20:53:24
ed001 If Rodgers goes and a new man comes in, do you think they could persuade Suso to stay? or does it appear his mind is already made up?

Liverworc

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I would only be guessing, as there are so many possible variables involved. It would certainly increase the chances of him staying.}

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Ed001 if there is any hope of Suso staying, then Brendan needs to be kicked out in the next couple of weeks before Suso signs a pre contract with Milan in January. It would also take a the new man in charge some time to convince Suso to stay so action needs to be taken as soon as possible.

Indian Buzzer

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26 Nov 2014 03:43:33
Don't think Suso would get another chance. if he isn't getting a game with his preferred pass and move system how would he get now?

Passion_pride_LFC

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26 Nov 2014 10:20:21
Don't understand all this obsession with Suso, you'r making him out to be world class. In my opinion he was average at best.
Give it a few years and let's see if he turns out to be a super star or just an average player

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