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23 Jan 2017 20:19:22
A take on wingers, because today I'm baffled slightly. Origi can't play wide and no confidence at the moment, sturridge can't play wide and doesn't really look like he can be arsed anyway, Ojo coming back from a long injury and not being rushed, coutinho the same, mane at the afcon. lallana and Firmino are totally wasted out wide when they should be cm and cf. I guess my point is, why've we sent markovic back out on loan?!
We've an international winger on our books, who's wages we are paying, going back out on loan when we are in dire need of wingers.
Truly baffled, if he plays well at hull, people and myself included will be saying "he could be doing that for us" and if he doesn't play well or should I say, we don't expect him to play well (shown by the fact he's let him go on loan when we need a winger) then just sell the poor sod as he's clearly not rated by Klopp.
Eds said we wouldn't buy to replace mane for a month, but we already have a player who deserves at least one shot after what the clubs put him through!

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{Ed002's Note - Markovic is another not wanted by Klopp who the club really wanted to sell but over-priced him in the summer. The club's agreement of the player originally saw another Premier League club benefit significantly from the move and it saw the club sign up to a truly bizarre on-going deal involving image rights and significant payments by the club (to this day - and even whilst he has been on loan). Once Klipperty decides a player is not for him - that is it. To the detriment of the team - that is it.}

23 Jan 2017 18:40:58
My own take. On Liverpool's season. From now onwards, we should play with serious aggression and that should start with the upcoming FA Cup semi final tie. Every department must be ready to give more than 100%, we might be a work in progress but we deserve a trophy this season and much more.
Eds please keep up the good work.

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23 Jan 2017 19:32:00
The FA cup semi final will be a tad too late for the aggression to come back, but it will allow for a nice long rest in preparation for the next season.

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23 Jan 2017 18:14:34
After going to game on Saturday and not flying home till sunday night I brought my youngfella to prenton park yesterday to watch U23s. First off good to see Matip and gomez on the field together - so after watching both games I think Kevin Stewart 100% deserves his place ahead of Can, no ifs or buts, the lad was committed to every tackle, never stopped running, read the game perfectly - if any one of the back 4 got caught out of position, or pressed forward in attack KS was there covering back, even in the endgame at 3-0 up he was getting about like a blue arsed fly.
So I think he has to get his chance!

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23 Jan 2017 16:14:12
Hey ed002,
I remember quite a while back back you said that 2017 would be the year that we could see a change of owners at the club. Is this still the case and is there much interest in the club?
Another question that I have is that you said a while back there might be some exciting news? I believe Ron asked about it around October/ November time.
Apologies if I'm digging up the past and if it's not relevant any longer

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{Ed002's Note - I don't recall the exciting news so I will say that it happened and sadly you missed it. It is not out of the question that the owners will take the opportunity to cut their losses and run but there is an issue. The value of the club in GBP is distorted due to the exchange rate at the moment and the owners may wait until it levels out and effectively increases the price to what will undoubtedly be a foreign buyer. So it remains a maybe DRM.}

23 Jan 2017 17:02:04
I think at the time you were referring to the YouTube thing shakropod or similar

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks - the Sharkopod it is then.}

23 Jan 2017 17:29:55
Thank you very much ed and thanks jezza for clearing that up

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23 Jan 2017 19:01:54
Just came back from Mexico, and 2 different local lads reckoned that a wealthy Mexican guy was enquiring about buying the club. No idea where it had come from, but they both think it has some legs.

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23 Jan 2017 19:55:59
Most likely a drug lord, hopefully we steer well clear of that;)

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23 Jan 2017 14:08:44
How about playing Can at CB Ed01? He has no place in midfield and we are terrible at back atm. I don't rate Lovren and Klavan is simply a back up. Can couldn't do any worse than both of them. If Klopp doesn't fancy Gomez in league games then Can is a decent short term fix.

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{Ed001's Note - Can was hopeless in defence. He has no positional sense back there, can't head the ball and is easily bullied, as well as lacking acceleration and having the turning circle of a bendy-bus.}

23 Jan 2017 14:31:36
Doesn't sound like the attributes of a midfielder either, where do you think he'll ultimately develop best in the side?

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23 Jan 2017 15:33:28
Would Can be a suitable temporary replacement for Mane on the wing? It would also allow Lalanna move back into centre where he has shown to be much more effective.

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23 Jan 2017 15:24:56
Given his form I'd guess he'll soon be developing at a different team Zimbo

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23 Jan 2017 16:37:16
By next season Can will be gone in my opinion and Grujic, Chirivella, Ejaria and Stewart can come further into the first team picture.

Can is not right for our style in my opinion. He isn't mobile enough.

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23 Jan 2017 16:38:04
Can? A winger?
There are few positions I would less like him to play in.

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23 Jan 2017 15:24:56
Given his form I'd guess he'll soon be developing at a different team Zimbo

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23 Jan 2017 16:26:07
He's not a winger. I'd put him at the base of a 4-2-3-1 myself alongside someone more mobile and defensively minded. Frees him up to surge forward if the space is there and defensive cover will ensure he's not too exposed.

Over the long term I'd hope he'll develop and become a Ballack style player but obviously a long long way to go there!

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23 Jan 2017 16:45:54
He's young Ron, give him a chance maybe? The problem is that It looks like he's undroppable. So could be better on the wing and at least it allows Lalanna back into midfield.
It's the fact that he looks undroppable to Klopp so must play somewhere.

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23 Jan 2017 17:02:25
I see the let's give the Young inexperienced player a starting position brigade are back

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23 Jan 2017 20:01:30
A quick fix to our defense is bringing sakho back in the first team, he was looking immense at the end of last season. Even if klopp wants him gone, playing in the first team will likely attract more interest and he can rid him in the summer

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23 Jan 2017 20:28:54
Bendy bus haha, that was classic, its not just the turn he seems to be doing it in slow motion sometimes, like there is a disconnect with his thought and muscle reaction. Still, he is a better footballer than me so who am i to criticise!

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23 Jan 2017 13:35:32
Dont worry guys the loss against Swansea may be a blessing in disguise. Sometimes you need a loss like that to focus again. Now is the time to go on a run of games. On the plus, Matip is fit, with him in the side we look much more solid, he brings a little calm to the side. If we had beaten Swansea there might have been an argument to keep the same side for Chelsea!

Apart from Mane everyone is fit and Coutinho has another game under his belt. Beat Chelsea and Arsenal and we move on.

Pissed off after the result Sat, but now its time to put it behind us and get on with supporting the team, there is going to be many games where the top 6 lose soft points, we just have to be there abouts at the end.

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23 Jan 2017 13:51:41
Have a thumbs up!

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23 Jan 2017 14:36:00
Agreed, boys but before Chelsea and Arsenal, we have a ticket for Wembley to punch vs Saints.

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23 Jan 2017 18:42:07
The loss is a wake up call! How many do we need before we wake up.

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23 Jan 2017 10:39:34
If Ed01 is around.
Do you think we overlooked Suso? I am no bitter but he has been very good for Milan.
He has a wonderful touch and brilliant left foot. He is very similar to Silva / Coutinho except he is bit slow ( Whih silva is also ) . He would have been handy in the absence of Coutinho.

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{Ed001's Note - I do think we gave up on him far too soon. It is a common problem in the UK, we give them an early couple of games then expect them to be world class by 23 or we get rid. In Italy they have an almost opposite problem as their youngsters struggle to even get a chance before they hit 23. It really needs to be looked at, we should show more patience. Suso is a very good example, as is Mark Albrighton, who Villa gave up on far too early.}

23 Jan 2017 11:22:06
Thanks mate 😊

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{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

23 Jan 2017 11:33:04
We didn't give up on him Rodgers did. When ever he played for the first team he never had a bad game, but Rodgers overlooked Suso in favour of Sterling's pace.

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23 Jan 2017 12:20:47
There's too much pressure in England on managers. They don't get the time to let players develop, plus we stockpile too many youngsters.

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23 Jan 2017 14:00:36
I always rated Suso more than sterling and Suso would fit into our team right now, kind of like a left footed Coutinho lite, sad, let's do a chelsea and buy back our own player

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23 Jan 2017 15:11:18
Did we give up on him? He was offered a contract but decided it wasn't enough so chose to move. Rodgers did rate Sterling over him but Sterling rewarded him with an excellent season in 13/ 14 so I don't think you can say Rodgers got that one wrong regardless of how their respective careers have progressed. Maybe in a different world Suso was preferred and would now be in our first team but that's wild speculation.

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23 Jan 2017 15:13:46
He was the perfect option to try that time Coutinho got injured for a few games, yet we went with safety first (Joe Allen) if I remember correctly and lost our creative spark. Such a shame as we could have used him now to cover for Coutinho, Llalana type role and we don't seem to have anyone obviously first team ready in that creative / wide midfielder space.

Interesting to see Woodburn play there in the u23s the other day. played well too and strikes me he might be a similar sort of player to Llalana, good energy, great passer of the ball, decent tackler and scores goals too?

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23 Jan 2017 15:28:17
I agree with Zimbo. He is a better player than Lallana and he is a natural replacement for Lallana.

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23 Jan 2017 09:33:59
Back in Spain now Ed1 mate? hope you enjoyed your time in the UK :)

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{Ed001's Note - not really, we didn't win a game while I was there! Thankfully off home this week.}

23 Jan 2017 10:32:45
I think you need to be back before the next game then mate and never return to the UK haha! Have a safe trip ed1.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, I am looking forward to being warm and not feeling ill all the time once more! Though me dad 'helped' with the flight, as he likes to do stuff like that, so I have a 16 hour flight via Stockholm to look forward to, as it was £3 cheaper than a direct 8 hour flight.}

23 Jan 2017 11:04:48
When are you returning to Dubai Ed01?

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{Ed001's Note - this week mate. Couple of days from now.}

23 Jan 2017 11:23:23
That is brilliant. It will probably cost you another £15 minimum for food and drink, While you wait for your connection, or is he going to send you off with a packed lunch too?

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{Ed001's Note - I did point that out to him, as well as the fact that, as the flight goes at 6:45am it will mean he will have to drive me to the airport in the early hours, when a daytime flight would have seen me hop on the train to Malaga. No point talking to him though, he just sees it is £3 cheaper and thinks it is a bargain!}

23 Jan 2017 11:40:08
You don't argue with your parents Ed01. You simply obey them😄. Ha ha

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{Ed001's Note - it's pointless anyway, as he never looked at any of that, he had already booked them after seeing they were cheaper! Old people should not be allowed technology, it just leads to problems.}

23 Jan 2017 12:01:56
Ha Ha ha. Poor old Ed025 😄

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{Ed001's Note - Ed025 is beyond old. Wayyyyyyyyy beyond old.}

23 Jan 2017 14:27:21
Ed was it your dad or Ian Ayre that booked the flight? 😏

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{Ed001's Note - me dad was Ian Ayre's travel advisor before he retired.....}

23 Jan 2017 15:18:14
No wonder Ayre reached a day after the deadline day in Ukraine for Konoplayanka. Ha ha

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23 Jan 2017 14:51:50
Lol ed1 i know the feeling mate. Enjoy won't you haha! always funny when it's not yourself but when it's somebody else I can't help it. Sorry ed1 lol I'm sure it'll be a delightful journey :)

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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate, I am sure it will be well worth it all to save £3!}

22 Jan 2017 21:37:16
My opinion here, but if klopp is going to play one way (high press with forwards that are more attacking mids) we need to sell Sturridge and origi. They are forwards that make the lateral runs to draw defenders out. Sturridges movement off the ball in particular is wonderful to watch. But if we're never to play to their strengths, we need to sell them for the sake of their careers and so we can find someone more suited.

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22 Jan 2017 22:29:55
When I first started to read this I almost stopped but your not wrong. I'm usually not really bothered about tactics as long as the results are good ones, recently that's not happening so tactics need to be fiddled with, let's have trust in Klopp, he'll make it right (I hope) - I for one was so frustrated yesterday but can't dwell on that, onwards and upwards :)

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23 Jan 2017 10:04:18
I expect Sturridge to go in the summer.

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23 Jan 2017 09:51:14
I agree we need high intensity players to make the team click. Origi is young but I think can play that way, Sturridge I fear may never adapt enough but I think we need to give him the chance. If not by the summer then a sale and bringing in another top striker would make sense.

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23 Jan 2017 11:34:10
If we are going to play that style we need proper dominant defenders.

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23 Jan 2017 14:13:18
Yeah to be honest what is the point in holding onto sturridge? Can someone please tell me? The guy does nothing, then has a flash for about 20 mins every other month. We are holding onto an asset that could help us spend abit of money on someone who can actually help us.

Not sure with sturridge whether it's klopp style or his application but either way klopps the boss so sturridge needs to go. He doesn't have any impact from bench so may aswell part ways.

Origi has shown more allthough is hit and miss but he's a kid still, it's easy to forget that origi is a boy so give him all the time he needs.

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22 Jan 2017 19:55:13
ED1 what is with the hate on Can? How has he turned from like our young German prodigy to a so called horse, has he really turned that bad?

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{Ed001's Note - he has not been playing well and fans have no patience.}

22 Jan 2017 21:17:58
Nobody should hate any Liverpool player. Can is a work in progress. I think he can play a big part in the future. Just isn't quite on his game atm

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22 Jan 2017 21:33:35
Around this age/ experience, people were saying similar about coutinho. With time, he developed the consistency to be one of the best. I hope the same for Can. Give him some time

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22 Jan 2017 21:35:16
This season he hasn't done as well as expected but he's still young, needs a bit more time, he can play a big part for us in the future imo, patience is key.

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22 Jan 2017 21:48:58
He needs to play further forward. I remember watching him drive at the back four of United the other week and he was going past their left back in particular like he wasn't there. He also put in a wicked cross to the back post which Wijnaldum headed over the bar. Then you have his goal earlier in the season where he made a late run into the box and headed in, or his stunner against Bournemouth from a pull back to the edge of the area.

Personally, if Klopp wants him in the side for Mane, I'd prefer him playing on the right of the front 3 so we can keep Lallana in midfield were his creativity is critical. Can seems to be better when he is in the final third and has no time to over think his pass. He clearly lacks discipline, but he does have good vision for a killer pass. Who could forget that chop inside and outside of the foot pass in behind to assist Sturridge last season! With his height and running power he is also a goal threat. Send him further up and see how he links with Coutinho and Firmino I say. Because in midfield he is a liability, but he clearly has quality.

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22 Jan 2017 22:24:53
I've always lauded Can but recently he's frustrated the hell out of me. He slows the game down and his passing has beeen either sideways, backwards or completely wayward. Plus him being there means Lallana is pushed further forward where he has no space to use his skill. He's a good player but at the moment should be used from the bench and hopefully one day he can improve enough to command a starting slot.

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22 Jan 2017 22:54:51
Spot on, guys! Moreover, you should pop over to the This Is Anfield site where there is a full article, which is a proper hit job and pathetic scapegoating of Can as the reason for all our issues including as if he`s the reason why we show no commitment, desire or fight in games vs lesser teams and why dropping or selling him would suddenly make Klavan and Lovren stop making silly mistakes. We are literally feeding on our own right now. Good grief!

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22 Jan 2017 22:25:25
I agree he has all the attributes to be a good player just not the consistency and awareness arm. Hope we stick with him in the long run as I think he'll turn good but he certainly needs dropping on current form.

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23 Jan 2017 00:47:59
I understand that you once said young players come with frustrations, but I have to admit, i'm getting a lot more frustrated these past few games. I still have high hopes on him though. Time will tell.

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23 Jan 2017 10:05:54
There is no hate on Can. He is a bang avergar plaher prople now accepting it. Except ". He is young. " He has had nothing to show lately and people are frustrated coz he has pushed Lallana out wide.

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23 Jan 2017 10:24:00
He has not pushed Lallana outwide the manger has . Maybe don't see no other options. He tryed Sturridge there he did not understand the role . He may not see Ojo being ready and he does not see Origi as a wide player

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23 Jan 2017 10:57:07
No one hates can, he's got a lot of criticism because he's avoided it for so long. He made the same mistakes and errors last season but got away with a lot of stick, the first thing Henderson does wrong and he is the worst player on the team apparently. People are delusional about cans ability, he is a decent player, has got good attributes but is missing the most important part of a central midfielder and that is a footballing brain. I don't think it has anything to do with patience either, we hold mignolet and Moreno etc responsible for their mistakes so why shouldn't we hold Can responsible for his who has been here just as long a moreno. He doesn't offer enough going forward and doesn't offer enough going back, and in my view he's a poorer version of Henderson without the reading of the game. If you want to wait to see IF Can will get it right and sacrifice the teams performances on occasions then so be it, we won't be winning much any time soon. We need a better first team midfielder than wijnaldum and can, this is reality. We can say, let's be patient and wait, then when we've finally realised, they are the weak links, and the rest of the squad has either aged or moved on, we will be kicking ourselves when we had the chance to achieve great things. I'm not saying get rid of wiji or can, wiji should be a rotation player, because hendo lallana and wiji has worked more often than not especially going forward, but can still has to learn his trade properly and should be doing that off the bench. We need a better midfielder for the long term, someone that will improve the first 11. If you disagree and think the likes of Stewart, grujic and Can will fix things, it's time to get the rose tinted glasses off.

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23 Jan 2017 12:16:41
I don't hate Can, he gives 100% every game, but he doesn't have the quality IMO. He's a tough physical specimen, but he hasn't got the ball control or the skill to take us to the next level. Consequently, when we're looking to open a team up through slick pass and move, Can slows the momentum.
It's no coincidence since he's come back in we have scored fewer and looked less threatening. I'm sorry if that perceived as making him a scapegoat, it's just the way I see it.

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{Ed001's Note - the problem is that he gets carried away when he does something right and tries to do too much. He simply is not good enough to do any of the things he tries to do, yet.}

23 Jan 2017 12:23:33
Can for me operates better in a 4 man midfield. I don't think he and Gigi link up well together, neither is a leader ad look indecisiveness to who should be going into the space or moving towards an opposition play with the ball. With a DM in there simply to break up opposition play and take the defensive pressure off, I think Can could flourish, when he gets time on the ball to run forward and pick a pass he looks very dangerous.
Henderson got a lot of the same sort of criticism when he first joined LFC and it's taken him 5 years to be held in decent regard and still not by all fans, add into that he's only played midfield really for LFC for about a year, as Bodgers played him centreback and right back, and Germany have been using him as a utility player. He needs a little more time in his role, and more help from the centremids. I really don't think it's helping that we have a young centremid who's playing with a centremid that's played a 10 most of his life in Gigi, who won't fully understand the role himself.

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23 Jan 2017 13:10:05
Milner needs to play there.

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23 Jan 2017 13:26:00
Can is a good player and has the potential to become a very good player. At the moment he is not distributing the ball quick enough. He has to learn to understand what's around him before he receives the ball. Top players see the picture of where the players are before they get the ball, therefore rarely think of where to pass once they get the ball, that decision has already been made. Can receives the ball controls and then looks around for someone to pass to, in that time he is closed down and then more often than not has to pass back or loses the ball.

Hopefully he can speed his game up to match our style of play

Evered

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23 Jan 2017 14:17:31
Weren't people on here accusing Lallana of slowing our movement down last season? Too many Cruyff turns etc. We'll look at him now! (Or at least look at his performances when used in midfield this season)
Let's all have a bit more faith in the manager. He has turned a few of our players careers round so let's see what he can do with Can. He is still young, has great physical attributes, so let's see what Klopp can do with him instead of jumpingvon his back for every misplaced pass. He is a Liverpool player and we should be 100% behind him.

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23 Jan 2017 14:55:14
Can is not a winger to play anywhere in front three. He is a luxury pkayer currently with no place in the starting eleven and Klopp is struggling hard to fit him somehow. Can is not the reason we lost to Swansea but certainly culprit of not showing enough going forward. He is a misfit.

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23 Jan 2017 15:00:06
People seem to forget that in the beginning of the season, Can never played with Wij or Hendo. It was always, Hendo with Can or Wij (never both) ahead of him and Lallana ahead of them and we were killing teams. Then, Lallana got injured, then did Wij, then Couts, then Mane left. Klopp tried to make things work with what he had. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. If Mane was here, Lallana would be in CM and no one would care.

Now Can has to play there with Lallana out wide cos Studge nor Firmino are effective there. Klopp is really trying and so is Can who I agree has not been good lately os he plays better alongside Hendo and Lallana but did have a good game vs Utd. Origi would be my choice outwide to Allow Lallana to be in CM where he creates havoc. But the Can slating needs to stop. After all, he doesn't pick himself and Klopp is trying to make do with a situation he has no control over, right now.

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23 Jan 2017 14:32:06
Maybe MK has a point, give him a run on the wing and see how he does. If Klopp doesn't fancy Ono yet then try Can. It would also allow Lallana back into the middle where he is way more effective.

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23 Jan 2017 15:27:32
You're right about Lallana last season GMac but everyone always knew Lallana had great technique and buckets of ability. He was just not making the right decisions.
I don't see the same technical ability in Can, it's not just his decision making, it's a lack of quality.

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23 Jan 2017 16:34:12
You guys tears are welling up in my eyes at this beautiful thread, can't they all be as constructive and reasonable as this?

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