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02 Sep 2015 17:49:20
Here's a more detailed loan update on those that have been with their teams since the start of the season, I will try to do this monthly.

Andre Wisdom - Norwich - currently 14th in the prem.
Norwich have played 5 competitive matches since the season start, 4 league and 1 cup.
Wisdom so far has played sub to the starting back 4, with 1 solitary start coming in the cup. He made his first prem appearance this weekend as a 30th minute sub after Norwich had Whittaker sent off.

Early signs are not great for Wisdom, another season on the bench is not what's needed after his failed loan to west brom. It looks like he will need to be patient and make sure he takes his chance when it comes.

Lloyd Jones - Blackpool - 24th in division 1.
Blackpool have played 6 competitive games so far, 5 league and 1 cup, Jones has started 3.
Jones started the season in Blackpools 11 but appears to of lost his place after 3 games being an unused sub since.
Blackpool have started terribly and are without a win in 6.
This loan alarmed me as soon as I saw it and think it is very much a case of getting him out the way with no real thought placed on his future! Blackpool are a mess with the fans turning on the owners and protests happening at the ground. This is not the environment for a kid to develop and I worry about his future.

Danny Ward - Aberdeen - currently 2nd in the spk.
Aberdeen have played 11 competitive games so far, 5 league and 6 cup, Ward has started all 11.
Ward has made a brilliant start to life at Aberdeen cementing his spot as number 1 GK.
Aberdeen narrowly missed out on qualifying for the Europa and currently sit 2nd in the SPL with 5 wins out of 5, they have a game in hand on Celtic.
In the 11 matches ward has kept 6 clean sheets.

Sheya Ojo - Wolves - currently 12 in the championship.
Wolves have played 6 competitive matches so far, 5 league and one cup.
Ojo has been a squad player so far starting 3 and 2 sub appearances. Early signs are he will get plenty of football this season. Ojo has one goal and 2 assists to his name.

Swindon - currently 8th in league one. Loanees are Vigouroux, Williams and Stewart.
Vigouroux has established himself as the clubs number one starting 6 of their 7 matches, he has kept 3 clean sheets do far.
Stewart has been a mainstay in Swindons midfield starting 5 of 7, he also has one assist.
Williams has played a squad role so far, starting 3 with 3 sub appearances.
Again it looks like these 3 will get plenty of football this season

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02 Sep 2015 18:02:31
Thx Carra

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02 Sep 2015 19:11:31
Solid update. Cheers lad.

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02 Sep 2015 19:25:44
Carra,you are doing a great job here,we have 18 players out on loan now that our new Brazilian, Allan Rodrigues, has been sent to Finland, so you are going to have your work cut out with your updates, much appreciated.

With 12 players permanently transferred out that's 30 departures in all which matches last summers' figure exactly.

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02 Sep 2015 17:27:40
Brace yourself eds sky are reporting our net spend this window was a little over £10m you've got to laugh I suppose

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02 Sep 2015 18:40:03
Absolute rubbish. The net spend imo is close to 50 million pounds. Just a guess though.

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02 Sep 2015 18:46:22
It means Klopp will have some cash to spend in january.

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02 Sep 2015 17:12:38
Gomez has performed much better I think than any one thought he would.True when he went forward against West ham he did not achieve anything really.Having said that he performed well as a cb for Charlton,why should we not think he could do it for us.Iam pretty sure he would be much better than Lovren,you don't have to be great to be better than him.

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02 Sep 2015 17:46:36
None are going to displace Sketel / Lovren except injuries.

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02 Sep 2015 16:22:59
So harry redknapp believes this is the worst liverpool team he's seen in years :) got to love harry - always speaks the truth.

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02 Sep 2015 16:52:38
Hopefully a few more speak up, then fsg might finally get the picture!

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02 Sep 2015 16:58:15
Love how he got at brendan for always talking out of his backside - hopefully more people start calling brendan out.

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02 Sep 2015 17:53:54
Depends on what he means by "team".

If he means the squad, he's wrong. The squad is fine.

If he means performance, he might have a point, depending on how many years he has in mind (I would argue we were worse in the first half of 2010-2011), but I'd attribute more of that to the manager than to the squad.

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02 Sep 2015 18:13:05
The truth is going to hurt

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02 Sep 2015 18:15:42
The thing is though it isn't one of the worst liverpool team in years.

Personally I think it's one of the best team in years with the players available. It's just the shit fecking manager that we've got.

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02 Sep 2015 18:41:22
Well said Lavers. Even the best players can be made to look c**p with an incompetent man in charge. Brendan has turned LFC into a joke.

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02 Sep 2015 19:22:56
He should of gone at the end of the season. The man's a baffoon. I'll hold my hands up and say I thought milner would be a decent player for us but I'm doubting that now. He's bought some players that should never wear the lfc shirt. Borini,balotelli,allen,lovren,markovic, and probably a few more.
So depressing watching us play now. Losing to west ham at home so badly is a disgrace. Sack him before it gets any worse in my opinion

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02 Sep 2015 15:17:24
Right so from what I gather (and some agree with) this is the general feeling about Liverpool right now.
1. Owners need to go - kinda agree their philosophies etc are baffling at time
2. We've just loaned out our best centre back - you know the guy who's never kicked a ball in the premier league
3. All remaining centre backs at the club are no good to put it politely - hard to argue with but surely some of the blame must go to the way we coach them
4. Lucas all of a sudden has been considered our best/ most vital player
5. We need to sell everyone
6. The start we've made has been a disaster- we lost one game
7. Rodgers must go and be replaced by klopp - definitely agree
To sum it up it's pretty great to be a Liverpool fan right now. Hundreds of millions for mediocrity, do we perhaps accept were just not actually that good or still believe it's 1989 because I'm somewhat confused. I'm thirty years old, can never really recall us being great in the transfer market nor have I looked at the squad and said, 'yes certainly best in this league'
I'd love to know how we can fix the club, does everyone go and start all over again spending another 500 million whilst Gary Monk takes charge. I'd love some sensible feedback

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02 Sep 2015 15:46:10
Get in a quality manager would appear to be a good start. At the moment we are punching way below our weight due to Ron Queeg's mate.

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02 Sep 2015 15:49:45
30 years old welshkop? then yes as an older man, i can in fact confirm you will never have seen liverpool fc have a shrewd, carefully considered transfer window.

manager after manager has completely squandered millions by and large. several huge exceptions of course- especially but not always by rafa in the day. with awful decisions and policies filtered down from the very top year after year after year.

your hunch and several of your points are correct old son.

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02 Sep 2015 15:58:51
Bin Sky, scrap the Premier League and any clubs that want to go off to play in a European League let them, football highlights on a Sat night or club streaming only, reduce ridiculous wages and admission prices, introduce safe standing and pay on the day for these areas.
If you think this sounds like a return to the 1970's, I'd say look at Germany and how it can be done.

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{Ed002's Note - It is a return to the 50s without television. When the clubs split I expect four German side to go. These sort of ideas would cripple a lot of clubs.}

02 Sep 2015 16:07:36
1. Disagree, the owners have brought stability, ground capacity increase, marketing improved, money provided for transfers, top fees recouped on S and S. Low nett spend, less debt.
2.Neutral, Rodgers said Ilori was the future, also promised him game time, sends him on loan with option given to villa to buy. Lose - lose situation for Rodgers here.
3.Disagree, Sakho is class, Ilori possibly, Gomez potential, Toure experienced. 3 years and no solid defence, says it all about the coaching.
4.Neutral, in some games Lucas should be the first name on teamsheet.
5.Neutral, some would say a bigger disaster would result in a blessing, Rodgers out, Klopp in asap. 3-0 loss to hammers at Anfield with tough away games and Europa to come, going to be a long season.

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{Ed002's Note - You are miles away on item 1. And this obsession with Klopp is beginning to get embarrassing.}

02 Sep 2015 16:36:56
As I said before our main transfer problem is not that we don't buy qualiy players but that we sell our best players. Suarez, Alonso, Macherano, Sterling. When we sold Torres he was our best player even though he then faded away. Hard to keep a good level when your best players leave every summer. Next year it will be Coutinho.

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02 Sep 2015 17:22:04
Great post Juicer. Couple that with Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour leader to win the next election and who knows we could end up with a happier society. Bring back the 70's.

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02 Sep 2015 17:45:11
dom - there was no "transfer window" 30 years ago so you must also have never seen LFC have a carefully considered transfer window.

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02 Sep 2015 12:53:30
Question for EDs and anyone really.

Thoughts on the future of contracts and transfers.

I can recall when a player had 12 months left they would be sold for a lower then, much lower then, expected fee. Now teams are paying £20-£30m.

Players with contracts seem to move if/when they fancy. Some have signed a new 5-6yr deal and go the following summer anyway. Are contracts just purely for the player protection for wages paid?

Could you see something more like self employed contracts, temp style contracts. You are agreeing to work for the club and adhere to their rules/regulation. Minimum 6 months or 12 months, rolling contracts. They'd have cover their own injury layoffs, but then that's possible at £50k p/w earning isn't it? It's similar in therory to what we have until a club wants to shift a player on.

I guess it's then the players union would have to earn their dollar in ensuring players stay and play during this period

Summer would see clubs retaining who they want/can and players free to discuss and move, no transfer fees involved unless someone has just resigned with X club but wants move to Y club.

Would clubs or players prefer this? Clubs would have to spend £200m on purchase price each year and players know they can move on each summer if not picked, better wages, ambition.
Have set agent fees and possibly a salary cap.

Just a question after seeing Berihino, Sterling, Suarez plus others over the years and clubs not able to shift players like Adebyor, Enrique, Balotelli etc

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{Ed002's Note - Para by para: (a) It is true in a few cases. (b) Some clubs will have a player sign a contract before they go on loan to preserve their value. (c) No, that will never happen. (d) It is nothing to do with the Players Union, PFA or whatever. (e) Never going to happen. (f) Not even the slightest chance.}

02 Sep 2015 14:23:02
It would put a lot of the "power" back in the hands of clubs and chairmen.
Now the players and their agents have the power, they're not going to hand it back.

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02 Sep 2015 12:51:45
Most complete .....

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{Ed002's Note - We are not going down that road because there is an error in there and people will become confused again.}

02 Sep 2015 12:43:11
I drafted a rant about Rodgers and Ilori but decided to tone it down a bit. The bottom line is did he have the talent to not only make it at Liverpool, but also jump from 5th choice to 1st or 2nd? None of us can know for sure, the evidence we have (loans and u21 games) is inconclusive but his performances certainly don't demand a run in the first team. Whether we trust their judgement or not Rodgers and his staff are far more informed about his ability than we or the Eds are, they see him in training every day and can directly compare him to the other CBs at the club.

Have the club treated him badly? What's clear is that Ilori wasn't going to be more than 5th choice this season, getting a few sub appearances and starts in the cups. That's not treating him badly, that's what happens if you're not first choice. If a move to villa was better for the player (more games) and the club (make some money back from him) then the right thing was to consider it.

This season I will watch Ilori with interest, I'll be fascinated to know with how he copes with the premiership and I'll retain a hope that he comes good and comes back to Liverpool. But yesterdays decision was a pragmatic one for both the player and the club and I much prefer that to the emotionally charged opinions on this site.

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02 Sep 2015 13:25:01
Ridiculous post mate. There's only one way to find out if they're good enough and that's to play them! How can he be 5th choice in your words, without having a game. I guess ed001 is 6th choice seeing as he's never played for Rodgers either

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02 Sep 2015 13:07:26
But he has been let down because he was promised games in the first team

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02 Sep 2015 13:07:31
I really don't understand what is the issue people here are having with players going on loan. As I mentined yesterday Chelsea has 28 players on loan. If you sell a player and he become a huge player elsewhere like Chelsea and De Broyne maybe you can complain. If Illouri will prove himself on loan he will come back and if not then he is not good enough. Only 11 players can be on the pitch on a given time. Would it be better if he stay with us and never play? All the big teams have big squads as you never now who will turn to a player who is good enough to start. The others go for a loan.

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02 Sep 2015 13:11:07
Lovren's performances have never warranted a run in the first team, but still we are subjected to the comedy act that is Skrtel and Lovren, proudly brought to us by Mr Rodgers.

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02 Sep 2015 13:32:15
''The bottom line is did he have the talent to not only make it at Liverpool, but also jump from 5th choice to 1st or 2nd? None of us can know for sure''

''the evidence we have (loans and u21 games) is inconclusive but his performances certainly don't demand a run in the first team''

Do you see the contradiction in those 2 lines one right after the other?

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02 Sep 2015 13:43:20
Benny, he's 5th choice because he goes to work day in and day out with 4 other CBs. Competitive games aren't some magical place where also-rans become world beaters.

You need to show you can do it in a game to become a great player but you can clearly show if you can't cut it in training.

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02 Sep 2015 13:45:46
The other point is, if he's not good enough why did Rodgers buy him in the first pkace.

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02 Sep 2015 13:49:03
Fano read ''Loan to buy'' If he performs well and Villa meet the required buying price,he goes as long as he agrees personal terms.

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02 Sep 2015 13:53:35
Bob, no, not at all. When the evidence is 'inconclusive' 'none of us can know for sure'. Stop trying to pick holes that aren't there.

Heisenberg, supposedly he's been promised games but he's certainly not been promised a first choice role. If Villa are offering him more games than Liverpool can then it's a good decision for him to make.

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02 Sep 2015 14:03:00
Liverpres, I'm with you on Lovren and Skrtel and I've repeatedly called to bring Sakho into the team. But doesn't it make you think that there must be something hugely wrong with Ilori if he can't even be considered in the same bracket as those clowns.

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02 Sep 2015 14:24:25
Muscat. as to your last reply. What makes you so sure there isn't something wrong with Rodgers then and that's why he couldn't make it anywhere near the first team? Why just blame the player of not performing in training when it is obvious our 2 first choice CBs don't suit our tactics? Unless our new tactic is to play a deep defensive line with 2 DMs and play on the counter with coutinhos and bentekes explosive pace? Or maybe we now just try to score from the half way line so we can keep all 11 players in our half of the pitch and minimise our chance of conceding.

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02 Sep 2015 14:53:48
I have no knowledge of whether Ilori is good enough to be given a starting spot or not, but if, as the Eds lead us to believe, he was promised playing time at Liverpool and then loaned out, that's very poor by the management. You either keep promises or don't make them in the first place.

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02 Sep 2015 14:55:07
The contradiction is you say we can't be sure he can jump from 5th to first,but then you can say we can make a judgement his performances don't demand a run in the first team. If you can't see your contradiction,there's no hope for you there pal.

How can 1 minute we not be able to judge his ability in Liverpool pecking order, then a second later have enough evidence to know he's not good enough?

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02 Sep 2015 14:56:53
muscatred: Your entire argument is based on the line that you trust Rodgers and his coaching staff over Ilori. Many pertinent examples over the past 3 years shows Rodgers has mismanaged players and haven't given some a fair go.

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02 Sep 2015 15:11:37
Cyprus, you could be right, but your answer is no more or less likely than mine, we simply don't know as we've never seen him play. Thankfully, his time at Villa should give us some evidence to actually back up our opinions. If he barely plays or bombs then Rodgers was right to let him go, if his reputation ends up as better than Lovren or Skrtel then the fans were right.

What bothers me about the last 24 hours is this has very little to do with Ilori himself and is far more about people's dissatisfaction with Rodgers, Lovren and and Skrtel. Two weeks ago we were having this same argument about Sakho when it seemed like he was leaving, the following week it was Lucas. Where are all the people celebrating keeping these guys? Nowhere and that's because people care far less about these players than they let on and care far more about attacking Rodgers.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but playing for a piss poor manager in Dimmy Sherwood is not going to show anything.}

02 Sep 2015 16:07:04
jeez Bob, you're clutching at straws there. No we can't know if he's good enough to go from 5th to 1st/2nd because he's done nothing on loan or with the u21s to demonstrate he has that ability. Those same performances also do nothing to back his claim to starting place now. Mate you've got me before but you've over thought this one.

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02 Sep 2015 16:44:50
Muscatred like Ron Kreague, is a BR acolyte who will rather trash the player and whoever else to protect his BFF from any liability. How do I know that? He posted the exact same rubbish regarding a subject of BR not giving youth a chance on this forum in a bid to absorb him of blame so not surprised he is trashing Ilori now. His acolytes would rather trash the players and other fans to protect him from blame than look at the facts objectively

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02 Sep 2015 17:24:03

So you're essentially saying we can judge a player because he hasn't played,but we can't judge how good he is,because he hasn't played.

Mate, you need to sit back and think through what you're writing

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02 Sep 2015 17:30:28
Redohio it's embarrassing how much they can't put together a single cohesive case without contradicting themselves or back pedaling.
I hope you noted Ron keagues big back pedal further down the page to me

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02 Sep 2015 17:36:57
Not even close Bob, i'm saying he can't be judged by us at all. The club staff can judge him though because they work with him every day.

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02 Sep 2015 17:45:15
And Redohio dives in with the BFF bomb! You simply don't get it do you ohio. I'm not trashing Ilori at all, I've never seen him play so I haven't a clue if he's good or not. I'm trashing the posters on this site who jump to conclusions that's he's the second coming on Hurst not because they have any clue how good he is but because it's a way of having a crack at Rodgers, it's immature, ignorant and embarrassing.

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02 Sep 2015 17:58:34
My issue with Ilori going to villa on loan is the "option to buy" part of the deal. This is the type of loan that should have taken place when Tiago first signed for us. Sending him to a PL team to gain experience of playing in the league and tracking his development is essential.

The simple fact is that he was never given a chance to prove whether he could be first choice or 10th choice. What did Gomez do to deserve to be our current 1st choice left back? Well he played really well when given the chance. Ilori has never got that chance at all. That's no disrespect to Gomez, he has just grabbed the opportunity!

I honestly believe that with his pace he is probably the only CB we have who could actually cope with playing next to skrtel as he would have the ability to get back into position when skrtel messes up the back line!

My biggest issue is that it exemplifies the apparent lack of structure and forward planning that we have for our young players. Yes we can't put them all in the first team and gamble on them but we can put a 2-3 year plan in place and track this to make sure that they are developing at the level we would expect.

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{Ed002's Note - You cannot simply "send" a player to an EPL side.}

02 Sep 2015 18:06:41
So you are saying the posters have no just cause to be disgruntled with brendan about anything. The decisions that are made are sanctioned by the fella muscat the two circumstances cannot be divorced from each other. Ilori was bought, farmed out year after year and the manager has never given the man a chance to prove his worth despite making promises to him of allowing him to do that.

Along with a few others he was one of the best players in the recent u21 tournament so we reward him with no playing time during preseason then shoved out the door. Who is the constant in all of these decisions muscat, yes brendan so why do y not expect him to be criticised. You befuddle me mate, at least ron tries to come up with half credible arguments although he fails mostly.

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02 Sep 2015 18:57:23
Muscat, then say what you mean and stop trashing other posters for disagreeing with you. Example, I never said Ilori was world class nor is anyone really saying that. All we are saying is that BR man up and keep his word and give the kid a chance. Skrtel and Lovren are getting worse by the game so it can`t be any worse playing Ilori or sahko or Toure to see if we can stop the bleeding. Also, you get slated for insinuating that Ilori must not be good enuff if BR isn`t playing him. That is just nonsense to already declare him a waste just because a manager who ironically, can`t recognize a good CB when he sees one, doesn`t pick him. I would understand if Mou did this because he knows a good CB when he sees one. BR lacks that credibility which in turn, makes your argument senseless. that is the issue we are debating. if you don`t like that BR doesn`t have a clue, go have a word with him to get one instead of slating the rest of us for voicing that out.

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02 Sep 2015 19:15:37
Right Boba! We have Lovren and Skrtel farting all over the field making mistakes but to them if BR picks them, then they are good enuff even tho our eyes tell us the contrary. But if BR doesn`t pick Ilori or Sahko, then they must not be good enuf whereas we have seen that Sahko is better and that Ilori based on his solid perf at the U21 touney, has shown he should be given a chance. Incohesiveness at its finest. The reason their stories are never straight is because they are contorting themselves so much trying to absorb BR of blame that they end up all tied up in knots. Pathetic!

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02 Sep 2015 12:40:04
Question for the Ed's - Reviewing the spend of some clubs in particular Man City who have recently been under review for FFP - how can they afford to spend so much in the transfer window?

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester City (a) have a larger income than the likes of Liverpool, and (b) whilst working within the rules are making use of some pretty extreme sponsorship that comes via their owner's business interests.

This is seen as an issue by UEFA and the reason there have been efforts over the past two years or so to agree a sponsorship cap. UEFA are happy for the clubs that meeting (now twice a year) to come up with a proposal, but so far - and as recently as the meeting last week, they have failed to agree a figure. UEFA are aware that taking the matter to the European Club Association will not help them. Eventually they will come up with a cap themselves and that will be it. A similar issue is being discussed about capping TV and media income for FFP.

So right now Manchester City may need to do something to addfress the money for this season (they have until June 30). Liverpool certainly need to do something.}

02 Sep 2015 13:04:27
Out of interest eds, when you say Man City have a larger income than the likes of Liverpool, is that separate to the owners wealth and the sponsorship you mention in your second point. Obviously their match day income is greater than ours with the bigger and more modern stadium. We keep hearing that our income revenues have increased significantly under fsg (and even H&G). Are they generating more shirt sales and sponsorship from out side of the Emirates than us? I do worry with our lack of success and star players we are going to struggle in this field. Only in Jamaica this year the locals knew of us due to sterling and sturridge (to a lesser extent)

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{Ed002's Note - Turnover. Nothing to do with wealth. Shirt sales are of no consequence at all.}

02 Sep 2015 13:46:17
Thanks for that. Typically what can the clubs do, especially Liverpool, between now and June 30 aside from use current revenue generating activities to fix the problem? Would it be things like re naming / sponsoring a Stand at Anfield etc. or are they just banking on the new TV deal to help balance things out?

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{Ed002's Note - No, they have to sell players in January or those on loan to buy deals and options before June 30. The new TV money is in 2017.}

02 Sep 2015 14:34:52
I always thought City would never over take us. Thanks Ed02 for clearing up this. That was the last hope.

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{Ed002's Note - They alreay have a higher turnover.}

02 Sep 2015 14:54:47
UEFA go by cash basis rather than accrual, right?

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{Ed002's Note - It is totally different - I have explained before - perhaps I should do a podcast for it?}

02 Sep 2015 18:50:52
If you could Ed002, then we could decipher once & for all your gender.

Thanking you in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - I doubt that will help you, I won't be doing it "tackle out" so to speak.}

02 Sep 2015 19:33:09
I am sure most here would greatly appreciate you doing a podcast on football finances and Liverpool's in particular Ed002. Your knowledge on these matters has already taught us a lot. Hope you would seriously consider it. Additionally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the information you provide us with and for putting up with our repetitive nuisances.

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{Ed002's Note - When time allows - I am on the road net week, but soon.}

02 Sep 2015 12:27:49
Best of luck to ilori would have liked to have seen him get a chance but isn't a goer.

Though genuinely interested to see how him and Richards pair this season (think lescott may be there as well?).

But are the only BPL club I can think off with two fast and athtletic CBs who are good with the ball at their feet, so very curious to see how it works out. Obvs positional play and reading the game come to mind but always found it odd no club has ever seemed to have two very athletic CBs with ability on the ball.

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02 Sep 2015 12:57:12
I predict Villa will not take up their option to buy

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02 Sep 2015 14:25:40
Expand that Ron, please.

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02 Sep 2015 14:58:45
You predicted Top 3 for us last season, and a 4-0 win against West Ham last weekend, Ron.

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02 Sep 2015 15:35:40
I don't think he will impress enough for Villa to pay the agreed fee. Could be for a host of reasons but firstly he has to remain injury free.

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02 Sep 2015 16:12:15
AG you're wrong about last season and I predicted a 2-1 win against West Ham

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02 Sep 2015 16:57:29
Nostradamus has struck again. Ron`s only saying that and wishing the kid fails so he can justify his BFF loaning him out. Pathetic!!

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02 Sep 2015 17:42:13
Whereas all summer you predicted Rodgers would not be our manager this season.

People in glasshouses Ohio

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02 Sep 2015 19:24:39
I was wrong and happy to admit it. You on the other hand?

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02 Sep 2015 19:25:27
And you were also wrong about the West Ham game so are you going to admit that or make excuses for that as well/

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02 Sep 2015 11:59:09
The latest piece of proof that FSG are wrong for this club -
they want the flag wavers on the Kop to sign i'd forms and be issued with badges.
Any unauthorised banners will not be allowed.
You just couldn't make it up.
Next stop, hot dog vendors walking between the aisles.

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02 Sep 2015 12:36:54
I used to have a Beano fan club badge, Gnasher and had rolling eyes and fur. Fingers crossed for similar

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02 Sep 2015 14:07:46
Sounds like you're still a paid up member MR. What was that supposed to mean ?

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02 Sep 2015 14:30:45
Hey tetchy. I'm sarcastically agreeing with you. I had badges when I was a kid, it's a stupid thing they're asking if true and as it's almost pathetic let it be some garish pathetic badge as well.

And yes I'm probably still a member of the Beano club, yes probably as I don't recall cancelling it and it was a one off fee no repeat subscription.

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02 Sep 2015 15:00:57
I think the club released a statement regarding that. They said that poles that are used to hold up the flag can be used as weapons and that is why they are banning it. badges are perhaps a way to keep track of people who bring potential weapons (I know, no one wants to sue it like a weapon, it's a pole!). It's a premier league rule I think, and the club has no choice but to enforce it I think?

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02 Sep 2015 16:01:16
Yeah because we all know there has been a horrendous problem at Liverpool with fellow home fans getting attacked by flag waving hooligans, AG right ?
Not having a go at you btw, but this is just ridiculous.

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02 Sep 2015 18:14:25
Im with max renn. I too had a gnasher badge and probably do somewere in the loft still. Haha

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02 Sep 2015 19:29:04
No problem man. I thought the PL was asking clubs to do these things.

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02 Sep 2015 11:25:36
As pointed out by Ed001, a few unecessary buys this summer when resources were tight. Great read previous reply by Ed001 to another post into Brendans mismanagement and promises that are broken. But how is getting away with this constantly? I honestly thought at that level you would think, if you purchase a player, he plays or there is a clear plan? I will support the team no matter what, but if we don't win something this year or at least come in the top 4 then i feel its game over for Brendan. Also absolutely gutted about Tiago Ilori going on loan to buy deal to Villa, this kid I thought was up there with Ronaldos pace with decent touch as centre half, must be madness by the club? Or is it his attitude, not a good trainer or something in the background that we don't know about? Would love to hear Ed001 thoughts on the Ilori matter? Hope he does well and if he is excellent and sold for a snippet, surely this will also warrant Brendans head? 2 ears and 1 mouth and hope he listens to people around him.

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{Ed001's Note - I have never heard anyone complain about Ilori's attitude or anything. Everyone I have spoken to raves about the lad. It is a strange one and can only be because of Brendan Rodgers decision to build around Martin Skrtel, as they play the same position. I also hope he does well, but for his own sake.

As for the lack of planning and forethought in transfers, I think he is getting away with it because FSG realise that the club should have these plans in place regardless of who is currently managing. These issues go beyond Rodgers.}

02 Sep 2015 11:54:43
Completely agree! I almost hope that Llori gets a chance at another club and it comes back to haunt BR! Build around Skrtel? He's hardly Maldini.

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02 Sep 2015 11:47:13
Nearly 5 years on and I often wonder if FSG could have seen back in 2010 how things would pan out, whether they would still have bought us or walked away.

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{Ed002's Note - The shock to them has been the year-on-year cost of running the club - hence the massive debts and losses.}

02 Sep 2015 12:00:10
But isn't it the managers' job to at least contribute to the recruitment plan/strategy and then carry it out? Wouldn't he be the first man to know which areas in the squad need improvement and which players he needs for the job? Can you please expand on that?


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{Ed001's Note - yes, but it should be as part of an overall strategy by the club. The club has no strategy in place, so they are working on setting up that strategy at the moment. Then the manager can be held accountable for mistakes he makes.}

02 Sep 2015 12:07:11
Quick question Ed. Is a transfer fee agreed upon before the "loan with option to buy" or negotiated at the end of the loan period? So for example if Llori has a great season on loan can a LFC ask for more or if he struggles & the team (AV)still wants to take him can the ask to pay less.

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{Ed002's Note - It is in the contract. Why would Aston Villa want him if he is struggling? They would just send him back.}

02 Sep 2015 12:27:03
I thought the club already had a strategy of buying young and promoting youth, which is something that Rodgers has deviated from, especially with the youth development.

So are you implying that, right now, Rodgers according to his superiors is not really accountable for anything so far because he didn't have a solid recruitment framework set in place by the club, hence why he still has a job? And yet he could be given another considerable frame of time to get it right?

Who's constructing the recruitment strategy and what is it? Apologies for all the questions but I can't resist the informed insights.


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{Ed002's Note - People have repeatedly been misled, probably by Twitter about nonsense regarding not buying players over 25 and not buying players who the club cannot profit from and a baseball strategy called Moneyball. It is all nonsense. Transfers are considered on a case-by-case basis.}

02 Sep 2015 12:38:35
Why can't people spell Ilori?

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02 Sep 2015 12:39:20
Vast majority are misled, because this is basically the only site that feeds you accurate information. Your next closest bet is LiverpoolEcho, but even then, half of what they say is sprinkled with fairy dust to make things seem rosier than they are.

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02 Sep 2015 16:58:13
Building a team around martin skrtel is the worst idea i have ever heard. Its like building a car around a massive engine that has a tendency to spontaneously combust and leave you stranded.

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02 Sep 2015 19:01:58
I don't want it to come back to haunt Rodgers because i don't foresee Rodgers to be here long enough for the lack of faith in Ilori to affect him.

I want ilori to have a cracking season at Villa and come back to play under a new manager, preferably someone who has any kind of pull.

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02 Sep 2015 19:29:45
I think Ed knew how funny that statement was which is why he mentione it, LOL.

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02 Sep 2015 10:06:14
Question re Ilori.

With the deal being loan with an option to sign, does this mean that if Villa want to sign at the end of the loan and meet the terms we are obligated to sell? Or can we still turn down the option?


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{Ed002's Note - If Aston Villa and the player want the move to become permanent then that is it.}

02 Sep 2015 11:39:27
Eds can I just ask in general why English clubs don't seem to favor the buy back clause like the Spanish clubs use.

Looking away from Liverpool. Arsenal sold afobe for what 2 mil in January and he seems to have developed quote nicely and is now receiving interest in the region of 10-12 million. Why wouldn't they put in a tidy little buy back clause of like 6 mil, incase they develop.

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{Ed002's Note - They are used occasionally by English sides - Chelsea has one for Thorgan Hazard for example. But it impacts the cost of a player, and would in many cases make clubs walk away. Hence, they are rare.}

02 Sep 2015 12:45:39
Ed, thanks for explaining the loan to buy. So is it then the case (hypothetically speaking) that if the player has a stunning season and we wanted him back and we were able to convince him that was the right thing (remember this is hypothetical) then the player could say "I'm off back to Anfield" and there is nothing the loaned-to club could do irrespective of the right to buy?

If so that's good for us. It does make the right to buy a bit meaningless though.

(Note for all those thinking of posting "that situation could never happen because [insert rant here] . RTFP! It's a hypothetical question about the nature of these agreements.)

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{Ed002's Note - You are confusing a "loan to buy" with a loan with an option to buy".}

02 Sep 2015 19:13:50
*Villa has no obligation to buy Ilori.
*LFC cannot block a permanent move, provided the fee is met and the player agrees to the move.

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02 Sep 2015 09:49:25
Unfortunately Ilori will not be coming back to play for liverpool. They do not see him as being ready or at the level. The loan is with a option to buy & it's down to Aston Villa they have the option. Liverpool were not going to play him. It was trying to be arranged for him to go to another prem club that play in yellow. Won't say the clubs name as it did not happen because villa came in. Good luck to him, hope he does well, but time to move on as he was not going to play this season at liverpool maybe the odd cup game & he knew this. If villa choose to sign him permanent then that is it. He has gone to villa to get some game game time. He won't be playing most of the time but he will get some game time and that's what he wanted. Good luck to him & hopefully the defenders we do have gain confidence and fix up.

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02 Sep 2015 10:50:34
It will be very interesting to see how he does at Villa. I expect him to be playing at the Euros for Portugal based on the assessment of our fans.

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02 Sep 2015 11:25:01
You still here Ron? Thought you would have left in disgrace.

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02 Sep 2015 11:54:45
I guess what they say about acting as your rolemodels is true then, hey Essexred884?

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02 Sep 2015 12:24:25
After that comment I'm convinced Ron is BR, because no one can be that deluded that they can't see the woods for tress.

It's not about whether or not llori will become a world class defender or not,it's about BR's disgraceful management of the youngsters that is the issue here.

To borrow a few words from JFK. An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.

And now FSG have made just that by keeping BR in a job when they had a chance to remove him during the summer.

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02 Sep 2015 12:30:54
Don't know what you're on about Essex, but that's nothing knew.

Maybe you go me mixed up with Waro?

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02 Sep 2015 17:07:30
Spot on, Danred! His errors have become dreadful mistakes not only does he fail to correct them, he continues to make them.

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02 Sep 2015 19:19:55
Ron he may well be in that squad never know Portugal aren't that bless with CB's.
AND Ilori was Portugal's star defender for the U21 Euro Championships.

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02 Sep 2015 09:37:27
When Suso was sold there was a lot of hue and cry but where is Suso now.I saw a lot of his loan performances for Almeria he was occasionally good but most of the time average and I never saw him putting a shift.
People are now talking in the same way about Ilori. I saw him in 2-3 games with Granada and then in 2 games with Bordeaux but he was always average.
Did not saw him in U21 tournment but then there is a lot of difference when a player comes to a senior team. I think Aston villa loan will do him a world of good. He is young and if he has the desire and quality and he proves himself he can still play with us. He is still our player and we have not sold him.
Ed's can you confirm whether Villa wanted to buy him or only loan him.

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02 Sep 2015 10:08:36
You make some very good points, but as ed2 pointed out its the promise of game time then being sold is like being kicked in the potatoes. But I also think its wrong people speaking about Ilori as a world class CB, but as never had a chance to prove himself.

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02 Sep 2015 10:16:44
This is a stupid excuse in my eyes. When Liverpool FC buy players from mid table club, We come up with the same excuse of player would double his performance alongside good players and excellent training facilities. We change our skin when we Loan players.

The point is not how good or poor Ilori is, The point is how he has been treated given we have been conceeding goals for fun with the CB's we have with us.

Ilori might/might not fail at Liverpool but then rest of other CB's has been equally poor in past 3 games.

I would have given him a run of games at the club and I believe any other manager would have done the same thing.

Coates got more opportunities than Ilori is a very sad stat mate.

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02 Sep 2015 10:32:05
Suso was actually good while playing for Almeria. He had a few off field problems while there, but generally performed to a good level on the field for a young player.

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02 Sep 2015 10:43:27
Kenny bought Coates though so to compare is wrong.

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02 Sep 2015 10:49:04
Never has Harry spoken more sense.

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02 Sep 2015 10:52:21
This treatment he's had must be terrible.

He must have had to pay his own medical bills or taken a wage cut. Poor lad, we should do a whip-round for him.

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02 Sep 2015 10:52:41
Coates was at least given chances.

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02 Sep 2015 11:52:46
Coates would have come good. he just needed a run of games in a stable defence in a regular pairing. Remember, Hansen was actually rejected initially by Liverpool and once accepted spent a while in the reserves because he wasn't good enough - and look how he turned out.

What we lack is transfer strategy, structuring and team planning. We shouldn't buy a player unless we know what we are going to do with him, what we want him for and why. All we're doing is buying anything that comes our way on the off chance it's what we need. It's a waste of time and money and not fair on the players themselves.

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02 Sep 2015 11:58:30
Ron Keague, have you ever had anyone dump on your dreams? It hurts no matter how much paper you get.

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02 Sep 2015 12:24:08
Not really EG he came in because we were so badly hampered with Injuries in 2011/12 which resulted in carragher playing rightback.(notice this was under kenny's management too)

in 2012/13skrtel in his own words '' one of the worst seasons in my career and certainly the worst during my time at Liverpool.'' even then he only got 5 appearances and it was due to Brendan trying to phase out Carragher and refusing point blank to play him till Januaryish time,and once again injuries to players like Agger and Johnson. He got mainly substitute cameos from 80 minuts onwards to simply see off games.

These are not opportunities in the slightest for me. They are stop start appearances that regardless of the form he showed and Skrtels piss poor effort,still didn't show him getting near the team. He'd have been better off learning his trade playing on loan.

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02 Sep 2015 12:53:48
Phoinix, I've had plenty of knocks on my life. I've never been in such a privileged position as professional footballers though.
They have a very easy life by comparison to the people who fund their lifestyle.

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02 Sep 2015 14:01:17
Ron and the school of hard knocks. haha

Not everything in this world is about money maybe earning so pitiful an amount compared to a footballer you should know this. Simply putting down a persons self actualisation and satisfaction to a simple monetary value is ridiculous.

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02 Sep 2015 14:27:35
Putting words into my mouth their bob.

You can do better than that can't you?

if you knew any footballers and spoke to them about adjusting from being a footballer to an ex-footballer ; you'd know what a privileged life they lead. I'm not just talking financially.

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02 Sep 2015 15:05:00
No ones putting words in any ones mouth,You judged a player as being privileged and having an easy life compared to the fan.

What makes them so priviliged? Do tell how you know exactly the difference from being a pro footballer to a guy ont he street is,if not just financially.

Tell me how that privilege worked for Rooney busting a nut in a granny,those leicester boys having their peckers posted on the internet,Sterling not being able to do something as trivial as enjoy some laughing gas,jack wilshere not being able to smokerooney getting that video posting of him being sparked,not being able to go to a casino and spend money because the papers will hound you as a gambling addict. etc etc.

There are advantages and disadvantages in work lives in any situation around the world. To say every footballer is priviliged is shocking. They work hard on the main to be where they are and posess abilities you certainly don't.

So tell me about these priviliges they have that means we can't feel bad for them oh and btw,one more thing go back and read your previous post in this thread that phoenix replied to,before saying you didn't mean financial priviliges

''He must have had to pay his own medical bills or taken a wage cut. Poor lad, we should do a whip-round for him.'' LOOKS a financially orientated privilige to me you're going on about.

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02 Sep 2015 16:18:17
Bob, you want an argument. That's fine, but this is a banter site and I'm here for banter not a pointless argument.
You want to know why footballers are privileged compared to the average fan? Go and ask one, I'm not interested in feeding your trolling.

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02 Sep 2015 17:28:17
Ron I'm here for a debate mate,you along with Muscat have both shown your true colours today haven't you. You've both been defending your little bff for an age. And today you both put together 2 incomprehensive posts where you clearly haven't sat and thought about what you are writing.
He contradicts his argument on player judgement and now you having said disparaging remarks about a players income related to circumstances,then deny ever writing those remarks and their inference, it's embarrassing that the 2 staunchest BR defenders can't put together a single cohesive debate on different subject matter.

There's no trolling in this

Simple question did you write this:
''He must have had to pay his own medical bills or taken a wage cut. Poor lad, we should do a whip-round for him.''

Then write
Putting words into my mouth their bob.

You can do better than that can't you?

''if you knew any footballers and spoke to them about adjusting from being a footballer to an ex-footballer ; you'd know what a privileged life they lead. I'm not just talking financially''.

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02 Sep 2015 17:53:25
Stay on topic, Ron. We are talking about a player your BFF bought for 7m and no one has seen him play for us in going three years. Trashing him and calling him every name in the book just to justify your BFF not playing or wanting him shipped out is nothing but a distraction to others here in your pathetic attempt to divert the debate from the fact that, you really have NO logical arguments to support the case you`re making. If he is indeed not good enuff, who bought him? Your BFF. So if your BFF bought a poor player, shouldn`t that make him a poor manager with an inability to spot a talent or will the rules change again when judging him? No one called Ilori world class. All we are saying is that he should be given a chance especially with dumb and dumber farting all over the place at CB. He can`t be any worse, can he? So stop your pointless ramblings and dare I say, lies about his attitude and your disgraceful character assassination of the lad because you don`t know the kid nor have any info to debunk Ed`s info that the boy is a good boy and is liked within the club. Lying about him and his character says very little about him but an aweful lot about you, LOSER!

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02 Sep 2015 19:40:06
Boba, they will end up entangling themselves like a pretzel with the way to continuously contort their rhetoric to defend their idol. It`s getting embarassing as to how low they will go. Trashing the boy`s character and attitude w/o ever meeting him nor reading about him is just disgraceful and shows you how desperate they are to make some sense and the more they try, the more they fail at it.

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02 Sep 2015 09:31:16
Hey lfc fans

I would just like to thank Harry redknapp for finally coming out and saying what needed to be said out there in the media

Average . Unbalanced . Worst side in years and will struggle

As much as I want success for Liverpool I think sometimes disaster is the only way to start fixing it
Other than that hope two forwards play in the next game . Duck it nothing else to lose

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02 Sep 2015 10:48:41
Lol @ Arry Redknapp. FSG should definitely listen to him.
What was it? 1 FA cup in 20 + years? West Ham - relegated, Southampton - relegated, QPR - relegated, Portsmouth overspent to the point of near extinction.

Who was it who beat him to the England job?

:Unbalanced? Maybe, left sided players are a premium and very few clubs have strength in depth on the left.
:Worst team in years? Depends on how many years. Definitely not worse than Hodgsons team.
:will struggle. Let's see. However, Arry ended his prediction with the comment "having said that they will probably win the league now".

He really should leave the punditry to his son.

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02 Sep 2015 11:43:37
Red lobster we had our distaster with the other Americans, this was meant to be our rebirth. We can't handle another one. I would question were the money is firstly.

This team os going to be forced to play one way for a while and then with any luck it will be played the correct way.

With or without Brendan.

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02 Sep 2015 12:13:03
Give it a rest Ron
How many top 4 teams has he managed Ron? He did ok with Tottenham and was unlucky to get the boot I think. Personally I think he would do a better job for England than Hodgson, he didn't get the job because of the tax evasion case.

How many trophies has your precious Brendan won?
Redknapp was clearly stating what most in the media won't admit due to this ridiculous media love in for Brendan. The squad might not be the worst in years, but the tactics and therefore the team on the pitch certainly are

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02 Sep 2015 12:24:36
Hodgson is bad but he didn't spend 300 million and have 3 years so Rodgers is even worse and has zero excuse. Watford and Reading saw through this guy without too much long lasting damage, not sure why one of the greatest clubs in the world is putting up with him and letting him drag us to mid table level

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02 Sep 2015 12:29:44
You think our tactics are worse than the ones Hodgson employed?
May I remind you - Poulsen and Konchesky?

Redknapp is a clown that's why he hasn't got a managers job but is openly criticising others who do.

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02 Sep 2015 12:38:26
Erm if you listened to the interview Ron,the imbalance he was talking of was the difference between the defense and the attack hence he was slamming the defense as a total talking about the 2 centrbacks and Gomez. He is correct too. He was talking about the miss use of gomez on the left,the centreback pairing being poor the loss of any leaders to drive the team forward.
Whether it's the worst team in years in terms of personel is debateable.For me whether it's the worst team in terms of cohesion,gameplan,talking,command,understanding isn't. but a lot of that is down to your bff.

Harry was having a joke with the people in the press conference the way he ended that sentence. What he's good at is being affable to the audiance,something BR could do with when he criticised BR for simply saying he never saw Bentekes goal instead of coming out and saying ''yeah we got 1 there,but they even themselves out.'' He's giving BR a lesson in PR it's why people love him and Big Sam regardless of their other parts to their personas.

I have no idea about the England stuff,there's not a doubt in my mind,Harry would have still been a better manager than Hodgeson,and I don't even rate Harry that highly. It's worth noting that your bff admitted Harry asked him to become a coach at England should he get offered the job and BR said he thought long and herd over it.

I have no qualms with what Harry said,the truth hurts,lick your wounds and get over it,he has said in this itnerview and multiple others,he'd have loved to manager Liverpool,and enjoys the fans and atmosphere and that he loves everything about the club. There is no malice in this interview just cold hard footballing truths

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02 Sep 2015 18:00:37
Ron is getting desperate in his attempts to defend his BFF to the point of either side stepping inconvenient truths or facts or making them up to suit his pathetic rhetoric. Give it up, Ron. You`re being found out and the facts against your op are stubborn and are not going anywhere regardless of your double speak. You sound just like BR. Talking crap and have no idea what you`re doing. Harry just told the truth that none in the media, his acolytes nor the paid trolls online would say. And you know why we know you can`t handle it? because you`re busy getting dizzy making stuff up and talking crap. Boba has set you straight and called out BR for the incompetent manager he has become. NOTHING you and you brigade on here say will change that. The facts aer stubborn, Deal with it!

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02 Sep 2015 09:16:26
I share the lack of optimism of many others given the state of our club.

I currently have two consolations.

1. I have another new guitar (I know that doesn't help anyone else)

2. There is still a chance that Lucas will be here longer than Rodgers.

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{Ed002's Note - I also bought a new guitar recently.}

02 Sep 2015 09:38:08
Me too. I got a Martin D15 Mahogany. It's so sweet.

Oh yeah and another consolation is Klopp still remains unemployed.

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{Ed002's Note - Way back in the day I had a 1958 D28 but we don't have an acoustic guitar in the house now.

Klopp is talking to a couple of clubs now.}

02 Sep 2015 10:30:15
Just bought a Gibson J185. Love it, helps me play away the disappointment each weekend!

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{Ed002's Note - The only Gibson I still own is a an ES335 that was restored by Rick Turner. Gibson build fantastic guitars. I have a modern Gretsch GT5422TDC which I have just recently picked up and that compliments my Rickenbacker 1993P.}

02 Sep 2015 10:50:31
That's a lot of guitars for a rodeo clown, Ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - Kicking around somewhere there is a banjo, mandolin and strumstick as well. And there is a music room with my wife's stage piano, saxophone and flute, various Fender Champs and cables, a PA etc..}

02 Sep 2015 11:47:11
Wife ? Very interesting!

One step closer

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{Ed002's Note - Being French, my other wives are not interested in music.}

02 Sep 2015 12:05:14
I know talking about Klopp is really tiring and annoying, but which clubs is he talking to? (I know it's not Liverpool :/ )

And if you're interested, I can swap my accoustic for one of your electrics :D

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Liverpool - move on.}

02 Sep 2015 13:41:18
I get Knight guitars to do all my setups Ed002. Or grumpy and sons as they're known. They do all Pete Townsend from The Who's guitars setups.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know them.}

02 Sep 2015 19:27:40
Erm try posting on the strummed instrument page.

oh wait.

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02 Sep 2015 08:53:30
Many thanks to all the EDs for their knowledge and sharing what was going on.
Going to throw my take on Brendan promising players one thing then doing another.
I have tried to back Brendan but now after telling Llori he will get game time then loaning him out is bad man management and he has previous on this as seen with some of the other young players.
Remember when we are Liverpool was on TV and Sterling had a spat with Brendan and Brendan said "you say that one more time you will be on the first plane home". He then went on to say "you should take a leaf out of his book (pointing at Adam Morgan), and work hard and you will get rewarded". What did Brendan do? got rid of Morgan and kept Sterling. So the signs were there early days as to how he works.
I don't think Brendan has the man management skills to deal with big players. Maybe Gary Mac could be better and deal with the problems.

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02 Sep 2015 08:31:57
My brother was chatting to a former Centre Half of Liverpool at a charity Golf day and he stated that it is a well known fact that if Brendan does not like you (Personally) then you don't play. That explains an awful lot to me about selections. We may not put our best 11 out but we have the ones who are prepared to stroke Brendas ego!

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02 Sep 2015 08:58:37
That makes total sense - if Skrtel and Lovren are our best centre halves at the club then we are in serious trouble, in fact I'm 63 and thinking of coming out of retirement - nah, the last thing I would do is stroke the ego of a man without a CV.

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02 Sep 2015 09:21:51
John B, I couldn't care less about his CV. Everyone has to start from nothing and work their way up. Managing a top 4 club isn't the place to get familiarised with managerial duties but he didn't appoint himself, did he? The fact he's got no honour (as proven by his actions), but was still appointed as manager of our great club, is what pisses me off.

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02 Sep 2015 18:04:35
A man with no honor cannot keep his word hence, cannot be trusted. Did not need to talk to an ex-player to know how he is. BR dislikes Sahko, Agger, lucas and the list goes on not because they are bad players and that is what is disgraceful. i played football at a very decent level and me and the coach never liked or disliked each other. We had mutual respect and that was it. but for BR, that is not the case.

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02 Sep 2015 08:26:53
With the transfer window now shut I thought I would give a quick update as to who has gone where on loan, please let me know I I miss anyone.

Ojo has gone to Wolves

Jones has gone to Blackpool

Vigouroux, Williams and Stewart have gone to Swindon

Wisdom has gone to Norwich

Danny Ward is at Aberdeen and has now been joined by McLaughlin.

Alberto is on loan at Deportivo. Eds, any reason why Alberto isn't named on any squads on the Liverpool website? All other loanees are?

Ballotelli has gone to AC Milan (that purchase worked out well!)

Markovic has gone to Fenerbache

Maguire is on loan at Leyton Orient for an initial 4 weeks.

Illori has gone Aston Villa (baffling!!)

Awoniyi was purchased yesterday and immediately loaned to FSV Frankfurt, he's a striker for those that don't know.

Yesil was loaned to Luzern

Canos was loaned to Brentford

Wilson is on loan at Crewe

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02 Sep 2015 18:29:54
Thanks for a really useful update.
I too have been wondering about the lack of Alberto from the team sheets.
No squad number - nothing. Yet still on the club's books.
Very strange.
If you get a response to your enquiry - do please share.
Thanks again.

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{Ed002's Note - Deportivo has played Alberto against Valencia at the weekend - number 21.}

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