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01 Oct 2014 01:00:21
With all the depth we were supposed to have this year, it seems to me that other than replacing between Coutinho and Markovich, BR cannot afford to let any of our other starting 11 to rest either tomorrow or over the weekend (assuming Sturridge will be on the bench at best on Saturday) unless he wants to play youngsters or players he doesn't rate very highly. It is partly a result of the many injuries we seem to suffer from (now Sakho as well). Not ideal when we have away game in the CL on a Wednesday and then a game on Saturday.And a lot of them played 120 minutes last week midweek. I thought this affected some of our players on Saturday especially Raheem, who' other than that great pass to Mario from the left didn't have a great game and wasn't very accurate.

fanobip

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01 Oct 2014 00:44:36
Hey ed can you clear something up for me.

Aron   Aron

Ed02{Ed002's Note - We have no interest in such discussion. Sorry.}

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30 Sep 2014 19:46:33
I might shoot myself in the foot if he has a stinker for Roma tonight but I always thought that the centre back we should have gone for is Manolas. Strong, fast and good in the air. But hey, what do we know, we're only fans. BR and the committee are the experts!

Heighway patrol

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30 Sep 2014 20:23:48
Milan Pjanic. What a player. Absolute Class. And We had all the money in the world for others.

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30 Sep 2014 20:26:33
He looks top class mate. There are quiet a few in that Roma team. They are bullying City.

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30 Sep 2014 21:12:36
You do realise we can't buy every single player in the world? They must want to come to lfc too, other than the money needed to get them. Give it a rest already

cyprusred91

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30 Sep 2014 21:23:05
Cyprus

25 mill would have been a good shout. But then you need to show interest.
Watch him play and you would love him at LFC more than any other midfielder.

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What other luxurious teams are there that are not in CL. Perhaps Qatar national side or Dubai first 11 or some other nonsense football team. I think it might have an adverse effect because ManU needs to sharpen up playing quality opposition which is not going to happen playing 'luxurious' friendly.

I just love this. lol

IranRed in London

Ed02{Ed002's Note - That is not what they are looking to do.}

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Cyprus i don't think any 1 suggested buying every play, the OP said he wanted himand we should have gone for him previously (instead of possibly sakho ilori or lovren i would guess) and boom just commented pjanic was a class player, which he is.

Put your tampon back in

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30 Sep 2014 19:01:24
Not necessarily Liverpool related, but Utd playing these global 'lucrative' games as compensation to not being in the Champions League, appears to be a good bit of business - if true.

As fans, It's all about the achievements to us, to some, it's about spending big money on big-time players, so do you think we could compete in a similar situation of lucrative games if (God forbid) we failed to meet the top four position in the league?

Would the fan-base and history of both Liverpool and Utd have more of a financial pull than your City's and Chelsea?

I hear about these lucrative cricket contracts to play in India, and on occasions the NFL franchise comes onto our shores, but surely this has legs.

It may not be true, but for many years the suggestion that a European super-league lingered in the background, with many 'top' clubs prepared to sacrifice the tradition of the European Cup and premier league for the lucrative contracts and lure of a big pay proves that we are all a little fickle.

You just never know.

DaveyBootle

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It would financially just scratch the surface of not being in the CL. Five minutes in the Liverpool fans would all be whining about it being a conspiracy that Liverpool has to travel to these games and using it as an excuse for the slightest hiccup in their EPL form.}

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We all know that teams suffer after European away days and after internationals, so why United would want to do this is beyond me.
United should be trying to give themselves the best possible chance of getting into the top 4 and traveling to do pointless friendlys is not going to help.
Reminds me of those past it rock stars who do greatest hits tours for a big pay day and for the fans when they haven't been relevant for years.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - They are seeing if something can be done with Chevrolet or AON but there are few if money spinners in the United States - and I am aware of discussions the saw a major midweek constraint. More likely a money spinner against a Far East, possibly Japanese or Chinese team - possibly hosted in Dubai, UAE or Qatar or somewhere similar. Kaizer Chiefs from South Africa Club America in Mexico meets the demographic. Santos, Corinthians and Boca might be other considerations - but practicalities outside of South America might be an issue. An absolute outside option that will likely not work will be a post Christmas EPL game moved from a weekend to midweek to accommodate a weekend trip. It was raised but is not seen as viable.}

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Utd are already complaining about injuries to first team etc, what if more occur here

is it worth the risk playing reserves and youth in these midweek games and the reserve leagues for very little financial gain? will the players picked be fresh for sautrday and sunday, many pundits said liverpools advantage was no midweek game last year, mu are throwing this advantage away.

I think the players and reserves would be better served in an extra training session personally

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30 Sep 2014 12:22:28
I have a question to Ed01, If you here.

This is regarding Suso.

The reason Suso was out of favour and rightly from the Managers plans last year was the system we played.
Suso is a more like a Pass and move player and is not very quick nor suited to direct counter attacking system.

But As you mentioned, BR would like us to play more of a controlled game, A system which would actually suit Suso more than Sterling IMO.

So what's the logic in Selling a player who would actually cement a very crucial place in the current set of play?

I am not a big Suso Lover, But this logic doesn't bite me. let's also forget the attitude and all other stuffs for a second.

Eds your thought on this.

Boom   Boom

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it is one I don't understand, I know the talk about his attitude not being right, but I have heard nothing suggesting such a thing from within the camp. This seems to be purely about a manager who doesn't rate him. He does lack a bit of pace, but so does Gerrard now and he gets picked every single game. I can't see the logic in not giving him a run of games to prove himself, especially early on while Lallana was out and Coutinho was having a stinker.}

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30 Sep 2014 13:52:09
Ed01, Absolutely with you on this.
We are actually digging our own grave yard here. Suso isn't a world beater but a very good player for the system.
If Pass and move is the agenda, what's Markovic bought then?. The lad's biggest strength is his pace.

Could you let us know more on the Suso situation If possible.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - if I find out any more I will, but it does just seem Brendan doesn't rate him.}

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30 Sep 2014 14:12:48
He does lack a bit of pace
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I think that's the main reason Suso is not picked . If you look at the recent purchases all are pacey players . It seems that's the profile BR wants . I guess we'll soon put an offer for Usian Bolt
I don't think we'll be selling him though, I think he'll walk out on the free

Roy

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I don't think pace is an issue at all. Lallana, Lambert, Coutinho, Gerrard are all not particularly pacey. Coutinho does have good acceleration to get away from players though, but Suso has excellent skill, vision and technique to get away from his man.

I just think it is about defensive work rate; maybe Suso doesn't do this the way BR wants. Whichever way it is, with Coutinho, Lallana, Markovic and Sterling in the side, I don't see Suso getting much game time and won't be surprised at all to see him move on next summer (if not this January).

The real AG

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Suso may be slow, but I think he is intelligent with and without the ball. I'm sure that if he was given the opportunity, he would suprise a lot of people including BR.

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My issue is this: everytime we bring Suso on, he plays well and has scored more than once in very few appearances. In fact, he's scored more than Fabio, Mario, Lambert, and everyone else with the exception of Gerrard, Sturridge and Sterling. Somehow he never gets on the pitch during BPL games.

I realize that its difficult to play everyone when there is such a big squad, but surely Suso has earned at least one BPL start?

I, for one, would love to see Suso given a chance against Basel. Rest Mario for the weekend and play Borini with Suso and Sterling in front of Lallana, Gerrard and Henderson.

Amerigo

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30 Sep 2014 16:20:43
AG

Fair point mate, But the past 6 games has shown us couple of important points.

1. Markovic would need time, We couldn't give time to Suso?

2. Countinho would have a lot of off days.

Suso's defensive work rate may be questioned, But If Migs could be given opportunity to improve himself, Y not Suso?

And the most important point, We would sell him for free and in 2 years, BR would want to bring in a similar player at 20 mill.

I could bet on that.

As both the Eds said, Its just that BR doesn't rate certain players and I am afraid Suso is one among in the list.

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BPL Amerigo?

Didn't realise the Scottish independence vote extended to football as well. they sneaked that one through!

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30 Sep 2014 13:02:18
Would anybody else start Rossiter tomorrow night, or is that just me? Thought he was excellent against Middlesborough. He did the exact job Allen does for us, but at 7 years his junior. Presses the opposition, gives us mobility in the centre of the park, is always available to receive the ball and rarely concedes possession. He is the type of player that always get's unappreciated and yet his talent excites me. Scouse Xavi? Put him back in Rodgers. We are seriously lacking some composure in midfield.

Allen, Can, Rossiter and Henderson seem to be the only central midfielders in our squad who don't panic on the ball. Lallana, Sterling and Suso are also composed but they're more attacking players. I think that is what we're lacking in midfield. Lucas, Gerrard, Markovic and Coutinho (currently, probably due to form) all look scared to receive the ball in tight areas. It's making us too easy to defend against. To be fair to Gerrard and Lucas, their lack of mobility kind of limits them to how much they can offer going forward and is probably the reason they don't want the ball when players are near them (it's hard to take a clever touch and step away from someone with a quick burst when your legs just aren't up to it). Opposition teams are just putting our midfield under a little bit of pressure and they're capitulating and going sideways or backwards (scared to lose possession, which perhaps stems from a lack of trust in the players behind them). With Allen and Can injured, Lallana just back from injury, Suso and Rossiter rarely playing and Coutinho's form being at it's worst since he signed our midfield is just predictable and scared stiff. That is why Sterling and Henderson are standing out like a sore thumb currently. They are the only midfielders in our team who are not hiding away and who are match fit. I say match fit because I think when Lallana is sharp, we'll see a massive difference in linking midfield to attack.

Gerrard quite simply cannot play well unless he has two very mobile (and confident) players ahead of him to protect him and give him an option to pass to. Whilst Allen and Can are injured, he is not going to find form. I'm just so dissapointed by Coutinho. Losing Suarez was his chance to step up and become a key player and yet he has completely crumbled under the added pressure and now looks a mere shadow of the player he was for the first 3 months of his career here and at the back end of last season. It really is a shame because I can't see him ever making it here to be honest. Lallana is on a different level right now (especially when he gets his match fitness back) and Teixeira looks to be the better prospect as things stand. He really needs to step his game up. If we had more than just Henderson/Sterling working in the midfield, I've no doubt Gerrard wouldn't be underperforming so badly. He needs time on the ball and options to pass to but with our team so dysfunctional and everyone hiding away rather than looking for the ball, Gerrard has been hung out to dry.

Rodgers has to address this ASAP or else I can see him losing his job before Christmas, because until the midfield starts showing some composure we won't improve.

Confidence, composure and bravery. Add that to our game and we'll kick on soon enough.

Whilst i don't think we miss Suarez the player, I think we're missing his attitude to the game. He tended to give people around him confidence. That is the biggest part of his game we're missing in my opinion; and sadly, things like that can't be seen until players leave.

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Although I usually agree with you on most matters EMS, I don't think coutinhos career at Liverpool is done. I think he is a fantastic little player who shines when he has strikers that are willing to make the runs in behind for him to pick his pass, and a hard working midfield creating some space for him to operate. So far this season, be it injuries or lack of form we haven't quite clicked, but give it time we will

cyprusred91

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30 Sep 2014 13:42:46
i don't think we miss Suarez the player,
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I think they call that living in denial , stats and facts show otherwise.


I think we're missing his attitude to the game
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100% agree .

Like I posted many times already, it was time for him to go, but we should've replaced him with a similar type player

Roy

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30 Sep 2014 13:57:34
EMS

Rossiter had a good game against Boro, But I won't start both Lucas and Rossiter in the same game. 2 DM is actually a very boring defensive set up for me.

Regarding Suarez. You got it bang on.

It was his Name which was a fear for defenders and distracted their attntion from Sterling and Countinho for a large extent.

When an opposition team look our teamcheet, They are quiet happy, aren't they?

Ballo. Bully him twice and He would himself get out.
Sterling the only own to mark
Gerrard is a DM
Hendo is a CM

You defo need a Fear factor, something which we are missing. Sturridge brings it quiet a lot.

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I thought we looked better when coutinho came on vs everton.

I've said before, coutinho need players making through runs to be utilised. Balotelli won't do this, he's a power forward who likes the ball to feet or in the air, and to drop off, or drop deep. Coutinho playing with him as a lone forward simply won't work.

In his first game vs southampton, he didn't do well, vs city, he had the champions of last year, and at time I thought he played very well vs yaya and zabaletta. Since then he's been in and out, and sturridge has been injured.

Throwing rossitter into an away champions league game at 17 would be a massive gamble

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I don't think you can separate Suarz the player and Suarez's attitude towards games: His attitude is there in him as a player.

I disagree completely when you say we don't miss Suarez; except for his antics, we do miss him.

The real AG

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Give rossiter a place on the bench and bring him on if things are liking rosy to give him a feel of the big European games. Starting him would be like throwing him to the lions, he may well hold his own but too much at risk in this game.

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30 Sep 2014 17:22:28
Roy, saying we should have replaced Suarez with a similar striker is just a stupid throwaway comment because the fact is there are very few players like him and certainly none were available to us this summer.

Puzzled Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Elizabeth Lambert would not get a work permit.}

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Coutinho is only as good as the runners in behind - if no one is making the runs then he can't pass to them! He's a super little player

Essexred84

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Essaxred,
I don't buy that comment about Coutinho at all, he is an attacking player who should be able to attack. He shouldn't need players to make runs, he should be able to make the runs and therefore create space or then pace when defenders close him down.
His shooting is appalling, it hasn't improved since he joined us and that to me is a huge concern.
Look at Sterling, his all round game have improved so much since he started playing with the first team.
Lallana has also improved as his fitness is kicking in and to me looks a great buy.

But Coutinho hasn't improved and to me the drop the shoulder trick is now recognised by all defenders and that's another reason he's out of the team.
This could be the best thing that has happened to Coutinho, hopefully he will try harder, practice harder and shoot straighter and then he will earn his way back into the first 11.

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I don't think it's a stupid comment at all, Puzzled Red. Balotelli is about as far from Suarez's style of play as you could get- he needs lots of service/support, he's not particularly creative on his own, he doesn't create for others, nor does he (at least historically) defend much from the front. All of these are things Suarez was good at and there are lots of players who are far more similar to that than Balotelli, albeit not at the same level as Suarez.

RDL

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My not-so-crystal ball says Lallana replaces Coutinho, Coutinho sits out a lot, Coutinho gets annoyed, and we sell Coutinho in the summer.

RDL

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Coutinho will be out of the contract in the summer. He can sign a pre-contract with a non EPL side in January.}

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Ha ha ha ha. Ohh! Ed. 😎

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30 Sep 2014 23:06:09
RDL your not-so-crystal ball may very well predict the future . that's 2 good players may walk out on the free come next summer

Roy

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30 Sep 2014 09:43:31
eds reds when i watched the re run of the derby i have to be honest and say i can't understand how we were refused a penalty when the ball clearly hit barrys arm above his head, it can't be protecting his face, its clearly making him a bigger obstacle, its in the penalty area, so why not a penalty? if it had been awarded, wouldn't it have been a yellow card? which wouldve been a red card, as barry had already been booked? so was it wilkinson bottling it alround?

steviep62

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It is part of an on going care in the community project for Liverpool. The FA, the referees association and the other clubs all get together to ensure that the Liverpool supporters have something to whine about after every game. I thought you knew that?}

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30 Sep 2014 10:29:52
Ed002 to be honest i think any fans of any club, would look at that and complain had their team been denied a pen and all that could or would've followed.

steviep62

Ed02{Ed002's Note - And then moved on without constant whining and grizzling. It is so tedious hearing constantly about how hard done by Liverpool are compared to every other club in the world.}

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I am seeing double Eds. There are 2 'agree' and 'disagree' buttons around. technical glitch or I am still hung over?

The real AG

Ed033{Ed033's Note - i started creating 'Agree with Ed', 'Disagree with Ed' buttons but moved on to do something else and forgot to remove the bit of code, i started

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30 Sep 2014 17:13:12
Time to move on, I think! They should have had a penalty before ours, so they cancelled each other out, but whether the ref was thinking that when ours came up, only he knows! I'd like to think they all do them on merit, but. . !

Keith

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30 Sep 2014 07:35:44
Ed002, if you are around: You mentioned that LFC have the 5th highest wage bill in the PL and that Chelsea have the 4th highest. I assume both Manchester clubs are in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd position. But, who is there to ahead of Chelsea and LFC in terms of wages?

The real AG

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Arsenal are third - MUFC, MCFC, AFC, CFC, LFC.}

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30 Sep 2014 08:31:26
I'd read something like this before, but it's interesting when you consider the amount of 'star' players Chelsea have when compared to Arsenal.

WelshBoyDave

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Arsenal's wage bill this year is significantly higher than before.}

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Woah, Arsenal have a higher wage bill than Chelsea and LFC? Never thought that was the case!

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 08:31:26
I'd read something like this before, but it's interesting when you consider the amount of 'star' players Chelsea have when compared to Arsenal.

WelshBoyDave

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Arsenal's wages for this season are through the roof.}

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Woah, Arsenal have a higher wage bill than Chelsea and LFC? Never thought that was the case!

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 09:40:37
Now that's a surprise. I would really like to see how much arsenal pay their players Individually. Astonished that we are so low

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I was so surprised, I asked the question twice!

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 11:46:51
It doesn't surprise me arsenal are in the cl every year we r only bk in after 5years and according to excited Everton fans we r facing sanctions for over spending.I also thought we got some big earners of the books but that was probably with a bit of a payoff Cole, reina, jovanovic et al.

Tommy Irish Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The wages and spending are considered year on year - not what the club has done over a number of years.}

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30 Sep 2014 11:58:07
R we in trouble ed ffpr r is it not as clear as everton fans think.

Tommy Irish Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine - I have explained the situation on a number of occasions.}

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30 Sep 2014 12:25:38
We are one among the club being investigated on the FFP system.
Now that istself indicate some kinda signal.

The Everton lad who got quiet a lot of abuse yesterday on his post got one point pretty much bang on.

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30 Sep 2014 07:35:19
Hi Ed002,
a few weeks have passed since the transfer window closure. Maybe it`s time to say a few words about the new players. I know it`ll probably take some time before all the players show their potential but I think Lovren and Lallana were great buys - maybe the fees were a bit too steep but both of them are pretty impressive, especially Adam. Happy to see him at Anfield. Both new fullbacks Moreno and Manquillo should be regular starters ahead of Johnson and Enrique. Moreno is superb. Most of the other new players have been dissapointing, especially Balotelli and Lambert. I don`t know if Rodgers will look to bring another offensive player/s in January but sure think a winger and another striker should be brought in in the next window.

Maybe Borini should get more playing time. I can`t say much about Can, Markovic has been really poor, hope to see much more of him before the end of the season. And the last position I`d like to discuss is the goalkeeper.

Simon is simply not good enough. Liverpool need to buy a goalie as soon as possible and maybe give Jones a chance or two before someone new is between the posts. All the best to all Eds and all Liverpool fans across the world.

Tom

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Thanks Tom. Adding a winger and a striker will make Liverpool even more overloaded. Origi will be arriving next summer - maybe that isn't what is needed now.}

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30 Sep 2014 08:01:16
Tom

Mate, I don't see us buying anyone in Jan without a Sale.

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Are all attacking players "offensive"?

mongrel red

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Think that is a fair assessment of things as they stand. i do think we need to lighten the wage bill a bit first before we can consider any additions. maybe need three higher earners to leave in january if we can get the right money. glen would be top of my list

evolution

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I think there could be a fire sale in January. Borini, Lucas and Johnson along with fringe players like Suso (shedding a tear here) and Enrique could be up for grabs. If we can get rid oh these players, it would free up considerable wages for a CDM and GK to arrive and maybe a pacy striker or just pay a couple of million extra to Lille and bring Origi back from loan.

Indian Buzzer

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Origi will not arriving in January. If Liverpool want to sign a "pacy striker" to fill in until he arrives in the summer they are stupid. Suso can sign a pre-contract with another club in January - he won't be sold easily.}

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30 Sep 2014 10:49:52
Indian

What makes you think that Owners would open up their cheaque?
Owners would want the new players to prove thier worth befire signinng another one. And rightly so IMO.

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Borini (if Inter decide to put down their "interested" hat and put on their "going to spend some money" hat) and maybe Lucas are the only players I see leaving.

Why do you want all of them to leave, Buzzer? So we can buy another bunch of players?

Johnson and Enrique both have contracts coming up in the summer, and so, I don't expect them to leave in January. Suso may well sign a pre-contract with Milan and leave in the summer.

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 12:27:42
Suso sale would be a dig at BR. Selling a player who actually is pretty good in a system which BR wants us to play.
I hope I am wrong in my assumptions, If Not I don't get this logic.

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Real AG, with regards to Suso i don not want him to leave. I want the club to give him a new contract but it looks like that will not happen, so hope we move him on in Jan and hope to get some fee for him. Johnson is a liability, everyone knows that and again we could get something for him than let him run down his contract. Smith i think will return from loan in a couple of months, so moving Enrique on makes sense. Lucas and Borini will push themselves out of the club due to lack of opportunities. These are players who are either simply not contributing to the club's cause or are not wanted by BR, so better to reduce the wage bill and sign a decent GK and CDM

Indian Buzzer

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Who is is going to buy Johnson with his gigantic wages? Nobody will be buying him in January and I don't think we will move him on just yet, being in CL and all, it is not the worst to have some experience.

Regardless of whether LFC want to offer Suso a new deal or not (i think they have already tried offering him a new deal), I expect Suso to move. We cannot force to sell a player who doesn't want to go at a particular time (remember what happened to Borini) and if Suso signs a pre-contract with Milan, it might well be the better deal for Suso and Milan and they may well try to do that.

If Smith returns from loan, I think it best to send him back on loan again. I don't think Enrique is the worst player having around for another 6 months or so.

While what you say makes sense in the best interest of the club, it doesn't work out that way as we do not live in a utopia.

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 16:24:22
Apart from Lucas and Borini, We don't have anyone to sell in January.
80% of the players are pretty new and untested. How could we sell a player bought last year?

Don't shoot me, But I wouldn't be shocked to see Sakho leave in Summer.

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29 Sep 2014 23:27:00
I have just had a small run in with an Everton supporter who denied that after some darts were thrown at players two barriers (half circle) were erected at each end of the ground behind the goal, does anyone remember this? it was in the early sixties?

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29 Sep 2014 19:14:06
So gentlemen your thoughts? Humbled by a 'small club' from across the park after Jag's wonder strike at the end? Balotelli's theatrics were an embarrassment to be honest, diving at any opportunity to gain free kicks/penalties. Where did he learn that from? Something clearly being prepared for at Melwood? You thought you'd got rid of one cheat only to buy another.
Now you've the added investigation of FFP breathing down your necks. You're not allowed to spend and pay more than you're capable of financing!

So enjoy the blue half of Merseyside celebrating this week after that finish. Big Brenda has much to ponder on. Unless you finish in top four the Yanks will get rid and Sterling will be off to Real Madrid. Enjoy!

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Celebrating a draw! your right small club from across the park

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29 Sep 2014 19:33:23
Yes, I will enjoy the blue half celebrating a draw.

Should we expect a DVD release?

- Something Red -

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Says more about you guys celebrating a draw than us! I suppose it is an improvement on the battering you got last game we played!

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Come back at the end of the season and we will talk again now get your homework done and get to bed.

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Typical bluenose wheres your trophies lad? shhhhhhhhh.

steviep62

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I wish I was as happy with a draw as this guy.

RobInRed

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Hard to blame him celebrating a draw, he probably wasn't even born last time they won a derby at Enfield (this still didn't happen this century). The real sad thing for the Toffees is that we had such a horrible start to the league, really one of the worst I can remember, and we are still above them in the league table.

fanobip

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29 Sep 2014 20:34:55
Yeah we were really humbled by you .you played us off the park and financially I don't think Everton fans can really shout their mouths of 28m for that big lump up front he will be your Andy Carroll 1 goal in 5 if your lucky.

Tommy Irish Red

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29 Sep 2014 20:55:43
Can you remind us who ye are playing on Wed night ? Oh wait . . .

Johnaldinioh

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So that's why they say;
"If you want to know something about liverpool, ask an evertonian, they're more obsessed with liverpool than they're own team! ! : )

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29 Sep 2014 21:21:33
Eds. Thanks a ton for putting up the OP. Look at the unity around here.
Seems its a wicked idea by Ed01 to get the people together. lols

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Can't say I saw any 'theatrics', just Everton players trying to kick lumps out of Liverpool players. Oh and Barry should have been off inside 12 minutes

Essexred84

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30 Sep 2014 00:34:40
Amazing that a guy would come to gloat about scraping a draw and not being the champions league. I agree about pathetic diving from Mario but if you had watched Everton at all you would see that Mirallas and Naismith are just as much a pansy.

lfcfan_03beef

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Small club mentality at it`s best. As they say, if you want to know how Lfc is doing, ask an Everton fan. There`s a reason we call your pathetic club NEVERTON. No trophy in TWENTY yrs and NO WINS in Anfield for FIFTEEN yrs. Nuff said!

redohio

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Pretty poor banter, really. Was expecting something a bit more witty.

RDL

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Reading through all the replies you got, I hope you understand the stupidity of your post, Davey?

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 12:05:17
Humbled? We were clearly the better team. Also, I hope you guys have fun celebrating a draw, most small and mediocre clubs do.

AnfieldUSA

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29 Sep 2014 16:51:48
Has Ilori done something bad? like stand up to being kept in the youth set up? has he upset Brendan in training? i can't figure it out, he has the potential to be world class in my opinion, does he think he deserves more than the under 21's ? i don't know, i do know we will waste another young future star if we don't give him a chance.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He is on loan.}

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When he comes back obviously!

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Would like to see him given a chance at right back when he comes back, him and Manquillo fighting it out wouldn't be a bad thing.

Logical Red

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Logical Red

Illori never has been and never will be a RB

JLPred

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30 Sep 2014 12:26:07
Ilori at right back? Why do people always advocate for weird positional changes?

Ilori at right back, Gerrard at centre back, Agger in centre midfield etc.

Why not just give me a chance at centre back, you know the position Rodgers and the club spent millions of pounds on him for?

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29 Sep 2014 15:42:42
So we are only 3 points behind 4th but we have played some difficult games. We have played 2nd/3rd/6th/8th/12th and an everton team which were incredibly lucky and will get better. If you look at man utd who I believe is our biggest challenge for 4th and only 1 point above us they have played 5th (Swansea!), 11th, 12th, 16th, 18th and 20th. Sturridge will be back to give us the firepower we have been missing. Looks like arsenal are racking up the injuries as well. We will get better and let's enjoy being back in the Champions League. enjoy the moment!

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Good man

Marioantle

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29 Sep 2014 18:30:33
Thank you, Red Vinny, for putting it into context.

The time to start panicking (a la Corporal Jones) would be if we come a cropper to the 3rd team who play in claret and blue on boxing day.

Zeddicus

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Not sure these standings mean much at this stage - AV and WHU would have been 3 or 5 places lower if they haven't beaten us and these were both games we were favourite to win. I will be amazed if ManU lose to AV at home and I am not sure at all if WHU will beat them at home. And if Everton play as bad defensively as they play in the last month MANU will beat them at home. I don't think we had a terribly hard draw to start with. In any case it is not only the results but the performances and for me especially the lack of threat on goal. let's see first if that improves massively with Sturridge coming back (as I hope it would) and then give predictions. By the way I saw some of the WBA's match yesterday and if anyone think they are there for the taking he is wrong. They are very quick and can score goals. They scored two goals from corners which we weren't able at all so far even though I think we had maybe 25 corner kicks maybe more (more generally I don't think we scored even one header this season and accurate crosses from the wings were almost non existant). WBA scored 7 goals in their last two games and have beaten Spurs In White Heart Lane. They are beatable of course but we have to be much more clinical in our finish, score first and probably score more than once. And they will come fresh while most of our guys will play tomorrow as well.

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29 Sep 2014 13:44:47
Eds, I replied to Walton Red earlier on "constructive criticism". but that thread has now been deleted; abuse?

Walton Red, if you didn't see the reply, I just replied earlier that I thought your reply to mine was very good and something I understand.

The real AG

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Sadly we have a couple of complete vegetables trolling the site today.}

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AG, no worries mate, I never thought it personal. I agree, there are areas where Brendan can improve, no manager's perfect. But I really think that the positives of this guy far outway the negative, what he has done over the last 18 months has been nothing short of miraculous.

I fear that some of that is being forgotten and people are quick to forget how bad things were not so long ago.

I also think that the decent constructive criticism sometimes gets caught up in all the reactionary nonsense, then it all becomes a bit silly and counter productive.

Personally, I think we well over-achieved last season, due to various factors, and I think this year, when we find our feet, we'll hopefully get top four. I don't think the league is realistic this year (Cue Harry's balanced response). ;)

Walton Red

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29 Sep 2014 14:04:23
No comments mate.

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I think you will start to see the very best of this Liverpool team next season.
A year further down the line and new players and expectations will have settled and something very sustainable will start to emerge that isn't so heavily one or two player dependant.
I hope you don't mind me having a view, although I'm very much an Arsenal fan I'm also a football fan who grew up watching the Liverpool machine built and maintained by Shankly Paisley and Fagan that just kept reinventing its self as star plyers came and went, unbelievable both then and now how they did it so simply without buying all the top players but by transforming decent players into top players

gunner62

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Cheers gunner, good balanced thoughts, nice to have you back on the page.

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Gunner, you've probably got a better view than half the warped bias minds on here

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Very good post my friend.

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29 Sep 2014 12:57:26
thanks for your time and efforts
regards

Boston-ads

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29 Sep 2014 12:31:32
Just a quickie, If LFC are on the verge of failing FFP as rumoured, surely this will have a huge effect on any future transfer deals? I Also fail to understand the logic in the huge fines, the FFP rules are supposedly to stop clubs from over spending yet the punishment is to add more financial woe onto the clubs, surely that's counter productive and putting the clubs at further risk of financial ruin, yes i know the obvious answer is don't fail, but the FFP rules are so confusing its inevitable clubs will fail, I think a ban from Competitions in Europe would be a better way, with the threat of longer term bans if they fail again. yes clubs will miss out financially but I think its better for the long term health of clubs to do it this way. I think these huge fines are more of a risk to clubs going under, Can you shed a light on where the fines go? is it used for charitable work or development elsewhere in the game fair enough, I do recall clubs can claim back some if not all the cash if they comply? am i right in thinking that ? if so what's the circumstances to do so?

dazmund

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Some fines, like CL money being taken away gets distributed evenly between all teams in the competition that aren't breaking rules

which ends up as a tiny sum each as there are so many teams

JLPred

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The FFP rules are far from confusing as the original poster notes. The fines are split in part to those not breaching the rules and in part are providing a fund for UEFA and the work that they do. There appear to be three clubs in breach of the wages ruling for the EPL this year that will attract further attention. Past records will also be taken in to account and mitigation may be submitted. Right now it looks like one of those clubs will have their group stage prize money withheld, one will not have any immediate sanction and the third is not in the competition. I think we have already gone far enough with FFP that we can drop the entire finance subject for a while more.}

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29 Sep 2014 16:30:10
That is Liverpool and the two Manchester clubs in trouble then.

Celestyn

Ed02{Ed002's Note - No. We need to move on from all of this.}

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29 Sep 2014 11:04:26
I am really hoping that when Ilori comes back, Rodgers plans on playing him. He, from what I have seen of him at Bordeaux, Sporting and Granada, looks like a very composed young player, not Sterling composed, but good enough. He has a lot of pace, quicker than Ronaldo was when he was at the Sporting academy, and his passing is exceptionally good for someone so young and in his position, he looks like he is being developed into a ball playing centre back which is something that Sakho and Skrtel do not provide us with. He, after this season, will have been at the club for two years without playing a full 90 minutes so Rodgers needs to decide whether he is the top youngster he was touted to be when he was brought in. Even if he isn't good enough initially he looks to have the ability to get a place on the bench ahead of Toure, which obviosly isn't hard but he will fight to get into the team unlike Toure who won't mind siting there and soaking up the wages. If and hopefully when he comes back I want Rodgers to play him in the cups and maybe start to play him when he has proved himself in training, which by my reckoning wouldn't take long.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - why are you having a go at Toure? He wants to stay and play, not sit on the bench, but doesn't want to just slip down the levels while he still feels he is good enough to play at the top. What is your problem with that?}

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I am not so sure Ilori will be playing for LFC again.

The real AG

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29 Sep 2014 15:01:34
I don't think Tore is the type of chap to happilt sit on his arse collecting a wage packet. Seems to have a genuine love of playing.
However, I think he proved in the game against 'Boro that he is just not good enough anymore. I lost count of the amount of times he lost possession. Particularly when hoofing the ball forward.
I like the chap but would be sweating if he lined up for a BPL game!

Macko

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I didn't mean for my opinion of Toure to come across so badly, I read over it and realised I was being rather harsh (I am sorry Kolo). I think it just annoys me that someone who has made some quite bad mistakes when he has been picked, doesn't get dropped and gets given the chance over some of the younger guys i.e Jones, Ilori and Coates. I know that he gives us well needed experience in that area but it seems that it is being a little wasted with there not being any youngsters for him to pass it onto.

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29 Sep 2014 10:53:52
Its always been said it harder to retain the premier league title than win it the first time, in that vein getting going after such a good season last season was always going to be tough for you this time round.
Add to that losing Saurez something any team in the world would suffer from as he as totally unplayable last season plus juggling CL football and premier league campaign is something many teams have struggled to come to terms with over the years.
On top of all that the fans expectations were always going to be higher than for years because of doing so well and looking so good last season.
Imo this season was always going to be a very difficult one for you and it's how you handle it that will determine your long term future, its tricky because to panic would be silly but at the same time to ignore the obvious isn't a clever either.
Give it till Christmas and then reassess things I think would be the sensible thing to do but that's just my opinion as an outsider looking in

gunner62

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29 Sep 2014 11:07:46
Respect g62, very good post
Some much needed perspective

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The PL is incredibly competitive now and waiting till X;Mas might be a little too late. Some of the problems (the defending and the money being wasted) have been inherent and needs to be addressed now.

I think we have some very talented players but there is every chance that a good amount of them will be "Brendaned", to use a neologism. I think BR and his coaching buddies need to get back to the basics and fix the "broken" defending and take it from there. I would say based on our last performance, we are on the way, but it is just 1 match and I rather wait before commenting on that.

The real AG

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29 Sep 2014 11:26:56
Gunner 62

Always loved your post and the humble man you are.
IMO we lost the plot in 1992. and then we just fell far and far away from the reality.

I had a talk with an old supporter who said this.

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Hind sight is a wonderful thing useless but wonderful none the less.
Reading you pages this time last year almost all were happy and very realistic in fact I admired how much the vast majority on this page accepted Rome shouldn't be built in a day and you were undertaking a long term plan for the reemergence of Liverpool football club as a major force once more.
Looking back now if you'd have finished 4th last season it might well have been better in the long term as understandably expectations have gone from 1st to 6th gear in a season.
A few years back West Ham finished 3rd behind yourself and Everton if I remember right ? Their chairman and fans all were agreed their principals of playing good football matted more than their best ever top flight finish that season.
The next season they didn't match those dizzy heights and sacked manager John Lyall, the football hadn't changed but the expectations and aspirations had, .
Slow but sure is usually longer lasting than a quick fix solution that peppers other the cracks for now

gunner62

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I can only speak fro myself, but for me, I never was expecting us to challenge for the title this season. But, after spending a huge amount of money, Top 4 is a must, whichever way you look at it. Right now, LFC are way of the mark for that particular target.

The real AG

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29 Sep 2014 12:15:12
Agree with AG on this.
Football has evolved and CL revneue is a must for a club like Liverpool
We have 5th highest wage bills and it would only increase with new contract extension for existing players.
Sponsors and commercial incomes would only come If you are the best in the league.

Title should have been the first real Agenda after all the hard works done last summer.

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Very reasonable post, gunner62. I think what bothers me most isn't results or our position in the table, but simply that I hugely enjoyed the way we played last year and so far this year (Spurs aside) we've regressed a bit to a more possession oriented/sit deeper/press less sort of play style. It would be a bit like watching Arsenal change from the free flowing style that is sort of your trademark to a complete park the bus strategy or something along those lines.

RDL

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AG may I remind you how many dropped points city had at the beginning of last season, and yet managed to win the league? Not saying were going to win the league but there are another 32 games ro get ourselves where we want to be, give it a chance mate

cyprusred91

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I think if we are in the mix ( top 4 or just outside ) come Christmas, we will be ok.
We always seem to push on after Christmas.
I'm not to concerned yet, With all the injuries at the moment you could say it is damage limitation.
But I do share RDL's view of where has the fast pressing game gone? Is this purely down to our injuries? or is Brendan trying to re-invent our game?

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Always nice to hear a non Liverpool fan's view.
I

jonnybarnes89-90

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30 Sep 2014 08:08:21
TBH and much love for the Arsenal fans and Gunner62, They are in as much as trouble or even more than us.
No Ramsy, No Arteta, No Giroud and No Wilshere. They were held by spurs the other day and have a match against Chelsea and could see below us by Sunday. They also have a very crucial home game against Anderlecht.
Apart from City and Chelsea, Everyone are in trouble.

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30 Sep 2014 08:08:21
TBH and much love for the Arsenal fans and Gunner62, They are in as much as trouble or even more than us.
No Ramsy, No Arteta, No Giroud and No Wilshere. They were held by spurs the other day and have a match against Chelsea and could see below us by Sunday. They also have a very crucial home game against Anderlecht.
Apart from City and Chelsea, Everyone are in trouble.

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This is a very nice (too nice) post from gunner62. I agree expectations are high and the level of difficulty and complexity this season is increased.

So I ask the question: Why splurge so much money on players this summer? Surely that in itself raises expectations and immediately puts pressure back on the manager.
We didn't need so many new players. It seems we buy so many players that we are forced to loan others out?
Our summer spending was bonkers in my opinion and immediately increased expectations and heaped pressure on the squad and the manager.

Whatever happened to "evolution not revolution", or my preference "slowly slowly catchy monkey"?

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29 Sep 2014 10:51:42
Lets not get too down about our current standing. This is not too surprising. Villa always give us a game, Agbonlahor has scorer or assisted in each of his last 4 games against us. The derby is a knife edge on which any result can waiver. Southampton are a form team, playing well against everyone, not just us.
No enquiries into our downfall. We over achieved last season but we are not yet underachieving this season. Wait for the 10 game mark before we judge this infantile league.

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Have to agree, Andy but I don't see a problem with some constructive criticism. The next 4 games in the PL for us are all very much winnable and we need to start winning and climbing the table. If we win the next 4, thee is a very good chance that we will be back in the top at the end of these run of 4 PL games.

The real AG

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29 Sep 2014 10:32:26
On this Day in 1981, We lost the best Man ever to be part of our Club.

Bill Shankley.

You are deeply Missed.

Boom   Boom
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YNWA.

The real AG

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For all eternity shall the name remain Bill Shankley.

redohio

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29 Sep 2014 10:32:19
lets not get to down about the weekends result 2 points dropped some might say but 1 point gained, loads of positives to take from the game, the tempo from last season was getting there, lillana starting to show his worth, ballo getting the service and looking more confident (ok he didn't score but when that first pl goal goes in i think the flood gates will open) defence looking a bit better. I for one have been a fan of joe allen and i think he has been missed in mid field since he's been injured. Onwards and up wards fellow reds

Boston-ads

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I agree, it was one of the better performances we have put on.

The real AG

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I agree, it was one of the better performances we have put on.

The real AG

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The Real AG

I'll say this just once ^ lol

Derby matches are never going to be good reliable form barometers

Both teams should now take what positives they can out of the game and move on to the next one

Personally I think derbies are much too frenetic ! exciting yes however far from masterclasses in skill and precision .

Of course we could discuss exceptional goals though ;)

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Exceptional goals? more like a lucky striker ;)

The real AG

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Fortunate to be in the right place at the right time maybe ?

However what technique, what a delivery,

What an occasion grabbing spectacular strike

What, yes what a feast for our eyes

Ahhhhh I could go on but why would I need to remind you of this glorious worldy ?

which changed the result and no doubt be will be an iconic landmark strike for all time

Repeat for all time >>>>:)

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Blue247 - Personally I think derbies are much too frenetic ! exciting yes however far from masterclasses in skill and precision .
I do recall a certain 4-0 masterclass that may contradict your opinion !

halflot

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Blue 247 is right. One of the best free kicks I've seen for a long time

Blocked

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Blue 247. . When is the dvd of the goal out?

jonnybarnes89-90

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29 Sep 2014 09:45:01
Saw some stuff about a live match day talk page down below
imo it wouldn't work. With some of th posters here (not u Harry)
It would be like
gerrard misplaced one pass
"His legs are gone he needs to retire"
Balotelli takes a shot when no one is in front of him
"Greediest player ever"
Lallana fails one dribble
"25 million wasted"

I shudder to think what else would happen if we play badly and lose

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29 Sep 2014 10:01:19
What happens when you fail in the exam?
You get an applause and standing owation at home?

Mate. We lost 2 back to back games against Chelsea and City last december. No one utterd a signle word against the team and rightly so.

Our performance were top class against both the title chasing team.

If you play poor, You are criticised and very rightly so.

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29 Sep 2014 10:13:03
We have played poorly no qualms about that. But people are blowing it way out of proportion
Some people here, not you have made it an agenda to criticize our players.
Eg lallana had a good game against Boro and still I am seeing people shout it was 25 million wasted on him and how he is just an average player.
Constructive Criticism i'd good. Eg hull defeat last year. I didn't used to post then but I saw here that people used to talk more sense.
Now its just criticize the managers and players without giving any explanation br out 125 million wasted etc etc.
I am just dissapointed with the way everyone here has reacted.
I believe we should bring back Hodgson for some games to show everyone how far we havr progressed.
Rant over

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29 Sep 2014 10:20:48
Our Performance against VIlla, West ham, Ludrokcs were nothing short of what you saw against Hull last season.

Not a win in 3 weeks, 7 out of possible 18 points.

There's quiet a lot out there who are dissapointed both on transfers and performance. The biggest signal we got it from Spurs last season spending money on players at will.

Players such as Lamela, Erriskon, Chadli weren't poor. They were pretty solid in their domestic league.

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For me, it will work. If people want to be negative during the match, it may be fine provided that the posts after the match are a bit more reflective.

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29 Sep 2014 10:29:50
Reet

If you really admire and consider Carra as a top class Man and a legend.
Check his latest Interview on the signings, our style of play and the things happening with the club.

I am sure you wouldn't differ him. He got it bang on.

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I think if you have spent £125 million on 10 new players and you start a new season badly on the back of being 2nd last year do you need any other excuse?

The Irish Rover

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YNWAREET,

i think you are so wrong, every fan of what ever club they support has a right to their opinion and their opinions should not be blocked or say it is wrong, everyone is entitled to have their say, who to say your post is wrong in judging what people are going to put as wrong thing to say, i shudder that the eds listen to you and stop people having their say, if a fan thinks a player has done something wrong who is to say the fan is wrong, YOUR the one who says it all the time, i'm sorry but our players do get things wrong and make mistakes, they get payed a lot of money and we fans pay a lot of money to watch them so we have the right to pick up on the mistakes the players make, you act like your opinion is the only one that counts, thank god it does not

STowens

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29 Sep 2014 09:03:05
who is this administrator ED?
Give us all a description and your qualification of being an administrator and so called judge and jury on our posts.

Why is it if you like something its posted and if it is controversial its not?

What gives you the right to determine after all its views from different people from varied walks of life.
Be reasonable !

kingh singh

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are bleating about. To be honest, looking at your previous posts they seem to be evenly divided between complaints about the management and players at the club and some strange paranoid rambles regarding a conspiracy about your posts being held back. I am not sure which club you support - it sure as hell is not Liverpool as there is zero positive you have to say.}

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29 Sep 2014 09:24:19
Seems He is younger then Reet. that's close as 10 year old.
Eds. The only positive about the post is its reaching people beyond their age. lols.

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29 Sep 2014 09:48:26
One should come and see some of his posts which comes over to me and ben. Hillarioous is thw word

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Qualifications of being an Editor? Which planet are you from?

The real AG

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29 Sep 2014 10:59:30
I am surprised how this guy hasn't been banned yet after all the nonsense he posts

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Oh ............. bollocks deleted.....

STowens

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You are deluded and paranoid. Quite frankly you need to get some help.}

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29 Sep 2014 08:51:51
its a funny old world, a lot of people thought liverpool where doing good business by paying 40 odd million to southampton for 3 players.now it seems the saints where in fact getting rid of their "deadwood" normal service has been resumed "lfc paying over the odds"

the word

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The word the coward. It's fascinating how you chose the precise moment Spurs go above LFC in table before posting here. We are fortunate, because it rarely lasts for more than a weekend.

The real AG

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Lamela!

The Irish Rover

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29 Sep 2014 07:35:07
Ed002 i just saw you refer to sakho being brendaned on aug 25th can you say the reason please.

steviep62

Ed02{Ed002's Note - See previous answers - and this was done to death at the time. Sadly most of the posters were unwilling to understand what was happening with Lovren and the way it would go. They were still in the garden talking with the butterflies.}

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Brendan has replaced Sakho less than a year after he signed him with in my opinion, an inferior player in Lovren. As a partnership they looked good potentially. Rodgers complete lack of defensive awareness is merely compounded by his love of Johnson, Skrtel and Gerrard (in a deep role). He needs to understand that not every player has to pose a threat to the oppositions goal! Johnsons crossing, Skrtels headers and Gerrards dead balls count for nothing if we concede 2 goals a game.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Another gripe might be that Lovren was available for £8M or so last summer. So it seems like another £30M overspend. This is the whole "balance" issue that seems to underpin the concerns I have about spending. These are significant amounts of money being spent and to me it goes beyond squad depth. We'll see.}

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29 Sep 2014 09:22:49
Ed002. Taking this as context I would like to hear from you on this.
Whats the major difference between a Transfer committee and a DOF?
I am sorry and ignore it, If you have replied it earlier.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It is like the difference between a horse and a banana.}

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29 Sep 2014 10:00:08
Ed002. Yes. I do agree, Lovern was BR's choice and the committee bought Sakho instead last year.
Joke. absolute Joke.
I just had a read of Tony Barrett comments and views on the whole Sakho situation.

This might be a stupid question, But the People inside the committee, Have they ever been to a football pitch?. because you cannot buy a player if you have no knowledge about the game.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has some very talented people in that role.}

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Not surprised at all.

The real AG

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What is ridiculous is how you try your best to sell sakho to be some world class defender who has been instrumental to us keeping us clean sheets.Skrtel has earned the right to be the first name on the team sheet not sakho who is proving to be a waste of money

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28 Sep 2014 23:55:57
eds reds I've just watched the re run of the derby on lfctv. i think we looked better again was impressed by most of the team, two things, when the ball came to our right, first half, where was markovic? to deep for me, we seemned to have the centre and left covered and pressing, but the right unbalanced. second we still seemned reluctant at times to try to attack and move the ball side or back. the players did look, at times, they didn't know where to be, but mostly looking better. we need to sort out the problems very quickley.

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28 Sep 2014 22:48:36
Eds, any reason why my 7 recent attempts at posting haven't been put on the site?

Alanhuyton

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I can see one unacceptable one and nothing else. I don't have the time for BS questions like this.}

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Ok, hope this is acceptable.......

Alanhuyton

Ed07{Ed007's Note - I deleted posts from you so you'll understand why this was not acceptable either. That's the end of the matter, man up, deal with it and move on - before I move it on.}

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28 Sep 2014 21:21:03
Sorry to post this in rumours my phone won't allow me the option to post banter for some reason . Eds have you ever thought about having a live chat option during matches ? Would be a good addition to the site in my opinion . I know you would get all the trolls but still would add another dimension to the site

Johnaldinioh

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Yes - it might well happen.}

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28 Sep 2014 21:48:03
That would be brilliant and should include the Eds into it. would keep things calm and well.

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28 Sep 2014 23:03:19
Great idea

Frankly Mr Shankly

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I think the word 'carnage' springs to mind

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Omg ken yes lol

Onion

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29 Sep 2014 04:20:55
Ken more like unparalleled unseen uncontrollable carnage

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If a live chat were to happen ed, please make it for registered users only, as anon users will simply attract abuse and then i can see that itll be taken away after implementation due to the abuse. registered users would atleast reduce the abuse. i'm only suggesting this because i think live chat would be an awesome addition and i want it to stay. add that live chat to the future possible phone app ed!

Kaizer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it would any ever be for registered users, that is the only way it could work.}

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29 Sep 2014 09:19:47
LMAO realy? eds have allready made it clear we are by far the most hard to deal with fans, and Ed002 realy? would you be involved? every amswer would be RTFP lol

Onion

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It would be nothing to do with me. It would be no more that the Liverpool supporters abusing the players, the management and the club. It would never last.}

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Good idea. Might help to get rid of one of other pages, which a lot of folks don't read.

The real AG

Ed01{Ed001's Note - not sure how that would help anything?}

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29 Sep 2014 11:34:56
I think Ed002 says all the nonsense and during he match and immediate post match posts (when they are over the top) gets dumped on to the Other Liverpool Posts or something?

Maybe we could do away with that page and instead start a chat feature, only open for like the Match Day? Lots of ill-thought-of posts do get posted on Match day and it is understandable IMO. What do you think Ed001?

The real AG

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I don't see the problem with them continuing to go on the other page as well, it lets you see the idiocy of some people and gives you a constant reminder......}

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28 Sep 2014 20:59:46
Evening Eds and Reds

Does anyone no when both Can and Allen are due back from injury? Could they be in the squad for Wednesday?

Dezmondo

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28 Sep 2014 21:49:25
Can is a month away from any game and Club hasn't set a date of return for Allen.
the last I heard it here.

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28 Sep 2014 22:15:22
I'm liking forward to can coming back just hope Brendan puts him in for a few games a mid trio of can Henderson and Allen would provide plenty of energy and hopefully cut out this splitting of the cbs

Johnaldinioh

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28 Sep 2014 20:58:22
This will have been done I think but does anyone else think Jagielka's goal is the result of bad defending?
I get that its a once in a career wonder shot from a CB but when tbe ball gets cleared everyone can see what's happening. Jagielka is winding up for what seems like a lifetime. I understand that the players could not have closed him down much quicker because he was far out, but even at my poor level we know that if we can't get out to the man then we close the space and cover the angles towards goal.
Good goal, won't take that away from Jags, just think the defense were too flat footed.

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28 Sep 2014 21:51:06
Don't think so mate. That was once in a lifetime strike. Gerrard did try to block him and everyone wished him to strike it resulting a GK.

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It was a great goal Andy, but the problem was that everyone was defending, and way too deep, not only was Jagielka winding up for a big shot, but he had another teammate a few feet to his right, think we were 10 yards too deep at least, and no-one keeping Jagielka back were he shold have been, what a strike tho .

redforever

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Same old hind sight 20/20 BS. LFC and especially Gerrard have ade a living from scoring goals like Jagielka`s goal in the last minute of games. Jagielka scored a great goal and no need to start pointing fingers because it only makes you sound petty and eager to lay blame on someone when there`s no blame to placed on anyone. We were the better team and deserved the win BUT didn`t get it. Get over it and move on.

redohio

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29 Sep 2014 10:34:51
I have no argument that it was a great strike, my argument is with the players not getting out in the correct manner. There was more that could have been done to defend the goal. Like I say the players defending should have covered the angles, blocking the routes to goal. This is just the same as a keeper knowing his angles.
The goal may still have gone in, just saying that I wasnt overly impressed with the way we defended the second ball, which Jagielka smashed!
Nor am I petty, we drew a game bcause we deserved to. Simple. We didn't kill the game when we were commanding it and we paid the price. Its all part of my love for the game.

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28 Sep 2014 20:37:15
I think we can be optimistic looking at the table. One more point could get us to 7th. Another two get you up to fourth. It is only the beginning of the season, and the performance wasn't all that bad. We can thank the nature of the league, as we are still close to the Champions League spots.

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28 Sep 2014 19:55:25
why don't you put up my posts isit because there too controversial ?

kingh singh

Ed02{Ed002's Note - They will be there on one of the pages used to collect all of the nonsense.}

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Ouch! lol

Hoola

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28 Sep 2014 23:04:58
Another stinger from ed 2 ;)
Have you thought about a book of putdowns ;)

Frankly Mr Shankly

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28 Sep 2014 18:00:30
Also cannot understand why there is so much negativity towards Sakho.

Lovren and Sakho have given us our only clean sheet this season and as a CB pair have conceded 2 goals. Skrtel and Lovren have seen us concede 7 goals in four games a CB pair.

There at least has been some form of communication when Lovren and Sakho have paired up. With Skrtel and Lovren it is 'you do your thing and I will do mine'. Skrtel and Sakho also no communication as seen from last season.

Spot the problem??

Max1981

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28 Sep 2014 19:05:59
If Skretel and Sakho has no communication, How would Sakho communicate to Lovern?

Just asking.

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Correction, Lovren and Sakho have only conceded one goal as a CB pair.

Not sure why Rodgers has not decided to give them a run.

Max1981

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Done to death. I explained at length about this. Unfortunately it caused problems with some of the posters who struggle with rational discussion.}

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Sakho has been very average since he joined liverpool.he hasn't done enough to be a starter imo.brendan needs to decide if he really wants him, if not let's cash in

Jessie Pinkman

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I think your rationale is rubbish. You do realise that conceding goals is not just the responsibility of the centre halves? There are other defenders, a midfield, attack and a gk that influence this too?
Weather your right or not about Skertel is open to interpretation, but to use this statistic as a barometer is ridiculous?
It's like suggesting that Eric Dier is a better goalscorer than Sturridge due to scoring more goals this season!
Id suggest that Lovren has been our poorest performer so far this season in that position, which is quite an achievement! Particularly as he has been hailed as the saviour to our vulnerabilities.
It's far more accurate to assess where or how the goals have been conceded and if they could have been avoided?
The very impressive Moreno still has lots of improvement in this area based on responsibility for goals conceded thus far.
Skertel has been at fault directly or indirectly for maybe only one or two of those goals conceded.
So formulate your opinion by all means, but try to be constructive and not just biased!

Sirshanks

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They are both French speakers, so it should help. Unfortunately, Rodgers just generally dislikes using Sakho.

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28 Sep 2014 20:52:04
Sirshanks

Moreno is an attacking full back much like Luke Shaw and Baines. They would be caught behind. Your DM needs to cover them up.
BR knew what he was bringing in with Moreno.

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So Moreno is the new scapegoat for posters now. The boy put Lukaku in his pocket all game and still gets slated. The Eds are right for not posting certain comments because like these comments, they just make me sick about how blind, fickle and deluded some fans are because they are so quick to blame someone if we don`t win even those who play well. N BTW, NONE of or cb`s have played well this season so they all need to improve.

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 16:56:14
It is a bit strange to to me why Rodgers is going with two holding midfielders.

He has had Gerrard/Lucas holding and failed miserably and Gerrard/ Henderson twice as a holding pair which has not really been effective either so my question to Rodgers would be why continue with something that is not working?

Our best display this season was against Spurs, Gerrard as the single pivot with Allen and Henderson doing the running. I can understand Allen and Sturridge are injured but to completely change the way our team is used to playing is an accident waiting to happen and as we have seen, the accident keeps on happening.

I see no reason why Lallana cannot sit in for Allen while is out. He was a workhorse for Southampton, can press, tackle and has loads of energy.

My other issue is Balotelli upfront on his own. He looks lost half of the time. Play two upfront?

Another thing that made me want to hit the roof from the match yesterday was when we were protecting a one goal lead. Since when do we play like this? All season long besides the Spurs match we have sat back and allowed the opposition to come at us.

Do not get me wrong, I am a huge Rodgers fan but the football I am witnessing this season most of the time looks laboured and there is just no intention to take the game to the opposition. We would rather just sit back and let them run over us.

What West Ham did to us in those painful seven minutes when we conceded 2 goals is what we were doing to teams last season. We had no answers in that match. Yesterday we sit back and invite the pressure and Everton take advantage of it. The last time I checked we do not have the defence to protect a one goal lead.

Just very frustrated at the moment. If we keep on playing like this then we will miss out on a CL spot.

Max1981

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This is annoying.there is no point playing the diamond when the right players aren't available.we played the diamond against westham and conceeded twice in 7minutes
You make another ridiculous point about trying to protect a 1-0 lead which is exactly what we did against spurs until we got the second goal.we tried to get the second against everton but failed what else do you want the team to do?
Stop moaning and start supporting

Jessie Pinkman

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Our midfield diamond vs West Ham consisted of Gerrard and Lucas. It is an even bigger mistake than playing these two as holding midfielders. Why do you think Rodgers took of Lucas at half time?

As I have said, I am a huge Rodgers fan but he is cutting his nose to spite his face.

Max1981

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Gerard and Lucas does not work, due to a complete lack of pace . when Joe Allen returns, he will give much more to the midfield, when sturridge returns, I expect us to get back to winning ways, also more positive posts, mine included .

redforever

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BR`s trying to find a solution hence, he`s trying diff things. Can`t blame the guy for trying. He played SG and Lucas in mid vs WH and it failed because they are both one paced and lack the energy to pressure hence, he changed i by subbing Lucas and playing Hendo net to Gerrard. Also, if you want to play the diamond, we need to have Hendo, SG like it or not JOE ALLEN because both he and Hendo have the ability and energy to pressure and hassle the opposition while adding sleek passing and possession to our game. We need all our players who are suited for the diamond (Allen, Can, Studge) back at full strength or we`re going to struggle.

redohio

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect that he has discovered (or been told of) the hole he is in and the mistakes he has made. Now he is trying to get out of it with as few causalities as possible. But they are there to see now - those that will be cast aside will either be aware of it (Kirikou, Suso and Pipco for example) or soon will be aware of it. I would hope that he would be open to some help with (a) the man management of the first team, and (b) setting up the team and coaching. I don't want to get in to specifics of goal keeping coaches or defensive coaches but there just needs to be a little bit of calmness and a little tweek to help the team back on course and I am sure they will be fine. I am far from convinced that adding additional players will help out right now.

Maybe it would help if some of the "Liverpool legends" stepped back from having strong opinions for a while?

Maybe someone is being consulted about the chances of giving a helping hand for a while or just reviewing the regime the coaches and the team are following - this is not uncommon amongst the higher level teams. It has happened with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea and a number of others I can think of.}

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28 Sep 2014 19:55:37
"Liverpool legends" stepped back from having strong opinions for a while

That's a fantastic point Ed. We do have some real good out there who would do a very good job.

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I agree Redohio, I feel that when he's got the players that he feels can play the diamond, ie Sturridge, Allen and Henderson (possibly Can) all fit at once, then he'll utilise it more often than not.

I remember him saying last season that it is only down to the athleticism of players like Henderson that you can get away with playing two up front. Think it was after the Everton game, though I might be wrong.

I think we'll look a different team when he's got them players back, as we saw against Spurs.

Walton Red

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A midfield diamond of Henderson Allen Sterling in the hole and Lallana with two up front would be the best possible option Rodgers has tried different things but from what I can see if you want a good ball retaining midfielder rather than Gerrard play Allen and then Lallana Henderson and Sterling fluid young quick excting

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28 Sep 2014 20:49:44
Walton

Lallana could defo play instead of Allen in the middle. He is a hard working player and would influence much more than played out wide.
Allen's come back date isn't fixed and Can is a month away from recovery.
We cannot wait for these player to kick start our season.

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29 Sep 2014 07:34:46
So you see Coutinho as being on the Brendaned train with Sakho and Lucas, Ed002? Hard to disagree, sadly, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Markovic joining them shortly.

RDL

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28 Sep 2014 16:08:48
Hello edds

Seeing some people suggesting Liverpool should and will be going for another striker in January. I can't see it myself after the summer spend. Heard anything on it?

Thanks

Furfi3

Ed02{Ed002's Note - With Origi arriving next summer I cannot see it unless someone significant is leaving.}

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28 Sep 2014 15:10:48
Ed002, you mention Loverpool's bad buys, and I hate to say it, we do seem to spend a lot of money on players that just don't work out. (I know some do but. )

Why?

Quanity more than quality?
Can't attract quality as we Can't/won't pay huge wages?
Poor scouting?
Over paying for average?

Statto

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The problem was in the owners allowing a series of managers to make changes that, in many cases, were never really going to address the needs at the time. Carroll, Poulson, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Cole, Coates, Adam, Downing, Assaidi, Sahin, Borini, Aspas, Ilori, Alberto, Cissokho, Moses - even before we get to this year's bunch. The players did not rack up large numbers of games and in many cases were fluff on the edge of the squad. Much less money could have been spent on fewer players who could have contributed more.}

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Thanks Ed, for the frank and honest answer, bang on in fairness

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28 Sep 2014 16:12:15
Ed002. You nailed it. Couldn't agree more

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What irritates me however; when the said bunch are criticised, as in the main their limitations were obvious to me, the 'go and support someone else' bunch have a moment of glory and use blind judgement as a vehicle to give them their desired push for the 'fan of the year' accolade.

Ozone

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28 Sep 2014 19:58:40
Ozone.

We are ending 2014 and that should be your post of the year. lols.
There is another famous which only pop ups during transfer window.
". X is past. Y is the Future. "

One among the Y. Suso is heading out.

lols.

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28 Sep 2014 14:54:02
I do think that by now BR must realize that Suso should get his chance as he can only do better than Markovic and not worst. I hear the talk of work rate and all sort of bull as excuse why he is not playing but i think that BR needs to swallow his pride a bit and save his job and play anyone who will impact the game as Suso has done in pre-season and his first game for us. The kid has a cool head which Markovic clearly does not also he has vision and just about what we need at the moment. I've seen him play for Almeria and although not the quickest he does have pace its just that he relies on his technique rather than just running beyond people. Give him his chance BR he may save your job which looks to be heading down the dumps.

y2k3   y2k3
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28 Sep 2014 15:34:00
If Suso Work rate isn't good enough. I wonder how could he be on bench?
Someone is contradicting big time.

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28 Sep 2014 13:51:33
Question for Ed1, in your humble opinion, is there much chance br will revert to last season's set up/tactics?
And use the "conserve the energy" tactic on only specific occasions? Or is this it now tactics wise?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I would expect him to revert later in the season as this isn't working.}

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In my opinion it will only happen if we get Suarez on loan in January.

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We should have just Pedro or Son and partnered one of them with Sturridge. I really do not understand why BR changed a successful system. It would also have allowed the team to use all the raw pace of Sterling, Sturridge and Pedro/Son to devastating effect by pushing the opposition deeper.

Indian Buzzer

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Lol. Ken :-)

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28 Sep 2014 16:05:35
Indian

Pelle for Southampton. Turning out to be an excellent signing.

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What system indian??is it this same diamond we played against westham

Jessie Pinkman

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28 Sep 2014 18:57:12
Jassie

Playing diamond with Lucas ahead of Gerrard??
Utter poor tactics by our Manager. Could you tell me the reason to play Gerrard at DM and Lucas at advanced CM??

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28 Sep 2014 12:30:55
Has anyone ever considered that it's not just the fact that new players need bedding in that we looked disjointed this season ( bar a couple of games ) but the fact that BR feels that we have to change shape, reason being we started getting caught out by teams at the end of last season - pressing us high up with our splitting cb's and leaking goals? Don't forget we are currently without our striking pair from last year who where on top form as well. I personally like the fact that BR is not afraid to try new systems out ( 4 -2 - 3 - 1 yesterday and hope all this critisism won't get to him. Don't forget all the stick he got the first few games he went for a 4 4 2 diamond with Gerrard holding mid, but he stuck with it and the rest is history.
I for one am more than willing to give him a chance to get the team playing the way he wants it to, not sure about the rest you lot

cyprusred91

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't mind that, but surely he should stop the centre backs splitting, as that was the main issue, rather than altering our whole style of play? Our style of play was effective, splitting the centre backs is just idiotic. All it does is invite pressure.}

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28 Sep 2014 12:35:10
Cyprus

You would give him a fair chance to alter a winning formula?. lols.

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28 Sep 2014 13:52:59
regards the centre backs splitting- they split to far in my opinion, inviting the opposistion to try to press on our dm(sg) and the possibility of mistakes in creases. for me don't split or not as much and mybe we need someone else in the dm posistion, i wouldve suggested, with suarez gone and sturridge injured, something br did at swansea if my memory serves me right, playing one striker up top(balotelli) then the diamond behind, but with a pivitol cmid right in the centre, so maybe lucas at the base, henderson right, lallana left stirling at the top of the diamond and sg right in the middle, pivitol, players all around him, could completley dictate and not really needing lots of legs. even if say ed01 sees the point in that, then when sturrige is fit what then? maybe back to two up top and sg at the top of the diamond, stirling up top with sturridge, can when fit at cdm?

steviep62

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No splitters!

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Appreciate the replies, as for your point of altering a winning formula, well yes boom we have to alter it when the only reason we reverted to it in the first place was to accommodate our 2 strikers, which we seem to be missing this season which I'm sure you've noticed. Also you expect the team to concede less goals but when we revert to defensive formation and lose our attacking edge it's still not good enough, matter of fact is we have to find a right balance and that's what I think BR is looking for. As for the CB's splitting I really don't think it's the worst tactic ever, as long as you have composed players playing the ball out of the defence and not just 50 yard crosses in behind their defence, especially now we seem to be lacking the runners, so perhaps with our squad BR should look to a different defensive approach I agree

cyprusred91

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28 Sep 2014 12:28:34
Shame about the result yesterday but really great to see us looking more comfortable. Lallana is starting to look like the player we bought, for me it all changed when Phil came on, him and Sterling were excellent together. Sturridge is due to come back in, which will take the pressure off Mario. No one was going to be stopping that shot from Phil Jags, what a great goal! The defence was looking much better as well, I'm just massively relieved that their goal was a worldie rather than a scrappy goal conceded as a result of miscommunication and flapping in the penalty area. Would like to see Markovic and Lallana shooting more. I think confidence is growing and will continue to do so. Shaky start to the season from us, but a lot of tough fixtures out the way. I expect us to go on a long winning run soon.

Cheers guys

Super

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It was a great strike but we should have a spare man on the edge of the box to block them shots. The headed clearance was always going to fall to an Everton player wasn't it. In that respect I think we were positionally poor so it probably can be counted as a mistake.

JC10

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28 Sep 2014 13:19:52
1-0 lead is a good as 0-0, You hardly hang up with that lead and Our history says, we haven't won a game with 1-0 lead in past 392 mts of football.
Should ave scored that all important second goal.

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28 Sep 2014 12:02:31
ed01 why is it br has changed things from the second half of last season especially? is it just down to losing suarez? i was at the derby yday i thought we were a bit more upto speed, but there were still oppurtunities to go for it and we didn't and ended up paying the price with no time left to go for a winner. we were in the anny rd end 126 fantastic atmosphere.

steviep62

Ed01{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told, he feels that we fell at the final hurdle due to pushing too hard, and he feels we need to be more controlled this season. I can see the thinking, but surely we bought the players to allow those feeling the pace to rest?}

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28 Sep 2014 12:23:29
Ed01

What you mean by controlled in the season?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - play with more control, it requires less energy than everyone charging around. Theoretically at least, as that supposes you actually have the ball to be controlled. Personally I think a high press is the best way to play, the further up the pitch you can win the ball back the better. The closer you let opponents to your goal, the more dangerous the situation.}

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28 Sep 2014 12:32:44
ed01 i can see the point v chelsea and consequently v palace but at this stage of rhe season? and didn't we start in a similar vain then changed things for the same reason, it wasnt working!! i don't see the reasoning and your piont makes it even more puzzling, more players, higher quality, I've used this word a lot over the past month, PUZZLED!! thanks ed01.

steviep62

Ed01{Ed001's Note - exactly, it is very confusing and makes little sense.}

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28 Sep 2014 12:37:33
Ed01

Something like pass and move. Keeping the ball for a longer periods?. controlling the game rather than attacking from the word go. Like Arsenal?
Looking to score that perfect goal?

But Don't you think it would take players like Sterling and Markovic out of the equations, because both players biggest asset is their pace?

I might be wrong in my view?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - pace is a major asset in that kind of system as it forces the opposition deeper, which allows more space to pass the ball around and control possession.}

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28 Sep 2014 12:51:45
Ed01,

If you have seen us playing with pace last season you would dare not change anything one bit from it.
Against Arsenal, Everton, City, Spurs. We were running riot and looks a top class style of play for me.

Our Attacks against Arsenal is a 5mts long video in youtube. I don't understand the need of changing this system

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28 Sep 2014 13:54:17
right with you boom

steviep62

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I think it's the loss of Suarez. I don't blame Rodgers, he had no choice in the matter.

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28 Sep 2014 15:32:16
Well i think he's just responding to the critics of the defence last year.
Careful what you wish for. Loads of people were moaning about that here and other places.
Instead of praising the attacking play, we've just reverted that way swansea used to play. Loads of possession not much end product. Shame really

Frankly Mr Shankly

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28 Sep 2014 16:56:38
Rodgers is right to think we need more control, imo, I've bleated about enough times: we relied on a level of tempo that isn't sustainable for a whole season to get so close last year. I actually think we were at our best in December when Lucas, Allen & Hendo generally weren't giving opposition midfields a kick, rather than in March / April when we were going all out attack.

Problem is, we haven't had that control this year. Apart from maybe yesterday against Everton, but it was too slow, even for a control based approach. Personally, I think it partly comes down to the Gerrard question, he's not suited to being the playmaker because he mentally wired to look for longer passes and balls in behind a lot, rather than the simple one to maintain possession. He'll do it in individual games (like yesterday), but not over a sustained period. He should really be further forward sorting out the final ball, imo.

- Something Red -

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28 Sep 2014 11:58:36
I actually think it's a bit of a disgrace dropping Kirikou yesterday, I totally support him walking out, neither shouldve been dropped but certainly Lovren played worse in the past 2-3 games.

Lost a little bit more respect for Rodgers.

FORNAX

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I don't support him walking out because he's been dropped, but I'm glad he was bothered by it. Shows he cares.

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28 Sep 2014 15:41:05
Ken, I see your point but the only way Rodgers will ever take notice is with a more extreme form of protest, I am absolutely disgusted that he got dropped and if I found myself in that position I would do exactly the same thing.

What is it with Rodgers & Skrtel???

FORNAX

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Yes I was really angry when sakho got dropped also, the defence always kept clean sheets when he played

Jessie Pinkman

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I`m a Sahko fan as well BUT saying we kept clean sheets a lot when he played is plain WRONG.You must have missed the Cup gae in idweek or the WH gae at Upton Park where his error led to a third goal Amongst may other NON-clean sheets he`s participated in. He got dropped because HE GOT DROPPED. Coaches make decisions based on what they see in training and the opposition. BR is his coach BUT owes Kirikou NO explanations so your losing respect for BR because he made a decision to drop your fav player is plain childish and immature.

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 11:57:24
Would just like to say that Lallana is starting to look good. Can't have been easy missing pre season.

He'll be a big player for us this season!

Mr. T   Mr. T
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He had a good game, his best yet for the club. Now, he will need to pitch in with goals and assists.

The real AG

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25 million spent on a one season wonder and markovic couldn't beat an egg, 120 million wasted, not one world class player bought in two seasons, suso better than markovic. average manager, average players will finish mid table.

007

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28 Sep 2014 17:49:50
007 what are you on? Give the guys a chance you do realise how many games we have played. Markovic was always going to take time to adjust to the pace. And average manager? Yeah because average managers come second in a league that's regarded as one of the hardest. Sort your head out

Furfi3

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Markovic and Lallana have only played 4 games together since they moved yet you give them stick for not being world class. Support the team and players.

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 09:56:46
The benefits of good coaching even temporary ones showing at West Ham. Teddy Sheringham has been working with their attackers this season and they are looking very good.

Come on BR let's get a great Defensive coach in and look at an attacking coach to work with Mario, Borini, Lambert and the rest, it is not beyond reason that Daniel will get injured again and with FFP rules we won't be splashing the cash in January so we need to get the very very best out of the guys we have to challenge for a top 4 spot and have a respectable UCL run.

Come on Brendan, we are struggling all over the pitch, let's get some great coaches in, it'll make your job easier and hopefully will get us back challenging for the league which is where we should be not mid table struggling for points.

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28 Sep 2014 10:12:56
Great point.
highly impressed with Enner valencia. looks a top class player.

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28 Sep 2014 10:13:50
Mcgoveb

Our attacking coach last season were Suarez and Sturridge and we never had a defensive coach.

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28 Sep 2014 11:32:09
Spot on Harry. Suarez made Brendan think he was Pep.

Celestyn

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Not going to happen. BR has a team of coaches, like pretty much every manager, and they don't change that.

The real AG

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AG, isn't that a fault in any manager? Being so arrogant that you can't see your defense is so poor that you won't make the necessary decisions needed.

We were very very poor at the back last season and couldn't defend set pieces at all. Roll on this season and we have the same problem at the back. The saying is no player is bigger than the club but in my opinion and it's only an opinion I believe the managers arrogance in refusing to bring in better coaches will cost the club dearly.

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28 Sep 2014 13:18:13
Mcgoveb

One reason for this is not bringing in a top class keeper. A keeper who would command his line well and good. 70% of the average dead ball and Arial threats could be avoided if you have a keeper who would come out and punch the ball in the right situations.

The Reason our defense weren't a big concern last season was due the amount of goals we scored.

We always scored an average of 3+ goals in the first 45 mts making it almost impossible for the opposition to chase down in the second half.

The defense have been same but the goals have dried up.

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Boom, I do enjoy reading your posts but I have to say a couple of things.
Firstly I think as fans we all know that Suarez and Sturridge were wonderful and scored lots of goals last season but Suarez is gone so I'm not sure why you bring hos contribution up in so many posts.
Secondly I do agree that a more competent keeper would be great but we don't have one. We need to do the best we can with the players we have so that's why I think a defensive coach is needed.
and I'm not sure about you but I sure as he'll was concerned about our poor defense last season and still to this day don't know why it wasn't fixed with coaching etc last year. We are now in the exact same position defensively a year later and this is the managers responsibility.
Suarez is gone so i think we should leave it at that and discuss and have banter about the squad we have

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Board does the hiring and firing as we found out about 2yrs ago.
Brendan has a big say, but if results continue the way they have, his authority will diminish. If the board appoints a defensive coach, Brendan will have to work with them.

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"Suarez made BR look like Pep". Dumbest sentence ever. Was LS world class when we got him? NO because if he was, we would not have gotten him for a paltry 23m. He only scored 12 goals and needed 4 cracks to score a goal in 2012. It was BR that made Suarez and not the other way. His fluid style, his signings (Cout and Studge with the emergence of Raheem and Hendo) and his swift counter attacking system that made LS a beast (scoring almost 60 goals in 2yrs, ALL under BR). BR played to his strengths and made him the focal point of our attack. Yeah, BR did ALL of that because the last time I checked, BR is the manager and LS doesn`t coach himself, pick the team, and/or sign the players to play with him. Managers are paid to do all that. So for the clueless fans saying Suarez made BR, I think you all must be either blind, cross-eyed or plain disingenuous because based on the numbers, BR made Suarez the predator and arguably THE best player in the world that he is today. Rant over!

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 09:15:46
I thought we played really well yesterday. I think we are just finding our way this season. Let's look at the league table around Christmas when I am sure we will be up there. Some very encouraging signs yesterday. Lallana, Gerrard, Lovren, Manquillo and Moreno were all very good. Mario played well and some very good signs from him yesterday.

Mighty reds

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28 Sep 2014 09:26:19
The best signs till now has been the contribution of two 20 year old Full backs.
They were brilliant. Enjoying their usual natural game without hussle and puffle.
They contribute so much to our attacking dimensions.

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28 Sep 2014 09:55:01
Do they really Harry? They playing well but something is still not right. Perhaps they too advanced too early?

Fensh

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28 Sep 2014 10:17:18
Fensh

Exactly. And that's what BR actually wants from his full backs. Offensive full backs are vulnerable to track back.
The only one I remember is Ashley Cole.
Look at Marcelo or Alves.
And there come the importance of a top class DM.

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Well said mighty reds, a good assessment of yesterday and where we are at the moment. I think most sensible fans can see the bigger picture and know that long-term we're only going to improve.

Where we are now compred to when Brendan came in is chalk and cheese. We were a shambles when he took over.

Really looking forward to next season when I think we'll be miles better once the new guys have had a season to settle in. Plus Origi looks a really exciting player.

Sadly there's an element out there who want everything yesterday, and they seem to be the ones who bleat the loudest, i'm afraid.

Walton Red

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28 Sep 2014 11:27:38
Walton

Loved that sarcasm

Its been 15 long long years. certainly not yesterday. certainly not.
From finishing 2nd and with a blank cheaque of nearly 125 mill. I am disappointed with the position we are now. And trust me there are millions out there who are disappointed.

I hope BR proves me wrong But haven't seen quiet a lot of improvements TBH.

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28 Sep 2014 11:30:07
Lalanna and balotelli are really improving sturridge coming bk soon Gerrard scoring again, it took a wonder strike in the last min to undo us I think there's plenty of encouragement in yesterday's game.

Tommy Irish Red

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I thought well handled Everton really well and didn't look like scoring until that "worldie". Now is that because Everton are really poor or our defence looked better? Time will tell.

The Irish Rover

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The saving grace for me is that our "rivals" have struggled as well. Despite the poor start, we are only 4 points behind 3rd place and 3 behind 4th place.

Now, we have a 4 games coming up in the PL, all of which needs to be wins IMO.

Walton Red, are you saying it will take a whole season for these players to bed in? I don't see the Chelsea players or indeed the Southampton or West Ham players needing any sort of "transition". This excuse has been used one too many times and I don't buy into it anymore.

The real AG

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28 Sep 2014 12:13:31
Walton Red

So already made up our mind to start fresh next season??. lols.

We have spend close to 120 mill and increased our wage bill by rocket high. only expecting to finish in top 4 Else we would be in a much similar position as we were under H&G

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28 Sep 2014 12:26:43
Spot on AG. Dead Spot on. couldn't agree more and no more to Transition Excuse.

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28 Sep 2014 12:28:48
The Irish

Everton were poor and shocking yesterday, Without Barkley they look ordinary. We should have scored more than last year
Barry should have been sent off at-east 4 times.
They couldn't get pass Henderson in the middle.

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Harry, AG, I never said anything about transition. I actually think we'll do well this season when we find our feet. Harry when you compare the current situation to that under H&G, you are embarassing yourself.

I said I think we'll be better next year, which I do, it takes time for youngsters to settle in at massive club. Don't compare our signings' start to those at West Ham and Southampton, that's nonsensical. The pressures and standards required are on a different level.

We have filled a threadbare squad with potentially excellent players, with the likes of Ibe and Origi to come in. What's not to be positive about?

Walton Red

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28 Sep 2014 15:29:39
Walton

You aware the Debt the club currently in. That's pretty much the same under H&G.

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Threadbare squad? You mean the same threadbare squad BR picked? I mean, he practically replced players he bought with more players because the players he bought couldn't cut it.
Pressures involved much higher? I see you ignored Chelseas' squad. Don't they have preaures?

The real AG

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Chelsea bought stars, with wages to match. We rarely do that anymore. Our bench last season was threadbare, now its not.

Walton Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has the fourth highest EPL wage bill - Liverpool is fifth.}

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28 Sep 2014 17:37:36
Some here believes, Salah is paid at 150k and Remy is at 200k. lols.

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I would kindly suggest that everyone listen or read what Walton Red is posting because he is embarassing you all w/ the sensible points he`s posting. Our signings need time to blend in and our injured players need to come back healthy in order to judge the team properly. Oh and for the "fan" comparing us to the Saints in terms of how their signings are gelling, if that is your level then go support them because we have higher expectations at LFC than finishing 8th like the Saints did last season. Also, may I remind you that expectations for LFC players are on a much higher level than playing for a midtable club( they were 8th last year which was seen as a great achievevement hence expectations are not high at all playing for the Saints) where your signings have at least 2yrs to blend in w/o anyone in the media or fanbase getting on their backs. But you can always support them now because their second atm and come back to support us when we climb up the table because IMO, we defo will.

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 20:44:41
Redohio

Well written mate.

You would be surprised to see some here actually are happy to just finish in 4th spot after finishing 2nd last season. A club like Liverpool whose expectations are seen here every day, Giving up the title to Chelsea and City for the next 20 years.

Can you believe, We have already given up the title to City or Chelsea this year.

No one is having a pop at the players nor the club. We are Liverpool and 1 shots on target at home game should be criticized. and rightly so.

The Manager has done quiet a lot of blunders both in transfer market and on the pitch which is reflecting our table.

No offence mate. Peace out.

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Thanks Redohio. I honestly believe that the majority of Reds fans, and definately the lads I go to the match and have a drink with, can see things for how they are at the moment.

Sadly, as I posted earlier, it seems to be certain types of negative persons who regularly bleet the loudest, which is frustrating and ultimately, I feel, counter productive.

Walton Red

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Harry, how much in wages and transfer fees do you suppose Costa and Fabregas cost? Salah and Remy are not the established stars I was referring to, do you need that pointing out?

Liverpool, I believe, do not have the will to lavish such an outlay on one player anymore, this seems sensible ATM. With these players, and those such as Di Maria, you are almost certainly guaranteed instant success. With youngsters and players taking a step up, it takes time.

Walton Red

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28 Sep 2014 22:00:10
Walton

Agreed on the star's wages.
But you do realise we are just below chelsea in wages and our spending in past 3 years have been sky high.

Mate. There are no negative person in the world. some are optimistic and others takes a safe approach.
when something is wrong and continues to be. you tend to poiny out. thers is no shame or harm in it.

I am sure everyone before the kick off each game. Come to this site and wish the lads best wishes.

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28 Sep 2014 08:53:17
So, Origi scored again!

Would be nice if we could get him in January, prob not though.

Shame.

Mr. T   Mr. T
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28 Sep 2014 09:06:13
And where would he play?. Bench him? We had 2 strikers on bench yesterday and it took 86 mts to bring in one.

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Not going to happen. Part of the deal included him staying put for another year. Otherwise, we would have to pay extra.

The real AG

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Harry, if Origi was at LFC right now, i'm pretty sure he would be paired up front with Balo. BR imo does not rate Borini at all, and Lambert is simply a plan B to come on late in a game to change things around a little. For now, Balo is the only first team striker BR has available with DS injured.

Indian Buzzer

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28 Sep 2014 10:19:42
Indian

You do realize that Lambert is a decent player. HE IS BLOODY NOT A HEADER SPECIALIST. IF THAT'S WHAT BR CALLS IT AS A PLAN B.
Y do you buy players, If you don't want to play him?

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He'd play up top with Mario atm! I seem to remember us having a decent season last year with two up top. Lambert is struggling for form atm, would make sense to me.

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Origi will be a beast when he comes here and him playing week in, week out will only do him good. By then, Borini will be gone. N BTW, guess who is keeping Lukaku out of a very talented Belgian team? You guessed it. ORIGI.

redohio

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28 Sep 2014 08:13:43
The first rule of Chelsea Supporters Club is.

Don't wear your old Man Utd shirt.

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28 Sep 2014 08:40:40
Credit to Jose. Mere 3 signings and got dead spot on.

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Coutois returns, Felipe Luis, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Drogba and Remy.

That is 7 signings Harry. I am going to include "addition" to the list of things you are carp at.

The real AG

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Costa, Fabregas, Courtois, Drogba, Remy, Felipe Luis are all new players to Jose this season. Add to that Matic, Salah, Willian, Eto'o, Schurrle who he has also singned since the start o his new tenure at Chelsea! that's a full team! 11 players Harry.

The Irish Rover

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28 Sep 2014 09:28:58
Do you still have you Torres chelski shirt harry? ;-)

Fensh

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28 Sep 2014 09:31:01
6 signings. and 3 starts right into first team
Both Drogba and Remy were replacement for Torres and Ba. Fillippe luiz for Ashley Cole.
Matic and Salah was signed in Jan to replace Essien and Mata.

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28 Sep 2014 09:41:49
Fensh

No. But I had one of Lampard England shirt.

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Irish Rover, it is not about how many players Jose has bought since last season. It is about how many have slotted into their team right away without needing time to settle down and have made a major impact. Who cares if he bought a whole team of new players? The important thing is ensuring the club gets a return on the players and Chelsea have done exactly that, while LFC's transfer policy is just s***.

Indian Buzzer

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28 Sep 2014 10:07:14
Credit to Jose, didn't take him long to integrate a whole new team.

Celestyn

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28 Sep 2014 10:24:24
Apart from Salah. All others have been quiet well at Chelsea given the role they are told to play.
Matic. Costa. Fabrigas. Remy.
They also sold David luiz and replaced with none. We would have bought 3 defenders and loaned 2 of them.

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They replaced David Luiz with Zouma. You are making a fool of yourself now lad.

The real AG

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28 Sep 2014 12:31:48
Zouma isn't starting Ryt mate. Nor would be hurried upon unless anything major happens.

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But Chelsea did replace a CB (David Luiz) with another CB (Kurt Zouma). Is that clear Harry?

The real AG

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Zouma was already a Chelsea player out on loan. However, Chelsea have been trying to bring in another centre back and were unsuccessful. They will try again next summer.}

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28 Sep 2014 13:26:38
All I meant, They bought players and are slotting in rightly. He got it spot on.

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He can spot a player with an unlimited budget.
Big deal?
Who knew Costa and Fabregas were good players?

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28 Sep 2014 15:32:07
Ken

Seriously. Costa and Fabrigas were Gamble??

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Chelsea`s core team have been together for years. They only add 3/4 players and move a few players out per summer. What LFC`s doing now (adding depth), is what Chelsea`s been doing for years albeit w/ diff managers and a seemingly BOTTOMLESS pit of money. Comparing apples w/ oranges is not the best way to make your point, however skewed it might be.

redohio

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You might want to check on the spending in recent years.}

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28 Sep 2014 07:36:55
Hey Eds I was wondering if there were any books or resources you would recommend which look at the tactical side of football and understanding the game whit more depth? Also really appreciate your hard work in running this site.

RedSmith13

Ed01{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head, the only thing I can think of to do would be to see if you can find clips of old Sky Sports tactical talks that George Graham used to do. They were excellent, very illuminating on positioning of defences in particular. It is difficult, because most of the best coaches don't tend to share details of their tactics, because they might be giving something away. So you need to find stuff they have done while out of work. Bielsa I know gave a lot of tactical seminars while in between jobs recently, Brendan Rodgers attended one which was why we changed our whole style last season, due to the lessons he learnt from the mad genius of Bielsa. If you can find any footage of those, I am sure that would be extremely worthwhile, as he truly is a genius. Other than that, I have yet to read anything I would recommend, but it is difficult to transmit those kinds of ideas without visual aids, especially video clips.}

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28 Sep 2014 08:42:18
Ed01. Seems BR has missed the second part of that Seminar. lols.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no, we were excellent last season, it is just a shame he has forgotten the lessons learnt so far this season.}

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28 Sep 2014 08:51:14
ED01. Thought the second part was due last month.

We would have walked away with 3 points in both against Everton and Villa, If BR got the starting eleven and style spot on.

He doesn't trust anyone apart Sturridge and that's a signal of worry

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Bielsa is now employed, just watch Marseille go and you will see the lessons BR has forgotten this season.}

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Given the choice would you swap bielsa for rodgers?

not one of harrys

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28 Sep 2014 09:59:38
Ed01, You to reply.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I would swap almost any manager for Bielsa, and Rodgers would defo be in that bunch. Bielsa is probably the best around for playing attractive football.}

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28 Sep 2014 16:13:11
Rudi Garcia for me. He's doing a great things in Italy!

Puzzled Red

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He is also a complete wacko who says and does what he wants and if he doesn`t get his way, he will just get up in the morning and leave the club in one whiff. In fact, he`s had massive issues w/ the club president at Marseilles to the point that he almost quit hence, I would neve swap him for BR even though he plays attractive footie. I would know Ed, I`m a Marseille fan.

redohio

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Ed I share your admiration for Biesla. He is a tactical genius. He sees things way before anyone else can. Still surprised he hasn't managed Barcelona yet, absolutely perfect for them.

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28 Sep 2014 01:48:13
Markovic needs to bulk up same as Sterling has, he gets pushed off the ball too easily, and he needs to be played in his best position.

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28 Sep 2014 06:42:04
What's his best position? He's always played on d wings for Benfica. Or u mean Sterling should be pushed out wide to play Markovic thru d middle?

Celestyn

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28 Sep 2014 08:04:21
Celstyn

Wasn't Sterling a winger? So where is he playing now.
Markovic should be played through the middle.
That's what happens when you buy raw and not a finished product.

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28 Sep 2014 09:31:57
How many can we play in the middle? Is that not part of our problem getting shut out at home cause we don't stretch teams enough?

Fensh

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28 Sep 2014 09:43:58
Fench

Y not buy some experienced players?

Markovic would need time. Do we have it?

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28 Sep 2014 09:57:49
Personally I would have spent all the Suarez money on Di Maria. Just needed Moreno in addition and a new keeper.

Fensh

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28 Sep 2014 10:28:31
Fensh

Personally I would have bought a world class striker who scores those vital goals on a very bad day.
A relaible and trust worthy name who would bring that fear factor on to the pitch which would help others to play their natural game.

Sterling is being put with huge amount of pressure to make things happen. he would burn out soon.

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What striker would that have been? There are few out there, that are available and would move to us, that fit into your description. What you're after is another Suarez - sadly he is one of a kind.

Seano

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28 Sep 2014 00:18:21
Ballotelli. He put in a shift today yeah, but if it wasn't him no one would mention it. Unlucky with the crossbar chance, slight touch from Howard but it was s difficult chance, even though it was close in! But he's had 4/5 games now and everyone's getting on his back! No way is he the same player that left city. His touch is coming back, he's s few brilliant ones and boy can he strike a ball! Just get that extra yard of pace to find discs and a bit of composure and he'll be firing them in! I think playing with Sturridge might help too, allow a bit more space for him! Still expecting good things!

Fencey   Fencey
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28 Sep 2014 08:05:50
Relying on Sturridge and claiming we ain't a one man team.
Goshhhh. This page would go upside down if Sturridge gets another injury.

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28 Sep 2014 18:07:48
I'm far from convinced mate. He takes 3 or 4 chances to score, and we are not creating that many chances.
I also felt he spent more time on the ground yesterday than he did with the ball at his feet.

WelshBoyDave

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Harsh Dave Balotelli worked real hard and did get himself into dangerous positions countless times - its the first game he's played for us that didn't leave me feeling underwhelmed by his performance: what I hope is that he can improve his performances and maintain a high standard throughout the season. Too early to say whether he will be able to do that though - he has the talent though that's for sure.

Seano

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27 Sep 2014 23:29:43
markovic is only starting because of his price tag. nice to see susos contribution the other night rewarded?

brendans losing credibility with me over the favouritism he shows to certain players

also we need two up top

and i miss mike hooper

randy watson

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Im sure Markovic starts over Suso because he performs better in training and fits the team better on the day. Suso has one decent sub appearance and people are crying out for him as the saviour of our troubles. i'm sure the staff at LFC are much better placed to decide who should be in the starting line up.

Blocked

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28 Sep 2014 08:08:08
Blocked.

He is starting because of his price tag and BR wants to prove his signings have been a hit.
No mattee how much both Suso and Borini scores or assist. they won't start.
I could understand this.

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I like Markovic as a player, but he had to be carried yesterday by others and was peripheral at best, and has been so far. Like I said, he will need a lot of time to see the bets of him.

The real AG

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Harry you're talking nonsense, again. Suso has been given numerous chances over the last few years, in games, on loan and in training.

He's failed to take them. Markovic deserves that chance to prove himself one way or the other.

Walton Red

Ed01{Ed001's Note - what chances? Suso deserves a chance as much as Markovic does. He has never been given a real run of games with us.}

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28 Sep 2014 09:34:09
Walton

Wasn't Suso loaned immediately once he broke into first team?.

Show me a run of 5 game where he was started?. or atleast he made into bench.

And what's this Eggo?. You need to start players who would benefit the team and appropriate for the situations.

So how many has Allen started compared to Suso?

I am not a big Suso lover, But isn't the team comes first?

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Harry, the team does come first, which is why I don't think Suso starts. His workrate is not up there with the likes of Sterling and Henderson.

Also, you are just spouting nonsensical opinions such as 'Markovic is only starting to over Borini to prove Brendan's signings are a hit', Wasn't Borini a Rodger's signing?

Blocked was spot on with his original assessment of the Suso situation.

The chances I talk about, as I stated, include performances in training, which I assume aren't great, or his time at Almeria, in which he very rarely completed ninety minutes, this in a physically inferior league to the Premiership.

I feel that workrate is the issue with Suso, whether that's down to a lack of application in training or just down to physical limitations, I don't know.

Walton Red

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28 Sep 2014 11:02:52
Walton

Fair point mate.

Both Borini and Alllen were BR's signings.

Borini refused a transfer which pissed off BR. 14 mill. He had a replacement in his mind ( another mysterious name ) which couldn't materialize and the transfer committee bought Balletolli instead.

Allen would continue at LFC for a long term and Borini would be off in the very next window.

I have no clue on Suso training or his work rate. You don't need to run around like a chicken if you are skillfull.

No one is claiming Suso is a world beater. If you think He is not good enough, Y is he on the Bench??

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There is so much ambiguity and prevarication about your post Harry, I don't even know how to respond to that!

The real AG

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30 Sep 2014 17:18:38
Having a good work rate and to "run around like a chicken" (headless?) are two very different things, Boom.

Puzzled Red

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27 Sep 2014 23:28:51
Hello! Fellow Reds

Before I begin, I would like to commend most of the supporters who post on this site for keeping things in perspective rather than going crazy like some have and are now saying we are going to finish 7th.

While today's game was really disappointing in terms of the result, but there were a lot of positives like:-

* The defence looked settled for most of the game.

* Lallana and Coutinho both gave good performances.

*Balotelli worked really hard, but he needs to finish better than he has.

Overall, aside for Markovic who clearly needs time to get used to the english game our team gave a decent performance.The team needs to be more clinical and needs to stop dropping to deep and concede goals late in the game.

Now with that aside, I would like everybody to realise that a title challenge is going to be really difficult and getting into the Top 3 or 4 would be great.

Our challengers for these 2 positions are:-

-Arsenal
-Manchester United
-Spurs

While reading some of the posts people are saying 15 points in the bag for us from the next 5 matches.

Before analysing our situation, let's analyse our rivals:-

ARSENAL :-

Current Position-4th (10 points)

Next 5 Fixtures in the BPL:-

Chelsea(a), Hull(H), Sunderland(A), Burnley(H),
Swansea(a)

Chelsea 2-0 Arsenal(Chelsea are too strong for them, Arsenal play Gala mid-week, lot of injuries which were aggravated after the Spurs with Ramsey and Arteta joining the list.)

Arsenal 2-1 Hull(Hull have a decent squad almost got a draw against City, but Arsenal will prevail at The Emirates.)

Sunderland 1-1 Arsenal(Arsenal play Anderlecht away mid week which would take a toll on the squad and Stadium of light is always a difficult place to visit)

Arsenal 2-0 Burnley(Relatively comfortable win at The Emirates)

Swansea 1-0 Arsenal(Anderlecht visit The Emirates mid-week, Swansea are difficult to beat at home and have caused problems to Arsenal in the past.)

Points after 5 games(out of 15):- 7

Total Points after 11 games(out of 33):-17


MANCHESTER UNITED:-

Current Position:- 7th (8 points)

Next 5 fixtures:-

Everton(H), WestBrom(A), Chelsea(H), City(A),
Crystal Palace(H)

United 1-1 Everton(United have a shaky back-line, Rooney misses this game, Falcao RVP Mata start for the first time and Everton will have Coleman back for this game)

WB 1-3 United(United have too much quality for them)

United 0-2 Chelsea(Jose rarely gets anything wrong during the big games, Costa Hazard and Fab vs United's defence only has one winner written all over it)

City 2-1 United(The Etihad, one of the toughest stadium to visit in the PL, rarely teams get points off them unless you're Stoke)

United 3-0 Palace(United at OT will be just too strong for Palace)

Points after 5 games(out of 15 points)-7

Total Points after 11 games(out of 33 points)-15


SPURS:-

Current Position:- 8th (8 points)

Next 5 fixtures :-

Southampton(H), City(A), Newcastle(H), Villa(A),
Stoke City(H)

Spurs 1-1 Southampton(One of the form teams in the league visit The Lane, both sides will be happy with the draw.)

City 2-0 Spurs(City are too good at the Etihad and Spurs are very inconsistent.)

Spurs 2-1 Newcastle(Will have enough for a struggling Newcastle side at home.)

Villa 2-2 Spurs(Villa will have Benteke back for the game and both sides will cancel each other out in midfield.)

Spurs 2-1 Stoke(Tough game for both sides, but Spurs have more quality and playing at home would be enough for them to overcome Villa.)

Points after 5 games(out of 15) - 8

Total Points after 11 games (out of 33)-16


LIVERPOOL:-

Current Position :- 12th (7 points)

Next 5 fixtures:-

WestBrom(H), QPR(A), Hull(H), Newcastle(A), Chelsea(H)

LFC 2-0 WB(Relatively straightforward WB are struggling, we would have Sturridge back in the starting XI.)

QPR 1-3 LFC (Really tricky fixture knowing our history with them, but we have more than enough quality for them.)

LFC 2-1 Hull (Real Madrid visit mid-week, Hull are decent will play for a draw, but At Anfield we should win.)

NEWCASTLE 2-2 LFC (Tough fixture, even though Newcastle are struggling at home they're good enough and we face Swansea mid-week which would take a toll on the squad)

LFC 0-2 CHELSEA(Hate to predict this but we travel to Madrid mid-week, Chelsea are just too good and our back-line would struggle against 2 top teams in one week)

Points after 5 games (out of 15) -10

Total Points after 11 games (out of 33)-17


I might be wrong with most of my predictions and many of wouldn't agree, but as you can see we would be level on points with Arsenal and ahead of United and Spurs after the next 5 games.So I just hope we all support our team through the tough times and not be negative after every bad result like today.

I know this post is really long.Thanks for reading would love to get your views.

Also thanks to the ED's for posting this

Cheers

LFC _1234

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I really don't see the point in doing such precise predictions. At the end of the day all the teams will play all the other teams. I don't think you can give any prediction about us given how inconsistent we are. At least without Sturridge (and who knows when will he be back in the starting 11) we are quite poor in the last third. I am not sure about the other predictions as well. I wasn't very impressed with Everton's defence today (or when they conceded 3 from Palace last week) so I would be surprised if ManU score only one goal against them in OT. let's see us first win more than one game in a row, being able to keep a one goal lead, let alone clean sheet, and not concede in the last 10 minutes, before we can be say anything optimistic about our future this year with confidence.

fanobip

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Thanks for your view fanobip.

LFC _1234

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28 Sep 2014 08:10:23
UTD ll always score with or without injuries. They have a world class forward line.
they are conceding goals courtsey of their defence which would be rectified in Jan.

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Very good.

Rodgers stated last season that we need to average 2 points a game to guarentee top 4. After 11 games you get a feel for a team's (our team) form. Based on your predictions we would be 5 points off Rodgers own target, the same as we are now.

Statto

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28 Sep 2014 08:47:59
LFC_1234

Credit for the long post, But this is desperate attempt to save our own face.
You would have included both Villa and West ham in the list ( Wins ), provided the list was out 2 weeks back. Ryt mate??

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First of all thanks for replying Boom.

Both Villa and West Ham were in decent form but I would have predicted a Home win against Villa and a draw against West Ham.

LFC _1234

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27 Sep 2014 23:23:29
Edd002 any reason lori was never really given a proper chance?

Big Al

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Ilori was simply another bad buy.}

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27 Sep 2014 23:50:43
Thank you ed 2

Kman92

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28 Sep 2014 09:01:53
Ed002. How many more are you anticipating?

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27 Sep 2014 21:51:38
"I really want to apologise to the club, the supporters and every person who felt offended when I left the stadium this afternoon. I'm aware that it was a bad choice from my part to go isolating to watch the game !" - Sakho

Interesting times around here.

RDL

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At least he apologized and he will be dealt with internally. Leave the boy alone.

redohio

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Wasn't aware I was bothering him, redohio.

RDL

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I'd be pissed off too if Skrtel was starting ahead of me.

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Not surprised he is pissed.

The real AG

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Why is anyone surprised?}

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Stormed out when told he wasn't playing, grow up FFS. If certain other players would've done that they'd have been slated on here.

He could've done with staying and watching the game, actually, and he might've seen that it's the most solid we've looked at the back for a good few games.

Walton Red

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The beloved Agger (beloved to many on here) also used to bitch especially under Rafa whenever he got benched. Every player wants to play so not surprised he was pissed at being dropped. Just feel players need to handle theselves better and stop being petulant and childish about it.

redohio

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Being pissed off is fine. Being unprofessional and disrespectful towards the club is not.

Seano

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27 Sep 2014 21:45:20
eds reds is it true sakho stormned out of anfield after being left out of the squad today? thanks

steviep62

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He left early.}

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Would not blame him

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27 Sep 2014 20:11:50
Frustration.
That's the overriding emotion.
Thought we played well and I think overall if you look at the last two games we have improved a little. Not much but a little.
I think we deserved to win today and were unlucky to concede a great goal.
What has nothing to do with luck though is the way we decided to sit on a goal lead in a derby.
We had opportunities to create a second goal and our players literally at times turned around and played keep ball rather than go for the 2nd with 15 minutes to go.
That's really my only beef.
It was a good performance overall.
We have started the season poorly and we are lucky to be only 9 pts off the top.
However what is required is a bit of patience and belief that our manager and players will turn it around.
The old saying goes that you only look to your next game but I think we have reached the stage where we have to win our next 3 league games and hope that brings us a little closer to the top.
Listen, I am an optimistic fan but its clear that this team needs some work before we hopefully start to see the shoots of recovery.
Sturridge's injury has come at a bad time and unlike last year when he carried the goal scoring burden when Suarez was banned he has been badly missed this time around.
What is needed is a bit of realism, this team has potential and has only just been put together but there is no denying that there is lots of improvement needed but with Sturridge returning soon that should help.
The table does not lie though and hopefully the start to the season serves as a kick up the backside of the players that they have to work harder and play smarter.

jonnybarnes89-90

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27 Sep 2014 20:05:19
Mario Balotelli reminds me of Andy Caroll a lot, only that he makes more headlines and has an exotic name.

Celestyn

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27 Sep 2014 22:30:50
Or more because he gets standing ovations whenever he chooses to put in a shift and have a new haircut.

Celestyn

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Where as Lukaku done all!

The Irish Rover

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Or maybe because Balo`s a better fotballer who can strike a dead ball w/ precision and has led his national team to the final of a major tournament while Carroll is a drunk who can`t stay fit to save his own life due to his wasteful lifestyle.

redohio

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Get your brain checked. It's like saying a banana reminds you of the International Space Station.

The real AG

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27 Sep 2014 19:33:42
Why all the negativity?
It took a 'worldy' for them to get a draw they should not have had and if it had stayed 1-0 we would have been saying that this was the performance that was needed.
The performance didn't change just because they scored a goal that probably 99 times out of 100 he hits row 50 or the corner flag.
On top of that we have got City, Chelsea & Everton out of the way from the first round of fixtures and we are STILL only 3 points off of 4th and 4 off of 3rd.
We have the 2nd best striker in the league from last season to return and there were a lot of glimpses today of some of the old attacking verve coming back.
Thought Lallana was MOM today.
Gerrard didn't look too bad considering his 'legs have gone', 'he's too old', 'past it', 'can't play more than a game a week'.

RedAllOverButNotSore

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Must have missed the Chelsea match, how did we do?

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27 Sep 2014 20:09:14
I am disappointed, Coz. Everton were there for taking. They themselves came for a draw and had no shots on target.
We should have dead and buried them in the first half.
2 strikers would have done the job today.

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90 (or more) out of 100 times Gerrard's free kick doesn't go in either. We were better than we have been, but still weren't good enough, simple as.

RDL

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Post of the day

King Brenny

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27 Sep 2014 21:09:05
Sorry, meant Spurs not Chelsea. Easy mistake to make I suppose considering how alike they both are ;-)
Yes Everton were there for the taking, but an equaliser they didn't deserve shouldn't take away from what was a better performance and we are only 3 points off 4th.
We have played two of our supposed rivals for 4th place and have played one of the two favourites for the title.
We are only going to improve.
Look at the last two seasons. It's been from November-January onwards that we've hit top form.
All is not lost.yet

RedAllOverButNotSore

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Regarding why the negativity, I think that if we would have started the season well and taken points from our games with AV and WHU, or if today was our first game, we could have lived with the result, especially as we looked better in many areas (including defensively) and probably for the first time this year we can feel we deserved a better result. However, given all the points that we already lost, we just desperatley need to win these home (or almost any non Chelsea or Man City games).
Also, while we played better in many aspects today, our finish was really poor, and this did not improve from day 1 this year . You may hope that this will improve when Sturridge is back but he is injury prone and without him we don't have enough threat in the final third. Also, Everton, like Spurs played quite an open games. With teams that will close the game and park the bus we will need to be even more clinical and take the 1 or 2 chances that we may have in the game.

fanobip

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Boom, we def need to play with 2 strikers, it's an absolute must, I agree

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27 Sep 2014 21:54:04
Coolie

I am afraid, we won't be without Sturridge, Makes me wonder, y did we ever bring in Lambert and kept Borini?

Those who feel we are one better off last season this time, should get a reality check, Are we going to beat Everton at Goodison?. Would we beat City at home?

No Assurance.

And what if Sturridge gets injured again. When is the next international starting up?

I am sorry 7 points from a possible 18, I can't feel any positive.

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27 Sep 2014 19:04:23
Ay we've started off bad but much better performance today and while I highly doubt we will be challenging for the title we're basically level with the main top four threat of Everton arsenal spurs and United. Next 5 games are easier on paper and 12+ points from them and we'll most likely be ahead of these four.

So what's with the over reactions? If arsenal spurs and United had won all their games there may be need for panic but I've seen nothing to suggest we're not as good as these playing badly I might add.

And teams like villa Southampton won't sustain it over a full season I can guarantee it!

So let's get behind the team in the next 5 games hopefully have sturridge get some game time on Tuesday and we'll be laughing! Then just get ballotelli one prem goal at the kop end and he could go on a streak he did everything bar score today and he is still getting chances so he will score, just need time.

Bottom line lads chin up still plenty to play for and plenty better days ahead!

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Agree, better performance, and really, we were never troubled by Everton throughout the game.

I'm hoping we built on this performance when we play next in the league and get a win.

The real AG

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