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23 Oct 2014 13:10:25
Idea for a poll question Eds

Would finishing 3rd in the Champions League group be worse than finishing 4th?

bit pessimistic I know, but I wonder what people would think?

RedDawn

Ed01{Ed001's Note - cheers added that for a poll of the day, probably tomorrow.}

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23 Oct 2014 13:06:27
FSG will remove Rodgers if they don't get Top 4

JPW1979

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23 Oct 2014 11:05:50
Ed2, you said earlier "Rodgers commitments about winning the EPL and challenging for the Champions League are far from the truth"

1) Why is that? Is it because he does not care anymore? If that is a case then maybe he believes his time is running out with us and expects to be sacked or wants to quit and move to Spain sooner rather than later?

2) What are BR relations with the owners right now? Is he on the borrowed time? I think they try to stay away from getting involved in his football coaching methods but in my opinion they have to act quickly to sort this mess out before it is too late. And I am not talking about sacking him, it is more to do with insisting on someone who would look at things from a different perspective (but maybe he is too stubborn to listen?)

I would appreciate your view on that, thank you.

PolishRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - (1) It won't be for the lack of caring, it is the outcome of poor decision making in the transfer market, results not being good enough etc.. His statement about wanting to manage in Spain this week was at the least badly times but in my view just stupid. (2) I don't know what the relationship is right now and JWH avoids discussion about Liverpool in interviews as much as he can. They will no doubt be considering how to turn things around as there are very serious financial implications.}

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23 Oct 2014 12:55:37
So assuming very little improvement from now on in the CL in terms of performance, what is best for us you think - finishing 2nd in the group (still possible especially given the result in the other game yesterday) and probably being knocked out brutally in the last 16, finishing 3rd and going to the Europa league in which, if we improve dramatically, can still be contenders (and the prize for the winner other than a nice trophy is automatic qualification for the CL next year where we hopefully can be more up to standard) or finishing 4th and being able to focus on the league and domestic cups.

fanobip

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23 Oct 2014 13:03:50
I firmly believe that the Europa Cup is, bang for buck, the hardest competition in World Football. Every team is so well matched as soon as the group stages are over, almost none of the teams in there have the resources to properly manage a European campaign and it is so, so many games. I'd rather be 4th than 3rd and focus on the league, as sad as that is. Of course the best case scenario is qualifying second

hjikle

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We won't win the Europa so rule that out.
Finish second in CL and you never know.
2005, we struggled against some Austrian joiners in the qualifiers, then we needed 3 goals in the second half against Olympiakos with Mellor and Sinama-Pongolle up front in the last group game to finish second.
We would get a lot of confidence from getting into the last 16, then there is a long break away from Europe when a lot can change.
I'd rather finish 4th than 3rd in the group. We won't win the Europa, there are too many games and we'd have more chance finishing 4th in the premiership if you take Europe out.

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23 Oct 2014 12:36:35
We all know that if we defend like last night and Sunday then Hull are going to have field day on Saturday. They'll swing crosses in and Lovren and Skrtel will be useless. So would you drop either of those and play Toure or go with a 3-5-2 system? More of a presence at the back where hopefully Toure can provide us with some leadership and give Mario a role up front he is more comfortable/confident with?

RedArchie

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23 Oct 2014 13:04:35
I've wanted to play Toure for a while. The only person still being a leader at the back when he plays, and Mingolet looked at his best behind him

hjikle

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I would start with Toure and Lovren. Manquillo in for Johnson. Can for Gerrard with Henderson and Lallana either side of him. Coutinho and Sterling either side of Lambert. I think he would do great holding it up giving that midfield 5 time to join him.

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23 Oct 2014 12:06:10
Ed001, do you know of any definitive changes in tactics that Rodgers has enforced on the team this season from last season? Or were we just bailed out by our efficiency in front of the net?

Cheers

ToonRed

Ed01{Ed001's Note - they are obvious to see. The team have gone from swift attacks to aiming to keep possession. They have gone from a high press to a drop and fill spaces defensive system. I can only think that he felt we suffered at the end of last season from a lack of energy and that was what caused our end of season collapse. Personally I would have thought that all the new additions would have allowed him to rotate players to stop that happening anyway.}

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Surely Rodgers will soon realise that we are more effective with a high pressing system?

In terms of a 'to-do' list, what would be on there for you Ed?

Personally, I think our squad needs trimming, we revert back to last years tactics whilst somehow learning to defend set pieces, find a defensive coach and a new keeper.

Cheers

ToonRed

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If Brendan is worried about a burnout in the last few games when we are only 8 games into the season he is a moron!

I do't care if we crumble in the last few games, hell, i don't care if we lose the last 6 games without scoring, if we are secured a top 4 finish before then it is job done!

I just don't understand why you change a winning formula, beggars belief!

RedDawn

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23 Oct 2014 12:05:44
OK Mr Rodgers it's time to stop the poor performances. Change things up as what we have isn't working. We lost 1 player who was world class, but had he stayed wouldn't of been playing, so why has the rhythm, free flowing & flair of the team gone from last year? Surely 1 player didn't do it all. 1st & foremost get out there & hire a very good defensive coach to sort out the shambles change them as it isn't working. 2nd the Ballotelli gamble isn't working, give Lambert a run out Though not a Borini fan, a run too. Sturridge is not the saviour.
3rd, I think Stevie G's confidence has suffered since last season's slip, showed in the world cup & since, maybe it's time for to start giving the like's of Can & Lucas more game time, save him for a 2nd half run out playing further up front.
But do something as we as supporters can see the problems.
But do some thing.
I'm still backing the manager & team to turn thing's around but realistically if we finish to 6 I think it will be a good season.
YNWA

canadianscouse

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23 Oct 2014 12:44:12
finishing 5th or 6th is a disastrous season, it completely negates all the work done and all the money spent over the last couple of years. It would render the Rodgers era pointless, as we will have advanced nowhere since he came in if 5th or 6th is the outcome.

Champions league is an absolute must and if BR lasts till the end of the season (at this point, rather unlikely) then a finish of 5th or 6th will result in sacking anyway

JLPred

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He`d better get started because time will start running out for him.

redohio

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23 Oct 2014 11:38:46
Well, at least Brendan will have plenty of time to work on his Spanish. The way he was going on about that before the game, I thought he was going to sign his contract with Real at half-time.

The real AG

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AG, what's wrong with you lately? I can feel your hate towards BR, but does he not deserve time to put things right?

The way I see it is this. He set himself a high standard with what we achieved last season and any thing less would put him under great pressure, but we know he is a good manager and he is in unknown territory at the moment. He will make mistakes, but he will get it right in time.

Red Rum

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Do real need a new kit man?

I doubt they will be offering him any other job after last night.

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23 Oct 2014 12:45:56
Red-Rum

Hes had two years and four months

Is that not ample time?

Protecting him by saying he brought us from 7th to 2nd is redundant as he's taking us straight back to 7th

JLPred

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We`re 5th w/ a home game v Hull on Sat so if we somehow win, we`ll be fine for a few more games. As for last night, RM were better and deserved to win. We played well for 20mins BUT their quality showed so no qualms there. BUT he better start sorting out the issues or the results won`t b enuff to save his job, IMO.

redohio

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23 Oct 2014 11:06:39
Good morning everyone, to start I am not upset at yesterday's result because i thought everybody played alright except for Balotelli who was rubbish.

I am very concerned about balotelli he looked out of his depth and could not score to save his life he does not help pressing and just stands about, and looks uninterested.

We have to make a priority at the moment to find a striker, this is a pressing issue because we are creating chances but there is no one to put the ball in the net.

It is vital at this critical stage to back the team and the manager, but Balotelli needs sorting out quick.

Ed002 was correct in that balotelli is not who we need and the money was not spent in the right way.

hibsylfc

Ed01{Ed001's Note - seriously? You only saw Balotelli play poor last night? Did you not notice how the defence played? Or the way the midfield allowed runners to go past them all night long? The whole team was poor, it was a poor team defence.}

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23 Oct 2014 11:17:45
Have to say take the blinkers off ed is right we seem to be all over the place at the moment just like the last 3 times we come 2nd in the premiership it's not built on properly and if Brendan can't get this sorted soon we will be out of everything soon the whole spine of the team is out of form.ck, cbs, midfie, c.f.

Tommy Irish Red

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Agree with ED here. Personally i felt it was one of Marios better 45 minutes in a Liverpool shirt (still not up to the standard we would like yet). But the way the media has jumped on the half time shirt swap incident makes me sick - Pepe asked for the swap not the other way round.

All it's done is deflect the attention away from our abysmal defence and the fact we continue to concede sloppy goals continuously. That third goal was comical to say the least.

No harm in getting beat by Madrid but boy did we make it easy for them at times.

Brendan has his work cut out this season - he should concentrate on the league.

Jassi

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Balotelli was crap and the defence was crap. simple as that!

Red Rum

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All those going on about Mario are right he is not good enough but he is not the biggest problem we have, the defence is and until that is sorted we are always going to struggle.

Red Rich

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Can't defend Mario after the shirt swap.
Do you think any of the team at Istanbul in 2005 swapped shirts at half time?
You have to earn the right to wear that shirt and if you are happy to let it go so easily at half time in a match it shows you don't give a toss.
For that incident I'd be on the phone to his agent and tell him to start looking for another club for Mario.
It shows a complete lack of desire and lack of respect to the clubs fans.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - for me it is a sackable offence. It shows complete disrespect to the club and the fans who paid to see him stroll around the pitch putting little effort in each week.}

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23 Oct 2014 10:58:34
Awful at the back again last night, not one clean sheet in 18 games! I think that by changing Mingolet (who is getting worse by the week) for Jones we will instantly remove the biggest issue. SM gives our defensive players no confidence at all, panic has set in and it's getting worse. He game has gone to bits, can't kick well, can't position himself properly, doesn't anticipate at all, and is horrendous at crosses of any sort. Jones I believe will at least be better for now and remove the air of panic we currently have. Johnson just has to go, this guy can't defend at all. swap him for Manquillo and ask the boys at the back to be a little less keen to bomb forward for a couple games. We should have enough up front (less Balotelli) to create chances without leaving ourselves open.
Maybe just maybe we can get a couple clean sheets and pick up a couple wins, confidence will rise and we can move forward, at the moment we are going backwards fast!

Mr Chump

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The defenders are all low on confidence and the defending is non-existent. Maybe what is needed is to take out a couple of those players and give some others such as Toure, Jones and Manquilio a go, atleast until other can recover.

The real AG

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Just give Sakho a run ahead of Lovren. Sakho can be awkward on the ball but his job is to defend and from what I've seen, he can do that well. Lovren's decision making and the way he wants to get first to every ball baffles me - some amateur stuff from him this season. As for Mignolet, we have to stick with him I guess.

On another note I thought Emre showed us a glimpse of what he's about last night.

Jassi

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23 Oct 2014 10:50:24
I think people need to get this into perspective, yes we lost, but it was real madrid. They are an incredible team and were brilliant in possession yesterday. I know it's disappointing, especially with all the hype pre-match, but sometimes you have to just step back and realize that you've been beaten by a better team. We were all hoping for a result, but you shouldn't have been expecting one.

The Shrewsbury Red

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I wasn't expecting a result, But I NEVER expect to be embarrassed by anyone at Anfield.

Bram

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This is the kind of attitude our players showed last night: They are Real, let's forget trying to win a game.

The real AG

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23 Oct 2014 11:08:14
To be fair i wasnt hedging my bets on a result but i certainly expecting a good performance but unfortunatley certain re offenders let us down again. Main offenders being Johnson, Mingolet and balo-i-play-for-myself!

Big Al T

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AG I thought we played well and looked like our team from last season up until they got the first goal. Balotelli was shocking though and really slowed the game down when in possession.

Red Rum

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They were average, on average. What irritated me was the lack of steel and robustness in midfield. Ronaldo and co. easily got behind a passive midfield who were chasing shadows the whole game. They should have put a couple of strong challenges in, at least to show they mean business.

The real AG

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Red Rum - maybe in midfield but not going forward. We never looked like scoring, not in the first 20 mins and not at any other time. And it is not just Balo. The players who take the ball forward just don't know what to do with it. There is hardly any movement, no wing play and no crossing, people dribble themselves to death or giving poor passes trying to go beyond 4 defenders on the ground. Last year we already won many games after 25 minutes. This year I don't think we scored more than 3-4 first half goals in all our games.

fanobip

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Yes I agree fanobip, but let's say for instance we had Sturridge playing instead of Balo. Would Sturridge have put Sterling through when Balo had the opportunity? Would Sturridge be making runs in behind and have that pace and trickery to make things happen. If sturridge got forced out wide would he know how to be effective from that position? The answer is yes to all 3.

Balo doesn't offer creativity, pace or an end product. Should we play to his strengths and lump the ball in the box? It didn't work with Carroll and that's why we sold him. He is why we aren't creating a threat going forward and the sooner BR figures this out the better.

As for the defense, we were shambolic. I hope BR starts to play Toure and Sakho from now on, but I can't see it tbh.

Red Rum

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Don't think we were embarrassed at all, before that first goal I thought we were on top, and again in parts of the 2nd half. Thought Mignolet was decent and made some good saves, johnson wasn't great, but definitely not as bad as people are making out. Balotelli was very poor, but I don't think sterling should play up front. Give Lambert a good run till Christmas, then look at bringing in another striker in the next window.

The Shrewsbury Red

Ed01{Ed001's Note - in parts of the second half? You mean when they had the game won and were just playing out time we managed to look good? Wow, so impressive!}

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Last night was a free game. No-one expected a result last night so there was zero pressure on the players.
It was a fabulous opportunity to show what you can do and all the players let themselves down.

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23 Oct 2014 10:49:57
I may get slated for saying this but I'm of the opinion Brendan's ambition to play football was probably the reason we lost last night. Over commitment from our wing backs and midfielders and too much intricate passing, its apparent we tried to play them at their own game. That isn't going to work as Real Madrid are better than us, & probably most teams in Europe at playing the game in this way. My opinion is we should have started the game with a flat four at the back, Johnson and Moreno need to stay in position, a deep flat four in midfield with in my opinion Henderson playing deep wide right, lallana playing deep wide left with Lucas & Gerrard playing in the middle who both have Champions League experience. I would have played Coutinho just in front and Sterling up top on his own. Might sound slightly negative but there is more control in the midfield and defence & a greater physical aspect in the midfield. I am all for positive attacking football but it has to be implied in the right games. I admire Rodgers for the positive team he put out and has shown signs of being a good manager but the signs of a great manager is someone who will revert from the philosophy from time to time based on the team your up against. he's young though as is our squad and the lessons taken from playing the best team in the world are invaluable! Only my opinion anyway

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Can't imagine Rodger Learning a lesson.
I think someone might need to explain it to him.

Bram

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Good post Anfield Apple. We cannot play the same way against every team out there, Madrid are a class above right now and picked us off with ease. Even last season against Chelsea, BR was a little naive. He has to be prepared to play a different way according to certain opposition but with a defence like ours what can we do?

Jassi

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23 Oct 2014 10:41:11
The only players who particularly dissapointed me last night were Markovic, Johnson and Balotelli. I thought everyone else played pretty well and we just got beaten by a better team. Also thought our tactics were better. We pressed much higher. It wasn't perfect, but it was a step in the right direction.

We need to sort out our defending from crosses though!

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So you didn't see Skrtel tackling imaginary players and setting a record for back-tracking?

The real AG

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23 Oct 2014 10:35:34
On another note, Dortmund have arguably sold some of their best talent over the past seasons but Klopp still has them replaced with gooduns and they play good football, and win most games.
Soton sold half the first team didn't they but Koemans bought well and has them playing at a good tempo at present.
So I would put what's going wrong at LFC firmly at BR`s feet i'm afraid, and the excuses that he comes up with are now laughable.
To quote I think Clint Eastwood in dirty harry, EVERY MAN HAS TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS,
I think BR has surpassed his and failed.
FSG must be cringing, we will be lucky to achieve CL next season at this rate, and we will never win the PL with this set up.

Scouse pride

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I would agree that there are plenty of excellent young managers around and that what BR has done with LFC has been exaggerated by the supporters.

The real AG

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23 Oct 2014 11:16:14
I'm not sure you can say they win most games when they are fourteenth in the league this season and have only won 2 out of 8, losing 5

Yes they've been brilliant in Europe, but dismal at home

JLPred

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23 Oct 2014 10:18:26
A whole new team that is struggling to bed in.
.Oh wait, Skrtel and Johnson have been much of the problem for years.
BR identified Mignolet as a weak link in the summer - can't believe he didn't replace him! Let Pepe go instead?!
Sahko and Lovren bought (and the rest) but Skrtel still starts?! Yeah, get rid of Agger?!
Talk of getting wages off the books why on earth is GJ still collecting £?

Mignolet needs help, Balo has never been a lone striker etc etc
But GJ and Skrtel are a joke that I'm getting very tired of.
I don't blame managers for making mistakes, I blame them for not identifying obvious issues.

I'll stand behind BR until the next team sheet is announced.

Bram

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How can you stand by a man who knows/ identifies a problem but does jack rubbish to resolve it?
If in any other workplace/organization that was happening on a weekly basis the owners would bin him off pronto.

Scouse pride

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23 Oct 2014 10:16:14
Just like to say good luck to liverpool striker divock origi tonight.

Tommy Irish Red

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23 Oct 2014 10:10:28
it seems that fans are giving up, I don't blame them, i'm leaning towards giving up as well. just when you think the club has learned from the past it seems it hasn't. is this what's going to be happening with our club now? every time we finish second the next year is going to be 7th?

maybe we should accept the fact that we cannot compete with the big guns anymore. just like Ed002 said, when discussions among clubs are held about a breakaway league, we are not involved. perhaps they know more that us fans

STEPH1

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Its just miss management at the highest level.
Im confused at how FSG have not responded yet.
Dortmund are as good a business model you will see in Football these days.
Nearly broke, employ a good forward thinking manager who delivers.
Play great attacking football, keep 80k+ fans happy, sell most of your stars season after season, replace with cheaper versions who can play at high level and turn out to be just as good.
Do well in their respective league, always seem to do well in Europe now.
Were did it all go wrong Brenda?

Scouse pride

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23 Oct 2014 11:19:01
People keep using Dortmund as a good example

They are 14th, 2 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses.

JLPred

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23 Oct 2014 10:04:47
Liverpool need to sit back and play a nice counter-attacking game.

This defence needs confidence and I don't see any other alternative as they will always concede as they are.

Back to basics without the Italian.

DaveyBootle

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23 Oct 2014 10:13:04
Sit back and invite pressure onto our calamitous defence and expect no goals?

JLPred

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Not a 'calamitous' defence when you have many behind a ball, is it?

DaveyBootle

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter how many we have behind the ball if they are all stood around watching like they were while Traore was ball juggling with his head in the penalty box. We are already sitting back and teams are ripping them to shreds because no one was doing anything.}

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Our defenders are man watchers with lead boots because I don't see any of them look at the ball and jump to clear it when crossed.

Scouse pride

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It does matter. There is no-one on the bench to improve the defence.

Morale is low and this all out attack attitude will simply continue to expose them.

We need to keep it tight, and that includes all players and win the way we did throughout the decades.

Let us start expressing ourselves after we've got the fundamentals of defending on track.

If we win by a goal, in the last five minutes for example, then so be it.

DaveyBootle

Ed01{Ed001's Note - what all out attack attitude?}

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Ed 1, the reason is that an attacking mentality has been instilled in the players, and is not necessarily a good thing considering the circumstances.

Chelsea were slated for playing a similar defensive game last season yet it nearly paid off.

I'm all for the action and goals but it won't work at the moment.

The players are 'flat footed' as morale is low. They know they're shabite at the moment, and it clearly shows on the pitch.

We all know the cheesy cliché of building-from-the-back, and unfortunately, we have to start again - quickly!

DaveyBootle

Ed01{Ed001's Note - attacking mentality? What on earth? They are dropping deep and defending deep, what is attacking about that? The attacking mentality has been thrown out, for reasons only Rodgers can explain.}

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The all out attack attitude that scored as many goals as it did last season.

Only difference is is that we've signed strikers that don't run.

DaveyBootle

Ed01{Ed001's Note - that was last season. It has not been there this season at all.}

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Ok.

Name me (apart from our two centre backs and Lucas (who doesn't really play), out-and-out defensive minded players?

Everything that runs through midfield is attack minded.

Stevie still hasn't learned his new role.

The problem is, we are attack minded, but when we require our players to defend, we crumble because we're creating a squad of attacking players who don't know what to do.

None of our players in front of the two centre-backs are true defenders. Johnson can't defend, the two Spanish lads love to bomb it forward but are young and need experience, Lucas doesn't get game time, Caan is young and needs to adjust Gerrard still doesn't know his role, Henderson has been encouraged by Brendan to get forward more, Stirling is now playing as a striker at times, Coutinho will never tackle, Llalana creates etc etc, and all this with the signing of forwards who don't make the runs.

We are bound to be exposed and concede goals.

A lack of confidence is contributing to our defensive frailties yet it's the defenders themselves who are exposed as a consequence of inappropriate signings.

We need a consistent team with Lucas playing more game time, and the wing-backs to play as a flat back four.

DaveyBootle

Ed01{Ed001's Note - so what you are saying is that Rodgers is not suiting the players to the roles he is asking them to do? Only he is not asking them to go out there and attack while completely forgetting their defensive duties.}

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Agree with Ed, there is no attacking attitude this season unless you are talking about the opponents attacking our defence.
Without Suarez, opponents have the confidence to attack us because they have no fear. When we had Suarez we had the confidence to attack. We basically said "we will outscore you because we have Suarez and Sturridge".
That was our tactic last season and it damned near worked.
That's why Mario was the wrong signing. We needed a pacey, hard working tricky replacement, like Alexis Sanchez.
Counter attacking football? No thanks. We tried that with GED and Hodgson. Boring football with no better results.
We need to do a lot of work with the team about positioning when the opponents have the ball. We need a decent goal keeper. We need to work on our set piece defending. Brendan needs to tell his full backs that they need to defend and then attack when it's appropriate.

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23 Oct 2014 10:00:23
What a strange position the club is in! Twelve incredulously poor matches played and still in contention in four competitions. 1)Premier League - The first four places are important and we are 5th on goal difference. It would be nice to be Champions but these days that is merely a bonus and has only a slight advantage on the team finishing 4th. 2) F.A.Cup - The best case scenario at the moment is a Home match kicking off at Anfield at 3pm on 3rd January. 3) We have a Home tie with Swansea City next Tuesday. 4) Champions League - There is no doubt about the number one in our group but if we beat the other two teams we will join Real in the Last 32. We only have one really big problem at the moment and that is that we have too many problems! I think that it is about time that Rodgers started throwing a few hair-dryers around. If Mignolet is not going to be good enough in January he is not good enough now (and he isn't!). If Brad Jones is not a good replacement then Danny Ward should be given a chance to be the first home-developed player to appear since the "Flying Pig" in 1962 - over FIFTY years ago. I can't think of a good word to describe Glen Johnson (actually I can!). I think Martin Skrtel is the first name on the team-sheet, it should be the first name on the bench. I know we gave Jordan Henderson a few years to develop (successfully) but it is a luxury we can't afford with Joe Allen. We all take gambles in life and often fail but there is no life whatsoever in Mario Balotelli . Philipe Countinho hit the post last evening and we could all see the frustration etched on his face. Balotelli had only one expression and it is disinterest. All good things come to an end and as I am now over seventy one of the best of those things is not as good as it used to be. Sometimes it works and sometimes it's just hard work and all that describes Steven Gerrard. He has had his day and I think that it's time for him to spend more time on the bench. We all know that this Liverpool team is basically a good team and let's face it it took a really magical goal to open us up against Real but once open we could (and should) have conceded more. The players step on to the pitch knowing that they are going to conced at least one goal so why bother with a defensive approach. We don't need DMs we need AMs who can score goals. Let's get rid of the previously named rubbish (SG excused) in January and give a chance to the other players that we have bought like Lallana, Can and Manquillo, and let's also look at some of the younger players that we have - those that managed to beat Real Madrid yesterday. I believe that it will all come good but it is so frustrating waiting for things to get better.

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Salim

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23 Oct 2014 09:46:57
Saw jamie carragher was talking about balotelli futre and he said i don't think he will be here next season what's your view ed

lfcleee

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The same as the day Liverpool signed him. It will all end in tears. The good things to come out of last night is (a) the result of the other game which really helps LFC out, and (b) it must now be crystal clear to the owners that Rodgers commitments about winning the EPL and challenging for the Champions League are far from the truth. They need to act to help resolve this.

The bad things are Rodgers washing the dirty linen in public yet again over Sterling and Balotelli. Rodgers telling the world how good Real Madrid are. Rodgers saying that Liverpool are a "young side". I could go on, but won't.

As I have suggested before, FSG need someone independent to look at coaching techniques and man-management issues. And the take it from there.}

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Whoever sanctioned the purchase of Balo needs the tin tack.
Id sooner of had Remy with the heart bypass for 8 mil all day long.
FSG should write and title a book on how to waste millions, employ BR and his staff.

Scouse pride

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23 Oct 2014 11:11:58
In response to the editor's comment, if coaching techniques and man-management issues were removed from the manager's hands, it doesn't appear to leave him with a lot all else to do.

Grabgooglesgoogles

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23 Oct 2014 11:38:18
Ed002 hope you are well. Would you keep Br or not, and what would be a priority now in the team for you to change or sell?

hibsylfc

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I think he needs help in terms of an experienced general manager or director of football. I would look to have someone come in overseeing the footballing side of the club, I would have the coaching side independently assessed and changed as necessary, I would look at the way transfers are carried out, I would have someone work the man management side including talking to all of the loanees about their future. Anyone not committed to the club for whatever reason (and I suspect Rodgers has created a number of them) should be moved on as soon as possible. The gaps should be assessed, minimum changes should be made, the playing side settled and moved on.

From the outside it looks a mess. Rodgers has to stop with repeatedly talking with the press - but I have said before, he is always good for a statement and the press will feed off that.}

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23 Oct 2014 09:45:32
My main concerns are:
1) Defending set pieces.
2) Lack of a goalscorer.
3) The goalkeeper.

Last night would have suited Toure and Sakho. We conceded 2 goals by not dealing with set pieces. Skrtel and Lovren are not aggressive enough to dominate and attack the ball. To fix this we need to start playing Toure and Sakho.

Up front we haven't got a goalscorer. Balotelli is a selfish player who doesn't play for the team. It's ok being selfish if you have the ability to create something. Look at Hazard the other night, the pundits mentioned how greedy he was but he backed himself up by creating and scoring goals. Sturridge and Suarez last season also proved that they can back up their greediness. Balotelli just hasn't got the ability to warrant his greediness and needs to be dropped. If we are going to rely on our midfielders for goals we need to put someone in who can hold the ball up and create chances for them. Lambert did this excellently for Southampton last season and is more worthy of a starting place than Balotelli.

Finally, despite some good saves, Mignolet has been awful. His distribution makes me cringe and he doesn't have any sense of when to hit it long or play out from the back, nor does he dominate his area. Get Brad Jones in until January, He can't do any worse.

Red Rum

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My main concern is: Defending all over, not just set-pieces.

The real AG

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23 Oct 2014 09:41:18
Despite being unhappy with the situation, I still would be sad if Rodgers get the sack. Just when it looked like we will finally be enjoying some managerial stability, he is proving us wrong. I really hope he turns it around & gets us into top 4. No point aiming for the title or CL knockout stages.

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Managerial stability is a bit overrated in my view. Look at Chelsea, few PL teams have swapped more managers than them in the last 10 years, did them no wrong. Same with Man City. Of course no point in sacking a manager who lost the plot just in order to bring another average one. And of course a change of managers is not always helpful. But if I am the owners and I know there is a top class manager available, Klopp or the kind (which I am not sure there is) I wouldn't think twice. After the first two consecutive wins, no one will remember or care that you switched managers. And managers who are doing poorly and aren't able to improve their team over 2-3 months very rarely are able to do it later.

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23 Oct 2014 10:16:51
I rather think klopp would be interested at the moment, his dortmund team can't put 1 and 1 together at the moment in the league

JLPred

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Thank god you are not the owner.

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23 Oct 2014 08:57:16
Ed01 do you think a vocal keeper with good organisation ability would sort out a lot of defensive problems or is the problem much more than that?

heisenberg

Ed01{Ed001's Note - much more than that I am afraid. That would help, but that wouldn't change the clueless set up and defending from set pieces.}

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A new keeper is a start. Then we need to replace Gerrard with an actual holding midfielder. Then we need to stop making two of the slowest centre backs in the league split wide. Then we need to stop telling the full backs to push so high. Then finally we need to ask the midfield to press higher and pull our defensive line 20 yards further up. Arguably, if that happens, we need to replace Skrtel and Lovren with quicker centre backs. That Sakho and Ilori look good. We should buy them.

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I agree with most of that EMS. A lot of us recognized that we needed a defensive midfielder and a keeper in summer, but obviously the club didn't think it was necessary. I think Lovren will come good but I'd play Sakho ahead of him without a doubt. I also think we need a goalscorer to compete with Sturridge in January.

Red Rum

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It's incredible how many armchair world class football coaches we have on this site. The funny thing is that most like EMS spent the whole of last season waxing lyrical about BR and you couldn't prise their rose tints off. Talk about fair weather fans.

NRed

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Because last season Rodgers tactics were working. He has completely let things slip to to his own arrogance and complacency.

Anyway, if you'd read my posts properly last season you'd still have seen how critical I was of our defensive set up. My opinion hasn't changed at all so it's hardly fickle. Last season, we were good enough going forward to accept a bit of dodgy defending. This season we're average all over the pitch and it's not down to individual ability!

I think Rodgers can and will fix this if we give him time. I just don't think the owners will afford him that liberty unless things improve very soon.

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Oh and by the way NRed, you don't have to be a pro manager to understand football basics and see where a team is going wrong. The skill in management is deciding how to fix a problem and translating that onto the pitch. Spotting the issues is childs play.

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What would of been a good shout for me was keeping Agger and turning him into the DM role.
Reasonable defender, good ball player and not the slowest over 10 yards.
Just a thought

Scouse pride

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Spotting the issue is child's play! You're wasted on here EMS you should be getting your CV in to Birmingham City they are looking for a new manager.

NRed

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Give it a rest NRed. There is nothing wrong his assessment.

Red Rum

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23 Oct 2014 08:40:09
Lets all forget about last night and concentrate on the next game which is hull, I believe we need to take the pressure of balo a bit by not playing him against hull and maybe starting him in the cup.

I would definitely want to try both lambert and borini. Lambert is a goof player and needs to be played, he got lots of goals and assists last season and all he needs is playing time.

I would play last seasons diamond midfield with gerrard hendo, allen and sterling up top with borini and lambert as the strikers,

Also suso needs to play, he has the quality he needs games.

PakRed

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No Coutinho? For me he was our best player last night and should be started for the next game.

Red Rum

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Yes that is a bit tricky as i believe lallana and couthino both did well over the last few games and warrant a starting place.

Maybe drop one of the strikers for one of the above but i don't know i just want us to play with two uptop.

Maybe couthino for allen? but you have to remember that last season apart from the sas we won that stretch of 14 games with the midfield diamond of gerrard-hendo-allen with sterling on tip of the diamond

PakRed

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Suso I believe, is injured.

Kaizer

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I think it's probably best to go on current form rather than last season's but I know what you mean. I would definitely have Lambert in there though, as he is unselfish and will create chances for our midfielders. It seems we are going to have to rely heavily on our midfielders until Sturridge returns.

Red Rum

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The Hull game actually frightens me the way we are at mo.

Scouse pride

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Borini won't be starting, BR wants him gone along with Suso, Sakho and Lucas.

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23 Oct 2014 06:49:12
Ed002, I know you don't like to discuss money, but could you tell me how much more it would have cost to keep Origi from the summer? (Not that I'm jumping on the Balotelli hate bandwagon, I just don't really see it working out.)

Ed02{Ed002's Note - There is no amount "more" as part of the deal was always going to be him staying at Lille this season. Add to that he is young and unproven at this level, I cannot see him being immediately ready for the first team.}

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23 Oct 2014 08:19:52
Hi eds and reds - do people here honestly think BR can turn things around still (both our defence and going forward and I really am not sure which one is worse, we are so awful in both departments)? It is not a rhetoric question, I am interested to hear if people think that it is possible and how and when in the past managers whose team were consistently so poor for 2-3 months dramatically changed things. I admit I don't see it happens, not even with Sturridge whenever he is back.

fanobip

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23 Oct 2014 08:49:42
Rodgers can do it by going back to the system we used last year, go for the jugular in every game. Will Rodgers do that? No, not in my opinion. I'm losing patience very quickly with him as he has not fixed some of the pretty obvious (even to me) problems that we have. FSG need to be ruthless here, a complete overhaul of staff is needed if Rodgers continues to be stubborn about his tactics that just don't work. The problem they have is, who's available? I'd move heaven and earth to bring Klopp or Simeone in and I know that Ed001 would do the same for Bielsa (whom I know little about in all honesty). Would they come to us though?

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He can and IA will get it right. We have to trust the manager

PakRed

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Here's my response to this question:

It depends on how patient the board are. History would suggest 'not very' after the culling of 2011.
He is going to need time. We all know the defence is garbage. The best defensive coaches of all time could not turn it around overnight. I see no merit in repeating the mantra game after game.
Up front I think we are struggling with a complete lack of confidence and new players. It is hard for new players to settle in to a team lacking in confidence and trying to change it's 'identity'.
Next I come to Mario. I'm disgusted at his antics last night, swapping shirts at half time. When we were linked to his signing I said he won't fit in to our team ethic. Last season we were a team of battlers everyone giving 100# from the first whistle. Mario is a great player but he is like a queen bee. He sends his worker bees out to do his work for him. That doesn't fit our identity last season. I think if it's a question of someone going then it should be Mario, not Brendan.
So back to the manager: whenever things start to go wrong and the knives come out, the most popular tactic is to lay in to the manager's signings. However, this "transfer committee" muddies the water in my opinion. I don't think Rodgers really wanted Mario, before he'd kicked a ball he was saying it was a risk and weeks earlier he had said Mario will not be signing for LFC.
This season is a rebuild. We have taken a huge step back. Sack the manager and we will take another huge step back. At the moment, we are level with 4th place in the premier league and level with 2nd place in the champions league group. Act in haste and repent at leisure. Now is not the time to panic. Brendan needs time but we are still keeping our heads above water.

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I see a dramatic improvement when Sturridge is back, which isn't difficult to be fair. Offensively his movement and pace occupies defenders and will give our midfield more options on the ball.
I'd like to see him and Balo given a chance together up top.
We simply can't defend so we need to be as offensive as possible!
In answer to your question, I do think BR can turn it around offensively, but defensively I don't think he can. So the question is, will this be good enough?
I hope it will be enough to get into top 4 this year.
If he does then I hope he's given some help as I wouldn't expect us to next year based utd's spending.

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I agree, Managers are constantly blamed when teams don't perform. Can BR be blamed for Mario hoofing the ball over an empty goal for instance? What managers can be blamed for is poor tactical choices and team selections. It's difficult to even know if we can blame BR for some of the summer signings. We all know Sanchez was the preference but we ended up with Balo. But what of the other signings over the past 4 windows? People say there's 1 success, Sturridge. I say 2, Coutinho. All the rest? Time will tell with Can, Moreno, Lallana and Lovren I suppose, but you have to put a X next to Borini, Alberto, Mignolet, Aspas etc etc. I just worry that if BR/ the committee identify a player in Jan that we need, the owners may baulk at forking out more cash, can't blame em'.

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Despite being unhappy with the situation, I still would be sad if Rodgers get the sack. Just when it looked like we will finally be enjoying some managerial stability, he is proving us wrong. I really hope he turns it around & gets us into top 4. No point aiming for the title or CL knockout stages.

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But managers can be rightly blamed for not dealing with a persistent and inherent issue, such as our defending, which has been carp from the time he took over as the manager.

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23 Oct 2014 08:11:04
Rodgers out. ha ha.
Behave. people.
Perspective is needed.
We got spanked by a team with unlimited resources and breathtaking quality.
They have showed us that we are not the best team in Europe and what we need to do to be that best team.
Lets climb the mountain rather than bitch about who's got the compass!

ha ha I don't know what that last bit means. but it felt good!

jonnybarnes89-90

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I wouldn't use the resources argument.

(Sorry eds, some figures talk, but these are all approximations taken from other sites)

Since 2010 Liverpool have had a net transfer spend of £158million.

Since 2010 Real have had a net transfer spend of £138million.

The only Liverpool signings in this period that can be called a success at this point are Suarez, Hendo, Allen, Sturridge and Coutinho.

In the same period Real have signed Khedira, Carbalho, Ozil, Coentrao, Varane, Modric, Isco, Bale, Kroos and James.

Madrid were also in the Champions league the entire time, won the Champions league, won La Liga, won the Copa del Rey twice, won the Spanish super cup, while Liverpool won the League Cup.

Liverpool had the resources and wasted them.

You cannot use the resources argument to excuse being beaten by Madrid, sorry.

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23 Oct 2014 08:52:00
Jonny, I agree to an extent but it isn't just this performance that has people, including myself, thinking maybe BR isn't the man to take us that extra step up. I'm not one to call for his head yet, but if he doesn't show he has flexibility and changes this system he's trying to force, then he is very naïve and doesn't deserve to be at the helm of this great club. Like I said, I'm not calling for his head yet, but things need to change, and fast.

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Perspective is needed.
We're not the best club in Europe. Yeah, we all know that.
Well let's put this into perspective, shall we? Ludogorets put up a great fight against Real and gave them a run for their money. But came up just short with a 2-1 defeat. We got thrashed 3-0 at home. Tbh if they did not have the classico we would have been drubbed 5/6/7-0. So, where does that put us? It's not always about being the best side. Chelsea had the worst PL season in 2012 but they still beat the then champions Barca & in the final Bayern who beat Real in the semis. There is something very wrong with this team and it is mostly Brendina's fault.

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23 Oct 2014 08:09:27
Am I the only one who thought as a whole we played quite well yesterday? The formation looked good, the midfield particularly worked well with each other, Sterling ahead of Coutinho looks like it has potential, Monero and Allen were working 1-2's well etc. We have our usual mare with a corner and a looping cross but aside from that I thought we were very good, offered Real very little to work with and with a little more firepower or running up front from Balotelli, could definitely have got on the scoresheet. Not to mention little Phil's very impressive rocket shot, he's turning into a real big game player! Mingolet, Johnson, Skrtel and Lovren were all poor, but I think we should be playing Manquillo, Toure and Sakho anyway - wouldn't cry seeing Jones out there either. Everyone else I think can take some measure of pride out of this game - tactically we did well and if the defense could deal with the simplest of balls, it would have been a very respectable score (and with a bit more motivation with them not being out of sight, perhaps something could even have been pulled out up front).

Since Spurs I think this has been our first match where that back group has been the only real concern for me.

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Yes mate I am afraid you are the only one. Beyond our poor (but routine) defensive performance we were terrible going forward and wouldn't score even if played another 1000 minutes against them. Yes we weren't too bad in midfield and possession wise but for me it only stressed how poor we are in the final third - other than Coutinho's shot I don't think we had one shot on target let alone a decent cross or a header. Nothing. And as much as they are fantastic team Real, they don't close you down like Barcelona used to do, they let you play a bit. Both Basel and Ludocretz scored 1 against them. Not us. At the moment we are a very easy team to defend against.

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You must have turned the TV off after 20 mins, as last 70 odd mins we were woeful matey.

Scouse pride

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23 Oct 2014 11:56:29
I agree that from 20 minutes to 45 we were dominated. After that I really thought we came back into it - Coutinho's shot reminded us a little that they weren't infallible. Lallana added a lot of energy as well which I thought balanced it out. After they took off Ronaldo they just sort of kept the ball but that is over half the match were against Real we weren't dominant as such, but were definitely in there. Defense aside (not Monero so much) if we do what we did against Hull, we can get a good win

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23 Oct 2014 07:33:37
The fact of the matter is we've in recent times always had a top class striker be it keegan, dalglish, Rush, Aldridge, Beardsley, fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez at the moment we have no-one up front that can score 20 goals in a season
I do rate Sturridge but he was intended as a support striker to the main man Suarez, while Lambert may not be the long term answer until January surely a striker who scored 20+ goals last years deserves regular starts
As for the defence there's no obvious leader Skyrtel still gets picked despite his errors while Sakho who most fans agree should partner Lovren seems out of favour and I'm sure 99% of fans agree Johnson has no place in our team
The other hard truth that Brendan seems to ignore is Stevie G great servant to the club and legend is at the end of his career is ineffective in his current position if we're going to have a season of blooding new players surely it's time for us to play Emre Can or Joe Allen in his place allowing Coutinho and Lallana to play in the starting line up

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22 Oct 2014 22:32:22
dont want to sound negative but i think BR is destroying players. lambert should start ahead balo and what is wrong with borini? Defence? wow don't even ask. i would trust Br with single penny in transfer window or maybe he won't be there anymore.

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He will go only after Tony Pulis and all the other decent available managers will find a job elsewhere so we end up with a second rate young manager who had a half decent season somewhere. Re Mario - I know I may get abuse for it, but I have to admit I kind of feel for the guy. He looks like a lost boy wondering near the D and has no clue what to do and how to score goals. Unfortunately none of our players and BR can help. By the way his goal against England in the WC was very similar to the first Benzema goal today and the same quality.

fanobip

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Not having a go at Mario but he can't play as a lone striker. Either pair him with borini or don't start him. When Sturridge Is there he will be better

Taas

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End of the day Mario has moved every other year and been managed by some of the best managers in football and they couldn't get the best out of him. BR or the board took a gamble on Mario. it hasn't paid off. Time to Sell him and move on

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23 Oct 2014 00:05:19
@ Taas - That's not an excuse for being bone idle lazy. Tonight was probably his best game for us, and he still didn't do nearly enough in terms of running and movement.

You're suggesting that we play Borini (who by the way is not very good) effectively to do Balotelli's running for him until Sturridge comes back. If that's the case, then maybe Balotelli isn't worth having in the team?

He doesn't need a strike partner. He needs to pull his finger out.

- Something Red -

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Certainly couldn't be much worse, Taas.

657 total minutes played, 21 shots outside of the box, 16 shots in the penalty area, 4 shots in the 6 yard box, 1 goal.

Taken the 3rd most shots in the PL, behind Aguero and Pelle, 0 league goals.

RDL

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Time to sell him? he's had about 9 games, half of which he wasn't fit in. he's a very good player but has only shown small glimpses of it. its obvious his confidence was down and I think he look better when he came on as a sub a couple of weeks ago. either play 2 upfront or drop him for Lambert and take the pressure off him a while whislt he works on his sharpness. i'm convinced he will start scoring once he gets confidence back. I remember when henry went to arsenal. he looked awful for his first dozen games. couple of goals and the rest was history. if anyone should be blamed for tonight then look to Rodgers but in all fairness we were playing arguably the best team in the world, would many teams have got positive result?

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In the first minute he should have played Sterling in.
He chose the greedy option.
He is not a team player.
Simple as that.
I understand why we went for him but like daniellambretta74 said it has not worked out so far.

jonnybarnes89-90

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Mario plays like Andy Carrol, he waits on the edge of the area for the ball with back to goal, he doesn't chase down defenders, he is slow to track back and he is selfish taking on players n losing the ball. In addition his shooting accuracy is awful (so far) and his availability and positioning to link up with other players and find space is poor. None of that is down to fitness as suggested by earlier poster that is his style of play and has been at all clubs. I think it's not going to work out people

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22 Oct 2014 21:52:28
Eds 001 or 002 can you substantiate the rumour that Dr Peters called in sick today? We got schooled!!!

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22 Oct 2014 22:18:59
Why am I not as annoyed and upset tonite as I usually am after a defeat? Is it because I had no belief that we would get a result tonite?
We were really outclassed tonite. What a great 1st goal that was! Credit to them.
What does annoy me is this inability to realise we cannot defend set pieces? Simple long balls?
BR, I'm sick of seeing this, what are you doing about it? It's not just this season, we saw it last season too.
Analytically, I think we saw why Sterling shouldn't play up top. It's may force the opposition to sit a little deeper, but getting the ball with a CB stuck up your jacksy is negating his real strength of picking up the ball and running at people. But how good would he be in that Madrid team? He really is going to be some player.
If Moreno can improve his defending we could have a real player there.
Is anyone else worried that E.Can runs like a cross between Igor Biscan and Carra?! Other than that, I do like his athleticism and eagerness to receive the ball. At one point he ran up to SG on the halfway line and tried to take the ball off him. Rightly he was dismissed, but its a good sign. His pace bursting forward is almost Toure like(yaya of course)! But playing him with Henderson, I can see a lack of creativity that would concern me.
Other positives, Coutinho looked much sharper, Gerrard did ok, Hendo & Allen worked hard.
Negatives, GJ needs a new challenge, he no longer makes up for his poor defensive ability with his attacking prowess! Migs just makes me and no doubt his defenders nervous, Ballo actually appears to be letting the criticism affect him! But his demeanour isn't liverpool.
I'm really concerned about Markovic? He really seems out of his depth. He just doesn't even show a glimpse of any kind of ability? let's hope he does with further chances!

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22 Oct 2014 22:02:54
there was a comment made by rodgers over the weekend where he said the team are missing suarez, i remember when the greats of rush, dalglish, fowler, torres etc left the club, lfc got on with it. lfc have never been one player they have played collectively together at all times. through thick and thin. i have to admit reading several posts not just tonight but in general that rodgers has not got what it takes to manage liverpool his ideas his tactics his team selections etc are going wrong. i may be wrong on this point but swansea were unplayable the first season in the prem, after that everyone suused them out, he does not have a plan b when the game goes wrong. also he had the chance to buy a quality striker in the summer but left it too late and bought mario.
listening to the commentary tonight and readin comments tonight they are all in agreement that we lack fight in the defence, we lack a commanding goalie. but until rodgers understands this and gets in a quality defesive coach and change the goalie we will struggle. these of course are only my thoughts.

booboo2014

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Liverpool have been a one or two man army over the past decade and a half. After Owen left, we collapsed. After Alonso left, we again collapsed. Then Torres left & we finished 8th the next season. Now Suarez has left and we are doomed. I'm sorry but we have been dropping big time everytime a star player leaves us unlike Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Southampton.

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Southampton, really? I agree with your overall post to an extent BUT to compare us to a team that just got promoted last year and is doing well in the EARLY stages of this season is quite dire and low, to be fair.

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This is Southampton's 3rd consecutive season for your kind information and btw comparisons are fair. They finished 8th last season & we'll probably finish 7th or 8th this season.

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22 Oct 2014 21:50:54
I think we have a great group of players both at the club and on loan but I think the coaching last season and now continuing into this season has been very poor.
I believe we will challenge this season with the proper Goal keeping coaching, defensive coaching and striker coaching.
Either Brendan Rogers steps up in the next week or two and sorts this out and public ally too to show he owns the problem or Brenda Rogers in my opinion should be sacked to allow a manager get out of these players what I believe and most fans know is there .

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22 Oct 2014 21:42:09
On a side note, Bulgaria celebrates the first victory of a Bulgarian team in the group stage of the CL! Elation all over the country, another dramatic late minute goal!

Drigan

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Yes indeed. It was a ray of sunshine in a rather poor night. Gives us a chance. Until that is Real Madrid get enough points and start resting players in the rest of the games.

The Irish Rover

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What hope IR ? Surely you're not expecting us to beat Ludgorets on their patch. They were very unlucky at Anfield, and actually played better than us. I think we will finish the group with just 1 more point maximum by drawing with Basle at home.

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22 Oct 2014 21:19:24
Need top, top striker to solve this mess. Balotelli doesn't suit our systeam, he completely slows our game & his always on the wings or out of the box. Need some serious strike power upfront

kopforever

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I think we need a keeper as well, many things wrong at the moment, but most of it is down to the manager, if I was lambert if be asking to go out on loan, as long as we keep playing stevie back there we simply haven't enough going forward, can't really blame it on balotelli, Rogers is putting him into a system which will never suit him, we then bring lallana on and markovic, but there's no one in middle to cross it to.rogers will get himself the sack soon with his pigheadedness

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22 Oct 2014 21:37:05
So when Balotelli came off why did we still struggle to do anything relevant? Legends were made alright.

TjRed

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Because as I said, with Gerrard back there in effectively a back five we don't have enough options going forward, need to play 442 or 352, can would have been better having a spell with hendo and Gerrard going off, the game was gone by then

Rob b

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Remember, Sturridge back fixes everything - including the inability to defend

AggerDo

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22 Oct 2014 22:12:41
It was always going to be a hard game against Madrid, they are a different class altogether, look what happened to Roma last night, at least we kept it respectable. I am not defending anyone, I am more concerned with the game on Saturday

Roy

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Rob, very sensible reply, good group of players here and they are better than this year's results, the right coaching will bring the best out of these guys and we will challenge again

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22 Oct 2014 22:23:32
Mate open your eyes we struggled because we lack prolific striker, there was a reason super mario was taken off at half time in favour of Lallana who is not even a striker lol

kopforever

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Balotelli is terrible . No amount of games or sturridge will improve his laziness and inability to pass the ball . Everyone criticising Rodgers wake up . he's a very good manager who needs a bit of guidance . Since when have we become a club that calls for a managers head a quarter of the way into a season .

Johnaldinioh

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TJ are you for real?

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22 Oct 2014 23:25:58
I understand you guys are looking for a scapegoat to blame. But remember we weren't playing that well with sturridge fit. He's not going to be the answer.

Mario balotelli is far from a terrible player. You don't score the amount of goals he has scored by being a terrible player.

TjRed

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The amount of goals he has scored?

He had 14 all season for Milan last year (the most he's ever scored in a season anywhere he's ever been) and 7 of those were penalties and free kicks.

In two and half years at City, he scored 30 in all competitions and 8 of those were penalties (22 open play goals in two and a half years, or roughly 8-9 per season).

You make it sound like he's prolific or something when he's really not.

RDL

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23 Oct 2014 02:14:17
30 in like 60 or so games at Milan. The man city tally really isn't that bad considering a lot of his appearances were substitute appearances and he was still quite young. You guys keep blaming mario but eventually you'll not have him to blame and then who? the fact remains when mario came off we didn't score a goal against a team who looked to be doing a training exercise against us.

TjRed

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Can't speak for others, but I don 'to blame Mario- he is who he is.

I do blame our transfer committee for only being able to come up with a 'calculated gamble' as the best they could do to replace Suarez when anyone who has ever watched Mario play should be able to tell he simply isn't anywhere near what we needed.

RDL

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Also, by my count, while at Milan he scored 28 goals for Milan between Series A and CL games. Of those:

10 were penalties
5 were from free kicks

Leaving 13 goals from open play in 1.5 seasons (4039 minutes), or one every 310 minutes or so.

For the fun of it, Sterling played nearly 4,000 minutes as well over the seasons 12/13 and 13/14 and had 11 goals, all from open play. And he's 17/18 years old and not a striker.

RDL

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22 Oct 2014 21:16:20
These big European nights are not as good as I remember.

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22 Oct 2014 21:22:27
Haha good man

RedJoel

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Haha agreed!

NorthYorkshireRed

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Reminded me of the Valencia game when Benitez's team ragged the ass off us.
We had a wake up call last night.
Every now and then it is no bad thing to get a hiding. A few home truths need to be told in that dressing room.
Must try harder should be the message.
And can everyone stop lauding Ronaldo's goal last night.
It was a great finish but 3 of our players could have tracked that simple run into the box and dealt with it.
The point I am trying to make is that basic errors are costing us big time.

jonnybarnes89-90

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Reminded me of a game vs Barcelona at home which we also lost 0-3. Kluivert was in his pomp it was that long ago.
Anyway, we barely touched the ball all game, Barca just passed us to death.

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22 Oct 2014 21:03:24
Thank God they have Barcelona at the weekend as they've turned it into a training session now

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Second half was massively boring, like watching an early pre-season friendly. Real hardly bothered to defend and still easily deflected every attack we made, sadly.

RDL

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22 Oct 2014 21:01:57
what's more worrying is there seems to be a lack of belief, motivation and plan. we are simply all over the place

STEPH1

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22 Oct 2014 21:01:19
Rogers will need all his NPL training to put a positive spin on this

redmarx

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No positives from this 1 lad , it's seems some of the players (baloteli) this is everyone's fault but mine attitude, gives sterling a bollockin for his piss poor ball and then asks benzema for his shirt at half time !! Last thing he should be thinking about, I d never give the ****er a red shirt again, 16 mil for him and 6 for lambert, 22 mil would have went a long way to buying a good no 9

redeamo

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22 Oct 2014 20:47:11
well lads it was always going to be hard tonight, but when your playing with 10 men against real madrid it is even harder.
I mean flopotelli isn't looking interested again, he is basically only getting involved when it suits him. Rodgers has a tough decision to make regarding him because the way its going 7-0 wouldn't flatter real. I just hope that we come out fighting and rodgers has told the flop to get involved. either that or take him off and play sterling as a striker.

booboo2014

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You're blaming Balotelli for this mess? Why don't you look at the manager, his coaching his choice of players his tactics, more rose tinted BR fans, what a joke blaming this catastrophe on one player when the manager is so much more culpable

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22 Oct 2014 21:04:39
mcgoved iwas merely stating ballotelli was none existent in the game. i have read other posts by you and it is obvious that you need glasses as you never fully read anyones comments without jumping in with you big gob. i for one am not a br supporter i support lfc. so read posts before you comment in future.

booboo2014

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10 men against Real Madrid. Flopotelli so which bit isn't blaming him ?

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22 Oct 2014 21:25:38
gobby read the post i said he isn't looking interested and only playing when it suits him. which means we are basically playing with 10 men. if you want i will lend you my wifes glasses, as you basically can't read properly.

booboo2014

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22 Oct 2014 21:33:46
I mean flopotelli isn't looking interested again, he is basically only getting involved when it suits him. mcgoveb where in that sentence does it say i blame ballotelli for the teams failings eh. where does it say in that sentence i am a br supporter eh.like i said read posts before commenting. i have kept off this site for almost 2 years because of people like you who assume everyone is one thing or another. people make comments on this site and people like you have to ruin it.

booboo2014

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22 Oct 2014 22:07:43
I agree with you booboo , Balo hardly got himself in the game , only when it suited him, against Madrid you need warriors defend from the front, we could n't afford to carry anyone

Roy

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22 Oct 2014 20:36:08
Lets try and get a goal and build from there second half. Rodgers future looking bleek.

Big Al

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And his future should be bleak, his players his tactics his coaching.
These players are better than this year's performances they just need new coaching

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Mcgov
Toomany things on Rodgers end to state but im.hoping he isn't given a penny to spend in January. We have a quailty squad. We need a top GK which should come from sales. The defense needs a Steve clarke type to.come in and.Flanagan and sakho in. There is a huge potential in our team but Rodgers is handling it all wrongg

Big Al

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Big Al I really agree, this is a very good group of players internationals throughout and they are much much better than this season's showings, it is coaching and tactics

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22 Oct 2014 19:38:55
When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm, there's a golden sky
And the sweet, silver song of a lark

Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown

Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone


Come on guys back the lads & Ken get the pants on

Crooky

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22 Oct 2014 20:54:38
Well said crooky.Y.N.W.A mate.

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22 Oct 2014 19:36:33
It feels great being a Liverpool supporter on a night like this and it is all thanks to BR and the boys. What a privilege.

Red Rum

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Dreading this site after the game.

Red Rum

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22 Oct 2014 22:14:14
all thanks to BR and the boys
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For being in the champions league , I think it should be thanks to the un-mentionable

Roy

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22 Oct 2014 19:23:50
Can't believe Lallana isn't starting!

Come on lads!

Mr. T   Mr. T
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22 Oct 2014 19:17:22
Call it blind faith, call it plain old stupidity for not accepting the trend of poor results but I feel optimistic about the game, I really think the lads are going to turn it on tonight. As fans we've had to wait so long for games like this so let's forget about the dire performance against QPR (despite three points) and enjoy the match.

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22 Oct 2014 20:38:15
you still feeling optimistic

diored1989

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22 Oct 2014 19:13:51
Most pundits have already written us off for tonight's game, so perhaps this will work in our favour. Every game we have played so far this season has been touted as a must win or we are failures. Nobody expecting much tonight, and I for one am hoping the players can relax and get back to football the Liverpool way.

IMO, Ronaldo never plays well against us (not any security, but perhaps we are a bogey team for him?). I think that Allen is the key to this game. If he can break up play like Macsch did in 2009 we can get frustrate their attack. Everyone knows RM are a bunch of prima donnas. However, if they get an early goal, we may get thumped as Stevie has unfortunately already eluded to.

coop

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22 Oct 2014 19:04:02
super mario will score tonight come on the reds!!

redman matt

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22 Oct 2014 18:47:23
Looks like 4-3-3 again then. I am worried.

We have looked so toothless without 2 up top this season.

Also very shocked that Lallana has been left out, think he's been one of our best players so far this season.

Hope Johnson proves everyone wrong tonight, going to have one hell of a job up against Ronaldo/James.

Good luck lads!

RedDawn

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22 Oct 2014 18:42:35
Football was made for nights like tonight. All round the f***ing fields boys!

RedJoel

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This is where BR has got us, yet some are calling for his head already. Personally, I think he has done a terrific job but now he is in unknown territory and has to learn quickly. I think he will do fine, and a win could kick start our season.

I'm going 3-1 tonight. Gerrard to score first. Come on Liverpool! Ynwa

Red Rum

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Brendan is a stubborn inexperienced manager who through his own making will get himself the sack not anyone on this sites fault but his own. Won't learn from his mistakes and constantly persevering with a system that does not suit the players at his disposal or indeed even playing the right personnel simply because he does not like them.

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Suarez got us here tonight, like he got us 2nd with his goals and assists and his all round play, without suarez brenda is all at seas and can't even fix the defence after spending so much money and seeing week in weeek out we can't defend balls into the box, or do you think brenda would have got us 2nd last season without suarez, and that he has fixed our defensive problems

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22 Oct 2014 18:40:03
Mignolet, Johnson, Moreno, Skrtel, Lovren, Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Coutinho, Sterling, Balotelli

MarcO   MarcO
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I think is the best plan we have, though I would have personally dropped Lovren (he has yet to prove himself) and started Sakho (if not injured) and maybe, just maybe, Lallana for Gerrard. Love Stevie, but for me the new Liverpool cannot have him in the starting 11.

coop

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22 Oct 2014 17:21:22
Anyone think we should be gathering the streets like last season and make Madrid life misery before they even get hear hoping to the kop been on full form tonight I'm ever the optimistic i'm going 3-1 and ballotelli to get a brace ;)

jamesy1989 YNWA

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22 Oct 2014 16:53:45
Anyone think we should be gathering the streets like last season and make Madrid life misery before they even get hear hoping to the kop been on full form tonight I'm ever the optimistic i'm going 3-1 and ballotelli to get a brace ;)

jamesy1989 YNWA

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22 Oct 2014 16:42:41
I'm curious, why do people think Balotelli will start scoring when Sturridge is fit? Because he blamed his form on not having a strike partner?

WelshBoyDave

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I think it will help him because balotelli cwn be marked out of a game and havong sturridge back will help him out as well as the simple fact that sturridge is a wuality attacking player and improves us going forward drastically

lfcste

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22 Oct 2014 19:37:13
I think if it was that simple mate, Borini or Lambert would be playing with him!

WelshBoyDave

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22 Oct 2014 16:31:38
So i like to use some logic when i put up a post. What is the most obvious thing or logical thing that might happen? For example, i said there was no way Agger would move back to Denmark "he is too young" . This is the player touted to be on Barca's radar 12 months before. It made sense to me! Logical! So what does he do? Moves to Brondby! I do the same thing when i do a wee bet or picking out teams to win. I haven't had a bet up in about 6 months! So with that in mind i'm going for Madrid to win 4-0! Its the obvious choice. I mean we are playing crap and we are playing the champions of europe so its a no brainer really! I can only see a heavey defeat for us! Logical really!

The Irish Rover

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I've been thinking draw for weeks now would achievable. However from this morning for no logical reason I think 3-1 to us tonight.

Don't ask why just a hunch.

Jonesred

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22 Oct 2014 16:24:25
Liverpool 0-7 Real Madrid

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22 Oct 2014 17:01:25
You look like you fell out of a primark catalogue.

daveybootle

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22 Oct 2014 18:13:10
(Sipmson's Nelson) Ha Ha!

kev from skem

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Peter Andre. Lol's

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It's not Peter Andre, it's his arl fella after a session.

DaveyBootle

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Carlton - Fresh Prince of Belair

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Take a day off, soft lad. You look blinkered and tired.

redohio

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22 Oct 2014 16:00:56
What a fantastic performance from the young reds. They weathered the Madrid onslaught in the 2nd half. Madrid pulled 2 goals back to level at 2-2. With a couple of mins on the clock the reds broke forward. Harry Wilson slotted home the winner from inside the box with a left foot shot across the keeper. What a lay off from Rossiter in the build up. Absolutely delighted for them. A great performance against an excellent Madrid team.

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22 Oct 2014 15:52:35
This lad jordan rossiter for a 17 year old lad he has a brain of a 32 year old. His positional sense and the awareness of the game is exceptional, and the calmness and leadership ability just fantastic. Sky's the limit for this lad

TheUrchin

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22 Oct 2014 16:26:43
Next time Allen is injured I'd like to see him making the squad

hjikle

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Let's hope he doesn't get "Brendaned" like Alberto, Illori, Sakho, Suso & Wisdom have.

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'Brendaned'?

What's Sakho got to do with that?

Whenever I see a useless irrelevant post, I'll refer to it as a 'dalglish loyalist' one such was the irrelevance of that.

DaveyBootle

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Do you even know the meaning of that God-aweful expression?

redohio

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22 Oct 2014 15:40:25
All set up for a famous night, just hoping the lads take the opportunity to put themselves into reds history .What a way to get your season back on track .

Doesn't matter who they are this is Anfield and usually when we have been written off we bounce back in style.

Also on a European night against Real those passengers we have been carrying will be exposed . Opportunities for a few to prove they are worthy of the shirt .


"Fire in your belly comes from pride and passion in wearing the red shirt. We don't need to motivate players because each of them is responsible for the performance of the team as a whole. The status of Liverpool's players keeps them motivated."

Bill Shankly

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