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26 Oct 2014 01:59:19
Dear God help my team play as a team, defend as a team attack as a team, help them get some confidence and Balo some goals, please God help Brendan pick a team we all agree with and are not left out because he doesn't want them there, help him decide which is his best eleven and play strikers that are capable of scoring goals, i promise to be a good boy and go to Anfield Cathedral and go home hoarse from supporting my team, thank you God

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25 Oct 2014 23:32:49
We should take the positives from today! yes we didn't get beat by Hull, and we could still be playing now and NOT score yet! a toothless attack, Brendan Rodgers has not played the same side ALL season, he doesn't know his best XI! struggling against Hull at Anfield say's it all for me, i wonder if any other clubs had spent as much as us the last transfer window would still be as bad. it kills me to say this stuff but i'm not going to sugar coat it, how we are not lower down the league is a mystrey, all i can say is we didn't get beat, wow.

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25 Oct 2014 22:27:31
I forgot we play Tuesday. Henderson to captain and let rossiter start again imo. Or Lucas. Rest Gerrard and let's see some Suso and Borini! It really should be a second squad out there with a few that rested today.

Suso scores us what should have been a winner and hasn't seen the pitch since. Youth always have a chance here!

If rodgers doesn't start two strikers after what we just watched next weekend I might go mad. I won't mind the lone striker Tuesday and bring on a 2nd as a sub. But we need 2 strikers in league play for sure.

TjRed

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25 Oct 2014 23:01:37
Suso's out injured, but think we'll play a strong squad, so we can (try and) win in and get some confidence going!

Keith

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25 Oct 2014 23:11:04
Suso's injured, although he likely wouldn't have featured anyway.

- Something Red -

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Suso has been injured, not that it matters, I'm not sure he'd play anyway tbh.

The Shrewsbury Red

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Suso's injured mate, until December or January I think?

Digger Barnes

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25 Oct 2014 23:24:27
Suso is injured. Not back to December. I hope we put a fairly strong team out on Tuesday as I am going but not just that winning breeds confidence and we need to be competitive in all competitions.

Mighty reds

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We can`t afford to take games off in our current situation. We need to field a strong team like we did last season in order to win and breed confidence because Swansea WILL field a strong team as well.

redohio

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Play the U-21s, maybe they'll show a bit of passion.

RDL

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Smith, Rossiter, Borini, Yesil, Lucas, Toure & Harry Wilson should all play some part in the Cap1Cup

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25 Oct 2014 22:03:31
Just got back from Anfield. Only make it once a year and I have to tell you I was a little apprehensive about how the team would perform. My unbiased opinion is that the team looked a lot more up for it today than recent weeks.

I sense genuine encouragement that we can improve.

First half there was some frustration from the crowd about lack of movement but I have to say the atmosphere and energy from crowd was better today than last couple of years I have made it to Liverpool which pleasantly surprised me.

g1dgo

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25 Oct 2014 21:44:29
There is a bit of a mixed reaction to today's game which surprises me as much as BR's comments. Did he really say we were outstanding today?!
I've watched liverpool lose at home to lower league teams, get hammered by Chelsea etc but I don't think I've ever wanted to leave a game at half time before! I was so bored watching that game that I could happily of gone home! It reminded me of the Hodgson era. I just can't fathom out exactly what or how we are trying to play?
Positives; obviously that clean sheet! Though this could have been due to Hull's lack of adventure as much as our ability but credit all the same! I don't think anyone was particularly outstanding, the 2 cb's did what they had to ok. The full backs were significantly less adventurous today? Was this a tactical decision or just circumstance? We shall see? Coutinho injected some much needed pace into our dour game, Migs did well, Allen and Can were workmanlike, erm that's it I think.
The front 3 were totally ineffective, Sterling and Moreno were sloppy in their passing, Lallana had a quiet day. The fact that SG is not making any so called "Hollywood passes" says all that needs to be said about our movement or lack of it?
Our passing was so slow it was painful. why did it take 65 mins to make a change or bring any urgency to our game? It's so frustrating? Particularly as we know from last year how effective we can be when we play with pace and urgency.
I don't think Sturridge can come back quick enough as his movement can transform the performances of so many other players.

Sirshanks

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BR isn`t playing to our strengths atm. We destroyed teams by playing 2 up top especially at hoe v teams who park the bus like Hull did last season. Now, he`s back to playin with one up top which is setting up either Balo or Lambo up for failure because it DOESN`T work especially against THREE Cb`s like today. BR, go back to what made us great and play 2 up like today because Lambo was good and that left Balo w/ chances to score and w/ a bit of luck, he would have or your stubborness will get you the sack.

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 21:17:16
One thing I can't believe is the fact that as terrible we've played this season we are only three points behind City and level on point with our main rivals for the top four. Now weather that's because they are playing badly or because the league is finally becoming a level playing field.
The truth of it is Chelsea are probably going to run away with the league, City will get second as long as Aguero stays fit so that leaves two spots open for the top four. Arsenal are playing just as bad as us, and Untied seem intent on signing big names instead of players they need. I'm not making excuses for Rodgers stubbornness and poor results i'm just trying to point out we've been very lucky that no rivals for the top four have pulled away.

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Always, that is an excuse and that's the problem, too manexcuses allowing BR get away with this dross.
Still poor keeper, poor defending, poor tactics, poor coaching and a mouthy manager who can't stay away from the press.

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If the press ask him a question, what can he do? Every manager goes to press conferences, none of them actively seek out the press, it comes as part of the job. He gives an honest opinion, even though I know it can become a little annoying.

The Shrewsbury Red

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You have a very naive view of matters.}

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25 Oct 2014 20:27:14
We played very well today - for about the last 6 or 7 minutes. The rest of the game we were no better than Hull and the two best performers on the pitch today were probably Diame and Ramirez - both from Hull. That said, Skrtl and Lovren looked OK together. Gerrard - though not particularly inspiring, played some good passes. I still believe that while Sturridge is off sick we should be playing Borini & Lambert up front in a conventional 4-4-2. Interestingly, we all know how big Balotelli is, but I don't think he one one single aerial challenge the whole match.

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Last 7 mins? How much of the game did you actually watch, OBJECTIVELY?

redohio

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About 94 minutes of it give or take 30 seconds

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The best player on the pitch was can, diame was lucky to be on the pitch, how he didn't get a booking was disgusting

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He didn't get a booking because he knows how to play the game.

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25 Oct 2014 20:11:57
At least the poll of the day higher votes were correct.

I'm not sure which poster said it but we have fallen a long long way from last year when we are looking for positives in a 0-0 home draw against an injury hit Hull side.

I am trying to be positive guys but the same problems from last year still persist, defending, goal keeper, actual DM player and real cover for Daniel, not replacing Suarez with someone who can find the net even a few times is just the last straw.

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The positive for me was the half decent effort put in by the lads second half.

As a 'glass half empty' type of guy, i will take any positives that any fellow reds wish to put forward.

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25 Oct 2014 20:11:53
Haven't totally given up on BR but just wondering has he been given an extension to his contract I know there was some talk but not sure of outcome this might be a pointer to FSG' S thoughts

Evered77

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Till 2018 after he won Manager of the Year for taking us from 7th to within a whisker of winning the league.

redohio

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Redohio,

So what happened? From a whisker to a gulf?

Do you honestly believe he is the best man to take us forward, it's only a question so don't throw a strop if that's ok, I just want to know if you are happy with how he is coaching and picking the team?
I won't ask about you about his transfers as it's always easy for people to blame the committee and pretend BR only brought in The good players.
Look forward to your opinion.

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Mcgoveb, I`m not defending BR so slow your roll. I`m only giving him his due because some on here have hard time doing that. I don`t know if Br`s the guy to take us forward and funny enough, NOBODY knows either. You know why? because things change very quickly in today`s game and the season`s still young so no need to panic, IMO. About his transfers, he hasn`t covered himself in glory HOWEVER, if the commitee`s getting players he didn`t ask for like Ilori, Markovic, Sahko and so on according to the Eds, what do you expect? A total mess! In my view, we need to hang in there and dig deep because bashing the team and the manager ain`t going to fix nada. BUT BR has to be willing to recognize his mistakes and look to fix them QUICKLY. Good enough for ya?

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 19:27:39
So Mario didn't get his brace and we didn't win but we kept a clean sheet and we are now unbeaten in 4 league games. Its not much i know. Without watching the game myself yet i do believe the Hull keeper had a blinder? Anyway, it is what it is. Small steps i guess!

The Irish Rover

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25 Oct 2014 19:59:19
Blinder? We didn't trouble him.

supermario

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A blinder is very generous. He had little to do most of the game.

RDL

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Lol! Like i said i didn't see it. Just fed duff info in that case! Cheers.

The Irish Rover

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He could have been actually blind and still kept a clean sheet today.

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25 Oct 2014 18:24:16
I thought there were allot of positives to take from today. I think Ballotelli did put in a shift and looks like he wants to try, definitely a better performance then the Madrid game, defensive side was better (because johnson wasn't playing in my opinion). I hope Brendan realizes that we play better with 2 strikers, has been unfair for Mario i feel, because he is not a striker like Torres when he was here who can lead the line on his own, and have been wishing he played either Lambert or Borini alongside him and play the diamond because we looked better after Lambert and Coutinho came on. Can played well i thought also. Hopefully they will use that as a spingboard going forward. On a side note West Ham beating City today kind of puts our defeat into a bit of context. I have said all along had Sturridge never gotten injured, mario would have been playing allot better. I wish he gave Borini a chance though, and Suso but hopefully BR can see this and learn from it. I can't understand when he signed Mario as a partner for Sturridge he doesn't play someone up top with him while Daniel is injured. Today was frustrating but hopefully our performances are starting to pick up a bit. YNWA

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25 Oct 2014 19:39:42
It's a little outrageous agar the majority of fans can see how much better we are with two strikers yet the man paid millions to put our best team out can't.

TjRed

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For the sake of his job and our great club, he`d better see it and quickly.

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 18:19:45
Watching the Real Madrid v Barcelona game on tv, hopefully when Real buy Sterling next summer United buy Isco

Pardoe   Pardoe
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Is that "banter"?

The real AG

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Isco is a wonderful player and wouldn`t mind him at all at Pool.

redohio

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Why Pardoe? Can Isco play center half?

The Irish Rover

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I don't get it. Isco would easily be our best player.

Eusebio

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Maybe he can The Irish Rover well I hope he can

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25 Oct 2014 17:57:24
Hello to all the EDS and fellow REDS

2nd half display was encouraging, despite all the moaners. Emre Can shows promise and we will soon have a young Yaya in our team. His marauding few runs show the potential that is there.

Balotelli can not play on his own, it neither fair on him or us fans. Brendan is an extremely fast learner of a manager and we will succeed. HAVE PATIENCE!

Hull gave Arsenal a run for their money (I know, not much of a triumph) and the gooners were lucky to equalize in the last minute.

We are on the right track. There are encouraging signs all over the field.

Manquillo and Moreno are getting better with every game. Hull were hanging on for dear life. Be optimistic. (Tired of whingers, moaners and let's criticize at the first signers)


Must start winning games we dominate possession.
YNWA

IranRed in London

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What use is a striker that can't play on his own? I'm nearly positive Lambert won more headers and created more chances in his 30 minute cameo than Balotelli has all season.

We have a striker who has 1 goal, 1 assist in 473 minutes played.

We have a striker who has 2 goals, 1 assist in 1, 077 minutes played.

We have a striker who has 1 goal, 0 assists in 747 minutes played.

The first is Iago Aspas, the second is Fabio Borini, the third is Mario Balotelli.

RDL

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Nothing wrong with being an optimist!

coop

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I disagree on almost everything. Br a fast learner? In 2 and a half years, he still hasn't learned anything about obvious: defending.

Putting too much on Emre Can's shoulder is not a good idea. I thought he was OK today, nothing special. He has plenty of time to get better, however.

It is perfectly fair on Balotelli to do anything he might be asked within reason. that is just a daft comment. He played as a lone striker at Milan without no problems either. However, today, I think he should have not started after all the stick he got from the media and his manager for the past two week.

The real AG

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Also, I won't take anything from the display, because as soon as Lambert came on, BR was quick to abandon his "system" and go for the long ball tactic and crosses into the box tactic. This is his fall-back when his system doesn't work. It hasn't worked whole season btw.

The real AG

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If brendan is supposedly a fast learner than why has he reverted to the pointless system that failed us when he first joined and not changed anything iver the last 9 games when clearky we aren't playing as we did last season, and that's not neccasarily the players fault.

Anonymous Woolback

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RDL, I respectfully disagree. Certain strikers CANNOT play on their own up top because they need someone close to them to interchange and link up with. Certain strikers can like Suarez, Muller, Van Persie, Benzema and so on BUT they either need a system that allows them to flourish (Holland, Barca, Real) or they have midfielders who play very close to them like Rivaldo with Ronaldo, Robben with Van Persie. Other players like Klose can play on their own BUT are more effective with someone next to them who can loosen the defence. Even when Balo was outstanding for Italy at the last Euros, he had Cassano next to him who is a genius and who was able to loosen the defence to allow him to shine. Those saying he will do better w/ Studge next to him have something to hold on to. As someone who has played the position at a every level but the pros, I can confidently say that sticking a striker alone against THREE Cb`s is just madness and you are setting him up for failure. To prove my point, Balo looked very good when he had Lambo who`s hold-up and link up play was outstanding. All in all, it`till not good enough BUT we created more chances and Balo was in the wars and I don`t blame him on that goal line chance because he would have had his head taken off. We go again!

redohio

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I literally can't think of another decent striker in world football who is incapable of playing on their own up top, redohio.

I don't expect him to get hat tricks every game, but he's missed absolute sitters repeatedly. He can't pass, has no vision, doesn't win headers. What is he offering, exactly? Borini and Aspas had both been run out of the club after as many minutes as he's gotten after producing more than he has.

RDL

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RDL, because they are being played as a lone strike DOESN`T mean they can b effective as we`ve seen w/ Balo. And at Milan, Balo had ElSharawy and/or Pazzini next to him.

redohio

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Not sure I follow, to be honest, redohio. I agree Balotelli would be better with Sturridge, but so would Borini, Aspas, or even me and I'm awful. He's a complete passenger on the pitch and isn't even making up for it by scoring the sitters the team is creating for him or when the ball falls to his feet.

When Sturridge comes back, I'm not convinced Balotelli deserves to be playing next to him.

RDL

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N btw, Sudge can play on his own a bit BUT is VERY ineffective as we saw in the game at City and against the Saints at home because it took Lambo being on the field to open up space for him to score the winner.

redohio

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RDL, I mean playing as a lone striker is tough some can play like that, some can adapt with the right system around them and others are NOT cut out to play like that an Balo is one of the latter. As of now, Costa and Aguero are the only ones in the PL who can play on their own BUT they are in a system that allows them to flourish w/ players like Siva, Yaya, Fabregas, Hazard and so on feeding them. What we have is a forward who not only cannot play on his own but is feeding on scraps. Borini and Aspas are not the right examples because Aspas NEVER played for us due tolDS and LS and Borini works hard BUT doesn`t have temprament needed to play at this level, IMO. Missing sitters is a sign of one thing and one thing only: his confidence is SHOT to bits w/ the constant criticism and abuse he`s getting by some of our own "fans" (not you) and as a result, he`s afraid to miss, tries too hard to score and in the end, he misses anyway. To score goals, you need to be cool, calm and collected. If you get too excited, you`ll miss sitters, for sure.

redohio

Ed01{Ed001's Note - City play two up top, Aguero is very very rarely played up top on his own.}

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How many goals did he score again when playing without Suarez last season? Was it 9 in 10 games or something to that effect?

RDL

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25 Oct 2014 17:49:10
I hope the ballo show doesn't result in other players being totally ignored for much longer. We paid 20 million for markovic who has had very little opportunity to play. He's younger, a good attitude reportedly and no experience of English football. You could call it 4 6 0 but Germany and barca played with out your traditional centre forward pretty successfully. Speed and movement characterised our football last season so why not just play with a load of players who can compliment each other that way. 6 in midfield means all our better players are on the pitch
Gerrard, Hendo, Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana plus Markovic can get a run and then its just about coaching them to alternate runners so we have players in the box.

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Sorry but marco has been very poor up to date and is not ready for this league just yet

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25 Oct 2014 17:45:54
Jermaine Defoe is a person we all know this but we also know he scores goals for fun and isn't playing at Toronto. Cud he buy himself out of contract and then be classed as a free agent now or would he have to wait till January to be sold? If he could we should be this till the end of the season

Daniellambretta

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Or maybe wait for Origi?

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We have enuff players already, bro. What we need is decide who to keep and who to sell.

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 17:06:37
C'mon Brendan admit defeat 4-3-3 is not as effective for us as 4-4-2 diamond. It didn't work last season & it's not working this season. Our best performance this year was against spurs (4-4-2) and we played better when we reverted to it today - even mario was improved by having someone else there.

Bandit06

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My point exactly. Lambo impressed me w/ his link up play and could easily have had 2 assists today.

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 17:02:25
A clean sheet gives us a nice building block. Also that extends our run to four games without defeat in the league. Well in touch of top four and our main striker to comeback. Lots of positives from today.

Mighty reds

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25 Oct 2014 17:06:48
Whatever you're on, I want some of it.

- Something Red -

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25 Oct 2014 17:22:49
I think Mighty have a good point. Yes disappointing result but the last 30 minutes give me hope . we played well, let's hope the manager realises the system he played in those minutes is far more effective than his mysterious system he is trying to implement

Roy

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It was a clean sheet because it was the most tepid of attacking displays from Hull City.

The Manager got it wrong today, in personnel and tactics. With 5 defenders and 3 defensive midfielders in their side starting for Hull, who the heck in their right mind goes with 1 striker up front; even then that is a striker who is soo short of confidence and someone who has taken soo much criticism.

Poor management. By the time this base is built, the others would be out of sight.

The real AG

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Second half we really tried you can't knock that at all. We were also very unlucky with some decisions, decisions which went our way last season. They do say that referee decisions even themselves out eventually.

hsf

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There are no positives from a 0-0 bore draw at home against Hull City. None

Eusebio

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Tried? At home? To Hull City? After a 3-0 thumbing against Real?

Yeah, right.

The real AG

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Reall AG and Mighty are both right. Even Suarez will struggle playing on his own with 3 Cb`s. He changed it and we could have had 2-3 goals today w/ a bit of luck. Eusebio, there are almost always positives after almost every game especially in our situation. We have to build on what we saw today and hope BR has seen the light. Two up is the way to go. Simples!

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 19:11:20
We was nothing short of shocking mate. Again! We are clueless, no idea, we don't even look like scoring. Like watching an entirely different side from last season,, I've been to every single home game and it's a pattern.
Lack of goal scorers we are not even a threat no world class players or match winners,,, lack of ideas we can't create from the slow build ups and don't EVER mix it up ie take it to the bi line and cross it in,,, and the lack of organisation throughout the whole team especially at the back.

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25 Oct 2014 17:00:34
on a positive not surely this has to show rogers how much better balo is with lambert with him and also how much we as a team are better with 2 up top and could of had 2 pens and again Gerrard is better forward up the pitch bursting in to the box but noing Rodgers he won't se it as it is.

mike g

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Or does it just show that Lambert is better than Balotelli?

RDL

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They both can`t play alone as either needs a partner. Hence, play them both. End of!

redohio

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Disagree. Lambert is perfectly capable of playing on his own. Unlike Balotelli, he's good at holding up the ball and playing it on to runners. A 4-3-3 with a top 3 of Lallana-Lambert-Sterling (as an example) would be miles better than the same with Balotelli.

RDL

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That might just work, RDL. However, we tried that against WBA and Lambo had a poor game, IMO. He looked better today w/ Balo next to him and against Southampton on the opening day. But we can try out it in the next game and see if it works.

redohio

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I agree Lambert wasn't at his best that game (against WBA), but overall in his limited minutes I think he's looked better than Balotelli. Think we can all agree (except apparently our manager) that the Balotelli as a lone striker option decidedly does not work though.

RDL

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Here, here, RDL!

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 17:00:06
Rodgers has no idea what his best team is. Never mind his formation. At least we got a point but I think we are getting worse.

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26 Oct 2014 01:31:58
In what world do you live in? We were clearly dominant in the second half. With a bit of luck we would've been 1 or 2 nil up. Your post is "glass half empty" mindset on display.

AnfieldUSA

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25 Oct 2014 16:58:58
I only caught the last 20, and I accept it might have been because it was late in the game and Hull had backed off to play for the draw, but Coutinho looked a class above all our other players.

He started the season badly, but he got his act together again and for me needs to start all PL and CL games.

- Something Red -

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Well, he'll need the odd rest to be fair and I think when we're playing teams which drop deep, he's best off coming from the bench, so he can go 200mile an hour for 30 minutes.

hsf

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25 Oct 2014 16:58:56
You have to say, once Lambert and coutinho came on we looked great. And we FINALLY kept a clean sheet. We should have won 2-0 but for. you guessed it. I find it amazing when people say that Balotelli is not the main reason the team isn't doing well. Today he finally got into good positions and wasted at least 2 perfect opportunities. With Sturride STILL out I feel we're going to have to keep playing him, with Lambert up front. But wow, he should have won that at the end.

HBRed

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Well, we should NEVER have won at QPR and we should have won v Everton and today hence, it is all evened out.

redohio

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25 Oct 2014 16:59:27
On another note, good luck Luis on your debut!

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At this moment it's 3-1 to rma hope they batter them and he has a lousy debut.

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25 Oct 2014 16:55:32
Clean sheet!

Happy days!

Wish we had Sanchez and not Mario.

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25 Oct 2014 17:00:01
It was such a better performance once he finally gave us two strikers. We created chances but hull just defended superbly.

TjRed

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25 Oct 2014 16:53:29
I don't want to hear another excuse from BR. If he plays up the clean sheet he should be fired on spot. He should come right out and apologize to the fans. Luckily for me, el Classico will lift my spirits. And yes, I will cheer for the greatest player to ever Don a liverpool kit (with all respects for our other heroes).

coop

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25 Oct 2014 17:07:25
Better than Dalglish?

Essexred884

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Suarez had the best season of any liverpool player. Kenny obviously had more seasons, consistency, legend. But comparing man to man, he wasn't Suarez, and few are.

coop

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25 Oct 2014 17:42:51
Coop you're a young lad aren't you?

Eusebio

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25 Oct 2014 19:36:19
Have to agreed with coop. He's pretty dang good

TjRed

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Fowler, Dalglish, Nicol, Hansen, Souness, Gerrard were all better than Suarez in their prime in my opinion because they were undisputably the best player in the world at what they did. Suarez was just a world class player in a team built around him. Dalglish stood out in an entire team of world class talent.

No comparison for me. Suarez was bloody good though and certainly the best player we'd had since Gerrard, Torres, Alonso and Reina were in their prime years at the club.

(Just want to add Rush and Barnes to the list of players at the start as well)

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^^^^^ LOL

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Young lad? Depends on your perspective! Not Kenny's age, but several years beyond our oldest player! We have indeed had special players, but Suarez was a special talent. Se would say he was a one man team (and there is plenty evidence now to back that claim!)

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25 Oct 2014 16:42:12
Watching Hendo, an honest hard worker, faking contact and being called on it in front of our home fans simply epitomizes our current form. So sad. You have to feel for the players. I think BR lack of ge plan and tactics is the issue here

coop

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25 Oct 2014 16:36:10
Let's face it lads, we've lost the plot. I don't recall a single shot on net today. Thank god Hull have key players injured or we could have been shellacked like Madrid game. The lads need to dig deep and claw out a few wins so that we are still in striking distance of 4th come January or FSG could pull the plug on this project. Trying to see the positives, but we are showing no signs of improving.

coop

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No disrespect to Hull, I'm from and live in Hull, but have always been a liverpool supporter,,, and yes hull have made some clever signings, but even if they had their best eleven, liverpool should still be beating this team at home. Hull were the better team fir far too long for my liking. I just can't understand why there has been one good performance this season, but nothing seems to be getting done to sort it out.

El Diablo!

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What game were you watching Diablo? Hull had their moments yes ONLY because we were hesitant aties and they were playing on the counter which one should expect. They parked to buses and we still could have scored twice AND have one or two penalities. If that`s what you mean by being far better then I`ll take it. I do agree that we should b winning these games.

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25 Oct 2014 16:32:57
Frustrating. A team being anchored to play this way

Big Al

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I think Hull played well for parts of this game. We offered nothing. Wouldn't be surprised to see Hull nick this one at the end.

coop

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25 Oct 2014 16:16:47
Really poor, why no Couthino?, and for those that are constantly shouting up Sterling what are you watching because for 5 games now he's done nothing but run into blind alleys and pass when he should be shooting or vice versa, its just all poor

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25 Oct 2014 16:16:35
So hard to watch this game. We was by far the most exciting team to watch now it's boring slow passing football. Why on earth change the two upfront system?!

RedTwist

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25 Oct 2014 16:56:17
Because every striker we have fit is complete s**te mate. This season was over before a ball was kicked losing Suarez and buying this lot

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25 Oct 2014 16:14:13
BR seemed to have tactics last season. What has happened? Forget loss of strikers. Players don't know their roles. Why Balotelli still on? What is the point of depth if we rely on same under performers every game??

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25 Oct 2014 15:43:49
We are really hard on the eyes these days. Nobody looks like scoring. Link up play is non existent. For me, Bali has to come off, Coutinho on. No striker, but we aren't playing with one anyway and we would have more mobility

coop

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Ed001 if you are around, at what point now do you feel BR will change tactics i.e. move away from playing the type of game we have been playing this season?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I have no idea mate, he seems to be too stubborn to drop the failing tactics this early though. I would hope that he changes them now.}

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25 Oct 2014 15:37:06
I am starting to believe that Balotelli is key to our apathy. No runs behind defence which was so key last year. Not saying it is his fault, as he isn't the type of player. Just seems that Rodgers happier to have potential up top instead of hunger (lambert or borini)

coop

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First time poster here. A lethargic first half, can and Gerrard together makes us look slower, we are missing coutinio and his creativity, balotelli well nuff said I think. Great reading this page now I live across the pond, on another note the coverage for games is way better. I get to see every game with no substitution.(unlike sky)

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25 Oct 2014 15:27:01
Just heard a commentator say 'this is what liverpool were doing to teams last year'. He was talking about Hull. These truly are depressing times. Does every team play well against us, or are we that bad? Serious question, I can't tell.

HBRed

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Hull are far better organized and making crisp passes. We once again look like we are dealing with hangover.

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25 Oct 2014 15:10:21
I just watched the first 3 mins of the game
I think one of the eds is right

The centre backs split Gerard goes in between . He passed it the right back who was running down the wing
But he lost the ball and a huge space in the right back area was free and Ben arfa ran through and hull already had a chance

Too open so one of the eds was completely right tactically nothing will change

red lobster

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Have you only just noticed?
The centre backs have been splitting since Gerrard started playing in that position last season. We have been terrible defensively ever since. We got away with it so long because we had Suarez and Sturridge scoring for fun. Now we don't and we are suffering.
Time to change the formation and style of play to make the best out of the players we now have.

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As a result of this hapless system, we can now see why defenders who were good for their former clubs are struggling here. This system leaves them and the keeper far too exposed which makes it look like the defenders and GK aee weak BUT it s the system that makes them look weak. N BTW, No DM on the planet can cover the amount of gaps that are in our midfield and defence each time our fullbacks lose the ball.

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25 Oct 2014 15:05:08
Website for the match ?


Thanks

SaS

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Wiziwig always the best . Download sopcast to watch stream in high quality no buffering

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25 Oct 2014 14:54:24
There are no easy games in this league but this seems a good time to play Hull, down to their 3rd choice keeper and riddled with injuries from the front to the back. I must admit i'm surprised at the team selection, totally agree with Hendo being rested the lad needs it, but surely so does Gerrerd. If we can get a result today, then in the cup against Swansea confidence will be back going into an always tough game up in Newcastle. If everyone keeps the faith this team will come good, Sturridge must be back soon then the results will come.

One thing on a topic that will have been done to death, I have no problem with Balotelli swapping his shirt after he was asked, the main problem I have is the fact he's not scoring and the defense can't cope when the ball is in the air, there are much bigger problems the shirt swapping.

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Gerrard doesn't need to be rested, he needs to be dropped.

Harvo

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25 Oct 2014 16:04:43
Gerrard doesn't need to be rested, he needs to be dropped.
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And what did he do wrong today ?? posts such as this just based on hate nothing else. I don't like to pick on players, but if you really want to complain about players you will find our number 24 gave the ball far too cheaply many times

Roy

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The post was put up an hour before the match so had nothing to do with today's performance. On the season as a whole he's been our worst performing midfielder and hence should be dropped. Or are you another Brendan

Harvo

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Harvo, Gerrard hasn`t been good this year BUT over half the team have been poor. There are games which we have needed him and there are other games where he should have been dropped.

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25 Oct 2014 14:41:47
Even after not a great start, the league is not as bad as people think ! If we can kick off from NOW, we are still in reaching distance of a very good league position finish. A win today leaves us only 1 point behind Man City ! C'mon Liverpool YNWA

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25 Oct 2014 14:36:45
Hey lfc fans

I think today will be a struggle again I still don't think the balance is right in the team with the formation and the players brought in

He should of played boring an lambert up top with sterling behind or balotelli with someone up top

But anyway I agree with Gerard being replaced with another to give him a rest

Anyway still tough times for Liverpool and I think janairy is needed

But hey on another note . Sam bought well at west ham Valencia an sakho are really good an they have surprised me I can see why lfc lost at west ham

red lobster

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25 Oct 2014 14:12:36
Completely confused by the team choice. Why has he dropped Henderson; arguably our best player this season and kept Gerrard in? It's quite clear now that Brendan has no bottle. He is scared to drop the almighty Gerrard. Coutinho has been our best player since the international break, that's quite clear to everyone. Why is he not starting? Last but not least, Balotelli is starting again? When will we see the day where he gets dropped? How many games does he have to go goalless for him to be dropped? He clearly doesn't fit Brendan. Try something else.

Eusebio

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Agree 100% good mangers made big decisions and admit they got it wrong.Brenden you have lost your way

Clee Red

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25 Oct 2014 14:55:19
Why has he dropped Henderson; arguably our best player this season and kept Gerrard in? It's quite clear now that Brendan has no bottle
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Have you considered it might be injury and that Hendo might not be 100% fit

Roy

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Roy are you suggesting Gerrard is 100% fit then?

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25 Oct 2014 17:11:40
Mikey , I like Hendo and wish we had 4 or 5 like him in the team, but his game is all about energy and fitness, and if he is not 100% I would rather we rested him for a game or 2 and have him in his usual best for the next 4.
Gerrard, to start with many here like to see him dropped for the sake of it, because he is old , only few question if he is being played in the correct position, today in the last 30 minutes he pushed forward and was threatening , not his old self , yes; but he had more impact that the 2 forwards put together. I can't see anything wrong with Gerrards fitness, but I said it before, if its an issue I rather have 60 minutes of Stevie further up, than 90 minutes of him being a useless defensive midfielder or whatever BR wants to call it.

Roy

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25 Oct 2014 14:08:37
Team for today:

Mignolet, Manquillo, Moreno, Lovren, Skrtel, Gerrard, Allen, Can, Lallana, Sterling, Balotelli.

I expect there'll still be problems at DM, and I'm very disappointed not to see Coutinho.

Hope I'm wrong about this obviously, but it looks like it's going to be the same approach, same type of players as we've been trying all season. Performance will likely be patchy and disjointed.

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25 Oct 2014 14:25:53
Y'know, despite his trainwreck against QPR, I actually hope it's Can at DM today, since Lucas is quite clearly not getting back in unless there's an injury crisis, and Gerrard at DM is not working. because then there's a possibility that his performance against QPR was a once off poor performance and he'll take to the DM role well from now on.

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25 Oct 2014 14:02:43
Mingnolet manquillo skrtel lovren Moreno can Gerrard Allen lallana sterling balotelli . Very surprised to see Henderson dropped over Gerrard . Surely at gerrards age he has to be managed better . Played every minute this season . Time for other players to step up

Johnaldinioh

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Allen?????? God help us!

TDH

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Allen is a very good little player keeps the ball moving and can pick a pass . Absolutely delighted to see him start

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25 Oct 2014 14:02:17
Interesting to see Johnson and Henderson dropped (rested).

Can't understand how Mario is starting again!

Mr. T   Mr. T
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25 Oct 2014 13:30:13
I think the site needs one of those positive post days possibly even a week. And why not?

Does everyone on here being down saying we're awful and will lose against hull actually help anything?

Doesn't effect the team unless they read the site in which case it wouldn't help.

Same with br and especially Mario

And the main thing is it just makes the poster and the reader feel a bit worse and what the hell is the point in that?

I see us winning 6-0 today with a Henderson hatrick and balotelli Lambert and lalanna getting the others.

Will this happen probably not but why not hope for the best certainly makes me feel a bit better knowing that there's as good a chance of that as us losing every game now forever!

So chin up ! And critical analysation is perfectly fine and usually interesting but the we have no chance of top four posts or qualifying from cl group are just ridiculous and serve no purpose than making us feel worse

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Good work Shane.
Sadly some fans can't even be positive on match day.
Anyway, unlike Wednesday, the lucky pants are ON!
I'm going for a 3-1 win to LFC.

COME ON YOU REDS!!

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25 Oct 2014 13:20:22
Could anyone recommend a good site to stream todays game? When I streamed the WBA game I could only find either poor quality or a foreign channel that adverts kept interrupting the game.

NE_red

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Firstrowsports.eu

Usually works for me

Wiziwig

If first row doesn't work

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Eplsite.com is the best one for me

Walkon94

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Cheers for the replies

NE_red

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25 Oct 2014 13:16:03
West ham playing well, brought in some good players too.

Big Sam to take the helm?

Haha Thought I'd have a laugh before I'm hacked off for another weekend after hull beat us at anfield.

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Super aril have to agree, they are fast, very fit and very aggressive. They may not hold on for the win but they are really putting it up to Man City.
Why do so many teams look fitter and more aggressive than us?

Good solid de else too and a keeper who is getting lots of back passes and is clearings early really well. Midfield are chasing everyone down, God is what we are trying to do but failing so so miserably.

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Haha nice one mario! be careful though you'll probably get an earful for this one! lol

TDH

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25 Oct 2014 13:08:42
Message to our great scouting staff, including academy. Look closer to our own city for talent. Watching west ham and Aron cresswell impresses more and more, another scouser that slipped our great scouting system

Cole25

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25 Oct 2014 13:35:35
Really? You think Aaron Cresswell is the answer? Haha. He's nothing special. Moreno is twice the player. If we have this mentality that scousers should prioritise over foreign players then that's when we struggle.

Eusebio

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Cresswell has been struggling most of the season, he is lazy and can't defend, which is why he slipped down the leagues in the first place. True example of MOTD fever from someone who hasn't watched him play before and sees him have a few good moments playing against an out of form Navas and being very heavily protected by the midfield.}

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25 Oct 2014 12:22:00
So brenda has said he want's to manage in spain some day. The only thing he will manage in spain is a pub or cafe.

always right

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He will manage in Madrid soon enough when we play them there, that's as close as he will get to a big job over there at this rate though.

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25 Oct 2014 11:49:04
Lets have a look at the future.
Who are the young.players that will be the future?
I don't see suso, texeira or ibe having a real chance in the future. Any player that's done well on loan i.e suso and Lori have been shipped out again or left on the sidelines. Sterling came through because he was talented and we were short on options.
Markovic has been.purchased, ballo and lallana. Where are the.kids getting a run in? The defense we had McLaughlin, he never got a crack likewise kelly returning from injury.
I would like a top goalkeeper purchased( from sales) and ship out players who ( a) are overpaid ( b) not good enough and ( c) blocking younger.players having a chance. Enrique, Johnson, mignolet, skittles, borini are stand out for me. But with BR in charge, I see more incomings of players and younh quailty players beeing abandoned. Hopefully we finish in the top4 by the end.of the season, get BR to change a lot of things or go. We simply cannot spend, spend and lose young.potentially top players. A defensive coach is needed and a new.transfer commitee but.i personally wouldn't give anyone a penny next summer. there's a huge amount of talent in our squad. Better coaching is needed

Big Al

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Personally i think if the kids are good enough then they will get the chance to prove themselves. A lot is made of our youngsters but how many go pn to make a carreer at a top club when they leave us? Maybe they are not at the level required. It will be interesting to see how Suso gets on when he leaves.

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25 Oct 2014 11:19:11
So the manager has said no Defense coach will be brought in.
Now what?
BR didn't fix the defensive frailties last year, he hasn't improved the Defense this season (actually we've conceeded more), so can someone tell me what they think BR will do now as he is not bringing in help?

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25 Oct 2014 10:41:48
Ballotelli and lambert have not been great so far so obviously struggling up top without Sturridge, gerrards legs have gone so what about stevie gee up top, great shot, great header great touch and link up then We will have more legs in midfield

Cole25

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25 Oct 2014 10:58:25
Do you know that most of the time, when you ask a player who's 34 to play a position he's played only once in his life (against Bolton in 2005, I believe) it doesn't work? There's more to being a striker than technique. Otherwise there wouldn't be an issue with Balotelli.

Lambert's barely gotten a chance, why not give him a go before we try to shoehorn Gerrard (or Sterling) into the position?

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Your right mate but gerrard can play anywere and our strikers apart from Sturridge are doing nothink

Cole25

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25 Oct 2014 14:01:34
He has a a great array of talents, Gerrard, but that doesn't mean he can be effective in any position he's asked to play. If he played as a striker he'd either struggle with the movement required from the position (since he has no experience of playing there) or gravitate towards his natural game and drop into an attacking midfield role to get on the ball facing the opposition, leaving us with no striker, a tactic that very few teams can make work.

This isn't FIFA 15 where you can stick someone out of position if they have the raw stats to suit.

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25 Oct 2014 10:36:40
So King Kenny has come out and said he didn't have a problem with Mario swapping jerseys at half time yet there are guys on here losing the plot that he did.

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The King is just trying to defuse the situation

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Or Kenny realises in modern football it doesn't matter a damn if he swaps jerseys or not.
In the same way it doesn't matter if opposition players share a joke during a game or have a laugh.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - nonsense, of course it matters. Kenny is doing what he believes is right for the club, that is all. I guarantee if he had been in charge Mario would have had a strip torn off him for that.}

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Let's not forget Kenny thought wearing the T-shirts in response to Suarez's Evra dispute was a good idea.
That was one of the main reasons Kenny lost his job.

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25 Oct 2014 09:41:18
Another weekend, another game, another set of talking points.

We've been very poor thus far and there's not much to take out of the Real madrid game except that IMO we at least tried (something that was missing against QPR).

So we sit 5th in the league - not bad considering the performance; more worrying is the distance between us and 1st place.

Remember the beginning of last season didn't see us running away with the league; however for me the main difference is the "tweaks" BR was making to the team were working; they aren't at the moment.

Here's hoping Henry comes and gives him a kick up the backside and BR starts getting things right.

I'm going for another nervy 3-2 win today!

Enjoy your day fellow reds!

Hoola

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25 Oct 2014 09:34:06
Alright eds, since we're all talking about signings again after blowing 100 million! Is there any chance of offering Suarez player manager role since he carried us last season👍

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25 Oct 2014 01:45:36
I think we need to get Lucas back in the team. At least until we can replace him with a quality DM. It's time to sort out that defence by playing Toure and Sakho. Get a bit of leadership and aggression back there, and no more of this centre back splitting, it is asking for trouble when you don't have the players to do it. We need the fullbacks to defend first and only attack when necessary. At least one fullback should stay back at all times. Defend first and then attack. We don't have the fire power to win games in the manner we did last season, so let's sort out this defence and start performing.

Red Rum

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I agree with almost everything you say here.

The real AG

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Red Rum I agree with what you are saying but would you bench Stevie to make way for Lucas? It would be a brave move by BR to do so especially when we need leaders on the pitch to get us out of this bad run.

NRed

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It seems that for many people the fact that we perform badly implies that the people who are not playing must be better, as a default. Well it doesn't always work like this. As much as the players who do play are doing a bad job, it is possible that those who are on the bench are even worse. This applies to Lambert (although I do hope if he starts today he plays better and ascore), to Lucas who wasn't very impressive when he played last season and definitley to Toure who, for me, was one of our worst defenders last season.

fanobip

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Maybe its time for Hendo to step up when we don't have Stevie NRed? I seem to remember Hendo performing very well when Stevie was out last time. Now he's the vice captain, I have full faith in him to take over when needed. then let Stevie rip teams apart for 2nd half.

Kaizer

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I'd play can and Henderson in holding roles for a mix of their athleticism, work rate and presence and Gerrard, sterling and coutinhio in front with God knows who up front at the moment because neither of our 3 fit strikers fit our way of playing or have the ability required.

bon

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Bon, as Hodgson is starting to realise, playing Hendo in the holding midfield role is like buying a porsche for the school run: it'll do the job fine but you aren't making use of any of its qualities!

If you play him as a defensive midfielder Hendo can't press in the same way for fear of destroying the team shape, can't break forward for the same reason and always seems more cautious on the ball, I don't know why that is!

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25 Oct 2014 10:17:16
lucas was our best player before he got injured,sometimes after a long injury a player can't get back to his old form.
i think Lucas has this problem he better move to italy were the pace is slower.
lucas is top bloke never said a bad word a always gave 200%.
Malta

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25 Oct 2014 10:34:43
I agree. Our players are not good enough to score 3/4 goals. Without Sturridge I'd take a scrappy win until

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25 Oct 2014 14:04:33
@ vlr - what injury are you talking about?

If it's the knee injury he got against Chelsea when Kenny was the manager, he seemed fine for the first half of last season, so I don't think that's done him.

And if it's the injury he got last year, he's barely been given a chance in his best position since, has he? So I don't know how anyone could make a judgment on whether he's over the injury or not.

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24 Oct 2014 22:23:56
When everyone says Liverpool have lost their attack this season.

After 8 BPL games we have scored 13 goals. The exact same amount we had scored after the same amount of games last year. And this is with the misfiring Balotelli upfront, with sturridge back upfront we will start to score more.

However this stage last year we had conceeded 7 compared to this years 12.

poipoilo10

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There lies the problem, bro.

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24 Oct 2014 20:48:28
Anyway, there is a match to be won this weekend. A win will see us move into the top 4 (surprisingly enough). So it could be worse i guess. We are not hovering in mid table! Imagine what we could doif we find a bit of form? It might only take a few good games, a couple of clean sheets and a Mario brace to get us up and running. We all know what football is like!

The Irish Rover

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24 Oct 2014 23:13:51
Can you really see it happening Irish.i ve posted before that we are not in bad position thanks to most of our rivals not doing well either. The concern I have, I can't see that spark that will trigger good performances.

Roy

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But we have to believe it will happen as much as it doesn`t look likely, atm.

redohio

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I am always of the belief that football is 50% ability and 50% confidence. It is the same squad as last year bar 1. I hope it will happen.

The Irish Rover

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What's the point in not believing we will find a spark? It doesn't help the team and probably just makes you feel worse. a bit of blissful thinking never does any harm as our opinions have basically zilch effect on what happens anyway

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24 Oct 2014 20:46:46
I am going to stick up for Brendan Rodgers. Fans yet again are throwing in the towel and sulking again. He gave us hope last year and ok our form has dipped but last stand by him and support him. We are on the up with 7 out of 9 points in the league and can make it 10 out of 12 tomorrow. So let's wait and support the bloke.

Mighty reds

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Spot on, Mighty! We have to stand by him BUT he has to show some ambition and willingness to accept the help that everyone including myself thinks he needs when it comes to tactics, defensive organization and especialyy transfers.

redohio

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Good post mate.

Red Rum

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24 Oct 2014 20:32:47
Hello all,
This site is beyond depressing lately(much like our form).
I just wanted to say that although Big Ballo is massively annoying at the moment, I feel he is getting a bit of a hard time.
We were always going to struggle after losing Suarez. We need to stop expecting Balo to save the day.
I personally wouldn't drop him tomorrow as it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
He is, unfortunately, probably the best striking option we have right now.

I'd personally like to see him partnered with Sterling tomorrow and see what happens.
I know he's been a bit crap, but I think blaming him for the teams inadequacies is a bit much.

RustyRed

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24 Oct 2014 20:53:02
I don't think anyone's under illusion about other areas of the team. Balotelli scoring a goal every time he touches the ball won't enable us to defend set pieces, make Jonno into a footballer again, and make Gerrard into as good a defensive midfielder as he is an attacking midfielder. And of course, any player can have a bad patch.

But Balo isn't helping himself by projecting the image of a man who does not give a fiddlers and is not willing to put any extra effort in to get over his bad patch. I think the annoyance and anger at him is justified.

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I didn't say he was the answer for all the teams inadequacies. All I said was we should get off his back a little. One man doesn't make a team, and personally I would like to see him do well because like it or not he is our main striker at the moment.

Every man and his dog knows that he's not performing particularly well on his own up front, so why not try him with someone else.

RustyRed

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You`re both right. Balo is not the reason we are leaking goals and have been for two yrs. That is BR`s problem to sort out. Everybody NEEDS to do their jobs. Balo has to do his job and try to score or play well and show the effort and attitude that proves he is capable of either scoring or assisting goals. BR has to do his job by for making a conscious effort to fix our defensive issues and agree to seek help in some areas where he is clearly deficient in communication, transfers, etc.). Until that happens, we continue to stuggle. I do agree that Balo should NOT be the scapegoat when we lose or draw because he gets NO credit either when we win.

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24 Oct 2014 19:11:00
Hi everyone, a couple of weeks ago
I posted about the LFC tv channel on the Virgin media XL package, well i just got an email from the LFC customer service team to my question regarding why i couldn't watch the youth games, the club have decided to start charging £7:00 subscription and it will be removed from the XL package from the 28th October, what will they charge for next? needless to say i will not be subscribing and i am starting to hate greedy English football.

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I know what you mean mate. A few years ago I subscribed to sky sports, then I had to add espn, then I downgraded to just ss1 and added BT due to the cost and this week I had to upgrade to the full sky sports package to get ss5. It's ridiculous mate and something needs to be done about it.

Red Rum

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24 Oct 2014 19:36:27
Oh and the first 2000 customers get a free remote control.joke would they not make enough from the endless ads that's on.

Tommy Irish Red

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24 Oct 2014 20:39:36
I don't subscribe to sky sports - refuse to pay the ransom.
I get BT Sports free, otherwise I wouldn't pay the ransom for that either.
It was nice being able to watch the league games in full a day or 2 later on LFCTV plus see a lot of the youth and U21 games.
Guess that's gone now (well. from 28/10/14)
Just like F1, Rugby, Cricket. . .the people who can't afford to have sky sports don't get to see it.
Hopefully there's a big change coming where it'll be like it is in Germany. £10.00 a ticket for a live game and discounted/free travel when you have that ticket.
They don't seem to have any trouble attracting/keeping top players and paying a decent wage either.

RedAllOverButNotSore

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Not sure about 'decent wage', but BVB's wage bill is less than half of ours, as an example.

RDL

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I am now seriously thinking of jibbing Virgin XL package as well, i'm tired of 20 minutes of adverts per hour and the endless repeats, some as old as the 60's ? Gunsmoke? watched that when i was a kid! i'm near 62 now? if the LFC channel goes then i will think about getting shut, i don't have Sky i would rather cut my wrists.

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Nevere fear reds. You can buy an android box from play.com for £65 you then get a fibre optics router and plug in. You will then get all LFC games whether 3 o clock finish or other time via NBCSN crystal clear.

All perfectly legal and above board.

Jonesred

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Got a link for this android box? Sounds worth a punt

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Yeah I got an android box and if you get a good lan cable you can watch any sporting event even all youth games if they're televised anywhere in the world and they're perfect quality of you have a good download spspeed

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25 Oct 2014 15:12:34
You can buy them on amazon and play.com mate cost between £50-90.

Jonesred

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