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20 Oct 2014 13:20:41
The earlier reference to Dirk is a painful comparison to Balotelli.

I loved old Dirk attitude but he struggled at first out there was never any doubt about his fantastic work rate. As all romantics do I thought Balotelli would seize this opportunity and fulfil his potential
with us. He may yet prove me wrong
but he has natural ability but that is not enough. His decision making is shocking. His awareness and positional play is poor and can not seem even to kick a ball straight.

He has been massively over indulged by anxious clubs desperate to show they have not made a mistake in buying him. The contrast is poignant with Ricky Lambert who we are all willing for it all to work out for him.

I think personally balo is an immature feckless spoilt young man who I wouldn't let any where near the club

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20 Oct 2014 11:38:46
Just watching the FC Twente v Ajax game and 2 players that really stand out are Miyaichi and Corona. . would love to see these guys at Liverpool, they look very similar to a young suarez and mascherano. anyone know if we have ever had these 2 watched??

CoatbridgeRed

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20 Oct 2014 10:05:21
Yesterday was exactly the sort of game United used to win, when they were winning the league and not playing well at times. So we need to start being positive for the sake of the team. Just think back how many time did we draw or lose on the back of United winning a game like that. We won not pretty but we won. let's hope brendan puts a rocket up his ass and get the teams mojo back. If we do we will be fine . Maybe take a risk up front with a youngster. Heads up men we will be ok on wed night. YNWA

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20 Oct 2014 09:48:42
Just a thought here lads but a lot of people are divided about Balotelli and are also saying he's only worth 10-15 goals a season,
Dirk Kuyt would have got that many and made everyone look daft with his work rate whether he's 34 or not,
Also we missed a big trick with not getting Xabi back, he'd have been perfect to get a grip on games like yesterday
Just a thought
YNWA

The Guv

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The biggest problem with ballotelli is he gets thrown up front by himself. He is not a lone striker.
He will improve as soon as we play 2 up front every game!

MikeD86

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20 Oct 2014 11:23:37
Completely agreed with MikeD86. Talks of selling him in January are ridiculous. Like many players, Balotelli is a confidence footballer. Once he gets his first league goal, he will put a good run of form together.

His slowness to react to the quick free kick for the first goal is a fine example of how he hasn't quite adapted back to the speed of the Premier League. He will get there.

LFC_Londoner

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I don't know if he will play better with a strike partner. Everyone keeps saying this but in my opinion at this level he should be able to play as a lone striker. It seems like another excuse for his poor displays.

Red Rum

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20 Oct 2014 12:20:24
Not sure it's correct to blame your form on that. He's still a striker missing open goals.

WelshBoyDave

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The problem with your assertion that he isn't a lone striker is that, when every1 quoted the stats of his goals for AC milan, he was playing as a lone striker. So you have the stats that every 1 clung onto about his goalscoring in the serie A, indicative he can do it alone, then you have the argument, he only gets goals when he's playing along side another striker. see the contradiction there?

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20 Oct 2014 08:24:38
The main problem I see with us is that there is no link up play between defence, midfield and forwards. I do not see an issue with the players we have but I believe they are not able to adjust to the way BR wants them to play. next is Hull another tricky game and I would say why not try 2-5-3 formation with balo and borini up front. Anyhow we are leaking goals. Atleast the formation might solve goalscoring problems.

SASHA YNWA

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20 Oct 2014 06:27:00
I don't understand this "Balotelli works hard" comments. Working hard is a pre-requisite if you want to be a professional footballer, let alone pay for LFC. He was terrible yesterday and I have not seen a worse performance form a LFC striker back to the dark days of David N'Gog playing up front for LFC. He needs to start scoring goals, or be dropped.

Enrique p11sed me big time yesterday. We all know he has this penchant for holding on to the ball even though usually there is an easier pass on. He does this regularly, just as if to show off his physical strength, and invites challenges and puts us in trouble over and over again and yesterday was a classic example of how incompetent his play is.

The defending in general was pathetically poor, and has been for quite a long time. 1 clean sheet in 17 games? Managers have been sacked in shorter number of games! Whatever BR and his buddies are doing regarding the defending, it is clearly not working. If he keeps procrastinating the issue (he did do it last season, and could afford to because we had Suarez and Studge up top.), it could well be his undoing.

We were very lucky yesterday, and barring Sterling, Coutinho and Allen, I thought everyone else was decidedly average (Enrique was amateurish). That was our 11th game of the season, and we have only performed well in 1 of them. Nevertheless, a win is a win and it is quite incredible that we find ourself in 5th place in the table, still in the League cup and in a half decent position in our CL group.

Now that we have won 2 in a row, here is hoping some of the players pulls their pants-up and the manager starts screwing around and fixes issues which have been inherent.

The real AG

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In all honesty, I would take what we have now, which is playing badly and getting results, than playing well and finishing with nothing like Swansea are. Obviously I want us to perform well and get 3 points, but I'd rather the former than the latter.

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20 Oct 2014 09:58:35
I agree but I wasn't that impressed with Coutinho or Allen. They were both caught in possession a few times. Admittedly, Phil scored (a deflected) goal and it was lovely ball for the third but he doesn't always do enough for me. And Allen's the same.
We need more leaders, all over the park.

Rigsby

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20 Oct 2014 10:58:37
Nice one Real AG.

daveybootle

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Allen had no impact on the game whatsoever.Don't turn on balotelli so soon ag give him time

Jessie Pinkman

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Brilliant from The Real AG. Enrique, the incredible pirouetting footballer.
He is like a dog chasing his tail.
He has a nice simple pass on but why do that when you can do a 360 degree turn and then give that same simple pass. It slows everything down.
Awful. but sadly yesterday he had loads of his teammates in that same category of shizzle!
Stick that in the "we played crap but won section and never speak of it again"

jonnybarnes89-90

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To be fair Coutinho came on and changed the game. He wasn't amazing but we looked better when he came on. Hopefully we will put in a good performance on Wednesday. I am a tad nervous though.

Red Rum

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If it was up to me he'd be treated exactly the same as Borini and Lambert, regardless of cost and experience. Whoever performs better should get selected. I find it difficult to believe that Balo is trying the hardest in training and I hope BR isn't frightened to drop him.

Red Rum

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19 Oct 2014 22:22:04
Hi Ed001,

Just wondering whether you still believe Lovren is a top cb after recent performances? (Poor positioning/rash challenges/poor passing)

Also, is it true that BR wants Sakho out? Would be a real shame if he went, he is easily our best cb. I just can't see how a manager can be so stupid as BR is being at the moment.

Cheers

almaccinio

Ed01{Ed001's Note - he has shown he is, so clearly it is not him that is the issue. As for Sakho, yes it is true.}

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Ed001. About Lovren, you say it is not his fault he's playing bad, what is the problem do you think? Also with Sakho why do you think he is on the way out? Do you think Rodgers is a poor defensive coach, they seem to be getting progressively worse at defending in his time at the club

Jeraldo

Ed01{Ed001's Note - the problem is that he is playing with a bunch of players who have no idea how to defend. The coaching staff have to take the blame. I don't know what they are doing when they practice defending set pieces, but it is not working. The man on the post doesn't know how to guard a post. No one defends the area in front of the post, which is vital. As for the rest, playing the system Rodgers wants forces the defenders into positions that involve them being in bad positions, so positionally it must be very confusing. As a centre back, you want to stay central and close to your partner at all times, yet the first thing they are told to do is split when we get the ball. They should stay in their positions unless needing to move to pick up the ball, in which case someone else should immediately drop in to cover the gap. Why split? Why can't the full backs receive the ball out wide there? Why does a central midfielder need to drop back at all? Why can't they stay a few yards further forward, pushing the opposition midfield back a bit to give the defenders space to pass the ball around at the back if they want. Instead of dropping back and inviting the opposition to press and steal the ball higher up the pitch. What happened to team cohesion? Why is there none at all? We are playing a system which relies on one man, the defensive midfielder, to cover any gaps that appear at the back, but then playing a system that leaves 3 gaps at the back on every attack, as both full backs bomb forward and then the centre backs split. So you have a huge hole in both full back areas and between the centre backs who are in no man's land. You can't expect one man to fill that and you can't expect the centre backs to cover the centre and the full back positions.}

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Completely agree with you Ed001
Defensively it needs coaching much better
At the other end of the pitch in January I would buy (and I said this last season when he would have been MUCH cheaper) Saido Berahino

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Berahino would have been a good signing; I can see flashes of Daniel Sturridge in the guy. Realistically, I think he would be a good addition to the squad (if Balotelli and Borini were to be sold).

The real AG

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20 Oct 2014 08:06:24
Ed001, totally share your frustration mate.

Makes me cry how many times we've got to dick around with the defence in various formations. Houllier and Benitez had many faults (albeit Houllier's main one was his health, unfortunately), but they knew that you can't win anything without a solid defence. Unfortnately, the special one is proving that again too.

I'm loving the attacking flair from last year, but without it, all you have is a leaky defence. I also can't understand why we are buying players to ruin them a la Sakho, Lovren etc!?! We had recently bought a player who, on paper at least, looks like he could have the speed and flexibility to play in such a role - half CB half FB. However, my thoughts can only be based on an 'on paper' discussion as we haven't seen him play and he's been sent out on loan again!

What is happening to my beloved team?

Zeddicus

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Not having a go at anyone directly, but it is true some players get slammed for not trying and other players it's not their fault they look rubbish.

We don't give all our players the same chances it seems.

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20 Oct 2014 11:30:24
Zeddicus ed01, bang on both of you, if br wants to play this way a fast footballing cb is required, Ilori could have at least been tried!!, the other alternative, if br wants fbs both bombing forward is 3 across the back and release sg into central midfield? Maybe that solves 1 problem.

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20 Oct 2014 00:15:31
Was at the game today in with the QPR fans. first time doing that. was frustrating holding my emotions in but tbh by the end i felt sorry for them as really they did deserve the win overall.
Ugly as sin win. haha. oh well 3 points.

positives. Raheem was good, Coutinho looked hungry again and changed the game, loved his throughball just before the winner, really hope he can get back to the confidence he had preseason. hopefully he's been lifted by his brazil recall, Allen coming back is a big boost to the squad.

we've got a prob with balotelli though as he obviously needs confidence and needs gametime but while he got in the box a bit more, his attitude was really poor today, terrible face on all game, head going down, whinging if the ball wasn't put right at his feet and you can see it affect the team spirit. which is what defined us last season.

it's a shame as i think the team were all gearing up for sturridge's return and 2 up top so that must have been a big blow to the squad.

i don't know why mario's so afraid of smiling in games as his smile is world class and would cheer anyone up and bring something to the team. !
so my solution to spread good vibes is for the fans to try and make him laugh haha

i know he's not playing well but i really think if we keep getting on his back it's going to be really bad news for the squad so i say support the lad, he will score in the league soon and will hopefully grow into the club. he's been rushed into being a focal point earlier than anyone would have intended and it's not his natural game.

anyway meandering over. hope you had a good weekend eds and reds.

spoonlord

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I agree but if he dared to smile most people would probably take that as more of a sign that he doesn't care. Balotelli did not become a bad player overnight. Once the system clicks I'm convinced he'll do well.

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19 Oct 2014 20:33:55
This is going to sound very strange & I can't believe I'm saying it myself: I think balotelli is just lacking in confidence & self belief, the lad has tbf worked quite hard for him ( he's certainly never going to have Suarez work rate) I personally can see enough to think he cares & is trying & when he gets the luck of the first few goals in consecutive games he'll be at his lethal best it believe it will come.

not one of harrys

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What exactly do you see as his lethal best? His highest goal scoring season ever was the last one for Milan with 14 goals, 7 of which were penalties and free kicks. I think he's simply overrated by most and is what he is- a decent, but not especially prolific, creative or mobile, striker.

RDL

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19 Oct 2014 21:47:29
All I can see is an overpaid and overrated footballer who thinks he's better than he is.

Work hard? He's a lazy arse who only cares about himself.

Stick Lambert upfront, at least he will seem like he wants to play. Plus, Lambert has a good goalscoring record in the premier league. Balotelli doesn't.

Eusebio

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A lot of our players lack confidence and self belief. Him, Markovich, Can, Lambert, Lovern, Mignolet, Sakho and I can go on for ever. All are way way off what they showed in the past. Why is that is a different question

fanobip

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No way, he's a terrible attidude, holding he's head because he was ruffed up a bit , for a full minute n the ball passed within yards of him n he couldn't get over he's sore head to stick in a challenge and qpr nearly scored, face it , we've lost the hardest working centre forward in the world n replaced him with the laziest n most rotten

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After seeing the highlights on motd, what a miss.

Looks like he is finding it very hard to adapt to Rodgers system. Is it his ego, language barrier, technical competence, work ethic, increased expectation? Probably a mix of all these things.

You have to question whether he will get there and when he will start to produce.

. Meanwhile the pressure mounts.

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20 Oct 2014 00:30:51
Lads I know Balotelli had a stinker today but if we don't get behind him it will only get worse. The lad had his whole country turn on him after the world cup and has had to deal with immense pressure from the English media. A few sessions with Steve Peters might help but in the meantime we need to show Mario that HE ISN'T WALKING ALONE.

barnesjnr777

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20 Oct 2014 01:40:21
I'm still on the Balotelli bandwagon. He's going to come good, and we have to keep believing that. Well said Barnesjnr777. I was frustrated by his performance as well, but he's a striker. All strikers have those moments.

TjRed

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Curious what people generally mean by Balotelli 'coming good'? 5 goals this season? 10? 15? 20? Personally I can't see him getting more than 10 or so, but am interested in what others are thinking.

RDL

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I hope he comes good, but it does look like he is noting more than an average striker with a career goals to game ratio of an average striker.

I am not sure how were are going to do in our cup competitions, so, just on the PL, I think he would get around 7-10 goals.

The real AG

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Where was all this negativity when we originally signed him?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - maybe they were like me? I said it was a mistake and why I thought so, then kept out of it and hoped to be proven wrong. I am sure most were doing the same.}

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Or it's easier to jump on a bandwagon than get it rolling ed. >>:)

Ed01{Ed001's Note - possibly. I know a lot of people disagreed with me, but there were also a lot who felt the same way, that his signing was a mistake.}

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20 Oct 2014 11:31:09
I'll be honest, I was excited by his signing. However, most of what I knew about him was the hype surrounding him, and the edited highlights, during his time with City. I didn't watch full City matches, as I only have time to do that with Liverpool!

I wish I had before jumping on the bandwagon. He may come good and work better with a partner, but his body language just sucks. He may have more talent than most other players, but his application just seems to be non-existent. This is now the 3rd or 4th match I've watched (albeit on the TV) where I think he is a passenger for the most part.

It seems as thought, collectively, we are trying to justify the hype by saying "give him a chance", "he worked well for the team", "he's improving" etc etc. Its almost like we are indulging a child.

I really do hope that this is just an aura he exudes and that as another poster said, he just needs that first EPL goal to unlock his dynamism. Because at the moment, much as it pains me, Arsenal definitely got the better £16m striker.

Zeddicus

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19 Oct 2014 20:17:56
Eds reds well redmen where do we go from here? Lots on here, including me, wanted stevieg played further forward, he'd didn't affect the game very much in the first half but ran the show in the second half. That maybe answers the question? Sterling was fantastic today, shoved it up hodgson and the other ---- who had a go! Coutinho was good when he came on and good to see allen back to, roll on studge being back, god we miss him!!, the defence? Where does that come from ? CRAP, !. Johnson and enrique comeing in the same match? The two cbs all over the place. Migs great saves but comeing out??. Its a rollercoaster ride watching us! But its our LIVERPOOL!! Please god we can pull out a performance on wednesday! Come on redmen.

steviep62

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19 Oct 2014 22:40:51
Gerrard didn't effect the game in the first half because he never saw the ball we struggled to bring it beyond the halfway line. I think Can's struggles at DM played a part in that, although he alone wasn't to blame.

"Running the game" would be a significant exaggeration of Gerrard's performance in the second half, but both he and Can did improve a lot when they swapped places at half time.

But we already know that Gerrard at DM is quite prone to not working. And sorry for being a broken record, the solution isn't moving him back there; The solution is Lucas at DM.

- Something Red -

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Lucas, Suso and Borini are 3 players BR doesn't want in his squad and as such, they are regularly ignored.

The real AG

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19 Oct 2014 19:46:34
The best thing about the game today - just imagine how gutted the Man Utd supporters would have been when the 2nd own goal went in!

Heighway patrol

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19 Oct 2014 21:34:16
And it's this kind of post that shows u all up lol u really think we care two hoots wotu done today? We have a game tomorrow and that's far more relevant and important to us.

The funny thing is u were playing the bottom team, a team getting whippings on a weekly basis mate and u made them look like CL candidates.

Yes we are very gutted lol!

CTR

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19 Oct 2014 23:30:51
How did Utd get on against Leicester?

Essexred84

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Who did we beat before QPR?

By the way, you did well to get a point off Burnley.

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20 Oct 2014 00:04:36
Who cares about utd fans and what they think talk to the hand.

Tommy Irish Red

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The fox's CRT need I say more

REDMICK

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CTR mk dons made you look like a team in a league two relegation fight, what's your point?

S7 a S31 a S15

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If you care so much, why are you on here regularly CTR?

The real AG

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There should have been a "don't" after "you" in my previous post.

The real AG

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20 Oct 2014 08:01:58
Was that the first you or the second you, AG? ;)

Completely disagree with comments from OP. I couldn't give a rat's wotsit about United, or any other team, tbh. I only care about how we are playing and our results.

If we start worrying about other teams, we may as well start wearing blue and being bitter.

zeddicus

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19 Oct 2014 19:30:34
Any chance Brendan is playing 'the old limping tiger' trick with Sturridge to have him ready for the CL?

I think I can remember instances when managers have claimed injury to key players only for them to appear on the team sheet. Definitely an easy way to try to disrupt opponents game plans.

Think we'll need all the help we can get for that one.

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It is more sophisticated than that. Hi is resting him for next season.

fanobip

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19 Oct 2014 20:40:40
Ah yes, the old 'Lets finish seventh trick'.
Not sure itll work as well this time round.

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19 Oct 2014 19:26:02
Can I add that I had Vargas in my FIFA14 Liverpool team for a couple of seasons when my transfer budget was limited. He was really good then started moaning about money so I sold him.

I had no idea he was still playing so when he came of the bench (in real life )I knew what would happen. He was desperate just to spite me personally

He owes his career to me ungrateful toe rag.

redmarx

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19 Oct 2014 19:25:43
Don't want to moan too much we had a few passengers today so players I will praise and can say they had a good match imo. mignolet, Johnson, can, Gerrard, Allen, countinho, sterlingmotm, Henderson.Can done well for his first match I think he will play much better good to see Allen back sturridge please get well soon.

Tommy Irish Red

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Agree with all except Mingolet. He was shambolic when Johnson had to clear off the line, terrible positioning for their first, beaten by a soft header at his near post for their second and must've gifted the opposition possession with every long pass he played. The rest of those you said were good, spot on.

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Chaps, with respect - to say they were good is a tad polite !

halflot

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What game were you 2 watching, they were second best all afternoon.

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Agree with all that you said had a good game, have to agree with EMS Migs made some amazing saves but looks weak on crosses, corners .

Look on the bright side 3 points & no new injuries

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Credit to Raheem tho - he worked hard and ultimately impacted the result.

halflot

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Mignolet was good at what he is good at and poor at what he is poor at! We at least know what to expect!
But with that defence in front of him he deserves a medal! Although the term defence may breach the trade description act!
The fact that the personnel was different just highlights that its the team style rather than the individuals that are at fault.
I have no faith in BR ability to organise even the most basic of defensive capabilities that I urge him to get help!
I agree that Can was ok today, Hendo, Sterling the only others though. Gerrard improved us defensively when he dropped deeper as his positioning was a little smarter.
But a poor performance overall is only tempered by a positive and very welcome result.

Sirshanks

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19 Oct 2014 21:10:34
EMS Imo mignolet done well to stay big in a few of the situations his cbs put him in and a few world class saves to keep us in the match .should Vargas really have got that header towards goal, I know he needs to be more commanding of his area but skrtel and lovren seem a bit soft for me whatever is going on with them they r better players than we seen today for me mignolet had good game imo but I respect your opinion as always.

Tommy Irish Red

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Tommy,

With respect, you name EIGHT players whom you consider to have had a 'good game'?
If that's the case then we are in a deeper darker hole than i originally thought.
If that god awful, embarrassing performance came with the majority of the team having a 'good game' then all hope is now sadly lost!

sivy1001

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I thought Mignolet had a great game, don't think he could have done much about the goals tbh. The second goal was more johnson getting in his way, and there was nothing he could do about the first. I've not been his biggest admirer, but credit where credits due.

The Shrewsbury Red

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20 Oct 2014 00:26:17
With respect sivy 4 passengers is a lot at premiership level some players had decent games not enough to be blamed imo for a poor showing so the players not named need to stand up and perform better r they won't be liverpool players for too long they r letting themselves and there teammates down we got 3points today with the spine of the team damaged with players not performing cbs brutal centre forward brutal so to wonder how I can praise the other 8 players they were carrying 4 passengers throughout this match the players I think need to get a grip skrtel, lovren maybeI'm Being too hard on him Enrique, ballotelli

Tommy Irish Red

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19 Oct 2014 18:42:29
I can't understand what happened today
I'm going to see if there will be an investigation into far eastern betting patterns
Whatever happened we were damned lucky!

Philistine

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My friend, it doesn't matter either way if there is an investigation into betting patterns. Those in the msm won't reveal it to the general public anyways, I cannot disclose why on here.

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19 Oct 2014 18:38:26
I think Balotelli needs to be given a box of matches and a box of fireworks in a pet shop. He only seems to be any good when he's up to mischief.

Robbiefowlerslittleboots

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19 Oct 2014 18:31:02
I'd be fuming if I was Borini or Lambert.
Regardless of cost, what chance do either have of any first team football when Balotelli can play this badly over so many games and still stay in the team? They deserve a run of games, at least give them a chance to be better than Mario.

WelshBoyDave

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You don't get fuming so quickly when you are paid 20k a week. Both knew this season they will start on the bench at best. They both got some chances including starti ng games. I don't remember either of them scoring a hatrick. Lambert when played was poor and at awe of the situation. Balotelli is at least scary enough to make some defenders score own goals.

fanobip

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19 Oct 2014 18:29:18
Mario just needs a goal and he was in position for both the own goals, and would have (hopefully) just tapped them in of it fell to him. He said he needs to get in the box more, and has done so, contributing to the two own goals, i bet bother teams would have preferred him to tap them in too!

Fencey   Fencey
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I agree with you and a goal will do him the world of good, we got the 3 points and are fifth despite only playing well v spurs in one game when we paired dan with balotelli up front, we must improve for midweek or else we will take a beating.the defence and the goalie need to defend set pieces better but hey we play well sometimes and end up with no points so just move on, support the team and balotelli

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19 Oct 2014 18:27:13
I've seen it referred to before can any one for sure tell us wether Rogers wanted balo what a waste of money

Evered77

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I think BR wanted Remy whose pace would have scared the opposition defenders and he would have worked well with both Sturridge and Lambert, but the TC decided to go after Balo for a marquee signing when Milan put him up for sale.

Indian Buzzer

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19 Oct 2014 18:23:50
Looking at everything with a sensible head, we are 3 points away from 3rd place (which is prob the best we can hope for this season).

Chelsea and City for me will occupy the top two positions so realistically, the table doesn't look too bad.

Yes the performances need to drastically improve; yes the defence need to learn to defend; yes the strikers need to score goals but look on the bright side, we've only played well in 1 game out of 8 and we sit 5th (joint 4th).

Food for thought.

I know it's hard at the moment but let's try and hang in their.

Cheers

Mr. T   Mr. T
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Posts like this are why i come on here!

You just don't find many people that talk sense on facebook and twitter.

I couldn't agree more. For us doing so bad, we're actually doing pretty good!

We really have got a good squad that can pass and is fast and i believe a few good goals from the likes of ballo and lambert and we'll be off. Ballo would off had 2 today if it weren't for the OG's although he infuriates me when he shoots when there is better options!

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19 Oct 2014 17:51:13
Poor, poor game. We got the 3 points but really should be doing better than that. How can we get pegged back so much against the worst team in the league?

Luckily we have Coutinho and Sterling. The team should be built around them. Get rid of the lump Balotelli and make Sterling a make-shift lone striker until Sturridge is back.

Even with this awful start, we are 5th. That's incredible.

Eusebio

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19 Oct 2014 17:35:45
{Ed002's Note - There was no interest shown in him by Liverpool but a deal could have been done for Pedro and Huntelaar for around €15M less than was paid for Lambert, Balotelli and Markovic.}


I wish you was on our transfer commitee Ed002.

As for the result today, great to get the win in the end, however. last season feels like it was a dream to me now
;(

I wonder where we will be by the time I get to Anfield in December to watch the Arsenal game? I hope the situation isn't critical! I say this as I'm worried! Very worried!

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I would be happy with a Europa league spot this season, considering how poor we have been this season. The fact that we could have realistically got Pedro who is a winner, and Huntelaar who is a prolific goalscorer but instead ended up with Lambert and Balo shows how inept the club management is. Where is Mr Henry? He needs to sort out this mess ASAP.

Indian Buzzer

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This one is on the manager and our transfer committee perhaps but not on JWH.

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20 Oct 2014 05:38:33
Agree 100% Buzzer! The majority of our transfers have been woeful under BR! Throw in the fact we seem to overpay for players when there are as capable if not more capable players available at the times we do transfers!

Just like the 2 players mentioned in Ed002's reply in my post - why not Kono? Why not Remy? I would love some answers? Will we get any? I doubt it!

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19 Oct 2014 17:17:49
POSITIVITY:

We're going to smash Madrid on Wednesday.
They will be taking us lightly but we will be like cobras and will kill them on the counter!

To all those bemoaning our domestic form, I remember losing to Burnley in the FA cup January 2005 (Traore own goal) but we still beat the Italian Champions, the English champions elect and the Italian champions elect to win the Champions league in 2005!
Stay positive.
Come on you REDS!

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Loving the posts Ken you are a top top man and if this positive vibe helps then I'm in, buy three get two who cares today we won, I'll keep going with the positive thinking.all hail the lucky pants.

kyb

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19 Oct 2014 16:53:34
Playing crap and still got the three points, its becoming a habit for us now. Anyway, the introduction of Coutinho and Allen has been very beneficial to us today and we should defo start with the two against Real but BR should benched Balotelli as from now and start with Lambert or Borini instead. The guy is clearly hindering the motivation of the group and should not start next match for me.

Salim

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19 Oct 2014 16:03:55
Liverpool Hotel:
Coming over from the US for Chelsea game. Any thoughts on whether Days Inn City Centre or Premier Inn Albert Dock would be a better option for hotel?
Many thanks!
rjb150

Rjb150

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Prem inn mate

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Premier Inn mate. Albert Dock is a nice place to base yourself for a trip to Liverpool imo.

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Holiday inn Albert Dock is really nice. It's based in one of the old warehouses, I think it's a holiday inn anyway. Failing that yeah premier inn Albert Dock.
Have fun, how long are you staying?

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Many thanks all!

I get in on Friday afternoon and leave Sunday afternoon. I'm from Ireland originally so will be in dublin for a couple of days either side of the Liverpool visit. Try to get to a game every year.

Any recommendations for good pubs?

Rjb150

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19 Oct 2014 16:03:10
Lucky pants strike again!!

2 wins on the bounce, happy days.

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I bet they need a wash after that ending
pal

Rob b

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You never wash the lucky pants. never. until we lose a game.

Kaizer

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19 Oct 2014 16:02:00
People should stop saying we should play two up front, it's not going to happen.
If Rogers isn't going with two up front against a shockingly poor QPR side then he is never going to do it so let it lie.

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I'm never going to win the lottery doesn't stop me buying a ticket. It's clear for all to see that we need two upfront and seen as it's a banter page involving discussions I think people are fully entitled to put across the fact we should play upfront whether it happens or not.

S7 a S31 a S15

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BR is so stubborn with his tactics and we have suffered in every match played with one striker but he continues to play Balotelli alone. Balotelli cannot play as a lone striker because he offers little option to the other lads.

Salim

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19 Oct 2014 17:55:41
Whether we play 1 or 2 up top is of no relevance. Skertl and Lovren make Piechnik and Kvarme look like Hansen and Lawro. Defensively we look as bad as anyone in division. With regards to forward positions, Balotelli is down there with Dundee.

Rome1977

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19 Oct 2014 18:35:28
So we have Sturridge, Borini, Lambert and Balo as our strike force. Its a shame that only one of them is good enough to wear the LFC jersey, and he spends half the season on the treatment table.

There is serious lack of ambition at the club. If Ed002 is right about the promises made to the owners at the start of the season, i can see BR and his entire staff being kicked out before the season has ended.

Indian Buzzer

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19 Oct 2014 15:55:36
Sterling was great at times again, Coutinho seems to have come back from the dead, Johnson was much better than pre-injury and Henderson at least showed fight, but almost all positives being overshadowed by our defence. Jose Enrique should never play for the club again, if you feel like disagreeing on that one watch how Vargas was marked on their first equaliser, and our centre back partnership seems more like two men who have never laid eyes on eachother before stepping out to play

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19 Oct 2014 15:54:52
Missed the game.I wondered how Can played in his first game back - been really looking forward to seeing him fit in. I saw one negative post. any other views?

I think there is a big positive in going to 2-2- in injury time and not giving up. Take that away form the match if nothing else.

ProfG

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19 Oct 2014 16:35:22
Difficult to say mate, didn't look match fit. He looked better in the box to box role though, power and pace

Essexred84

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He wasn't the best to be fair. Hopefully he will get better.

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19 Oct 2014 22:02:26
He did very little. He was slow and predictable with the ball. I've said it before, though; he looks slow, to me.
But it's a new league and I hope he can adapt to the PL
At the moment we need someone to get us moving forward much quicker. Teams have stopped Gerrard which has stopped us.
Others need to step up or in.

Rigsby

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19 Oct 2014 15:52:05
I'm just amazed both Lambert and balotelli have both said they're not really able to play as a lone striker and yet they haven't started together once?.

Have to say two wins on the trot now and suddenly if big if we beat hull we're 3 for 3 and probably in the top 4 playing awfully.

Once we come good and we will the only way is up and if we stay around the top four till then I think we're sorted.

A lot of positives there we just need to improve and link up better.

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19 Oct 2014 15:44:45
There's winning ugly and then there's what we've watched today, I just hope we can find a bit of rhythm soon because when you play a certain level for a long period you wonder if that's just the level we are.

Les82

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19 Oct 2014 15:40:08
That result will save Rodgers blushes until the Madrid game. So many problems which Rodgers could address but choses not to

Big Al

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19 Oct 2014 15:36:59
Positives?
Winning 3-2, Coutinho, 2 wins in a row, winning ugly and boy that was as ugly as i have seen in a long time.

Negatives?
Well Liverpool didn't win 3-1 and Mario didn't score so i guess i will have to stick with Edinburgh for halloween. Its not sunny but i do like it there.

The Irish Rover

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19 Oct 2014 15:36:34
In my opinion Balotelli Borini and Lambert don't cut it at LFC. I would sell in the summer or January and replace with one quality forward who is mobile and runs in behind. Sanchez Or Remy would have been perfect!

Onto Wednesdays game I believe Liverpool should play a 433 with a three in the middle of Gerrard sitting with Allen and Hend in front. There isn't a forward good enough so I would try a front three of Sterling Lallana and Coutinho. Let them rotate! Lallana and sterling both run in behind too and all three like to play across the front. Curious to hear people's opinion?

What do you think?

JC_10

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19 Oct 2014 15:52:35
And Lucas has to play on Wednesday, imo.

- Something Red -

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19 Oct 2014 15:56:23
To be fair Sterling up front on his own couldn't do any worse

Essexred84

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19 Oct 2014 16:30:37
I THINK we can all safely agree that the only reason we won today was ken and his pants! End of, RM are probably running scared now!
All jokes aside i'm sure we'll give em a good game on Wednesday

cyprusred91

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I listened to Neil Mellor commentating on the game today, I know he has been retired for three years or so, but, if the paperwork can be sorted, I would pick him now ahead of Balotelli .

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19 Oct 2014 15:35:54
Balotelli didn't play well today, but you cannot criticise his work rate because he didn't sulk or drop his head at any point during the match. I'm not a massive Balo fan but given him credit because he is trying. BR needs to play him up top in a 2, be it Sturridge when he's back, or for now Lambert or Borini.

mk

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19 Oct 2014 22:05:05
I agree.
Balotelli is very trying.

Rigsby

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19 Oct 2014 15:33:44
Difficult to know what to say after that match. I don't know how were any where near the top 4 this season but we have been using up some amount of luck if its finite. I wonder who would take 10 million for Balo in January if we had an offer? It feels like rogers keeps getting chances to change things and he is too pig headed to do anything about it. If he gets the sack he genuinely can't complain about it.

north

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His style of play is brilliant. Problem is he and the transfer comittee don't know how to identify player profiles that match the philisophy.

Up front we need pace, technique, clinical finishing and selflessness. Neither Balotelli, Borini or Lambert have all those attributes. Liverpool need to buy the finished article so other players have someone to learn from. Transfer comittee need to start buying top drawer players alongside cultivating young talent. This is 2014. Big teams buy big players. Liverpool don't.

As for the defence, I really am at loss for words. Throw a big check at Tony Pulis or something. Defensive coaches need to be independently reviewed and kissed goodbye.

dwarfonaboat

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19 Oct 2014 16:52:57
Really, your really talking about sackings after a win(granted lucky and ugly) and fifth in the league now after finishing 2nd last season having to sell our highest goal scorer then losing our second highest goal scorer Upto now through injury dude get a grip

dannyisared

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Win or no win our defense is shocking and so far 5 out of 8 transfers (not counting origi) have done the opposite of impressing anyone.

Achterberg needs to be reviewed and so does however is in charge of organising the defense and so does the people in charge of teansfer targets. In most other work environments consistently underperforming will cost you your job.

dwarfonaboat

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19 Oct 2014 15:29:50
I really wish that they would bring in a defence coach, most of the goals we concede are through poor defending rather than the other team doing something well. I'll fear we will be torn to shreds by the big teams this season. After last season I was really optimistic. But I fear we have relapsed by about 4 years!

El Diablo!

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On wed night mate never mind the season mate

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 16:02:19
On my wed night I was thinking od defence at all - more like uopwarsd and onwards!

pape

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19 Oct 2014 15:29:20
How on earth do we ever win that game! QPR deserved a win. Fair play to coutinho though he's had his critics and in my opinion was rightfully benched but he completely changed that game for us. But still like I said QPR deserved more out of that game then us, dreading Madrid now, please please please play 2 upfront or it will be like showing up at a Vegas casino with empty pockets

S7 a S31 a S15

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Well said mate and even if we are glad to get the 3 points, we should never have won them with such aweful performance. BR should bench Enrique and Balotelli and start with Moreno and Lambert or else we will get screwed by Madrid.

Salim

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19 Oct 2014 15:29:17
3 points.
Yaaaay

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19 Oct 2014 15:27:47
I think we've taken over whiskey noses 95 minute last minute winner syndrome

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19 Oct 2014 15:27:38
The two own goals - do they count as Balotelli assists?

pape

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You are joking he couldn't hit a cow on the arse with a banjo mate so don't try help him he is useless

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 15:59:24
Yes albeydered - I WAS joking! Balotelli would have scored both anyway as the cow with the banjo was sitting in the back of the net!

pape

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19 Oct 2014 15:23:46
Toure was our best player today

RedJoel

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19 Oct 2014 15:58:32
He was solid

Essexred84

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You forget to say on the touch line but anyway I think Toure would have played better than Lovren.

Salim

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19 Oct 2014 15:23:38
Oh my word, what a finish! Need to improve for Madrid obviously

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No mate we need to improve period

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 15:23:25
Three points - but what an absolute joke of a game!

GURU

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It was like watching my grandsons matches his team are all seven yrs old and they can defend better than LFC

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 15:22:37
im going to have a heart attack before 40

RedJoel

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19 Oct 2014 15:21:26
Really hard to swallow. Let's not forget we are talking about QPR here. Looking like a long season for LFC fans

coop

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19 Oct 2014 15:59:39
I won't start panicking until we concede 5 against Leicester .

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19 Oct 2014 15:15:45
Last five minutes = GOAL TIME! It gets more ridiculous with every match. My idea - let's not play any defenders at all - just go at the opposition - Losing 5-6 is always better than the results we are getting now!

pape

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19 Oct 2014 15:11:31
Dont know about the other supporters but i for 1 am worried for the madrid game

IRISHRED1995

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19 Oct 2014 15:09:44
Surely borini is a better option than balotelli or lambert

daveevad1

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19 Oct 2014 16:00:46
Can he finish open goals? Yes? Get him in

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19 Oct 2014 14:49:15
30 mins to go! I think we will win this 2-0! Even after Mario's howler.

The Irish Rover

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Aye! You disagree now when the game is over? How easy is that? :-)

The Irish Rover

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19 Oct 2014 14:30:28
I am beginning to think Balo is just not that good. Just a woeful performance by him and Can

Bring on Allen

redmarx

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19 Oct 2014 14:42:45
Balo needs another striker upfront. its no secret. But what's our Defenders doing on the pitch.

My_Life

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19 Oct 2014 14:52:28
Begining?. Lols. Milan thought it long back and sold to us.

My_Life

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19 Oct 2014 15:25:54
Can won't be match fit yet, don't think he did anything wrong just not up to speed yet. Balo on the other hand oh dear.

Essexred84

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19 Oct 2014 15:28:37
ANOTHER NAME HARRY!? Comon man.

The guy just isn't himself right now. He's trying too hard to get that first goal. We desperately need a 2nd striker.

TjRed

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19 Oct 2014 14:30:24
Its alright saying get behind the team but that defensebar lovren who has no confidence atm is very ordinary. Johnson, Enrique, skittles and mignolet are very poor defenders. Its Rodgers choice to put out these players noone elses. If.Flanagan isn't fit why isn't a youngster given a chance likewise on the left side if moreno isn't fit? Sktrl? Well edd002 explained that. We could get completely humiliated by Madrid. We are givinh away 4, 5 good chances a game against lower league sides and have shown no improvement in that area. i'm constantly hearing whinging about the forwards but the defense is shocking and deflect flack. Our defense needs grilled to get a.performance or improve.

Big Al

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19 Oct 2014 14:22:40
Wow I'm now worried about Balotelli, he has no confidence to take on players nor does he know when to shoot or pass the ball. Borini would be much better up front IMO.

y2k3   y2k3
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I'm not a fan of Borini, simply not up to the level required to help achieve a top four place let alone winning the title, but with that said I'm 100% sure he would put in more of a shift then Mario.

Personally, I think both Balotelli and Borini says more about Rodgers' inability to actually buy decent players!

GURU

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As my wife says - Balotelli plays as an individual in a team game . and that never works!

GURU

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Hey mate does your missus fancy a job managing at LFC

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 14:08:01
Benzema ronaldo bale James

Are going to have a field day if lovren an skrtel don't start hitting the gym
Overpowered all day long

Not sure what's happening with this team since the end of last season

Do u guys think two new centre backs are needed ?

red lobster

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19 Oct 2014 14:44:37
Cant rule out. As BR loves buying CB every 6 months. lols

My_Life

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19 Oct 2014 13:54:09
I mean this game is already having the looks of a qpr win written all over it, i just don't understand what has gone wrong for us. I think maybe lovern needs to be dropped.

PakRed

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19 Oct 2014 13:53:08
So far, not so good. I don't think Stturidge could change to much in this team. I don't know why the pressing game has been abandoned. The reds just haven't looked fluid in there passing game all season. We need to get it back soon.

PakRed

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19 Oct 2014 13:24:29
Whinge whinge whinge. Get behind the team.

Would just be sweet if Mario banged in a hatrick today and set his confidence soaring.

MarcO   MarcO
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We are playing sh!t. plain and simple. We are playing the worst team in the league, and they are outplaying us. BR has got formation and selection wrong. it's pretty clear! So actually as a fan, we have the right to moan and complain when we are being embarrassed!

Biggy_balls

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Take the positivity back. This is awful. Get Enrique off and have to put Johnson there. Then put two up. But who in midfield to take off? Unless can to lb and drop Gerrard to further back.

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Well if the man ever got out of a walk then he might . his body language is terrible (not alone though), surely Rodgers must tell him to raise his game and at least make some attempt to close down.

Very poor first half . if QPR could finish we would be 3 nil down.

GURU

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Howcan you get behind a team that clearly is not putting in the effort required . Fair enough we lose and every player has run their socks off but that's not the case . There are a few being very lazy and lackadaisical on the ball that are not deserving of the Liverpool jersey . If you want to support that and notbe critical then fair enough but I won't back the players when they are not giving their all for thecause

Johnaldinioh

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I posted this before the match. Try the positive approach. Its been dire. Hopefully second half will be better!!!!

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19 Oct 2014 14:51:58
Left with no words.

My_Life

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19 Oct 2014 13:12:10
Hey lfc fans

I predict a 1-1 for today or any score draw it will be a tough game

As for Wednesday . Under Benitez i would stack a lot for a Liverpool win even with Madrids squad of today

But this Liverpool team without the potency upfront. I'm going for a Madrid win 2.1 I just think their attack will be too much for our defence

We haven't corrected our attacks yet so today's game will show if balotelli will stay in the box or not

red lobster

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Id take 1-1 mate the way were playing . were playing with 8 men can never a center of midfield player far to slow more of a center half lovern is just crap and he let agger go for him and that Italian clown up front he would not get a game in a sunday league team add to that lot skirtel and Enrique . and to rub salt in to the wound Johnson playing just leave the two Spanish lads in the team and get a settled left and right back I've backed rogers and the team todate but this first half is awful he better kick arse now for second half or the pressure will be on his shoulders

albeydered

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19 Oct 2014 14:26:46
thats looking a bit generous at the moment

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19 Oct 2014 13:06:39
So much for a settled side! All though I do hope a full squad of players will bring out a bit of competition for places

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