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28 Aug 2016 06:39:14
Just read an interesting post further down. "It took years to screw this club up, it will not be fixed overnight"
We have hovered in the top 3 or 2 for years, without wining the leauge. That was in the past. Prior to that, we have won the league many times.
But, of late, we have been around the 5th - 7th, and even 8th position.
Many, including our fans say that we are a mid table team.
How does a mid table team go up the log?
Not over night, not in just 1 season. Yes, it has happened with some teams, but 1 hit wonders.
For us to get back to the top, we have to progress to that.
We'll have to work towards it, and be patient.
And it will happen.

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28 Aug 2016 04:28:16
I'd rather wear rose tinted glasses than the doomed, sulky pessimistic spectacles you have on Frankly. fanobip and others. We just took 4 points away at arsenal and Spurs and you turn around and say we'd struggle to beat west ham? I'm sure some fans on here would be a right laugh down the pub but u two would probably have us bored to tears.
At the end of the day anyone can see we need a lb, everyone was clamouring for Chilwell saying he would of been our saviour despite never seeing him play. The same people probably would of derided the club had we gone in for Fuchs. Despite him keeping Chilwell out the team.
Maybe the club felt 7m was too much for an unproven player with a year left on his contract and they backed off as soon as it went to 10m. And after that we felt the value wasn't there in the market. No one really knows what's going on at the club. But if you think there's not been progress since Klopps taken over then your kidding yourselves. For one this is the first window in forever we've broken even and yet our squad has undoubtedly improved. We've addressed the wide forward, CB and goalkeeping issues we've had for a while and the doom mongers amongst you are conveniently forgetting this and crying over the lb. Maybe klopp thinks there's a goo one coming up and doesn't want to blow 20m on a stop gap. Perhaps he thinks Moreno might come good (heaven knows he has good qualities) . Have faith people it'll come good. Yes I've been saying it for a long time and if it goes to sh*t this year I'll say it again next year haha👌.

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28 Aug 2016 08:01:15
You've made some good points but when you mention value and players in the same breath I'm not so sure.

This is the same transfer committee, along with transefer negotiatior Ian Ayre, that sanctioned the Bentke and Balloteli buys. Yes we've been very lucky to recoup a good chunk of the Benteke money but still.

Chilwell is very highly rated in lots of quarters and I see more value at £10m for him than the £18m paid for Mario.

I can't get my head around the thought process to be honest.

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28 Aug 2016 03:30:21
Hey eds n reds. i think there were a lot of positives last nights game. nearly every player had some great moments. Mignolet had a good game and made a defining save. Matip looks an all round quality CB. looked as if he was already doing a bit of organising of the defense which is awsome. i'm not sure if there was any relation to Matip but Lovren made some great tackles and 1 very important interception that i can remember which he nearly turned into a scoring opportunity. Milner was a bit better defensively at left back. not the answer but will probly get used to it and be ok for now. what a bloke tho. just puts his head down and does his job no matter where he's thrown. Henderson looked a lot better defensively as a pretty much midfield 1. he will just keep improving. lallana and winjaldum were ok but i don't really like that set up in midfield. i think once Firmino went wide left he seemed to offer a lot more then coutinho and made much better decisions with the ball from the wide areas. i don't really like the 433 with firmino at ST but that might change as they get used to each other and gel a bit more. but for now i would prefer 4231 and would swap Firmino and coutinho from wide left and AM. now its just a matter of the players getting used to each other, finding the best system and starting 11 for us and then growing as a team. its nice to look at a quality bench with a variety if option as well. overall a lot to be positive about. hope all is well.

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27 Aug 2016 19:24:31
Question for ed 001
Do you think klopp is protecting sturridge form himself and easing him back in gently or is this klopp gradually easing us away from sturridge as our out and out number one striker?

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{Ed001's Note - that really depends on Studger as to which it is. The former is what Klopp wants, but Studger has to fight for it or it will become the latter.}

27 Aug 2016 17:49:39
Ed1 what's the story with sturridge being left on bench of late is he destined for the door? Or is it just precautionary with his injuries etc? Also what's the thoughts so far on the 3 games? Arsenal we were slow to get going but once we did were great same today let's forget burnley but feel a bit worried about the lb position costing us i think had karius not got injured though we would have at least 6 points from 9 which when you think all our games have been away from home to aresnal burnley and tottenham ain't that bad. Disappointed we didn't win today clearly the better team!

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{Ed001's Note - he is not playing well, plus Klopp prefers the system we started with. Nothing more than that.}

28 Aug 2016 01:54:18
a lot of negative talk on here about our manager and our team. Just wanted to give my 2 pennies worth.

Klopp is one of the best in the world, world class. Had he gone to city, Utd, Chelsea we would of been drooling over him.
We seem to expect so much from every manager and player, NO manager in the world can come to Liverpool and transform them overnight, and many would fail. We're nowhere near the best team in England and cannot attract or afford the best players. so a big thank you to him for being here and giving it a go.

We've got some very good players, who try their best, we are missing a proper finisher and hopefully sturridge will be that when he's back.

Stop going on like we are Barcelona and expecting the world, let's just enjoy watching the team we support.

Win, lose or draw YNWA.

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27 Aug 2016 17:31:48
Ed001 your review of the game?

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{Ed001's Note - have to be a quick one, I have got the dreaded man flu, so need to type it out quick in case I don't make it through the day....

Basically we looked the better side, outplayed them for probably 80 minutes of the 90 and should have won by a clear margin but didn't because of individual defensive mistakes. It happens, we played mostly well, so it is good to see the performance improve. It is still early days but we needed that performance to boost confidence after the Burnley disaster.

One quick thing, the ref was bloody awful, how was that not a pen in the first half when Matip was dragged down? And that set the tone for a performance that just left me shaking my head at the number of decisions he got wrong. At least he wasn't favouring either side, just truly awful.

Mane was the clear standout for 60min, then he faded out of the game. Lallana really needs a kick up the backside, Cruyff turns just outside our box into an opponent are not clever. 14 touches when we are on a fast break is stopping us getting chances we should. He was the weakest link for us yesterday. Still nice to see Migs actually managed to complete some passes and Milner, apart from the really poor error for the goal, looked much better at left back than Moreno.}

28 Aug 2016 01:13:04
So anyway, moving on from the match, I don't get some of these transfer links. First Pulisic who is playing first team games for Dortmund and now we're linked again with Coric. Coric has turned down Man City after they agreed a £15m price because he wants to play and doesn't want to be stockpiled.

Where are these players going to play? We don't have that many games this season. All I can think is that someone must be leaving, either Lallana or Coutinho. Otherwise these links don't make sense. What does everyone else think? Coric or Pulisic and who's leaving?

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28 Aug 2016 07:50:02
The stockpiling of players is one thing that really frustrates me at the moment. As the latest links are for younger players I'm hoping we buy them and leave them with their current clubs for this season so that they get game time and continue to develop - if we don't then there is a danger that they will stagnate if they end up in our reserve and under-21 teams.

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28 Aug 2016 07:57:58
It wouldn't surprise me if both left. Couts never looks happy and Lallana is one Cruyff turn away from going back in time. Really frustrating footballer to watch because he has the skills but no end product. Although Klopp loves him because he runs for 90mins. They seem to be the type of player he favours. As I've never seen Coric or Pulisic play then I couldn't in all fairness give an opinion on either.

To me there's a different feeling about the team. Last season we were flying from the "Klopp effect", now he's trying to put his own team together I feels very unsure in my mind. I know you can't play everyone all the time but Grujic looked the part in pre season to me, whys he not getting a game? Wijnaldum ghosts through games, don't know if that's because he's not making any mistakes and is solid or he's just not in the game at all. Mané looks every inch worth his fee. And Studger is clearly 3rd choice behind Origi and Firmino.
We just have to trust Klopp will do the bizz. We are a team in "transition" a word I hate but it's true. I guess we just wait and see.

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28 Aug 2016 08:27:31
Nobody as to leave, it's called competition for places. Yesterday was a prime example that certain players Mane Lallana Coutinho put a hell of a lot of work in and physically tired after the 65 min mark. Having similar creative players on the bench would be perfect, like for like and we can continue to dominate the game for the full 90 minutes.
We had Lucas and Stewart on the bench yesterday when we only needed one of them. We had no one on the bench who could do the things Coutinho and Mane can do. Coric and pulisic are young players that can make things happen, make the other team worry about leaving space between the lines.
The ideal situation is to have players who are giving everything just to stay in the team and players on the bench who can come on and the team isn'weakend by the substitution. Just my opinion.

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28 Aug 2016 08:47:01
I doubt we will see any more incoming players Ron so no risk of stock-piling. The press have days left to sell papers off the back of transfer talk - Pulisic yesterday, Coric today, someone else will be linked tomorrow and never arrive. My bet is that tomorrow we will be linked with a foreign attacking midfielder that looks above average on youtube and played at one of Klopps previous clubs.

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28 Aug 2016 01:00:16
A lot of negativity on the page, for me, 4 points from north London is a very good return.

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28 Aug 2016 02:45:28
With better managerial decisions is could have been 6.

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{Ed001's Note - with worse it could have been 0. What a stupid comment. If my aunt had a beard etc.}

28 Aug 2016 08:07:35
I thought you said your aunt DOES have a beard?!

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{Ed001's Note - well she is an Evertonian, so it is entirely possible.}

28 Aug 2016 00:58:50
If you'd have offered me a draw before the game I'd have taken it. We absolutely blew Spurs away for that majority of the match, with the majestic Mane and very hard-working Firmino leading the charge, but for a questionable finish from coutinho early on we would have had an early lead. After Milner's penalty, Mane's offside goal would have sealed the game. Mane was excellent throughout and showed good game intelligence throughout. Milner was solid throughout bar his error in the build up to their goal and showed that perhaps he can adapt to playing left back, he does share the blame with Clyne who got drawn to the ball. All in all I'd say we were very unlucky to draw and the quality of our performance was excellent, just the couple of mistakes which let us down/ lack of clinical finishing. If you'd offered me 4 points from Spurs and Arsenal away at the start of the season I'd have bit your arm off.

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28 Aug 2016 01:40:40
Totally agree magician. I really don't see why all the negativity. Yes I'm disappointed we didn't win but we were by far the superior team and soon that will start converting to more wins. Of all the teams I've seen this season what we did against Arsenal and snippets of this game shows me we have the capacity to be the best team in this league. It's just consistency which is stifling us. No other team has reached anywhere the levels that we produced against Arsenal. Karius to come back, Milner and GW still learning their roles I think there is a lot to be optimistic about.

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28 Aug 2016 02:01:17
Sorry that's supposed to say Matip was excellent and showed good game intelligence throughout the match.

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