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22 Dec 2014 19:00:05
Reading through some of the post re yesterday's game and no one mentions the Flamini incident. He had been booked and I, along with a lot more fans, thought that his elbow deserved another yellow card. The attempt he made was reckless at least and so warranted a card. If he had gone it would have been a different game altogether and maybe we would have gone on to win it. The referee obviously saw the incident as he gave us a free kick. No wonder managers and fans alike call for more consistency.

Robbie77

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22 Dec 2014 18:21:58
My brief summary from yesterday's game.

1st half- much better and improvement evident to all, made arsenal look poor, that was until we offered them a gift which they greatfully accepted. 1-1

2nd half- not so dominent but by no means awful, until the second gift "there you go oliver, have a free shot" (maybe a gift from some of our fans, after he trod on martin's bonce) 1-2

Borini's on giroud goes off (skrtel sigh's from relief) borini goes off - down to 10 men.

Then with minute's left, we get a corner and put reverse psycology into practice. they've got 11 back, so we will put 4 in the box, play a diamond formation, get it over the lamppost at the front (who duly bent double) and let the ninja skrtel arrive unattended, from the rear, to bullet the header home. 2-2

Kind Regards

sizemick

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22 Dec 2014 18:13:34
Dear Santa could we please have a good goalie and a Def - Mid andfor my last prezzie i would like a striker who does not get injured all the time

mbrock99

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22 Dec 2014 17:54:42
EMS. I don't dislike you at all & i don' t use the buttons, i just feel your posts come across a bit know it all ish. I'm sure your a sound lad, but i will always lock horns with people over Stevie.

Waro

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Waro
Have your own opinion, you are becoming a rare species on this page and your one of few who I would read their posts.

Big Al

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The guy does seem to be a bit up his own rear but he he clearly has passion, fair play to him.

Eusebio

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I agree with Big Al Waro keep true to yourself mate

mbrock99

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LoL Self belief is a turn on for some Waro, that's how I interpreted your E.M.S shout out. XD But that midlands accent though.

Ollieston3

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22 Dec 2014 17:12:09
Hey Macca ! what's up man ? Could you kindly give us any update on our January transfer targets ? Thanks !

Collins

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22 Dec 2014 17:00:23
Hi Eds.

I was wondering if you could shed some light on the future of some of our under performing players?

It looks like we're taking steps to replace Mignolet, he's been poor in fairness but Lovren as been our worst performer. Do the club plan on sticking with him?

Also do you think the club will have a bit of clear out over the next couple of windows?

Also ED001. Is there anything in particular from the club Wisdom, Ilori and Ibe in regards to next year or is it too early?

StraightTalk

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Lovren has only just arrived, he needs a chance to settle. Yes there will be players moved on, if possible. Too early with regards those 3.}

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Lovren was great for Southampton last season and in my opinion a lot of defenders would struggle with a midfield like ours in front of them. Let's wait until the new year to see what our midfield looks like, and I'm sure if we strengthen correctly we will see a much more solid defence.

Red Rum

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22 Dec 2014 16:44:05
I just read on ESPN that BR said the following:

"Our performance today was better than when we won 5-1 here last year."

It seems that on their visit to Liverpool, they brought some of that stuff that they'd been smoking at the Emirates.

I agree we were the better side, but they were more clinical with their chances, by far, like usually everyone else we have played. 27 shots on goal and 2 goals. We had 0 players on the pitch that are clinical finishers. I'm one of Sterlings biggest fans, but he is by no means a striker. And then, when the game is on the line, he subs our 2 strikers in for our CB and wing back. The same 2 strikers that apparently aren't even good enough to make the starting line up, and sometimes even the bench, were now expected to take the game back.

Just like in the Champions League, I was so excited to see Markovic come on; and he changed the game. Then, he got a red card.

Borini came on, tested the keeper 2 times in 10 minutes, and then got a red card. It's no wonder he's so frustrated. I hope that he will get a chance after it, but I really really doubt it now. Especially with Balotelli and Sturridge back at the new year.

So. My Christmas wishlist?

Markovic to keep improving, Sturridge to come back fit, and my favorite gift: Suso to be given his chance, and he impresses, and solidifies his spot, and signs a new contract.

TjRed

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I was gutted for Borini. The first one was never a yellow card offense. Especially considering he was right and it was his throw in. However, the second was a straight red in my opinion. he was lucky to only receive a second yellow as I believe that carries a shorter ban.

You only have to look at the mark on Cazorla's chest to see that it was dangerous play. I hope he gets another chance because I think he was just too eager to impress. This is what happens when you don't give people anything and then throw them in after weeks in the reserves. He was too keen and hell bent on showing he deserved to be in the team so charged around like a man possessed and got himself sent off.

Poor management, but also very poor discipline from Fabio. There is still no excuse to kick someone in the chest studs up.

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I agree with most of that, EMS, but throwing the ball like that will always be a booking. It was pretty dumb on Borini's part.

RDL

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Borini had to be sent off

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22 Dec 2014 16:34:28
All this talk about needing to buy a DM i really can't understand it.
i mean atm we have Lucas and Gerrard playing that position whether or not we like it as fans, let's assume lucas leaves in january, then we have Emre Can sitting on the bench who can't get a look in right now. so why go spend more money we don't have on another DM? Back up? Promote youth!

cyprusred91

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I think selling Lucas or letting him leave on loan would be nothing short of criminal.

Gerrard is not a defensive midfielder, never has been and frankly never will be.

We all know that BR would choose Allen over Can, though I've absolutely no idea why.

In short to simply say don't worry it will all be ok, we can really upon youth for such a crutial position is naive to say the least.

Mr Dennis

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22 Dec 2014 17:56:00
Because Allen is a good player and does not deserve the hate he gets.

AnfieldUSA

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22 Dec 2014 16:34:20
Eds if Borini does leave in the January window, who would be interested and how much do you expect him to leave for? Surely won't be the 14 mil Sundeland were wiling to cough up in the summer !
Thanks

Walkon94

Ed02{Ed002's Note - We have no interest in money. Football supporters are not vey bright and it will be confusing for you.}

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Im the brightest bulb that could hang on anybodys ceiling >>>:)

Walkon94

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I can't see Borini leaving in January mate tbh. He will be with us until the summer. Although i do agree we need to sell him and Bslotelli and push for Bony i just can't see it happening imo.

dezmondo14

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Walkon, that is my cheesey sense of humour haha

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22 Dec 2014 15:53:49
Ed033 (I'm sure that's the right one)

I am really curious as to how many people are abusing the agree/disagree button. As a personal rule I never agree with my own posts and try to avoid disagreeing or agreeing with somebody else's post more than once. I get the feeling other posters do not care so much for accurate representations of public opinion though and would rather fuel their own ego's by abusing the functions eg. repeatedly agreeing with their own post or repeatedly disagreeing with somebody elses.

I don't know if it would be possible or how much work it would involve, however for me this is the only problem with this site. Could you potentially look into locking each account to just one agree/disagree per post and maybe even incorporate a function so you can see who is disagreeing with you.

I'm only curious because some of the posts I send in get torn to shreds by a select few posters and trolled with the disagree function and then somebody else can post the same thing in their own words and there isn't a controversial reply in site and never anything like the disagrees I get.

I'm genuinely not that bothered if people would rather I spouted my "tripe", "nonsense", "know it all" posts etc elsewhere but I'm just keen to see just how many people there are on here who have a problem with me rather than what I write; because I have a hunch it's a lot! The likes of mbrock99, bobatron, Waro, starwarz etc make it extremely obvious they dislike me. It'd be nice to know who else is hiding behind the agree/disagree function though.

Ed033{Ed033's Note - Hi EMS, it is possible to 'abuse' the Agree/Disagree buttons. At some point soon, i'll change it to 1 Agree/Disagree per username per post. At that point the button counts should be more realistic.

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Why are you so bothered about an agree or disagree? Does it really bloody matter?

Eusebio

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Cheers mate. The trolls will be ever so disappointed. As you can see they've already got to work on this post too. Feel free to delete it when the abuse starts inevitably getting heavy from the knuckle draggers.

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22 Dec 2014 16:50:24
Wow. I never noticed your posts before but from now on Ill pay special attention. Are you the same poster that few weeks ago promised not to post again because someone disagreed with you?

Roy

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I don't care about it on an emotional level Eusebio. Social media/forums always attract keyboard warriors because it's the only place they can feel significant. I care more about getting an accurate representation of whether or not people actually agree with you points and opinions.

For example, If I post an opinion, it's impossible for me to know what he general consensus is because of people who troll the agree/disagree buttons.

If the agree/disagree function does not provide an accurate representation of public opinion, then it is pointless.

So in a sense I agree with you Eusebio. It doesn't really matter. But if you're going to have it, you might as well make it work otherwise it's just a pointless function that allows people to troll and abuse other posters.

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Roy I'm not even sure what you're on about. Can you please tell me where I've asked for special treatment? I've recommended a way to improve a function so it works more effectively.

I didn't stop posting because somebody disagreed with me did I. I stopped posting because of personal attacks; which sadly seem to be becoming far more frequent on here and they're not all directed at me either.

The level of maturity on this site is at an all time low.

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Ems

fans have the right to disagree with each other there's no problem with that for me if some one disagree's with me that's fine i don't expect people to agree with me some might feel the same way or agree with me to a point and some will disagree with me that's why its good to have the agree and disagree buttons, its a quick way to see if people agree with you or not, you mention me in your post as if to say press the disagree button on you all the time, i don't i would rather tell you in a post or a reply, if you don't like what I've said get over it its no good crying to the eds, just because you say something does not make it so, people do have a right to disagree with you and i hope the eds do what you want because i don't think the disagree will drop off, you think because people say honest things its a personal attack or because they don't agree with you, well believe me you are not right all the time and before you say you have not said it all the moaning to the eds and thinking people are trolls to you prove that you think your right all the time, if people don't agree with you that's there right its nothing personal, you say you don't ask for special treatment asking for the agree / disagree buttons to be changed is asking, what's wrong has some one disagreed with you, and do me a favour don't be including me in your whining to other people, how old are you, grow up and do what waro said grow a pair, or go and cry, re-read this again and see if there's any abuse in it there is no, i just don't agree with you

mbrock99

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EMS i informed on this a while ago, I know who does it to my posts.

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For the record it's not that I dislike you, I;m not a keyboard warrior, if you were ever in Leeds I'd invite you and any 1 for a cuppa/beer and a Liverpool chat. Although Alan Huyton, might not be able to withstand a ''reader''

I've said to you before and I'm not the only one who's mentioned it, that you've contradicted yourself on some glaring occasions, and that you seem to as some 1 else put it ''REHASH'' what ed001 writes to get agrees, and positive replies.
Just a personal POV on you, but I don't dislike you, how could any 1 dislike some 1 they never met?

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22 Dec 2014 18:44:06
EMS a couple of weeks ago someone posted that they being picked on by others disagreeing with them for the sake of it. I was wondering if it was you, your reply suggests it was n't , so in a way this should cheer you up , there are others that feel the same way. If it gets to you, it should n't , who cares, you have your opinion , others have theirs .And as someone who probably collects a high number of disagree clicks , take it from me , its no bother, the way I see it, I have better foresight that most in here and with time people will see what I observed months ago. I can't help it if I am more intelligent. cheer up and enjoy your xmas. This is a banter site to relax and an outlet for the frustration and disappointment of the team performances and results; and not to upset or distress, the team is doing enough of that for us at the moment.

Roy

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EMS, how do you know they're trolling? They might just disagree with you. Are you that high and mighty that you think you can't be disagreed with otherwise it is trolling? Climb out mate.

Eusebio

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22 Dec 2014 16:12:04
Hi Ed, rather than asking about transfers, I was wondering what you tihnk of our younger players (Under 24-ish) and if you think our team is looking good for the future?

Miike

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a good academy and certainly some of the kids have a bright future - some at Liverpool and some elsewhere. For a couple of years Ojo has been the player those who know think is the most nifty. Sterling is a good player but I expect that the next 18 months could see him move on. Markovic will be a good player in the future. Many of the others Ilori, Suso etc. will simply leave. Emre Can is going to be a real talent. Yesil might be worth a shot at having a good future. There are some good defenders in the mix - if they get a chance. The future looks reasonable good.

Football, like my second wife, is a very fickle mistress.}

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Who are realistic suitors for sterling ed? I would imagine that we would price him at such a level the big teams would look elsewhere.

Les82

Ed02{Ed002's Note - WE have been through this before and I don't want to open it up again now.}

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22 Dec 2014 15:44:53
hi eds I see sami hyypia has offered to quit the brighton job do you think it could be down to us offering him a defencive coaching roll

thanks
mark1980

mark1980

Ed02{Ed002's Note - No.}

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Hyypia is too good to be just a defensive coach in my opinion. Assistant manager or head coach maybe.

It's difficult to define these roles though to be honest. I just don't think he' want to go from Manager of Bayer Leverkusen a year ago, to working underneath Rodgers as a defensive coach.

This 3-4-3 could work defensively if Rodgers gets the midfield 4 right and drops Skrtel. The sad thing is we loaned out Ilori and Wisdom and the right side of the back 3 would suit them both to a tee and allow us to put Toure in the middle to actually organise the defense.

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We could certainly use a defense coach.

aklfc

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22 Dec 2014 18:53:44
Assistant manager is a good shout but can't see Brendan parting with Colin .

Essexred884

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22 Dec 2014 15:10:14
If we are going to keep playing this formation wouldn't it make more sense to have Moreno on the left and markovic on the right? Also I think we need to have two very good defensive midfielders in the middle to allow the attacking players to flourish. This is why I think Emre Can and Lucas should be starting from what we have available.

In January we should be looking to buy a proper DM who will be able to protect our defence. We don't need to spend huge amounts to do this. There are many bargains out there in this position. For example West Ham gettinh Song on loan and Medel being sold by Cardiff for about £8m .

Hounsred

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Completely agree mate. Can in for Gerrard and Moreno in for Henderson.

Before yesterdays game I wanted Henderson to play in the 'front 3' with Sterling and Lallana because the 3 of them seem to link up really well but Coutinho was brilliant against Arsenal. Makes that decision a bit harder; which I'm sure Rodgers doesn't mind. I thought Markovic was good but he is limited to what he can do on the left because he doesn't have a great cross with his left foot. It makes him predictable as he always cuts inside . Put him on the right and I think we'll see him start to beat his man on the outside a bit more and maintain the teams width. Moreno also looks perfect for this role on the left.

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I have to agree henderson is a really poor rwb either play him centrally or don't blame him in this formation.

NE_red

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EMS, completely agree, Gerrard's years are catching up with him and only those with the most tinted glasses think otherwise. So Can has to come in, he would compliment Lucas and offers the physical presence we need.

These rumours of Lucas leaving leaving us with Gerrard and Allen as cm options actually makes me cringe.

Mr Dennis

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Agreed Dennis. I think In Can we have a really talented player. I'm not going to say we should build our team around him because that was our problem in the past; constantly building around one player rather than a philosophy. However, I think Can will be mainstay in our team for many years.

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22 Dec 2014 15:05:36
there is a lot of fans who agree that skertal is one of the culprits to us letting goals in, he is like a rugby player he plays the man instead of the ball, what BR need to do is drop him to see if the defence gets any better, i think it will because i also think skertal makes the others nervous he drops too deep and makes many mistakes, if he would have tried to head the ball for their goal i'm sure jones would have saved it or that the ball would have went wide but to not even challange for a header when your a defender is criminal, he has to be dropped if mingolet has been dropped because of form then skertal should also be dropped because at the moment we are starting to get better and players form is getting better but skertal just does the same as he does every game, we all wonder why he has not gave more penalties away with the way he mauls players, if he can't defend then he puts the other players under pressure to make up for his mistakes, let's hope BR has the gonads to so the same to skertal has he has done to mingolet

mbrock99

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He is the only guy who can head balls for us, and a lot of balls coming to our box meet his head - I hope he will also produce more goals for us on the other side of the pitch. He is not afraid to go forward with the ball and very rarely pass it back to the keeper from the centre of the pitch unlike some of our other defenders (Toure and Sakho in particular) who look really frightened whenever they get the ball out of the box and are not sure what to do with it. He is far from a perfect defender but he has a great spirit and for me still the first name on the selection sheet in terms of defenders.

fanobip

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Really? Sahko is probs the best defender we have in terms of possesion last night toure and skrtly (spelling) kept giving the ball to sahko to bring out of the defence because they were to scared. sakho is the best defender we have in terms of 1v1s possesion and aerial battles and speed

Crookieee123

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Fanobip i have to disagree skertal passes the ball back more than you reallise toure does have a pass in him and sakho cuts out a lot of passes he incepts the ball a lot, that's why i was made up we bought him, you are right about the way he looks with the ball at his feet he looks clumsy but I've watched him makes some long passes to try a set an attack up plus he brings the ball out a lot, I've read he had a good world cup i never watched him but i do believe he could become our leader at the back, i think its the way BR has the team playing and passing it out from the back instead of trying a route 1 ball, i maybe wrong but i think sakho is going to be our new sammi, i hope so

mbrock99

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22 Dec 2014 14:26:29
For those that may not have seen. L Alberto played for Malaga this weekend and was brilliant going forward, some brilliant touches and one twos, mixed with a goal and some brilliant crossing.

bobatron   bobatron          
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He played very well to be fair to him. Only seen the highlights though. It's a shame Rodgers didn't give him more of a chance. He always did well for us when he came on and looked like a man playing U13's football when he was forced to play with the reserves.

I'm sure he got a driving conviction last year so I'm not sure If that is why Rodgers never played him or not? I'd hope not though as Rodgers isn't exactly in a position to be passing moral judgement!

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Was it brilliant?

Eusebio

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It's my only superlative I know

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22 Dec 2014 14:02:30
Hi Eds,

Do you know what the team are doing to try to sort the issues we have in defence?

Has there been talk of a defensive coach?

I know I will probably get slammed for this but everyone is having a go at Lovren but I think Skrtal has been just as culpable for several of our goals. Last night he didn't do good with either Arsenal goals.

SA

Sadams1980

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Rodgers brought back Lucas to sort out the defensive issues and he is using different plans for set pieces to keep opponents guessing. But no specific defensive coach.}

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Set pieces seem to have been our weakness for as long as I remember.
I don't think skrtle even jumped yesterday for one of the goals conceded.

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22 Dec 2014 14:24:21
Seems we are going back to old and only formula, outscore the opposition.
Those who wants BR out should have raised their voice an year ago when we were conceding goals for fun.

Ohh wait. Let's buy lovern the leader and things would be fine.

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Different defensive plans for set pieces to keep opposition eh ed - it must work, if our lads can't work em out what chance do the opposition have

Bandit06

Ed01{Ed001's Note - you can't blame the players for not understanding it, I mean one game 3 get left up for a corner, the next none!}

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22 Dec 2014 13:17:17
The amount of playing time Gerrard has been given is way to much and it affects how he plays. Anyone else think he should used the way Lampard is being used by Man City?

Also it seems like Gerrard has given up a bit? We need someone who can keep the team going. Would love to have Carragher at the sideline yelling his lungs out, but then again I would also like if Brendan would do this, he just seems to calm, when he should be yelling at some of the players that doesn´t perform.

RedFuzz

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Waro rage in 3. 2.1.

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I think you're spot on btw and posted the exact same thing the other month.

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Yeah I would actually let him leave in the summer. No manager has got the bottle to play him like lampard so he's just going to keep bringing everyone down week in, week out.
It's sad to see his final years with us as more of a hinderance after the career he has had.

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Don't think it's as simply as just let him go. We scored so many goals last season because he was sat where he is. defenses had to play deeper knowing the pace of Suarez and sturridge. and stevie G's ball over the top +free kicks EG sturridge vs Everton, Suarez vs westbrom. If we had that same sort of attack this year, I would definitely keep stevie in the team, as we'd be such a threat going forward. as it stand we don't have that speed and natural goalscoring up front to make teams sit back it's actually to the point we don't even have a striker on the pitch. This is when stevie should be benched.

It's worth noting when Lampard wasn't doing it any more, he was replaced by the likes of matic and fabregas, Stevie is being replaced by Can and Lucas. Also Lampard currently has toure fernando, fenandinho, kompany and joe hart behind him, let's not compare Lampards contract/playing situation to stevies.

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22 Dec 2014 12:24:03
so does that mean the groundstaff have now also been brendanded? i'm guessing the pennys final dropped that he won't be seeing out his 5 year rolling contract and now he's trying to take everyone else with him!

bwettysollocks316

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22 Dec 2014 12:22:04
so eds and posters due to the fact we have to watch what we are spending this window which positions (or position) do you all think is the most urgent to address? do you think we need a striker to come in with sturridge to hopefully be back soon ? or new GK, center half or full back positions?
i was hoping for bony in the summer but forgot about the african nations cup so would be away for a while.
chech could be the one for GK(but would he come?), but i'm unsure on other positions and worried with the clubs recent transfer failings who they will bring in especially in defence where we seem to throw good money after bad and we are still sub standard!. merry xmas all. cheers

redman matt

Ed01{Ed001's Note - has to be a keeper as number one, number 2 and number 3 priority. The only thing we should be buying is a keeper right now.}

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And for the love of god, buy the right keeper.

Kaizer

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22 Dec 2014 10:16:26
Morning Eds.

What were your thoughts on the game yesterday?

How do you think we played?.

Thanks

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it is a tough one to say because Arsenal were simply shocking yesterday. They constantly gave away the ball and were sluggish to press or put us under pressure, making it easier to pass it around at the back. While we did ok, at times playing some great football, we never really created the clear cut chances we should have done against a team so woefully out of sorts as Arsenal were. Far too many shots were hit and hope from the edge of the box.

Defensively we were as awful as ever, no one marking, everyone looking at each other for someone to blame and no one taking responsibility. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother having a captain on the pitch any more, as he does nothing a captain should. He doesn't organise, he doesn't cajole, he doesn't gee up, nothing. Either give the armband to someone who will take a bit of responsibility or don't bother with one at all, because at the moment it is not working. There is no leadership at all in the team.

Thankfully Arsenal were awful and the team should have gained in confidence, so, fingers crossed, the next performance should another step forward. Though the defending has to improve or there is just no point in us playing good football, it will all be undone by any half decent attack.}

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22 Dec 2014 10:40:35
Ed01, Adding to your points, Arsenal were still in that shock of 5-1 humiliation ( all the goals came from blistering counter attacks ).

Their idea was plain and simple, We are not going to attack you, Instead we will make sure, You don't break us in counter.

They never pressed us and we had more of the ball in the first half.

Any team in the PL could outmuscle Lucas and Gerrard in the middle.

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I couldn't believe how poor Arsenal were. This is the team that beat Galatasary 4-1.

They seem to have their own set of problems.

Ed001 reflects the objective match report from the Telegraph.

Two poor teams and a match that showed this.

Things will probably drag on how they are, until the end of the season.

I agree with much ed001 has to say.

Yuri

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Spot on, Ed01! Arsenal were terrible and because we were almost just as bad, a draw is what you get. As for defending and leadership, we haven`t got a leader since Carra retired. SG being a leader and taking charge? Less said the better. BR has no leadership in him hence, none on the field and as for our captain, he is captain in name only at the moment.

redohio

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Sack Brendan and give the armband to someone else, brilliant.

SCOTRED

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I can't believe people are pointing out more about Arsenal woefulness than give credit to Liverpool for making them that.

kopking786

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22 Dec 2014 09:35:55
Lazar Markovic is clearly a valuable member of our squad. as proven by his first-half performance yesterday. He's not afraid to run at defenders and is always looking to get involved. I don't think he should be expected to defend too much because he's not too great in that area but he does offer a lot going forward.
Emre Can must be immensely frustrated at his lack of chances as he's impressed in his few games so far.
He is a quality and versatile young player who we were lucky to get.
Adam Lallana is a skilful two-footed creator and, therefore, a rarity in British players.
The young Spaniard Moreno is a bit like Gareth Bale a few years ago insomuch as he's being used as a Left-Back but is clearly a much more effective Left-Mid/winger.
I don't think it was wrong of people to enthuse about the above Summer-signings but I do think they have been woefully mis-used or under-used.
Skrtel, Gerrard, Johnson and Allen should be a little less favoured by BR as automatic choices in my opinion.
Maybe the much maligned "transfer committee" have been let down by the manager. Maybe even Balotelli was a shrewd gamble? I know Ricky Lambert was a decent cheap option as an impact-sub for Europe etc. and at £4m I still think he was a good buy but he can't carry us.
It's taken half a season for the enigmatic genius BR to see what most posters on here could see in October.
He has the expensive tools to do a job but, like an amateur DIY'er he struggles to use them to their best effect.
He now realises his best formation but seems determined to make odd personnel decisions. . Brad Jones!?
We have young talent oozing out of our pores. . a pretty decent "toolbox" which far exceeds what Rodgers had at Swansea. Wisdom, Suso, Ibe and Llori should be at Anfield champing at the bit at the moment. . not out on loan.
Mis-management of a quality squad is, hopefully, going to cost Emperor Rodgers his reign.
Anyone who thinks I'm being harsh or misguided should Google our results this season. Those who think that because we played quite well v Man.Utd (0-3) and Arsenal (2-2) and that we've "turned a corner" should not lose sight of just how small-minded our leader can be.
Nobody can accuse him of talking sense in interviews. "We were better today than when we beat them last season"!?
Nobody can imagine him being poached by Real Madrid or Barcelona. .an ambition he has openly and disrespectfully aspired to (LOL).
I'm a season-ticket holder who isn't wealthy enough to accept second-best at nearly £900 a pop.
I have to juggle my shifts and even turn down loads of overtime just to get to games where I know I'll spend most of my time with my head in my hands.
I don't sacrifice as much as some of those who go to away games as well but I do think that I have the right to run the rule over my club's current manager and I'm not impressed with either him or his "coaching staff".
The philosophy of football is, wisely, build from defence. Rodgers gets a cross in that box. Alternatively, "have a great spine". again Rodgers fails if he thinks Brad Jones, Martin Skrtel, Joe Allen and Mario Balotelli are a "great spine".
In fact, Brendan's philosophy seems to be based on Spain 2010. There's no Plan B. Perhaps he should've gone to more night classes. Maybe he could Google something he could use to teach him how to train a £50m defence how to defend properly.
My contempt for Rodgers has hopefully been noted. God knows I've been saying it for long enough!
Merry Christmas everyone and here's hoping we don't lose too heavily at Burnley !

ANFIELDPETE

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22 Dec 2014 09:48:20
Markovic has pace and serious pace. Play him through the middle for once BR. He would take on people.
Again wasted on the flank.

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I think he's perfectly suited to the wing actually.
His decision making and crossing needs to get better though.

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22 Dec 2014 11:09:33
Mikey

Let's make him Our own Ashely young then? Or you wanna try moulding him to Hazzard?

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22 Dec 2014 11:25:37
Why does he have to be either of those players, harry? Can't he be Lazar Markovic?

Puzzled Red

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Markovich will never be Hazard. Ashely Young at best and he is still not there even. Sterling can be Hazard if he dramatically improves his decision making and finishing.

fanobip

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22 Dec 2014 11:57:02
Great post pete

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22 Dec 2014 12:06:43
Fanobip

Y so mate? Is that because Sterling is from our academy, or Sly and BT sports shower praises every hour on him?

There is a very thin line to be a world class or jack wilshere. Sterling could be either one.

Markovic is a sensational player and would go on to become world class.

Mark my words

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22 Dec 2014 12:18:09
Fanobip

If Sterling has to dramatically improve his finishing and decision making, what's he got now?
Running to defenders?

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Marko is a winger w/ blistering pace while Hendo is a CM suited for the high presss. They are both wasted as WB`s. Still shows BR has no idea what he is doing hence, we are still going around in circles.

redohio

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Not sure I know what your on about Harry, opened the sherry early this year?
Markovic is a winger every day of the week for me.
I'm made up he's showing a bit of form and is forcing his way into the team, I stick by what I said in the summer for now though. I wouldn't have spent £20m on him with Ibe in the team. But I really hope I'm wrong on that one and £20m looks a bargain by the end of the season.

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It seems by and large that any player that has ability with the ball at their feet and the eye for a pass, should autkmatically be played central. A view I don't share.

For me as good as they are and can be in the '10 role', the likes of sterling and Markovic are best deployed wide with the freedom to drift and receive the ball to attack defenders. I know many believe sterling is best utilised centrally, and right now I agree if we won't play with a recognised forward, but think we'll see him back wide at some point.

The best 10's attack zone 14 and get in between lines effortlessly and have an eye and the quality for slipping balls through I.e. Silva

Sterling in my opinion when not needed centrally would best be used like Hazard is at Chelsea. Licence to roam and recieve the ball to drive at defenders be it centrally or wife, but also does his duties going back. He definitely has the discipline for such a role.

And finally, incase I'm not about the next couple of days! Merry Christmas all, have a good'un!

Big E

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22 Dec 2014 15:20:40
Mikey

Play him through the middle much like Sterling last year.
Wasn't Sterling a winger when broke into the first team?
Marko is different from Ibe.
Marko isn't straight or direct, nor reach the byline and cut inside.
He has got a Robben in him.
I am convinced he would become a top class player.

That finish cool calculated on the left corner in the mix of all opposite defense isn't a winger blasting into the crowd.

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22 Dec 2014 09:30:36
A lively start. We looked brilliant for the first 15 minutes, then very good, then good, then not much better than Arsenal with occasional improved flashes. Once agaion, we saw flashes of why Markovoc & Lallana jad been bought - both looking quality for large chunks of the game. I thought it strange that Markovic was taken off - personally I would have taken Sterling off at that point as he seemed to have developed a very slight limp by then and had lost his pace a touch. Again, we played better without Johnson. Encouraging kast three games movement wise. One thing is apparent though - we have no 'presence'. Could Can provide it?

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22 Dec 2014 11:33:31
Perhaps Emre can provide us with some Christmas presence. Yo ho ho.

jeffinho

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Can should be playing ahead of SG and Allen, IMO. We have no leaders on the field which is why we are headless chickens when defending set-pieces. Carra would have cracked someone`s skull already and would have made players accountable had he been playing. BR has no accountability and blames everybody else for our issues so how do we expect there to be any from the players.

redohio

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22 Dec 2014 14:26:13
Redohio

We did splash 20 mill in the summer for our own new Carra, the leader and you know what happened next.

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21 Dec 2014 17:01:13
Hi ed
I was wondering whether Lewis Cook (leeds) has attracted interest from bpl clubs.Looks like a great player and at the age of 17 - he looks like a great prospect

Suhayblfc

Ed013{Ed013's Note - He is a great prospect and has already left a good impression with the England U17's after a very good tournament in the Summer. At 17 he has a good head on his shoulders and reads the game very well. He looks years above his age operating as either a defensive midfielder or in a attacking role, although I see him cementing the defensive midfield role for years to come. Scouts have heard of Lewis and have had him watched, the sticking point is his new contract, the Leeds owner doesn't want to sell and he is a first team regular already which he isn't guaranteed in the Premier League. I have no doubt that he will go on to be an established Premier League player and he has a great shout of being an England International, it just depends on how well his career is managed and I don't honesty believe that he will achieve this if he goes to a top Premier League Club now, only to sit in the reserves. Next season will see how far he has come, I believe he is a much bigger prospect than Sam Byram and Alex Mowatt which is a big call for 2 very good, young, established first team players}

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22 Dec 2014 09:10:47
I still see people having a go at Brad Jones. He is the back up keeper who has been called into action due to our first choice being in shocking form. There is no doubt that neither are good enough going forward because they both have holes in their game.

Yesterday, a world class keeper saves both of Arsenals goals. The header was soft regardless of the deflection and his reactions weren't up to the second goal. Neither were down to positional sense or doing the wrong thing. He just isn't good enough. Mingolet may or may not have saved tge first goal but he wouldn't have stood a chance at the second because he is worse than Jones at stopping shots with his feet.

Everybody is also conveniently forgetting the 6 or 7 times Jones came out and caught the ball to completely take the pressure off of the defence. Or the time when a loose ball ricocheted in behind and Jones beat both our dedenders and Arsenals attackers to the ball to stab it out of play. The amount of times he received a stupid back pass was also ridiculous and he never crumbled under pressure. His kicking still isn't acccurate enough but at least he can keep it in play and get it further up the pitch allowing us to regain shape. His actual distribution when he has the ball in his hands is brilliant though because he always throws it out.

I will admit that yesterday, De Gea, Lloris etc wins us the game. We need to find a keeper of that standard. However saying "Mingolet is better than Jones" purely because he might have stopped the first goal is being very simple minded because he wouldn't have done half the things that Jones did right. If you want a culprit for the goals we conceded then Skrtel is the main man at fault. He completely lost concentration for the first and was weak challenging the header due to the fact he had no idea Debuchy was behind him (although what was Gerrard doing fouling Sanchez in that position for the free kick? He was going nowhere). For the second he got caught ball watching and left Giroud completely open (although Gerrard was stood 2 yards away and he didn't see the danger either).

So yes, a better keeper might've won us the game. However Mingolet is not that man and also try to remember that the ball has to get past 10 other players before it gets to the keeper. Gerrard and Skrtel once again led to us conceding. Regardless of whether a better keeper would've saved them. Skrtel did pull the game back at least with a bloody good header but what did Gerrard do other than shoot about 5 times from too far out or shank 90% of his diagonal passes thus conceding possession? The annoying thing is everybody even on here (saw the post further down the page) can see that E.Can should be playing instead of Stevie in that deep role. He just isn't a holding midfielder. Putting Lucas next to him does not change that.

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Conjecture again I see. BJ is worse than Migs. That's the end of the discussion.

As has been said, Jones introduction to the side also came at the point Johnson was out and Sakho and Toure were brought in. The shots and crosses against us from UTD and arsenal were minimal, we are simply dominating posession int he mdidle of the park, reducing shots, and not having a true forward, it's why most our chances yesterday came from Grrard and coutinho shooting from distance.

I will agree, Migs and BJ aren't good enough, but you've dropped a keeper in mignolet, who even in his bad form, is still better than Jones

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22 Dec 2014 09:41:15
Adam

I agree with your views on the GK area. A top class keeper and world class DM would ensure quiet a lot safety to our Defenders.
Reina and Mascherano simply made Agger and Skretel the best pair in the league
We need to buy these two players regardless of any managerial chnage or CL revenue for the next season.
All the open play goals conceeded are the results of poor midfield protection.
Chelsea are the best example, Czech/Courtios and Matic are world class protection for their defenders.

Bang on with your post mate.

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Bobatron that is your opinion. You can't say 'end of discussion' and then not even give me any reason for your opinion. I'm not saying Jones is better. My point is that they're as bad as eachother for different reasons. Are you sure that's why we've had less shots at us? Because you cannot argue that Mingolet constantly giving away possession allows the opposition to attack us more frequently. You also cannot argue that Jones coming out a claiming the ball far more often than Mingolet reduces the number of shots on goal.

You've only served to prove my point mate because of your close minded analysis. Jones doesn't stop shots well enough. But he does a better job than Mingolet at preventing them from happening. Whereas Mingolet invites tge opposition to shoot but then deals with the shots better than Jones would.

It is purely a case of what you consider to be the lesser of the two evils. For me, Mingolet constantly giving away possession and never collecting crosses reduces our possession and makes us less likely to score whilst also making us more likely to concede. At least Jones' poor shot stopping capabilities only make us more likely to concede!

As you say, neither or good enough but you need to look at the bigger picture and then if you still disagree with my opinion, back your argument up without having the arrogance to say "end of discussion".

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22 Dec 2014 10:21:52
They're BOTH very average

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Btw it's worth Noting, that I think you're forgetting Jones simply booted the ball up field a lot yesterday aloowing mertesacker to head it to his own player, he threw a ball directly out to touch, It was a complete different set of ideals that brendan has been trying to impose on the team, there was very little centreback splitting which is what we saw under migs etc. It's also worth mentioning he booted the ball stright at sakho I think when trying to clear, thankfully sakho was able to control it and play it out wide.
I'm guessin most of this escaped peoples attention though, as it wasn't migs under the spotlight

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But you can definitively say Migs would not have saved Giroud's shot?

I've given my opinions previously on Jones, I didn't feel the ned to give them for the 100th time.

Jones didn't stop any shots, arsenal being woeful mneant there weren't any. How did the shot stopping go vs bournemouth and UTD?

Ask the question why Jones was kept out the team for so long by Migs, migs is the better keeper, if he wasn't Jones would have been in sooner. I can't think of why all of a sudden now BR's decided to drop Migs.

I do wonder how migs would look with sakho and toure as a partnership with lucas or can holding. Would have been nice to see that. sadly he got Johnson, skrtel lovren and gerrard.

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Jones is poor, more mignolet is barely average. However Mignolet has been stuck behind a defence constantly exposed by a weak midfield.

Mr Dennis

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Got to say bobatron, I'm a massive fan of Brad J.

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EMS, If we had Ronaldo up front or a forward of that standard we would have won yesterday and at Old Trafford, pointless point making comparisons of what would have happened if we had a better keeper, you could go through every position in the team saying that, were stuck with two poor keepers end of.

There you go again having a pop at Stevie but covering your arse with the defensive midfielder shout, have the balls to just say you don't want him in the team know matter what position he's played in.

You clearly think he's finished so why are you not criticising the other midfielders around him for not stepping up and taking some of the responsibility?

You implicated him in the Giroud goal yet completely gloss over the fact he's got one eye on the Arsenal player running in behind him who he could have left and gone to Giroud had one of your gaggle of favourites who are poor Sakho picked up the runner freeing him to cover Skrtel's poor positioning, you pontificate a lot on here about systems and stats and come across as a bit pompous and a bit of a smart arse tbh yet you have showed a complete lack of knowledge blaming Stevie in the second goal. Your just looking for anything to have a pop at him to justify your negativity toward him.

As I say, strap on a pair and just say you don't want anywhere near the side, but you won't because you know he could go on a run of games playing really well and have a positive influence on the team so you would then lose your self perceived credibility as the all seeing football eye.

Waro

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Plus EMS, blaming him for the first goal for giving a free kick away shows your bias against him, when he conceded that free kick did you think that's a goal now?

He was culpable in the goal but so were the rest of the team, the free kick should have been defended better, it was a free kick in a dangerous position ( something Lucas has done his whole carer by the way ) but poor defending caused the goal not the conceding of the free kick.

Waro

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22 Dec 2014 11:42:30
Easy now, Waro

I find myself in agreement with you and EMS on this point. EMS, I too think Can needs to play to give us that power - preferably in a holding role next to Lucas BUT maybe where he plays for Germany often, as a centre back? I think the back 3 system would suit him personally and with lpvren injured and skrtel being skrtel he could do eell.

This is where I agree with waro because I want Gerrard playing I think he can still turn it on and he's still a key player for us, personally. I know a lot of people have mixed feelings on here about him and where to play him but I think we're better with him.

Puzzled Red

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22 Dec 2014 12:07:28
Waro

Regardless of both the goals, I would want him to be dropped. He simply offers nothing in the middle.
Gets tired by 15th min and then its walking across the pitch. He then tries for the long balls which is a 50-50 hit or miss.
The other players around him most unfortunate, Henderson/lucas works double shift to cover his spaces.

Gerrard was never a CM/DM in his whole 17 years of professional career. A fantastic ACM 5 years back with Masch and Alonso behind, Even I would excel.

He was pushed ahead by Rafa with brining Hamann on the famous night at Istanbul in 2005.

For all the above reason, If he doesn't get a chance to play as an ACM then like every player He should be dropped.

Simple as that Mate.

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I've got better things to do than argue abusive comments. I don't want Gerrard playing in holding midfield. I don't see you verbally abusing the other posters who agree? Or Ed001 for that matter.

He was poor yesterday mate.he was poor against Bournemouth as well. Yet he looked very good against Leicester in an advanced role. I have never said I want him away from the team. You know that. So don't put words in my mouth. Gerrard conceded a silly free kick and didn't track Girouds run. The man behind him is irrelevant as Sakho is watching him anyway. I agree Sakho should've got tighter to that man but why does that give Gerrard an excyse to stand in no mans land marking nobody?

I get the impression you know Gerrard personally Waro and that is why you're so touchy on this subject. For the last time, I don't wabt rid of Gerrard. I want Rodgers to stop miss managing him!

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Bob, Mingolet is younger and with a better goal keeper coach he could become a good keeper but whilst his confidence is shot, Jones for me is the better option. I cannot definitively say Mingolet wouldn't have stopped Girouds shot to be fair however he conceded a very similar goal against Crystal palace. I think it was Ledley who drilled it through his legs from furtger out than Giroud actually scored from. A better way of wording that point would've been that Mingolet is no better than Jones at reflex saves with his feet so probably wouldn't have done any better.

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Puzzled I also want Gerrard playing further forward. Don't believe everything Waro says. I've never once suggested dropping Gerrard completely or forcing him out of the club.

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Well said Harry.

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22 Dec 2014 14:29:22
Adam

Disagree on Migs. He is poor and no coach in the world could make him good.

To come off the line or not is a decision you take. to distribute the ball to your player, he hasn't done one in 3 years.

He has to go. Simple.

Bang on with your view on Gerrard.

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Can't believe you edited my last post eds I thought it would slip through.

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Ems i agree with waro in that you spout some tripe on this site, i remember you going on about Balo and how much of a good gamble he will be and there was no down side to his signing you pointed out all the positives you could and then thought your point was made and it was the right one, i wonder what you think now, every time you go into one about a player you imply you know so much more about the said player and about football, I've read a lot of your posts and not once have you said you have got something wrong, you seem to be a know it all about players we sign and about our club, you praise BJones and say he done some things better than mingolet, well euro keepers don't come out and catch ball, and mingolet is known for his shot stopping, you high light mingolets mistakes and do the same for jones's catches, 2 different styles, but mingolet is still a better keeper because he was brought in as our number one, and if he was not playing so bad then jones would not have been playing, i have give mingolet loads of stick on here for his mistakes but he has also made some important saves in games which have saved us from getting beat, where with jones he looks like he will let goals in 70% of the time, against arsenal we all know a better keeper would have saved both them goals, De Gea has been held up as a yard stick, but any decent keeper would have saved them goals, even tim howard would have saved them, you don't know it all and your word is not law, i loved the way you moaned about waro not replying to other posters who say some thing about stevie but what put the icing on the cake is where you brought in one of the eds, why bring the eds into it you like a tell tale crying to the teacher lol

mbrock99

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On the point of stevie i think he should be managed the same way lampard is getting managed in games also he should not be playing every game his age is dictating his game in that he can't do what he used to do for us, i see this is the only way we can get the best out of stevie now, plus he should be moved up into the couthinio position and all defensive duties taken away from him so he stays up the field and save his legs, plus he can do more damage further up the field, the free kick he gave away was in a dangerous position and though it was not a nailed on goal against us it led to the goal we let in because one of the problems we have had for the last couple of seasons is ball into our box its a weakness of ours at the moment which has led to many goals and giving away a free kick around our box is very bad, stevie should have known better to sticj a leg out,

mbrock99

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I defended Balotelli from abuse. I've since admitted I was wrongly optimistic. Which you know because you were involved in the thread brock so don't be a child.

Mingolet is the better keeper but not when he is playing without confidence.

I didn't bring in one of the Eds. I asked Waro why he chooses to target me all the time and not the other posters or Eds who share my opinion.

I'm not being funny but this all just seems like petty jealousy because a lot of posters actually do value my opinion. I don't ask for people to do that. I just treat people with respect and give honest opinions.

I'm sorry but I had to laugh at your second post Brock. You just verbally slaughtered me and then basically retyped my argument on Gerrard in your own words.

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It is just funny that people on here can disagree with my original post what 12 times? And Harry's reply that says my post is absolutely spot on only gets 1 disagree.

Can't think of ways to attack the post so instead you all attack the poster using the disagree button as your troll weapon of choice.

This is just ridiculous. I'm trying to get on with my work and all I am doing is defending myself against trolls.

I, like many other posters, give up a lot of my time to come on here and share my views and opinions. If you don't like me, then just ignore my posts. If you cannot have a civil debate, then just ignore my posts. If you cannot come up with a genuine argument to counter my opinions, then just ignore my posts. Because quite frankly, the constant personal attacks are really tiring and something I can't be doing with.

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22 Dec 2014 08:43:13
i thought it was better yesterday in terms of workmate etc. But I just wonder how long we can carry on with the defending like it is. I keep hearing our form is returning, but no one can deny that right throughout Rodgers managership our defending has been poor. We have shipped goals for fun. I am now beginning to understand what Rodgers meant when he said death by football, yeah, its definitely killing us at the moment.

Strange shape

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22 Dec 2014 08:58:25
We need to start making some tough calls. We need to drop a few players and start playing players on their right position and see how much improvement it brings.
Regardless we need a top class GK, Else it's more goals conceded.

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Who would be your first choice 11 Harry forgetting about Sturridge first then who would you drop for Sturridge.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You will have to post this as a new thread on the Teams page.}

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22 Dec 2014 09:22:42
Sure Ed002.

Mcgoveb

I'll post it on the team page mate.

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Ok sorry guys

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22 Dec 2014 08:28:22
Hi Ed, any chance LFC can bring Alexandre Lacazette I'm upcoming transfer window to solve goal scoring issue?
Thanks

SeeingRed

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22 Dec 2014 06:43:02
Hi Eds

You still think its possible that we might look to bring in a Striker in January? Even though we have Sterling who is playing up there and Lambert/ Sturridge o come in?

dezmondo14

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22 Dec 2014 02:28:06
Hi eds, I wondered if you could validate some information I recieved from someone I know who is now working within the club, I've been told we are in talks with Kiko casilla, also Borini(inter)and Lucas(fiorentina) are both gone.
I wonder if you had any idea who the club are looking at as a potential Replacement for Brendan should the axe swing?
Cheers ed, merry Christmas

Hutch

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22 Dec 2014 06:47:56
Would it be too much to ask 12 points from out next 5 league games?

Haych   Haych
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Yes it would be too big a task for a team managed by Brendan. Skrtel according to Brendan is a world class defender in spite of the two goals we conceded because of his poor positioning and everyone apart from Brendan can see that Skrtel is a defensive liability. A defender should be judged for his defensive abilities and not for the goals he scores. If Skrtel cannot do his primary job properly, then why does he start every game? How does Brendan not see these mistakes and take necessary action when they have been happening for the last 3 seasons? Maybe our manager just does not care for defending and wants to outscore the opposition every game and yet no specialist striker started the last 3 games. The man has lost the plot, not LFC quality.

Indian Buzzer

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Too little. If you ask - ask for 15.

fanobip

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You know we can't defend right?

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22 Dec 2014 08:09:20
Not every team plays like Arsenal.

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You're right Harry. Most teams will play way better than Arsenal did yesterday. They might not be as clinical but they will certainly play with a bit more passion.

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22 Dec 2014 09:46:16
Adam

Yes, Arsenal were poor and Wenger got everything wrong. TBH Sanchez is saving his time at Arsenal.
If the so called perfect team couldn't by pass a veteran Gerrard and a static Lucas through the middle, they should stop playing football.
West sham with the same formation ripped us through the middle.

But ADAM they do get the goals in. And so they get the points.
Spurs, UTD and Arsenal all are the same. Play sloppy and poor but grind out the results.

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22 Dec 2014 04:55:12
The display yesterday showed that were are becoming a force again and are slowly finding the football we played last year. With sturridge available we could have easily won both match against Man U and Arsenal. Markovitch and lallana is playing well and should start every game but Sterling for me should be rested a few match because he seems really tired. With Sakho back and Lucas and coutinho finding their form, we could beat any team but BR should buy a new stopper in January because both Mignolet and Jones are not good enough for us.

Salim

Ed01{Ed001's Note - the same Sterling that was running Arsenal ragged even at the end of the match was tired??}

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Our best performance this season but is it the case of too little too late? 9 points behind West Ham, 7 behind Southampton, 5 behind Arsenal and Spurs. There one too many clubs ahead of us and it will be difficult to catch all of them IMO.

But, yesterday was something that worked and we need to ride this momentum through the festive period and hopefully we can translate the performances like yesterday into results.

The real AG

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I disagree with you Ed001 and I feel he is not playing up to his standard because he can't play each and every match for a guy of his age.

Salim

Ed01{Ed001's Note - disagree all you want but his age is the age when he is best suited to a playing the games. He is not 17, he is just about to hit his physical peak.}

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Yep, a poor loss and a draw shows we are becoming a force again. They were slightly encouraging as far as performance and effort but we achieved one point and are in a poor league position. Long way to go before they can start handing out the gold stars and pats on the back

Blocked

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22 Dec 2014 07:58:57
I don't think he's physically tired. He's just making poor choices and his touch is off, which is a mental thing as much as anything else. Some people respond best to being out of the limelight to collect themselves mentally, some are crushed by being withdrawn and makes it twice as hard to rebuild themselves. I think once he's more used to being the focal point up front (or Balotelli and Sturridge become available again and he moves back down the field) he'll be fine

hjikle

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I agree there are some encouraging signs. We controled the midfield much better yesterday, in the first half they hardly got near our box and we did create a lot of chances. And we even scored a header from a corner for the first(!) time this year - something I complained a lot about.

Markovich is way better than Allen although his main strength is running with the ball into open spaces - I am still not convinced he is pysically strong enough or has the one on one skills to go passing defenders and send accurate crosses into the box. We played in the past week three games agaisnt teams who play very open game. I think players like Markovich and Coutinho (our best player yesterday) may struggle against a more physical opposition who closes the game. We also still need to massively improve our finishing. I still hope (maybe naively) we can bring Baloteli into form, although when he is in, one of the 4 who are responsible for creating the chances has to be out, so tricky.

Until we have a new GK I would prefer Mingolet on Jones, I think he may have stopped the first goal yesterday.

I still think, if we can improve further and get a fit Sturridge back we have a chance in the Europa League if we take it seriously. Top4 in the league still looks beyond us as we left us so much to do for the second half of the season. No team with the number of points we have now has ever finished higher than 6 at the end of the season.

fanobip

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22 Dec 2014 08:12:28
Encouraging?

Playing 3 at the back adding another 2 static holding players which means 5 in your own half, inviting the opposition to come and kill us?

The only reason we looked like Spartans yesterday, Arsenal are poorer than us by all means but they do manage to nick goals and get points.

They were afraid to come to us.

Henderson a RWB?
Markovic a LWB?

BR is yet again riding his luck like last season.

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A 3-0 loss and 1 last gasp header to draw, and things are looking up. I hope we can keep this form throughout the rest of the season

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TBH, the only reason he would be a little tired is because we seem to rely on him more than other players. It was evident when Markovic was subbed and Sterling went to LWB. Almost every ball was played to the left side for Raheem to attack.

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22 Dec 2014 04:14:51
Small question for anyone who knows. When is Suso due to be back. I'd imagine sometime very soon.

DPK14

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January. It is irrelevant as he will leave LFC.

The real AG

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Suso and has been well and truly Brendaned. There is no hope for the lad while clueless Brendan is still at the club. I pray that FSG sack him as soon as possible so the club may still have a chance of keeping Suso, Sakho and Lucas. They are way more valuable to the club than the manager who is totally out of his depth.

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21 Dec 2014 21:22:18
Ed001 what do you make of rodgers comments about the pitch today? Seems he's putting more of the blame at someone else's door. It'll be the tea lady next!!

Jrb

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I was a bit shocked to be honest, it didn't look that bad and certainly the ball never showed any signs of deviation or holding up in places at all. It did seem like a 'who can I blame today' moment I agree, even though there didn't seem to be any need. Mind it was not as bizarre as the idiotic comment about it being a better performance than last season's!}

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Didnt notice anything about the pitch the whole game.

what did you think of the game ed001?

in short, personally I think the problem today was

1. Our defending costed us, 2 shots on target, 2 goals.

2. Our finishing costed us as well, should have scored more with the opportunity we had.

Kaizer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - defending was shocking, Rodgers even admitted that the marking on the second was appalling, but I am sure he will carry on picking the main culprit anyway, and subbing off anyone but him. The players are positionally confused, we had a back 5 for most of the match with Gerrard and Lucas dropping in alongside the 3 centre backs, when we had the ball. What on earth was the point in that? We are still inviting pressure on ourselves, though yesterday we got away with it, due to Arsenal being utterly woeful, we won't against a team really up for it.

Not sure we had that many good opportunities, a huge amount of the shots were Gerrard seeing his name in the papers again and hitting it the moment he got within 40 yards. The only thing I like about him playing deeper was that he got less opportunities to give the ball away by hitting it every time he could, sadly yesterday he found a way to do both. What on earth happened to his shooting? He was always prone to wasting possession by hitting and hoping in the past, but at least he racked up a decent number of goals from it, but those goals seem to have dried up completely. I have stopped even getting excited now when he hits it, not even that brief moment of wondering if he has done another 'you beauty' moment.}

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Brendan knows he is going to be shown the door. He is just putting the blame on others to make himself look good. Woeful players like Skrtel, Gerrard and Johnson get picked for every game when fit while important players like Lucas and Sakho have been marginalised. i'm not convinced at all that we have turned a corner. Its only a matter of time when he goes back to Lovren, Allen and Johnson to be his saviors while one of our best players in Lucas is leaving on a bloody loan without a proper replacement being sought. If Ca had played instead of Gerrard, he would have bullied Cazorla and Sanchez and not given them an inch of space to operate. Instead LFC fans were treated to watching their captain being outrun, outsmarted by a poor Arsenal team eventually costing us 2 extra points. And the worst part is Skrtel's goal means that Brendan will persist with him just because he scored, and ignore the fact that his 'favorites' were responsible for both of Arsenal's goals. Absolute joke of a manager.

Indian Buzzer

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I think BR is just not a good enough defensive coach. The only way we can win games is by outscoring the opposition and we don't have the strike power to do that this season.

The real AG

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22 Dec 2014 08:28:46
Ed01, I have promised my frndz and colleagues, I am not watching another Liverpool match with Gerrard and skretel starting.

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22 Dec 2014 09:55:01
There have been past comments made about the anfield pitch by Rodgers, if I remember correctly it's to do with the drainage system being old and we're unable to replace it. At least it was something a long those lines, I think. To me the pitch seemed ok though!

Big E

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The commentators pitch side did comment about the pitch being poor condition, though it was unnoticeable on TV

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21 Dec 2014 21:38:44
I'm assuming my post has gone because it attracted the usual abuse from the knuckle draggers?

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21 Dec 2014 23:02:08
Tbh thought we played amazing today and well say fair enough to BR - have been very critical of him but has found a unique formation that seems to be working a lot better. Had sturridge played today would have put them to bed. Still unsure about marko and Hendo as WB as think they have a lot to offer in their preferred roles.

Still can't defend though, everyone wants to blame the formation or 3 at the back but watch the goals. First goal arsenal won 3 headers in a row and skrtel losing to debuchy just isn't exceptable and just didn't pick him up. Same with their second 3 CBs around Giroud yet no one near him or there to block the pass. Just basic errors which took away from a fantastic offensive performance.

Also why can't coutinho shoot!? Baffles me someone so talented who has so much skill in every other area. If he could get more clinical and consistent genuinely think he would be one of the leagues best players.

Roland-dinho

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22 Dec 2014 01:01:27
Phil should have had a hat trick

Essexred884

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I think there is a small problem with his technique when shooting. He always drags his shot to the left almost as if he hits with the inside of his boot even when shooting from long distances.

The real AG

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21 Dec 2014 19:01:31
Great performance! Hopefully start scoring more goals in the next few games. Please get behind Rodgers, maybe abit too late but we have finally found our formation. Enjoy watching us again.

It's such a shame our defence still has problems. How can we solve this?

ElNino94

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Arsenal were there for the taking and had we had a clinical striker (Studge), we would have thumped them again. I wasn`t surprised we outplayed them and created more chances than them because they are woeful and Wenger is completely deluded because ONLY a fool would play the Ox. Not for the 1st time AGAIN, other teams don`t have to work hard to take points off us. Arsenal were dire YET did enuff to almost win the game. Apart from that, I liked the game BUT the 3-5-2 is not the way to go cus Marko (who had a good game and did his best) is not suited to play wing back. We just have to keep pace UNTIL we get healthy again and go from there.

redohio

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Yeah, it's a good enough formation to play until Sturridge is back.

But I know what you mean, we aren't getting the best out of Markovic and Hendo

ElNino94

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21 Dec 2014 19:35:36
Were are all those who said Wenger would bully BR and they would score 4 today?

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It looked like a couple of pub teams.

Yuri

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Just glad to see BR seems to be giving the team a little more license to attack and move the ball quickly forward rather than that rubbish play-it-around-the-back 'control the game' nonsense we played the previous 20 games. What I find maddening is we could have been playing like this all season and if we had a decent striker fit we'd probably be doing pretty well.

RDL

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That is the most FRUSTRATING thing with BR and his useless, slow possession tactics. He has used half a season to literarily prove himself WRONG with this failed system. Now we are playing catch up due to his gross mismanagement and arrogance.

redohio

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Everyone says we need to score more goals! We scored 2 which is plenty, how about don't concede goals instead.

Redwin

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This season, with the way we've been playing, i was starting to think we had a bad squad and bad players - That maybe the management and coaching was only part of the problem. That's been the most frustrating part of it all - doubting the quality of the players, thinking "rubbish, do we have to get rid of them all. ? That is never going to happen". But watching the game today brought me back to reality. These players absolutely have it in them! You just wonder why they haven't been able to show that for the first 20ish games? You'd almost be tempted to say that something restricted them? But hey, what could that be?

lavije

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Oh I thought we only got a lucky draw against the team we completely trashed last season. Progress eh.

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Its more of a 3 4 3 than a 3 5 2 tbh, but formations don't really matter anyway, i believe there has been other changes that led to this improvement in our play.

At the moment, with our squad, Markovic, Lallana, and Sakho must start.

Kaizer

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21 Dec 2014 18:53:15
Obvious we played better today and the formation is working slightly, what is missing is a fit Danny studge or a similar goal scorer. We can't put mario in as he is so static and we won't have the same type of flow and movement same goes for lambert.

I also think borini has player maybe his last game if Brendan gets his wish and sells him freeing us up some cash if possible for a striker.

Eds or EMS have you seen laczette play before? Or would you look a Torres coming in if borini and mario go?

Red Said Fred

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Lacazette won't be moving in January.}

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21 Dec 2014 21:49:40
Jackson Martinez?

Red Said Fred

Ed02{Ed002's Note - If someone pays the money, then he will move.}

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21 Dec 2014 18:26:25
Can't believe we didn't win that game! Looks like BR has found a formation that brings sone of last season's style back so that's good but we really need a quality striker for Christmas, we'd have won that game with a goalscorer upfront and possibly would have fared better at OT last week.

Good to see Markovic and Lallana starting to come good too, hope we can push on from here!

johnnyr1970

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3 at the back, defensively, is never going to help us. Sakho should be starting though, he played well.

Seano

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A better goalkeeper would of won us the game too! brad jones and mignolet aren't good enough to player for liverpool in my opinion.

tonkz99

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How did a gk cost us the game today ? Our problem was converting the chances we had

Irishkop82

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Seano is right. 3 at the back doesn`t suit us because we don`t have the WB`s to play that system effectively. Sakho was a beast and has shown how useless BR is by not playing him due to IMO, non-football reasons. Arsenal were aweful YET could have won the game which shows that our probs are still there and worse of all, the confidence in the team is shot because it feels they can do nothing right hence mentally, we are in a complete rutt. We need to do better because our season is wilting away with every unnecessarily dropped point.

redohio

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In what world did lallana look good? When he dribbles straight into arsenal players, when he made horrible passes ending our attacks, when he made linear runs directly toward or in front of coutinho and sterling taking away space, or was is his trapping that always takes the ball away from him so he has to chase it. Or maybe its his inability to contribute defensively. If those are your definitions of coming good you must think lovren is the second coming of Christ.

lfcohio

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Lfcohio Lallana, Coutinho and Markovic all played very well ----
we are missing a striker and that has
cost us 5 points in the last two games

Puzzled

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As a fellow Ohioan, I will disagree w/ you there. Lallana was a thorn in their flesh and even Wenger said so. He ran his socks off. I do agree he was a bit erratic atimes but IMO, it was due to him trying so hard to ake an impression and help us win which I will NEVER fault a player for. Remeber he is still settling in and IMO, I thought he played very well overall.

redohio

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Have to disagree lfcohio. Only one player on the pitch was better than Lallana for me and that was Coutinho. He was class today but Lallana was right up there. His control was brilliant every time. He lost possession a few times because he was trying to make things happen. The lack of movement made that very hard though.

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Irishkop, were you watching? Jones was at fault for both goals, a good keeper would have swallowed both of those up. That's the fifth critical error that he has had in three games. Not good enough by a mile.

Mr Dennis

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We have Moreno and Johnson who can play as the wing backs ? Not sure if Flanangan or Manquillo can

barber68

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Coutinho needs to work on his shoot could have 2 or 3 today part from that he was class

dezyboy2

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22 Dec 2014 03:41:34
Setting aside the fee paid for him, and based simply on talent, Lallana is far and away potentially the best buy we made last summer.

Apart from Cazorla, he looked, not for the first time, the most intelligent player on the pitch. Always looking for the ball, always trying to make something happen.

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21 Dec 2014 11:55:42
General question for all reds and Ed001 if he wants to answer.

If for example we was going to play Everton on the 24th of dec, And Man Utd on the 26th of dec, Knowing it would ruin your Christmas.

If you had to lose 1 win 1 (no option of winning both) who would you beat and who would you lose too.

Personally i'd Beat Utd and lose to Everton as 1- I don't live in Liverpool so wouldn't have to face the Blues fans and 2- i'd rather lose to Scousers than Mancs.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I would beat Everton, as otherwise the blue noses in my family as insufferable!!}

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As Lauren said when asked who was better out of T.Henry and Begkamp, "that is like choosing between your son and daughter"

Ed01{Ed001's Note - not when you have to spend Xmas day with bluenoses.....}

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21 Dec 2014 12:57:41
Man UTD all the way. Everton would always remain a small club regardless of any outcome.
English Football was all about Liverpool and UTD

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Everton just so davey boy blue has a rubbish christmas and can't sit at home beating it to an everton win on MOTD highlights. Most UTD fans that come on here are rather respectful I've found, DBB is just vermin though

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21 Dec 2014 13:35:28
Bob

He might have it already. They were terrible against saints yesterday. Well beaten.

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21 dec 2014 18:08:27
united. every day of the week. i'd rather beat chelsea than everton.
the bluenoses are nothing really

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21 Dec 2014 18:35:02
Yeah United for me too. Would rather beat a prestigious club than a nobody club.

AnfieldUSA

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I'm in foreign lands so United all the way. If back home then Everton.

Seano

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UTD all day. Everton? The less said, the better about that jealous lot.

redohio

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21 Dec 2014 11:13:06
My thoughts on today's match.

I think we'll continue with Sterling up front, he'll get plenty of chances against a makeshift Arsenal defence, but the question is will he be clinical enough to put his chances away? Will he be full of confidence after a very good performance against Bournemouth?

For me, the key man will be Lallana. What a difference he has made for us in recent games. He gives us that extra quality in the final third and he will find ways to exploit Arsenals defence.

Lucas has to start, as do Sakho and Toure, and hopefully we can get a win today.

I'm going for a 3-2 win. Sterling, Gerrard and Lallana to score.

Red Rum

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4 2 to Arsenal I hope but I also fear 4 2 to you.
It depends on which Arsenal and which Liverpool turn up today, we're both capable of the good the bad and the down right embarrassing this season

gunner62

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21 Dec 2014 12:58:25
If Lucas plays, Y would you think they would score 2?

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I just think we're going to see 2 teams both going for it today. I think the likes of Sanchez could take advantage of Moreno's defensive frailties (if Moreno is selected of course). Personally, I'd prefer Can at left back for this game. We also don't know if Sakho will be able to play the full 90 minutes having been out so long.

Red Rum

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21 Dec 2014 13:19:26
Red

Sanchez isn't great tracking back and Moreno has the same pace as Sanchez. If Moreno gets going then we could see Sanchez shifting to more central.
We haven't seen the best of Moreno as He is asked to hold back. I would want him to take the game to Sanchez.
The lad the age of 21 missed the spanish team by a whisker.

I am more worried at Henderson against Ox. He would eat Hendo at the right side.

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Isn't the Ox injured?

Red Rum

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21 Dec 2014 10:45:03
Hi eds and fellow reds,

What and were have all these torres rumours come from? I was a massive fan of his in the re d shirt and it gutted me that he left but why bring him back? I know we're in the crap in the striking department but is he the answer we need? Plus also read that balotelli is off to napoli in jan that wouldn't be a bad thing

gaz81

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21 Dec 2014 11:56:12
It would make no sense to Sell Balletolli and get Torres.

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Why on earth would we need another basket case. If we need anything it's a goalie and a striker who's on fire, not one who is long past his sell by date. He was brilliant for us once upon a time, let's just enjoy the memories and look forwards.

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Ignoring the acrimonious circumstances in which he left our club: he is well past his best as a player and nowhere near good enough - why on earth would we want him back?

Seano

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We are already hamstrung by injured and misfiring strikers. Why would we be interested in a complete and total has-been who will b off to retirement in 2 yrs?

redohio

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21 Dec 2014 10:18:06
positive thinking lad hope we get the win today finish a bad year on a high it was one of the years that makes us love liverpool from the high of nearly winning the league to the low of now hopefully 2015 will be a lot better for us onwards and upwards
HAPPY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPYIER NEW YEAR TO ALL

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21 Dec 2014 09:47:53
Not sure what the rumours about Delph are all about. Great little player but he is just like Henderson. We already have Hendo, Can, Allen, Lallana, Coutinho and Gerrard capable of playing a central midfield role and Delph is too rash to be a holding midfielder and not creative enough to be an attacker. Maybe if we do a swap deal for Joe Allen it makes sense as he'd be a good impact sub with his energy and also a good cover option for Hendo.

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I don't see the point in bringing more of the same. We need to bring in a defensive midfielder and a pass master.

Red Rum

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21 Dec 2014 10:19:37
Red Rum

You got it. And we need two real quality signing.

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He ain't a bad DM though

dezyboy2

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Have to agree with you both. He is not needed.
I remember seeing him at Elland Road a few times (Dads a Leeds season ticket holder). He did look the business then and thought he would go on to bigger things.

MarcO

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21 Dec 2014 11:00:16
The first thing we need to do is get some proper quality between the sticks

wiwar1000

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Delphs a poor player

Big Al

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Will never be a first teamer and, if signed, will just be denying any youth the chance of coming through. We should steer clear.

Seano

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IMO, we don`t need to buy any player EXCEPT if someone leaves (Lucas, Balo, or Migs) or if there is a need. We might need a goalie or striker BUT I doubt BR will get any money due to his dreadful record in the TW.

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21 Dec 2014 09:12:14
The rumour mill going around again that El nino is to sign?! Any news on this Eds or is it just media looking for a story?

Djleeperry

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Lazy journalism at best.

Mr Dennis

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21 Dec 2014 10:51:23
It will certainly create a storm inside anfield ;-)
Look up what el nino really is

ReetRed

Ed01{Ed001's Note - el nino? The boy. El nina is what he gets called in Spain mostly nowadays.}

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Haha, it's a shame not more people on here know any Spanish. Brilliant Ed.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it is true mate, me mam and dad live out there and Torres is not well liked.}

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Don't worry reet I got it lol

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21 Dec 2014 14:53:07
Ed001
hats off to your knowledge of Spanish .

ReetRed

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21 Dec 2014 07:57:25
Hi eds,

I remember either ed001 or Ed002 saying that we won't be signing a "replacement" for lucas over the summer because Can is the replacement. However, I don't think Can has even played a single minute there, and so, do you think Rodgers will sign another DM who is creative enough when we have the money?

Thanks.

zpecialone

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Lucas will at some point leave (January or the summer) but Liverpool are not looking at a direct replacement for him at this time.}

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That's what we do now, sell our most important players and never replace them. Ie. Suarez.

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You would have to question the logic of a manager who wants to sell the only centre midfielder that we have who can play the midfield anchor effectively.

It's no shock that of the games he has played we look a lot tighter as a derensive unit, just look at the Man U game, was dropped to make way for Allen and we looked weak and ineffective.

I hope Rogers is shipped out before this ghastly mistake is made.

Mr Dennis

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to be grasping the situation at all.}

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21 Dec 2014 10:09:57
BS

Where were all these people when Lucas was warming the bench for GERRARD whole last season.

Lucas himself would be surprised to see the fake love here. He was booed by the KOP once when subbed for Alonso. He was never good enough at the Mascherano era.
Was always the first list of Sale.

Unbelievable love.

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If I remember rightly Can was signed as Lucas replacement. Also it would be great to see Rossiter be in the first team squad more. Don't get me wrong I do like Lucas but people over react so badly.

Mighty reds

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21 Dec 2014 10:22:00
Mighty

You are mistaken mate. There is no love for Lucas here. They just need some names to take down BR.
CAN is latest for not getting games. None would give a damm if we were wining games.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Lucas is one of my faves Harry.}

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If Lucas goes he goes. I feel Can is an adequate replacement. Lucas return coincided with playing stoke, leicester and Sunderland, So I would expect us to look better, he looked terrible vs Basel though.

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21 Dec 2014 12:02:18
@ Passion.

You know Lucas played the majority of league games until January last season at DM and we were top of the league on Christmas Day? And Gerrard was only tried at DM in the first place because Lucas was unavailable against Stoke (can't remember if it was injury or suspension)?

And you remember that the next game Lucas had to come on at half time and Gerrard be pushed forward a little because we weren't getting a kick in midfield, and that probably would've been the status quo for the rest of the season had Lucas not gotten injured again in that game?

Some people have strange memories. The season ran from August to May, not mid-January to May.

- Something Red -

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21 Dec 2014 12:03:04
Heard on here that we are not looking to replace him with a DM but a player who can create from the back.

KrishnaYNWA

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I've loved lucas from day1, even when he was hated like Allen is now.
He loves liverpool, same as agger.
2 class men we should be proud to have represent us.

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I don't think Can is an adequate replacement at all. He played DM earlier in the season (can't remember who we were facing) and he looked lost. That's not to say he couldn't improve but right now getting rid of Lucas would be a bad move unless we are looking to bring in a top quality DM.

Red Rum

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21 Dec 2014 11:43:39
Ed01.

I know that mate, You a fan of everyone except Allen. lols

Bob

Spot on. We had two men holding against Basel and Lucas was torn apart by the pacy Basel attackers. Some here has no clue on the game and just throw random names up down and center.

All they believe is one JOE ALLEN change is all left for the Title.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I like Allen, he just doesn't fit our team.}

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Sorry is this the same harry? because i remember many people who like lucas here.

Kaizer

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21 Dec 2014 12:00:42
I know that Ed01, you are the only one who lives everyone. Lols

Bob

Spot on mate. We had two holding players against Basel and Lucas was turned apart by the Basel players.
All they believe is we are short of the title by one Joe Allen change.
We need a CM and a DM boy top class

Ed01/033
Got some probs with my PC as I couldn't send post through it. Anything wrong with the IP

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it came through fine, both times.}

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21 Dec 2014 12:54:04
Something Red

Am sorry mate, But you need to check your memory, As It was Gerrard injured and Lucas got a run in the team.
We played with Lucas holding and Hendo and Allen either side of a diamond and ripped Spurs all over.
When Gerrard came back from Injury Lucas went back to the bench and this VERY OWN page had no issued with it.

Like Lucas, I love Agger But wouldn't want him back at the club These things happens in football

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21 Dec 2014 13:40:30
Rather than argue over our respective abilities to recall last season, I'd thought I'd check. Takes less than five minutes if you know were to look. I counted four League matches out of twenty between the start of the 2013-14 season and the 1st of January that Lucas didn't start.

Allen was actually the one out of the team until Gerrard got injured, and then Gerrard's first start back on the 12th of Jan coincided with Lucas being unavailable, so he was moved to DM. Gerrard's second game as DM was against Villa, he was moved out of there at half time because he wasn't getting a kick. Only for the fact that Lucas got injured against Villa after coming on at HT, he probably would've been back in the starting line up until the end of the season.

The last time I can remember a significant portion of Liverpool fans not rating Lucas, Roy Hodgson was the manager. So I don't think there's any fake love going on, or was there any failure on the part of Liverpool fans to criticise BR for dropping Lucas last season, because there was a run of half a dozen games at most near the end of the season where he didn't play when available.

- Something Red -

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21 Dec 2014 13:42:16
Rather than ragging on Lucas, claiming he has/had no effect and referencing last season. You have to take into account how potent our attack was and the impact that had on the opposition. We dominated and scored plenty on a consistent basis, this meant teams had to sit back rather than try and control and dig away at us. And when they did we had plenty on the transition or were already 3-4 goals up which certainly helps.

Prior to Lucas' initial knee injury he was an absolute monster in that role, remember when he dominated Yaya? I bet you thought he was top notch then. Lucas offers so much to us even if he has lost a yard of pace, his reading of the game and tactical know how far outweighs Gerard's and his ability to spray a ball around. Lucas moves it on quickly rather than waiting for there to be a 'Hollywood ball' on half the time. Ended up ranting a bit here, but Lucas doesn't deserve some of the critiscm he gets.

Big E

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I don't remember a poor performance from Can the only game I can think of was Hull where he played or chalesea. (That I saw) he did ok in both games, reading up, he played vs QPR but I wasn't able to watch that game so can't comment. From what i've seen he can play the DM role well. I think I'd personally prefer him there, with the chance to get forward when the game offers it.

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21 Dec 2014 01:38:44
Not lfc related, but what the hell is going on at dortmund???

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21 Dec 2014 10:39:41
I watched their game yesterday and they played like . Liverpool. Think first half against Hull or Aston Villa. Was pretty abysmal but I know they've had lots of injuries.

Essexred884

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20 Dec 2014 20:13:05
If we lose tomorrow we could be 5 points off ninth, if there was ever a time we needed a massive result this is it. Big day tomorrow guys let's hope the boys fight for a massive win and that we can all get behind the team.

Les82

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Let's hope Rodgers puts in a big shift cod its all about team selection tomorrow.arsenal are missing there midfield so we can hurt them with the right selection

Irishkop82

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What is special about the 9th place? and why is a win today more important then any other game we will have between now and the end of the season?

fanobip

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Because we are becoming detached from the top half. A loss tomorrow and a bottom half finish looks distinctly possible.

Les82

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20 Dec 2014 19:37:34
There is a section of Arsenal fans who don't like Wenger. Yet he is still a canny and knowledgeable manager.

Without doubt he will have analysed every change and selection Rodgers has made, his every tactic.
The produced plan A, B and C to counter whatever move Rodgers makes.

He probably knows the team Rodgers will select before BR chooses it. He probably even analyses every blade of grass. Such is Wenger.

This is still a big match for both teams.

Yuri

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Well that's more than Rogers knows about his own team.

Mr Dennis

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Typo - ' Then produced'.

Wenger will be fully aware of Rodgers selecting Allen over Lucas. The passing for passing sake in our own half and the Barcelona style of no striker and trying to score from ball playing mid-fielders. This is all very well if one has Barcelona quality. Because Barcelona win by quality not a 'system'.
Galatasary are a good team, but Arsenal gave them a good seeing to in Turkey !
Arsenal have a few pieces missing from their jigsaw, but the good ones they have, are very good.

I expect 0-0 at half time, then Arsenal hitting us on the break a couple of times in the second half.
They will watch the Rodgers 'system', wait until things break down. Then hit us.
Stevie Gerrard will do his best to get us out of jail.
Stevie deserves more in his twilight years.

Yuri

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20 Dec 2014 20:26:14
There is defo a group of people here who wants BR out. And all of them are going to be disappointed as the luck which saved him last season has come back after an interval.

We ll beat Arsenal and will beat them well good.

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Yuri, you give Wenger way too much credit. When Arsenal plays, they play the same way and get well beaten on the road almost every time because Wenger has learnt absolutely nothing fro the terrible drubbings he has recieved over the years. They can`t defend, can`t defend set-pieces, their midfield is porous and their defenders don`t like tackling, their keeper and CB`s are suspect and if you even breathe on them and put a little pressure on them like we did last year or Stoke did this year, they will crumble. Sound familiar? Wenger analyzes nothing because he has learnt nothing. The diff b/w us and them is that we can actually affect our own fate and make changes to move the club forward. Arsenal on the other hand, will have to think 1,000 times over b4 letting him go and his relationship w/ the fans is like a bad one b/w a guy and a girl. A girl knows this relationship is getting bad BUT as soon as the guy makes a kind gesture, she will take him back. On that note, they (he and the fans) deserve each other. As for tmrw, the team that can capitalize on the other team`s mistakes the most will prevail. Hopefully, BR will not give them the upper hand by selecting the wrong line up or the wrong tactics which will defo give them the leg up going in.

redohio

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Way to much creditfor Arsene there I agree, we play the same way every time and when it works it's great and when it doesn't, well you all know from last season what's happens then, ouch

gunner62

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You will see tomorrow.

Yuri

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For all of Wenger's faults, he is still a much better manager than Brendan. I really do not see us getting a result against Arsenal, Sanchez will be the difference between the two teams imo.

Indian Buzzer

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Buzzer, that was/is not the argument as it is clear one has been coaching for about 3 decades with success and experience while the other is an infant who thinks he`s a know it all because he managed to come second (which is 1st place in Loser Land). The prob is neither of them learn from their mistakes because they are too full of themselves, foolishly set in their ways and are too busy trying to prove everybody wrong instead of aking changes and striving to be better coaches and men like Ancelloti who continues to re-invent himself and has had success doing that. Wenger is worse because he`s been successful YET has let that get to his head to the point that he thinks NOBODY should question him which IMO, makes him bigger than the club and he knows they do not have the cojones to let him go.

redohio

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21 Dec 2014 10:25:32
Could someone tell me what has Wenger won in last 10 years?

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Harry do you not want BR out?

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21 Dec 2014 12:22:54
McGoveb

Yes I do for various other reasons, certainly not for starting Allen or benching CAN. What if the new manager doesn't pick X over Y? Will all these go on for another strike?

But you do realize sacking him midway would 100% take our club back to square one and another 3 years of transition.

A new manger would come with new ideas and it would take him an year to understand the club and system.

Some believe frank de-boer would come charging and then straight to academy and would start picking all the under 21.
Absolute rubbish.

He would defo need changes and that means more money.

Look at Spurs and UTD. Both playing horrible but luckily getting results on their way. UTD always have an opposing man sent off in the second half. They just nick some goals after spending close to 120 mill.

Do you seriously wish the club to go back 5 years?

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I don't believe anyone who posts here wants to club to regress any further than it has currently but leaving BR in charge also has implications, what if he gets more money and wastes it, what if he sells players who another manager would love to keep, doing those two things could also put the club back even further.
Tough decisions need to be made as there are potentially huge impacts if he stays as you have stated or if he hoes now as I and other fans have stated.

Everyone on here wants the best for Liverpool FC and all are allowed opinions on how that could be achieved, never fear change.

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21 Dec 2014 13:05:26
Mcgoveb

I am sorry, But BR hasn't sold a genuine world class player for Peanuts. Suso might be one But we bought Lallana instead.
Allen would be off anyway, Lucas would be off and a new manager would love to bring in a top class DM.
Kelly was never going to cut it, As Flanno would be our Future Right back for years.
Skretel, Johnson and Migs would be off irrespective of any manager.

Sakho and Lovern are the only issue here. That's a direct rift between BR and the TC,
The TC should have accepted BR last season in getting Lovern for 7 mill ( If I am right )

The hate towards BR is just because we are sitting at the 11th position. It would be the same for the next man.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Kelly only wouldn't make it because he would never have been given a chance.}

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21 Dec 2014 13:25:38
Ed01, Wasn't Kelly injured for a long time and when back He lost it to another local lad in Flanno.
The Moment Johnson signs a pre-contract I expect him to warm the bench.
Kelly is 24 and at his age he should be a regular player which He is at Palace. I am happy for him.
I expect flanno to be our future Right back for years.

Monquillo makes not much sense, But I understand it was coz, BR loves his Full backs to charge forward. Monquillo is an offensive RB like Moreno. ( Flanno and Kelly doesn't offer much going forward )

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21 Dec 2014 15:00:44
"But you do realize sacking him midway would 100% take our club back to square one and another 3 years of transition."

What is the basis of this assertion?

The only reason he hasn't been sacked already is because who is available to take over midway?

And the reason he is going to be sacked is because we are a mid-table club.

And because he talks garbage most of the time. As in: "We don't have Suarez - that's our problem". Really? Guess what: West Ham don't have Suarez either, and they're fourth.

It's not that complicated.

Endlessly going over every player, and who was injured when, and who bought who when - surely largely a waste of time at this point.

Tigerxl15

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@passion

Don't hold your breath - Flanno's injury problems are as serious as Kelly's - there are concerns that he may never come back the same player. I like him a lot and hope he does make a full recovery but his knees are in bad shape apparently and he is still a long way from starting a game.

Seano

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20 Dec 2014 18:55:12
Hi everyone as you'll see at the top of the page the Eds have chosen a charity to donate to this Christmas, as we all know all the Eds work so hard for us all through out the year for free and as a thank you to them all it would be great if anyone who is In a position to and wants to makes a donation of any amount that's comfortable for them to give as a thank you.
Across the pages maybe we can raise a few hundred or even a few thousand :-) who knows what we can achieve together. Whether your able to give or not Merry Christmas everyone

gunner62

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

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Living two minutes from alder hey children's hospital, I can attest to the great work done here.

Whilst it's not as well known as the illustrious Great Ormond st in london, it is one of the largest children's hospitals in Europe and leads the way in many areas.

It's currently undergoing a major rebuild, so I guess all monies will be appreciated. Please do what you can for your northern neighbours! You never know when you may need them ( though hopefully you never will)

Merry Xmas one and all

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North South East West kids are kids and people are people and together we can make a difference be it large or small.
Alder Hey is a great place to start and who knows next year it could be Aberdeen Belfast Birmingham Norwich who knows where and who really cares as long as we help someone somewhere its got to be worth doing

gunner62

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20 Dec 2014 18:31:49
Lots of talk on here as usual about team line ups and who should be in and out so if the Eds don't mind I wonder if you could keep this on the banter page and allow people to post their favoured starting 11 from the players available.
I'd especially like to hear the choice of EMS
Thanks

Ed02{Ed002's Note - It is why we have a dedicated Teams and Formations page Chris. If they are posted here they will end up getting deleted. Everyone can post them ion that page.}

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I'll reply on the teams page mate. You'll be suprised at the team I jotted down today!

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Of course, sorry Ed

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20 Dec 2014 18:12:40
Nigel De Jong or Felipe Melo

Cheap defensive midfielders.
Wages might be an issue.
Definitely good enough.

Eusebio

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De Jong is a good shout.

I'd prefer De Rossi though. Can't really comment on Melo as I think I've only seen him play once or twice.

We definitely need to be targetting this kind of signing though. An experienced holding midfielder who can come in and provide competition and cover for Lucas, won't cost a massive fee and won't stand in the way of the academy players we have who will be looking to break through in 2 or 3 years as regulars (Rossiter and Chirivella being the main two I'm thinking of).

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The wages for any of those players will be daft, especially De Rossi. Prefer us to give youth a chance - would prefer us even more not to offload Lucas (which is looking more and more like a possibility).

Seano

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20 Dec 2014 18:07:18
Hi Eds,
any news on who will start on Sunday - Brad or Simon? thanks.

Tom

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I haven't decided yet. Sorry.}

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BR quoted as saying it will be jones on sky sports. Sorry ed looks like he's made a decision, I guess if it backfires he could use you as his scapegoat afterwards

boswell18

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Rodgers did say something like "the goalkeeper situation will be the same for Arsenal". It's not a direct quote though and it's hardly conclusive. I assume that Jones will keep his place.

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He`ll prob blame the tea lady before then.

redohio

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Jones has looked poor in both games he has played, so the reality is that we will just have to hope we outscore arsenal and that they don't have any shots on target as Jones will either dive over it or go the wrong way. Happy days :/

Mr Dennis

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Something must have gone on behind the scenes, I never got why BR said and indefinite amount of time. Seemed an odd choice of wording.


Either way, the longer he sticks with Jones in goal, the more of an person he's making himself look. even on his worst day Migs is better than Jones

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BR talks too much hence, most of what he says doesn`t make sense because he doesn`t think before talking.

redohio

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Is Ward no longer with us? What's the harm in giving him a game, maybe not Arsenal but the next game? Could he be any worse? It can't hatm his career if we lost heavy cause his career is dying without opportunities anyway

EmreCanDo

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20 Dec 2014 17:54:26
real madrid raid in january would be nice but never going to happen. Imagine Benzema, isco and varane.

dejan77

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I would hate to be your missus. I'm imagining your Christmas list right now as:
Bugatti Veyron
The Arc de Triumph
& a rolex watch

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All I'm hoping for in January that we don't met Lucas go on loan or sold for peanuts. Anything after that is a bonus.

Mr Dennis

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Dejan77, you're surname isn't Lovren by any chance is it? :-)

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Varane is their best defender and Isco, after Ronaldo, has probably been their best player this season he has been immense. benzema is a remote, probably impossible, option.

Seano

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20 Dec 2014 15:56:05
hello eds.
hello fellow reds.

i am unfortunate as i don't have the channel broadcasting tomorrow's match.
can u guys help me by suggesting me few free live stream which shows Liverpool's each and every match.

THANKS
YNWA

14_lfc

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Football Streaming Info, it`ll give you a few links for the game.

Firesworn

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VIPBOX

The real AG

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Eplsite.com

Walkon94

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Onsball.com is the best I've used by far, no pop ups or buffering, isn't always in English though.

RobInRed

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20 Dec 2014 23:48:03
If your on an 'android' phone,, download mobdro. Basically the full sly tv package mate plus every Liverpool match even if it's 3 o'clock kick off. Every channel you can think of really.
But if your on iphone like me,,,, then your screwed ha

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21 Dec 2014 02:18:15
thanks friends for u r suggestions.

14_lfc

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20 Dec 2014 15:00:44
I hope to god that Liverpool are not going to loan out Lucas, that would be the dumbest move we can make. Rather Sell him outright or try a swap deal for Kovacic.

Haych   Haych
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20 Dec 2014 15:07:47
Kovaic is a good player. I would also look at Bender.

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You want the fantasy football page.}

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Well said Haych. What kind of manager loans out his only CDM when the team is struggling big time defensively? At least sell him and get a decent fee to buy a new player. Why loan out one of your best players when the club is already playing catch up in the league? Makes no sense whatsoever unless the player is desperate to leave which i seriously doubt because Lucas is a very loyal player.

Indian Buzzer

Ed02{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Lucas from both Napoli and Inter - and both would like to take him on loan in January. The player has made it clear that he does not wish to move to Naples but would like to move to Milan and his representatives are actively discussing the move with Inter. The interest of Gremio will likely be rejected by the player.}

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My question is, would Brendan really be so stupid as to sell the clubs best defensive midfielder? That would be nothing short of insanity on his part, we've seen how weak we are when Gerrard and Allen play CM, we only started looking solid when Lucas came in, to sell him is insanity. If he sold Allen I wouldn't be worried, but Lucas?

Mr Dennis

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Yes he would. Be so stupid that is.

I wouldn't trust him to go down the sweet shop and by a bag of mints.

Yuri

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BR is THAT dumb to do that and would prob blame the move on Lucas and his agents for this indless act if it comes through. We are leakng goals for fun YET he wants to flog off the only DM we have in favor of his "loyal" lieutenants (Allen, Gerrard) who CANNOT play that position but BR wants to convince us that they can when we`ve seen w/ our own eyes that it doesn`t work. If Lucas does go, I will be gutted.

redohio

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Yep, redohio, that's exactly how I feel.

Mr Dennis

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20 Dec 2014 14:52:34
Anyone who have been following our loaned out players? I would like to know how they have fared, and if they have a future at LFC (Wisdom, Origi, Ibe, Teixeira, Alberto, Aspas and Ilori).

Also if we don´t qualify for CL, do you think a lot of players will leave? We have a massive squad, and a lot of players won´t get much playing time.

RedFuzz

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If we are in the Europa league next season, then we will need a big squad. Winning Europa next season could be our best chance of playing champions league football in the near future as the current big4 will strengthen immensely with the increased European and TV revenue, so top4 will be a big ask next season.
Wisdom certainly deserves a chance at RB and should take Johnson's place who will leave on a free in the summer. Origi and be will be squad players, while Ilori hopefully replaces Skrtel who will be in the last year of his contract. Aspas and Alberto have no future at LFC.

Indian Buzzer

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20 Dec 2014 13:06:57
Have to say getting a keeper in for jan is biggest priority. Cech is my preference. World class that may cost 10 mil but the least risk money we will ever spend! He was world class before that kick in the head- not quite as good now but still better than most. Unbelievable. Keep Lucas in the team and we'll leak a adman site less goals.

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20 Dec 2014 13:20:06
Czech is the best but I am afraid not happening mate.
He won't need a special GK coach for sure. Such vast experience. He would fix quiet a lot problems at the back.
If I were the owners. I would spend 10 mill for him and sell Migs next summer to recoup some money.

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I have a small belief it could. Second choice at chelsea and would cost a lot to have him but he may just be up for the challenge and we throw wages away for rubbish players. This is where we don't compromise. Be it him or anyo other keeper.

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I wouldn`t mind Cech at all. As you said, we are good at wasting money on dud signings. Might as well, go get someone who fits the bill. If we can get 3-4yrs out of him. I`ll b fine w/ that.

redohio

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Cech is going to have a lot of clubs in a better position after him. Doubt we will see any GK movement until summer

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20 Dec 2014 11:48:58
I'd like to ask thoughts on Emre Can. Firstly, I like the player I've chosen him for my name on here, so this is purely to discuss him as a positive.

I liked what I read about Can before his signing. I believe he will be a great asset. But what is his best position?

I thought he was a box to box midfield enforcer, but he looks like a big unit like Yaya Toure and can't see him doing that for a whole game, looks a bit lumbering.
Like Yaya, he looks knackered after 10minutes or is that just appearance?

He is no left back, don't see him as quick? His record at LB wasn't great according to one ED this summer plus Moreno would be my choice.

DM. But Rodgers doesn't want one or could Can play there the way BR wants? Creative player?

I hope he gets a run in the side in place of Allen. At the moment I think that would be his best place.

My choice would be Henderson and Can deep central midfield with three creative in front, Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling and one up front, Sturridge when fit. 4-2-3-1

EmreCanDo

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He doesn't appear to charge around as much as others because his positioning and game intelligence are superior.

He is also deceptively quick.

Can can play left back just as well as Moreno, but it's a waste of his ability. He could play a holding midfield role but again, it's like using a Ferrari to fetch your newspaper once a week. He could play as an atracking midfielder but then we're not taking advantage of the physical presence he could bring to the heart of our midfield. Therefore I would be inclined to put him next to a holding midfielder and tell him to use his pace, power and energy to break forward and carry the ball out from the back just like Yaya does for City. Can also has a great passing range which is still developing and a lot of composure on the ball.

If we coach him right he could be awesome. You don't get into the German u21 team unless they plan on eventually carrying you through to the senior team. Bayern don't put buy back clauses on average players either. He was a real coup. Having said that so was Nuri Sahin and Rodgers completely failed to utilise him effectively. Let's hope he has learnt his lesson.

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A player as good as Can Can not (get it) be rotting on the bench for the likes of Allen. He is too good and a good manager will always find a way put his his best players on the field. Can, Couts, Lallana, Hendo, Sterling, Studge are IMO, our best attacking players and should be on the field regularly. It`s up to the manager to make it happen BUT I`m afraid he has other (stupid) ideas.

redohio

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I don't know what goes on in his mind, but it doesn't join up the dots.

Yuri

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Personally, as I have said before, I believe Can's best position is left midfield. Just like I feel Henderson is best on the right. Not as a winger but as box to box type midfielder. The diamond would suit him perfectly.

The reason I have suggested playing Can at left back is that he is disciplined, physically strong and has a great burst of pace. He would give us that extra security down the left side that Moreno/Enrique don't provide.

Those that are saying he would be wasted in this position, do you not think he is more wasted on the bench? I even think he would do a decent job in centre back as he has done for Germany U21's. The good thing about him is he's a versatile player, able to provide cover for numerous positions. Who knows he could end up doing well as a defender and making a position his own.

Red Rum

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20 Dec 2014 10:01:34
Here we go again, linked to every striker on the planet with massive price tags attached, no doubt the twitter rumour mill will string us all along again until we sign Dion Dublin on a week to week contract :=o
Silly season is upon us Eds, get ready lol
I don't know how you cope!

Ed01{Ed001's Note - funny Dion was only telling me last week he was thinking about coming out of retirement to sign for Liverpool, I thought he was joking.....}

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I thought he was making enough loyalties from Subway for the foot long 😉

MarcO

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He was in the Shrewsbury arms on the Wirral a couple of weeks back. Maybe that's where the Liverpool transfer committee do their business 😉

danseba

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5 min walk for the shew for me.

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20 Dec 2014 06:40:20
Hi. Lucas to go on loan rumour. Is Rodgers mad.look at the last six games. He started 5 and we didn't lose one of them

Irishlfcalan

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20 Dec 2014 09:22:30
IMO when it comes to loaning out players, our club is pretty clueless at the whole idea

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Another nail in the coffin. Get rid of a great DM. Why?
Just so his 'partner' Joe Allen can play. Come out that closet and admit it Brenden, why else does he get game time?

EmreCanDo

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I think Lucas wants to leave after being brendaned for so long.

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20 Dec 2014 11:52:22
Emery can

Wrong, Allen plays alongside Lucas not at his place. Lucas was benched whole last season when the page and BR played Gerrard at the anchor role.

None had a problem back then.

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Passion Pride. But now Lucas has to play and Henderson and Gerrard should make up the midfield 3 with Can covering Gerrards less and less playing time. There is no place for Allen. He offers nothing to the team whatsoever.

Did you know Allen is there to win the ball, keep possession and create opportunities going forward. He does none of these, muscled of the ball, no pace, stray passing can't pass over 5yrds and has not made one assist not one assist. He is a waste of a squad number.

EmreCanDo

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20 Dec 2014 15:46:19
Emere Can

Lucas and Gerrard in the same team?
No further comments on this.

I very well know what Allen offers and what's his position. So your pick is Gerrard or Henderson over Allen?

God save us.

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I think we all know what Allen offers to, the square root of sod all, has shown nothing in three years that makes me think he deserves to be a first choice player. Look at the game against Man united, constantly caught in possession, made no tackles, offered nothing going forward, personally I think the midfield should be Lucas as anchor with Henderson and Can, Gerrard should be on the bench and Allen on the transfer list.

Mr Dennis

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Allen is a guy who comes in to keep possession when a game needs to be seen out. We can`t win games now and we need all our high energy players on the field to put pressure on the opposition. Hence, Allen is NOT who is needed right now and him playing in place of Lucas is just BR trying to prove to us that Allen is a better player in that position which is like trying to prove that pigs can fly.

redohio

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20 Dec 2014 03:30:08
Seeing a few reports including l'Equipe, that Origi could be coming back in Jan for 6mln Euro, do you think there's any likelihood in this Ed?

I think Origi + Sterling (Sturridge in for Sterling on his return) would be a dangerous looking forward line even if inexperienced probably miss a few as a result. Balo and Lambert operating as no.3 and 4, and I'd assume this would also mean Borini is on his way out.

If we also bring in romero or neto as GK, that's 2 out of 3 fixes in my opinion. Just need a strong DM and I'd replace Allen and Lucas with Alex Song or someone similar if we could get them.

I'm also worried if Lucas goes in Jan, who's our DM in that case Ed? Will they sign another? Can looks good but quite young and don't see Gerard or Allen performing in the role. Hendo perhaps?

zimbo

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it doesn't seem to be happening mate, which is good because there would be far too much pressure on him if he did come in now. Should have just paid the extra in the summer rather than spending the money on another player.

It would be likely that there is no direct replacement for Lucas, Rodgers is not a fan of playing with a true DM, he likes a creator there.}

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20 Dec 2014 04:34:02
Agreed with BR on this as he would want someone more than just a DM. Players like Lucas, Nigel De-Jong, Barry are all traditional DM but not passer.
BR wants someone to break up and pick a beautiful pass.
That will make us a bigger joke in not going for Alonoso. He is the best player on this.
Morgan Schniderline is one player we should go in.

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I agree probably too much pressure to start him right away given not Origi's not on a high at Lille. If he did come back though, could probably ease him in with Balo/Sterling starting and then 20-30min cameo's until he settles or looks to be gaining confidence?

If there's no true DM, I think we need to play a bustling box to box midfield that can tackle back and track the runner. Can, Hendo and Llalana seems the best at this, but Gerard and Allen look vulnerable to me. do you think this means Can gets more starts? That I could handle.

I don't quite agree with Rogers on this point but then again I'm an armchair manager. I do think Gerard excelled in picking out long passes through to SAS last year, but this year we lack the cutting edge and clever runs in the forwards. On the other hand we have more creativity in our AM's with Llalana, Coutinho, Sterling, Markovic etc. I think we can afford a proper DM and let the attacking midfield have a run at the opposition without needing the spectacular long balls from the back. Seems a better option to me than leaking goals through a slowing Gerard or pushover Allen.

zimbo

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20 Dec 2014 06:05:44
Zimbo

Excellent view mate and makes sense on the DM corundum.
But with fans carving for a diamond formation and 2 upfront BR will be forced to revert back a passer in the Anchor role to pick up Sturridge and another striker.

Gerrard lacks discipline but a fine passer
Allen lacks tackling abilities and is not good at long pass
Henderson is just a B2B player
Lucas does break up plays and a decent passer but lacks pace and cannot dictate a game not would thrive against a fast flowing attack running at him.

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Why has Can not been tried there?
He seems to be more than just a DM.

jonnybarnes89-90

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20 Dec 2014 09:56:44
Why this obsession with origi? I have been following lille closely and he is nowhere near our first team he has like five goals in 20+ matches this season let him stay there for the whole season bringing him now would not only put enormous pressure on him to perform but also hampet his development

ReetRed

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Who you best suit our defensive midfield role seems as Rogers wants a creator there
Alonso would have been perfect! But whose left only Cabaye for me

dezyboy2

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I've been saying the same as 001 since last January but he used to disagree with me

not one of harrys

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no, I disagreed that Lucas would be gone, which he isn't. I also disagreed that he should go, which he shouldn't. So what exactly is your point other than trying to pretend you were right about something you were completely and utterly wrong about? You kept saying he would go, has he? No, so please don't try and be smug about something you have no place being smug about. No one likes a smart arse at the best of times.}

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Johnny, they tried Can there in one of his first games, but with Gerard and he kep just passing to Gerard to run the plays. I agree he can plsy the role but without the passing skills of a Gerard he needs mobile and creative players alongside him like hendo or Llalana I believe.

I think he'll grow into the role but still thin Song, Schneiderlin or Alonso would have been perfect for right now and allow him to ease into the PL.

On Origi, agree it's wrong to obsess or assume he'll solve everything, but seems unlikely we'll buy someone like Lacazette, so next best think is to bring him back to replace Borini, at least he might get played! We need a mobile from line to suit our game and sorry but Balo or RL are anything but, if Studge gets injured again, we're truly stuffed and Sterling will probably collapse.

zimbo

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20 Dec 2014 11:55:14
TBH Ed01, we all love a monster over there and If your wish Medal joined us Lucas would have been gone last summer.
I am gutted we never went for Alonso.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - signing Medel and losing Lucas would still leave us short.}

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I may have conveniently miss remembered some of it ;) but the bones of it was that Lucas wasn't wanted or required because he wasn't the right type of player which seems about right to me! People expected him to leave in the summer and even a loan is rumourd for January so yes I was wrong with the timescale of his leaving but his replacement was bought I think. Just let me have this one its not often I'm mostly right ;)

not one of harrys

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20 Dec 2014 12:50:10
Not one of Harry's


The point is or never was about Lucas, People are done with BR and desperate to get him out, throwing random names, play X over Y, Z over A etc.
None would have a problem if we kept picking up points scoring goals.
The team and BR have been poor from say 2 years, it was just our goals that kept us ticking.

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Reetred if origi has scored five goals in twenty games he would be one of our top scorer mate so get him here .
As for Can he is a large cart horse who would probably be better as a centre half never in a million years would he fill stevie G boots I really can't understand why we bought him but we could say that about a few players bought this season maybe the committee bought Can and most of the others.

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Albey, Can is a beast of a player and Bayern don`t put a buy-back clause in your contract if they don`t think they could need you or if you suck as they did for Kroos, Alaba, Lahm, Hummels (who refused to go back) and others. A good manager would know where to play a player of his physical and technical qualities. BR is not that manager. He is SO set in his ways which is why many (like me) are fed up w/ his BS. For him, Allen, Skrtl and GJ has to play every game even tho every man and his dog knows they are either aweful or are not what we need right now and the players around them don`t suit them BUT BR plays them regardless regardless of these telling observations. You might have a point when dealing w/ another coach but regarding BR, you are wrong on that front

redohio

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20 Dec 2014 14:38:19
Redohio

Could you once tell me what's wrong with Skretel.
As I read it here. Skretel is a poor defender and Lovern is equally poor but need good coaching.

If the allegations on Skretel is about pulling and dragging, then quiet a lot of defenders would loose their job.
Ryan schrawcose, Ivanovic, William carvallo. All those have been successfully doing it from years.

Skretel drops deep, because our midfield drop deep, Genius lovern maintain high line, Get beaten by a pacy striker and then track back all way to tackle him.

If you could explain something better, I would love to hear from you.

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I thought we bought Can because of his mobility.
One of the main issues we have had this season is playing to many defensive mids.
Song would have been good because, in my opinion he can play as a DM with no real help due to his mobility.
I think Can can do a similar job for us.
And Henderson can as well.
Lucas on his own, Allen on his own and Gerrard on his own have not worked as DM.
Playing any midfield combination of Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Lucas does not work either.
It has been tried repeatedly and does not work and completely stunts the fast football which has returned recently.
If we stay away from the above selection NO NO's then we can have a good 2nd half of the season.

jonnybarnes89-90

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20 Dec 2014 15:13:20
Jonny

Agreed. Alonso and Medal were two realistic and attainable players we missed and that's hurting us very big time.

I am dead sure frank de boer would first want a world class DM.

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Passion, I will explain. Skrtl is a defender who IMO, is a headless chicken and is always caught out of position because he always follows the direction of the ball and never stays in his zone. He makes a lot of tackles all over the place which to the normal guy, makes him look good BUT to those who actually watch w/ they eyes of a coach (many of us on here including yourself), that is the lot of a poor defender who has no idea what he is doing. Reason? If his positioning, awareness and anticipation was better, he would not need to make that many last-ditch tackles. His communication is poor and seems impervious to coaching because he`s been doing the same things for years. Skrtl only looks good sometimes depending on who his partner is (mostly Agger who would make any defender look good) or the system which allows no penetration towards him (like Rafa did by playing two DMs a lot). Also, he invites pressure by dropping deep and playing everyone on-side which is why he is terrible in a defence that plays a high line (what BR actually wants). Look at defenders like Kompany, Hummels, Thiago Silva, Varane, Boateng or even Toure. They have good positional sense, awareness and anticipation which is why they r almost never caught out of position. I chose Toure because we have been much better with him this season. Finally, the most scathing indictment on your boy Skrtl is when he was benched for the final 3 months of the 12/13 season for a 35 yr old, semi-retired Jaime Carragher who actually made our defence look more solid over that stretch. I will end there BUT don`t kid yourself, there`s a lot more where that came from.

redohio

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20 Dec 2014 21:13:15
Redohio

Fair drafted reply and I ll take a closer look on both him and Lovern tomorrow. I ll try to bring in what I get from tomorrow game.

Nevertheless nice arguments.

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I`ll be happy to hear your opinions afterwards.

redohio

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