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24 Feb 2018 03:29:23
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24 Feb 2018 03:29:23
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Also more posts are being added to the Liverpool Other Posts page.

24 Feb 2018 03:29:23
With our site (no Ed002). More posts will be going up on that Liverpool FC Banter site from now on.

23 Feb 2018 21:22:20
My son’s U13 school team just beat a team with 3 Southampton academy players. The good news is my son’s team are through to the semi finals of the national cup. The better news is Liverpool’s future looks good. One of them was class!

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23 Feb 2018 22:00:29
Well done to your lads team mate.

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23 Feb 2018 23:01:13
Local college near me won national cup final last year u18’s and played a team with 4 Man Utd academy players. National cup is a great comp for young players to show what they can do. I believe two of the college players were given trials at PL clubs.

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23 Feb 2018 14:04:00
Hey Ed, ever think of adding a FAQ page, apologies if this is a FAQ 😜.

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{Ed001's Note - we did have one for a while but no one ever bothered reading it and continued to ask the same questions anyway, so we gave up.}

23 Feb 2018 14:47:49
Have you thought about a player database with the Eds comments on it?

So each player that the Eds comment on gets a page and on each page is the last thing an Ed said about that player across all the football pages.

So for example someone comes to the Liverpool page and wants to ask about Dybala. They see the link to the player database and seach for Dybala. This goes to the Dybala page where the Eds last few comments concerning Dybala from all of your sites are recorded.

Just a though, no idea how complicated it would be to administer, probably take at least an hour or so each day once set up.

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{Ed002's Note - It would not be viable I am afraid. There is the search engine that works fine.}

24 Feb 2018 03:00:10
how about a check list that comes up when you post:

- no questions will be answered that state ' what are the chances of'
- have you at least attempted to read a couple of the posts?
- no random names cos he scored in your fifa team


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23 Feb 2018 13:39:04
Hello Aussie Reds

Going to be in Sydney for our next CL game- KO is 6:45am, is there somewhere I can watch it?

Thank you.

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23 Feb 2018 16:56:40
Casino used to have it on down Darlington harbour
Couple years back
Don't know now as I live back in the uk 😫.

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23 Feb 2018 17:32:16
On television!

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23 Feb 2018 17:35:10
He's right, casinos are by far your best bet in Sydney.

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23 Feb 2018 18:02:22
😂😂 “Darlington harbour”

Classier than Darling Harbour 😁.

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{Ed001's Note - not if it is like Darlington in the UK it's not!}

23 Feb 2018 18:03:01
Im in Melbourne but id definitely try the casino. There will be tv's all over the sports bar with every live sport available at the time.

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23 Feb 2018 19:31:57
Cheers bar on George Street was the Liverpool supports bar like 2 years ago, dunno if it still is. It may do an early open for the game, could go in and check the day before or something. If not then the casino usually has it on and is open 24/ 7.

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23 Feb 2018 11:31:26
Big debate that i always see online is "how many world class players are there in the Premier League? "

The term world class is too broad though. So my question would be, how many players in the Premier League have a genuine claim to be the best in world in their respective position?

For me that is Kane (CF), Salah (RF), De Bruyne (CM), Silva (CM), Kante (CM), Azpilicueta (RB), Alderweireld (CB) and De Gea (GK) .

Would that be fair? I think so. Therefore i find it totally baffling when people try and say there are no world class players in the Premier League. I'll go out on a limb and say all 8 of those players (as an individual signing) would start in any team in world football, even if the formation has to be shuffled a bit. If you supplement that 8 man team with Alaba (LB), Godin (CB), and Neymar (LF) you are not far off the best 11 a side team in the world. Who else gets in that team on current form? Is Ronaldo better than Kane? Is Messi better than Salah? Is Buffon better than De Gea? I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says they all get in ahead of the Premier League trio, but i also wouldn't disagree with anyone who says they don't. Aside from those 3 who all finished top 4 in the Balon D'or alongside Neymar though, I'm not sure anyone else in world football can even make a legitimate claim.

I think we are now entering an era where the Premier League doesn't just have the best managers; I think it actually has a lot of the best players too. The only real worry is that Kane and De Gea are both targets for Real Madrid, and Alderweireld wants out of Spurs as well. We may all jokingly say we want United and Spurs to lose their best players (myself included), but don't we all want the very best players to be in our league, deep down? Salah will probably be around for a while yet, but he is already looking at Real Madrid too!

Either way, on this seasons form i think a lot of the the best players in the world are currently playing in the Premier League. Long may it continue!

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23 Feb 2018 11:46:22
I also think this league has the best players, by far. I would agree with the players you've listed sis but I'd also add Hazard and Firmino to them. There's plenty of fantastic players and a good amount of world class players in this league which is what (for me) makes it the most exciting league in the world.

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23 Feb 2018 13:00:37
I think regardless of what players are world class or not in our league we have the most entertaining league in the world at least.

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23 Feb 2018 13:01:44
I would add Hazard and Aguero to that list MK.

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23 Feb 2018 13:02:35
No Aguero and Ozil (criminally underrated) MK?

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23 Feb 2018 13:11:14
Ozil is a great player but I wouldn't class him as world class.

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23 Feb 2018 13:26:01
Really Salah? I drool when i watch him play🤤🤤🤤, maybe its just a personal preference then.

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23 Feb 2018 13:36:10
I wouldn't say kane is world class as i think the term is used very easily (not by you MK but in general) to describe players who yes are of a good standard but not world class imo
World class to me depicts a player who stands out from his peers
who is among the very very best in whatever he or she does
Neuer for example has been world class for years
Messi and Ronaldo are the obvious ones
Suarez (cant stand the fella)
De Gea

if your talking directly about strikers yes Kanes numbers are verv very impressive

but so was Alan shearer's and I would love anyone to tell me he was world class
For me world class is something that truly divides you from the best ala Pele Maradona Zidane Buffon Baresi Maldini Best etc THE LIST IS ENDLESS but imo Kane does not currently fit world class for me just my opinion lads.

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23 Feb 2018 13:46:49
Each to their own scholes mate, I think he's brilliant and all, but world class I just can't see it personally.

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23 Feb 2018 13:51:05
It would be a contradiction to include Hazard when i later stated Neymar is the best LF in the world. Same for Aguero/ Firmino and Ozil after I cited Kane and Silva as the best in their respective roles.

I do agree that those 4 are world class by the way, but i was only talking about players with a legit claim to being the best in the world in their positions. The term world class gets deliberately misinterpreted by a lot of people so i thought I'd avoid it all together 😂.

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23 Feb 2018 14:04:07
World class IMO = the top 23 players that would make up a squad. i. e 3 keepers and two players for every position. So for me playing a 433:

GK-De Gea, Neuer, Olblak
LB-Marcelo, Alaba
CB-Kompany, Varane, Godin, Chiellini.
RB-Kimmich, Walker
CDM-Kante, Vidal
CM-De Bruyne, Silva, Modric, Naingollan,
LF-Ronaldo, Hazard
RF-Messi, Salah
CF-Kane, Aguero

It’s all opinions of course, but to me that’s damn near the best 23 man squad your going to get currently and I count 10 players from the PL there, 4 from the bundesliga, 7 La Liga and 2 Serie A. I genuinely do think the best quality players we have in this league is higher than other leagues.

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23 Feb 2018 14:12:23
Is Salah world class or is he having a very good season? I love him to bits but I think he needs a few seasons under his belt perform at this level. It seems disingenuous for some to be on here saying Kane isn’t but Salah is.

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23 Feb 2018 14:22:58
Hazard and Aguero are within that bracket also.

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23 Feb 2018 15:41:12
Marcelo is woeful, how can people even claim he's a world-class fullback when he can't even defend?

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23 Feb 2018 15:42:55
MK you say you didn't wanna mention them as you mentioned Neymar and you mentioned Kane. But you named 3 CM players in the list? Silva and de bruyne can't both be the best midfielder in the world! If you're naming a 'world 11' then fair enough. But that 11 could have two strikers therefore Aguero and Firmino deserve a mention.

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{Ed025's Note - as strikers go TIA bobbys not getting anywhere near even the bench mate..

23 Feb 2018 15:46:33
good post MK but you asked is Messi better than Salah. does that question have to be answered because i presume its a joke right? . Messi is the greatest player of all time while Salah isn't even our best player (Bobby firmino) .

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23 Feb 2018 16:29:17
Salah is easily our best player, behave!

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23 Feb 2018 16:37:38
Also Messi is not the best of all time either. that's for the new generation, call me crazy but i would take the Brazilian Ronaldo, Maradona before him, even though Pele was way before my time but some of the goals he allegedly scored messi can only dream about!

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23 Feb 2018 16:37:48
Kane shouldn’t be in the same sentence as the rest of them. All the others have got to be knocking on the door of world class.

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23 Feb 2018 16:43:26
DeGea, D. Alves, Godin, Chiellini, Alaba, Busquets, Modric, Silva, Messi, C. Ronaldo, Suarez. They are the best today for me.

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23 Feb 2018 17:29:17
No Roberto or Kirchoff in there MK.? ;)

I think world class is used too easily these days and without proper context.

Is it based on this season, a few seasons, the last few games? That would make a massive difference.

I think a lot of players would get picked on YouTube clips and FIFA or Football Manager ratings, rather than due to them being watched week in week out.

I think my only nailed on from what I watch, whether it be over a few games, a season or 3, would be DDG.

There would be more, but again it depends on the time frame we are talking about.

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23 Feb 2018 17:32:36
I don't think there's any world class players in the Premier League personally.

I think there are only 3 in the world. Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi.

There are very 20 x excellent players. But world class is just another level that none of then have reached.

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23 Feb 2018 17:37:18
Alves, Chiellini, Ronaldo are past it due to age but all 3 are
great players but currently not world class anymore.

Suarez is not the same Suarez anymore due to a knee operation
Busquets? Really mate? He is a terrible defensive midfielder in my opinion.

Mine would be something like:

David de Gea, Cesar Azpilicueta, Diego Godin, Toby Alderweireld, Alex Sandro, N'Golo Kante, Moussa Dembele, Kevin de Bruyne, Lionel Messi, Neymar Jr., Robert Lewandowski

2nd team:

Manuel Neuer, Joshua Kimmich, Vincent Kompany, Mats Hummels, Marcelo, Marco Veratti, Luca Modric, David Silva, Mohamed Salah
Eden Hazard, Harry Kane

3rd team:

Jan Oblak, Kyle Walker, Rafael Varane, Andreas Christensen, David Alaba, Ilkay Gundogan, Koke, Paul Pogba, Antoine Griezmann, Kylian Mbappe, Sergio Aguero

Alot of top class players like Niguez, Sane, Eriksen, Coutinho, Alli who will probably end up ''world class''

was really tough thinking of top class defenders.

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23 Feb 2018 17:43:26
LOL, you say that putmaneontheright and then go and say Ronaldo who has been terrible this season and Suarez who is not even half the player he was 6 months ago and i would say 10 other forwards have already passed him! Hilarious in my opinion. You guys play too much football manager or fifa, watch the games!

about another point raised over, Marcelo sure he isn't the best defender but he is the best LB going forward. And there are not many teams who attack these top teams for some reason, look how many teams have actually had a go at Man City this season, its shocking because that is the only way to get something out of them but there are not enough brave managers out there, most think about damage control instead of causing the damage.

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23 Feb 2018 17:56:24
Lovren is world class.

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23 Feb 2018 18:06:07
De Gea, De Bryune, Aguero, Kante, Hazard and Sanchez

These are the world class players currently playing on the premier league.
Ozil is too inconsistent.,

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23 Feb 2018 19:34:47
I think the term "world class" has become far too exclusive these days to say there are only 8 world class players on the planet is ridiculous. I think you look at the stars of international teams.
Kane is world class, he has smashed all the goal scoring records, of course the lad is world class.
I would go so far as to say we have a few world class players.
Virgil van djike, mo salah, sadio mane and Firmino. And I think players like Ben Woodburn, Joe gomez, trent Alexander Arnold and dom solanke are future world class players.

To be more definite I'll say the top 5% of the professional players. Not the 0.0001%, that's just daft. You might as well say there are no world class players, it's is only slightly more ridiculous than 0.0001%.

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23 Feb 2018 19:47:02
ED2, where did that list go of the world class squad we made together?

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{Ed033's Note - i can dig out the threads and post them on a single page somewhere over the weekend hopefully

23 Feb 2018 21:53:56
Messi is only the BOAT to those who were born between 1995 and 2000.

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23 Feb 2018 23:02:09
Darn tootin' Supersalah. World class is the best of what's available at the time and if you asked your typical league1 or 2 manager I'm pretty sure they would all say each team in the premier league has several world class players with several of those teams being made up entirely of world class players. It's all relative to your level. Are the top 100 tennis players in the world not all world class? I would argue with anyone that said they weren't. To suggest that out of the thousands of footballers and hundreds of teams in the world only a handful would get into 99% of the teams is ridiculous.

We just get spoilt by watching a selection of the very best week in, week out. If everyone is special, no one is.

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23 Feb 2018 23:09:26
Supersalah, i 100% agree with you. saying that there are only a handfull of world class players in the world is ridicoulous imo. I would say players like Koulibaly, Alex Sandro, Dybala, Hamsik, Mertens, Modric, Vidal, Thiago, Boateng amongst others are all World class players?

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23 Feb 2018 23:33:01
Thanks ed033 happy digging!

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24 Feb 2018 01:39:12
Agreed wellred and stoupid. The term world class has to be relevant to something other than old Roy of the rovers. Players like Messi and Ronaldo, in the past Pele, cruyff Eusebio even gazza and Maradona are beyond world class, these people are special. The Premier league is littered with World class, it is one of the elite league in the world. If not in this league and others like it then where?

Harry kane scores worldies all the time, he is world class. Maybe a good way to define world class players would be to say anyone shortlisted for the balon d'or. Then many people would argue that Firmino is wc.

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23 Feb 2018 10:32:29
Hi Ed's

Hearing reports that Toby alderweild from spurs hasn't agreed a deal with them and he migth move on! personally I would like us to go for him cos when fit he is one of the best defenders in the league could u tell us more about the situation with him.

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page, try the Spurs page or the pages of one of the interested sides.}

23 Feb 2018 11:20:42
Rather terse No 002!

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{Ed002's Note - it is a waste of our time asking questions about random players.}

23 Feb 2018 13:02:19
We should be going for him. If A world class defender becomes available, seen as we are poor in that position we should be in the mix for him. VVD and Toby would be epic.

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23 Feb 2018 16:40:28
I’m sure LFC would like him but he is likely to have many suitors 🤝.

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23 Feb 2018 09:47:18
hello eds.

just a bit of question. How close were we to sign david villa, david silva or even mata when it was benitez era. I remember constantly seeing these names linked esp david villa. imagine villa, torres, gerrard, Alonso in their prime. woww


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{Ed001's Note - Silva and Villa were all agreed but the club refused to pay the money.

Mata was never close, he was interested (as I revealed at the time only for certain other journalists to c'n'p my exclusive and claim it as their own) and the club considered him but then Chelsea came in for him and we were out of it.}

23 Feb 2018 09:58:32
Blimey, how close. That team would have been truly special.

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23 Feb 2018 10:36:03
Silva would've been my pick out of all three, he is truly something special, I'd still have him in the team even now. Such a shame we lost out on him.

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23 Feb 2018 10:43:16
No one really knows how things would have worked out had they come, IMO even tho both players would have definitely improved us at the time. Same for Salah. had he come in 13/ 14, we would definitely not have had the Salah we know and love today as he was just 21 at the time and still learning the game (Sigh) .

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23 Feb 2018 12:28:32
Oh man what a team we could have! Torres Villa Silva Gerrard Xabi Mascherano Arbeloa Aurelio Carragher Hyppia Reina!

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23 Feb 2018 15:01:52
2005 was right platform for us to build, we could have done something special under Benitez if not for hicks and Gillette.

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23 Feb 2018 17:31:25
To be fair, Shreyan, Hicks and Gillett, sheisters thou they undeniably are, didn't take over the club until 2007.

David Moores is the one you want to look at for not building on 2005. He was only interested in extracting the maximum value for himself from any potential sale.

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24 Feb 2018 00:16:55
Dani Alves as well if I remember right.

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23 Feb 2018 06:14:26
I really really hope we get the result tomorrow. I'll take any sort of own goal 1 nil win. It is an excellent opportunity to go 2nd and solidify top four with chelsea playing both Manchester clubs next.

There was a lot of positivity leading upto the swansea game after we beat city. I hope there is no complacency this time and we get the result.

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23 Feb 2018 07:34:48
We’ll finish second, don’t worry about that.

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23 Feb 2018 10:45:41
I hope so too, OP. WH and Moyes will be a VERY difficult game. They will park 3 buses and try to stifle us. The first goal will be key and the quicker we get it the better. We need to start fast and hungry from the off cos we are not good enuff to win games yet while at only 85% perf. levels. We need to be on top of it from jump and hopefully, we'll get the points.

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23 Feb 2018 17:28:20
lets not be cocky guys. we don't have a God given right to beat westham or to finish second. there are very good teams competing with us for the top 4 spot and we should respect all our opponents.
in any case every time we aa fans build our hopes to high, the team plays bad and bring us back to ground.

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23 Feb 2018 21:54:45
Spot on, Crazy.

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23 Feb 2018 23:35:48
I see your point crazy house. Apologies if I sounded arrogant. It was more that I see us better than Man U Spurs and arsenal Let's hope the lads are up for it. If they are I do believe we'll get the win and push on. #believe.

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23 Feb 2018 05:31:41
Not a stats guy at all, and wouldn't even know how to find out. But, I'd love if someone could work out how many points De Gea has saved for ManU this season. What I mean by that is, if they had any other keeper in the league, can you generally look at a game and say "with Migs or anyone else, they'd have lost/ drawn that game? "
I'm sure you could look at a save, or string of them, that have got them a point or 3, and put that down to the man between the sticks.
My guess is that if you swapped DDG for Migs/ Karius, we'd be maybe 6 points ahead of them.
Clearly I'm bored. Someone do the numbers (subjective i know) and brighten my day :)

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23 Feb 2018 08:12:55
It is a relatively pointless debate though. We'd be much lower without Salah, but it's irrelevant because we have Salah. Every team has a best player who digs them out. For Man U, that just happens to be their goal keeper.

He is probably worth 20 point a season to them at least, but what is Salah worth to us? What is De Bruyne worth to City? Kane to Spurs? Kante to Chelsea? Maybe De Gea is worth even more than most other star players because he is the best shot stopper in the world and United concede a lot of shots due to a weak midfield (Pogba, Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini etc) shocking full backs (Young, Darmian, Shaw and Valencia) and a few very average centre backs in Smalling, Rojo and Lindelof.

Matic doesn't have the legs to do it by himself, and Jones and Bailly are forever injured nowadays. Therefore De Gea is propping up the base of the entire team. So yeah, he probably is the most vital player to his particular team in the whole division. But the fact is, he plays for Man U right now and it's his job to save them points. Hopefully he goes to Real Madrid in the summer though because I'm bored of hearing how good United are, and i think it'll all come crashing down without him. Their argument would be, that they could reinvest his transfer fee and salary to improve the team overall though. So it's impossible to say they will definitely struggle without him.

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23 Feb 2018 08:30:00
According to the premier leagues official numbers Salah's goals has given Liverpool an extra 14 points so far this season, compared to 12 because of Harry Kane's goals and only 7 points for Aguero's goals.

In my opinion any team would struggle a bit in the start if they lose the best goalkeeper in the world! My opinion about de Gea has nothing to do with the Sevilla game because de Gea has been pulling off unbelievable saves for 5 years now consistently and makes very very few mistakes.

Real Madrid are looking at Courtois too, but if i was a Real Madrid scout there is no chance i would say Courtois is of a similar level to de Gea because he clearly isn't even close and has a few howlers in him. If de Gea leaves Manchester United they will probably be like 8-10 points off if the don't replace him with Alisson or Oblak. Every goalkeeper is supposed to save a lot of the shots he faces, it's their job but the difference is de Gea saves shots fans and players already started celebrating a goal in their minds. He is unbelievable! What makes me think he is so good is also probably aided by the fact Mignolet have been costing us 8-10 points a season for 4-5 years now so its tough thinking a Manchester United player is this good. heh.

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23 Feb 2018 10:13:55
Nostradamus, i agree with most of what you say, but the Premier Leagues official numbers literally only factor in goals though. They don't factor in that World class bit of skill that lifts the whole stadium, or the goal created or started by their magic, or the space their team mates had because 3 players were marking the star man.

There are too many subjectivities and variables to accurately put into numbers how many points a player is worth to a team. You can only speculate or guess. From what I've seen of De Gea for example, he has kept Man U in the game multiple times at a single goal ahead. That will only be measured as him saving them 2 points. But if that one goal had gone in, it might've given the other team the confidence to score again costing United all 3 points. Then there is the confidence that he gives his defenders, which reduces the mistakes they make by panicking. How do you measure that? Or what about the saves he makes at 0-0 that stop a team from being able to defend a lead? If United go on to win that game 3-0 they might say he hasn't saved them any points because Man U would've won 3-1 anyway. That isn't how football works though. That miracle save at 0-0 might have been worth all 3 points.

You can't measure how much an individual is worth with statistics. You can only take a stab in the dark hence why I'm saying this debate is irrelevant and we should just accept that every team has a star man who is important to them. De Gea is United's most important player and i THINK he's worth 20+ points a season with all the subjectivities and variables factored in. That is a total guess though. Statistically he's probably only worth 10 points a season. Salah statistically is probably worth 15, but I'd say he is also worth more like 20+. The thing is though, this is all based on the assumption that the player who replaced them would have no positive impact of their own. If you then deduct the amount of points a slightly lesser quality replacement would be worth, the very best players are probably only worth an EXTRA 5 points (individually) over a whole season. But football is all about fine margins. 5 points can be the difference that turns you from top half to top 6, from top 6 to top 4, from top 4 to title challenger, or challenger to victor.

So regardless of what the Premier League website says, you simply cannot put a definitive points total on what these individuals are worth. You can only guess and everyone's guess will be different. There is too much going on in the background that cannot be quantified.

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23 Feb 2018 10:34:29
This is just a wish fulfillment exercise to have a dig at Utd and Mourinho. The only thing that counts is that they are, currently, doing better than us. We can make all the excuses we want (transfer spending, DDG etc) but we're behind them.

The good news is that it's within our power to change that in the next month or so.

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23 Feb 2018 10:50:08
Agree with your points as well, MK and Nostradamus. It is fundamentally, a pointless debate. The PL stats say what they say BUT it lacks any form of nuance and perspective, things that are being shown in both of you's posts and that pints to the fact that no one knows how we would fair w/ o Salah or how Utd would fair w/ o DDG precisely, none of which can be weighted. It is all based on assumptions, things that lack nuance and that can be debunked by making other assumptions.

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23 Feb 2018 12:52:02
Statistically he has saved 18.36 points, rounded down to 18. Not a bad return.

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Review Of The Day 23rd February 2018

23 Feb 2018 05:56:47
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 23rd February 2018

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23 Feb 2018 07:24:52
massive thumbs up for the article but especially the choice of pic
just a enquiry mate not sure if your into boxing but have have you ever done a write up on a big match like say an hearns hagler type match or tyson Lewis.
Reckon you would really good at that and I would love to read it mate if you ever did.

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{Ed001's Note - I did like boxing, I used to box myself many years ago, but I have never done match reports on boxing. To be honest, I lost interest in boxing because so many of the results just beggar belief and you just know they were fixed fights. Remember the one judge who claimed she couldn't see Lennox Lewis knock (I think) Holyfield round the ring because her view was blocked by Lennox Lewis!}

23 Feb 2018 07:58:29
Im a massive fan and do remember the judge as it happens lol
it would be great to get a opinion from someone like you
(an ex boxer) on why Eubank Jr keeps making the same mistakes when faced with a boxer who jabs and moves.
out of interest mate who is your number on heavyweight boxing of all time.

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{Ed001's Note - has to be the original Jack Johnson, as he changed the sport, not just being the first black champion but because he introduced new concepts, such as riding punches and making statements to the press to wind up opponents. Basically Ali was very much a copy of Johnson, though with the advantage of being able to improve on his concepts, I still would have to say the guy who originates something has to be better to develop it on, rather than just improving on what is there. Especially when you remember fights went on until a knockout in his day, so they could go many more rounds and the gloves were much lighter, so they were taking more punishment as well.}

23 Feb 2018 08:42:29
Love Boxing myself, favourite fighter at the minute is Lomachenko, if you haven't seen him watch him now I think he may go down as the GOAT.

Eubank Jr could have been a Champion if he listened to the right people but unfortunately he has a father guiding his career who has done him a disservice. How any boxer can expect to be a champion without any type of trainer is foolish.

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23 Feb 2018 08:44:08
My opinion on Eubank Jr, if you're interested John, is that he is vastly over rated. He struggles against anyone who can move, has a good defence, and a good jab because he is a brawler not a boxer. Maybe he should try his hand in MMA?

The only reason he is rated so highly is because of his physique being desirable, his self obsessed training videos exciting the casual fans, and the hype that his name carries thanks to his dads success. Oh and the betting agencies making him a favourite to con their customers.

All he has is speed in his punches. They lack power, calculation and precision. He gets in the ring and just hits people as many times as he can hoping one will land and score points. His footwork is shocking though so he relies heavily on his stamina to just chase people around the ring. He constantly leaves himself open to the jab because all he's interested in is a big brawl.

Honestly? He's just not that good. He should go back to fighting bums in a weight division where he is the biggest fighter, because he simply doesn't have the quality to out-box a proper fighter, or the power to hurt anyone bigger than him.

My favourite boxer (only been watching for 10 years) is probably Tyson Fury. For a guy with no speed and no power, he is an unbelievably gifted boxer. So hard to hit, and keeps his points ticking over with a deceptively quick jab. His footwork is the best I've ever seen and so far, nobody has ever got near him, let alone hurt him. Be interesting if he ever comes back and fights Joshua though because he has that close range powerful uppercut in his locker, that Mike Tyson used to knock out so many people by going under their guard. It'll be even more interesting because Joshua will probably unify the division before Fury is back fit. An all British fight with one a Unified Champion and one the Lineal champion will be the greatest match up in British boxing history.

My favourite of all time is Lennox Lewis though. Proper British sporting legend. Gutted he retired before I was interested in the sport.

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23 Feb 2018 08:58:44
I used to love boxing but stopped following it after around the time Tyson was finished, still watch some of the bigger fights though at times. Though I don't follow it, from what I have seen my favourite boxer at the moment must be Joshua. In history (in my life time) it'd have to be Mike Tyson.

Cheers for the daily update Ed mate.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

23 Feb 2018 09:07:19
Will have to go and watch some jack johnson footage Ed001 as i admit I don't know a lot about him Ali for me was the greatest but you can't copy someone and be better then the originator that is very true
MK SCOUSER wow mate that about summed it up for me great response thank you very much mate.

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{Ed001's Note - it is difficult to find much footage of Johnson, but he is well worth reading about, he was a dick of a guy (but then Ali is a wife beater and still people put him on a pedestal as a great guy) but that just makes him more interesting. It is difficult not to admire the sheer nerve of the guy to say some of the stuff he did in the time he did so. Ali was a great boxer, but pretty much everything he did Johnson had done first in a much more dangerous time to do so.}

23 Feb 2018 09:09:36
CyKlopps i feel that bxoer has still to be truly tested as the one true test against Nicholas Walters he came to fight and walters tuned into a bottle job.

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23 Feb 2018 09:13:41
To be fair eubank jr was a world champion albeit the smallest brand. Lomachenko is by far the best boxer of his generation and if continues should be in the top ten of all time. If anyone likes boxing but not seen him give it a go on YouTube. Even his workouts are different class.

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23 Feb 2018 09:16:45
Any books you can recommend Ed001 as now im proper interested in this guy.

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{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head I can't think of any, though there was a film based (very loosely) on his life story starring James Earl Jones, The Great White Hope. One of Ali's early autobiographies, which I managed to pick up cheap, mentions how he took his style from Johnson, but later versions omit that section. I remembered one and looked it up for you - Unforgivable Blackness it was called. That was an interesting read.}

23 Feb 2018 09:27:55
I would say Rigondeaux was his biggest test, also a gold medal Olympian, but Lomachenko made him quit on his stool. Ed, posters what was your opinion on Floyd Mayweather Jnr?

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{Ed001's Note - hate him but he was a good boxer, great in fact, but he avoided too many fights to ever go down as a great of the sport, no matter what he achieved. If you avoid the best opponents at their peak, then you cannot be considered the best.

Got to ask, who remembers John Conteh and what did people think of him? I will stay out of this one as I am biased with him being a family friend, but I just wondered what people thought of him.}

23 Feb 2018 09:35:38
ED001 your a top man thank you so much will hunt this down now
and see if I can get hold of one
cheers again mate.

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{Ed001's Note - if you can find an old, old copy of Ali's first autobiography in a charity shop or book fair, it is quite interesting when he discusses how Johnson influenced him. Oh and I remember an old boxing magazine I used to subscribe to many years ago, it was a series on great boxers, one of the very first issues was dealing with Jack Johnson and it came with a video of some of his fights. I think it was just called 'The Boxers' or something similar. The footage is not great, but it at least means there is a good chance that footage is around if they had some. The magazine was not too bad a start point, though it did gloss over him a little bit.}

23 Feb 2018 09:38:43
That's a blast from the past Ed, I wouldn't know but my dad used to speak very highly of John Conteh.

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{Ed001's Note - good guy Conteh, shows that no matter what kind of family you come from, you can rise above it if you choose and make something of yourself.}

23 Feb 2018 09:51:11
Like the legends of football articles you've done Ed, is there any chance you could maybe do a few when you have spare time for legends in boxing? would love to know more about some of the names already mentioned this morning.

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{Ed001's Note - ok mate will add that to the to do list. I would enjoy doing one on Joe Louis as he was my grandad's hero. He never got over meeting him during the war, sometimes it felt like he thought the whole thing was worth it just so he could meet the 'Brown Bomber'!!}

23 Feb 2018 09:53:21
Ed I actually work in boxing both on the promotion and reporting side. I'll just tell you that a lot of judges are purely incompetent rather than fixed nowadays. I also get free tickets to lots of big events if you're ever interested pass on your email and I'll let you know.

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{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't argue with you mate, but it is difficult to get over that fixed belief as we all know fighters that have been offered money to throw fights.

Do those events stretch to the UAE mate? I am out here for my health (sun and sea air) and lately my liver has been playing up so doubt I will be back in the UK for a while.}

23 Feb 2018 09:59:32
That'd be fantastic cheers Ed mate :)

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{Ed001's Note - it will be a nice change from the football stuff. Sometimes it is nice to have something different, like they say a change is as good as a rest.}

23 Feb 2018 10:04:45
Brilliant idea that salah I'd love that if edd 1 gets the time. I can't believe I didn't think of it.

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{Ed001's Note - I will post them up on our boxing site, could do with a bit more on there as it has never really taken off.}

23 Feb 2018 10:10:34
Great assessment of Mayweather Ed. Hated him as a person myself but there was no doubting his talent. The Manny Pacquiao fight was too late in his career I think for him to have any chance with him after he dodged fighting him for so many years. can't wait for your article on the Legends of Boxing, thanks ed.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers Cyk, I am looking forward to doing it, might rekindle my enthusiasm for a sport I used to love.}

23 Feb 2018 10:12:58
Eubank Jr was fighting at too high a weight which meant that he wasn't able to physically dominate Groves like he has to almost everyone else. If he drops down he'll be able to use that brute force to do very well.

But he's not a boxer, he's a muscle bound windmill. He has the speed and power to be very very good but he needs a proper trainer to teach him how to use them, not his fame hungry father running the Eubank Circus.

My favourite fighter at the moment is GGG, his control of fights and unbelievable power make him so exciting to watch. He beat Canello when they last fought (despite what the scorecards said) and he'll beat him again if they fight once more.

Anthony Joshua is living off the Klitschko result and was poor in his last fight. He needs to stop focusing on promotion and learn some ring craft.

On the subject of Joshua's promotion he promotes an incredibly exciting young fighter called Lawrence Okolie, who could go on to be very very successful if given the right training.

Oh and look out for Murat Gassiev. He will win the super series at Cruiserweight and he is only 24. If he can successfully move up to Heavyweight then he may be one to watch out for on the biggest stages shortly.

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23 Feb 2018 11:07:01
Suprised ED2 hasn't barged in saying 'this is the Liverpool page take it elsewhere' hahah ;)

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23 Feb 2018 11:31:17
Lol usually I look up and read about football in the morning quite often, well every day anyway. It's good to have a change from time to time :) been watching some cracking content online this morning, I too may get into it a little more now. Will keep an eye on the boxing page Ed. Thank you mate.

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{Ed033's Note - Yes Welsh red376, you could take it to our boxing talk site

23 Feb 2018 11:32:30
I love GGG RedDawn. He is the most exciting to watch in the sport. His chin is stronger than my relationship. Agree with everything you say on Eubank and Joshua as well.

Joshua is turning into the Ronaldo of boxing. He is plastered all over totally unrelated adverts and products. The difference is Ronaldo is also incredibly focused on his spott. Joshua just needs to focus on the boxing and he could potentially go down as a great. I don't think he is developing as much as he should be though. If the Fury who schooled Klitschko ever comes back fully fit, i think he'll wear Joshua down and stop him in one of the later rounds. Joshua is carrying too much excess muscle as it's crucial to his image, but his stamina is not good as a result. It is a travesty how under rated Fury is, but he doesn't help himself with his behaviour out of the ring. He's a bit of a clown truth be told, but he's the most skilled heavyweight of his generation. Joshua will always have a punchers chance though with that big right hand of his. I really hope that fight happens in a year or two because as you say, Joshua lacks ring craft and it would be good to see him truly tested. A 40 year old nearly knocked him out; the same guy who at a younger age, barely grazed Fury.

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23 Feb 2018 10:55:36
Like you Ed, loved boxing as a kid growing up BUT never boxed (can't take a hit) . I loved Ali and Jack Johnson was a true beast. jack Dempsey and Joe Louis weren't bad either. I did live thru the Thomas hearns-Marvin Hagler-Sugar Ray Leonard-Roberto Duran era where they literally fought each other 2 sometimes 3 times over. Wow, that was the stuff of legends at the time. I loved Mike Tyson as well in his hey day BUT I stopped watching boxing when Tyson fell off and when Riddick Bowe simply refused to fight Lennox Lewis cos to many, he was scared of losing to him after he lost to him in the '88 Olympics. Same with Sugar Ray Leonard who refused to fight Aaron Pryor cos Pryor always smacked him during pre '72 Olympics training camp.

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{Ed001's Note - always feels a shame when a boxer ducks a fight.}

23 Feb 2018 10:58:04
I think AJ struggled in his last fight as a result of Takam being a late replacement. People say takam didn’t have a full training camp but he did because he was due to fight 2 weeks later, so his conditioning was good going into the fight. Takam is a very tough and durable fighter. Wasn’t his best performance but the amount of muscle was an issue. He’s currently cutting his weight for the fight v Parker a fight which I expect him to win inside 6 rounds (no offence to Parker) I simply think AJ will carry more speed than he has since the fight v Martin. AJ will be the unified champ by Easter 2019 then a huge showdown summer 2019 v Fury would be huge.

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23 Feb 2018 12:40:57
Let's not forget the living legend Katie Taylor and what she's done and continues to do for womens boxing. It's obvious I'm a bray lad. Cheers for the info ed1 on jack Johnson. Had no idea that the greatest was so heavily influenced. Hope the warm air is helping and hope your problems pass soon. Personally I think Tyson is the greatest fighter imo, I just wish he'd had better competition during his heyday.

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{Ed001's Note - Tyson was a brute at his peak, it would have been good to see him face some truly world class fighters like Ali had to. I am not sure even someone like Ali could have coped with him when he first won the title. Nowhere near the most skilled, but he would run through anything the opponent had to throw and hit with the force of a speeding truck. We will never know if he was a true great though, because his opposition was not in the class of Frazier and Foreman at their peaks.}

23 Feb 2018 14:59:06
Just to reply to the John Conteh post, I saw a few of his fights, he was so good, great man to train, he lost one major fight, when the other guy had a huge cut over his eye, russian I think, they plastered his eye with cement or something, then gave him the win, talk about a wrong result, John was a brilliant boxer, great jab great punch .

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, nice to hear.}

23 Feb 2018 14:59:51
Tyson fury is not a good boxer the guy is a bum! Yes he got a decision against klitschko, only coz he believed his bull in the build up. Good ave seen cruiserweights put the numpty on his back he will never beat aj as long as a have a hole in me arse. And Eubanks jr needs a decent coaching team and get rid of his father because at the mo he just isn't that good simple.

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23 Feb 2018 16:11:07
I hope to see some of you guys on the boxing page as it gets a bit lonely there.
I'll be reading any of Edds writeups when he gets it going.

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{Ed001's Note - you lot will have to work on Ed025 to do some as well, he loves his boxing.}

23 Feb 2018 16:52:55
I happen to think Tyson Fury is a better boxer than AJ.
I don’t think AJ is that good, some of the descriptions of Eubank Jr could be applied to AJ.

A fit Fury would run rings round AJ IMO.

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{Ed025's Note - big call that ken, i think AJ would flatten him mate..

23 Feb 2018 17:34:23
Fury us a much better fighter than joshua when fit. And Ed if we ever have an event in UAE I'll let you know. It doesn't stretch out to Vegas we got a few comps to ggg v canelo last year. We have a small hall show at the York Hall this weekend with a couple of our big up and coming guys. I'll be at Frampton donaire in Ireland later in the year and likely Warrington v Selby unless someone else covers it.

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{Ed001's Note - there is quite a big boxing scene over here, we get to see a lot of Amir Khan as he is trying to establish a gym here. Though most here are more into MMA.}

23 Feb 2018 17:51:59
I remember my dad talking about Jack Johnson, a hell of a boxer, like you said Edo1, in a harder time, especially for black boxers, but he used to say that he didn't like him as a boxer due to how he punished his opponext. In many of his fights he could have beaten them in a few rounds, but he would beat them up instead, as if making them suffer before winning. Jack Dempsey was a class act of what i've seen, the first million dollar fight I'm sure. But Joe Louis and Ali would be in that top 3 heavyweights, hard to narrow down the one to join them :)

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{Ed001's Note - I wonder what people think of Rocky Marciano?}

23 Feb 2018 22:03:12
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22 Feb 2018 18:26:24
I dunno about everyone else but I'm looking forward to the next sharkopod😄.

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22 Feb 2018 18:51:01
Really hope there is one before too long :)

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22 Feb 2018 20:46:40
It seems like Ed2 has told us what he knows so far, I think it might be worth leaving it closer to the summer then he may have more info on other targets. But yeah, I still wouldn't mind one now :)

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{Ed002's Note - I am technically homeless and need to be in Israel for about a week - prod me in a couple of weeks but as you say I think you have much of what I know. But you are all clearly in need of a little musical education still. Perhaps we can roll out the Caretakers of Deception - or maybe the Painted Ship's "Frustration" would be more suitable.}

22 Feb 2018 22:07:52
Two things I like about Sharkopod:
(1) Ed002's dulcet tones.

(2) The music. It's always excellent.

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22 Feb 2018 21:30:39
Yeah Ed, stick some 'Caretakers of Deception - Cuttin' Grass' in there ha ha! - Have fun in Israel mate, who we signing from there then? lol :)

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22 Feb 2018 21:41:44
Where in Israel Ed, spent some time in Tel Aviv in the last two years. Interesting country and city, both positive and negative. Getting there is the drama to end all dramas, lol.

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{Ed002's Note - I am in Tel Aviv.}

22 Feb 2018 23:48:37
Hey ed002, I’ll put you up when you’re back from Israel. 👍.

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23 Feb 2018 09:44:45
Great sports bar Mikes Place on the beach front, lots of tvs all showing different global sports. Watched some PL in there, decent American style food too. Puaa in Jaffa is great value and fantastic food, was a regular haunt and Hakovshim Bistro also great value and good food.

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