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30 Oct 2014 16:27:54
Would you agree that our best centre back pairing so far has been Toure and Lovren? I'd like to see these 2 start at the weekend as well.

Red Rum

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30 Oct 2014 12:06:24
After watching a few games of Benfica last season with Markovic playing I was extremely excited for his move.

Not just because of the fact that he is a known young exciting prospect, but also because of his flair, pace and dribbling abilities.

However right now it is not working for him at liverpool. Of course much is expected of him considering his transfer sum, but he is also a long time investment considering his age. We do need players right now that can make an immediate impact though.

Our recipe for scoring goals last season relied mainly on fast high pressure play and through balls to our attackers. For me I see quite a bit of similarities between Torres and Markovic and it would be interesting to see him play as an attacker in the diamond together with perhaps Balotelli or Lambert.

With his pace he can make more room for his other attackers as well as giving Coutinho an option of playing more through balls which he (Coutinho) is so good at.

We are desperately lacking more movement up top at the moment and even though we cannot put all the pressure on a 20 year old who is yet unproven in the premier league it would be interesting to see him play as an attacker. At least we have to change something or try something else, because right now, well … something is not right.

Chakob

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30 Oct 2014 12:32:59
Chakob, there is a trend in modern football that a player should instantly adjust to a league through the demand of a supporters appetite for them to succeed straight away.

There is also an unjust expectation that all players should be adaptable to many different positions.

These two things combined make it near impossible for any player, never mind a foreign player to succeed straight away.

The 'biggie' though is the expectation of Liverpool Football Club, as it seems to me that many players crumble with the expectations and simply fade away, only to have a career in tatters and sold off to a vulture club somewhere else.

Many players have failed over the years, and many will continue to do so, but in relation to the player mentioned, we need to consider all the above circumstances before any of us pass judgement.

Play him more!!!!!!!!!!!

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Marcovic is absolutely nothing like Torres how can you even compare the two . Marcovic is a direct quick wide man who likes to take on a player . Torres was a quick accelerating forward who played on the shoulder of the defenders and was a deadly finisher

Johnaldinioh

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How is that an unjust expectation though? When you pay £20 million for a player the team and the supporters will naturally have their expectations.

You can argue that it is unjust to put those expectations on a 20 year old boy, and that is not fair to him by the buying club, but still the expectations are there.

chakob

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30 Oct 2014 14:30:22
We all expect good things mate, but we have to be reasonable when the player hasn't had the opportunities.

It doesn't help that the team is so low on confidence either.

Is it fair to judge a young lad, with high expectations, at a big club, in a big league, who has sporadic starts in a team plagued by a lack of confidence, with high league expectations and issues?

Not really, but I do get your point mate.

In saying that, the same applies too many of our new signings (with the exception of the Italian who THINKS he's the next big thing, has Premier league experience and is a lazy get!).

daveybootle

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30 Oct 2014 11:06:52
"Liverpool are in pole position to sign Marco Reus"

It must be true guys the Metro are reporting it!

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30 Oct 2014 13:32:20
It's alright lads we'll sign a 17 year old instead, the next reus in 8 years rather than the Reus

seems to be our policy these days

JLPred

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30 Oct 2014 17:03:50
If Reus wants to leave Dortmund it will be for Die Bayern or Real, not Liverpool

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30 Oct 2014 05:36:29
Michael Edwards (Director of Performance)
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Ed002 if you still around, do you know what is "Director of Performance", what's the remit of his role and responsibilities? I tried googling it and the only one I found football related is the Scottish FA Director of Performance, but it does n't say what he does?

Roy

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He came from Spurs as a Comolli "signing" and is responsible for the analysis of how the players at the club and players who are looking to come to the club perform on a match-by-match basis.}

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30 Oct 2014 07:16:27
Why is newcastle always in such goof form when we have to play them? I mean seriously every season for about 2/3rds of the season they are bad, but on form for us. I fear for us in that game.

But i would definitely play borini in the game cause he played really well against the swans and that he always scores against newcastle be it for pool or sunderland.

And yea pair him up with balotelli

PakRed

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30 Oct 2014 09:27:37
Aston villa r the same they play relegation football and then we play them they look like a top 6 team.imo against Newcastle we need to put more pressure on their full backs than we did against hull.

Tommy Irish Red

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Haha yea Villa or any team managed by Tony pulis is our boogey team.

Put pressure on full back and start with two up top playing high pressing game like he did most of last season

PakRed

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Newcastle will be VERY tough the Sat. The boys had better b ready

redohio

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29 Oct 2014 22:31:07
I'm among the few with this, by the looks of the majority of posts.

What is with the Rodgers out calls / talk?
Yes performances haven't been good, barely ok if I'm honest. However, we're within touching distance of 3rd and only 5 points of 2nd. Still in the capital one cup, still have a very decent chance of qualifying for the next round of the champions league.

The most embarrassing thing for me, is if we hadn't of fallen short last season, you posters calling for his head would be asking for him to be inducted into a hall of fame regardless of this season.

There's no two ways about it, we over achieved last season by going as close to winning as we did. This year should be about a top 4 finish, even if that is 4th and decent cup wins, ideally winning one.

Performances will come, but whilst they're so bad and be it fortunate or not, results are working our way.

Yes, Rodgers has is faults, few don't. But why don't we back him and the team, ride out our luck as when the performances click, and they will, the clubs around us will be the ones scrambling around looking for points.

Big E

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29 Oct 2014 23:49:21
performances click, and they will, the clubs around us will be the ones scrambling around looking for points
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Agree with most of what you saying Big E, probably the owners will have a different view come end of season. However your comment above can go both ways, its very possible the performance of the teams around us clicks few weeks before us, what do we do then

Roy

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30 Oct 2014 00:24:28
Why should we count on the poor performances of others? We haven't played anyone that will challenge this season for top 4 except city. That is what concerns me.

TjRed

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The concern i have which others seem to share is the inability to score goals, the total lack of cohesion going forward generally and the defence actually reaching new lows in some games this season which considering our defence last season is saying something. Its the feeling that the madrid game is waiting to happen to us match after match because of the problems mentioned previously.

north

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I don't understand why people say that fsgs expectation is for us to win the leageu this season. I know they've spent money this year but do you guys realise how much city and chelsea spent to get them to where they are? we haven't spent anything near that

From what i understand the owners want to make a long term sustainable structure which does not mean immediate title. From 8th to 7th to overacheiving to 2nd and now this year with the cl to come 4th again and consolidate. If done spend money on one or two quality players next season and challenge for the title

PakRed

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30 Oct 2014 08:09:39
You need to listen RedPak. Assurances have been made, pressure is on and if everyone else hadn't started the league as badly as us, we would be well off the pace.

WelshBoyDave

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30 Oct 2014 08:16:19
Well of course our goalscoring is a concern atm, we have what is essentially 3 new strikers and our only one from last year (and our best one) out injured. But he'll be back soon, and our players will acclimatize to the team more, so the goals will come

hjikle

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Listen i want an Aston Martin for Christmas but i certainly don't think i will be getting one even if my wife promised me one. I would be deluded and so is John Henry if he thinks we can out muscle City and Chelsea for the league. To quote John himself, "What are they smoking over there?"

The Irish Rover

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We have been consistently very poor this season. Hard to watch for very long periods, especially first 60 minutes of every game other than Spurs. We have a really poor defence for the third season running which BR was never able to do anything about and this season we are also very poor going forward. Almost all our players have performed worse than how they did last season for us or in thier previous teams. Until the 86 minute against Swansea this week we were 260 consecutive minutes without a goal, all in home games. We are 7th in the league and based on how we play I cannot see why people think we will finish top 4 other than a fantasy that the magic of the second half of last season will repeat itself. But the porblem is that the magician that created most of the magic (more and more it seems all the magic) has left for Barcelona and it seems that we didn't spend very wisely the money we got for him (and there are all the reasons to believe that ManU and Arsenal will also be much better the second half of the season). 2nd place of last year was a great achievment but first and foremost it had to be a platform to improve and be a regular memebr of the top 4 for years, especially taking advantage on the time it will take ManU to rebuild their team and they will pour all the bilions they have to do this and be there ventually as we know. Not taking advantage of that and not finishing top 4 this season given how Arsenal and ManU (and even City at times) look so far, is a crime because it can take us another 5 years at least before we can go back to top 4. BR talked in the summer about going 1 place better than last year - then about top 4 and now about a season of transition. If I was the owner I would have expected more for the milins I pay him. I don't think every fan who has high expectations is a moaner sorry. It is not one or two games it is 15 games now.

fanobip

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To the fan saying "we almost won the league". I said that to some random drunk guy at the bar when I was defending Rodgers (not that I do anymore). He said to me: "well I almost won the lottery"

redkenyan

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I agree Fanobip. BR has stuck his foot in his mouth time and again by making promises he might not b able to keep and it will take a miracle to keep his job if he doesn`t turn it around soon.

redohio

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30 Oct 2014 12:59:48
A lot of you are correct about the teams around us also starting poorly. And the way I ended my post was just a bit of optimism. But it also can bare truth.

I see that many are set on their way and maybe worry too much about what is said in press conferences, personally it doesn't bother me what is said in front of the press, as the messages behind the scenes are likely different.

Imagine the uproar if Rodgers came out and said 'you know what last year we did well, but that's it back to consolidation for us'. Now we all know that's the case with us deep down, but the backlash of the fans would have been huge! Sometimes we need to read between the lines.

As for goals it's no secret we're struggling but you take 60 odd goals out of your side then regardless of replacement it isn't going to be easy.

Balotelli isn't a lone forward, he's trying despite many frustrations, but he's hardly a Voronin and there's plenty to come from him.

It will come, and yes the other 'struggling' clubs will also eventually click into gear. Or the league on the whole has become stronger and barring Chelsea it isn't quite as cut and dry now? It's a long long season and as long as results keep on rolling in, then we're going somewhere. Of course I would like us to play good football, like last season but if we can't but we can still get points then I'll take it.

Many of you clamber if the likes of Klopp, Dortmund sit around 13th in the Bundesliga. He's still a top manager, but surely that form doesn't warrant even his name mentioned if you're considering Rodgers out? Double standards, largely.

Big E

Ed01{Ed001's Note - how is one bad season with Klopp comparable to Rodgers, who has had one good half season??? Silly comparison.}

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The comparison is with the fans that call for the managers head after a MEDIOCRE start to this season. We're well within touching distance of all but chelsea and in all cup competitions.

Yet, still he's wanted gone. But a manager that steered Dortmund to league glory has now gone so down hill that his Dortmund side sit in midtable? WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE? I'm not doubting Klopp's managerial prowess, I actually think he's a top manager, but the situation he finds himself in currently is absolutely comparable.

And to say that on the back of one bad season? Has Rodgers not progressed year upon year up to now? But because he hasn't won a league title he's had bad seasons? This is what is wrong with modern day football/fans, very few seem to have realistic expectations and views on the game (Not saying this directly to you 001, but as a generalisation).

I respect your opinions and the knowledge you bring to the table, but if we can't stick by Rodgers, then what happens in 2-3 seasons when our next manager has a poor start, or drops off?

It's genuinely time for fans to realise that until we have CONSISTANT champions league qualification then we are no longer a HUGE club.

Sure we're still big but not what we once were.

Ultimately, football, whether you play it, watch it, coach it. It's a game of opinions, if it wasn't every side would play the same and probably draw each week.

Big E

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Ed01, You ar wrong here. Saying BR had a good half a season is being morally dishonest and disingenous. In the past one and a hal season`s, ONLY City amassed more points than us during that span and if we had won the PL, would the fact that the rest of the league was bad be a reason? NO. And if that was the case, then this season is even WORSE and if Chelsea win it would they have benefited from worse league? NO. As a former athlete, I can tell you for a fact that NOTHING is given to you on the field, court or any arena of sport. You have to show up and be ready for a fight, period because regardless of thestandard, you still have to go out there and compete in games and win which is what we did last year and came up short. You can disagree w/ BR on the issues and want him sacked and that`s your opinion. HOWEVER, what I will NOT accept from ANYONE is to minimise hs relative success (success nonetheless) and deny him his due for what he did w/ a small squad due to flimsy excuses of LS made him good, the PL was poor or all that other nonsense. He achieved what he achieved and we should credit him for that and give him is due. Also he should be criticized for what he`s doing or not doing and rightfully so. I`m not going to get into te Klopp debate because IMO, there`s no point comparing both of them.

redohio

Ed01{Ed001's Note - get your head out of your backside! It is the truth, we were awful the first season and a half under him. I really don't care what the rest do, that is totally irrelevant. The fact is we were crap until the second half of the season. I really don't care what you 'used' to be, you know nothing if you think we had a good start to last season, a good season the previous one and are playing well now. You are such a sanctimonious 'person' at times. You lecture everyone constantly like you are some kind of expert, when clearly you are not. You talk utter tripe more often than not, like you are now and I will not be lectured to by you. I will criticise him when I feel he deserves it, not when you tell me I can. If you don't like it, try proving me wrong, instead of just trying to shout louder until you drown everyone else out like you normally do. Rodgers has achieved nothing, yet, and it is embarrassing that some saddos are now shouting about him coming second like it is winning something.}

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29 Oct 2014 20:10:27
Title: The reason we've been playing much slower this season to last season.
The problem is both Henderson and Gerrard are negative when receiving the ball, their first touch is almost always facing the centre backs and doesn't allow them to see what's ahead in play which slows down our game. Players like Lucas, Coutinho, Allen, Lallana & Can all try to receive the ball is a positive way by taking their first touch with a turn facing away from our CBs (when possible). This allows them to see players who are open and even if closed down can get their passes off with their second touch = faster play & encourages movements from those is forward positions which then causes the defensive team to be on the back foot as we apply pressure, instead of calming watching us play slow & unconvincingly and then calling it "possession play".
The End.

Haych   Haych
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Got to disagree here; it will some times depend on if you are being marked / closed down; open your body and then the opposition can nick the ball and be through on goal.

We have slowed our play down; have full backs ahead of most of our midfield and allowing one or two opposition players to basically null 4 of 5 of our players.

If Gerrard dropping deep causes this then no more splitting of the center backs and let the CB's have the ball.

Hoola

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Hoola is right. The system we play leaves us exposed and it DOESN`T matter how many DM`s u have, there are too many gaps to fill as soon as one of the FB`s lose the ball or get caught out. The reason we are slower is because we don`t have the personel we had last year (SAS) with Raheem and Couts feeding them that made life miserable for opposing teams who were too busy trying to nullify them instead of presuring us. Teams worried about us and we NEVER worried about them which is the BEST advantage to have. Not so much this year. That`s why we have become slower. Also, this "splitting of CB`s" BS is causing us probs and unfortunately, nothing will change. That is why opposing teams put someone on SG which has caused issues this season. What stops SG coming deep to pick up the ball and dictate from there? Other teams do it. That will leave us less exposed and more compact until we get Studge, Raheem, Couts and Balo get going again.

redohio

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29 Oct 2014 23:26:50
Disagree. Both Lucas and Coutinho featured in our midfield against Swansea and I saw no discernible difference in the speed of our play.

Puzzled Red

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Completely disagree with u there. I don't know why but Its the tactic we are adobting this year not because of SG or JH. We had SG and JH last season when we played fast and aggressive football. Don't make every player a scapegoat. BR is trying to play possession football, that's it

teddy

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29 Oct 2014 23:53:00
Disagree. Both Lucas and Coutinho featured in our midfield against Swansea and I saw no discernible difference in the speed of our play.
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Was about to post the same thing . To me the problem is the runners. Last year as soon as we got possession (spelling?) , Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling will start to make their runs, giving the man with ball forward options. This year , no one willing to make the run, Sterling will try but because he is the only one, he gets marked and the ball won't even get to him.

Roy

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I've noticed an awful lot of times when the CDM will receive the ball from the CB and immediately give it back to the CB, even when there is tonnes of space to turn into. Are they not talking to each other? I've played CB for years and I'm always talking to the player I'm passing to. It's either a "turn and Go', or "man on" etc, it's not hard. I must admit I've seen it more from Gerrard this season than in previous.

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29 Oct 2014 18:40:06
i have been told that the reason Brad Smith returned to liverpool was that he was offered a new contract but refused as he he wanted more. I beleive it was approx 5 grand a week. As he refused what was offered liverpool called him back and told him he's not playing again until this is resolved.
He did ok at swindon and was improving as he played more. don't know if he was setting the world alight though. if i find out any more i will let you know, cheers all

bananasplit

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29 Oct 2014 21:01:50
Don't let EMS read this he'll go insane that his boy is being a pain! I think he'd gladly give him 50k a week and play him at lb

not one of harrys

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Already looking greedy and doesn`t have all his teeth yet literally, physically and football-wise. If true then footballers have become useless and his career will b over even before it starts.

redohio

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Hold your horses boys, we don't know whether this is true or not do we.

Kaizer

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29 Oct 2014 17:46:03
4 strikers but only 1 goal scorer. And he's always injured so that's the main problem.
Midfield is at sea, because Coutinho Sterling Lallana, all play their best football at the tip of the diamond and are almost ineffective in other positions.
Defence is unsettled, because he chops n changes it every match with our centre backs and full backs always making mistakes.
And Migs is average, probably doesn't help having no competition.

DBol   DBol
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29 Oct 2014 21:03:45
Coutinho had by far his best 6 months for us playing left wing and hasn't been half as effective through the middle but I agree with the other two

not one of harrys

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Over the past few games, he`s been briliant at the playmaker position, IMO. He is wasted out wide because he`s an old school number 10 who needs movement off the ball to b effective. The prob is that he doesn`t have players making clever runs off the ball like SASAS did last year. That was evident last night when NOBODY made runs off the ball whenever he had it.

redohio

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29 Oct 2014 23:27:56
What?! He had his best 6 months playing in the hole behind Sturridge.

Anyone on this site could tell you that, mate.

Puzzled Red

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29 Oct 2014 15:09:34
Has anyone noticed how Pascoe has started doing a lot more interviews? Is this eds anything to do with the owners being fed up of rodgers putting his foot in his mouth repeatedly?

ollymeadows

Ed02{Ed002's Note - No, it was him running a League Cup game.}

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Any particular reason for Pascoe running the game? isn't it unusual, Ed?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - No, it is not uncommon at all.}

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Does that mean he picks the team and makes the substitutions for the game?

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He will have his input.}

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30 Oct 2014 13:13:47
Ed, surely he has his input in all games, as what's the point of being an assistant manager if you don't?

Keith

Ed02{Ed002's Note - This is going nowhere.}

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29 Oct 2014 13:28:17
I've been working a lot recently so haven't had the time to comment on my post from the other day, but from what I gathered most of us are willing to give BR a chance to turn things around and rightly so in my opinion. However we have all acknowledged the need for changes in the transfer market.

For me this is the best way to go forward:

1) Let Rodgers assemble the team he needs to challenge. The owners need to stop forcing players on him as It only creates more problems especially if they don't fit into Rodgers' system.

2) If the owners want to make low cost gambles on youngsters, why not buy them and loan them back to their current club until they are ready to come into the side? If that means (for example) keeping Origi at Lille for 3 seasons until he is ready then so be it. There is no point bringing players in that aren't ready as it will only halt their development.

Red Rum

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Can't let that happen mate. We'll get more players like Aspas, Ilori, Alberto, Sahin, moses, etc. He is burning FSG's money which can be better utlilised elsewhere.

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29 Oct 2014 14:11:47
1. no players have been "forced" on Rodgers, he gets the final say on signing them

2. Because no club would agree to that, say we bought origi for 10 mill and loaned him back for three seasons, he may end up being worth over 30m therefore representing a huge loss to the selling club, the selling club just would not agree to selling their youngster and simply keep hold of him till his value increases further

JLPred

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1. The owners are not forcing anything on Rodgers. It is BR who is wasting the money being made available to him.

2. That is just naive. Spend money on a player and then let that player spend 65% of his contract away at another club? Then when he comes back, some people will still say, guve him a year to settle, by which time the player would have run out of contract. Naive.

The real AG

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All the players brought this summer are BR's choice so I don't know what you want from the owners. The only exception is maybe Mario and I am not sure that BR's option which was Bony would have made any difference. Regarding giving BR a chance I think you at least have to define what would consist a failure at the end of the season. For me given how Arsenal and ManU are doing and where we were last year and the money we spent in the summer non top 4 finish mean he did not deliver.

fanobip

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29 Oct 2014 15:16:26
To be fair to RR's second point, this technique is well utilised by other clubs, Chelsea being a prime example. It has enabled them to get one of the world's finest goalkeepers for a relatively low sum (£8m, less than we paid for Migs) and develop him in a first team setting. I know they didn't loan Courtois back to the club that they bought him from, but the principle still stands that long term loans, as long as the parties all understand the rationale, can work very well for buying players at a much lower price.

Re the first point I don't know enough about who's choice each transfer was to comment, and most of the other comments on this are pure speculation too.

Zeddicus

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Does anyone on here actually know how our transfer committee works and who sits on it? Eds? You would presume BR has a lot of influence but does he have the final say on who comes and goes? Is it done on a majority vote? I would not have thought BR would have players forced upon him that he had no interest in what so ever but with how he favours some players over others it does make you wonder. It would be interesting to find out exactly how the committee does work as it could certainly do with some fine tuning.

NRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Ian Ayre, Dave Fallows (Head of Recruitment), Barry Hunter (Chief Scout), Brendan Rodgers, Director of Performance Michael Edwards (Director of Performance). I am not going to explain how it works as people seem intent on apportioning blame.

If anyone is to be blamed it will be Rodgers. If you are not happy, the tried and trusted ways used by Liverpool supporters will no doubt work again - daub abuse on the stadium and get the flags up at home games.}

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Thanks for the info Ed. I'm not looking to blame anyone I was just genuinely interested in the set up.

NRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Ok, but others are.}

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Let me ask you something. Do you agree with the way that the youngsters have been treat over the past few seasons? Do you agree that we should bring in players that will struggle to even make the bench?

As Zeddicus pointed out it doesn't have to be their current club, it could be any club in a top league willing to give young players a chance.

Courtois was bought from Genk and immediately sent out on loan to Athletico Madrid. Chelsea will have assessed his progress over each individual season and only brought him to Chelsea when he was good enough. Athletico was happy to have a player of his quality on loan, Chelsea were happy to have him there to develop and Courtois was happy to be getting regular game time in a top league.

We should do the exact same thing with our youngsters. Assess Origi at the end of the season, if he's not yet ready and everyone is happy to renew the loan deal for another season then what is the problem? Let's say we bring him back next season and he struggles to get in the team. Then what?

But before we even contemplate signing youngsters and loaning them out we need to ensure that the current team is up to scratch.

Red Rum

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I am not sure Chelsea is the best comparison. Chelsea have been aware they need to do more to bring youngsters through the academy (Ake, Boga, Solanke, Brown et al are doing well right now but many will have a career elsewhere) and are also aware that they cannot continue to spend large amounts on first team players. They needed to find a way to balance the books, which they have been doing. As such they have been looking to bring in 18-20 year olds for which they can build a development plan for - and this may (as in the case of Courtois), see them on loan for several years. Such an approach has been shown to provide a better return than the academy and right now there are several players on loan who will come through in to the first team squad in coming years (Kalas, Traore, Piazon, Perica, Hazard are good examples). Others won't make it - everyone is aware of that.

Chelsea has also built relationships with other teams and in some cases have provided training facilities and advice, and in some cases staff at those clubs. They have a support network where every player out on loan has an allocated liaison office (in most cases these are ex players) who are constantly available. It doesn't mean that they won't continue to bring through a couple or three first team squad players a year, they know that. Drogba for instance is a stop gap that needs replacing in the summer.

Liverpool has a well known academy that has had great success over the years but that is pretty much where it ends. The players out on loan look like they are there because other options were not available - there certainly seems to be no planned development process, and I understand from what one has said, only contact with the club via SMS. So there is a lot of difference in the processes. Liverpool still seems to be looking to try and spend money in the hope of success as far as I can tell. To me it looks like action is required, as I have explained on plenty of occasions. Else, it looks like a hole - and a hole that is getting bigger.}

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In my view, They`re all to blame. BR is ineffective in the TW while the shambolic commitee is just making things worse by getting players who (according to Ed01/02) are not his choice like Markovic, Ilori, Sahko, Balo etc. We cannot blame one w/o the other. A DOF is the way to go or someone who is well-versed in the players we need and who fit what we are trying to do. It works in other countries where w/ clubs who are well-structured and where everyone knows his/her job and NOBODY`s encroaching on anyone`s space. If BR refuses to work with such an expert or atmosphere, then he should get the sack, IMO.

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29 Oct 2014 13:18:08
Eds 001. Your opinion is highly valued on this site so my questions to you are, do you think Rogers should be sacked? And apart from Biesla who I don't think would leave Marseille mid season who do you think should replace BR?

The_Brendans_Advocate

Ed01{Ed001's Note - if he would accept help on the defensive side, I would keep him, oh and brings in a new goalie coach. Otherwise, I think the only thing that really justifies him staying is that there is no replacement for him. Unless the club is willing to take a risk on De Boer, I just don't see any one out there to replace him.}

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Speaking only from a gut feeling, I can see Klopp becoming the next manager of Liveprool in a couple of years time with Gerrard possibly as assistant. Only my opinion

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Spot on, Ed! A man should recognize when he is deficient in certain aeas of life and accept albeit reluctantly, to get some help in these areas. The contrary is just STUPIDITY and FALSE PRIDE.

redohio

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Why do you think De Boer would be a risk ed001? I don't know anything about De Boer tbh.

Kaizer

Ed01{Ed001's Note - because he has little experience other than running Ajax in a league with little real competition.}

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29 Oct 2014 11:02:50
Ed001, with Suso's injury, do you think its too late for him at Liverpool?

mk

Ed01{Ed001's Note - sadly, yes.}

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Do you think he'll sign a pre-contract in January then? Appalled by BR's handling of him, completely destroying a great young player who could have been brilliant for us. Why on earth has he done this?

mk

Ed01{Ed001's Note - it is expected he will sign one, yes.}

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Absolutely gutted we've failed this lad. At 18 years old he had the world at his feet. Rodgers' complete lack of trust in him has stopped him from developing into the player he should have become (Silva-esque). Mark my words, Suso will play for one of Real Madrid or Barcelona before his career is finished. I just hope Coutinho ends up the better player so that Brendans decision to exile Suso is vindicated.

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29 Oct 2014 17:37:26
Isn't Coutinho's contract up at the end of the season or did I hallucinate that after sniffing some dodgy plant life?

- Something Red -

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Cheers for the reply ed001

mk

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29 Oct 2014 08:39:32
Im just happy to win. Maybe another clean sheet would have been nice but Mario scored. Concentrate on the next game now.

The Irish Rover

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Well said Rover. People seem to forget that this is the same Swansea team who have already claimed Man United and Evertons scalps this season.

It wasn't pretty, but we won. Move on lads. Really hoping we stick with the diamond this weekend. Balo and Borini up top, with Coutinho in behind (the lad's on form and Sterling will burn out if we keep overplaying him like we are).

Hopefully the team starts to play with some confidence! We are 3 points off 3rd place, in the quarter finals of the Capital one cup, still have control of our own destiny in Europe and still have the FA cup to come. I've been critical of our form this year and still believe it's down to tactics, but somehow, we're actually not doing that bad!

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4 of those players played against a quite frankly terrible UTD team.
There was also a significant and unfair sending off in the liverpool game. Please don't even begin to think that these games were comparable in any way.

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The horrible word burn out hate it if Terry is able to play a full season at thirty three then Sterling is able to play a full season at nineteen

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Terry`s body is already used to that type of rythm every year while Raheem is just a child. Terrible analogy!

redohio

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29 Oct 2014 08:32:44
borini need to start up front wit balotelli, cod he was sharp from start to finish, markovic hvnt convince me yet, he never play a match dat wil convince me dat he wil stil b gud

tonysweet

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Can you do that post again in english please?

Adrianp74

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29 Oct 2014 08:43:01
I was just about to post regarding Mario and Borini playing up front together. Many of us have been saying for ages that MB needs a strike partner, and last night proved that. Do you think this was a sign that BR will finally adopt the 4-4-2 approach that many of us have been crying out for, or do you think last night was a one off?

Super

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We did play with both of them upfront at West Ham.

That ended well.

Jay91

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So are we just jibbing Lambert off after he made a direct impact when coming on vs hull?

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Borini was not playing up top with balotelli . For anyone who actually watched the game would know he continued in the wide role hence the cross for balotelli . Hisgoal was about actually making a run towards the goal and not coming back into midfield . Nothing to do with a partner

Johnaldinioh

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Brilliant Adrianp74, just brilliant!

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29 Oct 2014 12:21:06
Bobatron - for our current need I'd say that's Lamberts best role, coming off the bench and causing absolute havock. I think he doesn't quite have the fitness to be mobile enough in our team for an extended period of time and would rather see 30 great minutes from him than 60-90 okay minutes

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So after Borinin puts in one half decent performance vs a reserve team. After people clamouring for a month the play lambet and Balotelli up front together, we finally see what that's like for 30 minutes during the Hull game, where it looks different and Lamber actually looks really good, then we say, Lambert is an impact player, even though in both his performances he's shown more than balotelli ever did in about 800 minutes.
Should we maybe not think about playing lamber up front with borini if that's the case, I mean Balotelli, came on as a sub for his goal.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Swansea had their first choice defence out and most of their first choice midfield, so it is unfair to suggest Borini was playing against a reserve side. I do agree though, Lambert and Borini looked far better together than Balotelli has done alongside anyone, so far, other than Sturridge.}

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"borini need to start up front wit balotelli, cod he was sharp from start to finish, markovic hvnt convince me yet, he never play a match dat wil convince me dat he wil stil b gud"

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"Borini played well enough last night to warrant a start up front with Balotelli against Newcastle this weekend. Markovic has yet to convince me he was worth the money we paid for him as he seems to lack the skill and speed of thought required to cope at the top end of the Premier League."

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I will agree the defense was 1st choice, but not the mdifield, not even in the slightest ed001.
No ki, Routledge came on for dyer, when they both start, even then it was an earlyish sub, no sigurdson, and then upfront no bony.
Sorry but they've started sigs, routledge, dyer ki and shelvey in the middle of the park, almost every prem game, only 2 of them started the carling cup.They were missing a midfielder for an extra attacker and 3 regular mids from the prem. Not close for me that.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Montero started the previous game as well, he is pushing Routledge out.}

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Bobatron, Swansea played no less of their first team than we played of ours.

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It`s funny. When we don`t win its because we`re terrible BUT when we DO win, it`s because the opposition made it easy or the ref made a decision or the other team fielded it`s high school team. So regardless of outcome, the club CAN`t win. PATHETIC! Swansea and LFC had a mixed team out there so no need minimising the victory because the boys fought hard to get a win in a game we would have lost 2-3 wks ago.

redohio

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The other team fielded a much weaker side as did we, I'm not arguing we didn't field a weaker side, I'm saying I wouldn't compare this side to the 1 that beat United.
And I certainly wouldn't harp on about balotelli when Lambert is provig a better forward atm in terms of spreading the play and making runs and holding it up.
Also they were missing a central defneder who most likely would have been marking lovren, instead it was (routledge I think.)
Don't get me wrong I'm glad we won, but the comaprisons and hype for mario after this are way over the top.
Ed I can't say I know the ins and out of swanseas dressing room, so I don't know if Montero is pushing out routledge, but he's certainyl started in more of their games this season.

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29 Oct 2014 07:15:04
good win, thought the boys had a bit more zip on the ball. Sharper movement, we looked like a team, and dare I say borini looked really sharp for a guywhi hasn't been played this long a time. Happy for balotelli. Hope net match he comes on sooner. But I like him coming on after borini and co have worn out the defence that's just me anyways. I hope Rodgers has a change of heart over Borini, he looked up for it yesterday. And he seems like another Henderson. He is here to fight. Gerard not playing was also great for the team I feel. Rest for two more games at least BR.

Ron The Red

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29 Oct 2014 06:44:26
Well, I am posting after quite a long time( previous posts under name "Indian with a Red Heart"). However, reading the posts religiously on a daily basis. Just like most of the reds, I am a frustrated figure watching our team play flat football after last season's adventure. I won't dwell into the reasons and departures and transfers etc but on the debate of Youth players Vs BR subject, I would like to ask couple of questions and would welcome all opinions:

1) Considering the weight of expectations of last season heroics and CL football back after 5 years at Anfield, do you guys really think that BR would or should had played likes of Rossiter/Ibe/Texeira in any of PL/CL games thus far?

2) Will we be having this debate and not criticizing BR and the purchases, had the results gone our way till to-date?

3)Sterling, Flanno, Coutinho, Markovic, Can, Moreno, Rossiter, Manquillo are all equal or below 21 years. How many youth players do we expect in a 25 member squad?

4) Many of us are questioning BR's decision about the youth players. But honestly give your opinion- Why had BR introduced more youth players last season when we were winning games and why should he do it now in PL/CL games when there is immense pressure to deliver results and his job is under threat?

5) We have known this for years now that youth players get their chances in cup games then why this hue and cry now. Every team competing in the top end does it which is to add squad depth and mix it up. So why should Liverpool be different?

It can be a very long post but will restrict it to this point. Please share your opinions because that's what makes this site a must activity daily.

Cheers and YNWA!

RedHeart

Ed01{Ed001's Note - 1. Of course he should have, silly question. What is the point of them being at a club and never playing for it? They would have offered at least as much, probably far more, than the players chosen in front of them.

2. Even more of a silly question. Though I am sure a lot of us would still have been critical of the purchases and the lack of use of youth academy players.

3. I expect the club to not buy in youth players when it already has a great crop of them and they are just as good as those bought in. Why not save the money spent on those and buy a couple of ready made players who could have made a difference?

4. He should do it because it is best for the future of the club.

5. Because the one year they were given a chance in the team they made a difference and improved us and immediately they are abandoned. It will destroy the future for the academy if they continue to be ignored.}

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30 Oct 2014 07:55:31
With all respect Ed, its not a silly question. It is easier to sit on fence and slate decisions when team is not performing well but for a moment let's be in BR shoes. Where will I play Rossiter when Lucas is not getting games? Ibe is only 18 and its not like his career will sink or swim if he doesn't gets his chances this season. Texeira- aren't there enough players to compete for midfield places?

Its logical to criticize him for team formations,substitutions or style of play or even Brendaning of certain players but not for Youth Players exclusion from first team.

RedHeart

Ed01{Ed001's Note - so you are saying it is right for him to not have any bottle and make brave decisions? Sorry but I disagree, if he hasn't got the bottle to make those decisions, then he doesn't deserve a job that involves making tough calls like that.}

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30 Oct 2014 08:11:47
All I am saying is that it can easily backfire and blow him up considering millions of pounds worth players on bench or out of squad and playing academy youngsters and ultimately not getting the result. I don't think its that easy a risk to take as stated by us sitting behind desk. After all its only 10 players that he can tinker with and half of them are auto starters.

RedHeart

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no player should be an auto starter for one. For two, there are 11 players he can tinker with if he chooses. For three, if he as good as he claims to be, he should be able to incorporate them into the side without it affecting our results. Finally, he was brought in partly to bring the youth players into the team, so not doing so is failure on his part. As for it backfiring, it is his job to ensure it doesn't, so he deserves to be slated when he doesn't even try.}

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29 Oct 2014 01:39:42
my views on the match
well 1st half we were easily the better side all we missed was goals!which happen to be important in football!
second half kicked of well but still no venom in front of goal as a result swansea scored a cracking goal (imo)
to go in front, then. mario came on and did the job expected of him!

its simple brendan the fans see it why don't you? stop playing mario as a lone striker its personic!
I'm also dissapointed with the fans who boo'ed mario when he came on, there's just no need and i hope he makes a point by getting a goal or 2 against the geordies!

coutiniho for MOTM well done lad and a shout out to borini hope u start alongside mario in the future

MikeD86

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29 Oct 2014 00:08:32
An awful lot of negativity on here tonight.

Having only just got back i haven't had a chance to rewatch any of the game but my initial thoughts would be thus.

Overall a decent performance. Swansea never really threatened over a prolonged period and by and large the defence did well. The swansea lad took his goal very well. People are being critical of jones but i would just say good finish. That was my initial reaction from where i was sat and i stand by it. Gomis had a free header (i think it was him anyway) but that was about it.

Midfield were okay. Henderson was quiet actually. Lucas the same, one or two sloppy errors but both worked hard and easily found plenty of space to operate. Coutinho played well for me. People can go on all night about his shooting but without his creativity ot would have been a struggle tonight.

Lambert held the ball up well but doesn't get in the box enough imo. he's picking it up far too deep. Borini was excellent. Created a goal, had two decent efforts and generally made himself a pain in the arse. Good job.

Markovic is a concern for me. It looks like a confidence issue. He rarely sizes up a man and does them for pace, which he clearly doesn't lack.

Overall good comeback. Good win. let's hope it kickstarts the season for us. Onwards to newcastle.

Wassa-lfc

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28 Oct 2014 23:45:26
Start borini this weekend! He needs matches, and he showed glimpses of what he can do today! A bit more sharpness and fitness and he can perform! He will cover the running and hassling up front we've been lacking and hopefully balo will support him. After a run of games last year he was key to sunderland, albeit a much different side and style, but he can score and offers more than just goals. I know he was far from great tonight, but there were glimpses like I said, great turn and shot in the fist half and great ball for balos goal!

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28 Oct 2014 23:06:42
Hope you enjoyed that DaRedMan! What a first game to go to. We're making a habit of these late comebacks recently.

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Thanks EMS!
It was a great game and I feel like a true red now I've visited Anfield!
I'm sure many people have some great stories about when they visited Anfield for the first time!?

DaRedMan

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28 Oct 2014 22:31:08
I was so ready to rip into them tonight, and i'm so relieved we fought back, but our shooting was terrible, Courtinho pointing at players telling them where to be instead of putting the ball where they are! the worst iv'e seen him play(sorry), Borrini looked like he had a point to prove and i thought he played very well and deserves a shot playing alongside Balo or Lambert next game, we were not too bad tonight but our shooting is woeful.

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I think coutinho played very well actually. Each to their own though.

Wassa-lfc

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Worst you've seen Coutinho play, seriously? He was the best player on the pitch. Nothing wrong with telling a player where he should be moving to to receive the ball, hopefully the next time they'll be where they should.

Burkeyboy

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It's never good starting with "I was so ready to rip into them tonight" just shows that you're not exactly optimistic to begin with.

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28 Oct 2014 22:25:50
Excellent turnaround at the end of today's game. And in this game i was most impressed by. wait for it. GLEN JOHNSON. He was unbeatable in his side, and had some excellent tackles. His side was rock solid.

Also all of the attackers deserve good words. Lambert was good as a target man, obtaining the ball and distributing. Borini was excellent and worked hard on both attack and defense. He also earned 2 yellow cards for opposition. He was on the limit of the fair play, but i guess that's because of trying so hard to prove himself. And Balotelli, well he did his job, what more can we expect in 15 minutes.
Midfielders: Coutinho looked like Messi of the both teams. However, i must admit sometimes his decisions were hardly understandable. Markovic had a couple of nice episodes, but mostly was hard to notice on the field.Its a pitty he missed his chance in the first half. It will be even harder for him now. Lallana was in too short to be noticed i guess. Henderson worked hard in defense, but did not contribute much in attack. Looked a bit tired. Lucas did his job as a DM.
Defense seems to still be an issue. Well Manquillo added a lot to attack, so right defense was a bit weaker, but that is probably expected. However, central defense was a way bigger issue, and this had nothing to do with CD splitting, as the ball was disposessed long time before the goal. The goal happened as Lovren completely lost his man. I can't blame him though, he fixed his mistake by scoring a winner. Toure has issues with his speed. A lot of times central defenders were saved by Johnson or Lucas, when they were outplayed in the centre.
Brad Jones had a good game, i would say. He showed his class when he saved Jonjo's free kick. During the goal he covered his angle and could not do anything else.
Overall, a nice display with (FINALLY) posession on our side. We were better side and deserved to win. There's still much to improve in all areas though.

Zaibys

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I was getting frustrated with Johnson continously passing backwards in the first 30 minutes, but he played well overall. I was furious with Lovren's lack of effort for their goal, but he took his goal well and the team defended well for the most part.

hsf

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I didn't want to say it after the Madrid game, and I didn't watch the game tonight, but I though Johnson has hit a better run of form. Maybe his best in the last 3 seasons. Just my opinion though.

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I agree about Johnson
He was solid at left back.
Seemed to be under orders not to venture too far forward and leave us exposed as he is prone to do.
I thought Manquillo showed great energy getting forward and is a good defender in tight situations but does get caught out of position at times.
Overall a good result which breeds confidence.

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GJ is much beter at LB because he actually focuses on DEFENDING which he did very well last night. Manquillo had a good game as well and is very smart because he doesn`t dive in and make rash tackles. He is solid and tidy on the ball globally. He does need to improve on his finall ball and on crosses.

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28 Oct 2014 22:07:41
A win's a win, but we do need to play better. It wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't great either.

Coutinho was again our best player. Borini had flashes, but he really needs to be more consistent. Balotelli took his goal well, but still had too much self-indulgence for my liking. That's part of who he is, I suppose. Hopefully this won't be a false start like Ludogorets and he'll score more regularly. Lucas had a good first half but was a bit quiet in the second. He still displayed why I want him in the team with a couple of neat forward passes which, whilst not defence splitting or overtly spectacular, our other midfielders just don't seem to spot. Hendo grafted well but he seemed to lack a bit of his usual quality on the ball. Lambert did well enough in the first half, but struggled to get involved in the second. Lovren was decent on the whole, but again there was an error, he seemed a bit a slow to react to Emnes run for the goal.

Markovic definitely has skill, but he seems overawed and nervous. He only used his pace to get at people once or twice and more often than not took the safe option. I'm worried about him, not because I think he's not got the ability, but I think he'll be a delicate player to handle in terms of game time over the next few months. As he's not really playing well atm, too much will probably erode his confidence, and likewise so will being dropped out of the first team completely.

Manquillo was just poor. He ran up and down the flank, but his delivery wasn't good enough and he was weak defensively. Flanno should easily displace him when he's fit again.

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You're saying a player who has had hardly any starts and very few sub appearances is lacking consistency? I wonder why that is.

S7 a S31 a S15

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29 Oct 2014 17:26:54
I meant he needs to be consistent over the 90 minutes. Apart from the last 5 minutes of the first half and the cross for the goal, he was peripheral.

- Something Red -

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Disagree, Something! IMO, Borini had his best game in a red shirt which is not saying so much because he`s barely played. But overall, he was combative, ran all day and provided a couple of shots at goal that went either wide or produced a save and of course the cross for Balo`s goal was inch perfect. He needs games to prove his worth and make his name. He is fearless and courageous as shown last season where he was perfect from the spot for Sunderland under severe pressure v Chelsea, Newcastle, Utd and a good goal v City (cup final) and the home game v Newcastle where he scored the winner w/ a devastating strike off the bench. Sunderland DON`T stay up w/o him. He needs a chance.

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28 Oct 2014 22:02:27
Today we weren't very good, in the end a goalkeeping howler gave us the game.

However, we weren't as bad as we have been recently, with lucas sheltering the back four we looked solid, although our backline is missing a leader, someone to communicate.

I thought Markovich was incredibly poor yet again, although there was a few glances of his pace evident.

PipCo was impressive, very lively, good dribbling but just dreadful shooting. Was on a different wavelength to everyone else in a red shirt unfortunately and it told as his frustration in his team mates was evident.

Borini did what borini does, run all over the place and be a nuisance to the oppositions back four, was unlucky with a few snapshots and put in a wonderful cross for balo's goal

Lambert was also poor, just doesn't look like a LFC player as much as i want it to go well for him, he just doesn't seem to have it.

I would start Balo, Borini, PipCo at the weekend

All in all, a decent result after going 1 down, not lighting any fires but an improvement on recent weeks.

JLPred

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28 Oct 2014 21:56:07
Lovern Balotelli and Borini oh boy how nice it is to see 3 players who needed to give something to the fans deliver well done lads now let's kick of

dezyboy2

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28 Oct 2014 21:45:58
Really happy for Mario, he's come under an unfair amount of criticism, yes he has been out of form, but he is working hard for us and it was actually a really good finish for his goal

Terrific cross by borini

Would like to see them both start on the weekend

JLPred

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28 Oct 2014 21:49:57
And he proceeds to fire three shots into orbit afterwards though.

Oh Mario, why always you?

- Something Red -

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28 Oct 2014 21:57:15
Glad to see Lovren and Balo get a goal, they both could use some confidence and if nothing else some people to get off their backs.

TjRed

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Agreed . He needs someone playing up along side him as he drops back far too deep . If he played off the shoulder of the defenders he would do well . The antics again with shelvey he has,to learn to just walk away

Johnaldinioh

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28 Oct 2014 22:05:16
"come under an unfair amount of criticism"

Thanks for proving me right in just one step, he scored the goal that sparked our come back, no player has a 100% error proof game

JLPred

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29 Oct 2014 00:03:10
@ JLP you're going too far the opposite way though in saying that my criticism is unjustified.

If he only did it tonight, I wouldn't have said anything, but he routinely takes on shots from silly positions, which frequently threaten low flying aircraft. So I don't think it at all unreasonable to remark on it.

Anyway, as I said in my main post up the board, hopefully this won't be a false start like his goal against Ludogorets.

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28 Oct 2014 21:34:06
Whats up with Jones? i see a few moans, I reckon he's been solid

The Guv

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It's his distribution of the ball, he has an uncanny knack of finding an opposition player every time he kicks the ball out

thecancan

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Agree Guv. Not many keepers would have got that goal if any!!

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You mean the ball the ball that was hit tamely about 12 yards away, that went right under his left arm?

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Hit Tamely!! You having a laugh. Just because you have your opinion on Jones. It does not make you right.

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Boba, I reckon you`ve never played footie because if you did, you would know that the pace of the game is faster in real life than on TV hence, Emnes` shot was in NO way tame.

redohio

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Ok red ohio go on thinking that

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I don`t think so. I KNOW SO.

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 21:25:30
And people wanted to ''take a punt on jones''

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28 Oct 2014 21:35:44
When people were clamoring for him to get a chance a few weeks ago, i spoke out about how poor he is and received so much stick

A player who is happy making 5 appearances a season maximum is not good enough to be playing

JLPred

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Give the guy a break, he's loyal to the club for sticking around with minimal appearances, has been through a lot and seems like a top bloke. One of those players who is great for team morale/spirit.

mk

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Christ he plays 1 game and you still give him stick fickle comes to mind.

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I give people stick for actually thinking Jones is in any way shape of form ''worth a punt on'' putting in the net

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So Pepe must no longer be good enough because he`ll b playing 5 games a season at Bayern.

redohio

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You've compared brad jones to pepe reina?

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NO. I made the comparison to highlight the clueless point u`re making.

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 20:55:08
lucas, borini, lambert impressing

kawabanga

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28 Oct 2014 21:07:54
Borini had two good shots in a 3 minute spell and was completely ineffective for the other 42 minutes. Lucas and Lambert have played fairly well, though.

- Something Red -

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Will BR change things around?

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28 Oct 2014 21:43:26
And Borini sets up an equaliser.

Hmmm, let's try something:

Borini's been really, really, terrible, he's definitely not going to contribute anything else.

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28 Oct 2014 20:17:20
I know it's only 15 minutes in but it winds me up so much that Rodgers has decided to change our winning quick exciting football to slow boring football that clearly doesn't work.

It's not even like we're tiring Swansea were just passing really slowly while not actually moving. It's so frustrating to watch I miss last season.

RedTwist

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Good performance so far . Great to see the moaners out in force again . Very impressed with borini . If only he could play in his natural position . And marcovic the lad looks like he could be a very special player just needs to get more confidence in himself which will come in time

Johnaldinioh

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28 Oct 2014 22:31:27
What the hell was you watching?

RedTwist

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I was watching a good team performance against a good Swansea side . How about you learn to support your team and not criticise them after 10 min of the game . Is really embarrassing for us fans to have people like you constantly slating the team even when they are doing well

Johnaldinioh

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Supporting a club come what may is becoming extinct, John.

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 20:07:15
Cannae believe Hendo didn't give Lambert that free kick. selfish haha

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Seriously?

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 20:05:35
Has anyone noticed that Markovic looks like Alberto Aquilani?

- Something Red -

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So true but IMO Aquilani was better, Markovic is totally useless.

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Markovic seems completely lost. I am sure confidence is huge issue, but he really looks clueless and lacking skill.

coop

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28 Oct 2014 21:56:38
He's 20. New league. Give him a break.

TjRed

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Best he has played for us, at least he is facing the goal!

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I think he's more of a young Roger Federer.

mk

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'Totally useless' lovely way to treat a 20year old lad, who's won 3 titles and had been in England for all of 10 weeks and has played about 3 games. Great supporter.

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Y2k3, I suggest you stop trashing the players because you will have NO credibility to stand on when you actually have something sensible to say which based on your pathetic comment about a 20yr old boy who`s still learning with LFC, is an event that is not ready to happen anytime soon.

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 19:56:12
You know you use this site too much when your out driving and see a number plate with EMS in and think about one of east midlands scousers posts. Lol

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! This is classic. I don't know who first coined the term 'EMS' but it seems to be my nickname on here lol.

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Better than some of Harry's nicknames mate haha

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28 Oct 2014 19:35:32
I'm really pleased with the team selection tonight and I think we will win comfortably. I've been saying we need to play Jones, Toure, Lucas and Lambert and I think they will be the difference tonight. I just hope Borini and Markovic will take their chance and show how good they can be.

Red Rum

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28 Oct 2014 19:16:50
BR stuck between a rock and a hard place his first team not playing well and his squad players don't seem to be able to raise their game when they get a chance.

Swansea are hungrey and will beat Liverpool at a stroll tonight, I fear for BR but do feel he's been found out by other managers

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28 Oct 2014 19:10:59
I take it that given Rodgers reputation we have probably seen the last off sakho in a Liverpool shirt?

And Johnson playing. He couldn't skin my granny. I can't remember the last time i seen him beat someone

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28 Oct 2014 19:22:48
Sakho is injured.

TjRed

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I didn't know whether to believe that or not. Seems like he hasn't had a looking since he walked out the ground

Ed02{Ed002's Note - He has been in France recovering.}

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28 Oct 2014 21:28:54
Jonno's been so defensive today that I actually wonder had BR intended the team to be a 352 / 532. He looks like he's playing left centre back.

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28 Oct 2014 22:24:29
To be honest. I'm not a fan, but I thought that's the best Johnson's played in a long time.

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28 Oct 2014 18:11:31
Is the game on the box tonight?

RedAllOverButNotSore

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28 Oct 2014 17:59:22
Majority here seem to think L'pool won't beat Swansea. Who do u see them beating?

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28 Oct 2014 17:38:31
Saido Berahino. Please tell me we are not being linked with players like this. We need world class footballers. Not average ones that have had a few good performances for their club. If this is the type of calibre of players we are recruiting then god help us.

TheOne

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Were Sturridge, Suarez, Hendo world class when signed ?

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Suarez was world class when we signed him.

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28 Oct 2014 19:25:42
Suarez was a good player; he was by no means world class. Sturridge and Hendo are still not "world class" but in regards to the modern use of the word, anyone who has a good season is world class.

Now, Berahino is very well thought of in England from what I read, and even was before this season. I think he is quite an impressive talent, and a strike force of Sturridge, Origi, and Berahino actually wouldn't be too bad now would it?

That's assuming that Borini has no future and Lambert stays as a backup.

TjRed

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BR made LS what he is today. If he was world class, we would NEVER have gotten him for 23m which is chump change for the player BR turned him into.

redohio

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28 Oct 2014 17:13:55
Lots of good common sense posts and comments on here today,
Lets look at this closely,
Transition, why?, why are we in transition again?, we run the champions close last year with a real good on the eye brand of football that surely only needed one or two replacements for outgoing players, in particular Suarez who is certainly in the worlds best 5 players, he said the squad was shy when to be honest if you look at the signings he's made that have barely had a chance or kicked a ball in anger that statement is actually a load of old tosh,
Weve signed players again this season that are in no way better then we already had to call on, for e.g is Markovic really any better than Ibe or Assaidi?, Is Lovren an improvement on Skrtel, Illori or Sakho?, Is Mignolet really an improvement on Reina?, what about Manquillo? Is he really any better than Wisdom?, Is Can any better than Shelvey?, yeah for sure we can all bleat on about these players perceived reputations as future world stars but you can say that about any player and not really be sure that they are going to make the grade, is Suso or Teixera a level below what we have now?, I don't know as they havnt really been given the chance have they?
Our system of play now features in the main one up front but then the manager constantly says we need more men in the box when attacking,
After 3 years and that much money its unreal why isn't the back four any better off?, lots of fans on here keep going on about the transfer committee and players who have signed that BR didn't want but who knows that for sure? surely he must take responsibility for the very little amount of success stories in his long back catalogue of transfers/failures?
To be fair its all very confusing, if you analyse last season as a whole we could have actually walked the league with some to spare if the manager hadnt been so gung ho at times when we needed calm and a cool head, some of the non action in games where we needed change and some of the late season naivety when trying to batter Chelsea when a 0-0 would have done are things that make you wonder if the man will ever change his stubborn streak and see the errors in his many strange decisions,
A never settled back four, players signed for ridiculous money and sent immediately on loan, a constant fall back of transition and rebuild, a refusal to acknowledge that we've actually been poor when everyone else can see it and the blindness to the fact that our fans are indeed knowledgeable and not prone to be spoonfed bull after the very disappointing end to all of Souness, Houllier, Rafa and Hodgson.
I for one would much rather a man hold his hands up and admit when we are poor and recognise that we need to try something new because dossiers, mystery envelopes and media classic sidesteps are NOT going to fool the faithful hordes,
Stop bleating on Brendan and show us last year wasnt a fluke as In agreement with one or two EDS on here I think the mans walking a tightrope with these owners given their track record in the states.
Heres hoping for at least a 150% performance tonight and a good result
P.S I've followed us since 1977 and have seen lots of things good and bad at our club, i'm now 41 and feel i'm more than invested in this club to have an opinion on its upkeep and the way it is run ;) you don't have to agree and a lot won't but that's my opinion for what its worth.
YNWA

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28 Oct 2014 16:56:02
hi does anyone know the best place to find a decent streaming of the match tonight ? when I have tried to do this in the past it has been an awful experience !!

red-army-andy

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Try football streaming info or wiziwig mate plenty of links on there. heres hoping for a win tonight to!

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Search coolsport on google. Then pirlotv

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28 Oct 2014 15:43:31
Note that when both Chelsea and Man City splashed the cash they won trophies
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This is true since the start of the PL, United position themselves well at the start of the 90s by buying experienced players that helped the progress of their golden generation. And did n't stop, in most seasons through out the Fergie 25 years, they were top spenders.

Blackburn, their first challenger, brought in an experienced manager and had to spend very big to get the pl title. Newcastle and Leeds spent big just to maintain a challenge and top 4, Arsene in his first couple of seasons spent big (for the time), and then we all know about Chelsea and City. And yes we were always up there in terms of spending.

Arsenal only stopped challenging for the title when they could n't compete financially with the likes of United/Chelsea and now city.
I know the our current owners spent what seems like a lot of money, but in comparison to the title contenders, its not enough. Ed002 tells me they expect title or challenge for it. Well If I was their advisor I'll ask them to look at the business they in and look at its history and learn from it. It clearly is not for them and my genuine good advise to them, is to sell, cut loses and go.

And before anyone mention last season, just take a minute to think about the circumstances and the factors involved, most of us with half a brain expected us to finish top 4 before the season even started.We got to second because Suarez had the form of his life and United shot themselves in the foot, Spurs and Chelsea massively under achieved.

Roy

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Agree with you Roy but all the same big money has been spent eg Carrol Lallana Henderson

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Agree with you Roy but big money has been spent eg Carrol 35 Henderson 20 Lovren 20 Lallana 25 when the likes of Rakitic and good players like him went for the same money at the same time

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I'm sure tactically those teams had better managers, and also didn't spend as foolishly.

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28 Oct 2014 16:10:47
"most of us with half a brain expected us to finish top 4 before the season even started"

Did we really?

I'm not sure about that mate.

daveybootle

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28 Oct 2014 16:53:23
Matas, Yes , I did say we were there amongst the big spenders Unfortunately ,
1- not enough , for title challenge its not enough, for our one 35m+ , look how many 30+ did Chelsea , City and United buy over the years. We are lucky and probably better equipped that we can turn 20m+ players like Torres and Suarez into world starts 50m+
2- Some of it is bad purchases. and for me this is the sticking point and again history tells me that its the owners who have more to learn than the manager, the money wasted on Carroll, Downing etc were not under Brendan's watch. then combine that with the money wasted on Aspas , Alberto, Borini etc , then this transfer window fiasco , tells me there is more than just blaming BR

Roy

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28 Oct 2014 17:06:48
I did say those of us with half a brain Davey. I remember getting abuse for posting in August about considering the changes to most clubs around us (all clubs in the top 7 changed managers except for us and Arsenal) its our best chance to get top 4, else questions should be asked of the manager and those involved.

Ed33 , will be nice if we can search for our posts over a time period , if at all possible.

Roy

Ed033{Ed033's Note - ok Roy, i'll see what i can do

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28 Oct 2014 15:32:54
If another club had lost the best strike force in the world last season through transfer and injury, would it's 'fans' be calling for the manager to be sacked so soon like so many on here are ?

Last season after we lost to Man City and Chelsea I was delighted. Of course I was sad over the result but in those performances I could see we had nothing to fear and could compete at that level, our game had raised to levels I hadn't seen in 20+ years. I looked at the fixture list, saw how we had played most of our difficult away games and I knew then that we would challenge for the title. I just wish I had posted my thoughts here.

Well, here is my prediction for this season. We will get better and better, we will get out of the group stages of the Champions league and we will finish in the top 3, pushing all the way and maybe even win it.

A lot on here will laugh at this. Why do I say it. because I expected the start to the season to be slow with the new arrivals, I expected Europe to be a learning curve and I expect the coaching team & players to respond, I also expected the re-education of Mario to take more than a handful of games. He's the wildcard, but if BR gets it right then what a card to play. If I'm right then this next month will show the performance lift.

YNWA

Fitzy

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28 Oct 2014 15:55:33
Lets say City sell Aguero and lose Dzeko to injury, or Utd sell Rooney and RVP to injury, or Chelsea sell Costa and Hazard to injury at the end of this season?

They then proceed to struggle in all competitions in 2015/16

You don't think fans of the respective clubs would be calling for their manager to be sacked?

JLPred

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Spot on mate.

They all want blood on here.

Don't agree with the Mario bit though, but we're entitled to opinions.

And before people start, the league is too inconsistent. Chelsea will have a blip eventually - you'll see.

DaveyBootle

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28 Oct 2014 16:52:15
DaveyBootle

When you start to hope for rivals to slip up is when you've lost hope in your own team

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28 Oct 2014 15:15:51
Judge a managers approach to giving young players a chance over a 3 to 5 year period. Not quarter of a season. Last season Flanagan and sterling were established in the first team by Rodgers, was he a coach not giving youth it's chance then ?. Flanagan when fit will be back in the starting 11 at right back soon. That will be 3 players from the academy in the first team. How does that compare with the other top 4 teams?

There will also be other young academy players coming in later in this season and next (next season Ibe, Teixeria etc), there has already been 2 debutants this season. All those using the term Brendaned etc. calm down. There is some serious panic going on on this site.

Fitzy

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Could he have given the likes of Ibe and Teixeira a chance this season though? I certainly think so.

The real AG

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So why has Ted bought Markovic, Lallana, Can and Manquilla?

Ozone

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28 Oct 2014 15:34:55
Flanno was only "given a chance" because nobody wanted him on loan at the start of the season and we didn't have much cover at full back

Playing them in the odd capital cup game and FA cup early rounds is not "giving youth a chance"

Being chucked into one game every two months doesn't allow the youngster to prove their worth, even a good showing in a cup game won't constitute to any more first team chances due to it almost always being against weaker opposition

JLPred

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28 Oct 2014 15:37:34
Also we bought Sterling from QPR

JLPred

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Emre Can played a German U21 game recently and bossed it. He was the outstanding player on the pitch by a mile. For the first team here he is a young talent that is finding his feet and hopefully will do very well for us.

The point is, for all those who think we have this amazing group of young players being held back, you can't possibly know that. The step up to first team is huge and some but not many will make it.

BR and LFC can't afford to just throw them all in and then after a season say, oops, most didn't make the level, we finished mid table, aw well. The great ones get in the team, the very good ones get experience on loan and may make the team in the future if they show they can be great, the good ones play for Everton.

Fitzy

Ed01{Ed001's Note - the great ones? The great ones like Teixeira, who comes in as a sub, plays really well, then is never seen of again near the first team picture? Or do you consider a few runs out in cups counting as getting in the team? Because that is all Rossiter has to look forward to. None will make it without being given a chance in the first place, which is what is happening now.}

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JLPred.
Your point above is based only on what you see. What you don't see is the young players getting a chance every day on the training ground, and then yes in the cup games. They are at LFC playing in front of the manager 4 or 5 days a week. I hope they are more positive and up for it than most fans on here or they'll never force they're way into the team. yes I said force, anyone who's played team sports knows that you have to force the manager to pick you, leave him no choice, you do it every day.

Fitzy

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I think we have lost our way a little bit with bringing young players through.
I do understand that its hard to give every young player with promise a chance in the first team, that is why I think using the loan system does have its benefits.
I just do not agree with some of the decisions concerning our loan players this season.
For a business model which is trying to streamline the club and cut unnecessary costs and increase revenue then some of the decisions made so far have been questionable.
We have a right back on loan at West Brom who is no worse than Manquillo in Andre Wisdom.
It makes no sense to bring a player in over a young player who is already here and is ready for first team football, not even to mention the wages which are a waste of money.
Again we have another player, Jordan Ibe, on loan at Derby.
Now Markovic may well turn out to be brilliant, and I hope this is the case but it makes no sense to spend 20 million on a position where we already have promising young players.
Suso is another player who has never done anything wrong when playing for us. i'd say he is actually a fans favourite and I think he has lots of talent but instead of trying him out we brought in Alberto, promoted Texaira (spelling) and farmed him out on loan! Wasting money again.
He scored in the league cup, played well and has not been seen since. Why?
Then there are the centre halves!
We look as though we have spent 40 million on 2 centre halves who both happen to want to play on the left side of the two (Sahko and Lovren)!
That is bad scouting and another waste of money.
The decision to bring in about 10 players this season was wrong.
We needed to evaluate the young players who had a chance of coming through this season, That would be Ibe, Suso, Wisdom and Llori for me this year.
4 good young players, and in 3 of their positions we have signed players! WHY? More Waste.
We should be concentrating on having the best youth system in the country, producing our own talent, selling for big money and then as soon as we sell a player we should turn to the reserves and say "your next".
How hard is that to achieve?

jonnybarnes89-90

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Perhaps BR is trying to protect our young stars from the abuse the likes of Lucas and Henderson received from our own supporters when at 20 years old they didn't live up to their expectations? I don't see the problem with loaning out our young players so that they get regular football to aid their development. The puzzling bit is why we buy other young players with "potential" as their replacements rather than proven experienced players who would offer an instant improvement to our 1st team.

NRed

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Ed001, BR said last season that that the youngsters (from the academy) would get their chance/opportunity to play in the first team this season. It's not happening, and yet BR brought other youngsters from abroad, who don't have EPL experience and putting them in the first team such as Markovich, Can etc. what's happened behind closed doors that has made BR go against what he said? It's demoralising to see the youngsters not being given that chance. I thought we were building for the future! now, I really don't know what BR is building at the moment.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - nothing has happened, he just doesn't have the balls to give them a chance.}

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28 Oct 2014 14:25:25
Ed2 I know we are being investigated for FFP but why would you spend that money in the first place? Surely that's not just Rodgers fault but the money men who spend that money? Sorry in advance if I am wrong.

Mighty reds

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The bottom line is Rodgers is the manager and has a large say in transfers.}

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Fair enough cheers.

Mighty reds

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28 Oct 2014 13:51:35
Just a quick one. Any streets (non permit ones), car parks, tescos car parks sort of places within walking distance of the ground? First game of the season, up from oxfordshire, 2 and a half hour drive up, don't really want to spend time finding somewhere to park, without having to get shafted paying £20 and being stuck in a car park by the ground. Cheers in advance.

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Hiya mate.

I always park at the Asda on Utting Avenue, it's a good 20 mins walk but there's a decent chippy on the way!

Enjoy.

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28 Oct 2014 14:43:04
The streets off the south side of Westminster Road are largely non permit and about a 15 minute walk to the ground

shaz

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Just by the power league on whittle street, there's a gavel/grass area that fits about 150 cars the council doesn't seem to care, no payment necessary

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Last time I went we parked under a traffic light on the main road into the ground and got away with it already 10mins late to the game after heavy snows made a 2 hour journey 4 hour

not one of harrys

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28 Oct 2014 14:02:02
Eds reds i'm reading a lot of posts regarding the spending during the summer. I agree the squad needed thicken up, but the money spent could and should have done more. It may be a bit old hat, but to strentghen the core of your team should be the prioraty. Look at chelsea, couthuoi off loan, matic(january) fabregas and costa. The core is so strong. We should, in all the months we knew it was going to happen, had a suitable replacement for suarez, you can't find someone as good as him but someone who suits out style of play and the best availale. A strong, top midfielder, top keeper and with a left back added we wouldve been there. In my opinion, and its only an opinion, moreno is more than good enough but the rest, with the exception of lallana, don't compare, and did we reallyneed him? i'm sure we couldve spent more on the'core' and less on the squad players, or even kept some of the players we shipped out, kelly, wisdom etc. I just hope this season can follow last season and the second half is far better than the first. We are going tonight heres hoping!!, .

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28 Oct 2014 11:57:16
Good Day fellow Eds and Reds,

Just to break the monotony of the current BR debate;

Ed001; how did your meeting with the infamous "man with a thousand aliases" Harry go?

Cheers in advance

Peace Out

YNWA
JFT96

RedSanity

Ed01{Ed001's Note - hasn't happened yet.}

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November 2nd seems to be the date

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I thought it would be Halloween. for Ed anyway! ;o)

Hoola

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28 Oct 2014 12:09:46
Hi guys. I was just thinking. In 2011 or 2012, Chelsea looked like they were running away with the league during the first 15 games. Then they suddenly capitulated and dropped all the way down to 5th and stayed there.

Not saying this will happen again, but it just shows that Football results aren't always set in stone. I believe they had Carlo Ancelotti as manager then when it happened.

hsf

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28 Oct 2014 12:45:58
No quite hsf, I think this is the AVB season, they did n't start well , I think they were 5th by October and finished 6th. But you can argue that they won the FA and CL in that same season. As soon as they sacked their manager, their season turned for the better .

Roy

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28 Oct 2014 11:46:34
For me we have to play Lambert and Balotelli in order to develop an understanding and build confidence because in front of goal they look pretty blunt right now.

I'd love to see Markovic take Sterling's position at the top of the diamond, instead of out wide. Get him on the ball more and use his pace for those driving runs at the defence. Think it'll help him being able to go either way instead of predictably cutting in from the flanks.

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Balotelli does not want to put in the effort - something many were worried about when he signed. Who he plays with is not going to make much difference because he doesn't have the will power to change his style of play or his attitude. Lambert is the opposite - a fantastic attitude but, in terms of ability (and particularly our style of play) not up to par. We've bought badly and the lack of a world class forward line is demonstrating this. The best we can do is get rid of Balotelli, cut our losses, and either sign someone in January or promote some youth players who might at least put in a shift.

Seano

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28 Oct 2014 14:01:36
Another fan who clearly doesn't watch balotelli play and just sees his name on the shirt. Balotellis work rate has actually impressed me since he came, at least defensively. He could do some things better in terms of making runs. But just because he has struggled to score it doesn't mean he isn't trying hard.

TjRed

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28 Oct 2014 14:06:43
I'm desperate for Yesil to get another chance, now he's fully fit after Cruciate ligament injuries I don't see why not.

JLPred

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28 Oct 2014 11:45:18
I really really don't want brendan rodgers to get sacked, but at the moment i honeslty think that's where we are heading.

I know he is a talented manager but his shortcomings are being visciously exposed and he seems absolutely defiant he is right and is refusing to take responsibility for what is happening.

I can only assume there has been something going on in his personal life or his ego has just plainly gone to his head, but how can anyone not see that what he is doing needs to change and improvements must be made.

Firstly, the 433 is not working, never has worked for us under him and never will. We play with two up front, whenever we do we play much better, as shown by the last 25 minutes at the weekend. Why would you change the system that has seen us destroy teams for 18 months, to the system that couldn't get us out of the bottom half of the table for his first 6 months? And why would you not change it when ten games in we have been below par in every single game we have played? This insistence hs is right when he clearly isn't will get him sacked and cost us results.

Secondly, the defending. Our defending hasn't improved for a year, and as manager its his job to improve that. Yet every game we defend poorly and still nothing changes week in week
In week out. Its a disgrace he cannot get these players to at least have some cohesion on the pitch. What on earth do they do all week?! It doesn't just stop at the defence either, because the shortcomings of players like balotelli and markovic are repeated every game, when he can easily improve them on the training field as he has done with so many members of our squad.

This leads on to my third point, that being the balotelli situation. He is woefully out of form and whether rodgers bought him or the board did its his job to use him effectively and take him out the team if needs be. He is breaking up all of our play and genuinly seems useless in every department, which like i said should be dealt with on the training field. This nonsense about it being his style of play and him being unlucky is absurd, if he had half the sharpness or desire as sturridge to latch on to passes we would be up there with chelsea right now. That said, it is either brendans choice to coach him to be better, which he doesn't seem to be doing, play another striker with him, which he refuses to do, or play either borini or lambert instead, which he doesn't do and is a disgrace to the hard working nature of those players. He continues putting him up front on his own every game and uses him as a scapegoat. Which leads me on to my next point.

Fourth, the excuses. If i hear the terms 'transition', 'unlucky', 'we showed great character' etc used again, i will flip. He uses the same terms again and again to try and justify him not improving our performances. He continues to criticise the defending yet does nothing about it, continues to blight our forward play yet doesn't change it. You are the manager brendan and it is your job to change these things.

Finally, the transfers and handling of players. The treatment of lambert, the refusal to drop balotelli, the over reliance on sterling, the refusal to play suso or any other hard working players, the pointless buys such as assaidi, the brendaning of academy players and even his own signings, it needs to stop. Cohesion must be developed between the board and rodgers and rodgers needss to stop treating these players like crap when they clearly have talent and are comitted.

Rant over, but basically that is a list of reasons which i believed brendan rodgers could possibly be sacked, or things he is doing wrong. I wouldn't mind if he was trying to improve, but i don't see that. I see a man with an ego who believes he is right and cannot be bothered to fix the faults in his methods. For that reason, i don't expect anything to get better until he accepts defeat and learns humility and responsibility for our mess at the moment.

Anonymous Woolback

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Absolutely spot on

Harvo

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I could not put it better! i have pointed out most of the points you make and i am in total agreement, well said, the only problem is Rodgers does not read this helpful information, if he did things might improve, i don't want to see him go but unless he changes he will be sacked.

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ANONYMOUS WOOLBACK, you are spot- on, this attacking PHILOSOPHY which BR has instilled is floored because there's no defensive strategy to it, as you say he keeps having a go at the defence but does nothing about it, the rut were in at the moment you would think if we're struggling for goals then why doesn't he make the defence compact and tight and get a few draws instead of leaving them wide open.

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28 Oct 2014 11:28:24
My main problem with Brendan at the moment is that he's managing to alienate so many of our players and making them feel unwanted including many if our youth players whose prospects have no doubt dropped after this summer's signing spree. Many good players like Suso, Sakho, Ilori and so on will no doubt soon want to take their talents else where. Also I understand that we needed players in the summer but why not sign experienced players at their peak who are mentally capable of handling pressure rather than promising youth. We are over flowing with promising youth from our academy so why not sign experienced players who can contribute right away and not block the emergance of our own youth players. A perfect example is Markovic'. Fir the money we got him for we could easily have signed a Lavezzi our maybe even Pedro who'll have immediate impact and arty the same time not block the path if players like Ibe and Wilson. No doubt Markovic is an outstanding talent who may become one if the best in the world but he wasn't what we needed. Haven't even mentioned the defence yet BTW

DPK14

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28 Oct 2014 11:50:27
Suso, Sakho, Ilori, Wisdom, Borini, Yesil, Lucas, Balotelli, maybe even Lambert, not to mention all the youngsters will all leave by the end of summer 2015

Which means even next season there will be another transitional period with a new squad.

For me (I've never been impressed with BR and even last season problems were evident) the outcome i'd like to see is BR gone, Klopp to come in and the slate wiped clean for every player in the squad.

JLPred

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Enrique, Johnson, Toure, Suso, Assaidi, and Coates are all out of contract in the summer and will leave as none of them are wanted by the manager (except Suso who has decided not be bullied).

Wisdom, Borini, Ilori, Alberto, Aspas, Lucas and maybe Sakho will all likely leave as well as the managers doesn't rate them.

Right now, Balotelli and Mignolet are under intense scrutiny and if they don't adjust and improve, there has to be a chance that they will be sold too. Manquilio's situation is unclear; Atletico can take him back by paying LFC a small fee in the summer. There has to be a good chance of that as Juanfran is finally looking a little spend and Manquilio has had decent chance of game time at LFC.

I understand a lot of the above is based on current situation now, but if they were to happen, that would leave a squad of:

Jones, Flanagan, Moreno, Lovren, Skrtel, Gerrard (who is also out of contract, but should be offered one), Henderson, Allen, Can, maybe Teixeira, Coutinho, Markovic, Lallana, Sterling, Lambert, Origi.

A squad of 17. We had a bigger squad in 2013-14 season when we finished 2nd, a season in which the manager was adamant we had a small squad. If things don't change, it is very likely that another host of players will need to be bought in. Transition again?

The real AG

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28 Oct 2014 12:44:18
i even forgot the likes of Assaidi, Aspas, Alberto and Teixera all to be dumped

Another 10 players to leave in Summer 2015

Which means another 10 players to come in Summer 2015

JLPred

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AG, Enrique, Coates and Assaidi all have contracts with LFC that run until midnight on 30 June 2016 . so you were half right .

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I think there a lot of nonsense being spoken about players wanting to leave, or being 'forced out'. The loans system is being used by the top clubs to get young players experience and game time more and more or to give players a chance to impress when things haven't gone well for them at the club and they can't be given game time, or to remove or share the cost of high wage players that the club/manager can't afford / no longer want.

Most of the young players on loan are being given the chance to get experience before coming back into the squad, especially the defenders

Fitzy

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Ritter, thanks for the spot. But you have to say, Coates and Assaidi definitely won't be part of the first team squad next season. If Enrique stays, it will be as a squad player I would think.

The real AG

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Ilori, Wisdom, Rafa Paez and Coates are the players out on loan.

Coates doesn't have any sort of future at LFC, that much is very clear. Ilori wiould have had enough by now, after being shunted out on loan fro 2 years and not even getting a minute of football in the short time he was at LFC. Paez will not be making it at LFC (being pragmatic), and Wisdom, like Ilori will leave in the summer as LFC have decided Flanagan, Johnson and Manquilio are all better than him. Kelly when he was at LFC, was also preferred over Wisdom.

LFC have McLaughlin Randall coming through the youth ranks and certainly, McLaughlin is as ready as he ever will be for first team football, now. So, clearly, Wisdom too is on the periphery and not wanted. So, no nonsense at all. Also, when was the last time LFC had players out on loan coming back into the squad and being given a go?

The real AG

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Totally agree the real AG. Every window we get the players going out on loan to get experience but none of these seem to every be given a chance and big money is spent to replace them with equally unproven "prospects" or "talents"

DPK14

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28 Oct 2014 18:47:50
JLPRed,

Can I ask why you want Klopp to come in? More to the point why you think he'll be so much better than Rodgers?

Dortmund have been very very poor so far this season and have lost 5 games already and are in the relegation zone.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE KLOPP A BAD MANAGER.

The point I'm trying to make is condemning Rodgers for a poor start to the season seems unfair when you don't do the same to Klopp. The same applies to the questionable signings both Rodgers and Klopp made this summer.

Puzzled Red

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I think Klopp has taken the club as far as he can and won`t b surprised if he left.

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28 Oct 2014 10:17:30
BR stressed the reason he speard the 125 milllion across 9 players was because we needed squad depth.

Today's match is the perfect opportunity to test that squad depth and it will be interesting to see if he starts the many squad players (Lambert, Markovic etc) and if we manage to get a win

I would definitely expect Sterling, balotelli and Gerrard to not be involved and lambert borini, suso, lucas, markovic and couthino to start,

Although if we are in a good position maybe we can bring on balotelli to see if he can get a goal and some confidence

PakRed

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I want Borini and Lambert to start together, with Balotelli coming on later on if we need to change things up.

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28 Oct 2014 11:27:05
I'd stick with Balo, it'd do him a world of good to get a goal, but i would put Borini with him

suso is injured until new year.

But other than that yes i expect all the new signings to play

JLPred

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Guys we're playing Swansea, I don't see us winning this one too easily if at all so not sure of some of your comments.
Don't get me wrong I'd like to see us use this game to change tactics and players and see if we can find a way of playing that will bring us better results in League and UCL. If it means dropping some heroes then so be it, we need to change quickly and I would sacrifice this game to try and find that new formation, team etc because what BR is currently doing in the league and UCL sure as he'll isn't working.
Just my thoughts.

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I guess u must have been disappointed when u found out we won. I will never quit on my club NO MATTER WHAT. Tactics? BS! We needed a win regardless of how we go it because our confidence is shot and we got it. Thinking we would lose is just pathetic.

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28 Oct 2014 09:21:59
BR came into the club and took half a season to get the players playing the way he wanted them to play. Last season with a small squad they pushed all the way for the title and Exceeded the targets set at the start of the season by not only finishing in the top 4 but by challenging.

We all knew that with Champions League this season the squad would have to grow substantially and quickly to compete on 4 fronts. We also all agreed that the new players would need a bedding in period and the manager would be learning in his first season of managing a title challenge and Europe. So I don't understand all this calling for the Managers head, it's the wrong attitude.

I don't agree with Ed01 that Rodgers is running out of time. FSG are not stupid, they are looking at this as a season to finish in the top 4, get out of the group stages of the Champions League and BR to get the squad humming again by mid season. It is a big step up this season and right now we are struggling but BR is one of the best coaches on the training ground and I believe he will get it right. FSG know we are still competing with clubs that can sign players that still won't come to Liverpool if given the option eg: Sanchez, Costa, Willian (don't get me started on people posting we should have signed Alonso or Fabregas, ya right, as if it was an option). These clubs don't lose their star players, they simply add to them.

It's not easy but keep the faith. The last half hour against Hull started to show a bit of last seasons approach.

Fitzy

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You have an extremely naïve, and wrong, view of what the owners expect.}

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Small squad last season? Not really.

Kelly, Agger, Cissokho, Coates, Ilori, Moses, Teixeira, Aspas, Suarez, Ibe all out

Manquilio, Lovren, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Suso, Balotelli, Borini, Lambert and Markovic in.

So, really, it was not a small squad as BR bleats about continuously. It is also worth mentioning that he could have chose to kept Suso and Borini last season if he wanted too, but decided not to last season.

A lot of the players he bought in 2 summers ago were his signings and all of them were signed after BR gave the go-ahead as the final decision rests with him.

So, the small squad excuse is just a poor one.

The real AG

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I don't think Fitzy's view is wrong or naive if he says the expectations for this season is in the following order of priority:
1. top four
2. Knock out round cl
3. A trophy

Do the onwners expect a title this season with Suarez gone? he haven't spent 125 to keep it in context we've spent 40-50 million net

Agreed BR may have gotten some transfers wrong but let's give the players who now wear the Liverpool shirt a chance

PakRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - The owners have put enormous amounts of money in to the club and have taken on significant debt. There have been here for a number of years and the expectations are success. Why do you find this so difficult to understand?}

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To the owners continuous cl campaigns is the first measure of success, its a business ed and if you think differently then perhaps you are naive

Obviously trophies are also something they want but cl is priority. Havent you heard John Henry praising Arsenal during the first year of his takeover? how many trophies and titles for arsenal in the past then?

PakRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - You have zero idea about this and what has it to do with Arsenal - a club far more financially successful that is worth way more than Liverpool?}

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Fitzy, you talk a lot of sense mate. You've got to hope that FSG realise that the best way of getting a return on what they have invested is by giving time to Rodgers, who I believe will have us challenging again pretty soon.

Walton Red

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Why do you keep saying i have zero knowledge? i'm simply saying that the priority target is top four which brings money and which will be considered success by the owners

The owners like arsenals model and would like us to do the same i.e cl each year but not bothered about 1 trophy in ten years.

What am i not getting? what are the owners expectations then?

PakRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Everything you are saying is complete bollocks. Is that clearer for you.}

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28 Oct 2014 12:14:26
Ed002's Note - The owners have put enormous amounts of money in to the club and have taken on significant debt. There have been here for a number of years and the expectations are success. Why do you find this so difficult to understand
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Ed002, this is a question, not an argument, Do you know what the owners expectations for this season (I know they won't the club to win every competition), but do you know their realistic targets and what do they consider as a minimum ? I assumed the suggested 1. top four
2. Knock out round cl
3. A trophy

is ambitious but achievable, you seem to suggest they want much more ? And please I am a simple person with many issues that makes it hard for me to understand and absorb information easily, so can you please please explain it to me as if I was a 4 year old

Roy

Ed02{Ed002's Note - They want success and have been promised either winning the league or making a significant challenge and a challenge for the Champions League. They will have no interest in all of this childish targets of top four etc.. That would be the absolute minimum. They have spent vast sums on transfers in recent years and have repeatedly flaunted the FFP regulations. This year they are under investigation already for the FFP regulations in respect of wages and other spending - enough to certainly have the winnings from the group stage withheld. The owners are looking to sell individual stand naming rights now - and will continue to look to sell the stadium naming rights. You and the previous poster are the reason we try to avoid discussion of money - not because of your age but because you are simply not bright enough to take any of it in.}

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Haha ok ed, i think i get it now

PakRed

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28 Oct 2014 12:47:10
PakRed

The owners expect us to be winning the PL and challenging the CL.

Quite rightly too after spending over £100m on a team that just finished 2nd and should have came 1st

We only lost one first team player in Suarez and we didn't get even close to replacing him

JLPred

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Do you guys not remember what the city owners paid and still pay for players in wages and transfer fee and how chelsea went about ten years ago?
BR has not nearly spent those sort of amounts so i would think it would be unreasonable to ask any manager to win the league with the sort of cash splashing

I will remind you again this season a net 50 was spent by liverpool and 70 odd by city in a season considered where they haven't spent much

PakRed

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28 Oct 2014 13:34:35
Thank you very muchy Ed002, I am one of your average audience on this site (and I mean fans and eds combined) and very humbly understood . You certainly have explained it to me very clearly just like my nursery teacher do.

I can only say whoever promised the owners "winning the league" will soon be sitting on the naughty step for a very long time.

Roy

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Well if that's what the owners expect after listening to Teds spin and subsequently releasing circa £35 mill net on predominantly gilt edged punts who offer nothing more than what we had/ have in the youth system (Markovic/ Ibe, Lallana/ Suso/ Texiera, Manquilla/ Wisdom/ Kelly, Lovren/ Agger/ wisdom/ Ilori, Can/ Shelvey), then they deserve everything they get.

The sooner they release that LFC's not a stock, footballs not Wall Street and Teds not the 'wolf of wall street' the better, spin gets you nowhere in football, it might generate an artificial price on the stock exchange but it yields zero in football.

Unfortunately for them they've come from a world founded on 'bulls. t' and Ted delivered at interview pressing all the buttons with his ridiculous dossier. I have no sympathy for venture capitalists endeavouring to exploit sport, in fact I have no sympathy for venture capitalists period. If they choose to invest in something they know nothing of then that's their lookout but to expect ultimate success by paying comparably poor salaries on perceived potential with resale value so as to effectively hedge their investment whilst being fully aware of the type of salary a top top footballer commands (Suarez revised contract when they had to sacrifice paying him top money to change the buyout clause, an extra £50k a week for 5 months in order to effectively double the buyout clause and secure an extra £35 mill) is nothing more than an out and out cheek.

Ozone

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Suarez' new contract payments did not kick in to September 1 so he was gone by then.

However, the thing is that football at the highest level is big business like it or not. We have been through this before and I appreciate you don't like it, but that is how it will be. Perhaps in 2017 circumstances will be such that the owners will make a decision about the way forward - stick or sell.}

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28 Oct 2014 14:14:41
PakRed

Note that when both Chelsea and Man City splashed the cash they won trophies

We have splashed a hell of a lot of cash and are much further away from winning anything than we were before we did

JLPred

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Rodgers is daft for promising such things but then again we all know that he talks bull. We have been told often enough, but what is Fsg's excuse. We are miles away from a title push. We sold our one and only world class player. Despite his baggage!

The Irish Rover

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28 Oct 2014 15:41:39
No Ed002, i think you're wrong on this. To sack BR before the end of the season would be a stupid business decision. Top 4 and he's safe. John Henry doesn't do stupid.

I guess the great thing on this one is over the season we will see who is right.

Fitzy

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Where did I say sack BR before the end of the season or anywhere else for that matter. So putting aside your first stupid and erroneous statement - why not share your knowledge of Mr Henry and how he has dealt with failure? Look to the Red Sox - or look to Liverpool. You clearly are unable to read and have no knowledge about the owner of the club. Again, all rather embarrassing.}

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28 Oct 2014 15:41:58
Ed002, that makes the Suarez debacle even cuter from the owners perspective. They new he was gone in December. A. Paperwork shuffle with an empty promise and hey presto another £35 mill in the coffers.

Ozone

Ed02{Ed002's Note - They knew he was gone. The new deal could not have come in place before his exit was confirmed.}

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And they only had from December till end of August to get that Suarez rep lament, well done transfer committee and BR.

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28 Oct 2014 08:47:08
For anyone to call for the managers head is simply blertish.

You're a disgrace, the lot of you.

You'll all be patting backs in a few weeks when things start going our way.

The manager has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so, but he'll learn, and he'll learn at our club.

DaveyBootle

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I did not realize we are all sheep in yours eyes. maybe as we all feel part of the club we have the right to voice our views on the good and the bad. ps. i am not calling for BR 's head. just certain issues do need addressing

evolution

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I am not calling for the manager's head too, not yet anyway.

The real AG

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Well Said Davey, the lack of support by some posters recently on here is shocking. Calling for the managers head at this stage of the season is a joke, and I feel nowhere near representative of the majority of true fans.

Certain posters have had their issues with Rodgers and FSG since day one, fair enough, I disagree, but at least they're consistent. The rest just seem to be spitting their dummies out.

Walton Red

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28 Oct 2014 12:23:43
The manager has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so, but he'll learn, and he'll learn at our club.
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This is a bit worrying Davey, do you think our club can afford to carry a manager that will continue to make mistakes , for how long ?? What is most important to you, blind loyalty to the manager or LFC ??
By the way , I do think calling for the managers sacking is premature, but I will have no sympathy for him if come end of season and we are outside top 4. Then I think he needs to go.

Roy

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Liverpool should bring in a defensive coach Caragher would be ideal and a respected coach and a new defensive midfielder and you would have a great squad

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28 Oct 2014 08:45:29
Hey Eds, I wanted to discuss and get your views on Andre Wisdom. I haven't seen much of him to be honest a couple of games this year and when he played for us couple of seasons ago.

However i really like him from what i have seen so far. Do you think with his ability and potential that he can be a regular or atleast part of the squad next year? it is to be noted that johnson will be gone but we'll still have flanno and manquilo

PakRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I suspect that under BR he has no Liverpool future unfortunately.}

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I would assume BR has some plan for him as he has been loaned out and not sold, but i get what you are saying.

Do you rate him though? he's currently cutting it in the premier league

PakRed

Ed02{Ed002's Note - I don't "rate" players.}

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IMO, he will leave next summer.

The real AG

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Which is a pity. He is one of the few i believe could do a decent job as a back up.

The Irish Rover

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28 Oct 2014 07:21:31
I note the uk met office has unveiled a new 'super computer' apparently the fastest in the world to aid in predicting weather changes and trends.

I Wonder if it's powerful enough to monitor and track the mood swings and arguments of the average Liverpool fan on here? I doubt it. .

Marshy   Marshy
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28 Oct 2014 08:08:02
Like any super computer is that powerful

hjikle

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28 Oct 2014 02:41:39
Hi eds,

If BR got sacked at the end of the season, what's the chance of getting Simeone, Koemann or De Beor?

I think they would be managers that would somewhat suit our philosophy well.

What do you think Eds? Also, who out of these has the best coaching team (staffs)

Cheers,

knightza

Ed01{Ed001's Note - unlikely to get Simeone or Koeman as things stand. De Boer has turned down the chance to be interviewed for the job once already, so it is probably unlikely. As for the coaching staff question that is impossible to answer.}

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So ed001 thinks BR should go judging by recent posts. What about the other eds? We only hear from 001 and occasionally 002, let's have the views. Personally I'm disappointed by ed001's views and feel this site is very negative at the moment

daniellambretta74

Ed02{Ed002's Note - Ed001 was answering a question about who might be manager if Rodgers were to leave. He doesn't write the questions. And I rather think people hear from me rather more often than "occasionally". The other Editors will likely have no opinion on the subject.}

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28 Oct 2014 06:25:03
Apologies Ed002 I meant in relation to this question. Reading back you do seem to comment on the managers position regular as well but it is interesting that both you and ed001 are putting forward (all be it as responses to questions) potential replacements for BR. Do u both honestly feel he should be replaced ?

daniellambretta74

Ed01{Ed001's Note - I am of the opinion that he is running out of time.}

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Ed001 didn't De Boer say sometime in last December that he is 'ready' to take over if liverpool or Tottenham offered him the job? (I'm sorry I don't remember the exact words)

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Ed001 didn't De Boer say sometime in last December that he is 'ready' to take over if liverpool or Tottenham offered him the job? (I'm sorry I don't remember the exact words)

Ed01{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}

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Ed001 you know I don't agree with your view on replacing BR, but do value your opinion. I personally think we need to not lower our expectations but jut allow more time for out manager to build a team to compete for the long term. I say this as the managers job at Liverpool is fast becoming a poison chalice, one which very few decent managers will entertain. FSG have backed BR financially all be it mainly through sales but as a club we cannot compete financially with Chelsea, City, Utd or Arsenal yet some on here think we have a God given right, because we are Liverpool, to compete with and beat our main rivals on the pitch. I agree that we have started poorly and BR is making mistakes, surely we must play 2 up front, but I think we need to look long term and build slowly if we are ever going to again compete at the very top on a regular basis.

NRed

Ed01{Ed001's Note - but he is not building anything. He is not using the young players we should be building on, they are either being sold or farmed out on loan, while he brings in equally inexperienced youngsters to take their place. He has no clue about building a team, he just wants to buy buy buy his way to success. Like you say, we can't afford to do that.}

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De Boer is rated in Holland, but sacking BR is not the answer let's wait for sturridge to return we will have another outlook.
And maybe add a top cb in january would help.
If BR would get the sack his staff will follow, any new coach will want to bring in his trusties.

vlr

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This is so unfair Ed001! When you say someting 'controversial', people "value/accept/consider" your opinion, yet when me and many others express our concerns regarding what the hell Brendan is doing, we're fickle/rubbish fans/knee jerks!

I personally really hope Rodgers accepts some help because I think he has potential. I just don't think he is ready yet and his stubborness is destroying our team. Like you say, he is farming out youngsters from our accademy and replacing them with more youngsters who in my opinion, are not always better than what we sold!

I personally just think Rodgers needs to focus more on the job he is blessed with and put down his dolly bird for 5 seconds. Up till the early morning thinking about tactics? What tactics were those then Brendan? Can you tell me the positions you considered? What implications they would have on stamina? How deep did you go? Did you consider ways to get in behind?

You're a bloke in his 40's managing one of the best clubs in England, and yet you're more focused on how tight your missus is than how tight our defence is!

Ed01{Ed001's Note - bit harsh on him for having a love life that mate! Different when he was having an affair behind his bird's back as that takes up time, time that he shouldn't have spare when managing a club the size of Liverpool. But having a love life is hardly something to castigate him for.}

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We have more defenders than you can shake a stick at. you want another cb? let's give BR more money to spend

evolution

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Yeah bit harsh EMS but loved the post all the same haha

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It was a bit of a joke Ed haha. I suppose I can let him have a bit of a personal life. 25 minutes a day seems fair, would you agree?

Ed01{Ed001's Note - only if it is the last 25min just before he sleeps. And not every day. As some days they have to be away, so he will have to miss out those days.}

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