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16 Dec 2017 23:38:46
Fans talking about fourth. We should be talking about challenging for the league. I've held my tongue through out and will keep it that way until the very end of the season with my views especially regarding klopp.
What I will say though is that we are worlds away from city. "we're only two central defenders and a keeper away". Good luck finding two quality centre backs in Europe and then hoping they settle and perform. Everything's clicked for city and they have the personnel and a fantastic manager.
BTW Van dijk has been a blessing in disguise and hopefully it keeps that way. That being he remains a Southampton player.

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17 Dec 2017 01:23:42
No one is challenging for the league it’s only one team. City also have a load more money than us and have had for years. So have Utd and Chelsea do if you think we should all of a sudden be better than last seasons champions and Utd then I think that’s abit delusional tbh. If we can finish top 4 again and have a good run in both cups we’re still in. Get keita in. Keep salah.

Hopefully a cb and then we’ll see. I think top 4 again this season is massive. Shows consistency we’ve been lacking. I think Klopp is building something here. Couple more pieces and we’ll be v competitive next season. Thinking that we should be on this city teams level right now is crazy.

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17 Dec 2017 01:27:07
Oh and joe Gomez will be a top centre back I reckon so we need one. Give Karius or Ward the rest of the season if not good enough get a keeper. And another Lucas to protect the back four. And let the boys fly forward.

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17 Dec 2017 01:15:41
To be fair Big Al everyone else in the premier league is a worlds aparts from city . as you said everything clicked for them and yes in big part its to do with the money they spend but also big credit due to their manager . the way he transformed the likes of Stones, Sterling and even Delph, we all knew Bruyne was a good player but working with Pep he just gone to another level, some of the passes today were Messi like.

One point though, their defence is n't that great, under pressure they do makes as many mistakes as our back four, and their goal keeper, good distribution of the ball, but is he really any good in being a keeper . I don't know, the ball is hardly at his of the pitch for us to know.
We are not just 2 defenders and away, we are 5/ 6 quality players away.

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16 Dec 2017 21:08:10
So a win tomorrow will place us in 4th with exactly half the season played. Not all doom and gloom hey lads.
Unless we lose, then it will be the end of the world.

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16 Dec 2017 21:14:37
Just realised it's not exactly half the season. egg on face.

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16 Dec 2017 21:15:37
I don't see top 4 as progress this season. We have to start winning something.

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16 Dec 2017 21:16:41
I'm happy overall to be honest carra. I, like the majority was gutted about the past 2 results but this is football, it's not always fair lol let's bounce back with a dominant performance tomorrow! fingers crossed.

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16 Dec 2017 21:44:40
With you all the way Ron.

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16 Dec 2017 22:17:55
Do you not see maintaining top 4 for the second season in succession as progress? It's far harder to get top 4 when you are playing twice a week.
If we get top 4 again this season then we will again become stronger in the summer.
Qualifying for the champions league a few times in succession is the only way we will get back on the map to sign the players required to consistently push for titles/ trophies.
The last couple games have been a disappointment but the season as a whole so far is around the level of expectation. We cannot compare us or anyone to City as they have been unbelievable this season.

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16 Dec 2017 22:31:46
Getting into the top 4 consistently is key for me - we can’t progress until the team consistently plays in the CL and we haven’t had that for years. It also will improve visibility of the club globally, mean we’re in a position to challenge most years, and give the team confidence to go out an win a cup or two.

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16 Dec 2017 23:10:33
Usual stuff don’t pick up the wins against the bottom half clubs that the real big boys will pick up 99/ 100. Those results are why the likes of City and Chelsea win titles.

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16 Dec 2017 23:30:39
We can d both, Ron. However, judging from the fact that we have only been in the CL twice in 9 years, top 4 for a second season in a row is progress, no doubt. I love trophies too BUT if I had to pick between the top 4 and an FA Cup, I would pick top 4 if I can't have both for a second season in a row if I can't have both. Arsenal had the FA Cup instead of the CL last season and believe me, Wenger would gladly trade places with us. Consistent CL is progress for me as we continue to build. However, one game at a time and B'Mouth will NOT be easy.

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16 Dec 2017 23:56:46
I thought title challenge was the goal for this year?

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17 Dec 2017 01:18:43
Top 4 this year is much tougher than last year, so if we get there again, it definitely is progress . and as some of the posters have already said, being in the champions league year in year out is very good base for us.

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16 Dec 2017 20:17:31
Ed007 I remember when we got beat by city and Celtic by PSG I tried to compare City to PSG and you shot me down saying PSG were the best in Europe. Feeling a little silly now eh?

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{Ed007's Note - I have no idea what you're talking about and yes I do think PSG are the best team in Europe this year and it'll take a couple of great performances for anyone to stop them winning the CL. Until they meet or the CL is decided you're post doesn't really make much sense.}

16 Dec 2017 20:57:33
I'm not getting involved with the argument, but I can't see PSG winning the CL at all.

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16 Dec 2017 21:14:51
PSG are indeed a great team they have arguably the best midfield in Europe as well as attack, it's all debatable but I also just cannot see them winning the CL. Their biggest test is Real Madrid, if they beat them then I'd change my opinion and would put them as potential winners. That game will be like a CL final, one would've imagined both PSG and RM in the final.

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{Ed007's Note - I agree with that, it'll take someone like Real Madrid to beat them and even though they're not playing at their best this season they know how do win the CL. I wouldn't discount Bayern Munich stopping them if PSG get through Madrid and they meet again.}

16 Dec 2017 22:03:46
Yeah true, Bayern have that trait of upsetting teams pretty easily at times but I personally don't think they'd get past PSG to be honest with that team, any team will find it difficult to. The only advantage id say a team such as Real has over them is experience in the CL but PSG will be confident and to me do have the better team. I really see a City v PSG final if PSG get past Real, now that'd be an interesting one, I think PSG would do it though.

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16 Dec 2017 23:31:26
Personally I don’t think either Real Madrid nor PSG nor Manchester City will will the Champions League this season. I think we’re all going to be surprised when we see the real winner this season.

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16 Dec 2017 23:32:49
PSG is loaded and they will be there or thereabouts this season if they can do RM, which will be no easy task regardless oif their form domestically. They were poor in the last two seasons YET it did not stop them from winning the past two CL trophies back to back. It will be a great tie.

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16 Dec 2017 19:54:03
Spur's and Burnley dropping points today so hopefully it's third time lucky and we take advantage tomorrow.

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16 Dec 2017 20:44:05
Now when was the last time Liverpool actually took advantage?

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16 Dec 2017 20:53:11
That why I used the words hopefully and 3rd time lucky.

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16 Dec 2017 22:36:25
Hopefully my mate but got to get the job done tomorrow, last year showed with this fixture Bournemouth won’t give up so hopefully reds up for this tomorrow and get back in top 4.

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16 Dec 2017 23:33:08
Not exactly on the same level as Leicester winning the league, but Burnley finishing top 4 would be something.

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16 Dec 2017 23:33:29
I hope so, lads cos these draws are starting to do my head in.

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16 Dec 2017 20:02:04
Ron you have always been the eternal optimist. What has turned you? Yeah we're not goung to win the league but its not even January yet. Is everything ok man?

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16 Dec 2017 20:18:13
Brexit has done him.

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16 Dec 2017 20:27:57
Couple of wickets tomorrow morning might help 😁

I'll snap out of it. Still can't shake that team selection last week. It literally felt like a kick in the cojones.

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16 Dec 2017 22:40:22
Derby result and team was little annoying and certainly disappoing, but after tomorrow’s game that will be 2 matches ago, off course we remember results and if we had our way we would win every game, yes Klopp made mistakes that derby and when consider there performance it has a hard one too take but got to move forward not half way through season yet and got cup competitions still up for grabs with little hope! Onwards and upwards and support the redmen my mate.

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16 Dec 2017 23:38:09
Don't see any mistakes he made, Wombart. People can be disappointed and that is fine BUT it does not mean mistakes were made in the lineup as he played the best team he had based on fitness and availability. That is the take away here. You can't play your best team all the time and even if it is a derby, if Cou and Firmino are carrying knocks and Salah (the most played LFC player along with Bobbie) needs a rest at some point which they were, Klopp has to do what is best for the team as one derby does not a season decide. People really need to get over Everton as for me personally, we have bigger fish to fry than them.

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16 Dec 2017 19:33:42
Kevin De Bruyne, what a player! David Silva probably their best player ever but that boy Kevin is just something special!

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16 Dec 2017 19:43:06
I watch him and think as good as Coutinho ever was for us he was still nowhere near this lad at his peak imo.

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16 Dec 2017 20:09:12
Fantastic player and appears to be a very humble quite likeable guy!

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16 Dec 2017 20:18:30
And Mourinho didn’t think he was good enough 😂😂.

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16 Dec 2017 20:19:29
Yeah he is more consistant than Coutinho, yeah he appears to be quite likeable and humble guy but so did Coutinho not so long ago.

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16 Dec 2017 20:35:35
Let’s see how humble he is when Barcelona or Madrid come knocking.

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16 Dec 2017 20:51:20
De brunye is so good he is Gerard standards, pure natural ability I hope we have some future gems who can take it too next level, he is better than coutihno Henderson an milner put together.

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16 Dec 2017 23:39:47
What does Hendo and Milner have to do with this thread, Hailstones as no one was talking about them and they don't even play the same role as KDB?

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17 Dec 2017 00:06:22
They all playing central midfield roles an he better than all of them.

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16 Dec 2017 19:16:09
Seeing a bit of discussion about pep and thought id throw my two pence in. For me mourinho and pep are better managers than klopp. They go out and buy a replacement where there is a weakness, they may have the money to do so but they do priortise where they are weak. Klopp however in my opinion is a better coach, he works with what he has (sometimes blinkered i admit) but he tends to priortise moulding players with the right attributes to his vision rather than just going and buying a player that slots right in.

Pep is doing a good job at city, yes he has plenty of money but he still needs to get his team winning.

I am still thorughly behind klopp and always knew it would be a rocky ride to get us back to challenging. Something i believe he will get us doing but is only going to get tougher with the way that city team is at the minute.

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16 Dec 2017 19:30:13
Pep does a pretty good job of coaching too. He is getting the best out of Sterling and Sane consistently. KDB is next level. 52 points after 18 games is incredible in modern day football.

Klopp tried to sign players he needed if reports are true (VVD and Keita) so he knew we needed them but didn't get them over the line. definitely costing us. Not sure it was about wrong priorities more about lack of professionalism in transfer window. Hopefully that lesson has been learnt and we can strengthen in Jan and get top 4 again.

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16 Dec 2017 20:01:56
Jordz, unfortunately he illegally approached VVD so he wrecked that one all on his own.

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16 Dec 2017 23:47:51
Jordz, I agree with you overall however, Klopp has changed a bit. Yes, he believes in coaching and moulding players as that is how he started his career at Mainz taking over from his mentor Wolfgang Frank, an Arrigo Sacchi disciple. Frank taught him that you can beat any team if you are meticulous in your training, tactics and preparations cos to him at times, Having your best 11 is better than having 11 of the best players and clearly, that ethos has served him well with the success he has had.

Now the diff. is that he now has more spending power compared to his Bundesliga days so he now has no prob bidding or willing to drop 150m for VVD and Keita if he feels they will improve his team. Pep and Mou do the same thing as well as we see with the mony both have spent. The diff. is that Klopp has his way of recruiting as he will no longer settle for stop gaps so he will rather coach the team up to try to make up for the player he is missing rather than sign one he does not believe in. I'd rather that than just buying for buying sake, something both Pep and Mou do.

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16 Dec 2017 19:13:06
Now all those saying that pep was overrated because he managed Greta teams, look at what he has done with city. If only we had some luck with ambitious owners backed with an ambitious manager.

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16 Dec 2017 19:36:25
Knock it off mate. You do realise our owners have ploughed so much into the club, actually more than most fans know as Ed2 has previously said so why don't you give it a rest or go support Man City, PSG or any other oil rich club.

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16 Dec 2017 21:52:41
Mtunzini123 come off it, if you think we lack ambitious owners is shows how little you really know about the club.

'Look what he's done with city' - can you explain to me exactly what he has done apart from buy top quality players to match his system? who couldn't do well with that much money at your disposal, City was bound to run away with the league one of these seasons, it happens to be this season, you think this is because of pep? I personally don't. Put him at Liverpool and see if he could do the same without that much cash. He's always had everything handed on a plate to him.

Man city, PSG etc would make Moyes look good as manager if they had that much in funds to spend. Well, maybe that's debatable but you get what I mean.

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16 Dec 2017 23:42:12
Take over a club with the England national goal keeper. I don't fancy him, I'll buy a new keeper for £17ml on a 4 year deal. One season later., I don't fancy him so I'll buy another keeper for £35ml. While I'm at it, I don't fancy my full backs, I'll have two at €50ml a pop.

He's reinventing football alright.

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16 Dec 2017 23:54:40
OP, no one has ever said Pep is overrated. He is a damn good coach and fine manager, no doubt. What we are saying is that he always goes to teams where he has the best players and has DEEEEEEP pockets to spend. He has spent half a billion in the past two seasons so what were you expecting? That they don't run away with the PL? Pep is a fine manager BUT being able to spend 300m every season definitely helps and that, you can't hide from.

Our owners are not City owners (SHOCKER) where if Pep sign a poor GK like Bravo for 35m and he flops, no problem. They drop 40m the next season on Ederson and the move on. If you expect our owners to do that then for sure, you are supporting the wrong club so I suggest you go get your Citeh gear on and support them going forward cos spending half a billion on players in two seasons will NEVER happen under FSG and I am cool with that.

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16 Dec 2017 17:55:20
So I'd still like us to go for Van Dijk.

Realise that pretty much everyone on here thinks he's terrible now but I still feel he can be good for us. Got this feeling he is going to end up at Man City and be a powerhouse for them with a bit of good coaching.

Yes he may have disappeared this season and its clear his head is elsewhere but he has a lot of the attributes to be very good. He has the pace to chase back and help us with our high line as well giving us a bit more oomph when defending set pieces. There's no doubt that he's certainly a much more imposing figure than any of our CBs.

Wonder whether anyone else thinks he Could still be a good option. Or is De Vrij
our one and only saviour now!?

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{Ed002's Note - he is damaged goods because of the illegal and totally unprofessional behaviour of the Liverpool manager.}

16 Dec 2017 18:00:17
He's got a lot of good attributes but ed002 makes an excellent point. He's damaged goods, I worry about his mentality after what happened in the summer.
He could be great at City but then he won't really have much to do in that team.

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16 Dec 2017 18:32:59
Is a shame. We should offer Southampton some players and give some extra cash and say we're really really sorry again, maybe let them beat us next time we play?

Think he will just end up at City now and make them even better!

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16 Dec 2017 18:43:36
I agree he will end up elsewhere.
If he came to Anfield now he would be under far too much pressure to succeed. I feel it would be a poor signing now.

We will have to look elsewhere, maybe we can just sign some more midfielders and some kids who will never play.

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16 Dec 2017 20:25:17
Get a 🍻 and chill out Ron your still down pal c'mon game on tomorrow different opposition onwards and upwards 👍👍.

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16 Dec 2017 20:13:44
I think you need to get laid Ron. Its the only thing that will get the real Ron back, i hope. You are giving Harry a run for his money atm.

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16 Dec 2017 22:36:33
I’m pretty sure Harry hacked Ron’s account, either that or there’s been an alien abduction!

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16 Dec 2017 23:57:07
I want my Ron back as the one we have now is an imposter.

Seriously tho, I would stay well away from VVD. He is not only damaged goods BUT he is not interested in playing for Saints anymore and he has been average if not poor all season. We should look elsewhere for a CB and there are decent if not great ones out there. Not sold on De Vrij tho as he is injury prone and not that quick.

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16 Dec 2017 17:15:00
With Arsenal and Chelsea winning we need to field the strongest possible to win tomorrow. can't let others run away from us either. Must win for me.

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16 Dec 2017 17:32:34
Burnley dropped points so a win is vital .

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16 Dec 2017 18:28:28
Like we did against WBA when we drew? Or city when we lost? Or stoke when we won etc. Stop the moaning about team selections it’s media fabricated by brain dead idiots like carra and g nev who can’t say “it’s just one of those” they have to make a job for themselves and over analys to fill air time.

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16 Dec 2017 19:45:19
Let's be honest, every game is a must win for liverpool in order to save the world from imploding.

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17 Dec 2017 00:02:08
Spot on, Jezza. The fans fall for the same crap and false media narrative all the time there is a negative result. "Oh the lineup this and the lineup that". It has always been a red herring and a false narrative BUT seems some simply need someone or something to blame for football not being an exact science so they focus on such a pathetic talking point.

Rotation happens all the time with all big clubs esp. during the festive season in the PL. Klopp doid not invent that wheel as Rafa rotated as a policy and that peeved me off. Klopp is doing that to specifically protect our boys from burnout like they sufferred last Dec-Feb. If you don't/ can't understand that then there's no point.

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