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04 Jun 2017 12:22:18
Well now the Echo are reporting that reports last night of VVD agreeing to City were very premature.

And just to add on that, who actually reported that? The Mirror? They're not even reliable!

Robin in the Hood

1.) 04 Jun 2017 12:33:12
I wouldn't be surprised if a supposed agreement with City fell through because VVD was like, 'No, please Soton! I don't wanna go to City! Let me go to Liverpool! '

2.) 04 Jun 2017 12:34:38
Maybe more suited to the eds but open to anyone.
Do you think there is an element of panicking from all clubs.

A scramble to get deals done. Huge amounts of tv money. I get this is now how the market looks in terms of money but a player can have 1 good season and see his value rocket, do u think clubs launch money at a name rather than having a detailed look and spending the required time to make sure the player suits.

Are teams buying best available and not best foe the system.

{Ed025's Note - i think they are lee, clubs are certainly offering over the odds for players because they dont want to lose out...and aint them scumbag low life agents just loving it?..

3.) 04 Jun 2017 13:08:07
I'm sure they are mate.

4.) 04 Jun 2017 13:30:53
I think this may be true, pay the fee now, clubs accept cos they have time to replace, wait any longer and they may be forced to pay even more or go for a second of third choice down the line and pay an equally large sum, just for someone else who wasn't first choice.

5.) 04 Jun 2017 14:16:30
Agents do this all the time in order to essential set the starting price on a player before the club (in this case Southampton) can do it for them. It typically provoked a bidding war. You'll notice that nobody bit. That's very telling.



02 Jun 2017 14:54:29
Hi Eds

Re: Sessegnon, you guys have labelled the pursuit failure down to Fulham's bad blood, while others have suggested that it's because Liverpool didn't offer first team opportunities straight away like Spurs did.

Is the truth just a bit of both?


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{Ed001's Note - yes mate. We could have potentially had a deal done before Spurs came in for him anyway.}

1.) 02 Jun 2017 15:17:35
Another Dellle Ali mistake?

2.) 02 Jun 2017 15:33:53
100% Nicky. This kid is the real deal. It's so obvious!

3.) 02 Jun 2017 15:43:06
So, it sounds like that Fulham were reluctantly cooperating with Liverpool, until Spurs came in and Fulham said 'oh, thank god you're here, can you please buy him instead? '

{Ed001's Note - no, that was the point. If we had been able to get Fulham to reluctantly cooperate with us we would have had the deal wrapped up before Spurs came in.}

4.) 02 Jun 2017 15:51:49
It's not a mistake, it's a matter of Fulham not wanting to cooperate with us. At least MK Dons were cooperating with Liverpool.

Thanks for the info ed. I suppose you won't hear in the press that Fulham refuse to deal with us.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what the press will have to say, sorry. I have not read the press in years.}

5.) 02 Jun 2017 16:27:20
Possibly down to an inexperienced chief exec new to football?

{Ed001's Note - what has he to do with it? If anything having him is an advantage as he is untarnished by the mess before.}

6.) 02 Jun 2017 16:21:18
Can hardly blame Fulham for their stance. We behaved appallingly.

7.) 02 Jun 2017 16:30:07
It's not over until it's over, the lad is a Liverpool supporter. Must be something we can do to sign him.

8.) 02 Jun 2017 16:45:44
If not Danny rose finished article and would suit us?

9.) 02 Jun 2017 16:45:34
Fair do's ed so the offer to sessegnon was on klopp then?

{Ed001's Note - no, it was on the previous regime that tapped up Dempsey and then never made any attempt to smooth things over afterwards.}

10.) 02 Jun 2017 21:09:59
Ah that explains it, thanks for the info ed.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}



02 Jun 2017 14:21:57
I think FSG will find a way to make something work with most our transfers this summer, they realise the importance of this window, and they won't want to let Liverpool miss out on all their top targets because of stuffing around with wages.

I understand the frustration with stuffing around over wages, but FSG are trying to be careful. That's all. Teams like City don't have to be as cautious when figures like 180k for a CB are in play.

Robin in the Hood

1.) 02 Jun 2017 14:40:13
I tend to agree, we have to be much more sensible when it comes to the wages we offer. I can't remember the figures exactly but don't clubs aim to run at around/ under 60% of wages:turnover? When FSG first took over we were roughly 10% over that threshold which is seen as unsustainable, hence the big earners being moved on.

What can't be happening though, which has been hinted at, is offering/ suggesting a player will be on a certain wage and changing the structure later on.

With the extra revenue you'd have to imagine the club can expand the wage structure we currently have, its just by how much and the consequences of doing so. £180k a week for VVD would have Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana and others agents wanting more.

2.) 02 Jun 2017 14:52:49
Yeah, I don't agree with the way FSG have changed their offer to VVD. Things like that are an example of how Liverpool can be such pricks in the negotiating room. I understand the financial reasons behind it, but the matter of principle for me is greater than the consideration of the financial jigsaw, and when you make that offer, don't rescind it and return with a worse offer.




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25 Jun 2017 10:27:09
This Ox deal smells a bit like Gini last summer - like Gini, Ox is an advanced attacking player that his club is not actively but open to selling, will be converted into a central midfielder, and possibly surprise everyone.

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1.) 25 Jun 2017 11:12:19
I got a feeling Ox will be competin for the more advanced roles. Perhaps as competition for Couts and the wingers.
If I remember correctly Ox gave us a lot of problems when he played in a Mane-like role, so I believe he would be a good addition as cover for those positions.
What are you're thoughts on this?

2.) 25 Jun 2017 12:21:50
Ed001 said that Ox is the alternative to Keita, so I think he's being lined up as central midfield option.

3.) 25 Jun 2017 21:28:30
And what did the Ox do the rest of the season after that first game, AnfieldBlossom? Can you remember cos I definitely can't. Comparing Gini signing to Ox's is a false equivalence cos contrary to the Ox, Gini was already a very good player and highly rated before he even came to the PL and my only issue was that I did not know where he would fit in based on the role he played as a box to box midfielder with Newcastle but Klopp gave him the Joe Allen role with licence to get in the box and score goals, a role that was diff, to the one he had at the Magpies. I also questioned his attitude at Newcastle cos he ot benched by Rafa due to a lack of commitment.

As for Ox, he simply is not good enough and the facts are there to back it up. Now if Klopp thinks he can get him to perform then I will defer to him but the fact that the Ox has been poor overall at Arsenal does not change.



09 Jun 2017 14:00:10
Liverpool FC, or Liverpool Mafia?

What next? Putting players at gunpoint to sign contracts that they 'can't refuse'?

Robin in the Hood



06 Jun 2017 12:32:01
Have Liverpool even spoken to Van Dijk? Or only his agent? If only his agent then it can't be tapping up can it?

Robin in the Hood

1.) 06 Jun 2017 14:00:16
Robin, nobody really knows at this time but many think that the Saints are just mad that there will not be a 3 way bidding war (meaning more money for them) for VVD as he seems to have squashed that plan by picking us outright over City and Chelsea.

Also, there are reports that Pep and Conte spoke with him and his agent too and the Saints don't seem to be mad about that so why are they mad now? I know they don't like us and I get it but we shall see if this comes to anything.



06 Jun 2017 11:39:14
Apparently Saints tried the same 'tapping up' ruse with Liverpool when Clyne was signed, and it eventuated into nothing.

Robin in the Hood

1.) 06 Jun 2017 14:44:18
This may be diff. tho, Robin. His agent came to us and we may have thought the Saints board knew about the meeting and gave their permission. If that is not the case then either the question was never asked hence, willful ignorance or it was asked and the agent lied. We shall see.



03 Jun 2017 15:33:47
Hi ed001,

I don't mean to disparage you guys or anything, but how did the Van Dijk interest and subsequent talks fall under the radar on this page? You guys are excellent at what you do, so it's just very odd you seemed to know nothing of it until a few days ago!

Is it something that the club have been trying to keep tightly under wraps or?

Robin in the Hood

{Ed001's Note - we can't know everything. What do you want me to say? Seems a pointless question. Klopp didn't even look at centre backs, so why would we take any notice when his agent comes to us? Just like Wijnaldum last season, it is not an enquiry then talks, then signing.}

1.) 03 Jun 2017 16:02:49
It wasn't the club but the player that showed interest in joining us. Hence we are struggling to conclude the deal. This was never in our bucket list!

2.) 03 Jun 2017 16:11:59
So what you're saying is, it's not Liverpool who started chasing VVD, it's VVD who started chasing Liverpool? And up until VVD began throwing himself at us, he was just another one of dozens of centre backs we've looked at, hence why there was not much for you guys to say about Liverpool/ VVD until very recently?

If you read the press I suppose my question makes more sense. He's probably been the most linked-with player for Liverpool this year, and I just assumed that it would have meant an easy Liverpool transfer target for you guys to report on, just like Brandt and etc.

{Ed001's Note - he was not a target, Klopp was not looking at centre backs for next season. We never had a need to actually scout and chase him. I included the similarity with Wijanldum, as he was also not a player we chased or a position we were looking to sign until we were approached about his availability and desire to join us. Sometimes you get an offer that changes your plans. It is like planning to go out with your mates then getting a call from a girl who wants to go out on a date. You can stick with your lad's night out or take a chance and go for the date. It does however mean there was none of the flirting that precedes it for others to notice something was happening.}

3.) 03 Jun 2017 16:13:07
So Second Coming, the fact that all the press have been linking VVD with us for a while now is just a fluke for them? Genuine question.

4.) 03 Jun 2017 16:13:31
Everyone was caught with there pants down.

It was a spur of the moment thing. Ni planning. We all thoight we werw set with lovren and matip and wherw signing positions of need. The the opportunity canr to stock pile another player, and neglect postions which need addressing.

5.) 03 Jun 2017 16:34:38
I don't know what you are saying. But this is coming from a very reliable source as the player had options to pick the club and he expressed his desire to play for us. The fee is outrageous and the club had no plans to bring him or any defender this window.
We have been linked with a lot of players in the past, Did we sign them all. Salah was never in our sight unti it was quite clear Brandt wasn't coming as well Dembele from Celtic.
There could be many more surprise on the way.
The one clear interest is of Kieta.

6.) 03 Jun 2017 16:55:53
So follow up question, do you think it is a case of the player and his agent trying to get all their options on the table or would he genuinely like to join us over City for example? I feel he would be a huge upgrade over lovren but it would be a massive shame if his expensive signing meant we couldn't afford to strengthen at full back.

7.) 03 Jun 2017 17:04:29
It's not stockpiling. would you be happy if Matip got injured and we were left with Lovren and Klavan for a couple of months?

8.) 03 Jun 2017 17:27:19

Yes He is very keen to join us.

9.) 03 Jun 2017 16:24:21
Well that just depends on how much you rate the current centre backs, Supermane. For the people who rate VVD, and don't rate Lovren much, this is excellent news. Liverpool's defensive woes aren't completely a fullback issue. It's across the entire back four.

Thanks for the explanation ed, makes much more sense now. It seems that this whole time, the media were either taking a stab in the dark because he's a Saints player, or they knew about VVD's keenness for Liverpool and hoped it eventuated into Liverpool pursuing him. Also, by a 'date' with a girl, do you really mean netflix and chill? :D.

{Ed001's Note - do you know what, I must be old only it used to mean going out getting her drunk in the hope of getting your end away....}

10.) 03 Jun 2017 17:50:45
In general I'd always go for the date over the lad's night out. but to my mind the situation with VVD is more like 2 alternative dates. I'd rather we er. hooked up with players that covered our main needs than chased this bit of stuff that flashed it's garters at us. Especially when we could probably kiss and make up with someone cheaper and more talented we've had a tiff with (Sakho) .

11.) 03 Jun 2017 18:07:41
Jheez 001 that sounds almost criminal! Things have definitely changed.

{Ed001's Note - not sure it is for the better mate....}

12.) 03 Jun 2017 18:17:05
So the club are trying to conclude a 50 million pound centre back they didn't want 🤔.

{Ed001's Note - no, it is a deal they did not see as priority, but sometimes you have to take the opportunity when it comes along.}

13.) 03 Jun 2017 19:04:17
I see so the club genuinely see it as a suburb opportunity?

{Ed001's Note - well it is certainly not inner city that is for sure SC.}

14.) 03 Jun 2017 21:08:40
Ed1, have we agreed a fee yet then? Or is it the fact that the player is so keen that is seeing us go for it. I'm assuming we have the permission of Southampton to speak to the player.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea.}

15.) 03 Jun 2017 22:44:10
I guess like Liverpool not looking to add an attacker, but messi's agent getting in touch saying messi really wants to play for klopp. Btw, had that happened yet? 😂.

16.) 03 Jun 2017 22:00:08
Love the analogy ed 👍

I know you don't agree but i think he could be a good signing for us if they can pull it off. Mendy would have been an excellent window but alas its not to be. Just wish we would stop dickin about with that position and get someone decent signed. But hay it would not be liverpool without some transfer dramas.

{Ed001's Note - cheers.}




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23 Jun 2017 15:14:10
I think people too negatively overreact to Oxlaide Chamberlain. He's the kind of veratile quality that's good to have in your squad when injury holes need to be plugged. And yes, he's talented. Who knows, he could go on to profoundly improve under Klopp.

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18 Jun 2017 14:58:23
Salah's good mate made a post on facebook congratulating Salah on his Liverpool move.

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18 Jun 2017 03:43:15
Yeah I like Stevie Nicol, but every now and then he will talk some real bull***.

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18 Jun 2017 03:42:10
It's not an original Echo report, it's gossip they've regurgitated in their gossip column. That's how clickbait works, X club will stall their negotiations for Z player, Y club haven't made any formal approaches, so then the papers will publish: "Y Club handed MAJOR boost to sign Z player! "

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15 Jun 2017 01:51:22
I know it's only tongue-in-cheek rhetoric, but there would be no logic in buying their scout. It wouldn't work for us because Liverpool are looking for more ready-made players. The Saints' scout finds their players before they develop into what they are when Liverpool buy them. The Mane who came from Red Bull isn't quite the same player as the Mane who came from Saints, ditto VVD if it happens.

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25 Jun 2017 12:21:50
Ed001 said that Ox is the alternative to Keita, so I think he's being lined up as central midfield option.

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25 Jun 2017 10:47:03
And yes, all-standing can indeed partly solve the atmosphere problem. You get a better atmosphere when groups of mates are all together, something much more possible with safe standing as you're not allocated specific spots to stand in.

Robin in the Hood

{Ed007's Note - You are still giving a specific seat number and spot to stand, it's not just a free for all where people just stand where they want. You get allocated a seat number just like anywhere else in the ground and unless your mates get season tickets next to you you're relying on the generosity of others to swap positions to let you all stand together.}



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25 Jun 2017 10:37:48
BVB's yellow wall is a massive all-standing spion kop stand and I never hear any bad things about it?

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{Ed001's Note - just because you don't hear them, doesn't mean a thing.}



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22 Jun 2017 15:04:27
Isn't Aldridge an employee of the club? If he is, it's absolutely f***ing stupid that he said that, Southampton's feelings towards Liverpool are already bad enough.

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18 Jun 2017 15:07:05
I agree Jackored. Do we overspend for Mendy, or buy Robertson with the loose shrapnel we found at the bottom of our pockets, and eventually bemoan his signing further down the track during the season? Until Liverpool find a very competent but cheaper alternative, I'm all for signing Mendy.

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