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10 Jan 2017 16:34:54
Hi Ed2, there are reports that Liverpool have set a price for Sakho's sale (effectively getting their outlay back) . Is the interest in Sakho high enough that clubs will pay a large fee or is it more likely that Liverpool will end up accepting a nominal fee to get him off the books?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I would think the answer is between the two. Liverpool want to sell rather than loan Sakho to another side. Sevilla and, perhaps, Roma may well seek a loan to buy deal for Sakho in January but the issue will be his wages. Sevilla remain interested but I understand Liverpool want to sell rather than loan him out and the asking price is seen to be very high indeed. Roma's interest will be there if they lose a centre back in January but are resisting the temptation to commit to buying a replacement at this time and want to take Sakho on loan. Besiktas and Galatasaray are not of interest to the player. Lyes Ghilas and Niakate Housseyni have both been spoken to by the club and they should be looking for a new home for the player but for now Housseyni is insistant that Sakho stays and if that is the case he will no doubt be spending his time looking for the deal that suits them and not Liverpool for the summer. Housseyni has been told that the club expect to recover their investment in him. Ghilas offered the player to a representative of Marseilles whilst they were both at meetings with Chelsea but they have no interest in him. Stoke have discussed a loan with his agent but have said they would need to have Liverpool pay half his wages. The player has said that he wants a high-end side and that will likely rule out any interest from the player in clubs such as West Brom and West Ham who have both enquired with Housseyni. If Southampton were to lose both van Dijk and Fonte during January then they might also consider a loan. So it is a case of looking to a deal with Sevilla or Southampton and perhaps being more reasonable about the price and not demanding £20M or so.}


1.) 11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 13 Jan 2017 00:38:05
And that ladies and gentlemen is why this site rocks. Ed02.take a bow son. what a reply.


 

 

 

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26 Jan 2017 16:31:18
What happens with Wolves happens, I'm not hugely bothered either way, it's Chelsea on Tuesday which I'm focused on. This is a pretty depressing place to hang out at the moment but that all changes if we win that game, is that likely? Yes, I think it is. We beat them at Stamford Bridge and our form against our closest rivals is excellent and if there's one match to bring our 'A' game to this is it. How Chelsea approach the game will be crucial. If they think they can beat us then I think we'll shade an open game. I'll be far more worried if they decide they only need a draw and try and contain us.

Bottom line is a win re-invigorates our season and it wouldn't be crazy if we were back within 4 points of Chelsea come 5pm on the 4th of Feb. let's get wolves out of the way, wipe the slate clean and then get our season back on track on Tuesday.

P. S. Does anyone know if Mane gets time off after AFCON or does he come straight back to training?

PutneyRed

1.) 26 Jan 2017 16:55:33
Good post, Putney Red and I hope we beat Wolves to get some confidence especially at home even tho, it may not be much. I think by FIFA rules, a player out of an ongoing competition is granted 5 days of rest before he can suit up for his club.


2.) 26 Jan 2017 18:06:22
we have a chance against both Wolves and Chelsea, if Klopp picks his best teams for both games, I don't think that was our best 11 V Southampton, confidence is very low at the moment, and players seem tired, both swansea and southampton players had more energy, and took only 4 passes to get a shot on our goal . we took 34 passes, only for the shot to go over the bar, Klopps reluctance to buy a pacy forward, is holding us back, Ojo should be given more game time, yes he was out injured, but we need someone like him right now,


 

 

24 Jan 2017 11:35:39
Nice Story, Ex Liverpool youth player Adam Morgan is the current top scorer in this year's FA Cup with 6 goals. After a few years of tumbling down the leagues and suffering from a number of disciplinary problems there are early signs that he's getting his career back on track. Along with 6 FA Cup goals (in just three games) he's scored 10 goals in 11 appearances in the National League North, the sixth tier of English football.

PutneyRed

1.) 24 Jan 2017 14:21:49
Good luck to the lad


 

 

20 Jan 2017 17:33:07
We often talk about how players do and don't work in certain systems which begs the question, should the system be designed to suit the players or should the players that most suit the system be picked? For Liverpool 13/ 14 is a great example of the former, Rodgers set up to get the best out of Suarez. Klopp, however, picks the system first and then gets the players to adapt to it.

At City the rumour is that Aguero can leave as Guardiola doesn't think he fits but Aguero is debatably the best striker in Premier League history, surely the manger should adapt to get such a good player into his team?

Thoughts?

PutneyRed

1.) 20 Jan 2017 18:34:14
Aguero isn't even "arguably" the best striker in premier league history .

{Ed025's Note - compared to suarez hes a no mark mate..


2.) 20 Jan 2017 19:07:10
To your original point however I am a massive advicate for bringing in players that will suit your system. Purely because the system is essentially your identiry yea? So then establishing an identity to me is one of the first steps in develooing the club and then you need the right players to deliver that.

I think you need flexibility too in terms of tactics etc - defending when you need to, long ball when you HAVE TO and so forth. But that our primary system is etablished!


3.) 20 Jan 2017 19:00:43
I truly do not believe BR set anything up intentionally to suit anyone. He stumbled across lightening in a bottle midway thru that title run and then the next season he REEEEALLY showed his ineptitude and inability to develop an identity with the players he had once suarez left.


4.) 20 Jan 2017 21:03:40
I think you play the system to suit the majority of your best players, not just one, and I think the current system suits us well, relying on hard working players like Hendo, Llalana, Firmino etc.

13/ 14 was a decent example perhaps, however the diamond also was also perfect for Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho and Hendo so don't think it was just about suiting Suarez.


5.) 20 Jan 2017 20:52:46
I agree with Faith. The system is essential because that is the bedrock of a group and a path to success on the pitch. Then we can add the players with the qualities necessary to fit the scheme. Of course, there are small exceptions and tweaks can be made to accommodate very talented players who may not naturally fit the required system.

As for BR's system, it was never his "system". It was Marcelo Bielsa (a god of the high press system) who recommended it to BR during a coaching seminar, as Ed01 mentioned profusely at the time and it worked cos we had the players who could thrive in it. We know it wasn't his system cos the season after, he reverted back to his failed slow, sideways passing stuff that got us nowhere, to the point of him being sacked.


6.) 20 Jan 2017 23:19:55
Putney, I am generally a fan of players fitting systems, but within those systems you need a core/ spine of 4 playersand the rest can come and go based on injuries, player sales purchases, or rotations.

Historically most teams IMO were built around a stable core of players who could play a system, or who were good players. Schmeichel, Bruce, keane, cantona
van der sar, ferdy, scholes, rooney.
cech terry, makelele Lampard Drogba
Hart, Kompany, yaya, ageuro.
the other playersaround that spine tend to come and go, without affecting the team, but when you miss one or 2from that spine, the team is drastically affected, none more evident for me than cities failures without kompany and aguero, or cheleas collapse when lampard picked up hisinjuries in 2010/ 11

I would be hesistant personally to build a team around one or 2 players, as you're solely relying on them eprforming week in and outand no doubt, it would give thm a significant ego, as well as being man marked out the game at times. It has been pointed out, Argentina fail when Messi is simply tracked (tagged) by a marker out the game, teams focussed on stopping mcmanaman back in the day and fowler. If you stopped their quality, you stopped lfc.

It has to be said though, systems can be found out, ed002 points to this regarding klopps early success and then ''demise'' after the workaround for his system was discovered. Same with Leicester this year. I think any system should have a plan b and c.

Overall i'd say i'd build a team of player to fit a system rather than build a system or team around 1 player.


7.) 21 Jan 2017 03:11:28
I agree with about Rodgers.

Rodgers first master stroke was to isolate and flog Big Andy Carroll because he did not suit his style of play.
His last master stroke was to spend millions signing the big target man Bendeke to add a direct dimension to the group.
Enough said but I still feel sorry for Kenny to have that mule Rodgers belittling his squad.


8.) 21 Jan 2017 03:43:08
You play systems and get the players to adapt or bring in players who already fit it. No individual is greater then the team - how many times have we heard Klopp talk about the importance of the collective? It is a team game and the system is what dictates the fluidity of the team - that has to be the priority. I would have thought that any top-class player, like Aquero, could fit into pretty much any system though. Personally I just think Guardiola is doing a bit of a rubbish job.


9.) 20 Jan 2017 22:47:08
Glad I generated some discussion. Quick one for rollanfield, Aguero has the best strike rate of any premier league player. If we had that debate he would be included in it.


10.) 21 Jan 2017 10:29:17
Ed25, you're being far too nice to us these days, has Mr Klopp made you see the error of your ways? Are you going to do a Carra and switch allegiances? You're tempted aren't you? ;-)

{Ed025's Note - im afraid not super, blues are born mate not manufactured, being a scouser a lot of my friends (and 2 sons) are reds so its hard not to be nice to you, and i must admit i do like klopp because hes a bit of a wierdo and is always upbeat just like me, i do wish the reds well but will be massively disappointed if you win the league, i just wont be able to stand the crowing that would bring...so heres to yet another 27 years of underachievement.. :)


 

 

16 Jan 2017 16:06:53
Hi Ed2, not sure if this is something you'd like to comment on but do you think it's likely that Liverpool will sort out this Matip issue or will he have to wait until the end of AFCON?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I depends where the issue rests - if the Secretary did what was necessary then the onus is on the country who should have been chased if they did not provide acknowledgement. It is very simple.}


1.) 16 Jan 2017 16:25:55
Thanks Ed2, apologies for repeating a common question.

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}


2.) 16 Jan 2017 16:28:23
It seems pretty clear this process was not followed. Klopp is quoted as saying "Our understanding is that Joel is retired. " - He has either officially retired, or he hasn't. There should be no grey area here. My guess/ assumption is that he hasn't officially retired, more asked not to be selected. In which case, Cameroon are entitled to dig their heels in. It's a real shame and disappointing this has been managed so poorly

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure how you can conclude that given what is known and what The AP were told by FIFA; it seems to be no more than speculation. If Klipperty pops along to see the Secretary then he could find out exactly the situation.}


3.) 16 Jan 2017 17:22:17
My point exactly old bean. Merely a guess/ assumption on my part. If, as you say, the Secretary had informed Cameroon, the situation is clear and we could play Matip without fear of reprisals. If not, then he will not be available until the end of the tournament (+5 days)


4.) 16 Jan 2017 17:33:13
Ed, does it matter that he was not named in the final squad? Or the fact that he initially refused the call up mean it remains an issue?

{Ed002's Note - TRy not to complicate something which I have already explained clearly. No conjecture, nothing.}


 

 

09 Jan 2017 15:48:26
A question for Ed01 if he fancies it. I've been having a think about two of our better prospects from recent years who are no longer at the club, Suso and Sterling. I was surprised to see that they're having remarkably similar seasons in terms of goals and assists and I was wondering if you have an opinion over which is the better player? Going on little more than the highlight reel and my limited memories Sterling's game seems based on his pace, tenacity and close control whilst Suso seems more cultured with more flow to his dribbling and a better range of passing. Do you think either would get into our first 11 or do you think we've grown beyond them? (let's ignore Sterling's attitude problem if we can)

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - Sterling was faster but Suso was much better in every area of the game. He was so much more technically adept than Sterling, loved to get stuck in and had a beautiful first touch at times. Suso needed to go to get the chances, as he was short and not lightning quick in a country that still favours physicality over technicality. He would certainly make a great option to play in midfield or one of the forward positions, especially during the absence of Lallana and Coutinho. However I do not think he would have commanded a first choice place yet.}


1.) 09 Jan 2017 18:35:55
I rekpn suso had it all but that his body needed to catch up with his technique. He also didn't have the engine to play centrally for us serie A is a really good fit for him


2.) 09 Jan 2017 20:54:45
I think Sterling. Sterlings game has changed a lot since the hype surrounding him and as he sought to find something to differentiate him from the other forwards at City in a positive light, which has ultimately left him as a Walcott mK2 - all pace and little else. From what I saw of them when they were first getting regular games (Sterling first full season with us and Suso at Almeria - which granted was a lot less than I saw Sterling) I think Sterling had the potential to go further.

However I think the reason Ibe hasn't gone further already is all in his head


3.) 09 Jan 2017 21:30:47
Any chance of getting him back in the summer?

{Ed001's Note - which one? Though the word no would apply anyway.}


 

 

 

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19 Feb 2017 21:42:03
Ed2, I know we're straying away from Liverpool territory here but have you wind of where Hart will be next season? It sounds like you know more than you've revealed on the matter.

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - There is no agreement for him to go anywhere next season - it is all BS this guy is spinning you.}


 

 

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13 Feb 2017 09:39:46
Ed, are you surprised about Stewart? For someone who's rated he doesn't seem to get much pitch time.

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - he will get his chance, he is still learning, we are far too keen to give up on players in this country. He just needs to be patient, his role is one that takes a lot of thought and experience is a massive plus.}


 

 

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07 Feb 2017 20:49:03
Ed25, I can't disagree with you, I know migs isn't the answer but, for this season at least, Karius isn't either. I just hope what's happened hasn't ruined the lad.

PutneyRed

{Ed025's Note - im sure he will be fine putney..


 

 

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07 Feb 2017 18:25:27
I think this is one of the things Klopp's got wrong. Karius wasn't ready to be first choice straight away but Klopp tried to force it and the direct result is one keeper who's confidence is shot and another who doesn't know where he stands.

Now we're out of the cups the only way Karius can get game time is if Migs is dropped, that's a dangerous prospect because if Karius does come in and messes up Klopp will look like a fool.

Migs started the season well, dropping him for an unproven youngster was a dangerous gamble that has blown up in Klopp's face.

PutneyRed

{Ed025's Note - the problem as i see it putney is that liverpool should have got rid of the liability that is migs last summer, karius coming in was fine but it should have been as understudy to a quality experienced keeper, now i dont know whether that was down to finance or klopp but its clear to me that someone dropped the ball mate..


 

 

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24 Jan 2017 16:42:32
Lovren would make a competent back up so it's appropriate to give him a contract extension irregardless of whether someone new comes in.

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23 Feb 2017 20:23:54
Guys, I just think this is one of those opinions that people are on the band wagon about. I don't see him doing anything that 30 other guys in the league couldn't do just as well. We're not the finished article yet and that means we need better players, it follows that means someone's getting dropped. Wiji's had the least impact of any of our midfielders or forwards and he's the first one to be dropped whenever Klopp tries to find a spot for Can. He'll be here next season but it will be as a squad player not first 11.

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23 Feb 2017 13:18:23
Mikey, you're still not wrong, Wiji has been fine but he'll be the first of the front 6 to be replaced. He's a decent player doing a decent job but we should be looking at a level or two higher.

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19 Feb 2017 21:48:09
Klopp's nothing if not confident. Whilst I think he'd be interested in the Barcelona job he'll assume he can have some success with Liverpool before heading to Spain in a few years. The idea that he may never again get the opportunity wouldn't even occur to him.

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17 Feb 2017 17:18:38
MK, that just doesn't cut it, to take your argument to extremes we should never sign anyone and only play youth on the off chance they turn into superstars.

Players need to be evaluated and if they're not good enough they need to be moved on to make space for someone better. That may not even apply to Can yet but it's the correct way of doing business in general.

As for your examples you're cherry picking and it's part of this logical fallacy that because we might come to regret an action we shouldn't do it all.

Bottom line is that Can is part of the problems we've had this season and if he can't demonstrate he can be part of the solution then his future is in doubt.

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17 Feb 2017 12:50:13
Ron, agree with you in general but the dropping into defence thing was clearly under instruction so I wouldn't hold that against him.

He may turn good but I'm getting a serious Ibe vibe about him, a player I was seriously excited about who turns out to be rather average.

PutneyRed