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12 Mar 2017 13:26:14
Just seen that Klopp said he had no plans to bring in a new keeper this summer. There are three possible translations as I see it.

1. He's doesn't want to show his hand at this stage of the season and is shooting who's available.

2. He's happy with Migs and Karius competing.

3. He plans to replace Migs with Ward.

If it's option 2 I'll be disappointed, we want a better keeper than Migs and Karius may not be the answer. If he isn't it will be 5 seasons without a good enough keeper. Option 3 is interesting but still a gamble, we don't know if Ward will make the grade either. I hope Klopp is being coy and keeping his options open.

PutneyRed

1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:52:14
Or it could be that Klopp wants rid of Mignolet and then have Karius as no 1, Ward no 2 and Manninger no 3.

If Karius is not going to get a proper shot at being no 1 then obviously we will not know whether he is the answer and signing a new keeper may not be the answer either unless he is given more than a handful of games to prove himself? So best solution in this situation is to give Karius a chance.


2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:53:11
The problem is not the keeper but the lack of DM and a decent defence.

Both are decent and Karius should be given more time (and patience from the so called fans) .


3.) 12 Mar 2017 13:59:23
Karius is our No.1 from the day we signed him and it has not changed due his bad performances.


4.) 12 Mar 2017 19:26:12
Interesting that our "number 1" can't get in the team.
He's clearly not "number 1" at the moment.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 20:39:09
Ron, Mignolet will be number one till the end of the season. Let's see whether he is going to be happy when he is sitting on the bench start of next season.

Klopp made a mistake to bring back Mignolet but it seems like it will work in his favour. It could be that Klopp tells him he should find another club once the season has ended. No number 1 wants to be told that. Ed002 has said on quite a few occasions that the club want rid and that Karius was signed to be no 1.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 21:01:20
How can he be "number 1" yet dropped for months?
He's back up to Mignolet, Klopp rates Mignolet higher.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp told Karius, Mignolet and the World that Karius is number one.}


7.) 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59
What can he say with 10 games left? "My goalies are awful, I want new ones"?

But old Jürgen is shrewd, and with Migs doing ok he can count on a pretty penny should he decide to sell, if the right keeper is available to replace him or if Karius is seen as settled.

If Karius needs more time or no really great keeper comes available Migs will be a decent option next year too.


8.) 13 Mar 2017 00:14:24
Karius is our number 1 the same way Sakho is our number 3.
Doesn't mean he's first choice.


9.) 13 Mar 2017 07:12:09
Clearly Karius is our no 1, that's the number on the back of his kit! Lol.


10.) 13 Mar 2017 13:34:22
So some think that mignolet is only being played in the first team to put him on the transfer market? I'm not so sure about that although it's an unlikely probability. I think Klopp is just taking the more practical approach, Karius did not settle well, and has been shaky with a number of the opportunities he had been given at the start of the season. Mignolet who was the more experienced premier league goal keeper was the only one he could turn to, not ideal by any stretch but a better option for goalkeeper at the time. Whilst we would never know if Karius would have been better in goal given the same games, mignolet has done alright. I wouldn't be surprised at either outcome in the summer, however I'm just not convinced by either of them. I think Karius was a poor choice to begin with but I think we decided to build a keeper rather than buy an established one which is a mistake we keep making, a never ending loop of purchasing players with potential that either never live up to it or never get the chance.


11.) 14 Mar 2017 06:39:50
No top keeper is going to sign for LFC, especially with Real sniffing round and add in City likely to be shopping around. So the choice is buy a second tier or a younger one with some experience, lots of potential and the understanding will need to bring him through. I thought the latter was why Karius was signed.


12.) 14 Mar 2017 12:40:21
Freshst- there is more than one top keeper in the world. They won't all sign for Real. City have already bought Bravo, are they going to ditch him?


13.) 14 Mar 2017 16:37:48
If de Gea moves to Real you can expect united to throw money at a replacement. Ditto Courtois leaving Chelsea or Loris leaving Spurs. Just my view but I see City looking for another keeper in summer as well. Hart seems to be saying he doesn't expect to be there and Bravos hasn't worked out.


 

 

10 Jan 2017 16:34:54
Hi Ed2, there are reports that Liverpool have set a price for Sakho's sale (effectively getting their outlay back) . Is the interest in Sakho high enough that clubs will pay a large fee or is it more likely that Liverpool will end up accepting a nominal fee to get him off the books?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I would think the answer is between the two. Liverpool want to sell rather than loan Sakho to another side. Sevilla and, perhaps, Roma may well seek a loan to buy deal for Sakho in January but the issue will be his wages. Sevilla remain interested but I understand Liverpool want to sell rather than loan him out and the asking price is seen to be very high indeed. Roma's interest will be there if they lose a centre back in January but are resisting the temptation to commit to buying a replacement at this time and want to take Sakho on loan. Besiktas and Galatasaray are not of interest to the player. Lyes Ghilas and Niakate Housseyni have both been spoken to by the club and they should be looking for a new home for the player but for now Housseyni is insistant that Sakho stays and if that is the case he will no doubt be spending his time looking for the deal that suits them and not Liverpool for the summer. Housseyni has been told that the club expect to recover their investment in him. Ghilas offered the player to a representative of Marseilles whilst they were both at meetings with Chelsea but they have no interest in him. Stoke have discussed a loan with his agent but have said they would need to have Liverpool pay half his wages. The player has said that he wants a high-end side and that will likely rule out any interest from the player in clubs such as West Brom and West Ham who have both enquired with Housseyni. If Southampton were to lose both van Dijk and Fonte during January then they might also consider a loan. So it is a case of looking to a deal with Sevilla or Southampton and perhaps being more reasonable about the price and not demanding £20M or so.}


1.) 11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 13 Jan 2017 00:38:05
And that ladies and gentlemen is why this site rocks. Ed02.take a bow son. what a reply.


 

 

 

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24 Apr 2017 14:26:11
This is to those who are saying we’re now going to miss out on the top 4, I know that yesterday was a disappointment and we’ve all had a bit of a kneejerk but you’ve suffered a massive over reaction, we’re still in the driving seat and we’re still likely to qualify for the CL.

Whilst there are no absolutes 75 points will probably be enough and that’s only three wins away. Arsenal have three games in hand but they’re against a resurgent Leicester, Spurs and Utd, they’re not going to take 9 points from those games so they won’t catch us unless we collapse.

Utd are away for 4 of their final 6 games including City, Arsenal and Spurs, they also have to suffer Palace and Allardyce enjoys few things more than getting one over Mourinho, they are going to drop points. City will probably finish above us but third or fourth is much of a muchness and that wouldn’t bother me. We still have work to do to get top four but it’s work we’re should expect to manage.

PutneyRed

1.) 24 Apr 2017 14:42:14
Agreed. Very frustrating but let's move on. Hopefully Lallana and Hendo and dare I say sturridge are available in the coming games.


2.) 24 Apr 2017 15:19:24
yes, we have to move on, one game at a time, Hendo I think will not play again this season, Sturridge won't get much game time, Lallana will play, but for me, we are playing for 4th or 5th place, do Klopp and the team have the bottle to make top four, or have we blown it, when it comes down to having to win every game, its much more difficult .


3.) 24 Apr 2017 15:45:19
Well done Putney. A good post that displays a sensible perspective.


4.) 24 Apr 2017 15:57:42
Good to see an uplifting post, still quietly confident that we will get top 4, united have several tough games left and also have europa league which will affect their league form hopefully. Top 4 is massive for us as we will be able to attract much needed quality players especially in our defence who are making their best effort to derail our top 4 hopes.


5.) 24 Apr 2017 18:08:11
I think United getting to the UEFA final may see them playing weakened teams in their last couple of games which may help us out in our quest 4th place. I think we need 10 points from 12 really, yesterday was a big defeat for us really, very frustrating.


6.) 24 Apr 2017 19:50:17
I'd feel more confident if our last 4 games were against Chelsea, Spurs, City and Utd.

Those are the games where we come out of the traps fighting from the first minute. They also give us more space to play.

When we play lower teams we start at a poor tempo, passing endlessly from side to side and never get into the game until it's too late.


 

 

13 Apr 2017 23:15:04
So after my consensus question yesterday I've done a quick tally and here's the snapshot of this site's summer transfer priorities:

1. CB - The most popular choice by a margin. It may be that we're all missing Sakho but no one seems satisfied with our current arrangements.

2. LB - Just pips GK, no one made it their top priority but pretty much everyone thinks we need one this summer.

3. GK - Has Migs improved or are people resigned to the idea that we won't go into the transfer market again after just one year? Those who think we do need one made it a high priority.

4. DM - Lots of people think we need one but few made it a high priority.

5. LW - Enough people added this to the bottom of their list to give it the number 5 spot but it suggests no one's particularly excited that Brandt is our rumoured 'marquee' target.

6. St - The last position to get significant consideration, we need three fit strikers and we only have 2 right now.

I was surprised that only one person specifically mentioned RB but I assume all those who are dissatisfied with Clyne assume TAA will take his place next year.

PutneyRed

1.) 13 Apr 2017 23:59:05
I'd hope we sign Brandt, Keita, Tah, Lacazette and Pereira. That's a winger, CM, CB, CF and full back, all achievable and Lacazette aside, won't cost the earth.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 03:03:37
I got for Douglas Costa he would fit our style more than Brandt.


3.) 14 Apr 2017 08:36:08
Putney, happy that you did not mention any potential player names who might sign for us as it makes me cringe when I see names like Lacazette who clearly will not be joining Liverpool in the summer. Think it is fair to say that by the end of the season and with CL football on the horizon (fingers crossed) our targets could change.

CB, RB, LB, CM and another pacey forward would do for me.

I honestly do not see Mignolet leaving unless we strike it lucky and get another club to take over his lucrative contract.

With Hendo having a long term problem with his feet which will likely see him sidelined more often, we need another quality anchor man.

Our defence surely is going to be number one priority? If we persist with our current defence next season we will continue to leak goals.

At the end of the day, whoever we sign, they will need to be first team ready and upgrades on the players who leave.


4.) 14 Apr 2017 09:22:23
I'd ask the same questions though. We signed Karius as a guy with potential, the fans turned on him really quickly, what younger player with potential is going to look ar LFC and think it is a good move? But then what established players who bring significantly more than the current options are viable for LFC? I'd say the club would be better picking a couple of key positions, CB seems to be a consensus, and spend big to make sure someone is bought who would be the difference between 4-6 and challengers. I'd rather that than buying another 5-6 guys who are no change to current squad. Maybe invest more in getting more from the current squad, better GK coaching not just wish listing a new keeper every year or so.


5.) 14 Apr 2017 14:36:02
I'd put LB first on my shopping list. A top, top LB would see us get even more out of Coutinho. Milner could then rotate or add depth to the midfield.


6.) 14 Apr 2017 14:27:36
There is absolutely no need of buying anymore young keeper / players. The club should focus on experienced players. What we lack is experience in the team. All this future looking bright is a dumb idea when you aren't doing well in present. We have enough young players at the club in the form of academy and first team.


7.) 14 Apr 2017 15:25:51
I still think we need a new GK and general Defence coaching team! That would be my priority.


8.) 14 Apr 2017 16:50:09
Acheampong of Anderlecht or Gnabry of Bremen are better deals.


9.) 14 Apr 2017 23:05:51
I've wanted Douglas Costa for years, since shahktar but ever since he moved to Bayern I resigned myself to the fact that it's never happening.


 

 

12 Apr 2017 16:32:22
Interested in the consensus, what positions are your priorities for this summer (either as transfer or promotion from the junior ranks) . Justify your choices if you’d like but do it in the context of improving the team rather than specific player deficiencies. Make number 1 your highest priority.

CB – A stable CB pair playing 80%+ of the season will go a long way to rectify our defensive frailties.
DM – A dedicated DM (in their prime) will give us a tactical flexibility the team currently does not possess and allow player rotation in a congested schedule.
LB – Identify the player who will be Liverpool’s LB for the next 5 seasons or longer.
LW – A position we are deficient in in the first team squad.
St - The team needs a third option who's fitness is reliable.

PutneyRed

1.) 12 Apr 2017 16:45:31
My priority would definitely be the CBs. I cannot bear the thought of another Bournemouth costing us a cup, league or top 4 in the future. Completely different styles of play, but our recent successful teams have been built around a solid CB pairing who pick themselves when fit - Hyppia and Henchoz, or Carra.

If I were to rank the rest:

1) CB - as above
2) LB - could do with getting full backs sorted, and TAA will do RB
3) ST - Having a fully firing Studge would be awesome
4) LW - kinda sits with ST for me as we tend to play a fluid front 3
5) DM - Even without Hendo, I think we have enough with Can, Wini, Lallana, Grujic to come, and even Couts back in midfield. Have a solid CB pairing will take some defensive pressure off the MF.


2.) 12 Apr 2017 17:27:19
1) CB - someone who actually knows how to organise a defence and can defend when under pressure. We might have the best attack but our defending can be woeful.

2) LB - Milner has been pretty decent but a quality LB would definitely be an upgrade. With Coutinho cutting in most of the time, having some width provided by a left footer who can ping in first time crosses would be fantastic.

3) GK - Migs has come in and done an alright job this season, but would love to see Karius actually get a proper chance as No. 1. Maybe this time, the fans could also actually give him some support rather than destroy his confidence after a couple of iffy games.

4) DM - I love Hendo, but there's a big question about his fitness and injuries. With Lucas looking likely to be leaving, maybe Stewart can be given a chance? If not, we may have to look to buy a replacement.

5) LW - Brandt (and Brahimi) has been looked at and considered, and I think it would be a good idea to have someone who can provide a different dimension to our attack. Especially against teams that sit deep, we could look at dropping Coutinho into a deeper role alongside Wijnaldum/ Lallana so we can mix it up with more pace and creativity.


3.) 12 Apr 2017 17:45:36
1) Goalkeeper
2) centre back to replace Klavan
3) left back.


4.) 12 Apr 2017 17:59:08
Thing is that the best centre back pairings have a solid midfield in front of them to take the pressure off, so maybe having someone who can stick their boot in and do some dirty work would help.


5.) 12 Apr 2017 18:14:13
Goalkeeper is a must, but i fear klopp will be stubborn and stick with karius rather than make him understudy a top class keeper.

CB to partner Matip and or Lovren, klavan should be back up to our backup which will be jo3 gomez.

LB to either be first choice or as it seems we will go down the youth route if I have gotten that right from reading down the page.

I don't think we necessarily need a DM but if Can goes a midfielder with vision who can also control a game would be welcomed.

Other attacking options will be luxury additions for me, but if as i suspect coutinho goes to Barcelona i don't expect further additions on top of brandt as the owners will no doubt ensure we have another window where sales outstrip expenditure.


6.) 12 Apr 2017 19:36:06
The most important thing as that we get at least two more players good enough for the first team, and have a strong winning mentality and a bit of leadership so they let some of the big-time Charlies around them phone it in when we're playing the likes of Hull or Swansea.

It's no good signing an entire new back 4 and keeper who are world class against Chelsea and Man City, but then doze off when they're playing whoever's in 15th place. Or in 12 months time we will be in the exact same position we are in now.


7.) 12 Apr 2017 19:39:49
* so they won't let. Ooops.


8.) 12 Apr 2017 20:06:00
Centre back, Fullback, GK, Winger - done.


9.) 12 Apr 2017 20:41:09
So everyone saying GK who is the top class keeper that is going to move to LFC? And why won't they get the same rubbish thrown at them as Karius, rated second best in Germany, gets on here?


10.) 12 Apr 2017 21:10:29
Centre back - a top class one and not Heaton or Gibson as I don't see any value in either them given the 'English Premium'.

Left back - Milner isn't a long term solution, no disrespect to him, so I think that this is a bit of a priority.

Striker - Sturridge is probably going so we'll need to replace him (Shame really because I like Studge) .

Centre Defensive midfielder- a centre midfielder who has a bit of defensive nous and can pass the ball would be nice.

Winger - a decent winger to give us more pace and guile out wide.

Unless we can bag ourselves a proper top class keeper, I don't see the point in bringing one in, neither Pickford nor Ruffier are better than Mignolet or Karius so it would be throwing good money to bad. Would also be disappointed if we wasted valuable resources on Oxlade-Chamberlain too as he's just Stewart Downing mk2 only with added injuries.


11.) 12 Apr 2017 20:57:17
Butland - because he can catch.


12.) 12 Apr 2017 21:06:23
GK - Comanding GK is easily the first buy. Any commanding GK will make defenders at least 10% better with confidence, let alone digging them out of a tight/ pressured situation.

CB - A CB with true leadership that can take over as captian. Hendo is a good player but not a true captain that I believe is needed.

CDM - A true ball winning midfielder who knows his role, win it and pass it simple to the lads who can create.

ST - Honestly a Sturridge mold that is willing to work at least 20% harder. If sturridge could keep fit then the above would be the lot.

No more that 3/ 4 players who will improve first 11.


13.) 12 Apr 2017 21:10:37
Goalkeeper (don't think it will happen as Klopp won't want to give up on Karius), centre back, left back, would say right back but hopefully TAA will get more game time. Centre mid and a striker. The squad needs more especially with European football of some sort coming.


14.) 12 Apr 2017 23:03:31
Pre injuries Butland was on fire for that season, he needed a full season to show if that was a purple patch or his level. I honestly don't see what would come in and be genuinely better. Would make more sense to me to put intense work in with Karius than spend money needed in other areas.


15.) 13 Apr 2017 05:17:15
1) Only glaring weakness IMO is CB - we need one we can build a partnership with Matip long term, and while Lovren is decent we need one to challenge him and Klavan is just 5yrds off the pace and not a long term solution. I wouldn't even mind if we kept Klavan for rotation in cups and to cover potential injuries for another 6-12 months until Gomez has proven his fitness again.

Aside from that, I'd expect the rest of the first team to remain fairly unchanged but there are a few potential improvements and tweaks I'd be happy to see

2) Moreno doesn't have enough to challenge Milner and we need someone for the future - I'd like to see Periera (starter) or Sessegnon (backup)

3) we need a new forward if Sturridge goes. Would be tough for Ings who I'm sure is hoping for a shot, but too much risk to start with just Firmino and Origi, and Ings has yet to prove his fitness. I'd like to see Dembele.

4) Can looks like he is coming on better than expected but we're still exposed if Hendo is injured and we're playing in Europe every few days. I'd like to see Lucas replaced with a PL ready player who's able to add strength in depth so we have at least 5 proven midfielders + Grujic. Obiang is a decent shout but I'd love to see someone who can really dominate midfield for years (even if Hendo is therefore pushed into more of a box-to-box role) .

5) As well as he's played of late, I'm still not convinced by Migs and I'd like to see an experienced keeper come in to provide a challenge to Karius - someone like Handanovic or Ruffier happy to pass on their experience

That's departures of
Sakho, Moreno, Lucas, Sturridge, Migs

Ins of perhaps
Sule, Pereira, Obiang, Dembele, Ruffier

I know we also have Brandt lined up but to me if we get a new CF to cover Sturridge (allowing Firmino to cover wide positions if necessary) then Brandt becomes a luxury item and may even stifle the chances for Woodburn, Ojo and Wilson who look about the right time to start playing regularly.

{Ed001's Note - Sule? Why would Bayern sell him just after signing him?}


16.) 13 Apr 2017 07:38:43
To be honest I would prefer to see a new GK and Defence coaching team!


17.) 13 Apr 2017 08:46:01
Only hart and butland namned for gk. Hart isn't better than karius and butland has to prove he can get back to where he was prior injury. Id stick with karius and make him as as good as possible.
Cb - listening to exoerts van dijke seems to be favourite. Not sure he's what we need. Talented yes dicsaplined no. Ed01 doesn't rate him. So who for cb?
Left back. Kolsaniac would be great but going to milan? Perirea? ?
Lw. Brandt? Is he strong enough? Berahmi?
I also saw us linked with Talisca from benfica? Brazalian midfielder.
It looks like we are looking at germany or portugal for our signings.


18.) 13 Apr 2017 10:31:51
I can see Klopp sticking with Migs and Karius next season, one for PL and one for the CL and cups.

CD is a must-fix-area. Gomez is not quite ready, Klavan never will be. Van Dijk is not a good match for us, trust Klopp to see that. Maybe Nastasic (been some talk about him) or Gimenez of Atletico?

LB is where I'd like to see us splash the cash. True quality here and we'll get an extra 10% out of Couthino. Who though? Can't really come up with a realistic name good enough defending and going forward. Also we'd have Milner to rotate as CM aswell.

Winger/ attacker would be nice, but I'd settle for a promising youngster.

DM- maybe, another Hendo- type in that case. The Makelele-DM is outdated, have to be able to play some ball aswell.


19.) 13 Apr 2017 18:01:19
Sorry you're right Ed, don't follow the names that closely just remember Sule and Tah being highly rated options.


20.) 13 Apr 2017 20:28:16
Ed01 did mention nastasic abd he looks good now. Already got matip nastasic and kolsaniac should be good together.


 

 

02 Mar 2017 15:02:27
I'm interested to know if the consensus is that Firmino should be playing up front. The argument for him is that his style of play is crucial to our game plan, the argument against is that he doesn't score enough goals for a number 9.

I'd love to see him and Couts in the Lallana / Wiji positions behind a specialist striker (Origi / Studge/ new striker) with Mane on the right and youth/ new winger on the left. Where do you guys think Bobby should play?

PutneyRed

1.) 02 Mar 2017 16:08:30
A lot of people will disagree but i just don't get it with him to be honest. I thought this season he would kick on and apply his talents better, utilising his good touch and movement and translating that into creativity, assists and goals.

Alas, that is not the case. Ever since the robbery and drunk driving incidents he has been awful.

He has two positives, good touch and good movement as well as work rate. But does he score enough goals? No. Is he fast? No. Can he take players on and use audacious skill? No. Does he set players up? No.

In all honesty i don't think he is that great and, if he really is unsettled in the same way that di maria was for united, he should leave.


2.) 02 Mar 2017 16:27:08
I think Firmino is a good option as the number 9 against the bigger sides but when we play teams that park the bus and counter, his contribution is nullified. It has to be said that his form has been very poor since the turn of the year like the team.


3.) 02 Mar 2017 16:27:52
Yes, spot on.

We can't fault him for the work rate and it suits Klopp's style.

But he doesn't have the quality/ instincts of a striker and that is obvious to see. Really appreciate him for his hard work but it comes at a cost. Not enough goals and no starting place for Origi/ Sturridge.

But again Sturridge has become like a luxury player. So best thing for him and club is to part ways and it is obvious.

Cheers.


4.) 02 Mar 2017 16:33:44
At the start of the season I thought we would struggle without an obvious goal scoring striker. a fluid front line of Couts, Lallana, mane, bobby et all is exciting but no substitute to a recognised striker.


5.) 02 Mar 2017 16:38:05
That's our problem though loads of number tens and not much else. Klopp today hinting at a major reshuffle in the summer. It's needed.


6.) 02 Mar 2017 17:18:18
Sorry but if you don't think Firmino is skilful, you aren't watching Liverpool. Some of his audacious flicks make him the player he is.
The player you are describing however is Dirk Kuyt.


7.) 02 Mar 2017 19:18:28
I don't rate him one bit, He's shown flashes and perhaps he's in the wrong position I'm not sure, but from what i've seen I don't see how he benefits us, I'd personally prefer Origi given a consistent run down the middle with Couts and Mane either side, And someone said he's been awful since the police business, Id fully agree.


8.) 02 Mar 2017 19:36:55
He has 2 positives, good touch, good movement and good work rate. Sorry AW, that made me chuckle.


9.) 02 Mar 2017 20:03:43
You are correct WelshBoy.

He is upgrade to Kuyt. Same or little less on the work rate (we can't fault him) but much better overall skill.

However that is not resulting into goals for himself or for the team in spite of his relentless pressing.

So it begs the question -

Firminio type or Sturridge type player (style of play)

Who can give you better return at the end of day?

Cheers.


10.) 02 Mar 2017 22:13:15
I don't think our goal scoring has been the cause of our problems.


11.) 02 Mar 2017 22:30:42
Hi Ron,

Aren't we saying we are able to score if the opposition play a open game (attack us) and when they park bus by having everyone back, we can't seem to open them up at all.

Also if you see our record against higher placed teams in the league is good and it is abysmal against the bottom scrappers?

Why is Chelsea, MU or Spurs don't have problems against 15 to 20th placed teams most of the times?

Cheers.


12.) 03 Mar 2017 00:02:04
You can chuckle all you want but if you want to see his deficiencies then just look at any of the games we've ballsed up in this season, where he has either gone missing or missed a million chances. The 0-0 at southampton comes to mind.

As for his use of skill, he does one nutmeg once every 3 months. In fact he seems to score a goal every 3 months. He just isn't audacious or brash enough with the talent he has. If you want a truly skilful player then i'd point you in the direction of suarez during his time with us, even mane and coutinho take on more players in one game than firmino does all season.


13.) 02 Mar 2017 23:05:00
Too many attacking players leaving poor Henderson to break up the counter? No wonder we are conceding plenty!


14.) 02 Mar 2017 23:29:16
Anonymous, a bit harsh on the fella. Why are you giving up on him so soon? We are all frustrated with the team right now BUT let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Firmino is a wonderful player who is a nightmare for CB's which is why he eats them up alive cos CB's don't want to deal with the energy and determination he has to chase them down.

The dud is simply relentless and skill wise, very few in the PL are better at than him with the ball at his feet. Now, does he score enough goals? No. Can he improve there? Yes. But to say, he should leave is over the top, man. If we can get a striker who can doo all that he does AND score goals then he is welcome here. Till then, just be patient with him.


15.) 02 Mar 2017 23:32:53
Got to honest here, how Klopp can justify playing Firmino week in week out is beyond me. He has been awful for months.

I don't know where his future lies because he can't play anywhere else because he's even worse than he is when he's up top.


16.) 02 Mar 2017 23:36:26
I really like Firmino. He works hard, chips in with goals and his movement makes space for others. I agree he isn't creating as many goals as we would like but who do we have for him to create for? It is only really Mane moving for him. He is definitely skillful though. Probably the most skillful player we have ever had at the club in terms of audacious turns, skill moves and flicks! Even Suarez for all his ability wasn't as much of a show-man as Firmino. He just powered past people or nutmegged them! Suarez's audacity was in some of the goals and assists he attempted.

However, Firmino is in terrible form right now for sure and even at his best he is not a goal scorer. He would be absolutely perfect just behind a striker or even alongside a more natural poacher to make runs he can find. Basically as a second striker. Pining for a Lacazette, Aubameyang or Aguero is just pipe dreams though. Klopp took Lewandowski from obscurity. He took Aubameyang from nowhere. Even his original main man Lucas Barrios came from relatively nowhere. Historically he has never signed a household name. His record signings are Reus, Mkhitaryan, Gini and Mane. None of whom were really big names at the time he took them on.

Whatever Striker he signs they need to be hard working team players. That is why he likes Origi; work rate. Nobody can tell me Origi has more quality than Sturridge. He just puts in more of a shift! Arguably that is Klopp's Achilles heel as a coach. He puts a lot of emphasis on hard running to the point where it is almost more important than actual ability. Ideally, maybe Ings can get and stay fit because he would actually be the perfect player for Klopp. He has the ability and the work rate to match it.


17.) 02 Mar 2017 23:48:55
I would take a kuyt over firminio anyday. If kuyt had gotten to play upfront as many times as firminio he would of shone. However his work rate was superb. and I doubt you would find any supporter, even a manc to say he wasn't 1 of the premiership biggest grafters. And to be honest he still is for feyernord.


18.) 02 Mar 2017 23:23:07
He brings more to the game than being a striker. What he does naturally suits Klopp's style whereas what Sturridge brings naturally doesn't.

But whether he is worth 29 million is another question

Maybe if he had a Costa or Suarez alongside him as a front 2 it'd be better but them 2 would improve any player.


19.) 03 Mar 2017 01:48:40
Is no player safe?
Firmino has been one of our best players this season. He had struggled when he has zero service. Every player has gone missing at some stage this season, where was Mane against Leicester?
Firmino would be 3rd from bottom of my list of players who need replacing.


20.) 03 Mar 2017 08:30:31
Firmino has had no service the ball keeps getting lumped up to him. It's not going to stick. It's no coincidence that his form is bad ATM who's isn't that's in the side? He needs ball to feet and players to make runs. We're having a really bad patch and not playing with confidence and with short quick passing which is where he shines. One twos and flicks to bring others into play. While I agree he's not a natural finisher the pockets he creates by going deep and the amount of times he wins the ball back high up the pitch is integral to our good play. Can't believe people on here saying he's not v good? If we did play a striker up top then I wouldn't mind trying him in lallanas position because I think he's better and offers more bite in the tackle.


21.) 03 Mar 2017 09:38:58
And are you telling me a striker who also scores more goals, is faster, taller, stronger and assits other players wouldn't do better? I really do feel people have developed the same complex they had with joe allen and only look and the minority of positives to his game rather than the glaring deficiencies.

What other top club in the world justifies the selection of their centre forward because they work hard and make good runs? You make him sound like a glorified shane long. Other top clubs have centre forwards that get stuck in pull goals out of nowhere when the chips are down. Firmino is a luxury player who, like joe allen, only contributes when the rest of the team is playing well.

Also, i didn't say we should sell him, although i should have known better to make a comment like that and it not to get jumped upon. My point simply is that im sick of players without personality or heart. Running round like a headless chicken for me is not heart, prioritising perfecting your smile and instagram account is not heart. That comes from looking at yourself, and the team around you, and pushing yourself and your colleagues to be better and improve, which firmino has not done in the almost 2 seasons he has been here, despite being at peak age. I'm willing to give him more time if klopp believes he deserves it but, if he is unsettled and wants to go to psg or whatever then he can, get someone in with a bit of passion, i won't be upset as he is replacable.


22.) 03 Mar 2017 14:49:35
First of all, the older fans will know how important Kuyt was to our team, he was a great player week in week out, I do like Firmino, and he should stay, but he does go missing in games and gives the ball away far to easily, maybe he needs a break, and take the subs bench for a week or two, to wake him up .


23.) 03 Mar 2017 14:15:35
Firmino is bloody good but he cannot play anywhere else which is a worry. At the same time some demand a world class striker coz Firmino isn't clinical enough.
Not sure what happens with Firmino if we sign a new striker. A bench role probably?


24.) 03 Mar 2017 14:35:48
It doesn't matter what his name is or what he brings. If he is leading the line then he should score at least 20 every season. Hard work is not the only criteria to play as a striker.


25.) 03 Mar 2017 15:05:02
Reswills

He is absolutely terrible out wide left or right. He is at his best in between defenders where he makes space for runs. His movement in and around the 6 yard box is his best attribute. But he is not a natural striker hence he miss infinite chances! He can't function as a winger and never would be one. He has no pace what so ever.

The reality is we can't shift him from up top and that is an issue given his goals return is very poor to consider him as a striker. He works hard but that's not a mandatory to be a world class striker. He isn't a striker in the first place!


26.) 03 Mar 2017 14:37:38
for the last few months Booby's been pretty much up front on his own and has had very little support, Mane away on AFCON duty then when back spending too much time dropping deep or too wide, Coutinho out injured then struggling for form and like Mane dropping very deep to get the ball.

Lallana suffering from a massive drop in form and being asked to play a position we know he's struggled with (replacing Mane) whilst he's been with us the moment, Sturridge always going wide or deep and playing outside of the box, Origi being played sporadically and struggling for form.

Personally think in order to get the best out of Bobby we need to switch to 4-4-2 and bring in a deadly finisher who plays predominantly in the box, Bobby is a perfect No10 and yes he can pay the lone role and can do a great job leading the line, but if the rest of the team aren't backing him up then he's next to useless.


27.) 03 Mar 2017 16:04:22
Bloody hell.

Are any of our players good enough?!

Because if we're now saying Firmimo isn't up to it then essentially nobody we have is. I agree he has been poor since the turn of the year but newsflash so has everyone. Not one players has had a good 2017.


28.) 03 Mar 2017 19:44:26
Good player, simply not a striker. Yes we have generally been playin better with him as the number 9. But he's number 10 in my view all day long. Him and lallana coutinho should be competing for those one/ two spots in the midfield and play proper wingers and strikers in their natural position.


29.) 03 Mar 2017 19:56:02
I agree with you there, Scarface. Puzzled Red, none of our players are safe anymore even those who have performed for us earlier in the season and/ or are still giving their all for the cause. If a physical and skilful beast like Bobby is not safe then, might as well sell everyone cos nobody in the LFC team can do what Bobbie can week in, week out with his skill, physicality, movement and energy.

None! Yet some of these fans are still pining for Studge to start games without naming one reason why he should start ahead of Firmino or Origi. What has happened to some of the fans of this great club?


30.) 04 Mar 2017 23:57:45
Just wouldn't get anywhere near a place in that team.

He was a compromise signing as was Voronin.
The club was nearly bankrupted.


 

 

28 Feb 2017 11:11:46
We’re on the verge of having the most ridiculous season of two halves. After 19 games we were averaging 2.3 points per game, our defence was average conceding 1.1 goals a game but this was more than made up for by our stellar scoring record of 2.4 goals a game. After the City game we were out on our own in second and, although we were 6 points behind Chelsea that was more a reflection of Chelsea’s stellar season than any shortcomings we had. Then we just fell apart.
In 2017 we have played 7 league games winning just once. Our points per game has dropped to 0.9 (literally relegation form), our defence has imploded conceding 1.7 a game and this has been compounded by the goals drying up (we’re scored just 1.3 goals a game this year) . There are a few mitigating factors, Lovren’s injury and Mane’s African cup adventure are the obvious ones, but nothing that comes close to explaining such a dramatic loss of form.
Looking at these numbers it has occurred to me that there are big echoes of the 14-15 season right now. We tend to forget that we went through three very specific phases that season. We started badly and only managed 14 points in our first 12 games. We then went through a stunning run of 17 games where we racked up 40 points before imploding for the last 9 adding just 8 more points. For those who scoff at this comparison know that if we don’t win 2 out of our next 3 games we will fall below Rodgers points tally at the same point of that season.
Rodgers’ team imploded after teams figured out the weakness in his three man defence, Klopp’s team has imploded after teams have worked out how to nullify his high press. Rodgers never again managed to get the team playing well and it cost him his job. Klopp is not close to the sack but if he can’t find a way to improve the team’s form then he will go into next season under immense pressure. FSG backed Rodgers heavily in Summer 15 and received little for their investment, they may be hesitant to do the same again for Klopp if there’s no sign of improvement between now and May.
Make no mistake, for the first time Klopp’s future is not assured, he was supposed to be a big upgrade on Rodgers but, whilst performances have improved, results have not. The next three months are going to be a huge challenge for him, fix the problems and qualify for the CL and this blip will be forgotten, slip out of the top 6 and he will be clinging on for dear life.

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1.) 28 Feb 2017 12:38:38
We have 4 home games in the next 5. Vitality important that you guys that can make the games, channel all your frustrations into support for whoever wears the red shirt.
I am too far away to go but will get up in the middle of the night and will risk the wrath of the wife if I'm in another bad mood. So for the sake of my marital harmony, LIverpool, put that ball in the back of net, defend like your lives depended on it and give us red fans a weekend where we love watching the highlights, love staring at the league table hypothesising and can have a week off from posting on this banter page.


2.) 28 Feb 2017 14:32:53
The players know they won't win the league this season now so are not putting in the effort anymore.


3.) 28 Feb 2017 14:22:31
Klopp has had 3 windows already and had 2 CM's in that back 4 yesterday. Someone is at blame, not FSG.
The worst part is this will give a good go for the supporters at FSG. They will rip FSG into pieces if they don't spend heavily on the summer.


4.) 28 Feb 2017 14:40:51
Someone has to explain to me why Gomez is touted as the next Carra when he isn't getting ahead of Lucas who is certain to move in summer? I mean how dumb is that? Playing a sure certain departure and benching a future star who need games.

Does Klopp actually rate Gomez?


5.) 28 Feb 2017 15:35:28
The difference between Carra and Gomez is age. Its pretty rare for 19 year old to be a go to starter. Also, you are forgetting that Lucas has been much lauded in his makeshift CB role over his last few performances. He had a bad, bad night, as did a number of our players and our manager too.

I'm still gutted, but not prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid some of that bathwater does need throwing out zeddicus, its contaminating the clean water and making the cohesion of the side very muddy indeed mate..


6.) 28 Feb 2017 16:34:17
Would agree with the bathwater, 25, but I'd like to hang on to the baby (i. e. Klopp)!

{Ed025's Note - i still firmly believe klopp is the man zeddicus, but he will need time to sort out some of this under performing mess that are these players, i just hope hes given time or its back to square one mate..


7.) 28 Feb 2017 17:43:36
" i just hope he's given time or its back to square one mate"

Amen.


8.) 28 Feb 2017 17:55:52
Zeddicus

I agree your views on the age factor. But you do realize we don't send players on loan, nor we play them at Liverpool. Klopp is already famous for late subs which means there no minutes for these players. How are they ever going to show thier potential? A 30 year old Midfielder at the back ahead of a young 19 year old actual CB?

How is Davies starting regularly at Everton? 18 years ain't he? Established CM there.


9.) 28 Feb 2017 17:50:37
The only problem really is the fans expectations. They have been raised by a manager who has taken a decidedly average bunch and turned them into world beaters for half a season at least. Sadly the complacency that one gets from rewarding players for achieving absolutely nothing has become a problem on top of the lack or real depth in the squad as january proved.

Klopp has not helped himself by playing players out of position or out of form players instead of trusing in one or two youngsters who will have greater desire to prove themeselves. One such example is stewart who is the natural understudy to henderson who was injured. Or Taa for clyne who has been woeful for a month or two. But alas he is on a double edged sword, because if they come in and don't perform he still gets criticised but i would respect him more for making those hard decisions.

Ultimately its still just a game and no one has died so we just need a little perspective here. Klopp will need to shop in the leadership store in the summer if he really wants to win anything with this group though. You get it from hendo but i was not surprised by last nights result when i heard the news he was out. A couple of players with the strength of character to lift the heads of people around them when it gets a little bit tough for the poor wee dears lol.


10.) 28 Feb 2017 20:19:08
More importantly, Gomez has not long returned from an ACL injury, in case you've been under a rock.
Klopp is handling him perfectly, in order to sustain his long term career and he's called out for it? Absolute joke!
Also, when Milner was performing brilliantly and Lucas was lauded for his displays at CB, Klopp was hailed a genius for his foresight to change their positions.
Now he's "playing 2 midfielders out of position? " What, like he's done all season?
Swear to God, some of you have got shorter memories than Dory!


 

 

 

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Because arsenal won one of the three matches they have to win to catch us? What do you get out of writing a post like that? Are you so desperate to call yourself smart that you wish failure on a team you apparently support?

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I applaud your enthusiasm but he's scored 9 in 35 games. Those goals do add up to 1 every 167 minutes which is a decent return.

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Well played ST.

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29 Mar 2017 16:11:11
Hjikle, I think you've been caught out making a massive assumption. We conceded a lot more goals with Sakho in the team than without. When he started in the league we conceded 1.5 a game, that dropped to 1.2 when he didn't play.

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I mean play in one of the Wiji/ Lallana positions. I think he'd be more effective there dictating play.

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28 Apr 2017 12:30:53
It suggests we're not looking at CBs this summer which is a concern but it's actually great news for Gomez. It means Klopp's happy with his options with Lovren and Matip first choice and Gomez as the understudy. If it works out it means Gomez is seen as the long term solution to our issues at CB.

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27 Apr 2017 10:42:36
Carroll scored a few and we made some money back. Surely Ballotelli is up there.

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Allardyce is responsible for CP's change in fortunes, they did pretty well yesterday without Sakho.

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Harry anybody except KK it seems.

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20 Apr 2017 00:05:45
Mane had already cemented himself as our most important player. He gets the award all week and twice on Sundays.

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