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10 Jan 2017 16:34:54
Hi Ed2, there are reports that Liverpool have set a price for Sakho's sale (effectively getting their outlay back) . Is the interest in Sakho high enough that clubs will pay a large fee or is it more likely that Liverpool will end up accepting a nominal fee to get him off the books?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I would think the answer is between the two. Liverpool want to sell rather than loan Sakho to another side. Sevilla and, perhaps, Roma may well seek a loan to buy deal for Sakho in January but the issue will be his wages. Sevilla remain interested but I understand Liverpool want to sell rather than loan him out and the asking price is seen to be very high indeed. Roma's interest will be there if they lose a centre back in January but are resisting the temptation to commit to buying a replacement at this time and want to take Sakho on loan. Besiktas and Galatasaray are not of interest to the player. Lyes Ghilas and Niakate Housseyni have both been spoken to by the club and they should be looking for a new home for the player but for now Housseyni is insistant that Sakho stays and if that is the case he will no doubt be spending his time looking for the deal that suits them and not Liverpool for the summer. Housseyni has been told that the club expect to recover their investment in him. Ghilas offered the player to a representative of Marseilles whilst they were both at meetings with Chelsea but they have no interest in him. Stoke have discussed a loan with his agent but have said they would need to have Liverpool pay half his wages. The player has said that he wants a high-end side and that will likely rule out any interest from the player in clubs such as West Brom and West Ham who have both enquired with Housseyni. If Southampton were to lose both van Dijk and Fonte during January then they might also consider a loan. So it is a case of looking to a deal with Sevilla or Southampton and perhaps being more reasonable about the price and not demanding £20M or so.}


1.) 11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 13 Jan 2017 00:38:05
And that ladies and gentlemen is why this site rocks. Ed02.take a bow son. what a reply.


 

 

 

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20 Jan 2017 17:33:07
We often talk about how players do and don't work in certain systems which begs the question, should the system be designed to suit the players or should the players that most suit the system be picked? For Liverpool 13/ 14 is a great example of the former, Rodgers set up to get the best out of Suarez. Klopp, however, picks the system first and then gets the players to adapt to it.

At City the rumour is that Aguero can leave as Guardiola doesn't think he fits but Aguero is debatably the best striker in Premier League history, surely the manger should adapt to get such a good player into his team?

Thoughts?

PutneyRed

1.) 20 Jan 2017 18:34:14
Aguero isn't even "arguably" the best striker in premier league history .

{Ed025's Note - compared to suarez hes a no mark mate..


2.) 20 Jan 2017 19:07:10
To your original point however I am a massive advicate for bringing in players that will suit your system. Purely because the system is essentially your identiry yea? So then establishing an identity to me is one of the first steps in develooing the club and then you need the right players to deliver that.

I think you need flexibility too in terms of tactics etc - defending when you need to, long ball when you HAVE TO and so forth. But that our primary system is etablished!


3.) 20 Jan 2017 19:00:43
I truly do not believe BR set anything up intentionally to suit anyone. He stumbled across lightening in a bottle midway thru that title run and then the next season he REEEEALLY showed his ineptitude and inability to develop an identity with the players he had once suarez left.


 

 

16 Jan 2017 16:06:53
Hi Ed2, not sure if this is something you'd like to comment on but do you think it's likely that Liverpool will sort out this Matip issue or will he have to wait until the end of AFCON?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I depends where the issue rests - if the Secretary did what was necessary then the onus is on the country who should have been chased if they did not provide acknowledgement. It is very simple.}


1.) 16 Jan 2017 16:25:55
Thanks Ed2, apologies for repeating a common question.

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}


2.) 16 Jan 2017 16:28:23
It seems pretty clear this process was not followed. Klopp is quoted as saying "Our understanding is that Joel is retired. " - He has either officially retired, or he hasn't. There should be no grey area here. My guess/ assumption is that he hasn't officially retired, more asked not to be selected. In which case, Cameroon are entitled to dig their heels in. It's a real shame and disappointing this has been managed so poorly

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure how you can conclude that given what is known and what The AP were told by FIFA; it seems to be no more than speculation. If Klipperty pops along to see the Secretary then he could find out exactly the situation.}


3.) 16 Jan 2017 17:22:17
My point exactly old bean. Merely a guess/ assumption on my part. If, as you say, the Secretary had informed Cameroon, the situation is clear and we could play Matip without fear of reprisals. If not, then he will not be available until the end of the tournament (+5 days)


4.) 16 Jan 2017 17:33:13
Ed, does it matter that he was not named in the final squad? Or the fact that he initially refused the call up mean it remains an issue?

{Ed002's Note - TRy not to complicate something which I have already explained clearly. No conjecture, nothing.}


 

 

09 Jan 2017 15:48:26
A question for Ed01 if he fancies it. I've been having a think about two of our better prospects from recent years who are no longer at the club, Suso and Sterling. I was surprised to see that they're having remarkably similar seasons in terms of goals and assists and I was wondering if you have an opinion over which is the better player? Going on little more than the highlight reel and my limited memories Sterling's game seems based on his pace, tenacity and close control whilst Suso seems more cultured with more flow to his dribbling and a better range of passing. Do you think either would get into our first 11 or do you think we've grown beyond them? (let's ignore Sterling's attitude problem if we can)

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - Sterling was faster but Suso was much better in every area of the game. He was so much more technically adept than Sterling, loved to get stuck in and had a beautiful first touch at times. Suso needed to go to get the chances, as he was short and not lightning quick in a country that still favours physicality over technicality. He would certainly make a great option to play in midfield or one of the forward positions, especially during the absence of Lallana and Coutinho. However I do not think he would have commanded a first choice place yet.}


1.) 09 Jan 2017 18:35:55
I rekpn suso had it all but that his body needed to catch up with his technique. He also didn't have the engine to play centrally for us serie A is a really good fit for him


2.) 09 Jan 2017 20:54:45
I think Sterling. Sterlings game has changed a lot since the hype surrounding him and as he sought to find something to differentiate him from the other forwards at City in a positive light, which has ultimately left him as a Walcott mK2 - all pace and little else. From what I saw of them when they were first getting regular games (Sterling first full season with us and Suso at Almeria - which granted was a lot less than I saw Sterling) I think Sterling had the potential to go further.

However I think the reason Ibe hasn't gone further already is all in his head


3.) 09 Jan 2017 21:30:47
Any chance of getting him back in the summer?

{Ed001's Note - which one? Though the word no would apply anyway.}


 

 

09 Jan 2017 16:58:35
I've just noticed something really annoying about this season. We're doing great, we're on course for north of 80 points which is title challenging form but there's a worst case scenario that has us in fifth and just two points ahead of sixth by Sunday night. Why is this annoying (beyond the fact that we could be out of the top 4)? Because 5th and 6th are doing much, much better than the trend of the last decade.

After 20 games the average points of the 5th placed team over the previous decade was 35.3, Arsenal are on 41. Utd in 6th have 39 compared to the average of 33.2. In any normal year top 4 would be practically assured and we'd be focusing purely on the title, this year, not so much. Bloody 2016 ☹

PutneyRed

{Ed025's Note - that reminds me..i must go out and buy myself a new anorak... cheers putney.. :)


1.) 09 Jan 2017 17:24:27
Ha ha eds, that's a good one for an evertonian 😂. I do see where you're coming from though Putney, the only good thing is it is in our own hands, you can ask for nothing more than that I suppose.


2.) 09 Jan 2017 18:24:53
But a win on Sunday would make that picture look a whole lot better!


3.) 09 Jan 2017 20:14:44
I feel your pain Putney. But look at it this way, the teams we are ahead at the beginning of the season, looked far better than us, spent more mony than us overall and we were not even supposed to get a sniff at even 5th based on these factors, by the media and even a subset of our own fans.

Hence the fact that we are where we are now whith pretty much half of the squad BR left Klopp (whom many thought were crap and needed to be booted out of the club) along with strategic signings like Matip and Mane as well as coaching successes in Milner, Lallana, Origi and Hendo, should be a great sign of how far Klopp has led us to get to where we are. Sure, things could be a lot better but any of the top 6 can say that as well.

Bottom line is that we are 2nd with the best attack in the PL and with a better defence compared to the one under BR, and a position where very few people (myself included) expected us to be in so we should enjoy it and roll up our sleeves for the 2nd half of the season cos it`s going to get feisty till the very end. Up The Pool!


4.) 09 Jan 2017 17:47:55
Ed, numbers are my thing, they make the world make sense :)

{Ed025's Note - and there is nothing wrong with that putney, myself its ale, birds, gambling and ciggies...so if your ever having a party mate...im busy.. :)


5.) 09 Jan 2017 20:55:51
Really Ed025? I know some numbers based drinking games you'll love!

{Ed025's Note - now thats my kind of mathematics hjikle..


6.) 09 Jan 2017 22:41:14
Hamilton red, what a lad of rubbish, that you weren't even supposed to be top 5. You have spent hundreds of millions over the last decade in the premier league, and you have a supposed world class manager, who had 9 months last season to bed in. This year you had the advantage of a manager who had a season to adjust, and no midweek European football in comparison to the rest of us. When will you ever actually have expectation for your team rather than hiding behind the whole "we don't spend as much, we shouldn't be top 4 " bollocks.


7.) 09 Jan 2017 23:14:41
It's not all about the transfer fees. We don't spend anywhere near on wages neither, I do agree with you that we are good enough now to expect to challenge for top 4 spot. And a long shot for the title.
It's not all about spending money, just look at Utd, most expensive squad in premier league history and still struggling.


8.) 09 Jan 2017 22:33:51
Numbers and gambling are a useful combination ed, care for some Texas Hold'em?

{Ed025's Note - i might be a bit too good for you at that putney, the casino is my second home mate..


9.) 10 Jan 2017 01:04:41
Manc-Stand, NONE of what you posted about my comments, is true. The points I made were regarding this season, not in general. You seem to have been itching to have a dig but you made a dig at points I never made. I could take the pains to explain my post BUT what`s the point. You clearly did not read nor/ or understand it so not sure what good explaining it would do. Feel free to read it again and let me know what you got out of it. i`m sure you can handle that.


10.) 10 Jan 2017 02:28:41
@Stand-United - because Mourinho is unfamiliar with the British game? Come on lad that's as bad an excuse as the one Hamilton was reeling off. I agree top 4 was the minimum we were expecting this season after more spending and getting a top manager but don't use the European football and new manager you have as being an advantage for us - Mourinho has a ton of experience in both the PL and with midweek games, it is nothing new to either him or United.

On top of this you's have spent enormously the past few seasons - if you haven't got the squad to cope with such demands then it is a failure on your clubs behalf - any other club, with the resources that have been showered on you, wouldn't be so brazen as to insist other clubs have an "advantage" - that is delusional.


11.) 10 Jan 2017 10:05:58
Hamilton

On a lighter note after reading your comment, At what point and how much money would it take us to win the league according to you? My take is £700 mill.


12.) 10 Jan 2017 23:10:32
Point is, all we constantly hear is that Liverpool don't spend as much so can't be expected to get top 4. That's garbage. What we have spent is our failure, nobody is denying that. But when you all bleat that you don't spend money when in fact your spent hundreds of millions over he years yourself, and yet constantly deny you should expect MINIMUM top 4 it's laughable.

And yes. Jose knows the EPL. But he didn't know his squad, know his players, the personalities etc. Klopp has 9 months to get used to his. And don't try telling me playing Thursday nights in the Ukraine don't hinder your league form


 

 

06 Jan 2017 11:35:25
Klopp's hinted Gomez will start on Sunday, if that happens I'll be delighted. I feel more than any of our other youth players there's a route to the first team for him. Fingers tightly crossed that he can stay fit and show us what he's capable of other the rest of the season.

PutneyRed

1.) 06 Jan 2017 15:21:31
Great! We will finally see if he can actually play CB for LFC cos many are raving about him without ever seen him play that position for us in the first team.


2.) 06 Jan 2017 17:42:39
He played CB in his last match for us in a 352 formation so what you on about hamo


3.) 06 Jan 2017 18:28:24
One game and suddenly he can play CB seamlessly? Really? Maybe one game is enough for you Lerchy BUT I would have to see more of him in that position before I make a fair judgment on him.


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2017 17:32:19
He showed last season he can play in our first team, give him a couple more weeks and he'll be a regular off the bench and a cup starter, he's valuable with us.

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11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

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21 Dec 2016 13:33:09
There were rumours about Clyne wanting out over the summer, I'm wondering if this is just old news.

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20 Jan 2017 13:27:41
What do you all think of the the 'get the player to match the system' versus the 'use a system that gets the best out of the players' debate?

Aguero is one of the best Strikers in the world, I think I'm right in saying he has the best strike rate in Premier League history. Surely if you have a player that good you tailor the playing style to suit him rather than get him to adapt to your way of playing.

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20 Jan 2017 13:08:52
You have to remember the context of his signing, he came in at the beginning of the 13/ 14 season taking Borini's place in the squad. I always assumed he knew he would only be considered a back up.

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16 Jan 2017 17:07:01
The cup games have distorted things a bit, we've taken 14 points from our last 6 league games scoring 12 goals and conceding 4. A point away to Utd can't really be considered a bad result which leaves Sunderland as the only bad day at the office. We're also getting key players back now.

Things aren't as bad as they seem.

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16 Jan 2017 16:25:55
Thanks Ed2, apologies for repeating a common question.

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}


 

 

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15 Jan 2017 10:48:44
Whilst top four and 70 points were a good target before the season expectations were changed by how great we we've played . Less than 80 points would now be a disappointment.

PutneyRed