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08 Jun 2018 21:23:43
Right lads, I kid you not, anouncement was meant to be 9pm but Michael Edwards car broke down and had been delayed, they're looking to see if they can still make the announcement tonight or wait till Monday.


1.) 08 Jun 2018 21:40:58
Does he have a white bmw, because he was causing a massive traffic problem on the A1 this afternoon.

2.) 08 Jun 2018 21:43:02
This may be the best post ever on here 😂 like, people used to joke about Ayre's Harley breaking down but this is next level! 😂.

3.) 08 Jun 2018 21:48:43
Up the pool.

4.) 08 Jun 2018 21:48:43
Car? did ayre get to keep the motorcycle, he’s robbed us blind!

5.) 08 Jun 2018 21:50:07
That 1982 pool car robyn reliant was never reliable eh.

6.) 08 Jun 2018 21:52:41
Ha ha ha, it takes 3 days to have his car recovered?
He couldn't afford a taxi or arrange a pickup?
Quality guff!

7.) 08 Jun 2018 21:56:18
Why didn't he just get his brothers dads wifes sister to pick him up in one of her uncles caravans?

8.) 08 Jun 2018 21:59:29
Ive heard he’s only got a pay as you go phone and has used all his data so can’t connect to the internet to announce it until he’s home and can remember the password to his wi-fi.

9.) 08 Jun 2018 21:59:40
Lyon may not want the transfer announced until the French Transfer Window opens tomorrow.

10.) 08 Jun 2018 21:37:26
So we’re in the hands of the 4th emergency service?

Will it still be tonight, a? A?

11.) 08 Jun 2018 21:43:28
Lol love this site.

12.) 08 Jun 2018 22:03:32
Lol no shops working on weekends? :D.

13.) 08 Jun 2018 22:10:15
Get the Bablecopter in.

14.) 08 Jun 2018 22:15:29
Surely Ken Aguero could have give him a tow! 😊.

15.) 08 Jun 2018 22:19:38
Lol love it Putney.

16.) 08 Jun 2018 22:23:35
His car broke down in Kazakhstan 😄.

17.) 08 Jun 2018 22:41:09

18.) 08 Jun 2018 22:41:15
Don't worry lads Edwards did break down in Blackpool but he is on his way, unfortunately its on the back of a donkey, when the donkey drops him of the donkey is going to goodison to see if they will sign him but its highly unlikely coz they haven't got a carrot.

19.) 08 Jun 2018 23:38:31
Surely on of the best windows ever :) just need to get ed001 in goal.

20.) 09 Jun 2018 01:25:09
Do they have double glazing?



05 Feb 2018 10:24:44
Seen rumours flying around about Wilshire and i expect there nothing in them but. There's a cracking player inside Wilshire bubbling beneath the surface and if someone cough'Klopp'cough could get him focused and professional he'd certainly be an improvement on Wiji.

I'd see him as the back up to Henderson and we should be able to get most of a season out of two sick notes combined.


1.) 05 Feb 2018 10:50:10
If he stayed fit all season I would take him all day, but doubt he could, we had these probs wid lallana sturridge an too a lesser extent clyne, important players we need playing firing fit, Wilshire is quality though for free would b worth the gamble.

2.) 05 Feb 2018 11:17:42
He is being looked as - 30 games a season for the next 2 seasons and properly managed unlike what Wenger is doing he will blossom at LFC.

3.) 05 Feb 2018 11:45:27
Another Joe Cole in my eyes. Steer well clear.

4.) 05 Feb 2018 12:24:12
That's harsh mad max.

Joe Cole could play football.

5.) 05 Feb 2018 13:27:25
Absolutely woeful player who gets lauded because he’s English and had one good game in his career. Would be fuming if we bought him because there are far better and less injury prone players around. He creates few chances, he offers no goal threat and is defensively frail.

6.) 05 Feb 2018 14:41:48
it would just be like Liverpool to sign a player like whilshire, how does he strengthen the midfield? all he would be good for would be keeping Henderson company when hendo is injured, we need to be looking at far better quality than this, I only hope this is a silly rumour and nothing more.

7.) 05 Feb 2018 22:10:54
Hardly a woeful player what a ridiculous comment although I’m hardly suprised. he is an excellent player with unfortunate luck wi injuries. if fit and at his best he would improve our centre midfield no end. problem is that the fitness can’t be relied upon. bad track record so stay clear imo.

8.) 05 Feb 2018 22:50:00
Wiltshire would be an upgrade on Grujic, Can and Gini in my opinion. If Klopp wants him then I’m happy.

9.) 06 Feb 2018 02:06:19
"theres a cracking player inside wilshire" Are you implying him and Ozil are about to make some sort of announcement?

10.) 06 Feb 2018 08:16:56
I wouldn’t be keen on him mainly due to injuries but he’s in his best form for years (not a difficult task) and wouldn’t maybe worth a punt if his wages aren’t too high and we don’t have to pay a fee.

11.) 06 Feb 2018 09:26:34
He gets stuck in and can play the ball, which is something we lack in midfield, if he stays fit and when he’s on the pitch he breaks up the play and releases the ball well then I would take him but only on a free to be fair, plus if he leaves Hitchin (his hometown) then he will be more focused on football and not on certain other things that have held his career back.

12.) 06 Feb 2018 23:00:06
He's not dedicated enough, he doesn't train hard enough, he's injured too much, he smokes and drinks in his free time/ weekends, he is miles away from the quality we should be looking at if we want to genuinely improve our midfield. Klopp is a decent coach, he is not a magician and he cannot magical transform unprofessional, uninterested players into world beaters. Wilshere will always be a case of what could have been - let another side take a punt and pay him extortionate wages, this is the exact sort of signing we need to avoid.



07 Sep 2017 16:15:37
How's this for a conspiracy theory, a factor in deciding to keep Moreno was to ensure Coutinho had a close friend in the squad.


1.) 07 Sep 2017 17:50:33
Moreno is klopps long lost lovechild only way to explain it.

2.) 07 Sep 2017 19:00:20
And Roberto Firmino isn't a close friend of Coutinho?

3.) 07 Sep 2017 19:54:02
Except that Klopp wanted rid of coutinho at the end.

4.) 07 Sep 2017 19:59:49
you'd think he would've kept lucas for that.

5.) 07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.

6.) 07 Sep 2017 20:15:50
He definitely is closer too moreno, moreno has a good character round the dressing room I hope he can somehow come good.

{Ed025's Note - and i want everton to win the CL hailstones...same chance..

7.) 07 Sep 2017 20:21:34
Or that Moreno has improved?

{Ed025's Note - silk purses and sows ears and all that..

8.) 07 Sep 2017 20:32:58
See his face from the bench.

9.) 07 Sep 2017 20:45:48
Moreno hasn't improved imo, he's been just as bad this season. I do however know from someone who works for the club that he's a top bloke.

{Ed025's Note - aah thats nice cobra..

10.) 07 Sep 2017 21:03:15
Ed25 seems like a nice bloke but then you remember he's a biter!

11.) 07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.

12.) 07 Sep 2017 23:08:39
Is pipco back in training?

13.) 07 Sep 2017 23:25:24
Big season ahead for Moreno. From what I saw, it was his pre season appearaces that kept him at the club,
He's another year older now and hopefully not as wrash in his decision making,

FB must be the hardest position on the pitch to play, you really need eyes in the back of your head.

14.) 08 Sep 2017 00:34:39
Yes and we kept Bogdan whom is a close friend of markovic whom is a close friend of Moreno whom of co as you said is a close friend of Coutinho.

15.) 08 Sep 2017 00:03:44
Proper neg ead u ed 025 he can improve can't he, also he has shown in the past he has had good games he has room too improve young lad comin too different league, he could b adapting, jus needs too find consistency.

{Ed025's Note - im a realist hailstones, he has been at the club for 3 years now so how long do you want to wait for him to improve?...just admit hes a lemon like karius, thats the problem with liverpool supporters they cant admit that some of their players are sub standard mate..

16.) 08 Sep 2017 06:53:30
Moreno is average going forward and when he gets beaten in defence and has to chase back he is a liability. Can't tackle and is so rash when chasing back that he gives free kicks away in dangerous areas and penalties.

Who cares if he is a nice guy.
Hate player bashing but he has a long way to go to win the fans over.

17.) 08 Sep 2017 08:53:36
Ed25, us LFC fans use to get a lot of stick for not "getting behind" players or "slagging them off" and now your saying we can't admit sub standard?
Everton fans are so delirious its quite scary. 😂🙈.

{Ed025's Note - encouragement is fine kopette, but lets not pretend that all reds players are world beaters thats all, some of them are of course (mane,couts) but there is also a lot of dross in there as well, lets just be honest mate..

18.) 08 Sep 2017 09:52:57
Were not sayin that ed 025, we sayin the lad is learning his trade he young look at david luiz no one would say he could improve look at salah also victor moses, if this season he constantly makin mistakes ok we hold our hands up, but if he shows improvement give the lad a chance, I think he can offer something an he has quality.

{Ed025's Note - we are all entitled to our opinions hailstones, the fact that you dont recognise a nugget when you see one still perplexes me though mate..

19.) 08 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Beddoerocks, you say Moreno can't tackle but I was reading an article yesterday that stated he is our leading tackler this season with 9, Matip is second on 8.

20.) 08 Sep 2017 11:09:41
Ed025, how can you call Karius a lemon? Lads only played a few games for us and he's young.

Certiainly not going to praise him yet as tour next great no 1 but don't you think it's fair to wait and see how he turns out before passing judgement? Looking through the those toffee spectacles again?!

{Ed025's Note - i have this philosophy you see hamish...if a guy knocks at my door wearing a green curly wig, bulbous red nose, yellow check suit and size 27 boots then i think to myself...this guys a clown, i dont need to interview him mate, i can tell straight away..

21.) 08 Sep 2017 12:07:48
Hahaha ok ed 025, I just like too see my glass is half full than half empty he has put in good performances an shown too b a decent left back admittedly in beginning of his liverpool career but why can't he improve mate he has time on his side, I was his biggest doubter last 2 seasons I know why u say wat u do, but this a make or break season for him, he is showin signs of getting better so I have too get behind him.

{Ed025's Note - and thats ok by me hailstones...hows the weather today in cloud cuckoo land mate.. :)

22.) 08 Sep 2017 12:09:18
Moreno isn't a nugget he a professional footballer getting paid handsomely.

{Ed025's Note - in our local Mcdonalds they now sell chicken you could be wrong mate..

23.) 08 Sep 2017 13:09:55
Hahaha I am more into subway.

24.) 08 Sep 2017 12:50:51
Ed025, really? Come on mate you are being a little bit over the top. Moreno and Karius are both young and moved from different leagues.

Did you assume that De Gea was a lemon when he first joined United? With his comedy goal keeping and his lack of any physicality? His first season was an absolute disaster and now look at him, he's arguably one of the top 5 in the world as a keeper.

I'm not for one moment saying that Karius will get this good, I'm just saying his situation is comparable to De Gea, although I think De Gea actually had a worse first season than Karius, so we should give him a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im all for giving him a chance hsf, but he has yet to prove he is anything more than a liability so at the moment he is certainly a lemon, will he improve..possibly but until he does i think its fair to assume he is not up to the job, moreno has had 3 years and if he has not made the transition by now then we can reasonable assume hes a dud, its not all his fault though as it seems the coaching defensively at least is certainly lacking at liverpool mate..

25.) 09 Sep 2017 08:00:33
How anyone can say that Moreno hasn't had enough time to prove himself is beyond me! 1 good pre season game and everyone thinks he's Ashley Cole. He has proven time and time again he doesn't have the aptitude for being a left back and he's done nothing this season to prove me otherwise.
Training hard, having the right attitude and being a top bloke should not be enough to keep you in a team wanting to win honours.

{Ed025's Note - im with you cobra..

26.) 10 Sep 2017 20:02:35
Tizer I am not making my comment based on 2 or 3 games.

Moreno is not a good defender when turned. Season after season we have seen that. By all means throw stats around 93% of people know stats can used to prove a incorrect opinion 😁.

27.) 10 Sep 2017 22:05:34
We need a stable back 4. Chopping and changing is not ideal. We should try and develop a steady first back 4 to enable an understanding to develop. Stick Robertson in the LB slot TAA in RB slot and settle on a first choice CB pairing (Loren and Matip for me)

Klopp needs to commit as we have the players but they rarely ever play more than one game together.

If klopp rates Moreno then fine. But stand by the decision and give him a run in the team with a steady defensive line that can cover his shortcomings.



15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?


{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}

1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.

2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.

3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.

4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.

5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.

6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.

7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.

8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}

9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.

10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.

11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.

12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.

13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.

14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.

15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.

16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.



07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.


1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!

2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.

4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}

5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.

6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.

7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.




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16 Jun 2018 18:27:59
Hey gents, missed the game but found it on Facebook so will watch the highlights later, looking forward to a write up. Would love it if faces could be matched to usernames.

I think someone mentioned that another just giving page was opening, would love to donate if I still could.


1.) 16 Jun 2018 20:48:15
Putney what’s the link mate?

2.) 17 Jun 2018 00:37:45
I just searched football rumours and it came up.



12 Jun 2018 13:12:11
Hey Ed1, are you in agreement that we need a back up winger for Salah and Mane next season?

I think we need an established alternative and, whilst I know you have a deep-seated aversion to him, I can't think of many players as good as Shakiri who are available at the prices quoted who'd be happy being back up.

If be interested to know who'd you want to brought in (if anyone)?


{Ed001's Note - I have no idea off the top of my head sorry.}

1.) 12 Jun 2018 13:46:59
There are so many good wingers about but the hard part is finding someone good enough to step in, and is prepared to accept that Salah and Mane will start 80% of our games.

Personally, I would just focus on a player to replace Coutinho (like Fekir) who can play on either wing or in attacking midfield.

Then I'd let the kids have pre-season to prove they should be the back up crew. If none of them are good enough short term, I'd like us to go after Lucas Vazquez of all the targets.

2.) 12 Jun 2018 14:04:37
Putney, who’s said Shaqiri would be happy to be back up? Whilst I agree there aren’t many experienced, talented players available for that fee there also isn’t many players that have the potential to cause as much harm to the team. I can’t imagine him being sub most of the time is going to help with his selfish side. If he comes we’ll get behind him but There’s a reason Bayern wanted rid of him when he wasn’t happy being on the bench.

3.) 12 Jun 2018 14:10:16
Vazquez would be amazing. Is there a chance he would want to move mk?

4.) 12 Jun 2018 14:41:28
Not sure if Vázquez would leave his role as second fiddle at Real Madrid only to play it again at Liverpool. Also, neither Vázquez nor Shaqiri can play on the left, while Moses Simon plays on both sides and I'd like to think he's young enough to be happy making the step up and competing for minutes on the pitch. Vázquez and Shaqiri should go somewhere that they will be first choice, like Leicester, Southampton or West Ham. Unless of course the plan is to play a right-winger with Salah as a striker. However, I think Klopp wants another pacy wide option, and neither Vázquez nor Shaqiri are particularly pacy, while Moses Simon is.

5.) 12 Jun 2018 15:09:51
Don't know much about him MK but is he realistic? I imagine he'd cost more than we want to spend and why leave the RM bench just to come to ours?

Swish, I think Shaqiri needs us more than we need him, his career is on the verge of fizzling out. I also reckon this bad attitude thing has been exaggerated.

6.) 12 Jun 2018 15:25:55
I would have thought that unless we can find someone versatile enough to play many positions like perhaps Fekir would have been able to do, I would have thought the best plan would be to either play young players more to have them ready as cover (Wilson and Woodburn particularly) .

Even better (short term) would be to buy someone who has absolutely no intention of sitting for 75% of the time and getting the odd cover match or a few minutes here and there. Someone who is realistically good enough to challenge for a starting spot and let them fight it out for their place in the team.

For me, the absolute worst way of building a squad is buying in people whose job is to sit on the bench and be around just in case. If you're looking at a player who at 26 isn't good enough to challenge for a starting spot in your team, they have no business joining your team. To me, any game time Shaqiri is given is wasted time that could be given preparing a future star or keeping a player ready to make opponents afraid happy. If Klopp wants him then fine, happy to go with it and will cheer him on like every other player as long as he behaves. But I won't pretend I like the idea of bringing him in because to me, he's just replicating the mistakes that we've been making for years that bought us the forgettable tenures of so many players that we never gave a full chance for because against the talent in our team, they just never merited it.

7.) 12 Jun 2018 15:34:52
Putney I agree with he need us so who knows - could be his last chance at a big club as his current trajectory isn’t ideal. Bayern to inter, to stoke suggests there May be some substance to the talk about his attitude.

{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't put Liverpool below Stoke, but maybe....}

8.) 12 Jun 2018 15:46:36
Agree Hjikle and MK - bring in someone like Fekir who’s flexible enough to play attacking midfield and cover the wings and you kill two birds with one stone, then you can rest Mane or Salah without a dramatic drop in quality but you don’t have someone sitting on the bench most of the time either. Then use Wilson or Simon or another younger player as the backup player and let them build experience with substitute or rotations as they’ll be happy on the bench and getting the odd game as they learn.

9.) 12 Jun 2018 16:00:11
Harry Wilson for me!



06 Jun 2018 12:39:22
Ed1, A bit of a change of pace. How does the championship compare to such leagues as the French, Portuguese and Dutch top tiers?

Clearly the premier clubs that regularly qualify for the CL are streets ahead but what about the rest of the teams? I understand the Championship is financially competitive and has bigger crowds. Is the football of a similar standard?

I ask because we're often linked to players that do well in these leagues whilst rarely considering the best players from the championship.


{Ed001's Note - it really depends, because of the amount of ups and downs you tend to find it varies hugely from season to season. Last season had some high quality from Wolves, for instance, and some old school thuggery from Cardiff. Because teams are so financially unstable there, usually teams trying to shed salary after relegation, mixed with teams that are just trying to survive and everything in between, you end up with a very changeable league.}

1.) 06 Jun 2018 14:52:19
Thanks Ed, this was prompted by the talk of Moses Simon, whilst I imagine that's just paper talk I'd be sad if he came in and took Wilson's place who's done so well in the Championship.



01 Jun 2018 12:45:49
I know we're not allowed to talk about money but I'm having trouble understanding how we're going to fund all the proposed transfers I've heard about.

We've already made two expensive signings and the rumours are we're going to make at least 2 more.

We've got the CL money and a few players we can move on but none that will bring in serious funds.

Are the owners going to be putting their hands in their pockets, are we going to spend less than is assumed or are some players going to be moved on that we haven't considered yet?


{Ed002's Note - The funding comes from club income including money from sales. The owners cannot put their hands in their pockets beyond what is allowed within FFP.}

1.) 01 Jun 2018 12:57:36
Best not to concern yourself with the financial side of things mate. The club employ people to crunch the numbers etc and will know what's within the budget for fee's and wages. Let's just sit back and hope we add a couple more quality players to add to Kieta and Fabinho. Edwards work you're magic again.

2.) 01 Jun 2018 15:09:45
That's what I thought Ed and it's why I suspect we might not do as much business as some of us are expecting.

{Ed002's Note - Don't forget they can sell players to bring money in.}

3.) 01 Jun 2018 15:55:43
Yeah OP, let's not talk about money.



29 May 2018 12:57:06
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that very few of us knew anything about Fabinho before last night. Whenever we’re linked with (or buy) someone I know nothing about I spend the next day or so reading as much as I can about the player to try and figure out what he’s all about and what impact he can have, here’s a summary of what I’ve discovered. Note that I have never watched Fabinho and all this is based in conjecture.

Fabinho made the move to Europe shortly before his 19th birthday signing for Portuguese side Rio Ave FC, the young Brazilian had yet to make a senior appearance in his home country. It’s pretty clear that this was a speculative move by Rio to acquire a valuable asset they could sell on and this is backed up by the fact they immediately loaned Fabinho to Real Madrid’s B tea, he played 30 times for them in the 12/ 13 season, he also made the bench for the senior team on two occasions getting onto the pitch once. I understand that he played as a RB during this time.

Real Madrid passed on Fabinho bringing back Daniel Carvajal instead so Fabinho spent the next two seasons on loan to Monaco playing 84 times predominantly at RB. It was towards the end of the 14/ 15 season that Monaco started to try Fabinho in midfield. In 2015 Monaco paid Rio around €6m to sign Fabinho and he spent the season splitting his time between RB and DM. That season Fabinho took over penalty duties for Monaco and 22 of the 31 goals he scored in 5 seasons have come from the spot.

By the 16/ 17 Fabinho was entrenched in midfield playing predominantly next to Bakayoko, now of Chelsea. This was Monaco’s golden year winning the French league and making the semi-finals of the CL. At the end of the season Monaco suffered a fire sale of their best players, losing Mbappe, Mendy, Silva and Bakayoko. It was reported that Fabinho was looked at by Utd (who opted for Matic) and PSG who’s offer was rejected as Monaco didn’t want to sell to a rival (despite allowing Mbappe to make that very move) . Fabinho has made it clear he wanted to leave that summer and has reiterated his desire to move on ever since.

Despite wanting to leave Fabinho continued to play well in the 17/ 18 season for a Monaco team that, despite losing its other stars, still finished 2nd in Ligue 1, their CL campaign was disappointing however with Monaco failing to win a match in the group stage (against Leipzig, Porto and Besiktas) .

Internationally Fabinho hovered around the Brazil team without ever getting much of a look in, he’s only ever appeared in friendlies making two starts and two sub appearances and all at RB. He was selected for the squads of the 2015 and 2016 Copa Americas but hasn’t been called up for any squad in the last two years.

Using Stats to judge a player is fraught with danger but there is a correlation between statistically doing well and subjectively doing well so it’s worth noting that since the 14/ 15 season a certain stats site has judged Fabinho the 17th, 16th, 4th and 7th best player in Ligue 1. He’s also been rated higher than any of the Monaco’s other star players every year (Lemar, Silva, Mbappe, Mendy, Bakayoko) .

Fabinho is 6 foot 2 and strong in the air winning 66% of his aerial duels in 17/ 18, he’s also likes to get stuck into a tackle but he may not be great at them, he only won 28% of his tackles making 1.7 fouls per 90 minutes and earning 8 yellow cards over the course of the season. Reading between the lines he’s a good screen in front of the defence who’s not afraid to bring a player down if that’s what’s needed.

Fabinho will most likely compete with Henderson for playing time and comparisons are difficult due to the different leagues they compete in and how their respective teams play but, for what it’s worth; Fabinho is better in the air and makes more a lot more tackles but his success rate is worse and he makes a lot more fouls. In terms of passing it’s largely honours even with a similar breakdown of backwards vs forwards, completion rate, avg pass length and chances created. The data suggests that Fabinho will be a more natural midfield enforcer than Hendo while having a similar passing ability to the Englishman but it’s worth pointing out that Fabinho generally plays a lower standard of opposition in France.

From what I've read I see this signing as good rather than a slam dunk, it's reassuring that some of our European rivals have attempted to sign him and I hope he'll be a good option when we're trying to control a game but his disciplinary record is concerning and that could be a liability in the PL. Furthermore he hasn't outperformed Hendo offensively despite playing in a weaker league so I'm not convinced we've upgraded our first team (full disclosure; I'm a Hendo groupie so I may be biased) .

This summer we need to improve our squad and give ourselves different options and I think Fabinho will achieve that but I think he'll be a first team option rather than an automatic pick.


1.) 29 May 2018 13:33:07
Nice one, PR. I agree with your assessment of Fab and the history behind his rise as they mostly all check out with the bits I already knew of him. I will say that he does get forward and score goals tho and has a wicked shot on him so whether he is better or even with Hendo on the offensive side, is neither here nor there, IMO. As for whether we have upgraded our first team or not, Ed01 has mentioned that Fab is an upgrade on Can and Wiji already and I tend to agree with him esp. with the fact that big clubs like Utd, PSG, and Atleti were after him. Great post, my friend.

2.) 29 May 2018 13:33:38
Brilliant Putney you have answer all my questions.

3.) 29 May 2018 14:03:27
I've seen Fabinho play twice for Brazil (at RB) and I watched him play twice again this season for Monaco. He's definitely a holding midfielder because when you look at his position when the other team has the ball, he is usually just ahead of the back 4. None of the box to box stuff (at least when I saw him play) . Obviously tall, and covers space quickly because of his long stride. And has a nice righty leg when it's time to shoot at goal or pass to anyone upfront.

We'll have to wait and see how Klopp plays him in his system. Will he ask him to stay back or be given the freedom to rush forward as Can frequently did? Will Klopp convert him into a box-to-box role, as most midfielders seem to have been under him?

4.) 29 May 2018 16:10:59
Very interesting, thank you putney. Let's not forget he will almost certainly improve dramatically under klopp and co.

I think milner should stay, his kind of experience is important. He is a fantastic player. What has happened to lallana? Injuries, I know but he was so good in 16/ 17 season. He looks a shadow of that player. Looking at the effort he put in in the final, I think he is off. More concerned about trying to get to Russia, than busting a gut in Ukraine.

5.) 29 May 2018 19:36:23
He kinda sounds like Lucas a bit specially with the not afraid to take down a player if needed and accept a booking for it. We have missed that since he left so that’s a big welcome.

On the other hand Keita's disciplinary record isn’t all that great either but everybody seems convinced Klopp can make it better so he may do the same for fab too.




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05 Jun 2018 18:24:58
Bobby, the doctors said he was fine and will make a full recovery.




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05 Jun 2018 12:18:48
Again, your response highlights what's wrong with the handling of this issue. The release said that he will make a full recovery but no one seems to be mentioning that.

We have debates about the integrity of this release, we've reopened the Ramos issue, the player is under attack and, we have people saying maybe he should retire for health reasons, I've now heard people questioning the Liverpool medical team (separate to your response) and I'm argueing with you about PR.

It's a mess, and an easily avoidable one at that.




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05 Jun 2018 09:51:32
I've found what I believe to be the full thing but the fact that I had to search for it and still haven't seen the official version just highlights another problem, most of us are reading this through the prism of someone's opinion.

PR is important and handled badly it can be hugely damaging. The player has already faced a backlash, deserved or not, the whole issue of concussion in football could be undermined as some will see this as a frivolous excuse and the Liverpool medical team may well come under fire for either not recognising he was hurt or for allowing him to play on when he shouldn't have.

It's a minefield that needed to be navigated better.


{Ed001's Note - both the Liverpool medical team and UEFA should be under fire, as should the coaching staff, for not dealing with this better. You are whining about PR when it is a potentially life-changing injury. Just shows your priorities are all wrong mate sorry.}




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23 Jun 2018 12:41:03
All for keeping him, I don't think he'll ever be brilliant but he'll do fine whilst we wait to see how good Gomez can be.




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23 Jun 2018 11:52:33
Hailstones, I'm with you on this one, we lost a string to our bow when Couts left. Hopefully TAA or Keita can step up.




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22 Jun 2018 13:10:28
I'm struggling to work out the economics of that deal. I can see how it's cheaper than buying a midfielder for £20-30m but he's still got to be worth the salary. There's no way he's worth £30m over four years.




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21 Jun 2018 13:28:21
I like him but he's wouldn't be a first eleven player for us yet and I think he needs to be playing regularly at the moment. For his sake I hope he stays at Chelsea and is given a chance in their team.