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15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.


2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.


4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.


5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.


6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.


7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.


8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}


9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.


10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.


11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.


12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.


13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.


14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.


15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.


16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!


2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.

YNWA.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}


5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.


 

 

03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.


2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.


3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.


4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}


5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.


6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}


7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.

Baz.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.


9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.


10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.


11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.


12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.


13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!


14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.


15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.


16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.


17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!


18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!


19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?


20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.


21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.


22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.


23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .


24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.


25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}

*Pishy


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!


27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?


28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.


29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.


30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.


 

 

12 Mar 2017 13:26:14
Just seen that Klopp said he had no plans to bring in a new keeper this summer. There are three possible translations as I see it.

1. He's doesn't want to show his hand at this stage of the season and is shooting who's available.

2. He's happy with Migs and Karius competing.

3. He plans to replace Migs with Ward.

If it's option 2 I'll be disappointed, we want a better keeper than Migs and Karius may not be the answer. If he isn't it will be 5 seasons without a good enough keeper. Option 3 is interesting but still a gamble, we don't know if Ward will make the grade either. I hope Klopp is being coy and keeping his options open.

PutneyRed

1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:52:14
Or it could be that Klopp wants rid of Mignolet and then have Karius as no 1, Ward no 2 and Manninger no 3.

If Karius is not going to get a proper shot at being no 1 then obviously we will not know whether he is the answer and signing a new keeper may not be the answer either unless he is given more than a handful of games to prove himself? So best solution in this situation is to give Karius a chance.


2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:53:11
The problem is not the keeper but the lack of DM and a decent defence.

Both are decent and Karius should be given more time (and patience from the so called fans) .


3.) 12 Mar 2017 13:59:23
Karius is our No.1 from the day we signed him and it has not changed due his bad performances.


4.) 12 Mar 2017 19:26:12
Interesting that our "number 1" can't get in the team.
He's clearly not "number 1" at the moment.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 20:39:09
Ron, Mignolet will be number one till the end of the season. Let's see whether he is going to be happy when he is sitting on the bench start of next season.

Klopp made a mistake to bring back Mignolet but it seems like it will work in his favour. It could be that Klopp tells him he should find another club once the season has ended. No number 1 wants to be told that. Ed002 has said on quite a few occasions that the club want rid and that Karius was signed to be no 1.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 21:01:20
How can he be "number 1" yet dropped for months?
He's back up to Mignolet, Klopp rates Mignolet higher.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp told Karius, Mignolet and the World that Karius is number one.}


7.) 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59
What can he say with 10 games left? "My goalies are awful, I want new ones"?

But old Jürgen is shrewd, and with Migs doing ok he can count on a pretty penny should he decide to sell, if the right keeper is available to replace him or if Karius is seen as settled.

If Karius needs more time or no really great keeper comes available Migs will be a decent option next year too.


8.) 13 Mar 2017 00:14:24
Karius is our number 1 the same way Sakho is our number 3.
Doesn't mean he's first choice.


9.) 13 Mar 2017 07:12:09
Clearly Karius is our no 1, that's the number on the back of his kit! Lol.


10.) 13 Mar 2017 13:34:22
So some think that mignolet is only being played in the first team to put him on the transfer market? I'm not so sure about that although it's an unlikely probability. I think Klopp is just taking the more practical approach, Karius did not settle well, and has been shaky with a number of the opportunities he had been given at the start of the season. Mignolet who was the more experienced premier league goal keeper was the only one he could turn to, not ideal by any stretch but a better option for goalkeeper at the time. Whilst we would never know if Karius would have been better in goal given the same games, mignolet has done alright. I wouldn't be surprised at either outcome in the summer, however I'm just not convinced by either of them. I think Karius was a poor choice to begin with but I think we decided to build a keeper rather than buy an established one which is a mistake we keep making, a never ending loop of purchasing players with potential that either never live up to it or never get the chance.


11.) 14 Mar 2017 06:39:50
No top keeper is going to sign for LFC, especially with Real sniffing round and add in City likely to be shopping around. So the choice is buy a second tier or a younger one with some experience, lots of potential and the understanding will need to bring him through. I thought the latter was why Karius was signed.


12.) 14 Mar 2017 12:40:21
Freshst- there is more than one top keeper in the world. They won't all sign for Real. City have already bought Bravo, are they going to ditch him?


13.) 14 Mar 2017 16:37:48
If de Gea moves to Real you can expect united to throw money at a replacement. Ditto Courtois leaving Chelsea or Loris leaving Spurs. Just my view but I see City looking for another keeper in summer as well. Hart seems to be saying he doesn't expect to be there and Bravos hasn't worked out.


 

 

10 Jan 2017 16:34:54
Hi Ed2, there are reports that Liverpool have set a price for Sakho's sale (effectively getting their outlay back) . Is the interest in Sakho high enough that clubs will pay a large fee or is it more likely that Liverpool will end up accepting a nominal fee to get him off the books?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I would think the answer is between the two. Liverpool want to sell rather than loan Sakho to another side. Sevilla and, perhaps, Roma may well seek a loan to buy deal for Sakho in January but the issue will be his wages. Sevilla remain interested but I understand Liverpool want to sell rather than loan him out and the asking price is seen to be very high indeed. Roma's interest will be there if they lose a centre back in January but are resisting the temptation to commit to buying a replacement at this time and want to take Sakho on loan. Besiktas and Galatasaray are not of interest to the player. Lyes Ghilas and Niakate Housseyni have both been spoken to by the club and they should be looking for a new home for the player but for now Housseyni is insistant that Sakho stays and if that is the case he will no doubt be spending his time looking for the deal that suits them and not Liverpool for the summer. Housseyni has been told that the club expect to recover their investment in him. Ghilas offered the player to a representative of Marseilles whilst they were both at meetings with Chelsea but they have no interest in him. Stoke have discussed a loan with his agent but have said they would need to have Liverpool pay half his wages. The player has said that he wants a high-end side and that will likely rule out any interest from the player in clubs such as West Brom and West Ham who have both enquired with Housseyni. If Southampton were to lose both van Dijk and Fonte during January then they might also consider a loan. So it is a case of looking to a deal with Sevilla or Southampton and perhaps being more reasonable about the price and not demanding £20M or so.}


1.) 11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 13 Jan 2017 00:38:05
And that ladies and gentlemen is why this site rocks. Ed02.take a bow son. what a reply.


 

 

 

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22 Aug 2017 14:50:37
I’m getting confident that Coutinho will be a Liverpool player on Sept 1st and, despite having mixed feelings about the whole situation, I'll admit I’m mostly pleased. I know there are a lot of fans who have already decided he’s a villain and will now need to readjust their opinions again but I think the calls for him to apologise are unnecessary. Coutinho has never claimed undying loyalty to Liverpool, it has never been a secret that he wants to play for Barcelona, the back injury was (certainly at the beginning) genuine and putting a transfer request is supposed to be the honourable way to leave a club, not something worthy of scorn. I don’t think he’s betrayed our trust in any way. Nor do I blame him for the timing of Barelona’s bid or the deal they offered us. I wish the rumours hadn’t been leaked but I suspect that was done with minimal to no involvement from Couts.

Whilst I don’t think he should apologise what would be appreciated however is a statement looking to build bridges, he doesn’t need to renounce his desire to play for Barcelona just reassure us that, as long as he wears a Liverpool shirt, he will work his socks off for the team. I don’t want my footballing heroes to be liars, I don’t want them to pretend they had Liverpool PJs when they were kids or that they model their game on Emelyn Hughes, I don’t need them to swear that playing for Liverpool is the pinnacle of their careers, all I need from them is to give their all during their time at the club and, as long as Couts does that, I will remain a huge fan of the little magician.

PutneyRed

1.) 22 Aug 2017 15:13:11
good post Putney.


2.) 22 Aug 2017 15:53:52
Offer him to Madrid for €40mil 😂.


3.) 22 Aug 2017 14:57:27
My thoughts precisely mate. People need to start being a little less dramatic.


4.) 22 Aug 2017 15:01:34
Well said.


5.) 22 Aug 2017 16:34:43
Us Football fans are fickle. He wanted to move to Barcelona and who can blame him. The move isn't happening and as long as he puts in the effort on the pitch and produces the kind of form he is capable of then fans will be singing his name soon enough.

{Ed025's Note - i believe thats true jayden..


6.) 22 Aug 2017 19:20:49
Spot on, Putney. People need to be able to separate the emotion of being a fan from the business reality of the game as emotions can blind you from making wise, practical and rational decisions.

Cou wants to go to Barca, no problem. However, his agent and Barcelona (IMO) people conned him into kicking up all types of dust so he could force the move himself and make himself a pariah to the club and the fans so we would just get rid and avoid the drama. But that backfired as Barcelona wanted him on the cheap and if LFC wasn't going to sell before, they definitely were not selling after that pathetic bid they put in on Fri.

Cou prolly then realized that he got played into turning on LFC, which I always knew cos we know Cou and he simply does not have that in him. All in all, he's still our player and tho he messed up, football is football and we need him as much as he needs us so we should put all this to bed and we should help him sort his head outand get him fit so he can punish Arsenal and City, like he always does.


 

 

19 Aug 2017 09:44:28
There are two positions on Coutinho, both of which are very valid. The first is that players have too much power over their clubs, that he signed a contract recently and that should mean something. From that perspective I'm delighted with Liverpool's position, they have to agree to the sale and if they don't that's it. Hopefully, in the future players will think long and hard about signing a contract rather than pushing for as much money as they can get and not worry about anything else.

The second is that Coutinho is a human being with dreams and aspirations. When people get an opportunity to advance their careers that should be supported. Couts has been brilliant for us and, through any reasonable prism, Barcelona's offer is a good one so no one's trying to screw over Liverpool.

I'm in a funny position where I want him to both stay and go. Stay because it's good for football and good for Liverpool but go because in a grown up world we should support players dreams irregardless of what's in our own best interests. It's a very confusing time.

PutneyRed

1.) 19 Aug 2017 10:23:11
Its just a shame that barca's offer isn't good though, and is actually insulting, and proving they think the world revolves around them. They are acting like a spoilt brat in my opinion and are very hurt by the damage caused by losing Neymar. Too not make a massive statement in return shows they are falling down the footballing pecking order and is not a situation they want to be in.


2.) 19 Aug 2017 10:24:55
Putney, s see your point BUT you are missing a few very critical points here. Cou orchestrated this saga himself by literally tapping up Barcelona via his agent and Neymar to sign him. This is not a case of Barcelona coming for him on their own. That is his fault and should own up to that.

Secondly, if he did want to leave, why did he sign the new deal with a raise and the signing bonus (maybe) that came with it? he could have rejected it and we would have all been fine with it.

Thirdly, Barcelona are putting pressure on Cou to force the deal thru via the media and their PR team, saying we afre negotiating with them whereas, LFC doesn't even know what the guy looks like in person.

For a team that does not want to sell, received a pathetic offer full of useless add-ons (or adding their dross players as make-weight), and for owners who have stepped in a la Suarez saga saying he won't be sold, these are disgusting, under-handed tactics that any American owner will NEVER tolerate. Cou may want to leave but NOTHING depends on him and he himself knows it. For these reasons, I would not sell and the owners agree with me and many of us on this.


3.) 19 Aug 2017 10:37:58
Thus is easy to solve, if a player comes toba club as a stepping stone, he shoukd be honest and say it from the start. Sign shorter contracts with a significant less salary.


4.) 19 Aug 2017 10:56:06
He can have his dream. when we find a replacement I say mate. He shouldn't have signed his contract if he wanted out. And in today's money mad market we are getting screwed with Barcelona offering money in dribs and drabs and certain add ons which may or may not happen! Full fee upfront in full then we need to help him with has bags (as his poor back is sore)


 

 

18 Aug 2017 17:41:34
I'd be fascinated to hear from ed1, do you still think this is posturing or do you think the club will keep Couts? If it's the former then Liverpool have a hell of a poker face.

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - did I really use the word posturing? No idea, I would say this is a club digging its heels in for now, at least. However the bid was not so huge in reality, as it is not cash up front or over the period of payment.}


1.) 18 Aug 2017 17:59:42
HI ED001 Do you think Braca will return with a fourth Bid?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}


2.) 18 Aug 2017 18:01:10
The bid didn't include a player did it ed? Do you expect them to come back again? Its getting closer and closer to end of the window and im worried we don't have enough time to bring players in of we sell now?


3.) 18 Aug 2017 18:08:22
We are not selling Cou under any circumstances as it stands right now. Next!


4.) 18 Aug 2017 18:49:48
May have imagined it but that's what I recall. Thanks for the insight.


 

 

09 Aug 2017 12:21:47
With the league starting in just over 48 hours it’s time to look at the title contenders (note, I’m not including Liverpool as I’m going to write a more in-depth post on us and I am including Everton because everyone loves Ed25).

Chelsea were a bit of a surprise package last year, Conte took a group of players and got them playing cohesively and efficiently and it brought Chelsea the title, I expect this year to be harder though. Summer activity has focussed on replacing unwanted players and whilst this suggests that Conte’s squad now matches his style better I’m not convinced that it’s actually improved. Come May Chelsea will be in the hunt but they’re not favourites.

On their day Spurs were the best team in the league last season but a thin squad meant it wasn’t their day enough. I don’t think Walker leaving will hurt the team but the lack of any incoming players will. Spurs may be very busy in the last week of the transfer window but whilst they may find bargains this strategy is risky at best. I think Spurs may have missed their window for a title and their battle this season will be for a top four finish.

There’s little doubt that Guardiola has the finest array of talent available in the Premier League but the question is can he bring the consistency needed to lift the title? The fact that his transfer activity has been very focussed suggests that Guardiola has a clear plan which bodes well for City’s aspirations and if the team does gel then the title is City’s to lose.

Arsenal remind me of Liverpool in the 90s, every summer a new player is identified as the last piece of the puzzle that will return the club to glory, it never turned out that way for us and I can’t see it working for them either. Lacazette will score goals but I’m not convinced he’s an elite level striker and if Sanchez does leave (Arsenal would be crazy to allow his contract to run down) then I can’t see them getting top four.

I was really surprised how badly Utd did last year, Mourinho and that squad should have done better than sixth. Goals were a clear problem for them but, whilst I think Lukaku is a very sensible signing, he won’t create scoring opportunities, he will just put away those presented to him. Matic may release Pogba allowing him to cause havoc but Mourinho is searching for more attacking options and Utd’s success may depend on who he can bring in, regardless finishing outside the top 4 would be a disaster.

Have Everton made the same mistakes Tottenham and Liverpool made before them? Bale and Suarez left for a lot of money which improved the squad but not the first team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Rooney revival but the loss of Lukaku and Barkley will hurt. Top 6 may be achievable but there isn’t the quality for top 4 (sorry Ed25).

My prediction (with Liverpool removed) :
City
Chelsea
Utd
Spurs
Arsenal
Everton.

PutneyRed

1.) 09 Aug 2017 12:37:25
I think united have, unfortunately, bought well.

Matic will provide cover and allow, as you say, Pogba to get forward more.

Mikitarian (that's as close as I'm going to get) i think will be more effective, and combined with Herrera, Mata, Pogba, Fellaini and Martial they will be dangerous.

They are my dark horses. Keep De Gea and back 4 strengthened by Lindelof and i can see them winning plenty of games 1-0.


2.) 09 Aug 2017 12:44:06
Agree with AggerDo, sadly.


3.) 09 Aug 2017 12:45:57
Their midfield is ominously strong. I think they will be difficult to beat.


4.) 09 Aug 2017 13:11:13
From the little I have seen, Linderof looks a liability.


5.) 09 Aug 2017 13:19:35
Utd won't win it they are draw merchants or park the bus team as others say! Zlatan and Fellini where their star players last year they are starting all over again this year! City will win it and Jesus will be the player of the year!
Wembley will mess spurs up!
Arsenal will be back in the hunt!
Chelski will feel the loss of costa they could melt!
As for us it's all about staying fit id play the kids in the cups concentrate on cl and the league! Hopefully a few more faces in!


6.) 09 Aug 2017 13:41:18
We can only hope Nick!


7.) 09 Aug 2017 13:42:28
We should factor in Mourinho too I feel. He is no longer top dog in the managerial circle so I think his bruised ego may cost them points.


8.) 09 Aug 2017 14:02:20
I think united have bought incredibly poorly, matic in his day was a very good player but hasn't played much football for a while, everybody talks about 'letting pogba get forward' what does that mean? He's never did much when he hs got forward, united will play the same as und LVG side ways passes very slow then punt it long and hope for the best. United then got rid of one of the best strikers in the world for lukaku who requires 10 chances to score one, Everton from that deal have done very well. United have bought the Swedish lovren. So basically united I think will miss out on top 4 again, Chelsea are pushing out a top class striker proven in the premier league for morata who although looks good, will take time to adapt. Arsenal may sneak in to the top 4 not due to their talent but due to others for all the money spent not necessarily strengthening. Tottenham will depend on the Wembley effect. Everton if lookman goes will miss the pace. City as mentioned have the most talented squad but will they gel? It's hard to keep a large group of egotistical footballers happy, just look at YAYA. Liverpool if they kept Coutinho we would be top 2 I have no doubt, if he is not replaced and he leave I don't think it's as bad as people think we have players to slot in and do a good job, perhaps not the same job but a good enough one. I would like us to sign a striker if Coutinho goes and see what happens dropping firmino back. I think it will be another close run fight but I don't see why everybody has all this faith in united they really aren't all that. obvioysoy just my opinion but I'd like to hear others.


9.) 09 Aug 2017 15:03:16
I think

Man City have spent a fortune but have yet to find their feet under Pep in the PL. tough to call but think top 3 with shout at the title of Pep can adapt and gel the team

Man Utd continues to look like a bunch of expensive individuals who have never met, sprinkled with a few players who are stealing a living as footballers (fellaini) . Add in the fact Mourinho looks on the verge of going into a 6 month sulk at any moment and I think they will struggle again

Chelsea are a machine and Conte will keep them efficient but not sure how Morata will adapt to the PL. Think they have a shot at top 2 and will be challenging again

Tottenham are tough - to me they had the best back 5 by a mile but selling walker won't help and I still remain to be convinced by them somehow. I think it's the lack of depth and they rely too much on Kane. Think they'll just make top 4 though

Arsenal I think will struggle for top 4 again. I think their midfield is inconsistent, Sanchez unsettled and while I like Lacazette, I expect he will need time to adapt to PL

Everton - sorry Ed25 but just don't see it. maybe when all your youngsters mature a bit more but losing Lukaku is going to hurt and Rooney is past it

Liverpool I thought was in with a decent shout if we could get a couple of top FBs, a top CB and winger and keep our players. Unfortunately Robertson is still a question mark for me, VVD is up in the air and Coutinho may yet leave. Salah is a very astute piece of business though and if Sturridge remains fit we could be a surprise package as our attack looks lethal. I think we could still make top 4 if Coutinho goes, but would depend on injuries. If he stays, we manage to get VVD in and the squad remains fit I would say we could be challenging.

My prediction
Man city
Chelsea
Liverpool
Tottenham
Man Utd
Arsenal.


10.) 09 Aug 2017 15:44:55
Matic was world class yesterday. He is an excellent player. People are so biased they just can't accept any non liverpool players. It's such shame! He won the league with a piss poor fabregas at Chelsea!
Liverpool without Coutinho is like athletes running all over without knowing what and where to go!


11.) 09 Aug 2017 19:19:57
My prefiction
Mancity
Spurs
Arsenal
Chelsea
Manutd
Liverpool.


 

 

07 Aug 2017 03:47:35
My expectation is that the current torrent of reports is based on little more than the fact Couts didn't play yesterday. I reckon he'll be available to play for us next Saturday.

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Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.

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08 Aug 2017 13:13:53
Spigot, if it was so easy to win with suarez in the team why couldn't Dalglish do it?

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Ed2, how's the head imprint doing on your desk?

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03 Jul 2017 18:21:07
Ed, do you have an opinion on whether he's worth the investment?

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{Ed001's Note - Keita? No idea. I very much doubt anyone is worth the money being asked when we need fullbacks as a priority. If central midfield was the priority, then maybe, but it's not.}


 

 

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Many thanks for the detailed response.

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19 Aug 2017 09:31:03
When did the fans start singing 'we all dream of a team of Carraghers'? Hadn't realized he ever got criticism. I always thought he was great.

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{Ed001's Note - he was very much a target of criticism in his earliest years. I can remember one night having a chat with him about it in Sullys and he was a bit the worse for wear. He admitted it did get to him at times, but he had the support of his family, who were very good at backing him. He did become a cult hero fairly early, but a large proportion of the fans did not rate him up until very late in his career. No idea why, but some people just hate to admit they were wrong I think.}


 

 

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18 Aug 2017 18:49:48
May have imagined it but that's what I recall. Thanks for the insight.

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17 Aug 2017 12:21:00
Muppet.

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10 Aug 2017 00:31:04
I'd be delighted.

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07 Aug 2017 03:36:05
Ed1 is a fan of Klopp's. Ed2 is ambivalent towards him, he simply notes that Klopp hasn't won anything in years.

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