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05 Feb 2018 10:24:44
Seen rumours flying around about Wilshire and i expect there nothing in them but. There's a cracking player inside Wilshire bubbling beneath the surface and if someone cough'Klopp'cough could get him focused and professional he'd certainly be an improvement on Wiji.

I'd see him as the back up to Henderson and we should be able to get most of a season out of two sick notes combined.

PutneyRed

1.) 05 Feb 2018 10:50:10
If he stayed fit all season I would take him all day, but doubt he could, we had these probs wid lallana sturridge an too a lesser extent clyne, important players we need playing firing fit, Wilshire is quality though for free would b worth the gamble.


2.) 05 Feb 2018 11:17:42
He is being looked as - 30 games a season for the next 2 seasons and properly managed unlike what Wenger is doing he will blossom at LFC.


3.) 05 Feb 2018 11:45:27
Another Joe Cole in my eyes. Steer well clear.


4.) 05 Feb 2018 12:24:12
That's harsh mad max.

Joe Cole could play football.


5.) 05 Feb 2018 13:27:25
Absolutely woeful player who gets lauded because he’s English and had one good game in his career. Would be fuming if we bought him because there are far better and less injury prone players around. He creates few chances, he offers no goal threat and is defensively frail.


6.) 05 Feb 2018 14:41:48
it would just be like Liverpool to sign a player like whilshire, how does he strengthen the midfield? all he would be good for would be keeping Henderson company when hendo is injured, we need to be looking at far better quality than this, I only hope this is a silly rumour and nothing more.


7.) 05 Feb 2018 22:10:54
Hardly a woeful player what a ridiculous comment although I’m hardly suprised. he is an excellent player with unfortunate luck wi injuries. if fit and at his best he would improve our centre midfield no end. problem is that the fitness can’t be relied upon. bad track record so stay clear imo.


8.) 05 Feb 2018 22:50:00
Wiltshire would be an upgrade on Grujic, Can and Gini in my opinion. If Klopp wants him then I’m happy.


9.) 06 Feb 2018 02:06:19
"theres a cracking player inside wilshire" Are you implying him and Ozil are about to make some sort of announcement?


10.) 06 Feb 2018 08:16:56
I wouldn’t be keen on him mainly due to injuries but he’s in his best form for years (not a difficult task) and wouldn’t maybe worth a punt if his wages aren’t too high and we don’t have to pay a fee.


11.) 06 Feb 2018 09:26:34
He gets stuck in and can play the ball, which is something we lack in midfield, if he stays fit and when he’s on the pitch he breaks up the play and releases the ball well then I would take him but only on a free to be fair, plus if he leaves Hitchin (his hometown) then he will be more focused on football and not on certain other things that have held his career back.


12.) 06 Feb 2018 23:00:06
He's not dedicated enough, he doesn't train hard enough, he's injured too much, he smokes and drinks in his free time/ weekends, he is miles away from the quality we should be looking at if we want to genuinely improve our midfield. Klopp is a decent coach, he is not a magician and he cannot magical transform unprofessional, uninterested players into world beaters. Wilshere will always be a case of what could have been - let another side take a punt and pay him extortionate wages, this is the exact sort of signing we need to avoid.


 

 

07 Sep 2017 16:15:37
How's this for a conspiracy theory, a factor in deciding to keep Moreno was to ensure Coutinho had a close friend in the squad.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Sep 2017 17:50:33
Moreno is klopps long lost lovechild only way to explain it.


2.) 07 Sep 2017 19:00:20
And Roberto Firmino isn't a close friend of Coutinho?


3.) 07 Sep 2017 19:54:02
Except that Klopp wanted rid of coutinho at the end.


4.) 07 Sep 2017 19:59:49
you'd think he would've kept lucas for that.


5.) 07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.


6.) 07 Sep 2017 20:15:50
He definitely is closer too moreno, moreno has a good character round the dressing room I hope he can somehow come good.

{Ed025's Note - and i want everton to win the CL hailstones...same chance..


7.) 07 Sep 2017 20:21:34
Or that Moreno has improved?

{Ed025's Note - silk purses and sows ears and all that..


8.) 07 Sep 2017 20:32:58
See his face from the bench.


9.) 07 Sep 2017 20:45:48
Moreno hasn't improved imo, he's been just as bad this season. I do however know from someone who works for the club that he's a top bloke.

{Ed025's Note - aah thats nice cobra..


10.) 07 Sep 2017 21:03:15
Ed25 seems like a nice bloke but then you remember he's a biter!


11.) 07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.


12.) 07 Sep 2017 23:08:39
Is pipco back in training?


13.) 07 Sep 2017 23:25:24
Big season ahead for Moreno. From what I saw, it was his pre season appearaces that kept him at the club,
He's another year older now and hopefully not as wrash in his decision making,

FB must be the hardest position on the pitch to play, you really need eyes in the back of your head.


14.) 08 Sep 2017 00:34:39
Yes and we kept Bogdan whom is a close friend of markovic whom is a close friend of Moreno whom of co as you said is a close friend of Coutinho.


15.) 08 Sep 2017 00:03:44
Proper neg ead u ed 025 he can improve can't he, also he has shown in the past he has had good games he has room too improve young lad comin too different league, he could b adapting, jus needs too find consistency.

{Ed025's Note - im a realist hailstones, he has been at the club for 3 years now so how long do you want to wait for him to improve?...just admit hes a lemon like karius, thats the problem with liverpool supporters they cant admit that some of their players are sub standard mate..


16.) 08 Sep 2017 06:53:30
Moreno is average going forward and when he gets beaten in defence and has to chase back he is a liability. Can't tackle and is so rash when chasing back that he gives free kicks away in dangerous areas and penalties.

Who cares if he is a nice guy.
Hate player bashing but he has a long way to go to win the fans over.


17.) 08 Sep 2017 08:53:36
Ed25, us LFC fans use to get a lot of stick for not "getting behind" players or "slagging them off" and now your saying we can't admit sub standard?
Everton fans are so delirious its quite scary. 😂🙈.

{Ed025's Note - encouragement is fine kopette, but lets not pretend that all reds players are world beaters thats all, some of them are of course (mane,couts) but there is also a lot of dross in there as well, lets just be honest mate..


18.) 08 Sep 2017 09:52:57
Were not sayin that ed 025, we sayin the lad is learning his trade he young look at david luiz no one would say he could improve look at salah also victor moses, if this season he constantly makin mistakes ok we hold our hands up, but if he shows improvement give the lad a chance, I think he can offer something an he has quality.

{Ed025's Note - we are all entitled to our opinions hailstones, the fact that you dont recognise a nugget when you see one still perplexes me though mate..


19.) 08 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Beddoerocks, you say Moreno can't tackle but I was reading an article yesterday that stated he is our leading tackler this season with 9, Matip is second on 8.


20.) 08 Sep 2017 11:09:41
Ed025, how can you call Karius a lemon? Lads only played a few games for us and he's young.

Certiainly not going to praise him yet as tour next great no 1 but don't you think it's fair to wait and see how he turns out before passing judgement? Looking through the those toffee spectacles again?!

{Ed025's Note - i have this philosophy you see hamish...if a guy knocks at my door wearing a green curly wig, bulbous red nose, yellow check suit and size 27 boots then i think to myself...this guys a clown, i dont need to interview him mate, i can tell straight away..


21.) 08 Sep 2017 12:07:48
Hahaha ok ed 025, I just like too see my glass is half full than half empty he has put in good performances an shown too b a decent left back admittedly in beginning of his liverpool career but why can't he improve mate he has time on his side, I was his biggest doubter last 2 seasons I know why u say wat u do, but this a make or break season for him, he is showin signs of getting better so I have too get behind him.

{Ed025's Note - and thats ok by me hailstones...hows the weather today in cloud cuckoo land mate.. :)


22.) 08 Sep 2017 12:09:18
Moreno isn't a nugget he a professional footballer getting paid handsomely.

{Ed025's Note - in our local Mcdonalds they now sell chicken morenos...so you could be wrong mate..


23.) 08 Sep 2017 13:09:55
Hahaha I am more into subway.


24.) 08 Sep 2017 12:50:51
Ed025, really? Come on mate you are being a little bit over the top. Moreno and Karius are both young and moved from different leagues.

Did you assume that De Gea was a lemon when he first joined United? With his comedy goal keeping and his lack of any physicality? His first season was an absolute disaster and now look at him, he's arguably one of the top 5 in the world as a keeper.

I'm not for one moment saying that Karius will get this good, I'm just saying his situation is comparable to De Gea, although I think De Gea actually had a worse first season than Karius, so we should give him a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im all for giving him a chance hsf, but he has yet to prove he is anything more than a liability so at the moment he is certainly a lemon, will he improve..possibly but until he does i think its fair to assume he is not up to the job, moreno has had 3 years and if he has not made the transition by now then we can reasonable assume hes a dud, its not all his fault though as it seems the coaching defensively at least is certainly lacking at liverpool mate..


25.) 09 Sep 2017 08:00:33
How anyone can say that Moreno hasn't had enough time to prove himself is beyond me! 1 good pre season game and everyone thinks he's Ashley Cole. He has proven time and time again he doesn't have the aptitude for being a left back and he's done nothing this season to prove me otherwise.
Training hard, having the right attitude and being a top bloke should not be enough to keep you in a team wanting to win honours.

{Ed025's Note - im with you cobra..


26.) 10 Sep 2017 20:02:35
Tizer I am not making my comment based on 2 or 3 games.

Moreno is not a good defender when turned. Season after season we have seen that. By all means throw stats around 93% of people know stats can used to prove a incorrect opinion 😁.


27.) 10 Sep 2017 22:05:34
We need a stable back 4. Chopping and changing is not ideal. We should try and develop a steady first back 4 to enable an understanding to develop. Stick Robertson in the LB slot TAA in RB slot and settle on a first choice CB pairing (Loren and Matip for me)

Klopp needs to commit as we have the players but they rarely ever play more than one game together.

If klopp rates Moreno then fine. But stand by the decision and give him a run in the team with a steady defensive line that can cover his shortcomings.


 

 

15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.


2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.


4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.


5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.


6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.


7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.


8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}


9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.


10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.


11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.


12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.


13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.


14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.


15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.


16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!


2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.

YNWA.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}


5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.


 

 

03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.


2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.


3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.


4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}


5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.


6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}


7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.

Baz.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.


9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.


10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.


11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.


12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.


13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!


14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.


15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.


16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.


17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!


18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!


19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?


20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.


21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.


22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.


23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .


24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.


25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}

*Pishy


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!


27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?


28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.


29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.


30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.


 

 

 

PutneyRed's banter posts with other poster's replies to PutneyRed's banter posts

 

20 Apr 2018 07:18:33
Hey Ed1, i wondered what your view on Shelvey is? Supposedly he's finally applying himself at Newcastle and I've seen a few articles backing him for England. With a better temperament could he have been good enough for us?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - no, he is still lazy and moves with all the speed and skill of a slug across the pitch. Just being able to smack a 50 yard ball over the top to someone is not all you need to be a quality player. He can't tackle or press, he won't chase back, he doesn't have the tactical discipline or positional sense to be playing for a team that doesn't subvert the team to protect him, like Newcastle do.}


1.) 20 Apr 2018 08:46:22
What's your view on Can then Ed01, as a comparison?

{Ed001's Note - there is no comparison, Can is a much better player overall. Neither are really particularly suited to Liverpool's style of play though.}


2.) 20 Apr 2018 09:30:03
Agreed, that they're not.


3.) 20 Apr 2018 10:10:18
Thanks Ed, always good to get your view.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}


4.) 20 Apr 2018 10:59:48
Really liked him at one point. When we had him and Henderson at the team together i thought Shelvey would've stuck around and Hendo would've been moved on.

{Ed001's Note - really? He was a terrible trainer with us, it was a relief when he went I thought.}


5.) 20 Apr 2018 13:31:25
His passing is first class for his age. One of the best English Midfield passer sine Scholes! He is positionally poor and has no discipline. His attitude stinks and gets a card every match. He could have been an excellent player coz he is naturally gifted unfortunately he chose not to!


6.) 20 Apr 2018 15:59:44
I wasn't privy to that info at the time. And, in my defence, this was around the time Kenny thought Hendo was a winger.


7.) 20 Apr 2018 22:38:14
Grujic reminds me of shelvey.


8.) 21 Apr 2018 12:18:11
Commuter (is that you, Harry? ), "One of the best English Midfield passer sine Scholes". YIKES! Are you having some of that "Hyperbole" steak Trump is on? Shelvey has been well described by Ed01 in his response to PR. I never liked Shelvey and IMO, he was in direct competition w/ Hendo 5 years ago. Can you tell me where Hendo is now in comparison to Shelvey? Exactly. Shelvey is at his level where all his flaws won't show up as Newcastle are just happy to have him. For England? NO WAY esp. if England don't wanna waste a spot on a player who is miles behind Hendo and Ox.


 

 

06 Apr 2018 12:56:42
Hey MK, I saw your note below about not posting anymore. You obviously have your reasons for doing this and you’ve kept the specifics private but I assume that one of the reasons is some of the more critical feedback you’ve received from your recent posts and articles, if I’m wrong then ignore this but if I’m not then there’s a couple of things I'd like to say.

We’re all similar in that we hold strong opinions about football and Liverpool and like sharing those thoughts with others. The great thing about this site is that it gives you a forum to discuss your interests with other people who are similarly invested (we’re quite rare in the real world) . The problem is that we’re all stubborn and we’re not always open to people who point out the flaws in our viewpoints.

Your recent article on footballers wages was a good example of this. Your central point that footballers are worth what they get paid is one I happen to agree with. Where you went wrong was a slightly clumsy comparison to nurses and soldiers which, when you were challenged about it, you refused to back down on. I think you could have taken a closer look at what others were saying to see if you had misjudged your tone.

You suggested that you’re going to restrict yourself to the occasional article and I urge you not to reconsider. Pundits are paid to have opinions but they’re rarely challenged on them, this leads them to expressing poorly thought out ideas because they’re not required to justify them. We all say things that people disagree with and sometimes we say things that are stupid, by engaging with a site like this your views can be challenged and, if you can successfully get people to agree with you, you can be reassured that your point is valid. But if you get a big backlash like you did on the wages article, you can take it as a sign that you got something wrong, revaluate and hone your point of view.

My favourite people on this site are the ones who can really demonstrate a unique and measured voice. I think you’re still finding yours and you need to embrace feedback not reject it. I think you entertain the idea of writing about football seriously, maybe even doing it professionally, this site is an excellent learning environment for such aspirations. It’s really nice when people compliment you on what you write but you won’t learn anything from that, it’s the criticism that will help you develop and you’ll get plenty of that here (just ignore the toxic stuff) .

I hope you do come back mate as you've got a lot to offer.

PutneyRed

1.) 06 Apr 2018 13:29:59
Seconded. I don't post much on here but read near daily, and appreciate your input MK. One of the people who I've come to slow down and read more carefully when you post, as I've consistently felt like it's worth the time to pay attention.

Keep at it.


2.) 06 Apr 2018 13:38:45
Excellent post Putney and really well put together. There are few long standing respected members of the site that contribute to its ongoing "good read" obviously we all have to put up with the idiots as well but that comes hand in hand with the good.

MK I echo Putney if indeed your stance is one of a reaction to what others have purveyed then learn take it on the chin and go again.

I personally never noticed your post as I've been too busy eating five course meals and sailing the Caribbean of late but your posts have always held value previously.


3.) 06 Apr 2018 14:33:21
Great post Putney, very well put mate.


4.) 06 Apr 2018 15:06:23
Dude needs a few days off then get posting again one of my favourite posters on here.
If the reason is just the replys don't worry about it. Me Harry waro probably get the worst stick on here but don't let people get to you.
This site is a great platform for us supporters to have a chance to express our views regardless if they are agreed with or not. I hope to be reading your posts soon.


5.) 06 Apr 2018 15:11:42
I've got to say I agree with the sentiments above.

MK, I've often agreed with your posts on here, and enjoy reading your articles, but at the same time nobody will ever agree with everything you write, it just doesn't happen. Unfortunately, i've found myself not responding to some of your posts or articles when I disagree, not because I don't think you can "take it", but because you can come across as quite hurt sometimes when someone disagrees with you, and for the sake of an internet message board, I don't really want to be someone who contributes to that.

I think you're a very eloquent writer, I think you speak with a lot of passion and knowledge, and a lot of the more learned posters generally tend to agree with your point of view, but I think you (personally and from a "quality of writing" point of view) would benefit greatly from taking on board dissenting opinions about what you write, and not get so hung up on trying to back up your original point at all costs.

Don't get me wrong, the very nature of this site means that now that you've got a reputation as someone with strong opinions and who's not afraid to show them, that means you will attract more "you're wrong/ you're dumb/ i'm going to disagree for the sake of it" comments from the less sensible among us, and I can see why that would make anyone defensive, especially when it seems to happen to you more than others, but just rise above, use it all to improve, and relax a lil. If anyone ever daubs "MK OUT! " graffiti on your wall, i'll be the first to come bust some heads with you, but comments on a forum are just voices in the wind, they're nothing until you use them for either positive or negative purposes, and i'd urge you to use them as positive, as this forum wouldn't be the same without your input.

Jesus that was a ramble, I shouldn't do this while at work!


6.) 06 Apr 2018 15:13:15
I am a long time reader, however my posts are very few and far between. I felt compelled to log in and second this thread though. I always stop and read when I see an MK Scouser post, I really enjoy your posts Adam. Your articles are also fantastic. Hopefully you're just taking a break and will return when the dust has settled. The site will be poorer for not having your frequent input. All the best mate.


7.) 06 Apr 2018 16:20:34
Mk this site is all about opinions mate and who cares how many people agree or disagree with yours. This isn't a popularity contest and it's not like any of our comments are going to change anything at the club we all love. Keep posting and if people don't like what you have to say then they have the option of either debating it with you or skipping past it.


8.) 06 Apr 2018 16:43:59
In couple of word I would be really sad if he does leave. I enjoy reading his stuff and as mentioned time is well spent reading his work, one of the best posts here are his. Hope he is taking just a break and will be back soon.


9.) 06 Apr 2018 16:49:56
Your just behind 001/ 002 in the pay attention to stakes MK, don't let the Muppet's get you down.


10.) 06 Apr 2018 17:33:29
No one deserves abuse. But if you write and articulate your thoughts in an open forum, you must expect criticism and disagreements. I respect and enjoy MK's input on the site, but he did write a controversial article which garnered critiques of his point. I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong with people having the right of reply - free speech works both ways. I hope MK reconsiders his stance and comes back to the site.


11.) 06 Apr 2018 18:02:51
Saw the original post, didn’t think the replies were that bad but maybe I missed some.

Agree with John Lennon. Take the disagreements and move on. I thought the original article was some time ago so I’m surprised if it’s still rumbling on.

Maybe I’ve missed something over the last week, not been on much.


12.) 06 Apr 2018 18:17:45
Come back whenever you feel like it, MK. Your input is always welcome as you are one of the few on here who actually knows what the word debate is and actually embraces it.


13.) 06 Apr 2018 23:23:40
Thank you for the kind words guys but I think everyone has the wrong end of the stick. I will still be responding to questions and article requests.

It is just too time consuming to get involved in every debate. Time is of a premium to me right now as a lot of people I care about are very ill. I Don't want to elaborate anymore than that though so please don't press for details.


14.) 07 Apr 2018 08:03:23
Understood MK. My thoughts are with you and your family.


15.) 07 Apr 2018 09:28:10
Thanks for understanding Putney. You're fast becoming my favourite poster so keep up the good work mate.


 

 

05 Apr 2018 15:49:50
My mood changes far too often, the pragmatist in me wants to say ‘The tie’s not over yet, even if we do get through we’ve still got Real, Barcelona and Bayern in our way, don’t get carried away’ but the little boy in me wants to scream from the rooftops that this is our year. Make no mistake, last night was a performance that will make the European giants **** their pants.

Man City have been clinically designed to be the best team in the world, they have the highest profile manager in the world who’s been given the resources to buy pretty much any player he wants. They have a squad so full of talent that’s doing so well in a tough league that it was practically a given that they would play in the CL final. But then Liverpool tore them apart.

We were magnificent, there’s no other word to describe it. We made a team, which is undoubtedly brilliant, look like a Championship struggler. Klopp has Guardiola spooked, he just doesn’t know how to deal with a Klopp team. It seemed yesterday that the plan was to play deep, draw out the press and play through the gaps but it just didn’t work. The Liverpool forwards just hunted the ball deeper and forced mistake after mistake out of City.

City thought that Sane would tear TAA a new one, TAA was arguably the best player on the pitch. Time and time again the ball was launched at the space behind him and time and time again he either snuffed out the danger of simply collected the ball, it was the first time I’ve watched him and really believed that this is a player good enough to be in a Liverpool first 11.

We got a small slice of luck for Salah’s goal and their disallowed effort should have stood but beyond that we were, by far, the better team. Even in the second half when we decided to shut up shop we were the better team, we kept our composure, we kept calm and every city attack was rendered impotent. I was actually a bit annoyed, I’m still waiting to see Karius be put under pressure to see if he can handle it but he had nothing to do last night.

If we get through Real, Barcelona and Bayern will all hope to avoid us because they just won’t have a clue how to approach the game. They’re used to their opposition being cagey, giving up possession to keep things tight at the back, they’re not used to opponents who give them no respect. If they play their usual games then Liverpool will do to them what we did to City last night. It’s a problem they simply don’t want to have to deal with.

But even now, after saying all that, the doubt starts creaping back in. I watched the game in the pub filled with mainly Liverpool fans and the tension was palpable. Even after Mane scored no one believed the game or tie was over, there was an expectation that City would score again. In the last 5 minutes it didn’t feel like we were 3-0 up, if felt like we were drawing and City were chasing a winner. We should get through to the semis, we have nothing to fear from our potential opponents in the next round and who knows what could happen if we reach the final but to achieve the dream we need to play for another 6 hours without dropping our concentration, one poor 15 minute spell could end things for us.

Liverpool have all the tools to win the Champions’ League but no other team still in the competition has the potential to self-destruct like we can. If we do make it through, the next month is going to leave me a nervous wreck.

PutneyRed

1.) 05 Apr 2018 16:06:45
Even with the win last night only 1 teams name is on the trophy. Imo its Real Madrids again.


2.) 05 Apr 2018 16:20:59
I do enjoy your posts Putney- you have a knack of saying exactly what I'm thinking! Keep it up mate.


3.) 05 Apr 2018 16:31:09
I honestly think Real Madrid are our biggest hurdle.
Barca are beatable as were Man City last night. High press and close them down early. Chelsea stopped them at Stamford bridge and Chelsea stopped at the Nou camp.
We won’t.
Bayern aren’t the team they used to be, yea they have got to semi final. So have we (one foot in the door)
If Man City drew Bayern instead of us. Man Cortney would of been favourites. We took Man City apart.
Real Madrid have hit form at the right time for there Champions league hopes.
Ronaldo is near on unplayable and there certainly firing on all cylinders everywhere else on the pitch.
Bayern or Barca, I’d fancy us to take it in the Semi.
Final against Madrid. anyone’s game

To long dreaming, now start believing.


4.) 05 Apr 2018 16:37:21
Great read Putney, fair play!


5.) 05 Apr 2018 17:39:29
I honestly think City’s points total and record in the league flatters to deceive. Don’t get me wrong they’re still the best team in the league but they had a thundering start and since then teams have basically bent over for them every game being too afraid to attack. If you park the bus against them, you get a rodgering. If you have a go at them, they’re suspect at best - see wolves, Bristol City x2 and us.

I still think they would have won the league this year but in much less devastating fashion if people hadn’t been such wussies when playing them, even the Chelsea’s of the worl set up not to get beat/ battered.


6.) 05 Apr 2018 17:39:40
Cheer up Walter you miserable sod.


7.) 05 Apr 2018 18:09:03
Very good post, PR BUT a few things. Those offside calls were marginal calls and if that had happened against us, I would not have complained cos having played the game for a long time at a decent level, those can happen. N btw, you need some luck to win in this competition BUT it's not like they got robbed cos they were not even competing in the game.

Also, the so called pen vs Robbo is again, touch and go cos the ball was shot straight at his arm and what do people expect him to do? Cut his arm off? Also, on the tackle on Sterling that hit his arm when he slid in, again is he supposed to cut his arm off? The City fans and the manager and players can moan all they want about things that have nothing to do with the facts of the game. City had NO shots on target in 93 mins of play. THAT is the main fact here and no amount of false narratives from the spoiled City brat players and fans, will change that. I would ask that they focus on this fact BUT I know they won't.

As for what will happen next week or later in the competition, I simply cannot think that far cos frankly, it's not the time to do that yet. Doubts are fine as that just shows that we are human so not bothered really with that. Let's just focus on Everton then, the second leg will take care of itself. If we go thru and provided we don't get Real who are no. 1 favs for the CL, I'm good with whoever we get and if we get Real then, so be it.


8.) 05 Apr 2018 18:17:03
I love a good semi😁.


9.) 05 Apr 2018 18:31:09
Negativewalter keep those pessimistic posts coming mate they seem like a lucky charm. Maybe one how the Ev will do us at the weekend.


10.) 05 Apr 2018 18:41:43
Agree with everything apart from the city goal. Sane was definitley offside. Only just but definitley off.


11.) 05 Apr 2018 18:47:51
Liverpool will win, said from day one, next round we’ll get real and then Barcelona in the final.


12.) 05 Apr 2018 18:49:02
We would smash all of those teams over 2 legs.
Final is always a bit of a lottery, players either freeze or are inspired. Their performance goes up or down 10%.

We will be in the final, absolutely certain of it. 🏆.


13.) 05 Apr 2018 20:22:53
I don't watch real enough, have seen enough of Barcelona tho to know they will be a far bigger challenge than some are saying. They've added a defensive steel and pragmatism to their style. And of course they still have messi. Their interplay has the potential to tear our midfield and defense to shreds as we are still vulnerable to being passed around.


14.) 05 Apr 2018 20:30:55
Love reading your posts Putney 💪.


15.) 05 Apr 2018 20:44:30
I think Real are the main hurdle. Barcelona if they come out like they did at Stanford will get ripped. But going to the nou camp is a different story, plus messi is messi, if it's his game, he's hard to stop.

Bayern are still a good side but not quite the power house they were.

Real Madrid are in form and love europe like we do, Ronaldo is banging them in for fun however they do concede goals.

Think madrid is the strongest but any of the teams could win it on their night.

Though i remember being a wee lad watching Instanbul. Something about liverpool in Europe is just different, like last nights game i wasn't there but still getting goosebumps from just seeing/ hearing the atmosphere on videos. We definitely are in it as much as the other teams!


16.) 05 Apr 2018 22:00:24
I honestly think Bayern are the best team left. For me this a poor Madrid side and Ronaldo the only inspiration (which brings a lot to the table), Barcelona are ok, but similar to city if we play our game we will smash them. Bayern are a solid team, but still beatable.


17.) 05 Apr 2018 23:36:26
Mad max, as we have seen over the past 3 seasons in the CL, CR7 is all you need as things stand.


 

 

England's prospects ahead of the World Cup

22 Mar 2018 12:59:51
{Ed's Note - PutneyRed has posted a new article entitled, England's prospects ahead of the World Cup

PutneyRed

1.) 22 Mar 2018 13:48:00
I agree with a lot of what you say putney, a well thought out argument. I also liken Belgium to our England team with stevie g and Frank lampard, rio etc.

Southgate was not unremarkable, as you say, for the U21s though was he? , didn't he win something with them?

If I were a manager I would not relish being England manager, they get ripped to pieces by the press when we under perform, when in fact it is the players who under perform. They are so scared of making a mistake that they don't try anything exceptional (players) . That's why youngsters tend to do well for England in tournaments, coz they are less driven by media pressure imo.

I think in international football the result is everything. F*** how they play as long as they win. I have been so bored watching England lately, with players literally walking with the ball and playing no risk football but at the end of the day I smile because at least we won. Gareth's record so far has been pretty good results wise. We qualified top of the group (which is massive as it means there are only one other big team in our wc group and not 2. We will get through. But if we want to win it we will have to lose the shackles, the fear (Hodgson alluded to it in the euros and he was right)

I don't think Roy was that bad, we played exciting football under him, played with less fear and Harry kane taking corners? You know what, I get it. Corners are huge in international tournaments, the games are (usually) so cagey that you don't get many chances. How many times have we seen corners wasted? And even sending the opposition on a counter attack. Harry kane's best attribute (and he says this himself) is his accuracy with the football. Roy was thinking that kane would put the ball in the danger area every time and you don't have to be kane to score from 3 yards. As it happens it wasn't successful and on the other hand it is international football, we should have loads of players capable of sending in a good corner.

I think the lack of big ego players like we had 10/ 15 years ago is a really good thing, we need to play as a team (lampard not passing to Gerrard pissed me off as both an England and Liverpool fan) I believe we can win it, I really do. I know he is a Manc player but rashford is class and just the sort of player to unlock a cagey defence. We have players with excellent organisational skills like Henderson and I think aoc will have a great world cup. We need more players who are willing to run with the ball.

I agree that we should be getting to the 1/ 4 finals at least but I reckon we will get to the semis, I reckon we will beat Belgium and once we make the semis who knows?

I can't wait though, I absolutely love summers with international football to watch EVERYDAY! Brilliant. And there are always moments of magic and upsets.

I hope there is no violence. Russia and England have a history and I think English fans could be easily provoked.


2.) 22 Mar 2018 13:58:39
England's problem is that it just tries to shoehorn all the best players into an XI. I'm looking at this squad and I can see lots of potential.

For me, your central 4 defensive players picks itself. Pope, Tarkowski, Mee and Cork. None of them are world beaters but they are all grafters who put it in defensively and will keep clean sheets. They have already built up an understanding as they play together every week at Burnley who have a superb defensive record.

The wing backs again, pick themselves. You have Rose and Walker who are both great going forward and work back hard. They have a good understanding from their Tottenham days and when one bombs on the other does tend to hold off a touch but gets far enough forward to recycle an over hit cross that goes straight through the box.

Into midfield and for me you pick your two players ahead of Cork out of Hendo, Lallana, Ox and Milner. They all play together at club level and again, that understanding is key.

The front 3 is really quite obvious for me. Kane and Alli have to be a part of it as their link up play is superb (plus they are our only world class players), and the other position should really be a direct runner like Son, to make it a similar front 3 to that of Spurs. Sterling or Rashford? Either will do. I'd pick Sterling as he links up well with Henderson.

Pope
Walker, Tarkowski, Mee, Rose
Hendo, Cork, Lallana
Sterling, Kane, Alli

Utilise the club links you have. Why do you think Spain will have Ramos next to Carvarjal and Pique next to Alba? And Busquets next to Iniesta. Isco and Asensio with Morata who all know each other from Madrid. They'll get their key partnerships in the side and then fill out the XI with their best individuals like De Gea and Silva.

Football is much easier when you know what your team mates are about to do. England just seem to chuck all their stars into a hat and pick out the best XI individuals. No doubt Stones, Maguire, Dier etc will play in a back 3 despite the fact they are all silent ball players and none of them can defend. So get ready for a first knockout round elimination as usual.


3.) 22 Mar 2018 14:24:14
Is Burnley's defence that good or is it just that the team is set up very defensively? I'd want England to play more expansively than Burnley and I'd be concerned that the Burnley players would be found it in an open game. If they are good enough though it would be worth giving them run out together in a friendly.

{Ed001's Note - Tarkowski is awful, he is a penalty risk in every game as he is rash and wild with his challenges.}


4.) 22 Mar 2018 14:34:08
Nice one, Putney. All of what you said makes perfect sense, in any logical universe.
Truth be told, I expect nothing of England this summer. We have a smattering of class, like you say, but there are too many average players in the spine of the team to accomplish anything sensational. It pains me to say it, but I think we need to (or rather Southgate needs to) channel our (his) inner Mourinho to progress very far in the World Cup. If everyone says England are boring, then by all means, bore everyone to victory! We simply don't possess the players to bamboozle the opposition.

One thing I quite like about Southgate is that he does seem to be adaptive. Yes he picks Livermore (why, oh why? ), Hart and Wellbeck, but he also does seem to understand our limitations, as shown in our pragmatism in recent high profile friendlies. You can see why in what Iceland did to us. They held fast against theoretically superior opposition and made their chances count, much like the way various teams have done against Liverpool. Instead of trying to be on the front foot all the time and failing, Southgate does look to be initiating a steady ground first and then building from the back. I think it's the best tactic for us.

Time will tell. I expect not a lot and hope for the best. If we can squeeze that 90% we'll be doing alright.


5.) 22 Mar 2018 14:40:44
Burnley as a defensive unit are good. Individually, Tarkowski isn't that good, but he works alongside Mee, Pope and Cork.

Why should England play more expensively than Burnley? Burnley are the 7th best team in the Premier League. Are England the 7th best team in the world? I don't think so. I only just rate them in the top 10 to be honest.

Maybe that is England's biggest problem now? A refusal to accept that we are not at the level we think we are as a nation. We have a great attack. Kane, Alli, Sterling and Rashford can all score goals with limited service. However, our midfield is average by international standards and the defence is atrocious. Stones, Dier and Maguire? That is the worst backline I've seen at international level in my lifetime, and I've seen Chile play with 4 midfielders in defence. But believe me, that will almost certainly be Southgates defence.

England are not that good mate. We should be playing like Burnley and if we try and outplay France, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, or Belgium we will get absolutely muller riced.

We need to accept we are an average team and then maybe we can do a Greece or a Portugal and win a tournament playing last ditch defensive football.


6.) 22 Mar 2018 14:44:38
Look at it this way; England will have their backs to the wall as soon as they face a good team. Will Stones, Dier or Henderson cope with that when they play in teams which dominate possession? No way. They'll crumble. Tarkowski, Mee and Cork are well up for a bit of last ditch heroic battling as the underdog. They do it every week! We don't have the midfield quality to control the game. Henderson is the best midfielder in the England squad and he is no more than a good player.


7.) 22 Mar 2018 15:25:24
Agreed Ed, Ben mee is the star of that Burnley defence and has been for a while. Makes those around him better.


8.) 22 Mar 2018 21:44:35
I will give you 100/ 1 England win a corner. They are useless worse than Everton - No offence Ed.

{Ed025's Note - very harsh mark.. :)


9.) 22 Mar 2018 23:28:19
England repeat the same mistakes year on year, manager after manager, tournament to tournament. They have years to prepare for every major tournament yet never know their best eleven come the start of the tournament, they experiment with different formations in the final build up matches pre-tournament as they don’t have a set style of play or preferred formation.
This year seems worst than ever, no number 1 goalkeeper, no idea who the 1st choice centre backs are, a reliance on Dier in midfield who has the turning circle of the QE2 and can’t pass the ball, no width still 😳 and the obligatory captain/ star player injured in the final weeks prior to the tournament.
Combined with a domestic schedule that lends no support to the national side whatsoever, why people continue to be as surprised as the double take brothers with every tournament failure is beyond me.
Can anybody really explain what Southgate has been doing during and since qualification to right the embarrassment of the Euro exit to Iceland?
Wasted months making a decision on Rooney, did nothing to replace Hart who has failed dismally in the the Euros, and has not brought centre backs, strikers or midfielders in to the frame in readiness for the competition for experience.
This will be the most inexperienced under prepared England squad ever to play in a World Cup, reason = the sole objective was to qualify as always, not to win the tournament.
Blame lies firmly at the door of the FA, give the manager a £2M bonus for making the final itself not for qualifying for the tournament from a group that offered no challenge, these people really are idiots. If you want to incentivise the England managers job, make it silly money for winning a Euro championship or World Cup,
I don’t think any fan would deny the England manager a £5M or £10M bonus for bringing those trophies back.
Performance related pay rather than millions for mediocrity, sorry for long rant, the FA are a Mickey Mouse joke of an organisation 🤡’s.


10.) 23 Mar 2018 00:00:45
Pope
Walker
Gomez
Stones
Smalling
Rose
Sterling
Henderson
Wiltshire
Alli
Kane
Squad/ subs
Butland
Bertrand
Young
Cahill
Ox
Lingard
Winks
Rashford
Vardy
Lallana
Pickford
Jones.


11.) 23 Mar 2018 06:14:41
Enjoyed that - it was a good read. Personally think we will play poorly and crash out in the knockout rounds, that always seems to be the way with the national team - I just hope the players are given the freedom to really push and utilise their attacking strength - it is clearly our strong area so why not try and score a load of goals and go out with a bang rather than a whimper?


 

 

20 Mar 2018 17:35:41
I’m going to be honest here, I expected Salah’s goals to dry up a while ago, I thought he'd run out of steam of the opposition would figure out how to stop him. What he's achieving is hard to fathom, here’s a player who hadn’t made a success of his first crack at the Premier League, who was supposedly a second or even third choice purchase, who isn’t a dedicated striker, in his debut season with a good but still in development side who is on course to have the greatest season, in terms of goal scoring at least, of any player in Premier League history, it’s just crazy!

How crazy? Salah is only the tenth player to score 28 goals in a 38-game PL season, he’s hit that mark with seven games to go. He’s only three goals behind the record for a single season shared between Shearer, Ronaldo and Suarez, barring injury it’s almost a formality that he’ll break it. To hammer home the point he’s currently scoring at a rate of one goal every 85 minutes, only two other players (who scored at least 20 goals) have broken the 90 minute barrier (Ronaldo, 89 minutes in the 07/ 08 season and Kane who holds the record at a goal every 87 minutes last season) .

The surprising thing is that he’s not even a classic world star, he doesn’t bamboozle defenders with fancy tricks or have an unnatural ability to manipulate the ball, he’s just brutally efficient. Klopp’s team is at it’s best either on the counter attack or when it steals the ball in the opposition half, in these situations Salah can receive the ball behind the opposition midfield and find himself in a one on one with defenders who simply cannot cope with his pace and strength. It’s then a ‘simple’ case of creating a half a yard of space and slotting beyond a despairing keeper.

For some reason though, I still doubt the greatness I'm witnessing. The great Liverpool goal scorers of my time have been Torres, Suarez and Sturridge (sadly Fowler peaked just before I started following Liverpool seriously and Owen was never great), I’ve seen each of those players do things that boggle the mind and made me purr but Salah has yet to elicit that reaction in me despite scoring enough goals to put them all to shame. Is it because he plays the game more simply and his style is less aesthetic? Maybe I want to be astonished and he’s made goal scoring look so easy. Whatever my emotional reaction to him objectively he's been sensational, the only question is 'are we witnessing a one-season wonder or the emergence of the next great star'? I can't wait to find out.

PutneyRed

1.) 20 Mar 2018 18:11:30
Due to his mentality i seriously doubt Salah is a one season wonder, and i can't wait until he proves it.


2.) 20 Mar 2018 18:42:42
Good read, PR. I always knew Salah would help us as his time at Roma was brilliant. If he had even scored 19 in all comps. like he did at Roma last season, I would have been chuffed cos that is not a total to sneeze at. But man, I did not know he would be this good. Not even good, great. All the credit should go to Klopp for improving him, putting the whole team in a position to harness Salah's qualities and playing Salah more closer to goal, something he was not doing at Roma.

The good thing as Nostradamus said, is that Salah has a fantastic attitude not just to football, but to his life. Everything he does is guided by his faith which shapes his being, recognizing the qualities of hard work, humility, kindness and love for your fellow man. I don't think he will be a one season wonder as well. Why? We will bring in players next season to play alongside him and make him better, just like Klopp did with well, Salah coming in to play alongside Bobbie, Sadio and Cou. And if he even scores 25 goals next season, I'll still be happy.

{Ed002's Note - Why give all of this creditr to Klopp - he needed persuading by the scouts to even consider buying him?}


3.) 20 Mar 2018 18:54:26
That is what a scout is about, seeing what a manager maybe doesn't because he has watched the player more often then the manager might have done
Im sure back in the days of the greatest scout ever Geoff Twentyman he would have had to do the same with the managers he scouted for
The manager get the player and moulds them into his team and give the the right tactics to carry out to make them a success personally and team wise imo so Klopp and the scouts or Michael Edward or whoever all deserve credit.

{Ed002's Note - Everyone is giving all of the credit to Klopp - it is nonsense.}


4.) 20 Mar 2018 19:14:52
Klopp deserves the credit for giving him the freedom to play in the role he is playing. why didn't salah score 28 goals in an inferior lge in italy.


5.) 20 Mar 2018 19:22:18
I have stated that I thought salahs goals would dry up about a month ago I was of the opinion he might be a 1 season wonder.
The feller is beating all expectations. I hope he can continue for at least another season. Really hope he picks up player of the year award.


6.) 20 Mar 2018 19:26:42
Spot on, Fruitba. Ed02, I gave Klopp all the credit for putting the team in a position to harness Salah's talent. After all, he is the one that is paid to get the best out of the players he himself agreed in some way to allow to come here cos he could have stood his ground and said no and Salah would not be here. He gets credit for actually listening and deferring to his scouts instead of making it about himself cos there is a manager not too far from LFC, who makes everything all about himself.


7.) 20 Mar 2018 19:29:41
Im giving equal credit. klopp and salah work well together. Can you imagine salah in mourinho's team. He'd prob still be playing left back replacing luke shaw.


8.) 20 Mar 2018 19:43:49
the team have done a great job. Do we really need to give all the credit in one direction? Klopp has openly said himself what happened, he's been frank about it and it worked out. isn't that a good thing from Klopp? and scouts obviously did their job. so full credit to the team!


9.) 20 Mar 2018 19:36:49
Sorry ed002, but Klopp may not have wanted him as much as Brandt and may have needed pursuading but he is not only in charge of recruitment he's also in charge of coaching players, and I think it would be very naive to think his coaching and man management hasn't improved Salah. Firstly he's put him further up the field and requested he goes for goals more than create them. Whereas in previous teams he's been coached to play more wide and think to create first and score second. Of course the majority of credit goes to the player as it is upto him to make good of his chance and to showcase his talents. But as an example if we had Brendon Rodgers in charge he could have easily played him as a wing back and completely restricted him, so I'd happily argue Klopp deserves credit and it's not nonsense at all.

{Ed002's Note - He is not in charge of recruitment.}


10.) 20 Mar 2018 20:23:19
Makes a change for Salah to get credit he deserves on this forum. I hope he will become a Liverpool great. He is an improving player each year so no reason he can't continue this level.

He is playing with a poor midfield so as the midfield will hopefully improve next season he will look even better.

No Salah take a bow son.

Ed002 I take your point a bit of good luck has come our way.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is not good luck he is playing the best he ever has. It is the Klopp “blowsiest” who really don’t just get it.}


11.) 20 Mar 2018 20:45:19
I meant good luck we have Salah and not Brandt etc. We somehow ended up with the best option so all is good for me.


12.) 20 Mar 2018 20:48:17
I personally think when you get to the levels Salah has this season it is pretty much down to the player and his skill and focus to want to succeed.

I do think out formation and how we set up lends us to his style but hats off to the guy. I really hope he wins something with us.

As for Klopp he's on the right track, we are playing some of the best football in a while. Next transfer window is a big one for us in my opinion. Keep our front three and strengthen our midfield and we should see ourselves with a title challenge which is all you can really ask for as a fan. Just hope for non of the antics from a few windows back with the tapping up etc. But with Ed002 saying he's not looking after recruitment that will hopefully be a thing of a past for the players involved sake at least.

But for now let's just enjoy some of the football we are getting to see due to Salah playing at the levels he is. Hopefully he can continue to end of the season the guy genuinely seems like a great guy it's great seeing the lads playing with a smile on there faces when results like watford come in.


13.) 20 Mar 2018 20:51:23
Ed002 you've just corrected one mistake in my post and ignored my actual point. I expect that from narrow minded posters but not from you. I only mentioned Klopp being in charge of recruitment because you said he needed persuading to recruit him. I always appreciate your insight it's second to none when it comes to general football knowledge but if you can't see that Klopp deserves some credit for Salahs form, especially after ignoring the valid points I've made, I sense this is a pointless debate with you as you don't understand the role of a coach and the positive effects man management can have.
Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Salah’s form is down largely to the player - sadly some folks dismiss that and say it is all down to Klopp.}


14.) 20 Mar 2018 20:54:30
The Grinch, hope you get another movie soon Eds2.


15.) 20 Mar 2018 20:56:27
That's funny Ed02 - you seemed to be all over Klopp with the signing of Karius (when he was playing badly) - now you're changing your tune over a player that's been excellent, saying Salah wasn't a Klopp signing.

Funny that? Would never have guessed you would have a dig at Klopp?

Your disdain for Klopp is remarkable - I can't quite work it out. Such a bitter man on times.

{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that I was ever all over a player and I have nothing but good stuff to say about Salah. But clearly you are no more than an ignorant fuckwit that knows nothing about the game, The players nor Klopp and want to somehow blame me.}


16.) 20 Mar 2018 21:14:49
Salah does have a bag of tricks to bamboozle defenders, he out the Watford centre back on his bum and what about the goal against spurs?


17.) 20 Mar 2018 23:01:52
All credit to klopp on Salah! I don’t known who get the credit for Mignolet, Lovren and Markovic 😆.


18.) 20 Mar 2018 21:38:22
The reasons are simple in my opinion, he has extreme motivation to become the best player in the world. He has improved literally every single season since his move to europe. He trains extra hours, he does what he has to do to attract the interest of Real Madrid to win the biggest trophies and to become the world's best player. Sadly we are nothing but a feeder club to Madrid and Barca. It breaks my heart to say that.

I don't think we will ever reach the heights of f. eks Manchester City because we are simply not prepared to pay even close to what players of Salah's caliber earn elsewhere. I know this post will get mad hate but its the sad truth about our current situation. If he stays another season it will be a small miracle, because well yeah, i can't see the club rejecting world record fee bids for a record breaking super star! PSG are sniffing around as well by the way.

I hope we finally take a stand of some sort and show we really want to win trophies and compete with the best regularly and prove all my words nothing but mad ramblings. If he stays one more sesason i still think he will eventually move in the summr of 2019. I just think its enivitable due to our current and never ending ''transition''

The only way we will keep him as long as we want is winning the Champions League this or next season or the Premier league next season and doubling his current wages. He is that hungry for success, his childhood ambition is to become the best African player of all time and to earn so much that he can give a lot of it away to help those in need in Egypt. let's hope and pray that success is around the corner for Liverpool because i am tired of all the best players leaving the PL in general and Liverpool specifically.


19.) 20 Mar 2018 22:02:17
I don't know who to thank for Salah been as good as he's been (I don't find it important) all I know is, I'm grateful for having such a great player, more then anybody I thank him for performing at the highest quality almost every single game.


20.) 20 Mar 2018 22:22:59
Jordz I agree with you mate.


21.) 20 Mar 2018 23:34:06
Salah has been an absolute phenomenon this season - what an incredible player and a huge amount has to be credited to his mix of dedication, hard work, self belief, faith and humility. As the saying goes, it takes years to become an overnight success, and how he’s behaved through it all is a massive credit to him.

What can’t be ignored however is that he’s playing among the most dangerous looking front 3 I’ve seen in a long time and in a team that’s creating a huge amount of chances per game. That takes nothing away from Salah at all, someone else wouldn't have done what he’s done with the opportunity, but Klopps part in setting the conditions to allow the team to play this way can’t be ignored either. Play him alongside a more selfish striker, or in a weaker front three that doesn’t utilize the turnover ball so effectively, and he’d still be incredible, but the conditions have to be almost perfect to do what he’s doing now.

Oh, and that doesn’t explain the goals where he puts 4 defenders on their backside. those are all him.


22.) 20 Mar 2018 22:59:12
I agree Ed, I liken Salah to Suarez under Rodgers or Torres in his pomp. It really doesn’t matter who coaches players with god given talent like theirs, Messi and Ronaldo could play for any team and any manager, even Allardyce and Mourinho couldn’t ruin them 😋
I’m old school the managers primary role is spot talent that suits the club and style of play, Bob Paisley was a genius at it, rarely made a poor signing. Ferguson was good but he made some howlers too (admittedly it is judging him over a very long period of time, similar Wenger now) .
Sign great players with a winning mentality and tell them to go and enjoy themselves, never mind 180 page dossier, that’s my philosophy in a sentence, might put my application in for the next vacancy that crops up 😂.


23.) 21 Mar 2018 00:24:28
Ed is right, there are a lot of people behind the scenes at Liverpool who work hard to find the next star player, they travel all over the world looking for talent.
Of course klopp deserves credit, for taking us from 6th place hopefulls to 2nd place contenders and possible European success, but so does the whole club, for the wonderful club they are.

I don't understand why anyone would want to leave Liverpool. I just wish Southampton had sold us van dyke in the summer instead playing games. I honestly think we would be right on city's tail and clear second or even 1st. Oh well, next season! I'm 37 and I've been saying that for 25+ years.

This is one of the best liverpool sides I've seen for a long time too.


24.) 21 Mar 2018 05:44:41
I think ed is trying to point out he is playing for his move to real which he has openly enquired about. Just saying!

{Ed001's Note - I think people should stop letting Ed002 wind them up because Salah himself has credited Klopp with improving him. So yes, he has to have some of the credit for the improvement, which is nothing to do with Madrid, at all. Silly comment by you, he is not playing for a move, that is a by product of his good form not the reason. You are just saying nonsense made up by you.}


25.) 21 Mar 2018 07:20:23
Yeah I thought it was a fluke for a couple of months but no. He is pure class. That goal against city and the one against spurs. Unreal.


26.) 21 Mar 2018 08:02:32
Two points I'd like to make.

Of course Klopp deserves credit for where we are, simply because we consciously compare it to where we were last year or in previous years. But the credit should go simply to his "management" of the team, his strategies, his tactics, his philosophy and the execution of it by himself and the staff he manages. That includes the players too. But to say he is responsible for Salah's goals is way over the top. Klopp derves the credit for managing an environment that allows Salah to score those goals. And that's it. There's a reason the player's name is on the scoreboard after a goal, and not the manager's. The player gets maximum credit for the goal and rightly so. Has Salah improved? Definitely so. But it's still him sticking the ball inside the nets. Do Messi and Ronaldo share their Ballon d'Ors and Golden Boots (and whatever else) with their managers? They've both been managed by some of the best managers on the planet, but nobody really gives a damn about them, as long as these two are sticking those goals in.

I don't get why people are after Ed002, all the time? What's the problem? By being on this page (reading and posting), we are all fans or supporters of LFC. And consequently, we have certain inbuilt biases that will always show up in some way or another. Ed002 on the other hand is a moderator and a person who provides valuable transfer rumours and information (that we all hunger for voraciously) . He does NOT need to share our pro LFC attitude and biases. And he has said a few times that he supports Chelsea (and maybe some other teams - I don't remember) . What's wrong with that? For me, he is mostly even and unbiased with his short pithy replies. People interpret them as anti-LFC or anti anything because they don't match our expectations. Sure, he plays mind games, because he knows how to do it and probably loves doing it with LFC supporters. You let yourself be had, when you fall for them. Ed001 is clearly pro LFC (and as co-founder of these sites he can be anything he wants) . Ed025 is pro Everton but has a pleasing style of communication (Ed025 has clearly said we are not winning the UCL. People said nothing. But if Ed002 says anything similar, the knives come out) . Ed0333 is clearly pro LFC, too.

People need to chill a bit. And sort out their perspectives. Before jumping into flashmobs. Just saying.

{Ed001's Note - well said ra. Like I said, I wish people would stop letting what Ed002 says wind them up. They read too much into it and just can't handle a view that isn't biased. Disagree with him by all means, but there is no need for the ridiculous abuse he gets just because he is not saying what we all want to hear.}


27.) 21 Mar 2018 08:13:46
Thanks Ed.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate. Nice to read a reasonable and thought out view.}


28.) 21 Mar 2018 08:27:05
Very well said ra1969.


29.) 21 Mar 2018 09:34:39
I do remember Fowler at his pomp, and what Salah's been able to do is combine Fowler's brain with Owen's (early) pace.

What his did to Watford twice, once when Bitros ended up on his backside, and once when he took out 4-5 defenders with a change of direction and pace was utterly bamboozling!

Combine that with the goal (I don't remember who against) where he took about 5 touches (including a little header) in front of the keeper and defender to guide the ball into a (then) empty net is just incredible.

And then look at the power shots from the edge of the area.

A complete forward this seasons, and hopefully for many more to come.

P.s. I don't care who gives or takes credit, I'm just glad he's here and playing like he is!


30.) 21 Mar 2018 10:24:46
Well said ra, never understood the abuse editors get or posters for that matter. I do though, think everyone should be prone to both praise and criticism, regardless of position or power as that's what helps us all learn and improve our understanding of the game.
Cheers.


31.) 21 Mar 2018 10:19:48
I absolutely agree with you ed002, my original post clearly states Salahs form is mostly down to himself, but ignoring the impact a manager makes would also be incredibly naive, even Salah himself admitted that Klopp told him to go further up the pitch and to try and score more.
Maybe a better way of wording it is Klopp has given Salah the platform to perform to his greatest potential. And for that, he does deserve credit. I remember the days Rodgers would play Firmino out wide and Sterling at wing back and it was incredibly frustrating to watch their potentials hindered.
Cheers.


32.) 21 Mar 2018 18:49:04
You have to have the right mix of a player working his nuts off and that player being in a good team which suits his style of play.
There’s a balance of credit due to both parties. Salah seems a very humble lad and I’m sure he recognises the contribution that Klopp, the coaches and his team mates have had in his success.


 

 

 

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13 Apr 2018 07:10:28
It's funny how things change, with Can leaving and Wiji's form now in question Milner is likely to be our fourth midfielder (or fifth if we bring in a midfielder beyond Keita) . I like it when a player forces his way into contention though good form and hard work.

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If Grujic can prove himself there is a place for him in the squad next season, we need a back up to Hendo and, with Can leaving, there's no suitable alternative at the club. However I think that Klopp doesn't trust him and will bring in someone else for that rule with Grujic going on another loan or being sold.

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21 Mar 2018 12:03:49
If Grujic can prove himself there is a place for him in the squad next season, we need a back up to Hendo and, with Can leaving, there's no suitable alternative at the club. However I think that Klopp doesn't trust him and will bring in someone else for that rule with Grujic going on another loan or being sold.

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That's good news Ed, I'm worried that a new CB would pretty much end Gomez's future with the club.

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That's interesting but it suggests we'll be bidding for a back up striker in the summer. I wonder who's on the short list.

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Thanks Ed, always good to get your view.

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16 Apr 2018 09:02:08
To come to the OP's defence I think there are definitely three keepers that the neutral would put above Karius and probably 5, 8 may be stretching it though.

I think we'd all agree that DDG is above him whilst Pope had had a bigger impact than him in the battle of the rookies. The third would be Ederson who had played a key role in turning City into title winners.

The other two are Courtois and Lloris, I haven't watched either of them closely this season but in previous seasons they've been performing at a level Karius hasn't reached yet.

I've been pleasantly surprised by how solid Karius has been but, as I've said a lot recently, his form had bought him more time to prove himself, rather than he's cemented his position as our goalkeeper.

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Not that this means anything but a stats site that ranks players makes Karius the fourth best keeper this season behind Ederson, Lloris and Pope. DDG and Courtois make up a top six that are way ahead of the rest.

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Faith, it cuts both ways, yes we have to give youth a chance but they still need to be assessed. Ultimately they exist to improve the team, if they're not doing that then they have to move on. Origi had his chance, didn't make the grade and was moved on. Solanke still has time but sooner or later he needs to start benefiting the team, otherwise what's the point?

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As another fan who loves a yet I'm delighted with hire this signing has turned out and he's rapidly becoming one of my favourite posters at the club.

I do think there's something holding him back though at the moment and that's his final ball. He's excellent on the ball but he needs to learn when to release it and improve his attacking passing. Too many times he tries to release forwards but can't find them. If he can improve that aspect of his game then he'll cement his place in our starting eleven.

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