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07 Sep 2017 16:15:37
How's this for a conspiracy theory, a factor in deciding to keep Moreno was to ensure Coutinho had a close friend in the squad.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Sep 2017 17:50:33
Moreno is klopps long lost lovechild only way to explain it.


2.) 07 Sep 2017 19:00:20
And Roberto Firmino isn't a close friend of Coutinho?


3.) 07 Sep 2017 19:54:02
Except that Klopp wanted rid of coutinho at the end.


4.) 07 Sep 2017 19:59:49
you'd think he would've kept lucas for that.


5.) 07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.


6.) 07 Sep 2017 20:15:50
He definitely is closer too moreno, moreno has a good character round the dressing room I hope he can somehow come good.

{Ed025's Note - and i want everton to win the CL hailstones...same chance..


7.) 07 Sep 2017 20:21:34
Or that Moreno has improved?

{Ed025's Note - silk purses and sows ears and all that..


8.) 07 Sep 2017 20:32:58
See his face from the bench.


9.) 07 Sep 2017 20:45:48
Moreno hasn't improved imo, he's been just as bad this season. I do however know from someone who works for the club that he's a top bloke.

{Ed025's Note - aah thats nice cobra..


10.) 07 Sep 2017 21:03:15
Ed25 seems like a nice bloke but then you remember he's a biter!


11.) 07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.


12.) 07 Sep 2017 23:08:39
Is pipco back in training?


13.) 07 Sep 2017 23:25:24
Big season ahead for Moreno. From what I saw, it was his pre season appearaces that kept him at the club,
He's another year older now and hopefully not as wrash in his decision making,

FB must be the hardest position on the pitch to play, you really need eyes in the back of your head.


14.) 08 Sep 2017 00:34:39
Yes and we kept Bogdan whom is a close friend of markovic whom is a close friend of Moreno whom of co as you said is a close friend of Coutinho.


15.) 08 Sep 2017 00:03:44
Proper neg ead u ed 025 he can improve can't he, also he has shown in the past he has had good games he has room too improve young lad comin too different league, he could b adapting, jus needs too find consistency.

{Ed025's Note - im a realist hailstones, he has been at the club for 3 years now so how long do you want to wait for him to improve?...just admit hes a lemon like karius, thats the problem with liverpool supporters they cant admit that some of their players are sub standard mate..


16.) 08 Sep 2017 06:53:30
Moreno is average going forward and when he gets beaten in defence and has to chase back he is a liability. Can't tackle and is so rash when chasing back that he gives free kicks away in dangerous areas and penalties.

Who cares if he is a nice guy.
Hate player bashing but he has a long way to go to win the fans over.


17.) 08 Sep 2017 08:53:36
Ed25, us LFC fans use to get a lot of stick for not "getting behind" players or "slagging them off" and now your saying we can't admit sub standard?
Everton fans are so delirious its quite scary. 😂🙈.

{Ed025's Note - encouragement is fine kopette, but lets not pretend that all reds players are world beaters thats all, some of them are of course (mane,couts) but there is also a lot of dross in there as well, lets just be honest mate..


18.) 08 Sep 2017 09:52:57
Were not sayin that ed 025, we sayin the lad is learning his trade he young look at david luiz no one would say he could improve look at salah also victor moses, if this season he constantly makin mistakes ok we hold our hands up, but if he shows improvement give the lad a chance, I think he can offer something an he has quality.

{Ed025's Note - we are all entitled to our opinions hailstones, the fact that you dont recognise a nugget when you see one still perplexes me though mate..


19.) 08 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Beddoerocks, you say Moreno can't tackle but I was reading an article yesterday that stated he is our leading tackler this season with 9, Matip is second on 8.


20.) 08 Sep 2017 11:09:41
Ed025, how can you call Karius a lemon? Lads only played a few games for us and he's young.

Certiainly not going to praise him yet as tour next great no 1 but don't you think it's fair to wait and see how he turns out before passing judgement? Looking through the those toffee spectacles again?!

{Ed025's Note - i have this philosophy you see hamish...if a guy knocks at my door wearing a green curly wig, bulbous red nose, yellow check suit and size 27 boots then i think to myself...this guys a clown, i dont need to interview him mate, i can tell straight away..


21.) 08 Sep 2017 12:07:48
Hahaha ok ed 025, I just like too see my glass is half full than half empty he has put in good performances an shown too b a decent left back admittedly in beginning of his liverpool career but why can't he improve mate he has time on his side, I was his biggest doubter last 2 seasons I know why u say wat u do, but this a make or break season for him, he is showin signs of getting better so I have too get behind him.

{Ed025's Note - and thats ok by me hailstones...hows the weather today in cloud cuckoo land mate.. :)


22.) 08 Sep 2017 12:09:18
Moreno isn't a nugget he a professional footballer getting paid handsomely.

{Ed025's Note - in our local Mcdonalds they now sell chicken morenos...so you could be wrong mate..


23.) 08 Sep 2017 13:09:55
Hahaha I am more into subway.


24.) 08 Sep 2017 12:50:51
Ed025, really? Come on mate you are being a little bit over the top. Moreno and Karius are both young and moved from different leagues.

Did you assume that De Gea was a lemon when he first joined United? With his comedy goal keeping and his lack of any physicality? His first season was an absolute disaster and now look at him, he's arguably one of the top 5 in the world as a keeper.

I'm not for one moment saying that Karius will get this good, I'm just saying his situation is comparable to De Gea, although I think De Gea actually had a worse first season than Karius, so we should give him a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im all for giving him a chance hsf, but he has yet to prove he is anything more than a liability so at the moment he is certainly a lemon, will he improve..possibly but until he does i think its fair to assume he is not up to the job, moreno has had 3 years and if he has not made the transition by now then we can reasonable assume hes a dud, its not all his fault though as it seems the coaching defensively at least is certainly lacking at liverpool mate..


25.) 09 Sep 2017 08:00:33
How anyone can say that Moreno hasn't had enough time to prove himself is beyond me! 1 good pre season game and everyone thinks he's Ashley Cole. He has proven time and time again he doesn't have the aptitude for being a left back and he's done nothing this season to prove me otherwise.
Training hard, having the right attitude and being a top bloke should not be enough to keep you in a team wanting to win honours.

{Ed025's Note - im with you cobra..


26.) 10 Sep 2017 20:02:35
Tizer I am not making my comment based on 2 or 3 games.

Moreno is not a good defender when turned. Season after season we have seen that. By all means throw stats around 93% of people know stats can used to prove a incorrect opinion 😁.


27.) 10 Sep 2017 22:05:34
We need a stable back 4. Chopping and changing is not ideal. We should try and develop a steady first back 4 to enable an understanding to develop. Stick Robertson in the LB slot TAA in RB slot and settle on a first choice CB pairing (Loren and Matip for me)

Klopp needs to commit as we have the players but they rarely ever play more than one game together.

If klopp rates Moreno then fine. But stand by the decision and give him a run in the team with a steady defensive line that can cover his shortcomings.


 

 

15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.


2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.


4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.


5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.


6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.


7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.


8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}


9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.


10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.


11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.


12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.


13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.


14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.


15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.


16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!


2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.

YNWA.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}


5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.


 

 

03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.


2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.


3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.


4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}


5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.


6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}


7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.

Baz.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.


9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.


10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.


11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.


12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.


13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!


14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.


15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.


16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.


17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!


18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!


19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?


20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.


21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.


22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.


23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .


24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.


25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}

*Pishy


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!


27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?


28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.


29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.


30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.


 

 

12 Mar 2017 13:26:14
Just seen that Klopp said he had no plans to bring in a new keeper this summer. There are three possible translations as I see it.

1. He's doesn't want to show his hand at this stage of the season and is shooting who's available.

2. He's happy with Migs and Karius competing.

3. He plans to replace Migs with Ward.

If it's option 2 I'll be disappointed, we want a better keeper than Migs and Karius may not be the answer. If he isn't it will be 5 seasons without a good enough keeper. Option 3 is interesting but still a gamble, we don't know if Ward will make the grade either. I hope Klopp is being coy and keeping his options open.

PutneyRed

1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:52:14
Or it could be that Klopp wants rid of Mignolet and then have Karius as no 1, Ward no 2 and Manninger no 3.

If Karius is not going to get a proper shot at being no 1 then obviously we will not know whether he is the answer and signing a new keeper may not be the answer either unless he is given more than a handful of games to prove himself? So best solution in this situation is to give Karius a chance.


2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:53:11
The problem is not the keeper but the lack of DM and a decent defence.

Both are decent and Karius should be given more time (and patience from the so called fans) .


3.) 12 Mar 2017 13:59:23
Karius is our No.1 from the day we signed him and it has not changed due his bad performances.


4.) 12 Mar 2017 19:26:12
Interesting that our "number 1" can't get in the team.
He's clearly not "number 1" at the moment.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 20:39:09
Ron, Mignolet will be number one till the end of the season. Let's see whether he is going to be happy when he is sitting on the bench start of next season.

Klopp made a mistake to bring back Mignolet but it seems like it will work in his favour. It could be that Klopp tells him he should find another club once the season has ended. No number 1 wants to be told that. Ed002 has said on quite a few occasions that the club want rid and that Karius was signed to be no 1.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 21:01:20
How can he be "number 1" yet dropped for months?
He's back up to Mignolet, Klopp rates Mignolet higher.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp told Karius, Mignolet and the World that Karius is number one.}


7.) 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59
What can he say with 10 games left? "My goalies are awful, I want new ones"?

But old Jürgen is shrewd, and with Migs doing ok he can count on a pretty penny should he decide to sell, if the right keeper is available to replace him or if Karius is seen as settled.

If Karius needs more time or no really great keeper comes available Migs will be a decent option next year too.


8.) 13 Mar 2017 00:14:24
Karius is our number 1 the same way Sakho is our number 3.
Doesn't mean he's first choice.


9.) 13 Mar 2017 07:12:09
Clearly Karius is our no 1, that's the number on the back of his kit! Lol.


10.) 13 Mar 2017 13:34:22
So some think that mignolet is only being played in the first team to put him on the transfer market? I'm not so sure about that although it's an unlikely probability. I think Klopp is just taking the more practical approach, Karius did not settle well, and has been shaky with a number of the opportunities he had been given at the start of the season. Mignolet who was the more experienced premier league goal keeper was the only one he could turn to, not ideal by any stretch but a better option for goalkeeper at the time. Whilst we would never know if Karius would have been better in goal given the same games, mignolet has done alright. I wouldn't be surprised at either outcome in the summer, however I'm just not convinced by either of them. I think Karius was a poor choice to begin with but I think we decided to build a keeper rather than buy an established one which is a mistake we keep making, a never ending loop of purchasing players with potential that either never live up to it or never get the chance.


11.) 14 Mar 2017 06:39:50
No top keeper is going to sign for LFC, especially with Real sniffing round and add in City likely to be shopping around. So the choice is buy a second tier or a younger one with some experience, lots of potential and the understanding will need to bring him through. I thought the latter was why Karius was signed.


12.) 14 Mar 2017 12:40:21
Freshst- there is more than one top keeper in the world. They won't all sign for Real. City have already bought Bravo, are they going to ditch him?


13.) 14 Mar 2017 16:37:48
If de Gea moves to Real you can expect united to throw money at a replacement. Ditto Courtois leaving Chelsea or Loris leaving Spurs. Just my view but I see City looking for another keeper in summer as well. Hart seems to be saying he doesn't expect to be there and Bravos hasn't worked out.


 

 

 

PutneyRed's banter posts with other poster's replies to PutneyRed's banter posts

 

16 Oct 2017 13:27:24
At 2 30 on Saturday I was pretty satisfied, although we didn’t get the three points I felt we played well and Klopp’s plan worked better than Mourinho’s. Since then my view has soured a bit and I find myself questioning a couple of the more negative decisions Klopp made. First of all, however, the good must be acknowledged.

A lot of people are saying that Mourinho was playing for a draw, I think it was a bit more subtle than that, he was playing not to lose; his approach, like so many teams approach to playing Klopp’s Liverpool, was to play tight at the back and hope to nick something at the other end. With Martial, Young and Mkhitaryan (that fella needs a nick name) looking to find the gaps in Liverpool’s defence and Lukaku menacing our CBs that was a sensible approach. It’s worth noting that he also tried to mark Henderson out of the game but quickly abandoned that plan. Klopp countered with the most defensive set up I’ve seen him employ in a long time. There were two key parts; the first was that Can played deep so that he and Henderson were more of a pair, this immediately countered Mourinho’s initial plan to pressure Henderson as Can was there to offer a second outlet.

The second decision was to reign in Gomez and, in particular, Moreno. Moreno is yet to redeem himself in my eyes but Saturday showed that, when he plays more conservatively and with discipline, he can be an effective defender. With the fullbacks holding their position and Can alongside Henderson there was no space for Utd to exploit and they were completely shut down as an attacking force. In this battle Klopp completely outsmarted Mourinho. I’d also like to reserve special praise for Gomez who impresses me more every game, I initially thought that, when he had regained fitness, Clyne would take the fullback position back from TAA but with how Gomez is playing I’m no longer sure. Part of me still wants to see Gomez at CB so Clyne’s days aren’t definitely numbered but there’s a decision to be made there.

Klopp may have won the battle in front of his own goal but this meant Liverpool lacked the fire power to win the battle at the other. With Can playing deeper there was a lot of pressure on the third midfielder to drive the attack and I just don’t think Wiji is good enough for that role. If Mane was fit Couts would have played there so Klopp had a decision to make between Wiji and AOC, I think he made the wrong one. AOC is yet to do anything of note in a red shirt but Couts had to drop off the Utd defenders to effect the game and that left our forward line outnumbered. AOC starting on the wing instead of Wiji in midfield would have balanced the team much better.

The other thing that infuriates me is again how late Klopp left his substitutions. I have no problem with Couts coming off, with his recent schedule there was almost no chance of him lasting the 90, but by leaving it so late there was no chance for the subs to effect the outcome. As a team Liverpool lost the plot in the last 10 minutes of the match anyway. AOC showed some promise and looked like he could hurt Utd but Liverpool couldn’t make use of him, we lost composure and started aimlessly punting the ball forward instead of using the fresh legs in our forward line to tear holes in Utd’s defence.

Klopp got a lot right on Saturday but, whilst we were a bit unlucky not to get a goal, I think it was missed opportunity. Thanks to the relatively poor starts of Arsenal and Chelsea the top four is still very much achievable but with just one win in eight matches we MUST find our form soon.

PutneyRed

1.) 16 Oct 2017 14:14:50
He did not get 3 points against one of the worst UTD side turned up against us in my memory. A midfield without Pogba and Fellaini ( meaning no lumping of the ball up and no creativity at all ) . At home you got to win your matches we did not and now the advantage goes to UTD for the return leg! I have seen people calling UTD crap, if they were rubbish why did we fail to win the match?


2.) 16 Oct 2017 17:13:49
Complete nonsense, Harry. You are contradicting yourself again as usual. You spend your time worshiping Mou and Utd on hefre and just cos Mou choked and parked the bus cos he was afraid Klopp would embarrass him (as he's done most of the time in the head to head), you now call them the worst team in Utd's history. You also spent your time saying that Utd would smash us on Sat BUT cos that did not happen, you are now slating Klopp who you gave no chance of getting a point, for not winning. Your hatred for him is becoming so cringeworthy that I'm starting to fear for you. Give it a rest, mate.

Yes, they were rubbish and that is a fact. I did not say that, Gary Neville did. Parking the bus does not mean that you suddenly don't know how to complete 3 passes together on the counter and Neville slated Mou for that and on many other points on Sky. Get over it!


3.) 16 Oct 2017 17:19:46
Putney, hindsight is always 20/ 20 so for me, no point replaying the match after the fact. We had chances to win and did not take them and that is that. Also, why make changes when we are bossing the game in every dept.? What if we made the change and it stifled our momentum and we lost the initiative, what happens then? This is why you have to consider many factors before making a change as you don't make a change that early as you don't know how the team will react to it.

We gave them nothing and Klopp was smart enough not to fall for Mou'stcrap cos that is how BR got done in 2014 and we lost the league. Also, this is the 8th game of the season and there are 30 games left in the PL and not beating Utd is not the be all and end all and decides nothing cos even if we won, it would have decided nothing. Losing would have been a disaster and Klopp was well aware of that. We take the point and move on.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 19:47:19
Absuing / mocking / bullying or imposing your opinion on someone doesn’t make your hindsight / opinion / argument correct Bingo. It makes no differences to my view. There are lot of posters I know personally but who don’t give a damn about your view bingo!
You don’t need to reply on every post against every poster. Try respecting each other’s opinions!
Discussions are fine as it is to determine what is right! Arguments brings ego.

I am done!


5.) 16 Oct 2017 22:37:31
Harry, It is only me imposing my opinion if you cannot prove me wrong. I called you out on your hypocrisy and clearly you can't handled being called out. I posted facts about your conduct and I noticed that you did not dispute anything I posted so that means you agreed with me calling out your hypocrisy. The other day, Ed01 called mocked you and called you a spoilt, petulant child. Were you outraged then? If the answer is no then save your phony outrage for those who care cos I certainly don't.

As for you knowing posters who don't agree with me, you must think I care about such nonsense or require positive reinforcements or something. Unlike many on here, I actually enjoy debate and I have a very thick skin unlike "some people I know" who need people to agree with them for self validation. We are all free to respond to any posts we feel like and no one gets to tell anyone what and when they can post their comments. I will continue to do that in a respectful manner. If you don't like them, don't read them. Simple.


6.) 17 Oct 2017 10:44:53
A good post Putney, well thought out and I agree for the most part. A loss to Man Utd would have really put the cat amongst the pigeons but as it is, the team knows they were realistically the only team that could have won, and a well deserved clean sheet too, and that's a big confidence boost vs. where we were before the game (and worth a lot in the long run if we can build on it) .

At the end of the day, we all need to recognise that setting up with the kind of balanced side required for clean sheets, is by definition going to limit your chances against a side as good as Man Utd. despite that we had a few good opportunities to win it, with De Gea's save, Salah's miss off the boot of Coutinho and Can's touch a few of the notable ones, not to mention a couple of headers from corners.

It is something I am happy to see from Klopp and if we can continue to play like that consistently, cut out stupid goals, and Mane, Salah, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana can get back on form we'll still score more than enough to be a force to be reckoned with.


7.) 17 Oct 2017 10:46:01
Harry, if you read Putney's review, there's not much to disagree with. A very fair assessment.

We did well to have so much dominance of the game whilst still stiffling their opportunities to catch us on the break. Really disappointed we didn't score, and agree the subs were too late to have any impact. Klopp needs to realise that 60 is the new 75 ;-) .

I am pleased to see that we can play a more defensive shape when needed, and would've liked to see AOC for Couts, and Couts for Gini, even if just for the first half, as that could've been the key to unlock more shots on goal.

Good write up, Putney.


 

 

13 Oct 2017 23:09:40
I've been amongst the negative posters in recent weeks but I can't wait for tomorrow. This is the kind of game Klopp's shines in, we're the underdog going against the establishment, expectations are lotws but Klopp's going to pull it out of the bag. Bring on 1230.

PutneyRed

1.) 13 Oct 2017 23:12:56
It can't come quick enough mate, I'm bored of waiting now. I just want the game to be here and done with, I would absolutely love it if we won. I do hope Klopp has something up his sleeve mate.


2.) 13 Oct 2017 23:27:31
Careful what you wish for. We can’t defend, we’re weak in midfield and Mane is out long term. United are flying and easily capable of doing to us what City did. I’m struggling to see where the goals will come from but can see where the goals will be conceded.


3.) 13 Oct 2017 23:52:26
We’ve got goals all over this team Dennis. I agree with you defensively but to say you can’t see where goals will come from is ludicrous. I really fancy us to come out of the traps hard and be 2-0 up by half time. Jose will slow everything down for the first 20 minutes but I think we’ll have too much for them. On the flip side if we don’t get a goal then the longer it goes the more chance we will lose 1-0. We can’t let them score first that would be a disaster. I really do think it will be one of those Anfield days where we come out so fast we smash them in the first half an hour. Whatever happens I can’t wait for the game to start!


4.) 14 Oct 2017 08:05:25
Dennis, if that is the mindset every manager and player or fan has, why bother even showing up to play and why should the fans even watch? Might as well give up, crawl into a corner and cry till the end of the season and pack it in. You say you can't see where the goals will come from. We have scored near 25 goals in all comps. this season and could have been way more had we taken our chances so your negativity is clouding reality. Get behind the team and cheer them till you can't cheer them anymore for 90 mins. The only thing to fear is fear itself.


 

 

05 Oct 2017 12:39:41
I have a thing where an idea gets in my head and I can’t let it go till I’ve dived into the detail, it’s a mild form of OCD. My latest obsession was inspired by an article that pointed out that Liverpool, on average, win more points with less possession. Basically I looked at all our PL matches under Klopp comparing how much possession we had, what our results were, how many goals we scored and how many conceded.

I initially just looked at the over and under stats for our average possession. Across 75 PL games under Klopp Liverpool have averaged 55.9% possession per game. In games where we have more possession than that we average 1.6pts, 1.69 goals scored and 1.13 conceded, In games where we had less than average possession our points won and goals scored increase to 2 and 2.17 respectively whilst our goals conceded also rises to 1.39.

I thought the over/ under stats where a bit general so I broke the games down further, I looked at home versus away, at matches just against the ‘big six’ and those not including the ‘big six’, I even removed the 15/ 16 season to see if things changed while the team adapted to Klopp’s style. With almost every variable the same pattern emerged, we got better results with less of the ball. The only exception to this rule is when we play away to our ‘big six’ rivals. In those matches the more of the ball we see the better we do.

Looking at the overall results there is a trend. Unsurprisingly in games where we have low possession we don’t do great but we have a sweet spot between 48-57% where we’ve averaged over 2 points a game. Between 58-64% it then drops off again to around 1.4pts before spiking in games we completely dominate (65% possession and over) . Whilst I know that stats aren’t the full story they do support the idea that sitting back, staying organised and allowing Liverpool to keep the ball in midfield is a very effective way of playing against us.

PutneyRed

1.) 05 Oct 2017 12:53:56
My head hurts now.


2.) 05 Oct 2017 13:53:23
Sorry reddo, but if it's any consolation I feel much better for getting that out of my system :-)


3.) 05 Oct 2017 14:06:53
Coz we are counter pressing team PutneyRed.

Once opposition sits back and allow us possession our main attributes goes out of window and we tend to struggle.

coz we've got lots of legs/ energy in midfield but lack real quality.


4.) 05 Oct 2017 20:01:41
Good post, Putney. Not a stats guy myself but I see what you are saying. As Kopite7 said, we are a counter pressing team so when we have more possession of the ball, we tend to struggle. However, I do think that we have quality in our midfield in Cou and Lallana (we need both of those guys yesterday) so that is hampering team cos the midfield 3 right now are too similar and lack structure.

I also think we have improved in this regard this season as we are creating more guilt-edged chances vs such teams this season than last season. Last season, we were not creating anywhere near the chances or types of chances we are creating now. Hell, we used to actually end up losing such games instead of winning. The credit goes to Klopp as him signing both Salah and Mane have helped on this front. Could/ Should we have scored more than we are doing now? Absolutely BUT unlike last season, the chances are being created and that to me, is an improvement in itself.


 

 

04 Oct 2017 12:53:58
There was a long thread yesterday between those that have started to question Klopp and those that have not. This debate needs to be framed, those that are questioning Klopp, in the vast majority of cases, are not in the ‘Klopp Out Brigade’, they are people who are concerned that our early season performances are reflective of where we are as a team and, if that is so, then we have taken a step backward from last season. In that light Klopp is under pressure, he doesn’t need to win the title this year but we should be looking for progress and if he is not delivering that then his position may come under threat.

However, it is recognised that we may simply be in a bad run of form and Klopp may yet deliver a successful season. If this happens we will all be delighted and this run will be forgotten. Personally, I may question Klopp over the next few months but there are very few circumstances where I would consider his position before the end of the season. I like Klopp a lot, I believe he has built a good squad and that he is capable of delivering the football and results we crave, but he has an objective, to challenge for, if not win, the title and his position must be considered against that objective. If it starts to look like he is incapable of achieving his objective then his position must be considered but we’re still a long way off reaching that point.

PutneyRed

1.) 04 Oct 2017 16:12:16
Spot on PutneyRed nicely put 👏👏

It's too early to judge klopp atm no doubt.

A lot of fans including me are frustrated to see same problems occurring since klopp was announced our manager and still he's yet to fix it which is coasting us dearly week in week out : (.


2.) 04 Oct 2017 17:20:30
Well posted PutneyRed, a couple of points worth noting here, these current problems existed before Klopp was our manager and even with different set of players, I remember complaining about missed chances when Kenny was in charge, this making me wonder if the problem is not the manager but else where in the coaching or back office . As for Klopp future, its not down to us fans, here on this forum or in the KOP . Its down to the board, the minimum this year is top 4 or champions league qualification via a different route if it had to be, failure to achieve that may prove costly for Klopp. I don't want another manager change, but I really can't see us being up there come end of season, we simply did n't do enough in the transfer window.


3.) 04 Oct 2017 19:14:02
Putney, you have summed up that thread (which I guess I was on) brilliantly. I am as frustrated as everyone else about our form cos it seems like we are so close to being a great team YET so far off, all at the same time. Klopp's made mistakes and I bet he is more frustrated than all of us combined. But those implicitly campaigning for his dismissal by placing unnecessary, overnight-success type expectations on him after TWO years in charge, is just dishonest and unfair as BR, KK or Woy were never saddled with such expectations.

Ed01 has told us what Klopp is trying to do and the things he's trying to do and tho it is frustrating as it seems not to work, the right intentions are there BUT people ignore all this solid info and keep moaning like said info does not exist and don't consider it at all in forming their opinions cos clearly, moaning is much easier.

However as Roy said, what will become of Klopp is not down to any one of us here and that was and is my problem cos many on here are projecting that if Klopp does not do this or that within x amount of time, he will be fired by FSG or bla, bla, bla. Such people should stop projecting opinions as facts and quit speaking for FSG. News Flash: FSG are all in w/ Klopp right now as they gave him an extension after 8 months on the job. That much we do know so people should let the season play out and then evaluate afterwards instead of spooking everyone out with their "will he or won't he" stuff.


4.) 04 Oct 2017 20:04:08
I don’t know how could you stop people from SPEAKING on a public forum! Now we need to have an advance permission what to talk and what not to talk in this site? What is this site after all! This is a public formun with close to 50 different pages and 50k people visiting!
Sacking a manger is the easiest thing to do in football! What does it take after all? A compensation package and thanks giving post lol!
If a manger doesn’t get the job done for what he is asked to do then he gets the sack! What is so special in it! Normal!


5.) 04 Oct 2017 21:01:23
Again, Harry. You are preaching to the choir. Of course if a manager does not get the desired results, his position is in peril. That is not the discussion and never has been. What IS the discussion is people like you saying that Klopp's position is in jeopardy cos he did not win the PL in his first full season and cos we are having a sticky patch (mind you, 2 losses in 15 games in all comps. this season) and things are not working right now.

That is the discussion and it has been litigated on the afore-mentioned thread already. For the upteenth time, No one is stopping other people's opinions from being heard nor is anyone stopping other people from speaking. That is a non issue. You are only saying that cos you simply can't stand people disagreeing with your opinions.

That is what the issue is with you and frankly, many think your opinion is ridiculous as there is no substantive reasoning behind it APART from the fact that you hate Klopp and have always wanted him gone even tho, he has improved us over the two years he's been here overall so you just throw crap on the wall to see what sticks and call it facts. And you wonder why many disagree with you.


6.) 04 Oct 2017 21:39:47
All any manager can do with LFC, right now, is get the best out of the personnel at the club.
That's what Klopp needs to focus on. Mistakes have been made with player recruitment, they can't be rectified before January and possibly even July. So there's no point in raking over that ground. We just have to hope he does better in subsequent transfer windows.

There is plenty to play for this season. This time last season Chelsea had 13 points from 7 games and Conte was being pressurised. We have 12 from 7. They were about to win their next 12 games after their manager made a tactical change and storm the league title.
I'm not saying that's likely, I'm saying it's not impossible.


7.) 04 Oct 2017 21:39:20
I have absolutely no interest in having any kind of conservation with you anymore! My post was regarding the freedom to express on the page. People post what they want to talk and not what others want to hear! If anyone has an issue they should skip the post and move to another thread or start their own thread! You have absolute freedom to talk on anything related to FOOTBALL on this page and that includes KLOPP aa well!


8.) 05 Oct 2017 08:27:11
Do you actually not see it Harry? That's exactly what they do! They Give their view, or they start a new thread, then you jump into it with the same tired old drivel and then start banging on about being stopped from speaking! You're the one who is putting yourself into every conversation, and then you're the only one who is complaining about the fact that people have a different opinion rather than just leaving it at your alternative view! The only person here who doesn't want everyone to be free to express their own view is you!


9.) 05 Oct 2017 08:35:39
Spot on, Ron. That is my take as well.


 

 

02 Oct 2017 12:27:29
A number of you have argued that we're fine, that we're just one point behind fourth and that people are over reacting but you're in denial. Of the 7 games we've played in the league we've only played at a level expected of this team once. Our performances against Leicester, Newcastle, Watford, Palace and Burnley have all been sub par. People say we haven't had the rub of the green but top teams don't rely on luck, they take luck out of the equation by savage superiority over their opposition.

Yesterday we saw two approaches to playing football, the first saw a manager pick a game plan that gave his team the best chance of getting a result, the players were drilled in that plan, stuck to it and won a point. The other team had no plan, it was just a collection of players who didn't know what to do, that team dropped two points.

Players are picked on as scapegoats. The CBs were at fault but who's telling them to play so high? Henderson passes sideways but we're playing so slow that that the other team has an age to get back and block his forward options. The forwards aren't scoring but we're not playing to their strengths.

By luck we're still in the battle for top four but, right now, is there anyone who believes that this team, playing like this, will win more points than Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal over the next 31 games? I don't. Right now Klopp's limitations as a manager are being exposed. It's right now he needs to prove to us that he's as good as we hope he is, he needs to recognise the faults, come up with solutions and implement them on the pitch. Klopp has excellent players at his disposal, he must find a way to get the best out of them.

Klopp's at a turning point, we can still have an excellent season but he must find a way to get us out of this rut, not soon, but now. If he manages it then this bad run can be forgotten, if he can't then this is the beginning of the end of his time at Liverpool.

PutneyRed

1.) 02 Oct 2017 13:04:22
He has to get a top 4 minimum and at this rate that is not happening to me! They say we have no divine right to beat anyone so they are ok with a draw!


2.) 02 Oct 2017 13:50:23
If klopp doesn't sort that defence his days are numbered. Being able to write a book on defendin is all well and good but if you don't have defenders that can read your fkd.


3.) 02 Oct 2017 14:11:58
Once again we got behind the opposition plenty. Klopp doesn't tell players to miss the clear cut chances they create. I cannot explain why the players aren't burying the chances that they previously were.


4.) 02 Oct 2017 14:20:56
What is different this season? Ed01 do you have any ideas why we look a different team to the one that started so well last season? I can't work it out? We have the same players plus a few additions. I believe we are really missing lallana, he was amazing at the start of last season but it can't be just that can it? I guess we could say these are games we were losing last year. I can't understand it.

{Ed001's Note - for me it is down to the constant chopping and changing of the team. They are struggling to get a rhythm going and to gel. Usually you have a run of 5 or 6 games together before making changes and players get into the swing of it, that has not happened for us.}


5.) 02 Oct 2017 14:48:26
Beef, even if we had scored the second goal my point wouldn't change, we're just not playing well. Yesterday we could have won and just like in the Leicester and Palace games we would have got three points but if we continue playing at this level we'll lose and draw as often as we win and that's not good enough for our aspirations.


6.) 02 Oct 2017 14:54:11
100% agree ed. posted a few times now that it's just ridiculous the consistent changing of goal keeper and defense, I can't fathom why he keeps doing it. I can understand Reston can and firminho after Russia in midweek, does anyone know have we played the same 11 in back to back games this season, and if so have we done it more than once?


7.) 02 Oct 2017 16:29:48
Ed is spot on. I do agree that it is not easy for Klopp to play his preferred CB pairing cos Lovren plays injured (back problem) hence, he may need a blow at times BUT, the other parts of the team need to be set. It's early in the season so the boys should still be fit and get a run of games in a set 11 lineup. The chopping and changing is killing us esp. at GK. We have to go with a first choice 11 and stick to it for 4-5 games and go from there.

I do agree that in midfield, Lallana is a big miss as he offers more guile and skill and creativity in CM that is lacking from the other midfield 3, you know, something to switch it up a bit. Also, what is Klopp to do when players are missing sitters in front of goal? Is Studge and Salah's penchant for fluffing their lines at crucial moments Klopp's fault? The system changing will NOT suddenly make both players and Firmino suddenly become ruthless. It does not work that way even tho many moaners and pundits, want you to believe the contrary. We just have to keep working hard and supporting the players cos believe me, they are the most affected by this issue as they feel responsible for us not winning hence, forcing Klopp to have to deal with this constant nonsense he really, has no control over or is he going to go on the pitch and score for them?

{Ed002's Note - You are right, Klopp is the best manager in the wiorld and has no control over what happens at all.}


8.) 02 Oct 2017 19:24:23
Not too bothered with that response, Ed as nowhere did I mention that, nor have I ever mentioned that he is the best manager in the world.

{Ed002's Note - Just "world class" then. I lose track of the nonsense.}


9.) 02 Oct 2017 19:51:29
Nope, never mentioned that either. Not ever.


 

 

 

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Would we have another look at Brandt? I know he currently plays as a forward but, from the little I've seen of him, his style looks very similar to coutinho's.

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Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he went that way, he seems to do a lot of mentoring of the youth players.

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Sorry reddo, but if it's any consolation I feel much better for getting that out of my system :-)

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