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07 Sep 2017 16:15:37
How's this for a conspiracy theory, a factor in deciding to keep Moreno was to ensure Coutinho had a close friend in the squad.


1.) 07 Sep 2017 17:50:33
Moreno is klopps long lost lovechild only way to explain it.

2.) 07 Sep 2017 19:00:20
And Roberto Firmino isn't a close friend of Coutinho?

3.) 07 Sep 2017 19:54:02
Except that Klopp wanted rid of coutinho at the end.

4.) 07 Sep 2017 19:59:49
you'd think he would've kept lucas for that.

5.) 07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.

6.) 07 Sep 2017 20:15:50
He definitely is closer too moreno, moreno has a good character round the dressing room I hope he can somehow come good.

{Ed025's Note - and i want everton to win the CL hailstones...same chance..

7.) 07 Sep 2017 20:21:34
Or that Moreno has improved?

{Ed025's Note - silk purses and sows ears and all that..

8.) 07 Sep 2017 20:32:58
See his face from the bench.

9.) 07 Sep 2017 20:45:48
Moreno hasn't improved imo, he's been just as bad this season. I do however know from someone who works for the club that he's a top bloke.

{Ed025's Note - aah thats nice cobra..

10.) 07 Sep 2017 21:03:15
Ed25 seems like a nice bloke but then you remember he's a biter!

11.) 07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.

12.) 07 Sep 2017 23:08:39
Is pipco back in training?

13.) 07 Sep 2017 23:25:24
Big season ahead for Moreno. From what I saw, it was his pre season appearaces that kept him at the club,
He's another year older now and hopefully not as wrash in his decision making,

FB must be the hardest position on the pitch to play, you really need eyes in the back of your head.

14.) 08 Sep 2017 00:34:39
Yes and we kept Bogdan whom is a close friend of markovic whom is a close friend of Moreno whom of co as you said is a close friend of Coutinho.

15.) 08 Sep 2017 00:03:44
Proper neg ead u ed 025 he can improve can't he, also he has shown in the past he has had good games he has room too improve young lad comin too different league, he could b adapting, jus needs too find consistency.

{Ed025's Note - im a realist hailstones, he has been at the club for 3 years now so how long do you want to wait for him to improve?...just admit hes a lemon like karius, thats the problem with liverpool supporters they cant admit that some of their players are sub standard mate..

16.) 08 Sep 2017 06:53:30
Moreno is average going forward and when he gets beaten in defence and has to chase back he is a liability. Can't tackle and is so rash when chasing back that he gives free kicks away in dangerous areas and penalties.

Who cares if he is a nice guy.
Hate player bashing but he has a long way to go to win the fans over.

17.) 08 Sep 2017 08:53:36
Ed25, us LFC fans use to get a lot of stick for not "getting behind" players or "slagging them off" and now your saying we can't admit sub standard?
Everton fans are so delirious its quite scary. 😂🙈.

{Ed025's Note - encouragement is fine kopette, but lets not pretend that all reds players are world beaters thats all, some of them are of course (mane,couts) but there is also a lot of dross in there as well, lets just be honest mate..

18.) 08 Sep 2017 09:52:57
Were not sayin that ed 025, we sayin the lad is learning his trade he young look at david luiz no one would say he could improve look at salah also victor moses, if this season he constantly makin mistakes ok we hold our hands up, but if he shows improvement give the lad a chance, I think he can offer something an he has quality.

{Ed025's Note - we are all entitled to our opinions hailstones, the fact that you dont recognise a nugget when you see one still perplexes me though mate..

19.) 08 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Beddoerocks, you say Moreno can't tackle but I was reading an article yesterday that stated he is our leading tackler this season with 9, Matip is second on 8.

20.) 08 Sep 2017 11:09:41
Ed025, how can you call Karius a lemon? Lads only played a few games for us and he's young.

Certiainly not going to praise him yet as tour next great no 1 but don't you think it's fair to wait and see how he turns out before passing judgement? Looking through the those toffee spectacles again?!

{Ed025's Note - i have this philosophy you see hamish...if a guy knocks at my door wearing a green curly wig, bulbous red nose, yellow check suit and size 27 boots then i think to myself...this guys a clown, i dont need to interview him mate, i can tell straight away..

21.) 08 Sep 2017 12:07:48
Hahaha ok ed 025, I just like too see my glass is half full than half empty he has put in good performances an shown too b a decent left back admittedly in beginning of his liverpool career but why can't he improve mate he has time on his side, I was his biggest doubter last 2 seasons I know why u say wat u do, but this a make or break season for him, he is showin signs of getting better so I have too get behind him.

{Ed025's Note - and thats ok by me hailstones...hows the weather today in cloud cuckoo land mate.. :)

22.) 08 Sep 2017 12:09:18
Moreno isn't a nugget he a professional footballer getting paid handsomely.

{Ed025's Note - in our local Mcdonalds they now sell chicken you could be wrong mate..

23.) 08 Sep 2017 13:09:55
Hahaha I am more into subway.

24.) 08 Sep 2017 12:50:51
Ed025, really? Come on mate you are being a little bit over the top. Moreno and Karius are both young and moved from different leagues.

Did you assume that De Gea was a lemon when he first joined United? With his comedy goal keeping and his lack of any physicality? His first season was an absolute disaster and now look at him, he's arguably one of the top 5 in the world as a keeper.

I'm not for one moment saying that Karius will get this good, I'm just saying his situation is comparable to De Gea, although I think De Gea actually had a worse first season than Karius, so we should give him a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im all for giving him a chance hsf, but he has yet to prove he is anything more than a liability so at the moment he is certainly a lemon, will he improve..possibly but until he does i think its fair to assume he is not up to the job, moreno has had 3 years and if he has not made the transition by now then we can reasonable assume hes a dud, its not all his fault though as it seems the coaching defensively at least is certainly lacking at liverpool mate..

25.) 09 Sep 2017 08:00:33
How anyone can say that Moreno hasn't had enough time to prove himself is beyond me! 1 good pre season game and everyone thinks he's Ashley Cole. He has proven time and time again he doesn't have the aptitude for being a left back and he's done nothing this season to prove me otherwise.
Training hard, having the right attitude and being a top bloke should not be enough to keep you in a team wanting to win honours.

{Ed025's Note - im with you cobra..

26.) 10 Sep 2017 20:02:35
Tizer I am not making my comment based on 2 or 3 games.

Moreno is not a good defender when turned. Season after season we have seen that. By all means throw stats around 93% of people know stats can used to prove a incorrect opinion 😁.

27.) 10 Sep 2017 22:05:34
We need a stable back 4. Chopping and changing is not ideal. We should try and develop a steady first back 4 to enable an understanding to develop. Stick Robertson in the LB slot TAA in RB slot and settle on a first choice CB pairing (Loren and Matip for me)

Klopp needs to commit as we have the players but they rarely ever play more than one game together.

If klopp rates Moreno then fine. But stand by the decision and give him a run in the team with a steady defensive line that can cover his shortcomings.



15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?


{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}

1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.

2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.

3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.

4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.

5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.

6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.

7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.

8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}

9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.

10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.

11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.

12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.

13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.

14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.

15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.

16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.



07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.


1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!

2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.

4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}

5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.

6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.

7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.



03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?


{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}

1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.

2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.

3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.

4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}

5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.

6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}

7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.

9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.

10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.

11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.

12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.

13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!

14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.

15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.

16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.

17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!

18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!

19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?

20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.

21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.

22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.

23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .

24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.

25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!

27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?

28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.

29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.

30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.



12 Mar 2017 13:26:14
Just seen that Klopp said he had no plans to bring in a new keeper this summer. There are three possible translations as I see it.

1. He's doesn't want to show his hand at this stage of the season and is shooting who's available.

2. He's happy with Migs and Karius competing.

3. He plans to replace Migs with Ward.

If it's option 2 I'll be disappointed, we want a better keeper than Migs and Karius may not be the answer. If he isn't it will be 5 seasons without a good enough keeper. Option 3 is interesting but still a gamble, we don't know if Ward will make the grade either. I hope Klopp is being coy and keeping his options open.


1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:52:14
Or it could be that Klopp wants rid of Mignolet and then have Karius as no 1, Ward no 2 and Manninger no 3.

If Karius is not going to get a proper shot at being no 1 then obviously we will not know whether he is the answer and signing a new keeper may not be the answer either unless he is given more than a handful of games to prove himself? So best solution in this situation is to give Karius a chance.

2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:53:11
The problem is not the keeper but the lack of DM and a decent defence.

Both are decent and Karius should be given more time (and patience from the so called fans) .

3.) 12 Mar 2017 13:59:23
Karius is our No.1 from the day we signed him and it has not changed due his bad performances.

4.) 12 Mar 2017 19:26:12
Interesting that our "number 1" can't get in the team.
He's clearly not "number 1" at the moment.

5.) 12 Mar 2017 20:39:09
Ron, Mignolet will be number one till the end of the season. Let's see whether he is going to be happy when he is sitting on the bench start of next season.

Klopp made a mistake to bring back Mignolet but it seems like it will work in his favour. It could be that Klopp tells him he should find another club once the season has ended. No number 1 wants to be told that. Ed002 has said on quite a few occasions that the club want rid and that Karius was signed to be no 1.

6.) 12 Mar 2017 21:01:20
How can he be "number 1" yet dropped for months?
He's back up to Mignolet, Klopp rates Mignolet higher.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp told Karius, Mignolet and the World that Karius is number one.}

7.) 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59
What can he say with 10 games left? "My goalies are awful, I want new ones"?

But old Jürgen is shrewd, and with Migs doing ok he can count on a pretty penny should he decide to sell, if the right keeper is available to replace him or if Karius is seen as settled.

If Karius needs more time or no really great keeper comes available Migs will be a decent option next year too.

8.) 13 Mar 2017 00:14:24
Karius is our number 1 the same way Sakho is our number 3.
Doesn't mean he's first choice.

9.) 13 Mar 2017 07:12:09
Clearly Karius is our no 1, that's the number on the back of his kit! Lol.

10.) 13 Mar 2017 13:34:22
So some think that mignolet is only being played in the first team to put him on the transfer market? I'm not so sure about that although it's an unlikely probability. I think Klopp is just taking the more practical approach, Karius did not settle well, and has been shaky with a number of the opportunities he had been given at the start of the season. Mignolet who was the more experienced premier league goal keeper was the only one he could turn to, not ideal by any stretch but a better option for goalkeeper at the time. Whilst we would never know if Karius would have been better in goal given the same games, mignolet has done alright. I wouldn't be surprised at either outcome in the summer, however I'm just not convinced by either of them. I think Karius was a poor choice to begin with but I think we decided to build a keeper rather than buy an established one which is a mistake we keep making, a never ending loop of purchasing players with potential that either never live up to it or never get the chance.

11.) 14 Mar 2017 06:39:50
No top keeper is going to sign for LFC, especially with Real sniffing round and add in City likely to be shopping around. So the choice is buy a second tier or a younger one with some experience, lots of potential and the understanding will need to bring him through. I thought the latter was why Karius was signed.

12.) 14 Mar 2017 12:40:21
Freshst- there is more than one top keeper in the world. They won't all sign for Real. City have already bought Bravo, are they going to ditch him?

13.) 14 Mar 2017 16:37:48
If de Gea moves to Real you can expect united to throw money at a replacement. Ditto Courtois leaving Chelsea or Loris leaving Spurs. Just my view but I see City looking for another keeper in summer as well. Hart seems to be saying he doesn't expect to be there and Bravos hasn't worked out.




PutneyRed's banter posts with other poster's replies to PutneyRed's banter posts


11 Dec 2017 12:12:22
Yesterday was the first match I’ve seen in a while after being away and, whilst the result was disappointing, it was a fascinating match.

Hindsight makes us all seem like geniuses but there was an air of hubris in Klopp’s team selection. I’ve long believed that Klopp has a level of arrogance in him, a belief that his ideas are better than everyone else’s (see his reaction to being told in the post match interview that the interviewer and pundits agreed with the penalty decision), his team selection reflected that. Liverpool’s recent (excellent) form convinced Klopp that he could pick any team and things would be fine. It’s easy to question Milner’s selection but the bigger question is Solanke. Solanke has tremendous good will at the moment but a lot of fans have expectations of the player which aren’t really justified by anything he’s in done in a red shirt so far. Yesterday he was ineffective, he wasn’t creating anything himself and he wasn’t making space for our other players. This was a real problem as Allardyce’s team was doing exactly what was expected, they played deep with great discipline and Solanke wasn’t capable of troubling them. For all our domination of play Salah’s goal was the only time we put Pickford under pressure, he had an easy day at the office.

As for Allardyce he set up exactly as we all expected and he was rewarded with a point for it, why he doesn’t get more respect for being so good at what he does I’ll never know. The penalty was Everton’s only chance to score but when a game plan is built around taking limited chances then you have to give the away team credit. A lot of people are making excuses about that penalty but it was the correct decision to give, it doesn’t matter if the lad went down easy or not, it matters what Lovren did and his actions gave Calvert-Lewin an excuse to go down. If the penalty hadn’t been given it would have been a case of Lovren getting away with it rather than the correct result.

As for the rest of the team I thought Gomez had an excellent game, the limited defending he had to do was excellent and his play going forward was dynamic. At the start of the season fans were excited by TAA but Gomez is leagues ahead of his rival at the moment. I was surprised to see people having a go Henderson, he had an good game, what his detractors fail to understand is that he’s doing the job that Klopp wants him to do rather than the one fans want. He is there to recycle possession and he is hugely reliable in that role. He’s got the ability to burst forward or to go for the killer pass but that’s not his job. I was pleased to see Ings get a run out, it will be interesting to see if that was a ‘putting him in the shop window’ exercise or whether Klopp is bringing him into the first team, on paper he's the perfect understudy to Bobby.

What we mustn’t forget is that we’ve been excellent since the Spurs game, we’re unbeaten, we’ve dragged ourselves up the table and, on current form, we’re the best of the rest after City. As I alluded to above, I do have some problems with Klopp but I do believe that when he gets it right Liverpool are sensational, sadly yesterday wasn’t one of those times.


1.) 11 Dec 2017 12:31:53
if mane had passed when he had 3 players free, we go in 2-0 up and kloppps line up never gets questioned, his only mistake was bringing off salah imo.

2.) 11 Dec 2017 12:40:25
Putney, you are using the very same hindsight reasoning you are criticizing. Klopp has been rotating for weeks now and it has worked and the results bear that out. So if that is the case, my question for you is was he arrogant when he was doing this rotation thing then or was he arrogant now cos both of those cannot be true at the same time?

Also, all managers are arrogant even those who haven't won a sausage to their name. Pep, Mou make Klopp like a choir boy in the arrogance dept. as they apologize for nothing BUT when Klopp seems arrogant, some start getting triggered and insecure. There was NO arrogance in his selection as he picked the team he knew was fresh and ready to give 100% in the game as it was a rivalry game and you cannot keep fielding the same team during this busy period as Conte has realized after his loss vs WH. So if Conte was moaning about tiredness, by that standard, Klopp was right to rotate so as to mitigate against that, right or do the rules change cos it is Klopp?

Also, Had Everton battered us then your point would be valid. They did not so it is not. We were on top from start to finish and would have been out of sight had mane not done a boo-boo. The lineup had nothing to do with Mane having a boo boo. The lineup had nothing to do with a ref getting conned by a diving player. Those for me, were the two facts that influenced the game. Not the lineup or any arrogance (or lack thereof, IMO) .

3.) 11 Dec 2017 12:42:07
Putney, it may seem churlish after your excellent post but I never thought I would see the words "Henderson" and "burst" in the same paragraph.

4.) 11 Dec 2017 12:50:11
I don't believe Klopp is in anyway responsible for yesterday's result. The team he picked blew Everton away, and other than scoring more and conceding a ridiculous penalty that was an absolute walk in the park.
There are players at the club who need replacing to take us to the next level. I'm not klopps biggest fan, not by a long way but his players decisions are costing him severly.

5.) 11 Dec 2017 13:09:42
I think the decision to play dominic solanke was the most logical. He is a tall target man. When you play a deep lying defence you need a target man to aim crosses at. Solanke played well and showed good touches but the crosses into him weren't great. The midfield was a problem for me. I love Henderson and he played well. Milner didn't offer much and Oxlade is ok but I would not trust him to be the creative force in the midfield. Countinho should have been given that role and Can in for Milner but it's Klopp's decision and maybe he just wanted to rest players to keep them fresh. I agree you should not be doing this against your rivals though.

6.) 11 Dec 2017 13:14:47
" I don't believe Klopp is in anyway responsible for yesterday's result. "

Sorry, you're wrong, the manager is responsible for all the results, that's his main responsibility.

7.) 11 Dec 2017 13:16:35
Hi all, thanks for all your responses. To expand on your points.

I didn't mention the Mane chance as I think it's less relevent than most people are making out. If he'd passed it was by no means a guaranteed goal. I prefer to talk about what did happen rather than what might have happened.

As for whether Klopp was responsible for the result I have no doubt he was. The selection was wrong, the set up was wrong and the substitutions we wrong. If we'd got a result of would have been in spite of Klopp's plan rather than because of it.

8.) 11 Dec 2017 13:28:06
Brover, to respond to you directly. My hindsight quip was just banter, Klopp's selection was questioned heavily before the game and the result showed that questioning was justified. Klopp wasn't arrogant to rotate, he was arrogant in who he chose to rotate. Allardyce would have been delighted to see Solanke brought in and, whilst I know he can't play every match, we sorely missed Coutinho's threat from deep.

I believe your wrong about Pep and Mourinho, I think their self belief is born out by their trophy cabinets, Klopp can't say the same. When I get time I'll write a post about Klopp and how sometimes's he's his own worst enemy.

Your also wrong that we were on top all match. We had all the possession but that's a different thing. Football's about scoring goals and we had few opportunities to do that. On balance we were better than Everton but we didn't batter them.

9.) 11 Dec 2017 14:29:04
Thank you for your response, Putney. First of all, Cou had a knock and was not fit to start that game so there is that. You may think the selection was wrong BUT I disagree cos as I mentioned, Conte moaned about his boys being tired during their loss to WH so is it not rotation that could mitigate against all that? Also, Klopp has been rotating for weeks and to great success so again, was he right for rotating when it worked or was he wrong when on the odd case now, it did not? You did not answer that question which I don't mind as logically, both those statements cannot be right at the same time.

As for the arrogance thing, you may be right on one level BUT like it or not, Klopp has won trophies in his career against all odds, beating Bayern to win leagues and Cups and his way of playing got him the reputation he deserves. No one gave him a damn thing. He earned it from scratch. Klopp had the likes of Arsenal, Bayern, Real (rumours) and the great Man Utd wanting him and he rejected all of them including Fergie. You don't get those clubs after you if you do not have the resume and trophies to boot. You cannot belittle his resume just to make your argument sound better. That is unfair.

Those managers you mentioned respect him a whole lot (you should hear how Pep talks about Klopp) as he is the one who has beaten each of them the most. So why can he not be arrogant and believe in his methods cos they have actually worked for his career? My issue is that you claim he is arrogant and I disagree and shown why.

Pep and Mou have have rarely apologized for a things they say to the media no matter how ridiculous it is BUT Klopp does apologize cos he is an honorable man and has no grudges with anyone (listen to Ralph Honigstien who has chronicled Klopp's career) . Do not conflate that with him not being arrogant as every manager to some extent, is. Love your post, Putney. keep them coming.

10.) 11 Dec 2017 14:35:24
in my opinion, Kloppy was arrogant in that he made six changes to the line up,
there were as we all know two Derbies yesterday, how many changes did the other three managers make, he changed our midfield way too much, Big Sam must have been smiling when he saw our team selection,
Kloppy, makes far too many basic errors,
yes I fully understand rotating players, keeping the team fresh, I saw a stat that says Kloppy has made the most changes in the Prem,
not being from England, I think that he does not realise how important winning the Derby means to the fans,
for me Kloppy will not win us the League, he will get us as high as third place, that's all .

11.) 11 Dec 2017 15:47:15
Nailed it in one redhead.

12.) 11 Dec 2017 19:12:09
Happy, Klopp made it a policy to rotate during this busy period and it has worked. The mistake you are making is that you are too hung up on The derby and what it means to the fans which I sense, you are prolly implying that he did not play his best team cos he looked past Everton. Klopp has feasted on Everton since he arrived here and he is not about to risk the team's future this season to prove a point that he cares about this or that game.

Klopp expects to win every game regardless of the team he put out. It may look wierd to the fans BUT to him in the end, beating Everton and not making top 4 will do us no good. The team he put out was good enough to win and created enough chances to win as Everton were dire. Mane fluffed his lines and the ref got conned itno giving a poor excuse of a penalty. The lineup did not influence any of those facts so it is just a false narrative in my book. Mane squares the ball, 2-0 and the penalty is a none issue. Do the job and we are home and dry. Mane did not do that so here we are. Cheers, mate.



07 Dec 2017 13:14:06
Hey all, I've been away for a couple of weeks and haven't been watching the games, I'm pleased to see that Klopp continues to make me look foolish for doubting him.

I'm interested in how we've set up with the 'fab four'? Has Couts been playing #10 in a 4-2-3-1 or has he been playing in a midfield 3?


1.) 07 Dec 2017 13:26:24
I think they played a 4-4-2 very narrow, mane and coutinho wide firmino salah top.

2.) 07 Dec 2017 13:28:10
Phil doesn’t have a specific position especially when he occupies one of the spot in midfiled. He picks the ball from where liverpool dispossess the oppposition and carries it forward. He is one of those players who doesn’t have a position! Klopp doesn’t play a rigid formation. His front 3 just moves around according to the needs while Coutinho juts picks their runs. Just like ignore the money part of a transfer ignore his true position. He doesn’t have one!
Philippe courinho is vision!

3.) 07 Dec 2017 13:31:10
Its hard to pin down coz it changes every game!
Last night tho he was playing on the left of a midfield 4 as a wide playmaker. We were set up as 4-4-2 last night, with Mo and Bobby up top. But our attacking players were so fluid that you couldn't really say they were playing in a rigid formation.

4.) 07 Dec 2017 14:09:35
It’s changed almost every game - and in a good way. We seem to be mix and matching from an 3-4-3 (where Gomez plays more as a third CB) to a 4-3-3, and in the last game to a 4-4-1-1

Against Spartak Salah played very centrally with Firmino very close to him, and then Coutinho and Mane were bursting forward from wide and slightly deeper to create the ‘fab 4’ in attack everyone’s been referring to. The movement was so fluid though that defenders struggled to follow the movement and one touch passing. The second goal was a thing of beauty.

Can and Gini together with the fullbacks largely sat deeper to control midfield and protect against the counter.

5.) 07 Dec 2017 14:16:38
Last night we started as a 443 with couts in the "8" position but then we switched to a narrow 442.

6.) 07 Dec 2017 16:46:12
443 eh 🤔😂✌.

7.) 07 Dec 2017 18:05:15
It was more of a 4-4-2 as VakPa said. Coutinho left midfield, Mane right midfield, with Firmino playing just off of Salah. It's the same system we used to slaughter West Ham. I think it may well be the future for us under Klopp. It is perfect for the counter attacking style, and allows us to sit back deeper and concede less without affecting our goal scoring.

It was a joy to watch. If Coutinho leaves and we persist with this formation, you'd say that we are better off targeting a player most comfortable on the wide left now rather than an attacking midfielder. It makes the prospect of signing Lemar very, very exciting.

8.) 07 Dec 2017 19:01:45
Whatevwr the setup, the main thing is that coutinho is freed from central midfield duties and can focus the majority of his game on influencing the attack. We should all know ny now that the attacking group don't rrally play in positions. Yesterday seemed like it was a
4-2-goforthandconquer type of formation.

9.) 07 Dec 2017 20:24:37
The formation IMO, was a hybrid 4-4-2 that can morph into a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 with Can and Wiji in the double pivot in CM with Cou and Mane on either side of Firmino behind Salah up top. Teams can't figure us out up top cos all 4 players are able to occupy almost every position in the forward line seamlessly and that will give any team fits. The bus parkers had better beware. If you park the boss, we will score 3-5 goals. If you don't, we will score 5-7 goals. Loving it. We are not the finished article yet which shows how good this team can actually be with more additions in critical areas. On to Everton.

10.) 07 Dec 2017 21:15:36
great to see how our team is evolving into a force to be reckoned with,
I bet Salah is happy that he signed for us, we are a match made in heaven .

11.) 07 Dec 2017 23:15:19
klopp said last night in the post match presser that it was a 4411 with couts left mane right firminio upfront and salah between the lines.



23 Nov 2017 23:36:19
Hey Eds, there's a question that's been in the back of my mind for years but I've never asked, I wondered if you knew anything about it.

Back in 2003 Liverpool played Chelsea in the last match of the season, occupying 4th and 5th. Chelsea won that day and qualified for the Champion's League. Soon afterwards Abramovich bought them.

I'm wondering if history would be different if Liverpool had won that game? Would Abramovich have bought Chelsea? Would he have looked at a different club, was there a chance he would have bought us?


{Ed007's Note - Was it not Spurs Abramovich was initially looking to buy? I don't think buying Liverpool was ever an option for him.}

1.) 24 Nov 2017 07:49:33
I'm sure I read he was due to buy spurs. But when he was flying over London in his helicopter he saw the Chelsea stadium and changed his mind.

2.) 24 Nov 2017 08:38:32
He spoke to ranieri and aske a who he should buy.

Ranieri said Chelsea for immeddiate success or spurs for longer term success.

3.) 24 Nov 2017 13:06:18
I remember that rumour at the time. Kind of glad though I'd hate to be a Chelsea fan constantly letting go of youngsters, knowing you had kdb etc. That's one of the best things about being a fan, seeing youngsters come through.

4.) 24 Nov 2017 16:56:49
HOW ‘long term’ Was spurs success supposed to be? They love ok good but still don’t look like winning anything.



20 Nov 2017 12:40:52
Four wins on the trot really changes the atmosphere doesn’t it? Bearing in my mind how negative everyone was a month ago (me included) it’s actually reflects brilliantly on Klopp that we find ourselves right in the chasing pack behind the breakaway Man City. I’m not going to talk about the game because I only saw the highlights but there’s a number of general points worth discussing.

Klopp – A month ago the manager was under pressure, a run of one win in 8 games was not good enough and there was a genuine danger of our ambitions being sunk just three months into the season. Luckily we hung onto the coattails of our rivals over the period and now that our forms improved we’re right back in it, Klopp gets huge credit for recovering the situation. That doesn’t mean those questioning Klopp were wrong, he has targets that he has been hired to meet and if we end the season missing those targets his position will be under threat but as of today he’s sitting pretty.

Salah – I had a debate the other week with Ed1 about whether Salah was our best player, the bone of contention was whether Salah’s form had been maintained long enough to take that accolade. I’m still not convinced of the answer but it’s all a bit irrelevant, the fact is that he has been sensational this season. There are very few strikers who wouldn’t be jealous of his strike rate and his work rate and movement are phenomenal, to be playing so well so quickly is astonishing. I thought Mane had had a brilliant debut season last year but Salah is blowing him out of the water, long may his form continue.

Coutinho – There is something deeply unpleasant about how quickly fans have turned on Coutinho and the talk before the Southampton game was absurd. I’d prefer him to want to be a Liverpool player but I completely understand why he wants to play for Barcelona and I won’t blame him for having personal interests that clash with his employer’s. I don’t know what’s happened behind closed doors, I only know what he’s doing on the pitch and on the pitch he is working for the benefit of the team which is all we should ask of him, as long as Klopp is happy to select him I’m happy to see him in a Liverpool shirt. For the record I’m also confident that Coutinho will be a Liverpool player in February.

Our rivals – Football fans have a strange tendency to undermine the qualities of their rivals. Guardiola is just a check book manager, Mourinho just parks the bus and Wenger is passed it. Right now Guardiola is creating something brilliant at City, yes he’s spent money but football management is a lot more complicated than just putting 11 good players on the pitch, as far as I’m concerned Guardiola is currently demonstrating why he’s the highest profile manager in the world. Mourinho gets an incredible amount of stick but his team have scored more goals than us and conceded a lot less, now that Pogba’s back they’re only going to get better. As for Wenger his team dominated a Spurs side who humiliated us, he has trouble with consistency but his team are sensational on their day. My point is that there are a number of posters who seem to think that we’re now the best team in the country because of our recent form, that’s hugely arrogant. We’re still going to have work exceptionally hard to get top four this season and a bad result against Chelsea on Saturday (who themselves are in great form after their own wobbles) will take us back to square one. We know how quickly things can change in football, we mustn’t get complacent.

Our ceiling – Having said all that we have every reason to be optimistic, we played our four star attackers together for only the second time this season, Lallana is almost back, AOC and Studge are showing form off the bench, Henderson’s getting back to his best and there’s green shoots of recovery in our defence. At the start of the season I thought we were good enough to challenge for the title, that ship has sailed but we can still have an excellent season, I want us to focus on the FA Cup but no one will want to play us in the CL and we can still have our best premier league season since 13/ 14.


1.) 20 Nov 2017 13:00:01
Putney - I think you raise an excellent point about Klopp. Someone's ability to answer questions being asked do not make the questioner wrong. Klopp was gathering doubters because he was not taking control of an escalating situation. He then provided a satisfactory response to most of those doubters. Valid questions can have positive responses and that is a good thing.

2.) 20 Nov 2017 13:06:16
You are without a doubt one of the best poster on the site and I loved reading this one. I completely agree with you on Coutinho. There is no way I believe we will offload him in January!

3.) 20 Nov 2017 13:31:44
Klopp has done well to change it around and players coming back from injury has helped this, but I am still unsure of his capability to bring us to the next level. We will do very well to get top four this year when we have to compete with Chelsea and Arsenal for 4th with the rest picking themselves so far and without the well needed defensive signings in the summer transfer window we are looking like the underdogs.

As for Salah I was very excited when we turned our attentions to him after missing out on Brandt in the summer. He has everything it takes to be a world class player for us. Again It is important we evolve as a team and begin to start challenging properly to make sure he does not want to leave for anywhere else.

Coutinho I disagree with you on. We need players that are 100 percent concentrated on playing for us. Yes he has moments of magic but sometimes I think he holds the rest of our talented players back by shooting whenever he gets within 35 yards of goal or looking for the ball all the time instead of letting the other players express themselves as well. Sooner he is gone the better, I think we will be much more better of with Keita instead of him when he arrives.

4.) 20 Nov 2017 13:33:18
Awww, thanks Harry, love you too bud.

5.) 20 Nov 2017 13:45:14
one of the best read on the site for a while. i could not have said it better and you showed a touch of class by maintaining your humility and not getting carried away by the 4 conscutive wins we have.

6.) 20 Nov 2017 13:52:50
Really well constructed post. Disagree on some points, but also you make some great points. We'll done Putney. Enjoyed reading that one.

7.) 20 Nov 2017 14:56:05
good read putney but the coutinho thing is really easy to explain in my opinion, its not like it was years ago where you heard basically nothing of what happens behind closed doors (and im not having a dog at the eds or macca) but in todays world fans just know too much details of what is happening behind closed doors for better or for worse, some are like me and when a player don't want to play for your club he should be moved on getting the best deal for your club. a lot of fans hear about the sulking etc and see the guy is sick but plays for brazil and it don't matter what he does they can't see past it just my opinion butt as i said good comprehensive read.



05 Nov 2017 13:44:19
I'm so disappointed to keep re-reading the same old posts about Mignolet. Yesterday he was fine but we still get these deconstructions of his performance. For the goal he was blameless and as for the Ayew incident he did his job, he made himself big and forced Ayew to miss, I don't see how he gets criticism for that. There were a couple of incidents with his ball control but nothing actually came from either, this is an area he's actually demonstrated himself to be pretty strong in the last couple of seasons.

Migs had gotten a lot of undeserved criticism recently and I include the spurs game in that. In that game it wasn't his fault we lost but he was made the scapegoat.

We all know there are better keepers than Migs out there but he's ours and he deserves our support. He's been a decent servant to Liverpool, he was keeper when we almost won the league the years ago, he was our keeper in two cup finals last year. It's not his fault he's not as good as DDG or Courtois, he just tries his best and he has my thanks for that.


1.) 05 Nov 2017 14:13:45
The frustration is a result of constant errors. He has not improved since we purchased him and he offers little in goal. I would prefer to give one of our two young keepers a chance to make those same errors in the hopes that st least they can get better.

2.) 05 Nov 2017 14:23:59
Dismissing errors because "nothing came from them" is a red herring. It doesn't cease being a mistake if you're not punished for it.

As I said below in the reply to Scarry Houser's post, we wouldn't be talking about Migs' mistakes against West Ham much if they were an isolated incident. But they're not. He's making mistakes in more matches than not. If he stops making mistakes, people will stop obsessing over his performances.

3.) 05 Nov 2017 14:48:12
They weren't clean play but they weren't mistakes either. It's this constant striving to find something to criticize that I find so irritating, you start the match having decided that's he's going to do badly and then look for an incident to justify your pre conceived opinion. For any other goalie that was at least a 6 out of 10 performance but because it's Migs he's eviscerated.

4.) 05 Nov 2017 15:17:54
I don't want Mignolet in the Liverpool goal longterm. I hope Klopp gives the gloves to Ward or Marius soon. But I have to admit, some of the criticism Migs gets is uncalled for. The only mistake I can think of him making yesterday was when he unnecessarily gave away the ball near the corner flag and his goal kicks mostly never finds any of our teammates.

5.) 05 Nov 2017 15:20:07
Every man and his dog is an expert these days Putney Red. That is the issue! Personally i tend not to read or comment on posters or Ed's reviews on players because its just one opinion albeit written a lot better with nice paragraphs but its still only one opinion.

We need a new keeper. In fact you could argue we need 2 if Ward or Karius don't step up or Klopp doesn't rate them highly enough but i agree, giving Mignolet dogs abuse and pointing out every error certainly won't help. He is Klopp's No1 in the League so get used to it. If it goes tits up don't blame Mignolet, blame Klopp. Mignolet can only do the best he can.

6.) 05 Nov 2017 15:23:47
Agree - he’s not my pick but he doesn’t deserve getting panned every week even if he does OK.

7.) 05 Nov 2017 15:34:06
Totally agree with this, I think everyone can agree that he is not good enough but I’m really not sure what he could have done about West Ham’s goal yesterday. It was a decent finish that Lanzini took early and put right in the corner, constantly criticizing someone just for the sake of it is pathetic.

8.) 05 Nov 2017 16:41:46
I'm never shy of giving Mignolet criticism but he didn't have a bad game ( for him) yesterday.

9.) 05 Nov 2017 22:31:51
I agree with your post that Migs is getting undeserved flack vs WH as he did nothing wrong on the WH goal. But to say that he has been getting undeserved criticism of late, is complete tosh. Are you actually trying to somehow absorb him of blame vs Spurs? If anyone was scapegoated for thtat loss, it was Lovren. It was not Lovren who came stupidly storming out of goal to get to a ball that Harry Kane already had at his feet for the first goal. It was not Lovren who came out and completely flapped at a cross that the defenders were about to clear leading to Kane's second goal and Spurs' goal.

It was all Migs, the very same one who almost cost us the LC game with two errors and giving away a penalty that Vardy shot right at him. The same guy who has led the PL in errors that lead to goals since 2013. Stop defending the indefensible, bro. The guy is pants and the reason he is still playing is cos (per Ed01), Klopp does not wanna bring Karius back in and the disgraceful set of fans who got on his back for making two mistakes last season, do the very same thing again if he makes one now.




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20 Nov 2017 12:41:48
I will bet my house that Klopp doesn't try to offload Henderson.




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19 Oct 2017 12:50:06
Would we have another look at Brandt? I know he currently plays as a forward but, from the little I've seen of him, his style looks very similar to coutinho's.




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07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.




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25 Aug 2017 12:52:30
Dunh Dunh Dunh, another one bites the dust, and another one's gone and another one's gone, another one bites the dust.




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24 Aug 2017 23:19:17
Wrong Harry guys.





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16 Dec 2017 10:35:44
Whether Karius becomes first choice or not is not down to the fans. It's about whether Klopp trusts him and whether he does the business on the pitch.




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16 Dec 2017 10:34:01
BRover, the question was why Ron is upset and he has a legitimate reason. You're talking about a lot of what ifs and maybes. The only fact is that Klopp didn't play our strongest team in the Merseyside derby. You may be okay with Klopp doing that but Ron isn't.

My beef is that playing Solanke was a terrible choice for that game, Klopp played right into Allardyce's hands and it's a concern that Klopp showed such poor judgement.




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16 Dec 2017 10:24:15
The fact that he hasn't been given any kind of chance so far is a concern. It suggests Klopp has doubts about him for whatever reason.

If I was him I'd be desperate for a loan.




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16 Dec 2017 08:02:21
Setting myself up for a fall here but I think Ron would be fine with playing our best team and not winning. It's not the result that bothers him it's the not taking it seriously that he has a problem with.




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15 Dec 2017 06:24:36
To be fair ed city have always had the money, Pep's taken them to level above what any of their previous managers could.


{Ed001's Note - and done so by spending more money than previous managers, a lot more.}