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31 Aug 2017 01:27:05
It amazes me how people don't seem to believe that with application and determination a footballer's game can improve significantly. Add a talented coaching staff, a supportive club and fanbase, and it's more than possible for AOC to be surprise us all. Stranger things have happened IMO.

I believe he's young enough to improve and will be eager to prove, if only to himself, that he made the right decision.
Moreno has moved from woeful to not so bad and might still improve further.

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1.) 31 Aug 2017 03:25:28
De Bruyne, Coutinho, Lukaku, all moved on from previous clubs as they weren't hitting the heights expected of them. Sometimes it takes the right club and coaches to bring out the best in a player.


2.) 31 Aug 2017 04:23:22
KDB and Coutinho has Brains something AOX doesn't possess! No other differences mate!


3.) 31 Aug 2017 05:08:42
Please correct me if im wrong, Harry, but im pretty certain that Coutinho Lukaku and KDB had the same pieces of anatomy in their skulls when they were at Inter and Chelsea. Regardless of their perceived intelligence, they had trouble establishing themselves until they moved clubs.


4.) 31 Aug 2017 05:21:40
I am sorry but it playing time that lead to KDB and Coutinho's exit from Chelsea and inter! Nothing to do with ability!

{Ed001's Note - except that they couldn't get playing time because the clubs felt they were not good enough at that stage in their careers. That would be everything to do with ability.}


5.) 31 Aug 2017 07:28:29
Ox has never really had a long run in a position to learn it. Whether through injury or more recently through Wenger changing his position every week. My mate (Arsenal fan) said he had a couple of games at cm where he played well and looked like the only player really trying and they thought this would become his position and then for some reason next game he'd be left out or playing wing back instead. the boy has talent Wenger just doesn't know what he's doing these days.


 

 

31 May 2014 00:22:36
Really hoping we get Lallana. He was the only one who seemed capable of unlocking Peru's defense. He was positive and looks like he would fit right into BR's philosophy.

Apparently we've made a 'final bid' of 25 mil. Hoping Southampton will accept and he can go to Brazil with his future more or less sorted.

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1.) 31 May 2014 02:09:30
One for the eds or reds.

I don't now the ins & outs of the FFP guidelines. I do however agree these restriction are needed to preserve the integrity of the greatest sport in the world.

Am not a football expert but I do understand brokering deals (not football related) and have to apply my trade within a framework set by regulators.

So let's say we buy lallana for £25m. The personal terms are a 5 year contract on £100k a week . that's £26m (for ease of calculation I have ignored all other fees and taxes). Total cost £51m

Now if we were to buy for £25m but agree to pay Lallana £50k per week (that's a £13m saving) but with a clause stating that we give Lallana a 50% share of his sell on fee. So if we sold him for £25m in 3 years he would get £12.5m. In this situation the player is £500k down. If sold for more lallana is better off.

The latter would surely be better for the club. The club will have a lower wage bill, reduces risk and liability on accounts and less likely to fall foul of FFP.

Am I being thick (apologies in advance)

{Ed007's Note - Without going into too much detail, why would Lallana agree to it when he could just move to another team and get a deal that suits him rather than get messed about with trying to help a club meet FFP. I was going to leave your post for Ed002 but I don't think her answer would be as courteous as mine. The menopause is proving to be tough time for her and her nightime sweats and flatulence are proving tough for me.... YUK!!! Why else am I here at half 3 in the morning, our bedroom smells of boiled eggs and hot cabbage!!!!}


2.) 31 May 2014 10:31:36
REALLY. Ed002 has been really courteous with me of late. I have been really impressed with her.
Although the other day she did call a poster, 'some kind of person', which almost had me choking on my cornflakes.

The flatulence your welcome too.agreed "YUK"

vrcomp
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3.) 31 May 2014 10:59:43
Hi Bexit, I agree with ed001. No reason for lallana to accept something like that. I also think that your post is an example of why Ed002 hates discussing the finances so much, you've explained your idea very clearly but I'm sorry I don't think it makes much sense.


4.) Thanks for the replies. duly noted. The point I was trying to put across is the concept of lower wage plus % of sell on fee. The finer details would be thrashed out through negotiation of contracts through solicitors and other personnel (not sure who exactly is involved). I would hope that during negotiations a specialist in taxation and wealth management are on hand to aid solicitor.

FFP is for the great of the sport. Clubs will have to adapt so in turn the players have too it's how change works in all walks of business. It just takes a bit of time to adjust too. Instead of wait and see what others do and then follow
the herd why not try it first.

In my opinion it would be worth doing on smaller deals say players up to £5m. If this concept works then do it with a 10m buy and so on.

{Ed001's Note - the players won't adjust that quickly. They will just wait out their contracts more often to get themselves a better deal.}


 

 

30 May 2014 07:17:20
Really can't believe what I've been reading about Lambert.
We started the season with 4 senior out and out strikers. Borini was loaned out and Aspas didn't score a league goal and never threatened to break into the starting 11.
So what if Lambert is 32? If I'm not mistaken he's the first player to make the England squad from outside last season's top 6 clubs, (before his Southampton team mates).
He's on his way to Brazil on merit. The stats tell the story of what he's capable of and he's been fantastic.

Even if he only has a couple good seasons left in him there are a few things we know for sure. He loves the club and will give his all and he understands where he'll be in the pecking order.
We had a good season and I'm sure nobody will hold Aspas responsible for us not winning the league. Is he a better backup striker than Rickie Lambert? YOU DECIDE.

jcanRED

1.) If Gerrard gets injured/needs a rest we've got the best penalty taker around. He's a scouser, a fan, and I happen to believe he's a much better player than some say on here.


 

 

10 Sep 2013 23:54:51
How good as Jordan Henderson become? It really is a pleasing as a fan to see your club's players develop before your eyes. Remember Lucas? Now he's a fixture in the first team and didn't we miss him when he got injured at Chelsea?
Now for the question. Which other players can you think of who overcame a disappointing initial period at the club to become really good? {Ed001's Note - easy - Ian Rush, he even cost Twentyman his job, due to the pressure heaped on him when Rush was thought to be a flop!}

jcanRED

1.) Gareth bale


2.) Sorry read it as 'a club'


3.) The obvious name other then Jordan Henderson, is Lucas Levia in recent times. Great midfielder and does such an important job. When he's injured the team genuinely miss him. He had a hard time in his first few seasons, featuring from the bench and struggling to find his feet consistently when called upon, but once Xabi and later Mascherano left Lucas really stepped up and has become a lynch pin in the Liverpool team.


4.) As good as hendo has become I personally think bales transformation over 3-4 seasons is astonishing! Went from being traded as part of a deal for downing to the worlds most expensive player. Regardless of what you think he went from being a useless LB to one of the best attackers in the world


5.) Jan Molby struggled early on in his Liverpool career. But he did have to fill Souness' boots and that was an unenviable task. To be fair, the whole team struggled to adapt to his loss so it might be a bit harsh on big Jan.
I almost enjoyed the early part of that first season without Souness because of the unpredictability.
We dropped a lot of points, early on. Rigsby.


6.) 11 Sep 2013 14:14:37
best change I ever seen was jamie carragher I feared the worse after that utd game with two own goals and then he became a player that was used to fill in caps by houllier, but when rafa took over in 2004 and moved him permanently to the centre half position for about 5 years he was easily in the top 5 defenders in europe.although I would put a lot of that down to his retirement from international football.


 

 

05 Sep 2013 05:49:04
Been looking at the league table again, yes again, and did u know that already, 6 of the top 7 are the teams we expect to be in the top 6 come the end of the season? The exception? Stoke, who we beat on the opening day.

Also, interestingly enough, there are only 2 other unbeaten teams in the league, 1 is Chelsea, anyone care to have a guess who the other is?

jcanRED

1.) Everton.


2.) We are the only team with a 100% record.

Let's hope it continues!


 

 

 

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18 Jan 2018 15:52:14
Have read all the comments and there are points to argue for both sides. I think ultimately another Jan signing might be more down to what happens with Sturridge than with the sale of Coutinho.
Last month at some points Klopp was benching (resting) TWO of the front four, which seemed to imply that he thought we had more than adequate cover. Maybe he sees the return of Lallana as something like a new signing?

Tbh, our goalkeeping situation is more of a worry than buying a replacement for Coutinho, especially if none of the club's 'true targets' are available. The Keita, and to a lesser extent, van Dijk transfers do give us an insight into the manager's thinking. It's more about who he wants than who is available, and he seems willing to go the extra mile (to Blackpool) to get these specific players in.

I think if Sturridge leaves we might get a squad player in (sort of a 'Klavan til we get van Dijk' type thing)? Other than that I think that's it.

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Really excited about Henrikh Mkhitaryan! Just the kind of addition we need, real flair and very direct, in the same vein as Coutinho. Defenses are going to have a hard time dealing with him

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29 Jan 2018 16:40:26
The GK issue is an obvious one, not much to say on that regard. With respect to full backs, I think we have a proper LB in Robertson. His positional sense is very good and he has a decent delivery. His drive and determination is spot on. I think he should play as long as he's available.
The right side is where I think the club needs to look at. We are all aware that Gomez is a CB, and a promising one at that, but if we believe that challenging for titles and trophies is where we should be then he can't be playing at RB. The only other player whose individual mistakes have been as costly this season is probably Lovren.
So, that leaves us with TAA as our 1st choice specialist RB, and the fact that Gomez has been playing more games in the position says a lot, almost as much as Milner playing LB last season.

The truth is while we clamor for a Coutinho replacement we seem to have forgotten about a replacement for Clyne. To be fair, maybe when the club realized just how bad his back was the summer window had already passed, but now the end of the winter transfer window is upon us and RB should have been close to the top of the agenda.

We don't always agree with each other but nobody can argue against our defensive frailties. How are City 18 pts ahead of us when our attack is perhaps the only one comparable to theirs and we are the only team to beat them in the league? They have scored a lot of goals this season and won almost all their games, bot how often have they needed more than 2 goals to win a game?
The simple fact is they did their summer recruitment mainly in defensive areas where it was needed and now are reaping the benefits.

We have the most discussed defense in the country and while some may say our defense has been over scrutinized, it couldn't have been if there was no need for scrutiny in the first place. Let's hope for the best for the rest of the season but let's not be surprised if it turns out to be another very disappointing one.

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18 Jan 2018 16:10:40
Always heard he was a Liverpool fan. Good lad.
Do us a solid, will ya?

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18 Jan 2018 16:02:19
Somebody needs to teach him some of the phrases pundits use to save themselves from future embarrassment. Like:

"I could be wrong but. "
"I don't know much about. "
"Football is a crazy game. "
"Anything is possible. "

Would really help him, I think.

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08 Sep 2017 05:57:49
Have made it a point to watch Keita this season and its been a very bad decision on my part. Already I want this season to end. Can't wait to see him in Liverpool red.
He works really hard, puts himself about defensively, breaks up play and turns defense into attack in a flash, and that's not even the best part of his game.
To me, his most obvious talent is driving at the heart of the opposition defense, his runs always seem to open up space for his team mates, especially if they are coming in from the wings. My one criticism is he sometimes puts too much on his forward passes and the ball skips away, and he certainly loves him some megs, maybe a bit too much.

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07 Sep 2017 02:30:37
A player can play in the group stage for his new club if he had played for his previous club in qualifying stages (1st, 2nd or 3rd) .
Which means Coutinho could have played against Hoffenheim and still be eligible to play in the UCL had he got his move.
Also, what Ed001 was referring to, is the fact that a club can register 3 new players for the knockout stages and 1 of these players may be a player who had played in the group stages for a different team, but not in the same competition.
What this means is that the player could have played in the Europa League group stage, transferred in the Jan. window and then played for his new team in the knockout stages of the Champions League.

The same is true in reverse, i. e. Champions League group stage for previous team and knockout stage of the Europa League for new team, EXCEPT in the case where his previous team came 3rd in the group, which of course means that they are now in the Europa League. This makes him ineligible for either competition for the remainder of the season.

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