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11 Aug 2017 23:00:01
Just wanted people's and eds opinion, it's being commonly said that couts is going to replace iniesta who is probably in his last full season and understandably, couts is scared that if Barcelona don't buy him now, they'll move to another player so won't want him next season, everyone crying out for one more season, who would accept £100 million with him staying on a season long loan? Highly unlikely I know but it was mentioned kind of in the bar tonight and was just curious of other people's thoughts.

WelshScouse

1.) 11 Aug 2017 23:17:55
I would prefer more money now.
A season long loan is pointless, he'd have nothing to play for. If the player is not committed to LFC then they are no use to us.


2.) 11 Aug 2017 23:18:58
Why would Barcelona ever do that, the reason why coutinho is wary that it is now or never is because they want a player to come in now . buying now and loaning back would be moronic from barcelonas point of view, especially if your paying 100 million. My opinion anyway.


3.) 11 Aug 2017 23:44:10
Ck14,i wasn't suggesting for one second it was feasible, more just getting views, I'm in agreement with you Ron that I would rather let him go and play someone 100% dedicated in his position so it wasn't me saying I hope this happens, it was only because it was mentioned earlier I wanted to see if this was offered, who would take it?


4.) 11 Aug 2017 23:48:12
i want more.


5.) 12 Aug 2017 00:01:35
Co - the question was whether you would accept that kind of deal! The answer for me is yup yup and yup! laced with a little bit of hesitation tho knowing that it can be difficult to focus for a long period when you know you're dream move is coming.


6.) 12 Aug 2017 00:06:02
If Iniesta can do another season why sell Couts now and leave us short? . Let him go next year and we can find a suitable replacement in the meantime. Oh right it suits Barcelona to get him now and bed him in thus causing us hassle as Ed2 said Liverpool as known for a year he was wanting the men in suits should have had this sorted along time ago.


7.) 12 Aug 2017 01:21:24
After getting over the initial shock of pc's tr and having time to think. He should go. I know he will still perform for us if we force him to stay but I've always felt that if a player isn't 100% committed to the club and the player wants to leave it will have a detrimental effect on the club to make him stay. I don't want anyone here who doesn't want to be here. It's that simple really. No matter how good. For that reason sell him. And it's for that reason I think virgil van djike will definitely join and naby kieta too. We can't bank on that (as far as I'm aware) so in the mean time sign lanzini or luan who shouldn't break the bank and although not pc level (but who is! ) They could both do a job for us. I don't know much about luan, he has v good reputation and clips look brilliant but lanzini I feel could really surprise people, the guy is fantastic, very intelligent footballer, very skillful. I could see him scoring 14 assisting 7, absolutely. Then what have we lost? A hefty wage bill. Plus we have a lot of cash. I'm not suggesting lanzini is as good all round player as pc but like I say, he could certainly go 14 g 7 a

That said we don't fully know the pc situation. Papers are making it sound like war between lfc and coutinio family. We all know what women can be like when they don't get their way or have their sights set on something. I don't wanna right off pc yet but if he really has his heart set on the move so much so that he is falling out with people at the club then it's mad to make him stay. It could actually cost us a title, rather than get us closer to one.


8.) 12 Aug 2017 03:53:44
I think it should be that Liverpool takes a few days to explore whether there is a realistic chance of signing a top player we'd be happy with - perhaps Keita again for even more money, or Max Meyer, or someone PSG needs to sell (like Matuidi. ) and if we can still strengthen the squad before end of the window then let Couts go. Better for everyone's reputation

If we can't get a player with sufficient quality to strengthen midfield or at striker (so Firmino can drop deeper) then he stays and hope he understands the situation and knuckles down like Suarez did.

I'm worried that unlike Suarez who was turned down from joining Arsenal, Coutinho is being refused from his ultimate dream. Given how strongly he clearly feels now, we should not be blocking that move unless we really have zero choice.


9.) 12 Aug 2017 05:07:13
Matuidi to replace Coutinho?


10.) 12 Aug 2017 05:27:37
I habe been impressed by Lanzini a couple times. One match i saw i remember thinking this kid kinda termindato me of Coutinho. don't know why so many people say he is crap.


11.) 12 Aug 2017 05:27:56
Javier Pastore to replace Coutinho?


12.) 12 Aug 2017 06:48:02
Cobra, our wingers this season are going to be Mane and Salah so we don't need a like for like replacement, we just need a player that we think will strengthen the squad. If we got Matuidi, Hendo and Matuidi at base of midfield would be an awesome combo, freeing up Lallana and Gini to play further forward.

The point is we have the freedom to rethink how we shape the team, and we should be bringing in the best player that improves the overall squad. We still have the midfield combo of Hendo/ Gino/ Lallana that was so effective last year remember, so it's not even prescriptive a new recruit even needs to be in midfield IMO. Could potentially be a world class striker like Lewa and dropping Firmino into no.10 (I know never going to happen, just making a point) .


13.) 12 Aug 2017 07:12:46
It is a job. People change jobs. And as any other employer does LFC needs to consider if need someone to do that job now he is leaving. Personally I don't think playing position is the issue. The money could be used to bring in someone to have as big an impact in a different position.


14.) 12 Aug 2017 07:22:54
LFC will probably sell at 120m Euro now that he has handed in a request to leave, just hope LFC spend it wisely.


15.) 12 Aug 2017 07:44:29
LFC should do unto others. Barcelona got a lot for Neymar insist they spend it.


16.) 12 Aug 2017 08:06:25
I will be so happy when the transfer window shuts. I don't think I have been this unconcerned about a new season before. I'm usually buzzing but I'm all 'Meh' at the moment. LFC need to get it together in regards to how they do business.


17.) 12 Aug 2017 08:43:18
Unconcerned? Our star player wants out and will surely of caused unrest in the camp by handing in a transfer request a day before our first game, can is refusing to sign a contract, our top targets aren't for sale, we are still shockingly bad at the back, same defence as last year, Robertson will be a benchwarmer! For todays game, no coutinho, lallana, sturridge, clyne or lovren! Nothing to be concerned about hey?


18.) 12 Aug 2017 09:35:18
Liverpool should give Barcelona 48hrs to put £120 mill on the table in full payment. If they won't then there is no deal and he stays. I don't want to keep anyone who doesn't want to stay. but we must get the maximum we can in order to replace him.


19.) 12 Aug 2017 09:37:09
Do on to others?
So when we force the cash out of Barcelona you would like everyone else to do the same to us as we look for replacements?


20.) 12 Aug 2017 12:33:44
Should tell Barcelona you can have him at the end of the transfer window for 120mill and between now and then try and get someone in. I don't know if this is possible but I would tell them not to leak this to the press or the deal is off just so other clubs don't know we have 120 mill to spend so they can't inflate their prices. I personally want him gone handing in a TR 1 day before our first game and 4 days before a massive game for us. If he handed the TR in last month i would have wished him all the best but coming out with crap about doing it amicably is bullshit he wanted his 5 percent of the transfer fee.


21.) 12 Aug 2017 12:54:55
Unconcerned may have been the wrong word. I meant unconcerned as in, I don't even care the season is starting because pre season has been a let down. Maybe Depressed is a better expression.


22.) 12 Aug 2017 15:21:01
Neymar deal has put everyone's head in the clouds. Cannot believe people are calling 90 million a pitance (sorry about spelling) it's 0.1 % of Britain's debt to euro union! Coutinio is class but not the 2nd best player ever. Far from it.

That said, as we are directly affected by the neymar deal we too should see an inflated price. I like the idea of raiding PSG as they must have decent players who need selling.


23.) 12 Aug 2017 15:23:16
Easy to say "buy a top striker" but who? This could've been sorted out sooner and we could have seriously gone for lacazette. He looks great and I think we will live to regret not making it happen. Especially if arsenal finish above us.


24.) 12 Aug 2017 17:59:16
I think psg cm would be decent. I'm not completely sold on gini wijnaldum. I think he is a pussy. That's why he never scores away goals. He closed his eyes to head the ball today which led to watford equiliser. BEFORE his head made contact! I think goals against city and boro make us think he is better than he is. He's okay, part of me really likes him but I think liverpool lack metal. Imo we have 2 players with real steel in em and that's Hendo and Can. The fact I haven't added a cb in that list really highlights liverpool problem.

Successful lfc teams of the past have been full of "hard" players. Gerrard, hanman, mascherano, hypia, skrtel agger Ince souness mcman. The list goes on. People will say football has changed but chelsea were full of bruisers last year and people will always dislike getting hurt. Kieta znd van djike would certainly give us some edge. It should hurt to play liverpool.


25.) 12 Aug 2017 23:05:18
Red sky I don't want it, I fully expect everyone else to want that money cos they will and always have done.


 

 

08 Dec 2015 09:43:07
Hi eds, is someone having a laugh suggesting 18million for Rossi? Please tell me we're not interested.

WelshScouse

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool.}


1.) 08 Dec 2015 13:45:30
Someone to compete with Sturridge. For time out injured, that is.


2.) 08 Dec 2015 14:10:25
Perhaps the strategy is if we have Pato, Rossi, Sturridge in the squad we might be able to get at least one of them on the pitch between them.


3.) 09 Dec 2015 00:00:17
Will prefer drogba or ibra or eto . at least they are fit most of time.


4.) 09 Dec 2015 01:36:52
To be fair zimbo, pato has played nearly 50 games this calendar year. Least I read that. Scored 25 or so goals, don't know the exact number.


5.) 09 Dec 2015 07:59:43
Is there any hope of Ings returning this January, i am in agreement with Klop's direction, stop buying finished products, start COACHING those you have on ground and moving only those who are unteachable.

{Ed001's Note - Ings is out for the season.}


 

 

 

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08 Jan 2018 17:17:56
Might be a stupid or simple question ed, concerns both VVD and coutinho and many others, when a player hands in a transfer request, how long is that request valid for. I believe if they hand in a request they lose a substantial bonus/ payoff when they sign for a new team so with both VVD and coutinho handing in a request last summer but both not moving until January would the request have been automatically retracted at the end of the summer window so they both receive their additional payment or does it stay on their contract until they personally retract it at any given time. Was just curious how these requests work once submitted.

WelshScouse

{Ed002's Note - The Transfer Request does not carry a period of validity and in pretty much all cases stay in place until the club and player part company. The player forgoes 5% of the transfer fee so it is in the club's interest not to have it withdrawn.}


1.) 08 Jan 2018 17:45:37
Thanks for the answer ed.


2.) 08 Jan 2018 18:12:48
Still don’t understand why we didn’t just sell him in the summer though.


3.) 08 Jan 2018 21:46:57
Westwood, We were going to sell him in the summer as Klopp was fed up with his antics BUT could not get Lemar or a suitable replacement in on time. That is why he stayed. This was common knowledge on this forum at the time. I hope this bit of info helps.


4.) 09 Jan 2018 06:09:21
Cheers Brover.


 

 

06 Jan 2018 21:03:03
Thoughts are with you Ed, never easy to lose someone close. So sorry to hear.

WelshScouse

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much WS.}


1.) 06 Jan 2018 21:18:33
I echo that Ed001. Thanks for bringing all the news you have in this difficult time.

{Ed001's Note - cheers HR3009, you are all very welcome.}


2.) 06 Jan 2018 21:42:28
I am sorry to hear of that Ed. My thoughts are are also with you at this difficult time.

We lost my auntie just before Christmas and her funeral is this Thursday.

{Ed001's Note - thank you Wassa and sorry to hear that, my condolences to all your family and best wishes.}


 

 

06 Jan 2018 19:51:23
Thanks for the memories pipco, absolute pleasure having you, best of luck going forward, at least you'll still get a champions league medal when we beat Barcelona in the final.

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05 Jan 2018 22:33:30
It was an fa cup Derby. As a unit, we played well, I think all players played their part in the victory, I think a red card should have been shown, if not because firmino could have really got injured, more so because the way he was pushed into the crowd, the fans could have been injured, at that point, it should be a simple decision for the ref, all in all, good performance by all 14 players, bring on United in the next round.

WelshScouse

{Ed025's Note - a yellow possibly welsh..


1.) 05 Jan 2018 22:41:29
A yellow would of been fair, was surprised nothing was shown though. Another ref might of taken offence to being grabbed but as a whole the ref dealt with the situation ok players also helped diffuse the situation.

{Ed025's Note - very much so WY..


2.) 05 Jan 2018 22:42:55
Definitely a yellow ed.
No action? Ridiculous!
More amateur refereeing from professional referees.

{Ed025's Note - i agree macko...but i dont think the reds can complain about the refs decisions tonight mate.. :)


3.) 05 Jan 2018 22:44:47
😂😂 how is that a yellow card? An off the ball shove into the crowd. Yeah yellow card for that. 😂

Expect retrospective action 25 😉.


4.) 05 Jan 2018 22:53:14
Was a yellow but who cares. Let’s wait until the outcome of what Firmino might of said now. Hopefully all just get forgotten about now.


5.) 05 Jan 2018 22:58:30
Referee hat on, it was excessive force (red card), it meant to harm him, so also violent conduct (red card) . the ball was dead and it wasnt needed. its a straight red. ticks the boxes im afraid.


6.) 05 Jan 2018 23:02:07
Its Shearer that made me giggle, its not a penalty its a contact sport yet when Lovren touched Calvert the other week it was a penno as you can't put your hand on someone in the box, make your mind up lad, i don't think anyone has a clue anymore!


7.) 05 Jan 2018 23:06:11
According to Portuguese speakers on social media, the following “CE TA LOUCO? CE TA LOUCO? FILHO DA PUTA, ” which translates as: “Are you crazy? Are you crazy? Son of a bitch! ”.

{Ed025's Note - i cant see all the fuss myself.."handbags" for me..


8.) 05 Jan 2018 23:10:29
Issue is pundits are there to create stories rather than say it as they see it.


9.) 05 Jan 2018 23:19:01
As I mentioned it’s hard to watch Shearer/ Owen/ and similar because they were unedeniavly great players get don’t seem to understand the game/ rules? Maybe they were just told ‘here’s the ball, put it between the posts’ and it was easy for them to comprehend? It was a definite pen and due to an accumulation of things Holgate was lucky to stay on. He suffers with Wilshire syndrome t seems, small man thinks he can fight the world as he earns a a lot of money. Kennedy is a far classier player. Was good to see Everton actually have a go though, I am happy we beat them but it’s good to see our neighbours in better form. Better team won, justice done and hopefully we can push on.


10.) 05 Jan 2018 23:39:17
Ed25, I agree yellow for his push on firmino, my argument is, he pushed firmino into the crowd after the ball was dead, firmino was off balance after the first nudge therefore could not control how he went into the crowd, for me, as soon as you deliberately do something that put any one member of the crowd at risk, I think that is a straight red and that's what he done by pushing firmino into the crowd, interested to hear your opinion 25,im not or never have been red tinted glasses but studs to the face of a crowd member, which could have happened, is wrong.

{Ed025's Note - and if a player kicked the ball into the crowd and it broke someones nose should the player be done for assault welsh?...all these do gooders in the world are making people nervous to do anything spontaneous for fear of repercussions, he gave him a push ffs and i know where theres blame theres a claim culture is taking over the world but im not buying into it mate..


11.) 05 Jan 2018 23:40:03
Spot on, Benny. Under the rules, a player grabbing the ref like Holgate did is a yellow (in fact, touching the ref is a yellow in of itself) and shoving Firmino and endangering the safety of a player the way Holgate did, is another yellow. Result: Holgate should have been sent off.

{Ed025's Note - or shot at dawn...put in stocks, or castrated...my head hurts..


12.) 05 Jan 2018 23:53:42
Agree 100% with Benny, FA should take retrospective action. He’ll be lucky to only get 3 games for me.

{Ed025's Note - the ref seen it and took no action ron, half you bloody lot should watch darts if you dont like contact sports..


 

 

05 Jan 2018 11:02:18
If reports are true that Can has signed a pre-contract with Juve, just wanted to say best of luck to the lad. Always gives 100% in a Liverpool shirt, has never moaned or not played due to off field issues/ rumours, has just always put his head down and got on with it. Hope he reaches his potential.

WelshScouse

1.) 05 Jan 2018 11:15:54
He gave 100% up to this season, and at least he's not faked injury unlike a certain South American.

I'm not going to pretend Can's been playing well this season though. Just in the 2 weeks he's bottled countless challenges against Swansea, let Arsenals entire midfield run off him all game, and made a half hearted tackle which played a major part in Leicesters goal. At the start of the season we were getting mauled by Leicester, Man City and Watford and Can made no concerted effort to get into the game. I watched the 5-0 win against Swansea with my father in law and i had to calm him down after Can pulled out of the third challenge in a few minutes (he's Scottish though so it's against his religion to pull out of a tackle) .

It's a shame because Can is talented and he will be a great player one day. However, good riddance under the circumstances he's created.


2.) 05 Jan 2018 11:36:03
Exactly what circumstances Adam mate?


3.) 05 Jan 2018 11:43:45
Its a shame because he's still young and had hoped he could spend his best years with us.
What I think is going to be very strange is cheering on this fella who we all know has already signed for another club and his allegiance lies elsewhere.
Signing for new clubs on a Bosman should not be permitted until the season is over, be it foreign or domestic clubs who are intetested.


4.) 05 Jan 2018 11:59:31
The circumstance in which his form has fallen off a cliff because his effort levels have completely disappeared. It's gotten progressively worse as well. He had a few okay performances at the start of the season. Hoffenheim and Arsenal stand out. Since then he's been so bad that i wince when i see his name on the team sheet.

Early in the season he might have still been inconsistent, but that is just Emre Can to be fair. He always has been volatile performance wise. At least he was still scoring and creating goals with some neat flicks and powerful runs though. In the last 2 months however, he's been consistent; consistently terrible. It's almost embarrassing watching him walk around in midfield and shrug his arms when the opposition score as if it was nothing to do with him. He's been a passenger who has offered nothing defensively or offensively for months. The sooner his bags are packed, the better. I'd make him play in the u23's for the rest of the season to be honest. Put Matty Virtue in the first team squad instead, because i tell you now, he won't shirk any responsibilities you give him.

I follow Can on social media and nearly every post has YNWA in it. He's a snake. He's been pretending to love the club whilst secretly engineering a move away, and hiding from the ball on the pitch so he can't get blamed for results. Why people will come on here and lavish praise on the likes of Can and Coutinho, but then slaughter Firmino and Moreno is beyond me. I will always back a player who applies themself to the best of their ability, even if their best isn't that great. What i will not tolerate, is players who are Brazil and Germany internationals, playing to 50% of what they're capable of because they want to play for Juventus or Barcelona. If you don't want to play for Liverpool, get out of my sight because i don't want to look at you.


5.) 05 Jan 2018 12:25:05
MK, you have to try to separate the business side of football from the emotional side as they do not go hand in hand, IMO. Can may post whatever he likes on SM claiming this or that love for the club BUT in the end, these players are often told what to say and how to say it by their entourage so as to not get fans on their backs. Cou has done the same thing for ages now. Torres, Masche and the rest did it as well and so do other players at other clubs. Remember what Delph said about Villa and how he wanted to play there for years only to sign for City the next day? Frankly, I'm over all that nonsense cos it's words and nothing more. Also, let's not forget that Can played thru injury throughout the last 3rd of last season and Cou played thru illness at Stoke and both helped us get top 4 so a bit of perspective is needed here.

Now where I agree with you is in your last paragraph of your post which I think is bang on the money. People slam Moreno and Firmino and many others who actually WANNA BE HERE and lavish praise (sometimes blindly, IMO) on those who are off. That to me is what is like you imply, disgraceful.


6.) 05 Jan 2018 12:37:33
He's a snake? Hiding on the pitch? Secretly engineering a move away? Make him play under 23's? Liverpool supporters hate and spew vitriol at their own players like no other group of supporters do.


7.) 05 Jan 2018 12:41:42
You make some great points Brover, to be fair. I suppose his social media activity is just PR rubbish.

It still doesn't absolve him of his lack of effort though. I can't forgive that, or even just overlook it. It angers me deeply.


8.) 05 Jan 2018 12:50:56
MK, I get your point overall BUT I just think that you should not get too hung up on these things, IMO. Look, you are right that Can pulled out of a few challenges here and there BUT you have to give him credit for actually giving his all in both LC and Burnley games (tho, I thought he was decent at best in both games) where he initiated both goals and even in the 94th min at Burnley, it was his determination to get us on the front foot that caused the free kick that led to the goal. See why I don't get hung up on these things? Cos you can make an argument on either side hence, it's a wash. On to the next game, my friend.


9.) 05 Jan 2018 13:03:40
Fair point Brover. As you say though, even his better performances this year have just been decent. The Emre Can who helped drag us up to 4th in the second half of last season has disappeared off the face of the earth though and that is what has made me angry. That anger has just been amplified today by people thanking him for his professionalism when he hasn't shown any recently in my opinion.

I won't call them idiots, hypocrites, or question them as fans though. That's just there opinion, and I'm entitled to argue against it.


10.) 05 Jan 2018 15:04:31
You make a fair point as always MK, esp. with those praising him blindly which like you, I am not prepared to do. However, I propose you don't engage with name-callers cos to me, they have no other way of countering your points hence, they curse at you, an act that indicates that they have already lost the argument b4 it even began.


 

 

 

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11 Aug 2017 23:44:10
Ck14,i wasn't suggesting for one second it was feasible, more just getting views, I'm in agreement with you Ron that I would rather let him go and play someone 100% dedicated in his position so it wasn't me saying I hope this happens, it was only because it was mentioned earlier I wanted to see if this was offered, who would take it?

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I really hope he is not going to be rushed back early to try and relieve some pressure from Brendan on the hope he has a stormer and scores the winner, because if he is rushed back early, it will be more than likely he will pick up an injury in the warm up and be out until after christmas

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08 Jan 2018 17:45:37
Thanks for the answer ed.

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08 Jan 2018 11:10:51
My partners from Sweden and I visited for the first time in September. Went to a bar called the Dubliner or the Auld Dub, (think it used to be called the dubliner, now called the auld dub but locals know it as both) the address is Holländargatan 1, 111 36 Stockholm. It's an Irish sports bar but predominantly known for Liverpool matches and has Liverpool flags and a brilliant atmosphere full of Liverpool supporters. Unfortunately, the only match I watched in there was against Man City, so if you go there on Sunday, I hope you have better luck than I did.

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05 Jan 2018 23:39:17
Ed25, I agree yellow for his push on firmino, my argument is, he pushed firmino into the crowd after the ball was dead, firmino was off balance after the first nudge therefore could not control how he went into the crowd, for me, as soon as you deliberately do something that put any one member of the crowd at risk, I think that is a straight red and that's what he done by pushing firmino into the crowd, interested to hear your opinion 25,im not or never have been red tinted glasses but studs to the face of a crowd member, which could have happened, is wrong.

WelshScouse

{Ed025's Note - and if a player kicked the ball into the crowd and it broke someones nose should the player be done for assault welsh?...all these do gooders in the world are making people nervous to do anything spontaneous for fear of repercussions, he gave him a push ffs and i know where theres blame theres a claim culture is taking over the world but im not buying into it mate..


 

 

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02 Jan 2018 09:47:48
Thanks for your response Ed, much appreciated. A lot of these sites over-dramatise everything to make sure they get views so had a feeling you were the best person to come to for an accurate, non over the top explanation so thanks again.

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30 Dec 2017 18:07:47
I agree ed, we got the three points and personally, having played for a long time at a fairly decent level, you know in yourself when you haven't played well, I hope he knows, from the amount of balls he played in to nothing, it wasn't a good performance, he can then work off that and improve,

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