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01 Nov 2018 09:41:43
Hi Eds,

I read recently that Besiktas are not happy at all with Karius' performances since they took him and are now talking about terminating his loan in January and taking Origi instead. Do you know if there's any truth to this? And in your opinion, what what do you think that will do to his mentality if it were to happen?

WelshScouse

{Ed002's Note - I can't see that there is any truth in their looking to or even being able to terminate his Karius' loan. However, Besiktas are looking to add a forward and Divock Origi is one option they are looking at, but their focus is initially on someone else.}


1.) 01 Nov 2018 10:25:45
Things must be going bad if they are considering putting Origi in goal 🤔.


2.) 01 Nov 2018 14:27:10
Karius and his agent dismised those rumours.


3.) 02 Nov 2018 02:36:04
There was an article about this in The Guardian which stated that the Turkish press is having a field day dragging Karius' name through the mud, primarily because there news stories are often picked up by the British press. It also mentioned that the back-up keeper at Besiktas is a former Turkish international and some have suggested he should be starting games over Karius. The article went on to state that Besiktas were happy with Karius, that he had adapted to life well in Turkey, and that such stories were pure fabrication. Make of this what you will but it seemed to make a certain amount of logical sense to me.


 

 

11 Aug 2017 23:00:01
Just wanted people's and eds opinion, it's being commonly said that couts is going to replace iniesta who is probably in his last full season and understandably, couts is scared that if Barcelona don't buy him now, they'll move to another player so won't want him next season, everyone crying out for one more season, who would accept £100 million with him staying on a season long loan? Highly unlikely I know but it was mentioned kind of in the bar tonight and was just curious of other people's thoughts.

WelshScouse

1.) 11 Aug 2017 23:17:55
I would prefer more money now.
A season long loan is pointless, he'd have nothing to play for. If the player is not committed to LFC then they are no use to us.


2.) 11 Aug 2017 23:18:58
Why would Barcelona ever do that, the reason why coutinho is wary that it is now or never is because they want a player to come in now . buying now and loaning back would be moronic from barcelonas point of view, especially if your paying 100 million. My opinion anyway.


3.) 11 Aug 2017 23:44:10
Ck14,i wasn't suggesting for one second it was feasible, more just getting views, I'm in agreement with you Ron that I would rather let him go and play someone 100% dedicated in his position so it wasn't me saying I hope this happens, it was only because it was mentioned earlier I wanted to see if this was offered, who would take it?


4.) 11 Aug 2017 23:48:12
i want more.


5.) 12 Aug 2017 00:01:35
Co - the question was whether you would accept that kind of deal! The answer for me is yup yup and yup! laced with a little bit of hesitation tho knowing that it can be difficult to focus for a long period when you know you're dream move is coming.


6.) 12 Aug 2017 00:06:02
If Iniesta can do another season why sell Couts now and leave us short? . Let him go next year and we can find a suitable replacement in the meantime. Oh right it suits Barcelona to get him now and bed him in thus causing us hassle as Ed2 said Liverpool as known for a year he was wanting the men in suits should have had this sorted along time ago.


7.) 12 Aug 2017 01:21:24
After getting over the initial shock of pc's tr and having time to think. He should go. I know he will still perform for us if we force him to stay but I've always felt that if a player isn't 100% committed to the club and the player wants to leave it will have a detrimental effect on the club to make him stay. I don't want anyone here who doesn't want to be here. It's that simple really. No matter how good. For that reason sell him. And it's for that reason I think virgil van djike will definitely join and naby kieta too. We can't bank on that (as far as I'm aware) so in the mean time sign lanzini or luan who shouldn't break the bank and although not pc level (but who is! ) They could both do a job for us. I don't know much about luan, he has v good reputation and clips look brilliant but lanzini I feel could really surprise people, the guy is fantastic, very intelligent footballer, very skillful. I could see him scoring 14 assisting 7, absolutely. Then what have we lost? A hefty wage bill. Plus we have a lot of cash. I'm not suggesting lanzini is as good all round player as pc but like I say, he could certainly go 14 g 7 a

That said we don't fully know the pc situation. Papers are making it sound like war between lfc and coutinio family. We all know what women can be like when they don't get their way or have their sights set on something. I don't wanna right off pc yet but if he really has his heart set on the move so much so that he is falling out with people at the club then it's mad to make him stay. It could actually cost us a title, rather than get us closer to one.


8.) 12 Aug 2017 03:53:44
I think it should be that Liverpool takes a few days to explore whether there is a realistic chance of signing a top player we'd be happy with - perhaps Keita again for even more money, or Max Meyer, or someone PSG needs to sell (like Matuidi. ) and if we can still strengthen the squad before end of the window then let Couts go. Better for everyone's reputation

If we can't get a player with sufficient quality to strengthen midfield or at striker (so Firmino can drop deeper) then he stays and hope he understands the situation and knuckles down like Suarez did.

I'm worried that unlike Suarez who was turned down from joining Arsenal, Coutinho is being refused from his ultimate dream. Given how strongly he clearly feels now, we should not be blocking that move unless we really have zero choice.


9.) 12 Aug 2017 05:07:13
Matuidi to replace Coutinho?


10.) 12 Aug 2017 05:27:37
I habe been impressed by Lanzini a couple times. One match i saw i remember thinking this kid kinda termindato me of Coutinho. don't know why so many people say he is crap.


11.) 12 Aug 2017 05:27:56
Javier Pastore to replace Coutinho?


12.) 12 Aug 2017 06:48:02
Cobra, our wingers this season are going to be Mane and Salah so we don't need a like for like replacement, we just need a player that we think will strengthen the squad. If we got Matuidi, Hendo and Matuidi at base of midfield would be an awesome combo, freeing up Lallana and Gini to play further forward.

The point is we have the freedom to rethink how we shape the team, and we should be bringing in the best player that improves the overall squad. We still have the midfield combo of Hendo/ Gino/ Lallana that was so effective last year remember, so it's not even prescriptive a new recruit even needs to be in midfield IMO. Could potentially be a world class striker like Lewa and dropping Firmino into no.10 (I know never going to happen, just making a point) .


13.) 12 Aug 2017 07:12:46
It is a job. People change jobs. And as any other employer does LFC needs to consider if need someone to do that job now he is leaving. Personally I don't think playing position is the issue. The money could be used to bring in someone to have as big an impact in a different position.


14.) 12 Aug 2017 07:22:54
LFC will probably sell at 120m Euro now that he has handed in a request to leave, just hope LFC spend it wisely.


15.) 12 Aug 2017 07:44:29
LFC should do unto others. Barcelona got a lot for Neymar insist they spend it.


16.) 12 Aug 2017 08:06:25
I will be so happy when the transfer window shuts. I don't think I have been this unconcerned about a new season before. I'm usually buzzing but I'm all 'Meh' at the moment. LFC need to get it together in regards to how they do business.


17.) 12 Aug 2017 08:43:18
Unconcerned? Our star player wants out and will surely of caused unrest in the camp by handing in a transfer request a day before our first game, can is refusing to sign a contract, our top targets aren't for sale, we are still shockingly bad at the back, same defence as last year, Robertson will be a benchwarmer! For todays game, no coutinho, lallana, sturridge, clyne or lovren! Nothing to be concerned about hey?


18.) 12 Aug 2017 09:35:18
Liverpool should give Barcelona 48hrs to put £120 mill on the table in full payment. If they won't then there is no deal and he stays. I don't want to keep anyone who doesn't want to stay. but we must get the maximum we can in order to replace him.


19.) 12 Aug 2017 09:37:09
Do on to others?
So when we force the cash out of Barcelona you would like everyone else to do the same to us as we look for replacements?


20.) 12 Aug 2017 12:33:44
Should tell Barcelona you can have him at the end of the transfer window for 120mill and between now and then try and get someone in. I don't know if this is possible but I would tell them not to leak this to the press or the deal is off just so other clubs don't know we have 120 mill to spend so they can't inflate their prices. I personally want him gone handing in a TR 1 day before our first game and 4 days before a massive game for us. If he handed the TR in last month i would have wished him all the best but coming out with crap about doing it amicably is bullshit he wanted his 5 percent of the transfer fee.


21.) 12 Aug 2017 12:54:55
Unconcerned may have been the wrong word. I meant unconcerned as in, I don't even care the season is starting because pre season has been a let down. Maybe Depressed is a better expression.


22.) 12 Aug 2017 15:21:01
Neymar deal has put everyone's head in the clouds. Cannot believe people are calling 90 million a pitance (sorry about spelling) it's 0.1 % of Britain's debt to euro union! Coutinio is class but not the 2nd best player ever. Far from it.

That said, as we are directly affected by the neymar deal we too should see an inflated price. I like the idea of raiding PSG as they must have decent players who need selling.


23.) 12 Aug 2017 15:23:16
Easy to say "buy a top striker" but who? This could've been sorted out sooner and we could have seriously gone for lacazette. He looks great and I think we will live to regret not making it happen. Especially if arsenal finish above us.


24.) 12 Aug 2017 17:59:16
I think psg cm would be decent. I'm not completely sold on gini wijnaldum. I think he is a pussy. That's why he never scores away goals. He closed his eyes to head the ball today which led to watford equiliser. BEFORE his head made contact! I think goals against city and boro make us think he is better than he is. He's okay, part of me really likes him but I think liverpool lack metal. Imo we have 2 players with real steel in em and that's Hendo and Can. The fact I haven't added a cb in that list really highlights liverpool problem.

Successful lfc teams of the past have been full of "hard" players. Gerrard, hanman, mascherano, hypia, skrtel agger Ince souness mcman. The list goes on. People will say football has changed but chelsea were full of bruisers last year and people will always dislike getting hurt. Kieta znd van djike would certainly give us some edge. It should hurt to play liverpool.


25.) 12 Aug 2017 23:05:18
Red sky I don't want it, I fully expect everyone else to want that money cos they will and always have done.


 

 

08 Dec 2015 09:43:07
Hi eds, is someone having a laugh suggesting 18million for Rossi? Please tell me we're not interested.

WelshScouse

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool.}


1.) 08 Dec 2015 13:45:30
Someone to compete with Sturridge. For time out injured, that is.


2.) 08 Dec 2015 14:10:25
Perhaps the strategy is if we have Pato, Rossi, Sturridge in the squad we might be able to get at least one of them on the pitch between them.


3.) 09 Dec 2015 00:00:17
Will prefer drogba or ibra or eto . at least they are fit most of time.


4.) 09 Dec 2015 01:36:52
To be fair zimbo, pato has played nearly 50 games this calendar year. Least I read that. Scored 25 or so goals, don't know the exact number.


5.) 09 Dec 2015 07:59:43
Is there any hope of Ings returning this January, i am in agreement with Klop's direction, stop buying finished products, start COACHING those you have on ground and moving only those who are unteachable.

{Ed001's Note - Ings is out for the season.}


 

 

 

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06 Dec 2018 01:13:36
My view on tonight and going forward, for anyone that is interested. With mane and robbo injured, that's two key players, if we could've replaced them in the starting line up and still coped well, that says our strength in depth is better than previous seasons. When I saw all of the other changes, I did panic a little. Realistically, we didn't start well but by the time the first tactical substitute had been made, we had equalised. I was very happy to see klopp still make the same substitutes even though we had equalised, I was worried he may tell one of them to sit back down. The thing is, so many times we have thought, when city or others in previous seasons have not had it their own way, we have been envious of the quality they've brought off the bench, we were 1-1 and brought two quality, some would argue world class players off the bench and finished the game off. And they got some rest in as well. I don't agree with so many changes but it worked, we got three points and that is what we'll be judged on going forward.

Second point, everyone has argued city won't drop many points but if teams go at them, they are vulnerable. This is true but the wrong time of the season to do it. Teams set up against city for damage limitation at the moment. That's why they run riot. Getting into the last quarter of the season, with the bottom of the table likely to be close between six or seven teams, that is when teams have to throw caution to the wind and just go for it. That is where I believe city will drop points. If we can still be there or thereabouts at this time, we will stand a very good chance. Bearing in mind, even if we'd started our full strength team today, Burnley still would've had a go. If this was city tonight, you would've seen a different Burnley. They hold the rear factor and rightly so, the way they play. I'm not interested at the moment in waiting for city to drop points as I don't think it'll happen yet so all I focus on is Liverpool getting three. In the last 8-9 games of the season, when staying up is a must for some of the bottom teams, added to a possible champions League run that city may concentrate on more, I can see them dropping some, not many, but maybe enough for us to get what we've been waiting for, for so many years.

Either way, we've started brilliantly, we haven't hit maximum potential as yet and we've at got players who are only now beginning to find their game at Liverpool. Oh, and if I didn't mention it, we're in second place and two points behind one of the best teams in the world. A lot to be positive about right now and I will continue to be optimistic and enjoy what we're achieving at the moment as I strongly believe, there's a lot more to come from us.

Have a good evening everyone, another three points bagged and here's to many more.

WelshScouse

1.) 06 Dec 2018 03:41:34
Here here!


2.) 06 Dec 2018 07:14:42
2 players I would not like to have to replace are Van Dijk and Alisson.


3.) 06 Dec 2018 10:06:45
Is there a better defender than him in the division?


4.) 06 Dec 2018 13:58:49
Random Red not too many better defender may be even in the world.


 

 

06 Nov 2018 14:34:53
Adam Lewis just scored an absolute beauty of a free kick for the under 19's against red star. Liverpool 2-0 up.

WelshScouse

1.) 06 Nov 2018 20:21:45
some good news, he seems to be upping his game .


 

 

19 Oct 2018 18:43:19
Not specifically Liverpool related but a discussion we were having in the pub earlier regarding contracts. Do you think it would make it more interesting if a player has to play the length of their contract. They can't be offered an extension by their current club, no one can bid for them but in the last month of their contracts they can listen to offers from both their current team and other teams. It was such an interesting debate that I thought I would bring it on here. It would certainly be entertaining in their last month and no drama throughout the contract so I'm for it in that sense, but players don't settle straight away, whether it be location, don't gel with the other players so I'm against it for that, but the more I think about it, the more I'm conflicted about the idea, just wanted to know what others think.

WelshScouse

1.) 19 Oct 2018 19:55:34
No way. Some players never get used to some styles, some players never hit the expectations and they will be stuck for years in a club they don't play. Aswell some people don't get on and they will be stuck tigether aswell. One big NO from me.


2.) 19 Oct 2018 19:53:08
I see what you mean Welsh, it is a decent theory, it would work and it would have a subtle change on football that would completely change the feel of transfer season as most contracts run until the summer.

But;

I quite like the transfer season, it is mental, everyday we are full of hope as we chase players, are linked with top stars and sign underwhelming players. Near on everybody didn't want AOC but now we love him. I wish he was available for selection, I think fekir was an Ox replacement. We need that driving forward, milner and Keita have a good go but the ox has quick feet and good end product. I think mo salah is missing him big time.

At the end of the day, we don't want players who don't want to be here. They seem to develop bad backs.

Footballers are the modern day circus. These kids leave home at 12 and never really settle in one place. They are constantly travelling with the circus from match to match. Let's not make them prisoners.


3.) 19 Oct 2018 20:50:11
There are so many other ways the transfer market reforming other than this.


4.) 19 Oct 2018 21:27:06
What happens when a club sacks Sam Allardyce and brings in Marco Silva? You’re stuck with hoof-ball players on a 5 year contract under a manager who wants football players. Daft idea that could never work.

{Ed025's Note - or you could end end up with 10 jordan hendersons KK....where the ball would never cross the half way line...what a nightmare!!..


5.) 19 Oct 2018 22:16:33
Think you would see a lot more 1 or 2 year deals. Also if I was a player I wouldn't want that kind restriction.


6.) 19 Oct 2018 22:41:43
I think you would see a lot of 12 month rolling contracts which would lead to player be more transient. The club have a lot less assets but maybe it would be a good thing for football.


7.) 20 Oct 2018 09:45:29
Appreciate the replies, I wasn't saying I'm behind this idea in any way, I just thought it was an interesting subject. I could see the loan market going through the roof if this were to happen, I also think the youth may get more of a chance if players don't settle. I personally think it's a bad idea but still thoughtful to discuss.


8.) 20 Oct 2018 11:42:25
There is potential in it as an idea, but you would end up with loads of players on 1 year deals, particularly in the lower leagues (which most do anyway) as managers come and go like the rain in Manchester.
What you would probably also see is the money spent on transfer fees going on Agents fees and signing on fees as high profile players would command a figure to sign at new clubs/ re-sign for their current club and clubs would have to pay it.
I don’t see the likes of the big 6, Real/ Barca, Bayern etc. being happy not having the top players on long term deals, so it’s not likely to ever happen.


 

 

04 Sep 2018 15:20:40
Question for everyone, which signing or youth player do you really wish it worked out for at Liverpool.

I'd go for Rickie Lambert for senior player, he wasn't the type of player we needed but it was his boyhood dream and it would've been brilliant to see him have a couple of successful seasons with us.

Youth player I'd go with Coady, he was touted as the player to succeed Gerrard but for one reason or another, he kind of stalled at some point and it just didn't happen for him.

Would be interested in Ed01 opinion and anyone elses as well.

WelshScouse

{Ed001's Note - totally agree on Lambert but I would go with Suso as the young player


1.) 04 Sep 2018 15:52:58
Joe Cole was one for me, it was definitely a mistake to sign him given his injury record but what a signing he could have been.

For young player I agree with Ed of Suso, I also was a big fan of Martin Kelly when he first came through.


2.) 04 Sep 2018 15:53:05
I had hoped Morientes worked for us. Youth player can't see past Suso. Happy to see him progressing well at Milan though. But would for us to sign him back.


3.) 04 Sep 2018 16:08:34
I would have liked Martin Kelly to have made it with us. I just liked his style and determination. Flanagan would have been a second choice, but after later events, I am happy the club separated itself from such neanderthals.


4.) 04 Sep 2018 16:17:35
Balotelli for me. Yeah, yeah i know. Spare me me the ridicule. I always saw him as the next Zlatan

Academy grad for me would be Suso.
I had the highest hopes for Pacheco and Jordan Ibe too.


5.) 04 Sep 2018 16:21:18
I know he never really proved himself but I really wanted João Carlos Teixeira to make the big time. Wish Jari Litmanen came to us when he was younger as he really did have fantastic vision.


6.) 04 Sep 2018 16:22:58
Danny Ings
Youth player- Jordan Ibe.


7.) 04 Sep 2018 16:34:07
Shelvey and rossiter.


8.) 04 Sep 2018 16:38:57
Rickie Lambert is a great shout, he’d probably be my choice. Though Ings is another one.

Of the young players, Suso is a good choice because he might well of made it had it not been for poor management. I think I’d go for Jordan Rossiter though, local lad and had it not been for injuries who knows what might have happened.


9.) 04 Sep 2018 16:42:49
Cornishmendoitdrekly, Jari Litmanen also had an amazing first touch. I remember him once killing a fast moving pass in mid air, dead in the air and then to the ground in the penalty area. I'd have loved him to have come a couple of years earlier while still in his prime. To his credit though, didn't he play for Finland until he was something like 41?

Youth player, I know it's a current one, but I really wish Ojo had have kicked on more. He reminded me so much of John Barnes.

A youth player in the past, Neil Mellor. Purely for that goal he scored against Arsenal. It would have been great if he showed that quality week in week out.


10.) 04 Sep 2018 17:32:11
Litmanen and Suso for me.


11.) 04 Sep 2018 17:59:54
Can I bend the rules slightly and pick David Silva? I really wish the DEAL had worked out. I am fairly confident we'd have a few league titles if we'd got that deal done.

Young player has to be a combined trio of Amoo, Ngoo, and N'Gog. No other reason than because it would've been a commentators nightmare.


12.) 04 Sep 2018 18:04:13
Stan Collymore
Lee Jones.


13.) 04 Sep 2018 18:06:10
Mark Kennedy
Pacheco.


14.) 04 Sep 2018 18:10:56
Spot on, MK on the commentators' nightmare tip, lol. As for me, it would be Suso as the young player. BR messed that up (shocking, I know) big time. As for a signing that I wished worked out, I would pick Morientes. Had been a HUGE fan of his since his Real Zaragoza days (WAY before his move to RM) . It was just a shame that he maybe came to us a year or two too late. He was a true finisher and very elegant footballer.


15.) 04 Sep 2018 18:47:03
D. Cisse - was so excited when we got him. Think he did better than h is remembered for and obviously those leg breaks curtailed his career.

For youth - I hoped Pacheco would turn into something special!


16.) 04 Sep 2018 19:08:27
I wish Robbie Keane had had a quick start. Got some confidence and scored some goals. Not sure about him as a person but is Ireland all time top goal scorer and was wicked for spurs.

The youngster? Suso is a good shout. Danny pacheco for me I think.


17.) 04 Sep 2018 19:21:18
Jari Litmanen in his prime and Danny Ayala .


18.) 04 Sep 2018 19:44:13
Litmanen is a good one liver_la. I thought he played some good games for us. He was right at the end of his career. Houllier was clever that way, with age comes experience. Gary mac was brilliant for us.

But it meant we never saw the best of Litmanen. Should have signed him 10 years earlier. Had amazing vision and skill.


19.) 04 Sep 2018 20:04:34
For me has to be Aquilani. We'd had a great season in 08/ 09 and were massively tipped for the title. Was gutted when Alonso left and was desperate for Aquilani to ease the pain (really didn't happen)

Youth player - Adam Morgan. Scored a lot of goals in the youth team and actually got some first team appearances. Has massively plummeted since then unfortunately.


20.) 04 Sep 2018 20:33:36
Senior player has to be Rickie Lambert - as per the OP. Did you see his face when he first scored for us and ran into the crowd?!

Youth has to be that young guy Coutinho. Shame he didn't stick around into his prime.


21.) 04 Sep 2018 20:34:21
Yeah, good shout randomred.


22.) 04 Sep 2018 20:53:31
Mono Sisdoko
Thought he had massive potential- could have been our Vieira.


23.) 04 Sep 2018 21:33:13
I know it’s a bone of contention but I’m not sure how Rodgers was to blame for Suso’s departure?
I’d agree with the shout for Ibe though, he looked like he was the real deal. Quick, strong.
I’d add Brad Jones too, I thought he could have been a cracking quick left sided player.
It was a real disappointment when both of them left the club.


24.) 04 Sep 2018 21:38:06
Senior - harry kewell
Youngster - ryan babel.


25.) 04 Sep 2018 21:46:13
Or should I say Brad Smith, lol.


26.) 04 Sep 2018 22:06:58
Youngster for me would have to be Suso, for senior I would go for Chris Kirkland, fantastic potential for a young keeper, kept Magnus Hedman on the bench at Coventry. Could have been good for us if he hadn’t been so unlucky with injuries.


27.) 04 Sep 2018 22:15:37
Agree on Harry Kewell without injuries he would of been class!

Youngster has to be Dani Pacheco always hoped he’d make it!


28.) 04 Sep 2018 22:41:11
Good thread welsh,

2 players now at different seaside locations

Danny ings- Southampton
Ryan Mcglaughlin- Blackpool

Ryan being the best player I’ve seen playing youth level football since lfc-tv has been available.


YNWA.


29.) 04 Sep 2018 22:41:51
For me i wish rob jones could have stayed injury free.

Youngster would be adam morgan. Had hopes of him being the next fowler.


30.) 04 Sep 2018 22:57:18
Anelka for me. Was gutted when we never bought him after his loan deal!
Youngster- Suso is obvious one so much talent and ability. Must admit i liked watching Ibe in the youth teams.


31.) 04 Sep 2018 23:36:58
Robbie Keane.


32.) 05 Sep 2018 00:17:18
Ah this is a really difficult one, the youth player isn't too hard to choose imo, because I agree it has to be Suso, why? because he was capable and deserved his chances, unfortunately he didn't get it, the lad was quality and could've still been here now if he'd of got his chance, it's a real shame, I followed him for quite a while and was gutted he went.

The senior player is the more difficult one because I could probably name 20+ players but I'll go with the most recent to make it easier. Ings, he was just so unlucky but that can happen to any player, unfortunately for Ings it happened to him. His injuries ruined his career with Liverpool and I'm gutted about that, I think if he'd of stayed fit he'd of done really well here.

Good thread :) .


33.) 05 Sep 2018 01:06:11
Youth player wise I am still hoping for Harry Wilson and Rhian Brewster to come through, as they are probably the players iv been most hopeful about coming through. Of those that didn’t make it yeah as above Suso is he one I could never fathom why he didn’t play more. Gutted he’s not with us. Senior player wise I was pretty disappointed Aspas did so little when he seemed to have everything we needed, and has gone on to prove he is a good player elsewhere. Shame it didn’t work for him.


34.) 05 Sep 2018 02:30:24
Senior player is Lambert. but I'll pick a forgotten lad for the youngster. Lee Jones back in 92 - had great potential but injury messed up everything for the lad. goes to show what a tightrope these lads walk in professional football.

{Ed001's Note - great potential? I remember watching him as a kid, he wasn't all that. His first touch was poor, he just had pace. Other than that he was exceedingly average. There was never any potential there with him, sadly.}


35.) 05 Sep 2018 03:34:15
Danny Ings
Ryan Babel.


36.) 05 Sep 2018 06:57:55
Daniel Agger, I still can't believe we sold him. i know most would say he worked out well and is a club legend. But for me he should have been more. I can't believe he didn't get to work with Klopp at all. It was a personal tragedy when my favorite player was sold. He should have been with us even today.
for youth player like most it has to be Suso.


 

 

21 Aug 2018 14:34:14
Ed01 if you're around, i read your match report and where lallana is concerned, completely agree, he had a really good season for us a couple of years back and has looked off the pace ever since, I don't see how he is above a lot of our reserves at present, do you believe he can recapture his form of a few years back, I would personally like to see him resurrect his career in a mid table team and give more game time to others. He seems to be a nice enough lad around the squad but with the improvements we've made, I just seem to have a bad feeling every time he comes on as a sub, it seems our attacking game breaks down and he doesn't offer much in his defensive game. Also, do you feel Klopp see's something we don't as Klopp seems to be a big fan.

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{Ed001's Note - no, I would get rid because I am sick of his pronouncements to the press about what he is going to do. They are always followed up by him playing crap for a while. He needs to shut up.}


1.) 21 Aug 2018 14:56:12
He does seem to love to see his words in print.

{Ed001's Note - it drives me mad, never talk about what you will do, talk about what you have done. If you haven't done anything, then keep it shut. He never stops jabbering on. He should let his football do the talking for him, because he has the talent to do so.}


2.) 21 Aug 2018 15:10:31
Don't under estimate lallana. I don't know what he is saying to the press. But I agree he needs to shut up and focus on his game. He is now fully fit and a decent player to bring on. He had no effect on the cl final but he was way off match sharpness.

He has had much more than 1 good season and when he came on yesterday we didn't suddenly get worse. We even scored. He has something different to a lot of players. He can go round a man and is an intelligent player. I hope the ox is not going to be forgotten the way Lallana has been forgotton. Klopp is not playing him out of charity. Reserve player? Based on what? A few below fitness level performances.

He has been a match winner for us many times and has played for England a lot. We have a lot of games this year and are going to need all our experienced players.


3.) 21 Aug 2018 15:26:19
Given he’s player that relies so heavily on movement and interlinking play, he really needs be playing regularly with the team to build intuitive relationships and be at his most effective IMO (otherwise be just holds the ball way too long while he figures out where everyone is) . The problem is I’m not sure he’s not good enough to to be a guaranteed starter anymore, and I’d much rather see Shaqiri off the bench so agree with you Ed.

The awful mouthing off to the press is so annoying as well. No need to speak about what you’re going to do before you’ve done it.


4.) 21 Aug 2018 15:47:32
Shaqiri has played 2 friendlies, lallana got us into the champions league. I know what you mean about him needing to build intuitive relationships with the players around him but players don't just play one match a week, they train together all week.

The level at Liverpool has definitely gone up and I still think lallana is good enough.


5.) 21 Aug 2018 16:07:33
Robbie, agree 100%! Short memories on here sometimes. Lallana has given this club a lot. He has a contract with the club which he will honour and continue to give us all as he has done since he joined.

A big favourite of Klopps and the boys too. A very good player t be bringing on off the bench at present.

{Ed0333's Note - Quantify exactly what Lalana has ‘given’ this club please?


6.) 21 Aug 2018 16:23:26
Everything needs to be seen within context. Lallana was an important player for Southampton for that particular team, as he was for our team during Klopp's first year. My recollection of him for that season is made up mostly of pressing effectively but blunting most attacks with countless Cruyff turns and dilly-dallying with the ball (hardly what you want from your AM is it? ) . That season you would read the words "headless chicken" almost daily over here (in regards to either him or Milner or both) . I don't doubt his effort, nor his work rate, but the team has evolved and moved on. I have nothing agianst him, and I am sure he is a thorough professional, but I don't see the place he has in this particular team, in LFC's current context.

As far as the OX is concerned, I think LFC fans have to be given more credit than that. He turned many doubters into believers and he is genuinely well liked (my opinion based on what i read on these pages) . And if he continues giving his all after he comes back, then i don't see why he will be forgotten. Look at how well Danny Ings was treated by LFC fans. The man did not even start 10 first team games in his 3 years with us, but everyone had nothing but sympathy and gratitude for his efforts. I see no reason the Ox will be treated differently. And Ox is different from Lallana simply because he fits in within the current context, while I believe Lallana does not. If you can't see how Ox's direct style of play fits in so much better than Lallana's indecisive doodling with the ball, not much I can say.


7.) 21 Aug 2018 16:32:35
I am surpised shaq wasnt given an opportunity yesterday.


8.) 21 Aug 2018 16:39:00
I’d rather give any chances to Shaqiri as he hasn’t had a fair shot yet - course he hasn’t it’s only been two games - my point being is Lallana has had years and produced half a season, Shaqiri can produce more if given game time.
I hope he doesn’t get pissed off before we get busy and still puts in effort.


9.) 21 Aug 2018 16:39:54
I think he is a good option when a team is trying to park the bus and you'll have a lot of the ball around there box

In these situations he is defentily better then wijnaldum who likes to play sideways passes

And I think teams will try sit back a lot this season.


10.) 21 Aug 2018 17:00:59
Ar ay, lallana doesn't seem to fit in with the context for this Liverpool side because he has been out for a long time with injury and we have not seen him at his best for well over a year.

The ox's brilliant performances are still fresh in the memory but Adam lallana was probably playing better before his injury than the ox was before his. Lallana is a classic klopp type player so how he doesn't "fit in with the context" I don't understand.

Once we have a brilliant season, sadly without Alex, maybe challenging for the league, maybe winning it, after a season of blistering performances from keita, fabhino, Henderson, maybe lallana then the same comment about context and lallana will be applied to the ox. We will have moved on.

Now I firmly believe the ox will be back, starting games for Liverpool. I was glad when we signed him, and he was better than expected and I think he has the ability to come back. It won't happen straight away, he will need to build his match fitness. I also think lallana will get back to starting games for Liverpool and playing well. I'd bet on it.

Lallana had three good seasons under his belt before getting injured. One brilliant season and it has all been forgotten. He is a reserve player in some people's minds. The ox had a really good half season and I think it will be forgotten. You can't say you don't forget as that is the nature of forgetting. You don't choose to and you can't predict it. You can have an opinion based on other cases, such as lallana being forgotten and predict the same will happen to the current acm who is out with a serious injury, aoc.

I hope lallana proves his doubters wrong and I hope the ox gets back quickly and comes back strong. Because they are Liverpool players and i love Liverpool and want them to do well.

That said, lallana needs to do his talking on the pitch. Prove it.


11.) 21 Aug 2018 17:07:49
Perfect summary ArAy. Lallana is a decent player and he did a crucial job for us when Klopp first came in, but we’ve evolved to a much more direct style of play and I think Ox is the future along with Keita.


12.) 21 Aug 2018 17:16:32
And Danny ings is different. He joined after a great season with Burnley and barely kicked a ball before suffering an awful injury, then it happened again. You'd need a Stone heart not feel for the lad.

But at the end of the day we sold him. (and he looks amazing, better than I ever thought he was)

I'm not slating Liverpool fans, most haven't forgotten lallana. All fans are the same, from all teams, especially the younger fans, it's the instant gratification culture, it breeds short memories.


13.) 21 Aug 2018 17:21:38
Liverpool are direct on the counter but we are far from just a counter attacking team. Lallana has a part to play, he has the ability to open up defences.

In a team you don't have just one type of player of course. Nor two types or three. Lallana has a quality to his game. He is a fantastic player.


14.) 21 Aug 2018 19:36:25
He is far from a fantastic player. Last night he was in 20 yards of pass and should of driven forward, but instead does what he always does a turn and pass it square. He is offering nothing at the moment.


15.) 21 Aug 2018 19:46:18
Robbie, Lallana has always had a gob on him. The lad with his talent, should be bossing guys in midfield. Why? My dad (ex-footballer at a decent amateur level) used to tell me that a two footed player is the MOST dangerous player on the pitch cos he is the MOST unpredictable. Lallana is way too talented due to him being two-footed BUGT he seems to just talk much more than he plays. Lallana again, should just shut his trap and get it done where it matters, ON THE PITCH.

You say people have short memories cos we are slating him while forgetting that he contributed to us getting in to the CL THREE seasons ago. That makes no sense. News Flash: We are WAY ahead of that LFC team and btw he was NOT the only one who did his part. Bobbie, Hendo, Cou, Can, Wiji, even Migs and of course, Mane did their bits as well.

Now look at what Mane, Wiji, Hendo, and Bobbie have become now esp. Bobbie and Mane now bordering on world class and Hendo becoming a true leader of men. They are much better players than they were back then. Maybe if Lallana could just shut his gob for 5 seconds and focuses on his job instead of talking about what he will do on the pitch (we don't really know cos he NEVER plays), he would prolly improve himself like the others have.

{Ed0333's Note - fabulous post that mate. I was outraged when Lalana played before shaquiri or Sturridge but we trust in Klopp. Hopefully he let him have a few minutes so clubs realize he’s actually fit and put in a bid for him.


16.) 21 Aug 2018 20:12:44
Yeah good post, but it wasn't 3 years ago it was the season before last. Lallana has offered nothing lately I agree but it's been two matches and he didn't start either. I think he will get there. The team has moved on of course but lallana wasn't dropped because he wasn't good enough, he was injured. Judging him on his performances since his injury isn't a fair shout as he hasn't been fit. That isn't an excuse it's a fact.

He was one of our best players before his injury and I think that has to come into consideration.


17.) 21 Aug 2018 20:59:24
Robbie, I meant to say 2 seasons ago BUT notwithstanding, look at how far we and the players I mentioned have come. I agree that he has been injured HOWEVER players coming off an injury mostly focus on getting back to where they were instead of mouthing off to the media about what they would do when they play (we don't see it cos he does not play) .

The fact of the matter is that Lallana needs to keep his head down, get better on the pitch and do his talking there cos mind you, this is NOT 16/ 17 where we did not know if we could get top 4 or not. This is 18/ 19 where many are expecting LFC to get at City and the LFC team he flourished in NO LONGER EXISTS. The team we have now is on another planet in comparison (even tho several players from that team are in this one BUT have UPPED their game) and he had better shut his mouth, UP his game and get with the NEW programme OR be left in the dust. It's his choice.


18.) 21 Aug 2018 21:13:19
Lallana was at his best just before he got injured. Couldn't agree more Eds1 in fact I think my Mrs has an illness called Lallana syndrome where she talks what she is going to do but n never does it, harsh I know.


19.) 21 Aug 2018 22:08:07
I totally agree brover. I'm pretty sure no one give a solitary f##k what lallana says if he isn't playing well. We don't want to hear it, we want the form of early 16/ 17 season back.

If he can get back to that level he definitely has something to offer this team. He's good at nicking the ball but in recent performances, once he has nicked it he is just playing a safe square pass. When one of his biggest assets in this klopp team is the ability to nick the ball and start an attack.

I also think he is at that age where the legs just start to show the first signs of slipping. Pace was never his game but it must effect his game. He can beat players. I think he may have to readjust a little.

Look, I don't think he is the saviour of Liverpool or anything. But comments like "lallana is at reserve level" are just not true. I think he plays better when he starts. He is good at the explosive starts klopp demands. I don't think he is an impact player, but that's really only based on his performances since the injury as he was nearly always a starter before.


20.) 22 Aug 2018 00:33:02
Robbie I don't know what lallana your talking about because the Lapland that's playing now is too slow holds the ball for too long and tries too many touches. Our game has moved on from there it's too fast for him, he doesn't suit our game game now were are now one touch football and direct. We now have better players on the bench shaquiri, sturridge, even hendo who are more direct. I think he need to be moved on for the sake of his career because it after stagnating now. It's only my opinion if he stays u will support him if he goes best of luck to him .

{Ed0333's Note - who will pay good money for a 30 year plus injury prone player whose on a downward trajectoary?


21.) 22 Aug 2018 02:38:21
I think lovren does thensame and we kinda usually loose after lovren says something like we can win, we are not afraid of anyone etc😅😅.


22.) 22 Aug 2018 08:43:43
Lallana has basically been left standing whilst the squad has evolved and improved. He was a better player at the beginning of Klopp's tenure - that may of been down to the lack of quality in the squad at that time making him look good, he may have simply been a better player at that time - but there is no doubt that, at this moment in time, he is not really good enough. The fact he loves talking himself up to the press is an added annoyance but I could take that if he was putting in consistently good performances. I suspect he may have been shipped out already had it not been for the severity of Oxlaide's injury.


23.) 22 Aug 2018 10:49:58
Ed033 fortunately I’m not in to discarding players at the drop of a hat.

Quantify what he has given the club?

Years of service as a player with no trouble, scored goals, created chances, pressed well and worked hard even in the Rodgers days.

He trains hard and well (not many players do), great member of the squad who all the staff and players get on with.

Good technical player, who (bar man city) is one of the best midfield players coming off bench in the premier league as a subsotute right now so has an important role still to play.

Persoanlly I don’t buy into this discarding of players mentality that some have. Lalllana is still coming back from an injury heavy season last year and obviously in Klopps opinion deserves to be given game time (hence his choice) .

Shaqiri is the new shiny toy.

That’s my view.

{Ed0333's Note - I appreciate your sentiments but don’t concur mate. Just because he trains hard, has not given us any trouble doesn’t mean he should be in the squad. I feel lalanna is not suited to our system and we can’t afford any passengers. I’m not even sure the last time he pressed, scored a goal or created a chance. I would give lalanas place to Curtis Jones as I feel he is just as good momentarily.


 

 

 

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Ck14,i wasn't suggesting for one second it was feasible, more just getting views, I'm in agreement with you Ron that I would rather let him go and play someone 100% dedicated in his position so it wasn't me saying I hope this happens, it was only because it was mentioned earlier I wanted to see if this was offered, who would take it?

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I really hope he is not going to be rushed back early to try and relieve some pressure from Brendan on the hope he has a stormer and scores the winner, because if he is rushed back early, it will be more than likely he will pick up an injury in the warm up and be out until after christmas

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That Crouch story is hilarious, and something you can completely visualise him doing haha, thenks for that Ed.

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26 Oct 2018 11:22:55
I personally don't think he has the quick thinking to play quick, one touch, link up play to fit into our front three. Even if he ups his work ethic, the way we opened teams up last year, and also on Wednesday night, was very fast movement between our front three. When you look and think that mane has probably the heaviest touch of our front three so sometimes has to work harder to regain close control, even he is miles ahead of Martial in that area of the game. The only way he would work at Liverpool is if we brought him on as a sub with the view of tactically changing our attacking game if plan A wasn't working for whatever reason but we already have players we can do that with and youth that are coming through already playing our style of play. I do rate him, he's just not what we need.

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{Ed001's Note - good assessment WS.}