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05 Oct 2017 15:04:04
Had Gerrard made that pass for the Newcastle goal it would have been referred to as a 'World Class defence-splitting pass'. Because the defenders were Liverpool everyone is looking for an excuse for blame. The fact is that Matip realised that there was a mistake and got back to correct it. He was extremely unlucky to play the ball against the attacker's shin. Joselu knew nothing about and scored the luckiest goal that he will ever score and let's face he doesn't score many. It may have been lucky but it still counts for as much as the brilliant goal from Coutinho. Sometimes football isn't fair.

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1.) 05 Oct 2017 18:19:26
Oh come on ben you know that isn't true. Matip did well to get back true but there was no way that you can say it's okay for that line to be doing anything but dropping back when that ball is it. It's a defensive error, and a bad one when we were under absolutely no pressure whatsoever. The ball was well hit, pin point accuracy but that does not mean it should have done the damage it did.


2.) 05 Oct 2017 18:36:55
Well they could have stepped forward and played him offside?


3.) 05 Oct 2017 19:48:20
Spot on, Hijkle and Ron. Ben, fact of the matter is that both CB's were not just ball watching, they seemed to be match watching. They were busy watching the game the same way we as fans, watch games and completely forgot they were IN the game as they had no clue where Joselu was and the space btw them was like a gulf. If not, how can one explain how when Shelvey picked up the ball, everyone in the stadium and at home knew the pass was coming YET our CB's were nowhere to be found. They don't play the offside nor drop deep. They just stand there on their heels like tourists.

Matip did get back which is an improvement in itself as Ed01 and many others have been roasting him for being lazy in this regard BUT it should never have come to that as Newcastle of NO danger to us until injury time where Diame almost scored. This is why Klopp is losing his mind on the touch line.


4.) 06 Oct 2017 10:48:47
As soon as Shelvey gets the ball the centrebacks should have reacted. If you watch the goal again they're square on and not on the half turn, they're static and they're too far apart. The same was true for one of the city goals. Yes coaching can address this, but they're experienced players and not youngsters so they should know this already. It was a decent run and good pass, but the defending was dreadful.


5.) 08 Oct 2017 04:44:54
Have you guys ever asked why it was so easy to get through. I replayed that goal over and over again. We were playing high up and our defensive midfielder was nowhere to block that guys "sublime" pass. Everyone wants to just put the defenders down but never look to the DM he needs to cover when the wing backs push forward. He can't wander off and get in on the action. He must play his role.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter about that, if the defence are not reacting to the loss of the ball by getting closer and dropping off, then we are always going to lose silly goals. Yes the midfield should have been in and around him, but that does not excuse how bad the defenders did.}


 

 

25 Sep 2017 11:02:03
I sent in a post last week about "pundits" but it wasn't published. I think that I forgot to mention Garth Crook who is probably the worst of the lot. In his team of the week today he has Mignolet in goal and made the comment that Liverpool didn't deserve to win. He is wrong on both counts. Another thing I spotted in the match was that there was no comment about the free-kick leading up to the first goal and a booking for Matip. Vardy hooked his foot around Matip and then fell. This constitutes a dive and both decisions regarding the free-kick should have been reversed. But Vardy is one of the players who gets away with things. In my opinion he is just a face looking for a slap!

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1.) 25 Sep 2017 11:29:01
I'm so mad at Mignolet for not cleaning Vardy out on that Penalty decision. If he wants to kick that, he should've put the ball into Row Z, and Vardy into the floor. Grobelaar would have gone in face first, held the ball, and still broken the attackers knees.

Vardy was playing dirty games all day, and Mignolet had a chance at check mate, but bottled it.

Disgusting though when you think that 3 of our defenders got booked. Matip for getting kicked for a blatant dive, Lovren for getting hip thrown at a corner, and Gomez for getting elbowed in the face! Meanwhile Vardy got away with countless late tackles, dives, at least 2 counts of dangerous play, and deliberately bashing into Moreno off the ball after leaving studs on him! Vardy is lucky Moreno is made of tougher stuff than most, because if he'd gone down holding his face, it could've been different.

I second what Ron said. I hope Leicester go down and take Vardy with them.


2.) 25 Sep 2017 11:32:34
Couldn't agree more, Ben. Don't know Crooks that much but if he indeed said what you say he said, then I'm okay not knowing who he is as his love in for Mings is creepy and saying that we did not deserve the win after dominating scoring three goals on the road, is just bizarre.

I do agree that Vardy is just DF. The dive he did to draw the foul on Matip is the same type dive he did multiple times when LC won the title to get penalties and the only ref he did not fool was John Moss vs WH who saw throuh his crap an booked him a second time hence, sending him off.

Also, his two late challenges on Moreno should have been enough for two bookings and a red already BUT we all know how crap Taylor was so no point talking too much about that.


3.) 25 Sep 2017 11:36:36
Matip would never ever beat vardy on pace! If not that incident he was always going to get a penalty

Remember Sturridge dive against UTD to get vidic sent off๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„. Those biased rose tinted glass. Move on mate. We won and who cares about rest!


4.) 25 Sep 2017 11:48:27
Good stuff harry, should rename yourself the contrarian.

Taylor had an absolute mare but I'm sure we'll get a game where most of the calls go our way. Swings and roundabouts lads.


5.) 25 Sep 2017 11:49:17
Harry you just be a United fan to remember something like that! Vidic hasn't played at United for years and i don't ever remember Sturridge diving. I remember a debate about it once when his trailing heel was clearly clipped, and all the sofa experts who have never been able to run quicker than 5mph lost their minds due to a complete lack of understanding about how easy it is to be tripped at speed. But that is about it.

Suarez certainly did dive though, and we all lambasted him for it as he constantly embarrassed the club. So why should we let Vardy off for embarrassing Leicester? They want to improve their status in European football, yet they continue to sign brutes, and employ violent and barbaric tactics. It's no wonder players like Mahrez and Kante want to leave. They're just a bunch of thugs.


6.) 25 Sep 2017 12:45:29
Thing is, pundits are entitled to their opinion and lots of times it's framed to be more controversial so it creates debate.
It would be easy to have De Gea in goal every week, but they have to keep themselves (mildly) interesting.


7.) 25 Sep 2017 13:15:04
Crooks fails to make himself interesting each and every week Ron, he's a total embarrassment.


8.) 25 Sep 2017 14:14:31
Ron he could've picked Lossl? He kept a clean sheet and made a few saves. Mignolet made a couple of easy saves but gave away stupid corners trying to make them camera worthy, gifted the opposition 2 goals, gave away a penalty which i could've saved etc. The only thing which was unusually above average about his performance was his kicking. Aside from that it was the worst goal keeping performance I've seen since god knows when. Oh yeah, since Mignolet played against Man City!

Crooks has clearly just heard Mignolet saved a penalty to keep it at 2-3 and put him in just because of that.


9.) 25 Sep 2017 14:17:42
Diving, whether people like it or not, remains part of the game. the way vardy throws himself around to leave something on a player and attempt to con the officials is what irritates me personally.


10.) 25 Sep 2017 13:54:19
sorry ron i don't think most pundits do have an opinion of their own i think they tread the company line just like when the controversy with neville and arsenaltv his answer was my bosses sky are loving me now there name is all over the place.


11.) 25 Sep 2017 20:09:19
Ron you do know that Sly pundits are given a script on what they should say about what team, manager or player, right? So NO, pundits do not have an opinion for the most part as they say some of the dumbest things that beggar belief. Ron, you would make a brilliant pundit except you are given a script of what narrative to peddle and then, you would be just like them at Sky, at least.


12.) 26 Sep 2017 15:41:38
Ok so the BBC want Mignolet in goal.

I really can't see what the BBC's agenda is with our goalkeeping situation. ๐Ÿ˜„.


 

 

03 Sep 2017 14:21:23
Everyone is criticising Coutinho for his actions. But while all this is going on another is sneaking under the radar - Emre Can. He is refusing to sign a new contract - one of the excuses being that he needs more playing time. He played in 40 out of 47 last season and 129 in 3 seasons and is a regular this season. We all agree that he is going to be a great player but sadly that is going to be with Juventus. It is obvious that this has already been (illegally) arranged and I believe that he is also going to receive a massive signing-on fee. Let's face it - Juventus will have a lot of money over that they would normally pay for the transfer - I believe the current value of Can is around 23 million and will probably be more at the end of the season. I personally would let Can si ton the bench for every match from now on. As there is a major tournament coming up next year he will want to represent Germany and to do he has to play. I want him to play for Liverpool - not Juventus and Germany. Perhaps this will help him to change his mind - although I doubt it. I believe that when Coutinho returns he will be fully committed and this is the sort of player that we want .

ben de weer

1.) 03 Sep 2017 14:39:00
I rate him at much more than ยฃ23.000.000. I would say ยฃ40/ 45.000.000 easy. It is a tough situation but look, we have Hendo lallana wijnaldum Milner coutinio ox and next season we will have kieta. I think there is some truth in the opinion that he has already made his mind up, he was quite negative about our 4.2 win over hoffenhiem. We have kieta coming in so it's not as big a problem as it could be. I would like us to offer him what he wants though as he is going to be massive.


2.) 03 Sep 2017 14:44:39
So has can looked anything other than committed so far this season?

What an asurb comment.

Can is out of contract next summer. If he would like to go play football anywhere else then that's his choice and good luck to him. Bottom line is that he fulfilled the contract he signed when he joined and had given his all in between. Can't ask for more.


3.) 03 Sep 2017 14:50:25
Did you hear hos post match interview after hoffenhiem. We won 4.2 and he was being negative. I'm not disputing him professionalism. He has given everything for the team and fulfilled his contract. There is more we can ask for him though and that is "sign a new contract"


4.) 03 Sep 2017 14:53:57
Can we please rise above emotional sentimalism? The man is going to fulfill the term and duration of a mutually agreed to contract with his employer. He's free to extend or move elsewhere if he wishes. That's the nature of the employment market, whether it's football or brick laying. It may not be getting the attention the Coutinho situation is, but maybe it's because there's nothing really nasty or unethical or whatever, that's going on? He's not morally obligated to extend or renew. Nor is the club. If an extension happens it will be because of mutual desire - player and club. Can't dance the tango by yourself, can you?

All that aside, I really hope he does stay. Can be a vital cog in our drive to win things, as a club. His importance is only growing. I just don't want to see people getting hysterical and start accusing him of things that he's not guilty of in any shape or form.


5.) 03 Sep 2017 14:55:59
Wassa-lfc.

That is the best comment I have read on this site. You are absolutely right. Can has been a great player for us and, unlike Coutinho, has made himself available for every single match even through injury. The lad should be applauded not hung out to dry. If he leaves then that is a real, real shame. But, while he was with us, he gave us nothing but 100% every time. So, if his contract does run out and he leaves then I will be very sad. But, I will say nothing but good things about him.

I hope Can stays but, with the new additions to the squad, especially Keita, it looks like we are already prepared for his leaving. Also, Can is not moving to a rival in our league (Ala Tevez) and is being eyed by a side who made it into the Champions League final and won their league. I understand why such a move would be enticing.

All we can do is hope now but, if Can does leave, then I will be the first to wish him the best and thank him for his conduct and performances while in a Liverpool shirt.

{Ed002's Note - It was terrible to see Tevez leaving Liverpool.}


6.) 03 Sep 2017 15:17:09
I too would wish him well. He gives everything for the club. He has been a model professional. I'm not knocking the lad at all. If my post came over that way I apologise. I really like him as a player and hope he stays. As a fan I would like him to sign a new contract so we a, have a great cm on the books and b, don't lose him to a ucl rival for nothing. He hasn't behaved like pc and that is commendable but the point we were talking about is "does he want to stay at liverpool" it's not wrong to have an opinion on this, and my opinion is he doesn't want to. I hope I'm wrong. He can still leave if he signs a new contract (if we allow of course) and we will make some money for the lad we've developed. The fact he hasn't signed means he can leave and we get zero while he gets massive wages and signing on fee.


7.) 03 Sep 2017 15:17:13
I never wanted to sell Tevez from my football manager team Ed002. He was demanding such a high wage though!


8.) 03 Sep 2017 15:29:52
Can is really lucky to get this many games. He is free to renew or go.

His physical growth has helped him to play more than his ability with ball or position.

Can supporters will slay here as usual but fact is he is a limited player - ability / intelligence wise.

Not sure if he will get any more or mature with age but ED's can shed light as they have seen many more before.

Othet than that he is a good professional and wish him good whereever he goes.

Cheers.


9.) 03 Sep 2017 15:40:47
Can = limited player? Sorry but I can't agree with that. He has been, along with mane, the stand out player so far this season. His size and steel is vital for our team as I think our biggest downfall is we are not physical enough. That is why he is asked to play the holding role but he can attack with the best of them. Anyone calling him limited obviously hasn't watched him play this year as he has been totally dynamic. Goal of the season last year too.

Can I ask the eds a question please? Is it common for teams and players coming to an agreement that, for example, we ask can to sign a one year extention with the understanding that we will sell if the right offer comes in (say over ยฃ30.000.000) so we get something out of selling him?

{Ed002's Note - No, why would a player sign such a deal?}


10.) 03 Sep 2017 16:33:45
Super red sorry mate but our best player as been Bobby so far he is a class above everyone else at the min.


11.) 03 Sep 2017 18:14:57
What's the big deal? If he doesn't want to sign the contract that is his choice and we should respect that.
If he wants to leave then so be it. That's the point of a contract and if you see it to its conclusion then you are free to go.
I'd rather he did that than sign a 5 yr contract and 6 months in start moaning and wanting to leave.
It's totally diffferent to Coutinho who signed a 5yr contract and now wants to leave.
If Emre chooses to move on in July then good luck to him and I thank him for his honest professionalism ๐Ÿ‘.


 

 

01 Sep 2017 07:31:29
It is as it is. Let's forget about the football and start counting the days again - only 122 to go!

ben de weer

1.) 01 Sep 2017 07:37:00
121 mate ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„.


2.) 01 Sep 2017 10:40:24
30 + 31 = 61 + 30 = 91 + 31 = 122 (mate? )


 

 

 

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29 Sep 2017 23:05:12
Having read the post from smplfc which is a little confrontational and makes that one supporter look embarrassingly stupid I wonder why you (again! ) have to tar us all with the same brush. I also think the the comment is unnecessary but then so is your comment. Why don't you just ignore the man and not use it as an excuse to attack us all?

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26 Sep 2017 19:13:38
As it stands at the moment Liverpool have a good chance of reaching the following stage. Barcelona may do so as well but would not be able to use Coutinho. It makes no sense him leaving in January but perhaps his desire to join Barcelona over-rides anything else.

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31 Aug 2017 14:27:59
Swings and roundabouts. How much was paid for Coutinho and how much for Surrey?

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23 Aug 2017 09:35:48
It is a disgrace, as is the whole situation. I personally would take the money to end the whole sad affair. If we don't they'll be back in January and then in the summer. I know that it will be seen as giving in but as we have been saying through the years no one player is bigger than the club. Sadly Coutinho is going to become the legend he wanted to be but not in a positive way. In just over a week's time we will know what players we have and can carry on in a proper and professional way. Good luck this evening.

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17 Oct 2017 21:52:07
You stick to whacking it Ed025 you're probably good at that - you have to be good at something!

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{Ed025's Note - im good at most things ben, i was descibed as ubiquitous in the liverpool pink echo many moons ago mate..


 

 

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05 Oct 2017 14:53:26
Who needs a reason? The answer is simple - BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE!

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27 Sep 2017 11:58:12
The thing is that we are making the chances. The problem would be if we weren't. Let's remember 'swings and roundabouts'. At the moment some teams are scoring with every practically shot at goal. There will be matches when they don't score. Although we don't use one full-out striker the 'Fab Four' are all capable of scoring in the same match and we will see this sooner than later. KTF.

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18 Sep 2017 11:09:24
Fred Carno would have a 'conflict of interest' as he has just joined Bitters United.

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11 Sep 2017 22:36:31
Actually it isn't an offense we can't defend. It is an offence as are most of your comments!

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