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04 Oct 2017 17:22:34
ED001, how do you know so much about the club?
I am reading your new article Former Liverpool managers part 1, and I am surprised by the vast amount of knowledge you have about every past player and manager.
How did you end up acquiring so much knowledge?

Thanks.

niinja123

{Ed001's Note - obsession I think is the answer. I just read anything and everything I can. In that case though it was a lot of research, as I knew very little about the first managers before I did the hours of reading.}


 

 

27 Sep 2017 20:09:04
Since we are on the topic of goalkeepers, I never understood why people liked to compare Buffon and Casillas.
Casillas was no way in the same league as buffon.
Buffon was probably the best keeper ever.

niinja123

1.) 27 Sep 2017 21:06:15
It's hard to argue with you on Buffon being the best, he also stuck with Juve in their times in Serie B.
Seems like a nice guy too.
Rinat Dasayev (think that's how you spell it) of the USSR was my favourite as a kid.
He wasn't so good with the ball at his feet though.
The back-pass rule in the early 90's exposed him a few times as it did a few other great keepers.


2.) 27 Sep 2017 21:13:21
OIrish, you went old school there, my friend on the Dessaev tip. GKs at the time did not need to be good with their feet as they could pick up the ball with their hands on a back pass.

Rinat Dessaev was known as the best GK in the world (the second coming of the legendary Lev Yashin) before the Euros in 1988 until Marco Van Basten took him to the cleaners with that forever legendary volley the Euro final in 1988. Great era littered w/ great players from top to bottom.


3.) 27 Sep 2017 21:38:43
I'd leave him away with the Van Basten goal, that was simply an incredible strike from one of the greatest himself.

Dasayev was badly injured against the Republic of Ireland in a game not long before that final too so he was doubtful for that final if memory serves.

He made some incredible saves against us in that match as well, one especially incredible save from Ray Houghton from about 3 yards out in fact.
Houghton played like Maradonna in that game at times.
I was only about 9, but remember it pretty well.

You'd have to put Peter Schmeichel in that argument too (best keeper of all time), what a keeper and he also played at Euro 88.


4.) 27 Sep 2017 21:44:31
By the way, that Dutch team - they were like a machine at times, absolutely unbelievable.

Yes it was a great era, and as you say, it was littered with great players before the Murdock cash came along.

Simpler times and it was a better time to be a football fan in my opinion.


5.) 27 Sep 2017 22:33:12
Oh, I missed the fact that Dessaev was injured befor the final. No wonder on the the first goal by Guillit (a canon of a header), I always thought he would/ should have saved it but there you go. Like you, I remember that Russian team as well with legends like Belanov, Dessaev, Raz and the magician Alexander Zavarov. I have chills just mentioning those names.


6.) 27 Sep 2017 23:08:26
Zavarov, yes I just about remember him. He played in that Ireland game too.
We should have beaten them, would have been in the semi finals then against Italy/ Germany.
Great memories, especially as I had a relative in that Irish squad.
Our very own version of Dasayev.


7.) 27 Sep 2017 23:02:28
Yeah Raz was a good player as was Demyanenko, Mikaelchecko, Protasov and a few others.
Yeah Tony Glavin of Spurs and Dasayev had two coming togethers in 50/ 50s right in front of goal within a few seconds of each other.
Ireland really should have gotten a penalty for one of them.
After the second one, the ball came back to Galvin who fed Aldridge on the six yard box with a fantastic curling cross and somehow he missed with the keeper out of it.
He had so much time but took it first time in the volley. Blazed it over. Dasayev was subbed immediately.
Ireland were incredible in that match, could have won by 3 or 4 goals.
Ronnie Whelan scored an incredible goal in that game as well.
Great times for Ireland, dominated by great Liverpool players.
International football is just not what it used to be.


 

 

22 Sep 2017 11:22:22
A video that talks about why henderson should be replaced:

niinja123

1.) 22 Sep 2017 12:12:03
I knew i should've stopped watching when he said Kante can't pass. What a torrid, biased, selective and shocking assessment. Uses all of his best attributes as a stick to beat him with, compares him to the best ball winner in the world as if that makes him poor, and deliberately picks out all of his worst moments, and all the best moments of others to try a force the viewer into agreeing.

Shocking video. Come to expect this from Liverpool fans nowadays though. Use your own eyes for god sake. This video proves nothing other than that a few poor excuses for supporters clearly don't have a job to keep them busy in the week.


2.) 22 Sep 2017 12:14:03
Constructive criticism

He is the reason we rely so much on Matip and Lovren to bring the ball out from the back. He has no compute to play the deeper role. Doesn't shield the defense enough not he has any ability to playmaker from the deep.

Cheers.


3.) 22 Sep 2017 12:20:17
I recognise that situation about 4 minutes and 11 seconds in and it drives me insane.
He is very self conscious and lacking in confidence big time.
Not a bad player, but in my opinion, he's not quite good enough right now at least.


4.) 22 Sep 2017 12:33:30
Looks like a video made by an amateur. Sort of unfair on Hendo but there are some points you can't ignore like bringing the ball out of defense to keep the opposition under constant pressure. Hendo's passing is a bit too safe at times and his sideways movements means Matip tends to charge out of defense to do Hendo's work for him. Someone more suited to the role would make a big difference.
Also disagree about Hendo's technique. He has a very good technique but the awareness one needs to play the DLP role unfortunately Hendo does not have.


5.) 22 Sep 2017 12:39:22
Harry that was not constructive from the first 6 minutes i watched before turning off.

All it did was slag off Lucas and Henderson for having apparently misleading stats (because you know, winning the ball back isn't a clear cut fact in this guys head), and show Henderson's worst bits vs some of the best midfielders in Europes best bits.

So what if Hendo can't tackle like Kante, dribble like Weigl, or hit a cross field pass like N'Zonzi. Not many players can. Weigl can't tackle like Kante, N'Zonzi would fall over the ball trying a turn like Weigl does regularly etc.

I could waste a day of my life doing a video with all Henderson's best bits and make him look world class. Truth is actually in between though isn't it mate.

Henderson is a very good player. Captain of club and country. Massively rated by some of the best managers in the game and massively under rated by fans who only see what the camera wants them to. He isn't world class, but he does his job effectively most weeks.

My favourite bit was when it compared the tackles made between Kante and Henderson when Liverpool played Chelsea last season, but then left out the fact that Liverpool won that game 2-1 thanks to an absolute 30 yard screamer from Henderson 😂 biased drivel that video, from start to when i decided it was time for it to finish.

There was nothing constructive about it at all. In fact this video is pretty much all the evidence needed to prove that some fans have a hate/ smear campaign against players they don't like.

And apparently Kante is a poor passer who only plays because he is good defensively 😂 Jesus. How can you take his opinion seriously after that?! Kante is one of the best passers in the league who plays because he is probably the best midfielder in the game right now!

Henderson is not the most skilful, he doesn't have the best first touch, and he doesn't play the best line splitting passes in Europe. Yeah, he probably isn't as good as Kante. But he also is no where near as bad at any of this as this video shows. It's just a biased compilation. If you can't trust this stuff to prove someone is good, then you can't trust it to prove someone is bad. This is actually bordering on bullying in my opinion. Luckily, Hendo won't care about the opinion of some sad act living with his mum.


6.) 22 Sep 2017 12:58:57
The nerve you have to post something like that. What an absolute s**t of a video! Proves about as much as any "x players skills/ goals" video where only positives are highlighted. I'm going to side with MK here, use your own eyes for crying out loud.

Why would you even start comparing Henderson to those players mentioned in that video? He's not that kind of midfielder at all, as his attributes lies a whole other place. The thing about Henderson is that he (and Can) is the best we currently have to be playing that deeper role, but currently our whole midfield is way too unorganized to defend properly.

When Henderson is played properly we all know what a good player he can be for us! It's been so visible in the past.

I agree he hasn't hit form yet this season - then again, how many has? Give it time or at least realize that it has nothing to do with the qualities of Henderson, but rather to do with not having a proper player for that position at the moment.

Absolute embarrassment of a post.


7.) 22 Sep 2017 13:46:03
Some people have short memories. Remember how good he was when we just fell short of the title? How many on here were saying he would have made the difference if he was playing at the end of that season. He's been hampered badly with injuries. For me a fit Henderson is definitely a starter. His energy and pressing is excellent. The firing squad on here isn't long changing into the brown tongue brigade once the next motm performance or the next worldie goes in.


8.) 22 Sep 2017 13:59:44
Too many hendo fans. i think his injuries are holding him back in many respects.
Not the player he was, that injury has set him back. he keeps it too simple for my liking, something joe allen was criticized for. He is not vocal either, too nice a captain. Could do with being utilized further up the pitch but way too many players there and all are better than him.
cant see him much suited to the defensive role and he won't score too many either. i would find it really hard to select him once we have both keita and lallana in the team next season. in fact when lallana is back i think hendo gets the drop.


9.) 22 Sep 2017 14:17:54
I haven't watched the video as I do not need too. I already know we need to replace him with someone better in that position. I am not saying he is a bad player but he should definitely not be relied on to protect our back four and dictate play. I actually do think with his energy and leadership with Keita they would make a great partnership in front of a proper defensive midfielder next season. Just my opinion.


10.) 22 Sep 2017 14:21:51
Twinkle

It's wrong! Hendo did not loose us the title. No one would have breached the triple decker bus parked by Jose. We lost coz Gerard slipped against Chelsea. Hendeson was a ball winner in that season and we had close to 90% against Chelsea. You clearly don't understand his role in the first place. He is a ball winner and that is exactly what highlighted in the video as he is not capable to play the deeper role! The deeper role requires many critical attributes which Henderson doesn't posses hence Dier plays that role for England and not Hendo!


11.) 22 Sep 2017 14:57:51
So when Lampard played centre mid for England, he was a better midfielderthan Gerrard? I am not saying Dier isn't better just that the England example is weak at best.


12.) 22 Sep 2017 15:01:50
Thought that video was highly selective in what clips to show, bit of a waste of time, can't say he always passes sideways and show a couple of clips doing that as proof. Lol.


13.) 22 Sep 2017 15:17:41
We lost the title against Palace.


14.) 22 Sep 2017 15:19:14
After watching that, I agree we are wasting hendo in that deep midfield role. Can should definitely play there instead as he is not afraid to take risks because he has he ability to go past a player and pass under pressure. hendo and winaldum are perfect ball winners and I like that hendo is a very unselfish player much like lallana.

In the season we came 2nd, hendo never played deep, it was always gerrard or joe allen, while they were questioned defensively, they had the ability to create from the back and relieve pressure when on the ball.

next game I would hope to see can holding with hendo and continho in front of him. Ed001 I know youve already said can should play there, but will klopp figure this out? surely he should look at the form we had at the end of last season when hendo was missing.

I feel like klopp just sees hendo as the least creative so just sticks him further back as possible.


15.) 22 Sep 2017 15:42:37
When a team is sitting deep it can be very hard to find the space to pass the ball through the defence and have enough room for the attacking player to pick the ball up and turn etc. There are a few things the attacking team can do to create space including inviting the defencive team to venture out and then win the ball and quickly turn it over before their defence can get organised again. Hendo Is a great ball winner who can pass so he is good at this. Another thing you can do is quickly switch the play from side to side, dragging the defence one way and the the other. The ball moves quicker than the man can and as you switch it left and right and left again you create bigger spaces in between the defence. It is these spaces that salah and mane and firmino attack and claim the glory while the guy who kept the ball and switched it, thus creating the space gets called a donkey on his teams banter page.

The boys have been below par for the last four games. It is shocking the way Hendo is being singled out but I guess he would rather deflect any blame on his team mates by taking it on his shoulders coz he is a good captain.


16.) 22 Sep 2017 15:56:16
Also,
While you are switching the ball from left to right and back again the opposition defence (almost without thinking) slowly gets drawn out. It takes the ability to be able to hold on to the ball while under pressure and pass it accurately to be able to do this. You have to put your head up and pick a pass while opposition players are snapping at your heals. This is very very hard to do but hdndo makes it look easy.


17.) 22 Sep 2017 16:07:36
so you want someone to pass it out the back quickly? . Well lucas did that for years and i doubt you have ever praised him. No wonder he left because of the shite tonne of abuse he got everywhere. he always looked to pass forward. Just because henderson has had a bad few games since returning from like 5 month out and suddenly you forget our 15 game run where we didn't lose one last season and he was the main midfielder in the side. absolute disgrace of a post.


18.) 22 Sep 2017 16:40:20
Good point well made nathlfc.


19.) 22 Sep 2017 17:24:37
I think that's a brilliant video. Most are just defending their opinion. I have saying that to a fellow Liverpool fan. We need someine better in that position since he came to Liverpool. He only loola good when the team is pressing hard not because of him though.


20.) 22 Sep 2017 21:36:55
Whether you guys like the video or not, next season we will have: Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum, Keita, Lallana, and Possibly Coutinho.
Now pick 3 from that lot and see if Henderson can make into your playing 11.


21.) 22 Sep 2017 22:41:09
I think it's an idiotic video. You could take clips from any player in the world and make them look either rubbish or brilliant depending on the point you were trying to prove.


22.) 22 Sep 2017 22:46:02
Superred

The day hendeson could actually pass like any other excellent CM's like Carrick or Pjanic, I ll change my username to his name 😄😄. He can't pass hence he played as Ball winner while Gerrard played the deeper role and Coutinho played as a playmaker!


23.) 22 Sep 2017 22:48:55
Take Can and Couts out and play again.


24.) 22 Sep 2017 23:30:50
Someone should post a video that shows Henderson as world class just to even out the argument. One that showcases his passing, dribbling, shooting, positioning, crossing, dead ball etc.


25.) 23 Sep 2017 12:12:20
I actually think that is a pretty fair assessment Indian Buzzer.

I think in terms if tackling, recovery, and showing players into less dangerous areas, Henderson is great when fit and on form.

He has also proven he has a sublime passing range and does have the vision to pick out movement ahead of him (though he hasn't looked great in this area this season due to Lallana and Coutinho being absent, often leaving Firmino as the only option for a line splitting pass) . Admittedly his passing quality is greatly finished when he is pressed though.

There is no doubt, Henderson does not have the skill or composure to regularly turn his way out of trouble. He isn't confident enough on the ball to do that. But neither does N'Zonzi. Weigl does, but Weigl is useless defensively hence him needing Bender alongside him most games. In fact i didn't really understand why Weigl or Kante where included in the comparison because they both play positions more similar to Wijnaldum, than Henderson. Better examples would've been Matic, Dier and Fernandinho who you will find can be just as poor on the ball as Henderson at times when put under pressure. They are far more experienced in the role though so it is still far too early to make the conparisons fairly. It just goes to show people are still struggling to understand Hendo's role when they make comparisons like that.

Kante is the best midfielder because he can do everything to an almost world class level. He is the jack of all trades king. Comparing Henderson to him is akin to comparing Mane to Messi. Of course he'll lose, but does that make him bad? No.

Henderson is also very good at shooting and crossing (from open play! ) COMPARED to other defensive midfielders. Not a key trait, but for a team which presses as high as us and demands the holding player be effective in the final third at times, still worth a mention. He is also one of the best at pressing the ball in the game. For a holding player, Henderson creates a lot of chsnces and wins the ball back much higher up than others.

Henderson isn't world class even when he isn't struggling with his heel. I can see an argument for pushing him back into a box to box role and signing a specialist holding player because when pressurised he does tend to take the easy route and go sideways or backwards. In fact that is probably what I'd prefer we do.

This video is just a joke though.


26.) 23 Sep 2017 12:15:50
I don't need to watch it cos I have watched Hendo since he signed for LFC. But I bit and watched it. If the maker of the video compared Hendo's ability to win the ball to that of the best ball winner in world football then I really don't need to watch anymore as that just proves that this is nothing but a hit-piece by a fake LFC fan or a true LFC fan who is so bitter about Hendo.

Also, the fact that he said Kante is a poor passer and is only good defensively, takes the biscuit. What a crock of crap! Go watch the Chelsea-Arsenal game and then come back and tell me if Kante is a poor passer. Also, does he even know that Verrati is not the DM at PSG? Thiago Motta is the DM yet he compares Veratti to Hendo in terms of making more defence spitting passes? How many defence splitting passes did Masche make in the 3 seasons he was here? The guy has no clue of what he's talking about and is just trying to wind people up in a divisive way.

Hendo is not perfect and that is fine with me. He does what Klopp requires him to do and he does it well for the most part veen tho, he's struggling at the moment. I propose that people use their eyes cos BUT then, people are free to believe whatever they want.


 

 

05 Sep 2017 19:00:38
What are your thoughts on coutinho starting/ bench against man city?
He hasn't trained with the team at all so I think its completely unfair for the other lads who have worked hard.
Please share your views guys.

niinja123

1.) 05 Sep 2017 19:14:55
I trust Klopp to make the right decision with Cou come Sat at City. The players will get on with the job as they have done brilliantly well doing that in the midst of this saga so not too worried about what Klopp does or does not do regarding Cou.


2.) 05 Sep 2017 19:16:25
If he hasn't trained before the match, Klopp won't select him. IMO 🤝.


3.) 05 Sep 2017 20:39:18
Personally, I don't think he should be given an easy route back. However Klopp makes the decisions and if he decides to bring him back, we should respect his decision.


4.) 05 Sep 2017 21:53:03
Klopp might bow down to Coutinho's quality!


5.) 05 Sep 2017 23:09:00
If he's been a plank or not it's foolish to not want your best players on the pitch, now if he doesn't play him due to him not being match fit to klopp liking or for tactical reasons, fine. But to say you're not playing because of how you've acted could be seen as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. If he plays and scores the winner all will be forgotte.


6.) 05 Sep 2017 23:48:34
From what I know, Kloppo puts a great deal of importance in training. If he's not been training, Klopp won't select him unless he has a sudden brain-freeze.


7.) 06 Sep 2017 00:46:12
I suspect on the bench.


8.) 06 Sep 2017 05:44:24
Play the Ox instead - at least he wants to be at LFC.


 

 

01 Sep 2017 17:30:41
If it was in my hands, I would never let Coutinho get back into the team.

Let him fake an injury for the whole season and miss the world cup too.

niinja123

1.) 01 Sep 2017 17:37:33
Yeah! Let' him and his family burn! Hail van dijk for going on strike! Get a grip. He's an amazing player and I guarentee If he goes on to help us win thugs you wouldn't give a hoot.


2.) 01 Sep 2017 17:37:45
Yeh let's just keep telling him he's injured 🤕 lol.


3.) 01 Sep 2017 17:51:40
I think klopp will pass on that suggestion ninja.
It's up to klopp. I suspect he'll have a conversation with him soon enough.
This has to be coutinhos last season regardless. I suspect he'll have interest if he plays this season which I imagine he will from real mardrid / Barca again or psg (link up with neymar) . I think one or two of them clubs will look to pursue him next season if keeps his head down and performs. Purely guesswork btw . he's still only 25 and is continuing to get better and better.


4.) 01 Sep 2017 18:24:50
You know what, he's still young at 25 and probably a bit immature to cope with the situation. After a good chat and Klopp hug, a cheer from the Anfield faithful he'll be right. if he refuses to play then that will be sad on so many levels.


5.) 01 Sep 2017 18:28:13
The market is only going to get crazier. He'll be worth £180M next summer. Crazy numbers these days.


6.) 01 Sep 2017 18:35:59
If coutinho is here after 12 tonight can we just forget about this. We don't know what has even went on. All sorts of reports now that he faked injury, refused to play, asked to be left out of champions league squad. 100% he has not been an angel but let the club deal with it. We may never know how true any of those rumours are. Klopp had said there was nothing wrong with his attitude (might have changed) and it would be a while until he decided to take him back in. Klopp is a strong manager and I could see him keeping coutinho out even after he says he is ready to play. Take the champions league request. I don't see how that would make a difference. Wouldn't it only be if he played for us in the competition properules he'd be cup tied.


7.) 01 Sep 2017 18:56:14
Yeah, how about we don't do that, Ninja?


 

 

 

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25 Aug 2017 13:54:18
I hope this is true because AOC will definitely be an upgrade over Milner.
With Klopp talking about moving Milner to midfield, I'd rather have AOC play there. Milner is horrible in the midfield.

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16 Aug 2017 12:52:12
Cheers! that give me hope.

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14 Aug 2017 21:39:46
@Jayden23.HAHAHAHAHAHA.

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11 Aug 2017 17:47:47
Agree with Frankly. All those players offered by Barcelona are useless.
Only player I would take is Suarez.

Also no need to mahrez. aweful.

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09 Aug 2017 21:11:40
I hope all you said comes true.

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10 Nov 2017 20:02:46
Only and Only. Diego Simeone.

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18 Oct 2017 17:37:51
Gomez for me.

TAA is not ready at all. Watch him play again and you will see how much he struggles.

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11 Oct 2017 13:47:09
David Silva for me too. The most consistent creative player in the premier league.

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09 Oct 2017 21:47:05
My picks are based on the assumptions that there will a new post for CAM.

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09 Oct 2017 21:46:11
This one is tough. So many options.
But I will choose:
Kroos,
Modric,
and Moussa Dembele.

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