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24 Aug 2018 23:37:30
Besiktas seem to have posted a pic of Karius in their shirt and then took it off. Seems it's done. But the reports says 1.25 million for this season and a further 1.25 for next with an additional fee of 1.7 million at end of loan.

I'd read previously the fee would be much higher in region of 9 million in total with a percentage of any future sale.


1.) 25 Aug 2018 07:58:56
4.2m seems pretty low in today’s market.

2.) 25 Aug 2018 09:31:20
Who cares? The lad deserves a chance to get his career back on track and he wasn’t going to get it here!

It’s not our money that he’s bought with and sold for!

3.) 25 Aug 2018 14:30:46
I think we are lucky any team actually wanted him after the last couple of months for him. That said good luck to the lad hope he does well.

4.) 25 Aug 2018 18:29:42
I agree, wish him the best of luck


5.) 26 Aug 2018 00:35:41
Danny ward (3rd or 4th choice) went for 12 million though!

6.) 26 Aug 2018 13:23:36
I’m not fussed about the money. I’d rather he gets the chance to rebuild his career.

7.) 27 Aug 2018 12:48:41
Basically what we paid for him.

Let’s hope the lad gets the space and the peace to rebuild his career and confidence 👍.

8.) 02 Sep 2018 10:22:56
Shame this thread got sidetracked by football finances, which clearly most people have no clue about.

I remember the original post from Ed002 a while back mentioning Ake, Ojo and one other player as the most highly rated youngsters in football.

Very interesting post it was.

ED002, if you are about, can you give us an update - who are the highly rated youngsters now?

{Ed002's Note - That is not happening anymore, sorry.}



08 Aug 2018 21:56:51
Reading that palace have offered £18 million for Origi. Not sure if it's true, but if it is and we manage to get £20 million for Ings too that's good business on the last day.

Can anyone confirm if mayo ice has been sold yet?


1.) 08 Aug 2018 22:25:46
Would be best for all parties if true (origi) . With sturridge looking Sharpe and shaquiri we have enough back up scorers. Imgsy though I would love to get a year from him and loan out Solanke.

2.) 08 Aug 2018 23:50:47
Fekir to Chelsea?
Lordy, my prayers have been answered.

Their recruitment is all over the shop lately.
Where's the Grand Plan now?

{Ed0333's Note - all over the shop how so?

3.) 09 Aug 2018 01:31:51
Not really sure how you can say they’re all over the shop. Once again Chelsea thrives in the seemingly chaotic window and comes out with a pretty good transfer list.

4.) 09 Aug 2018 06:08:20
Late change of manager and system of play?
Over-priced late signings, loans replacing failed signings, was Fakir a number 1 target or are they happy with a Liverpool reject, signings that may hinder the development of home-grown talent (specifically Loftus-Cheek), a failure (so far) to deal with the lack of goals (striker)?

The late movement all feels like a rushed appeasement for their star man.

I would never write off Chelsea because they've gotten in quality people but it could take time to bind together, and how much patience the owner and Mr Hazard are prepared to show may be interesting to note?

5.) 09 Aug 2018 06:21:20
Maybe Fekir will play as a striker for Chelsea.

6.) 09 Aug 2018 08:03:47
We seem to be happy enough with a Chelsea reject.

7.) 09 Aug 2018 08:02:15
Haha, Chelsea’s window has been a sh*t show lol

I think the only positive they can take is they’ve held onto Kante and Hazard, which is basically the Spurs mentality for transfer windows 😂

I think we have had far and away the best window. Arsenal have also tried to shore up some problem positions.

{Ed002's Note - Lyon approached Chelsea because they have been interested in Fekir in the long term and oasked after the player earlier this summer. Arsenal has even longer standing interest as do a couple of other clubs. The posts from Liverpool supporters are getting embarrassing again.}

8.) 09 Aug 2018 09:07:29
if signing a quality young keeper, kovacic, jorginho and potentially fekir then I've woken up in an alternate world?

9.) 09 Aug 2018 09:24:28
Wow NK, you are blatantly too bitter mate.

10.) 09 Aug 2018 09:37:20
They've had a good window and addressed problems, this post just sounds bitter. Focus on Liverpool!

11.) 09 Aug 2018 09:06:18
Well said ed002. Can you just imagine if Liverpool went for Fekir now how embarrassing would these posters look. Not that we will be until January that is.

{Ed002's Note - You don't think they are working on it as I type then?}

12.) 09 Aug 2018 09:45:58
87red, I think that is the only explanation. I had thought they got in some decent signings until I read the above and found out I was clearly wrong! haha.

13.) 09 Aug 2018 09:46:19
I do think Chelsea need a striker though, unless Morata pulls his finger out.

14.) 09 Aug 2018 10:03:13
Nope, still can’t work out ‘mayo ice’?!


15.) 09 Aug 2018 10:04:45
Seriously, we have had a great window and we already have a fantastic team. Let's just look forward to the new season. I'm absolutely salivating ;)

16.) 09 Aug 2018 10:28:09
I think we have had a very good window and as fans should be appreciative.

It also looks like Chelsea are going to end up having a good window if not a bit late. If they get Fekir good luck to him, i personally hope we don't go for him purely based on the reservations we have on the previous knee issues he has had. If we feel that strongly about the injury that a transfer falls through, don't go back in.

17.) 09 Aug 2018 10:35:49
You never had “mayo ice” Zed?

Lovely stuff 😋.

18.) 09 Aug 2018 10:44:48
I’m not sure if I’m on my own here but for me Chelsea look really strong on paper, if they can get a striker in they are bang in with a chance of challenging.

19.) 09 Aug 2018 11:35:29
We have a fantastic team/ squad on paper but have nothing won yet. let's not get carried away. It will be interesting to see what the posts on here will be like if we dare to draw a few in a row or heaven forbid loose one.
Having said that I'm really looking forward to the season ahead but realise we can't win them all YNWA.

20.) 09 Aug 2018 12:15:55
Yep, Chelsea look like they're a striker away from challenging. Lfc only need Lovren to keep up the consistency he's shown since January and we'll have a team capable of winning trophies.

21.) 09 Aug 2018 12:48:49
Did I read that right? Fekir a Liverpool reject? Tad harsh if you ask me? I know he has a sore knee from previously falling over off a climbing frame but a reject? World Cup winning reject eh who knew?

22.) 09 Aug 2018 10:09:44

When you say “they” are working on it as you type, are you referring to Liverpool working on signing Fekir, or Chelsea are working on signing Fekir?

Or have I completely mis intetpreted what you wrote there?


23.) 09 Aug 2018 10:41:37
Hiya ed002. When you say. (so you don't think they are working on it as I type) who do you mean lfc or cfc.

{Ed002's Note - Nothing will happen with him now.}

24.) 09 Aug 2018 17:13:52
Mayo ice? Markov?

25.) 09 Aug 2018 17:52:20
Haha maybe a few too many wines from me 😳😂

But in all seriousness I do think we have had an amazing window and I am not bitter at all, not sure what I would be bitter about haha they’re not even in the CL.

Personally it looks like Chelsea have just treadead water by replacing their keeper with a less proven player, got ANOTHER CM on loan (not sure where they’re all going to play🤷🏻‍♂️😂) and still haven’t signed a striker that can put the ball in the net.

Agree to disagree I suppose though.

26.) 10 Aug 2018 18:18:31
Mayo is not eggsactly what I look for in an ice cream flavour, Ron 😉🤢.



05 Jun 2018 21:29:17
Moses Simon? Apparently interested at £10 million.

Anyone know of true?


1.) 05 Jun 2018 21:36:40
Is he any good Ed?

{Ed002's Note - At what?}

2.) 05 Jun 2018 21:37:16
You just bet me to it mate. Well Macca nor the Ed's have ever mentioned his name so I doubt it.

3.) 05 Jun 2018 21:53:13
I stand corrected.

4.) 05 Jun 2018 21:54:41
Parting the Red Sea ED002 what else?

{Ed002's Note - I doubt he is an RSP.}

5.) 06 Jun 2018 05:57:13
28 Apr 2015 18:00:14
I think his name is Simon Moses. Fast young winger. He plays in Belgian league now for Gent. I saw him also in some matches in Slovakian League. He was better than the rest. I remember also Matic and Skrtel in this league who were very good as well. But with all respect to our league it means nothing. He is young with potential but I don't see reason to buy him, it is better to keep Sterling, Ibe, Markovic and let them play. We need top class players ready into first team and give more time on the pitch for players from academy. He is good and has future but needs time and I do not think he is what we need right now.

{Ed002's Note - This is one I can help with. Gent's Moses Simon has attracted the declared interest of PSV, Apolonia Fier, Spurs, Ajax, Maccabi Tel Aviv and Fenerbahce and has apparently been watched by Viking, Liverpool, Reading, Midtjylland, Arsenal and probably others. }.

6.) 06 Jun 2018 06:36:28
Seen him loads. Great player. Think him of a hybrid of simon mignolet and victor moses. Unreal.

{Ed001's Note - so long as he has Mignolet's nose, I am in!}



30 May 2018 20:33:54
Reports in France say we have made official bid for Fekir of 53 million.

Don't know if it's true.


1.) 30 May 2018 21:04:08
According to Le Parisien, Liverpool's bid for the 24-year-old is said to be €60m (£52.6m) and is thought to be under consideration from the Ligue 1 club.

Any truth in this eds?

{Ed025's Note - its no secret that liverpool want him and that talks are taking place shayan but the details are basically guesses mate..

2.) 30 May 2018 21:22:31
Well then get it sorted ed25 ☺️☺️☺️.

{Ed025's Note - im trying my best ace..

3.) 30 May 2018 21:22:52
Thank you ed. I didn’t know that talks were taking place. All I remember is ed002 saying that he expects us to make a formal approach.

4.) 30 May 2018 21:32:37
If it was Ian ayre doing the negotiations I would be worried but nowadays apart from the mistakes of tapping up we seem to be doing so much better .

5.) 30 May 2018 21:29:52
Alright Ed25 we will stop disturbing you, go get that deal over the line.

{Ed025's Note - im trying to scupper it alonso.. :)

6.) 30 May 2018 21:44:20
Whats you're opinion on Fekir's ability Ed025? Sorry in advance, if you have already gave it and i have missed it.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes very talented coco, there seems to be a bit of doubt about his temperament but i think hes a good buy myself mate..

7.) 30 May 2018 21:57:49
And we have the klopp factor also. He tends to bring the best out of players. not every player though. But if fekir is good enough for the French squad ahead of players I assumed were dead set for Russia then I would rate him highly.

8.) 30 May 2018 21:54:08
Thanks Ed025, much appreciated. Everything I've heard seems positive and few times I've watched him he looked a talent.

9.) 30 May 2018 22:06:13
So ed 25 you think this deal has legs then and will happen . Hope he’s not another payet.

{Ed025's Note - i do expect it to happen Dhfc its just haggling over the price mate..

10.) 31 May 2018 08:54:43
As long as we have behaved ourselves, I’ll be happy. At least klopp hasn’t come out tapping up the lad yet, so that’s a start.

11.) 31 May 2018 09:53:39
Euros or sterling? Lol.



19 May 2018 22:37:11
Reports from France saying Fekir is 99% completed and a 62 million deal has been agreed.

Not saying I believe this just what I've read.


1.) 19 May 2018 22:50:00
I’d be happy with that. Could be a really top signing.

2.) 19 May 2018 22:52:13
Yes please.

3.) 19 May 2018 22:53:05
But I doubt we will be doing any transfers before the final in case it makes anyone unsettled. Perhaps after the final something may be done.

4.) 19 May 2018 23:19:34
or maybe Michael Edwards is making the deal happen while Klopp is focused in the champions league final?

5.) 19 May 2018 23:26:21
I'm sure negotiations, and agent discussions, are taking place right now but official announcements concerning signings will be made after the Champions League final. Otherwise, targets may be snapped up before we can even sound out their interest in joining us.

Fingers crossed Fekir does sign because he is an outstanding talent. I know he is used to play in offensive positions but I honestly think he can occupy the same position Coutinho did when he played midfield for us. The boy has all the qualities to play such a position, only thing that concerns me is his injury record. But hopefully he is over the worst of it.

6.) 19 May 2018 23:30:31
Nah. Nothings done yet.

7.) 20 May 2018 02:06:44
Pretty sure the deal is done. Most reliable French outlets and journalists saying the same and providing the same specific details of the deal.
LFC are obviously keeping the deal under wraps till after the UCL final. Klopp does not need any distractions right now.

8.) 20 May 2018 02:17:39
Hope to god he joins, would be such a great pick up!

9.) 20 May 2018 02:24:03
This proves what Macca said last summer. He said the club was looking at a French international, but it is someone that no one is thinking of. Everyone kept saying Lemar and Griezman. He did message the name to one of the the Eds can any of them confirm this was the name he messaged you.

10.) 20 May 2018 05:12:34
Let's not start that one again, Harry. I believe that's a cold case.

11.) 20 May 2018 08:27:12
HarryTheRED- it was Griezmann that Macca said we were after not Fekir and it was in January.

12.) 20 May 2018 09:32:42
Won't believe it unless the eds say that it is true.

13.) 20 May 2018 09:43:26
One thing I've learnt over the past god knows how many years is to not get excited about a transfer until it's done. Things can change so quickly, these days I just like to wait and see what happens and hope for the best because every time I get excited about a player potentially joining it never bloody happens!

So I'm thinking right now, Fekir isn't signing for us, if he does, it's a pleasant surprise.

14.) 20 May 2018 15:26:13
The majority of the time a player doesn't sign it's because it was never happening in the first place. The press need to make money, so they spout any old garbage on a regular basis.
It's amazing how many people still believe nearly everything they read about transfer happenings.




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02 Aug 2018 18:39:14
According to reports spurs are willing to listen to offers for Alderweireld, Rose and Dembele.

Wondering if we would at show an interest in Alderweireld. Him paired with Van Dijk would be class. God knows how much Levy would be looking for though.

Unless we throw in a player.


1.) 02 Aug 2018 18:59:43
Aren't they looking for upward of 55 million or something? Sure that what they said on SSN.

2.) 02 Aug 2018 19:28:52
I honestly think we will win the league this year. With alderverald it would be a definitely imo.

3.) 02 Aug 2018 19:32:38
Worth every penny.

4.) 02 Aug 2018 19:43:37
Poor Tottenham fans! They've not had a great summer at all to put it lightly.

5.) 02 Aug 2018 20:17:37
I'd love to see him at Liverpool if we sold Matip.

6.) 02 Aug 2018 20:35:54
Give them lallana and a few quid for alderweireld. Everyone is happy then.

7.) 02 Aug 2018 20:40:02
I would like Alderweireld as well BUT that ain't going to happen so we move on.

8.) 02 Aug 2018 20:40:36
No brainier for me. If VVD gets injured then Lovren is paired with either Matip or Klavan. I think Lovren has greatly improved since the arrival of VVD, I just don’t think he’s as confident without him.

9.) 02 Aug 2018 20:56:27
How about Lallana, Moreno and ings? They need backup for kane, if rose goes backup for Davies And Poch likes Lallana no? Seems fair to me.

{Ed025's Note - thats a terrible thing to wish on spurs mate..

10.) 02 Aug 2018 21:03:48
I would streak through liverpool city centre if we signed alderwiereld.

Omg. I trully trully believe that would be the title. Plain and simple. That's how close we are.

This team can do it but with Toby they would do it.

11.) 02 Aug 2018 21:09:55
I’m with IR - hasn’t Lallana been linked with them before? Lallana plus cash would be an awesome deal if they would take it. We’re well stocked in midfield and can also afford to sell Matip, but if we had Alderweireld and VVD our CB pairing would be the best in the league.

Unfortunately I’m sure the Mancs will get him instead.

12.) 02 Aug 2018 21:19:25
Would be ideal if



Strong squad in depth too even with the sales, and not counting Sturridge leaving.

13.) 02 Aug 2018 21:25:09
Lallana + cash for Alderweireld would be a dream move for all parties (except for Matip who would surely look to move on if this, granted, incredibly unlikely, transfer happened) .

{Ed025's Note - it would be £45m for toby, if you threw in lallana it would be £50m..

14.) 02 Aug 2018 21:33:30
25 million for Ings and 25 million for Origi. I know it’s not that simple though.

{Ed025's Note - and £150m for sturridge....well if were playing silly buggers why cant i have a turn..

15.) 02 Aug 2018 21:38:39
Ha ha ok Ed.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff jonesy.. :)

16.) 02 Aug 2018 22:30:19
Sinice vvd has arrived lovern has looked back to his best. Matip has'nt had that opportunity. I think he's a player who is very low on confidence and playing alongside vvd will give him a change to relax and find his game.

{Ed025's Note - league 1 would show off his talents better roro, positionally poor lazy and lacks concentration for me mate..

17.) 02 Aug 2018 22:44:10
If we were to end the window with Alderwiereld and Fekir then it would be without doubt the best window I can remember us having, one can hope.

18.) 02 Aug 2018 23:38:18
We should just buy all of the players.

19.) 03 Aug 2018 03:06:52
Give em the Ox on a season long loan.

20.) 03 Aug 2018 03:28:40
If matip relaxes anymore I think he may run backwards?



26 Jul 2018 21:48:51
the players most linked with us for midfield seem to be.

C. Pulisic.

J. Brandt.

M. Meyer.

O. Dembele.

N. Fekir.

To be fair I'd be happy with any of them as they all provide quality.


1.) 26 Jul 2018 23:10:24
Pulisic and Fekir are different level that the rest on the list, with Pulisic having the advantage of youth. But he’s not in our sights in sure after signing a right winger already and having Salah.
the other three have potential, but I’m sure it’s fekir or none of them!

2.) 27 Jul 2018 00:12:42
Pulisic all day. Kid's got serious skills.

3.) 27 Jul 2018 03:24:44
Tbf dembele gets in that France team before fekir.

4.) 27 Jul 2018 06:20:20
Having 2 good feet helps Dembele a lot. Makes him more unpredictable. Those players are all quality but have different skills. I guess Klopp will go with what suits him.
Mbappe? 😁😁😁.

5.) 27 Jul 2018 14:01:03
We already have better players than Max Meyer in his position.



16 Jun 2018 11:49:35
Gelson Martins for a knock down fee due to issues at the club, could be a good deal. Never seen him play any good?


1.) 16 Jun 2018 12:11:55
Electric pace, assists, scores, would be ideal, if we were supposedly after dembele I would jib him right off an go after gelson Martins.

2.) 16 Jun 2018 13:46:24
Why are any of these high quality, highly sort after players going to move to us to sit on the bench?

3.) 16 Jun 2018 15:13:29
Squad rotation, Tottenham have Lucas moura on the bench, Chelsea have Pedro, man utd have rashford also on bench, it's called having a squad an building towards having as much quality as possible we need this . What if mane or Salah get injured, we need better options!

4.) 16 Jun 2018 16:35:56
How do you know he sits on the bench, honestly can you actually see the future? Maybe these players come and play great and they start and one of the current starters loses his place, we won’t know until these guys join and we see how the season pans out.



07 Jun 2018 21:35:32
Turning out to be an excellent window already. Keita, Fabinho and now Fekir seems likely Lallana will move but who knows where. Can't see Tottenham being interested and I doubt he'd move to a Bournemouth, Fulham type club.


1.) 07 Jun 2018 21:47:37
Milner will also move out! It’s a full overhaul in the middle and it’s the Nab and Fab show.

2.) 07 Jun 2018 22:09:54
Nilner will only leave if he really wants to. He's too valuable to us to push out.

3.) 07 Jun 2018 22:10:37
I don't see Milner going, I mean I hope not anyway. Lallana doesn't want to be at the club, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's out the door soon.

4.) 07 Jun 2018 22:13:30
Hope Milner stays tbh, will do as cover off the bench.

5.) 07 Jun 2018 22:19:54
Milner won’t be going anywhere.

6.) 07 Jun 2018 22:22:57
Milner one more year then he’ll end his career at Leeds Utd.

7.) 07 Jun 2018 23:07:07
And the ox to come back aswell don't forget. milner wants game time more than money i read and he just wants to play week in week out don't be surprised if he leaves if he does i wish the ld all the best and thank him for his service a true professional.

8.) 08 Jun 2018 01:16:58
Did I miss something? Why does Lallana not want to be at the club anymnore? When did this happen? I was aware that he might be sold, but this is new info.



04 Jun 2018 19:49:31
Pretty shocking to read that Karius was in fact concussed in the CL final after Ramos's elbow. Out of 30 tests he tested positive in 26 of them as being concussed.

Even worse is that UEFA have not done anything at all about the incident. Really hope the guy can bounce back, thought he was really improving leading upto the final.

I wouldn't say sell him at all.


{Ed0333's Note - wow that’s an astounding revelation. Maybe Simon Mignolet should be tested aswell concussion for the last 5 years seems plausible to me.

1.) 04 Jun 2018 20:00:01
He was lucid enough to do other things and continue playing. Has he been concussed all season?

{Ed025's Note - i must have missed the blow that seen firmino, milner and henderson concussed into stagnation..

2.) 04 Jun 2018 20:05:30
So what should UEFA do? If he had any concussion during the match, He shouldn’t have continued! I am not sure if he was physically ill before the match? Why blame UEFA for conceding 3 goals?

{Ed025's Note - as far as i know he was not ill harry....well the press reports said that he had not caught anything on the night.. :)

3.) 04 Jun 2018 20:11:57
I certainly wasn’t blaming UEFA for the goals, but retrospective action should have been taken in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - yes jonesy.... on the team sheet it had karius down as a keeper, which is a serious case of fraud in my book mate..

4.) 04 Jun 2018 20:18:13
Concussion is no joke. It's more than just a headache. If that's true about karius then he should be cut some slack as it's a very serious brain trauma and can cause a large array of visual and mental symptoms.

{Ed025's Note - your right nevada, lets make him player of the year and guarantee his place in the starting line up for all of next season..

5.) 04 Jun 2018 20:20:27
It's in the past now. Let's just forget about it. No need to be looking for excuses.

{Ed025's Note - exactly max..

6.) 04 Jun 2018 20:23:56
Ramos now had two fouls that he should have been sanctioned for. Maybe UEFA should spend a little less time living it up and pocketing bribes, and a little more time paying attention to the actualities of the games that are played under their control. Seems assaults on players are now permitted in European competitions.

{Ed025's Note - come on guys you have to stop with all these petty excuses, you were beaten by the better side on the night so just leave it at that and move on..

7.) 04 Jun 2018 20:25:14
The real fraud was suggesting Ramos was a footballer.

{Ed025's Note - the history books will say different mate..

8.) 04 Jun 2018 20:26:50
Ed25 and 33 killing it! 😂😂😂😂😂.

9.) 04 Jun 2018 20:27:45
Absolutely. Stop looking for excuses. I am worried if the club want to take the fans to their side by this story as they are not buying a top class keeper. Could be!

10.) 04 Jun 2018 20:27:56
If Karius was concussed then he should signalled to the bench or thr ref to stop the game and get Mignolet on. He didnt! The rest is history.

{Ed025's Note - i thought i seen him waving to the bench when bale hit that speculative shot from 40 yards irish...well his arms were flapping..

11.) 04 Jun 2018 20:30:33
It is very serious - concussion.

If he is concussed so easily it begs the question about whether he should retire to be honest. Other sportsmen have done it and he will be wealthy enough and young enough to change careers.

If I was in his shoes, I’d quit. Life is too short.
Sending my support to Karius, wish him well and hopes he gets the right advice about his future 🤝.

12.) 04 Jun 2018 20:36:43
If we had won that match 4-3, no body would utter a word of concussion. 😂😂😂 damn those tinted glass!

13.) 04 Jun 2018 20:38:06
Often Irish, the person concussed is not the first person to realise, they’re usually the last 🤝.

{Ed025's Note - can of worms that ron...everton players will be claiming they got punched in every game last season now..

14.) 04 Jun 2018 20:39:11
And why should mild concussion mean he should quit? I’m not sure there’s any logic to that mate.

15.) 04 Jun 2018 20:41:13
The result is history, but if the effects of concussion are still detectable on Karius then he should think about retirement.

{Ed025's Note - im sure all liverpool fans think the same ron..

16.) 04 Jun 2018 20:41:33
UEFA can't really be expected to do anything when the player got back up, no one noticed the head injury in real time and thus he wasn't assessed.

I'm surprised if he was still testing for it 9 days after that he wasn't more obviously dazed.

{Ed025's Note - fazed i think you mean SR..

17.) 04 Jun 2018 20:48:39
The game is over.
We lost.
End of story.
No excuses.
I’ve watched the incident several times over and, personally speaking, I don’t think Ramos did it intentionally.
Stop with the “poor us” thing. Man up and take it.

{Ed025's Note - im with you tris..

18.) 04 Jun 2018 20:48:59
Only a dinosaur would laugh off the effects a concussion would have on someone.

{Ed025's Note - if it were true and not sheer fabrication made by an inept keeper who is making pathetic excuses for the worst performance in CL history...then i would agree dexter..

19.) 04 Jun 2018 20:59:42
I think more of this is being made of than is the case. I hope I’m not wrong. I also this isn’t a means of justifying keeping him as no 1 goalie. I don’t mind him staying but we need a better starter.
Anyway, mild concussion is ususally not problematic and people generally make a full recovery after a short time. Blows to the head are quite common, for example repetitive heading of the ball, tackling in rugby or boxing. Generally in other sports where contact is far more aggressive effects do not require removal from the game. Of course over many years repeated hits can be a problem but in Karius case he should hopefully make a full recovery.
As was mentioned if there was cause for concern it could/ should have been dealt with immediately.

{Ed025's Note - spot on razor mate..

20.) 04 Jun 2018 21:10:42
Thanks Ed25 . of course evertonians are an exception as for them there’s no such thing as brain injury 😏.

{Ed025's Note - whoever appointed allardyce should see that brain specialist razor..

21.) 04 Jun 2018 21:19:30
I hate to say but I called it. Said something like "Madrid have modric Kroos Ronaldo Bale and benzema who can all score easily from outside the box and I don't trust our keeper, he has improved blah blah blah"

22.) 04 Jun 2018 21:19:06
Lads it's gone we weren't good enough on the night to beat Real let it go. Let's just be proud of our progression and how well our team did last season and by the way things seem to be shaping up let's look forward to some exciting times ahead! We have a very good manager who has us playing exciting expansive football, we have a very good starting 11 with one of the most potent attacks in world football and just look at the players we have added and are trying to sign! We are on the up, there will be plenty more chances for glory!

23.) 04 Jun 2018 21:23:10
Ed25 I think you’ll be a lot happier this season. No higher up the table mind, but a lot happier.

{Ed025's Note - im not expecting miracles razor, but i do want a bit of entertainment mate...unlike last season..

24.) 04 Jun 2018 21:33:33
I agree with the opinions expressed here about concussions but I find it very strange that the story has come out now. The concussions and the tests happened over a week ago. Very strange, and in fact very convenient, if it turns out that we will not be able to get any of our top GK targets (Alisson, Oblak, Cilissen) and we'll have to settle for Butland (which may have been the objective all along) . Really appears to be a public relations exercise by the club to soften public dismay in case Butland is the only GK signed and Karius is kept.

{Ed025's Note - if thats true im going to make my famous liverpool soup tomorrow ArAy......i start with a laughing stock..

25.) 04 Jun 2018 21:44:18
ArAy that’s what I’m worried about.

26.) 04 Jun 2018 21:49:04
Razor, you use the example of rugby. Professional rugby players have quit because of repeated blows to the head causing concussion. 🤝.

27.) 04 Jun 2018 21:54:13
I don’t think anyone is going on about the result we know what happened. It’s more the fact the injury he sustained during the game that is what the conversation is.

{Ed025's Note - alleged injury you mean jonesy..

28.) 04 Jun 2018 21:55:13
Martin Skrtel had 13 stitches on his head during a match recently and played like a warrior and was voted the player of the match! Hugo Lloris had a collision and played through out with a bandage and I remember he had steller! Stop making excuses! We lost! Move on.

29.) 04 Jun 2018 22:12:50
I understand that people don't know how serious concussion is because it's not very well publicised.

But don't dismiss it. I'm not making excuses for karius at all, it was a shaky performance even before his errors. But for people to treat that condition so dismissively is shocking.

Untreated concussion causes (amongst others) visual impairment, delusions (auditory and visual) disorientation, psychosis, aggression, vomiting, and in a whopping 53% of cases violent suicide.

It is not something to be dismissed

I'm not saying karius should get player of the season Ed what I'm saying is he should not be villain of the century (if the concussion diagnosis is correct) . If people are mocking the condition I suggest they read up on it.

You wanna say he's a rubbish keeper, he is. But don't dismiss a serious medical condition. If he'd broken his leg and carried on nobody would be giving him shit, I don't see how this is any different.

30.) 04 Jun 2018 22:16:24
Harry no-one is making excuses. We know we lost 🤝.

31.) 04 Jun 2018 22:22:43
Ron if you read my post I spoke about the difference between a single and repeated blows especially if the single blow causes mild concussion. From what is being said this is certainly no reason for him to consider quitting. There are also boxers who make a living of getting pounded on the head who don’t have problems. My point is that according to what's been written there’s been an overreaction. If Karius has a visuo spatial problem then it wouldn’t be selective. He wouldn’t be able to do things like take a goal kick or walk over and make gestures to the crowd while apologising. I think we should just move on with the whole thing. Now he will have to answer questions about his mistakes and the concussion.

32.) 04 Jun 2018 22:19:31
Razor comparing a header to concussion is like comparing a step in tackle to a leg break.

They're not even close to the same thing. If karius didn't have concussion then the discussion is moot but a concussion is not trivial. I've seen the brain CT scans. I've conducted a few myself. It is true that people recover but it's not quick and usually takes a couple of months and concussions are cumulative too, more than 3 in a calender year in US sports means you have to take forces medical leave for 5 months.

It's not trivial.

I'm not saying karius is that bad, I'm not his primary physician, I'm simply saying that people are making a very serious condition seem very trivial.

33.) 04 Jun 2018 22:39:43
Nevada as someone who has done many hundreds of scans, treated many head injuries and operated on many brains I think I understand what consussion is.

34.) 04 Jun 2018 22:53:42
Razor, tapping into your expertease, isn’t it the case that the effect is cumulative?
So a relatively minor blow can have more profound effects after multiple previous blows?
What I’m suggesting is maybe Karius is at that tipping point after multiple previous blows. If it’s still detectable all this time later, is that not a worrying sign?
I’ve no experience of any of this, but just my observations of previous cases. Happy to hear your opinion 🤝.

35.) 04 Jun 2018 23:07:09
Ron yes you can get a cumulative effect but there would be evidence that he had been hit significantly many times before, and he would have likely showed signs or symptoms at some point even prior to the game. The doctors said that it was ‘possible’ his injury could have affected performance. They are being non commital because they can’t be conclusive. It’s difficult to prove when he only made two isolated errors and appeared to be normal otherwise. Nobody is suggesting he didn’t have a head injury. But to suggest this is the reason for conceding the two goals is spurious to say the least.

36.) 05 Jun 2018 00:35:55
Out of curiosity razor what is your profession? In the UK and US a theatre physician does not also conduct CT scans of the brain. That would would be done by a Radiographer who would then be sent to a primary care physician who would then decide whether or not it requires surgery and refer it to a surgeon.

I'm not doubting what you say just curious as to what a massive workload one doctor must have in your country as they are required to do the job of a Radiographer, reporting radiologist, and surgeon all as part of their role. I genuinely feel for that poor over worked physician.

37.) 05 Jun 2018 06:55:24
Former neurosurgeon now ER. No I don’t mean physically put the patient on the bed (although sometimes have to help if a patient is sedsted) but order and interpret them. Anyway enough about me. We should probably get back to the footie.

38.) 05 Jun 2018 07:14:40
Anyway, Karius made at least one really good save from a powerful shot long after the first goal, but before their third. He may have been concussed, but I don’t think it affected the result 🤝.

{Ed025's Note - i had a lot of respect for the guy when he held his hands up and said it was his fault and he messed up ron, that has gone out the window now with this latest load of pony, i think he has been ill advised and has lost all credibility..

39.) 05 Jun 2018 08:17:57
Lets hope all this has a good ending and the team comes back stronger and brings home a few trophies next season.




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31 Aug 2018 18:51:57
Seems it’s Anderlecth.




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15 Aug 2018 17:17:08
Currently in talks with Arsenal fro Ospina so that option looks dead in water. I think we will be stuck with him until at least January now.




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08 Aug 2018 17:26:26
Plain and simple guess work by the media.




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21 Jun 2018 21:28:07
The longer he stays the more we pay in wages obviously so makes sense to lower price. I think £5million would attract clubs, same applies to Markovic really.




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18 Jun 2018 19:58:14
Both Sturridge and Markovic are in similar positions in that they are both on good wages and the club want to recoup a lot of the outlay on both. Both will need to reduce wages as well.





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29 Sep 2018 20:24:13
We deserved to win.




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04 Sep 2018 17:32:11
Litmanen and Suso for me.




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02 Sep 2018 09:10:59
Have to say as well Gomez has been excellent at centre back (yesterday was his best game in that position) . We always knew he would move there but he’s got his chance earlier than we thought and he’s took it so well.




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29 Aug 2018 17:16:19
Milner has been good but Wijnaldum has been excellent.




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09 Aug 2018 20:41:00
Have to say been good for a lot of clubs. Looking forward to seeing Everton’s signings as well as Wolves, Fulham’s and see how Meyer does at Palace. Montoya to Brighton as well was a good deal for them.