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17 Aug 2018 23:48:46
Ed002 a question for you if I may - and bear In mind I may be getting things mixed up here.
You can sign ‘unatttached’ players any time right?
I remember you explaining something about buy out or release clauses (can’t rememvwr which) while back, where the club theoretically pays the player to pay his own clause, therefore buying him out his contract.
I’m not trying to find ways to break the rules - just curious - but if a player buys himself out his contract, he is effectively a free agent right?
What stops a club doing this outside the transfer window?


{Ed002's Note - A player who makes himself a free agent outside of a transfer window cannot be signed by another club until the next transfer window as the rules specifically require him to be a free agent before the previous transfer window closes - hence the reason why Claudio Marchisio left Juventus yesterday whilst the transfer window was still open and not today. Clubs can also only pay a player to release himself from his contract in Spain, else the money is taxable so it would be necessary to pay double.}

1.) 18 Aug 2018 10:29:24
Ah so no English team can take Marchisio as he wasn’t a free in their window?
Thanks for the reply, informative as always!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}

2.) 18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.

3.) 19 Aug 2018 00:23:15
Indeed, JK23.

4.) 19 Aug 2018 08:51:46
Isn’t it more about player registration. There are 2 deadline a years, at the end of each window for players to be registered with the FA. If they are not registered by this date they cannot play for the club until the next registration window is open. The only except is free agents, who if they were a free agent at the registration deadline, they can sign and register for a club.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is as I said. It depends when he becomes a free agent. If, for example, Lazar Markovic were to come to agreement with Liverpool of October 1 that they were to end their relationship and he were to become a free agent, he cannot sign with Olympiakos until January 1 when the Greek transfer window opens. However, should Lazio decide they wish to sign Ross Turnbull, they can do so now as he was a free agent during the previous transfer window.}

5.) 19 Aug 2018 11:49:52
That is where I’m getting mixed up Ed, why can marchisio sign for English team of our window is shut, yes Markovic can’t sign for an English team? What am I missing lol.

{Ed002's Note - One is a free agent and one is contracted to Liverpool and can only be loaned.}

6.) 19 Aug 2018 20:19:44
Sorry ed, I meant in your example if Liverpool decided to end their relationship?

{Ed002's Note - He would not have been available when the transfer window was open. There is no way for Liverpool to cheat here. It is all perfectly clear.}

7.) 20 Aug 2018 00:43:42
Yet again a conspiracy against us! Not allowing us to cheat 😡.

8.) 20 Aug 2018 11:19:35
Thats a good move for Turnbull, but I hope he realises its like a foreign country over there!



13 May 2018 22:26:56
We have Keita coming and are linked with another cm. We are losing can. We have been saying for seasons we lack that bite in midfield and maybe Keita adds that, but something noticeable for me, against city and against Roma in the first legs, hendo, Milner, gini or Ox won 80% of lose balls, headers and 50/50s which WA Skye to our quick turnovers and counters for me.

I hope we don't lose that, and if we do sign another cm, I obviously hope they are a good footballer first, and suits our style, but can't help but think that physical edge would be great.
I know we have been loosely linked with Jorginho, but I don't believe he really offers that.
Are we linked with any who do?


1.) 14 May 2018 10:08:47
Do you honestly believe that Klopp would sign a midfielder who wasn't a good footballer or didn't suit our style?
Or couldn't stand up to the hurly burly of the Premiership?

2.) 14 May 2018 11:54:17
He DID sign Steven Caulker on loan at one point. lol.

3.) 14 May 2018 14:03:21
I propose a ban on the mentioning of Caulker on this site, Klopp has had an excellent record in the transfer window for us but every time someone mentions it, someone says caulker.

4.) 14 May 2018 15:16:11
Reynard, he signed him based on the opinion of someone within the club. He decided to trust this persons view and then learnt from it. That is entirely different to his view when signing a player.

5.) 14 May 2018 20:28:02
Loosen up, it's a joke (hence the "lol") . sad lack of humour on here sometimes.



02 Jan 2018 08:23:42
Lijnders left to coach in Holland. All the bed to him, always spoke of very highly by klopp, hopefully can find a good replacement!


1.) 02 Jan 2018 08:40:37
Top guy, best wishes for the future Pep.

2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:06:48
My brother in law tells me that he's a really great guy and he's wonderful to have around. Apparently he was very highly thought of at the club too so that is a big loss to us imo.



24 Dec 2017 17:20:01
Liverpool linked with dani ceballos of madrid, I assume rubbish?


{Ed002's Note - It is sort of correct. Real Madrid have given permission for Dani Ceballos' representativea to approach clubs with a view to a loan before any decision about a sale can be made. The loan will require guarantees of game time. The representatives held meetings in London with Arsenal and Liverpool and have also met Roma and Inter to see what interest there is. It is difficult to see how another central midfield player could be used by Liverpool right now, particularly one on loan, without being disruptive to the team. Inter have someone else arriving so would perhaps not be keen on what is likely to be a high loan fee. Roma I don't know. Arsenal are looking for a central midfield addition in January although there preference is for someone else on a permanent deal - but just perhaps.

Ceballos was watched by Liverpool in the days of Brendan Rodgers.}

1.) 24 Dec 2017 21:29:20
He would fit perfectly in our midfield 8 next season.

2.) 24 Dec 2017 22:56:44
Ron man you were always my favourite poster on Here, recently you been so negative! Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy the dinner, enjoy the wine and please come back to us in January the good ol' Ron because I cannot deal with your negativity!

3.) 25 Dec 2017 08:51:33
Loving the new Ron keep it up and have happy Xmas and new year.

4.) 25 Dec 2017 12:11:18
Maybe both coutinio and can are off in January ed 02. Keitas not coming till the summer so a loan could be an option. I'd prefer we just soldier on with what we've got even if the 2 do go. Llama should be ready to go soon.

5.) 26 Dec 2017 10:37:56
Guys all I did was phrase what Ed002 implied differently.

We stockpile midfielders to a pathological degree and unless we are going to play 8 at once it is totally futile.
Grujic has yet to play a game, Lallana has been injured all season, Woodburn never gets a game, Ejaria seemed to be permanent unused sub last season, Keita is coming, plenty of people plead for a new contract for Can, we’ve just signed Oxlade Chamberlain.

We need defenders!

6.) 26 Dec 2017 14:00:26
So you've named all the midfielders who don't play, not sure how they are relevant as the majority are youngsters trying to establish themselves. That leaves Hendo, wiji, Milner, lallana, can and couts (who both look like leaving) that's not quite 8. so you think him signing on loan til the end of the year would require us to play 8 midfielders? Any excuse to moan these days Ron.

7.) 27 Dec 2017 09:31:12
Agree with Ron. Only 2 of those are youngsters and his response is including the fact that every other thread is about another midfielder we're going to sign. I guess unlike some he is joining up the site as a whole not just viewing each post in isolation. Need is for some better experienced defenders that suit what the club needs. Not another 3-4 midfielders. Personally I'd rather see an out and out natural greedy finisher before see another midfielder.



31 Aug 2017 01:07:56
few rumours about Thomas muller on loan - lemar to sign next season and muller for this?!





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11 Nov 2018 11:46:37
Glad we are just playing the two actual centre mids today, think it works much better in games like this. When we have the three, the two wider drop to full back positions, and the other holds, making it hard to get the ball into the forwards when the defence is deep. Today, we know shaq will roam and Firmino will drop in, but hopefully there is a good transition from midfield to attack. Pretty much out Achilles heel game this, early start, bottom of the league opponent, after a bad loss away in Europe. Let’s bounce back today!


1.) 11 Nov 2018 17:27:03
How much good did hendo and fabinho look next to eachother. Thag is a hell of a base to build from the midfield. They will dominate games!



02 Nov 2018 08:17:12
Reading about Fabinho being unsettled, is this nonsense? Ed 025 I know you think you’d rubbish, and only does well versus the Huddersfield’s, but so what, if he dominates them, we have struggled so badly against those types of teams, why not have a player who can dominate them? Maybe he won’t be as good versus the top 6, but I think he’s still got stuff to offer. He sits in when needed, puts himself about, I’m sure ozil won’t want him about.


{Ed025's Note - i just dont get this rotation in midfield firmane, for me you play your strongest players and imo fab is not one of them, if a player gets injured then fair enough but continuity is also important especially in the engine room and it could be the reason why the front three have not been firing mate..

1.) 02 Nov 2018 20:06:26
Ed just admit you know nothing about Fabinho but made a statement about him being a lemon so now you can’t go back on it.
The guy has been impressive so far and was impressive enough at Monaco to have Man Utd and PSG sniffing his backside.
This ‘I don’t think he’s good enough’ mantra is bordering on ridiculous mate. Especially when you said Gomes is one of the best in the league!
Give it up man! Admit you were wrong! 😉.

{Ed025's Note - i watched quite a bit of him for monaco bobby, thats where i made up my mind on him mate, you have probably only seen him in a liverpool shirt and i know you dont like dissing your own so im giving you the benefit of the doubt, by the way mistakes are often made by managers and its no big deal these days, man city tried to sign fred ffs so no one gets it right all the time..

2.) 03 Nov 2018 04:14:20
To be fair to Fred Ed025, Mourinho could make Alexis Sanchez look like Stewart Downing. Oh wait.

{Ed001's Note - if he has watched him for Monaco and doesn't rate him, then I fear for his judgement as he clearly does not see what a good footballer does. Fabinho was outstanding last season.}

3.) 02 Nov 2018 22:00:31
Yeah, Ed25. Fab has only been here a few month so let us give him time to either prove you right or wrong, shall we? Also, This is not about "not wanting to diss your own" cos after all, many of us believe Matip, Moreno and Lallana in some way, are no longer up to scratch. The prob here is that you are trying to convince us that Fab is a lemon cos "you saw him play at Monaco". That does not mean much cos you think he is a lemon whereas Utd moved heaven and earth to try to sign him but could not so are they wrong or are they lemons too?

You're going to need a lot more than that to convince us of this opinion, man cos all you have is an opinion and nothing more. The only thing that can prove you right or wrong is what he does in the PL and passing judgement on him while he is still settling, in a bid to support your "lemon" opinion, is unfair.

{Ed025's Note - im off his case now brover, no doubt he will turn out to be a liverpool great and i will be beaten with the "lemon" stick for the rest of my days...peace..

4.) 03 Nov 2018 09:01:07
I think Ed025 sees us as too easy and just loves winding us up! ;)

{Ed025's Note - there is a little bit of that lamborini but i look at players and make an assessment on them, but it is just my take and my view on their ability and how they will fit a certain team, i am not right all the time though mate...i got one wrong back in 1978 i think it was.. :)

5.) 03 Nov 2018 09:37:21
Fabinho was great for Monaco, so good in fact he made Bakayoko look like a £40million player.

{Ed025's Note - bakayoko is bloody awful den, french football is terrible on the whole which is why even liverpool beat their champions this year.. :)

6.) 03 Nov 2018 14:16:57
The flaw in your argument, Ed025, is that nobody here is arguing or using Fabinho's play at Monaco to judge him. Mostly you are. Everybody's comments are about his performances in a LFC shirt, where he has been stellar, when playing. You've agreed he did very well against Huddersfield, but most of us would say he's been just as good against the other teams he's played against. All I know is that Klopp does not suffer fools or underperformers, and we don't exactly have a major injury crisis now in midfield, do we? Hendo and Milner may have slight niggles, and you can argue that Klopp is protecting, rotating or managing the midfield, but the point is still that the best possible midfield is being put out there for each game. That's Klopp's style.

{Ed025's Note - i believe you mate...thousands would,nt.. :)



28 Oct 2018 10:49:57
With Trent being touted for a future cm, it’s got me thinking about players who have done the same, and there seems to be more players who switch between full back and midfield than any other position. Fabinho, can, lahm, alaba, kimmich, sergi roberto, Milner, amartey, blind, Delph to name a few. Is it just the physicality of both positions is similar - e. g stamina and strength needed, a bit of pace at least? Or is it just those players are adaptable?


1.) 28 Oct 2018 10:57:53
I know everyone says it about Trent. But I go the the other way with this one, I see him sticking there and being one of the best full backs in the world in a few years.

2.) 28 Oct 2018 11:08:13
Would Trent get regular starts in midfield? We currently have a highly compentent international contingent group of players already competing for the 3 slots. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never heard Klopp mention him playing in midfield in the future. Taa is doing a Fantastic job at Rb for me.

3.) 28 Oct 2018 11:24:00
Gerrard also started at full back. I see Trent differently than LiverpoolFC8. I think he has too much quality to be wasted at full back his whole career.

4.) 28 Oct 2018 12:08:34
Irish I think there’s a few legends out there who would argue that fullback isn’t a wasted position mate (Carlos and Cafu being 2 of them) . I think in the olden days Fb was a undervalued position but these days and especially under Klopp lb and rb are 2 of our key positions on the pitch. Roberston and Taa have licence to thrill and probably see just as much of the ball as the midfield 3. And probably have more licence to go forward than them as well.

5.) 28 Oct 2018 12:20:15
One of TAA's best attributes is his ability to whip a ball in from the wing, I kind of feel he'll be wasted in the middle as he won't be able to utilise what he's best at.

6.) 28 Oct 2018 12:32:46
Yeah Gerrard started at rb, I dunno really, I agree trent has a great cross but also he does get himself skinned now and then. I think he is a natural mid fielder and thus is sometimes caught out of position. However he played midfield once last season and he wasn't amazing. Also, did he not play cm in the league Cup this year? Or am I thinking of last season.

Liverpool have some amazing players in midfield, I think it will be hard for him to break into the middle. That said I would love to see him get there. He is too good to be a rb forever even though rbs are much more attacking these days.

7.) 28 Oct 2018 12:34:18
I think TAA is just fine where he is. He is still very young and still has much to prove in terms of defensive abilities if he is to be moved to DM or CM. Whipping a cross is not the same as having range in making a variety of passes, which midfielders must excel at. I actually think that, at this moment, Gomez would make a better DM than TAA. You'll laugh, but think about it. And I don't think TAA's offensive abilities are as good as Gerrard's. I think the kid has gotten to where he never dreamed of before, and it's best to leave him alone where he is and just let him progress. He'll be the first to tell you that he would absolutely be over the Moon if he was known as the English Cafu or Roberto Carlos by the end of his career.

{Ed001's Note - Trent is a better passer than he is a crosser mate.}

8.) 28 Oct 2018 12:53:12
Noted Ed001, and thanks. Something I did not notice before and will look for, during games. If you agree that he can/ should be moved to the midfield, which position do you see him doing well at?

{Ed001's Note - for me his perfect role would be as one of a midfield 3, when we play one behind 2 and he would be one of the two. Our normal system in other words. He is a really good passer, has excellent vision, whereas when crossing he tends to be having to hit it while running at pace, he is better when he can be coming on to the play to pick his pass. He can defo make a great career at full-back, but it would underuse his talents imo.}

9.) 28 Oct 2018 13:04:40
Nice idea about gomez as a dm though.

10.) 28 Oct 2018 13:22:22
Thanks Ed001. Thanks Robbiesline too, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Gomez is fine where is he too, LOL.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

11.) 28 Oct 2018 16:01:33
Yeah of course gomez has trained as a cb for years but he is comfortable on the ball and can pass. It may work but yeah, it won't happen. I see trent as more an am rather than a dm.

12.) 28 Oct 2018 19:36:31
Interesting idea that developing into a world-class full back might be a “waste”. I think that would make him a shoe-in for a decade and a position we don’t have to worry about. It’s not a “waste” to be brilliant at any position.

13.) 28 Oct 2018 19:39:01
I imagine as Hendo, Gini and Milner get older we will see them being phased out for players like Arnold, Jones and maybe Woodburn, for now though Arnold is getting all the experience he needs at right back and is still better than 99% of players who have played that position their entire careers.

14.) 28 Oct 2018 23:17:19
Ed01 if TAA is a better [passer than a crosser then I am eager to see what he would be like in midfield. Why? Some of his crosses are a striker's dream.

{Ed001's Note - yes but that some is the big thing, he struggles to control his crosses because he is running at pace. Putting him in midfield makes it easier for him to control the ball he plays as he is not usually running at a sprint when he plays it.}



08 Oct 2018 23:43:05
Ed001, a couple questions if i may, probably will seem a little pessimist!
Firstly, Keita, do you think he has underestimated the difficulty of the premier league? I know it’s very early doors, but I’ve heard things like he thought he was big time towards the end of his RBL time, and his passes seem lazy and 80% at times. He also seems to think he can run past players without doubt anything but running - maybe he could in ligue one.
Also Klopp. his subs, has he always been this reluctant to change things? I know the old cliche of ‘can’t change it now’ mayb applied for the last ten of Napoli and city, but given the late goal, and the should have been late goal at city, it isn’t really working, we looked toothless in both games. I also get a draw in either is fairly good going. But mane and salah were quiet in both, I don’t see how bringing Shaqiri on could have ruined that. Or giving Sturridge more than 3/ 4 minutes. similarly, when he is 2-3 up, he waits until late to change it then, when he seems concerned about fatigue a lot of the time? There must be something I am missing?


{Ed001's Note - no. I can't believe anyone is attempting to judge him yet. He has barely played. This is pointless. We are joint top of the league and still you are all looking for someone to blame.}

1.) 09 Oct 2018 13:50:51
YOU leave my Naby Alone!

2.) 09 Oct 2018 15:10:32
Of course Keita has moved up a notch, he plays for Liverpool now and we have a few very good centre mids. The level has gone up but that will bring the best out of him.

3.) 09 Oct 2018 18:54:41
Firmane, sounds like you are looking for someone to blame for what I haven't the slightest idea of. Things aren't going the way we want BUT that does not remove from the progress we have made so far. This is our best start in the PL era (even Rafa did not do this) YET you seem to focus on what is not going right. Baffling really.

We are joint top with City and Chelsea who couldn't beat us so again, why are you panicking? Chill out man. Would you prefer us scoring loads of goals and YET being 7 points off the top like we were at the start of last season? If the answer is no then where's the beef? We went trhu a brutal run (no other top 6 team had the schedule we had) and yet here we are. Still standing. Listen, I get it. I know It's difficult for everyone right now to get going BUT we are where we want to be until we improve. Isn't that what we all wanted going into this season or will people keep banging on and on about what is not going right INSTEAD of focusing on what is actually going right? Cool down man, seriously.

4.) 09 Oct 2018 21:03:53
Firmane might I point you in the direction of the article I wrote on him about his progress so far. And to the rest of you - apparently the article was needed :-)



15 Sep 2018 16:06:06
Caught the first half and then had my own match - glad we held on! Not sure about the second but we looked in control to me, even when spurs had their ‘spell’ what did they do? Once Keita gets the cohesion with the front three and they pick up we will blow teams away but it’s great we keep winning anyway!


1.) 15 Sep 2018 17:58:49
Largely had control in the second half too imo. Lucas Moura hit the post shortly before our second goal (and not long after Robertson had hit the top of the bar for us), but apart from that, I don't think they even got a half chance until after the 80th minute.

We should've been over the hill and far away by that stage. We had a couple of 3 v 3 or even 4 v 3 breaks where we picked the wrong option and didn't score.

2.) 15 Sep 2018 22:01:43
“Once Kieta gets the cohesion”
True! Only if he is played to his strength! Keita is a central player. Drops deep, picks the ball and run with it forward and pick a pass! He is never a LCM or someone who have ever played in a 3 men midfield. Watch his spells at RBL over the last two years!

3.) 16 Sep 2018 00:04:04
It doesn’t matter where Keita played at RB Leipzig, he is a Liverpool player now and he plays where is best for Liverpool. He is young enough and good enough to learn how to play in a slightly different position and he’ll be a better player for it. Don’t forget Firmino wasn’t a striker before Klopp came along and now he is one of the best in the world.

4.) 16 Sep 2018 09:41:08
Oh it does! Which is exactly why you buy a player for certain position based on his attributes. If he played poor at RBL we wouldn’t have splashed ££ on him.
There is hardly anything for him to learn and you are missing the point here. The critical point. Just like Brendan played both Can and Firmino ouf of their true position we must not play Kieta anywhere in the midfield and expect him to unlock defense or score goals.
He is such a natural talent blessed with excellent abilities on the ball. Kieta will never fit in a 3 men midfield out wide. We could certainly try!

5.) 16 Sep 2018 09:42:03
Missed the game as I’m in Florida atm (hols) haven’t missed the so called banter 3 points away to spurs is always a good result regardless. Well in boys.




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02 Nov 2018 08:09:39
Is it putting two and two together or would they still want him?


{Ed002's Note - They have a list of five DM players I know they have been looking at - I suspect if offered on loan they would be open to the idea.}



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21 Oct 2018 13:24:25
I think salah looks like he needs a break. He is turning into players, his touch is off and his finishing is too. I think he is mentally drained, from last season, the injury and the Egypt fa thing. Give him a week off, recoup and come back stronger.




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21 Oct 2018 13:21:21
I’m kind of thinking we will get caught out soon, but at the same time we are conserving energy for a long season. City look impressive again, and we will need them to drop points, but as long as we keep going like this, we will be in the mix. I think the fact Keita Fabinho and Shaqiri have barely got going yet is a positive, as they will come in and hopefully improve us. I’d say in January, we just need a left back to back up Robertson, as we’re okay if we lose Trent Gomez or Van Dijk (just), but Moreno would be a weak link. Otherwise, I feel any players needs a Rest and we are okay, and that’s a position we haven’t been in in a long time.




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03 Oct 2018 00:27:05
Laxalt is primarily a left mid but can play left back right? Can see him in for Moreno?


{Ed002's Note - No, he played LB in the World Cup but that would not be what the club are interested in.}



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30 Sep 2018 11:44:25
Agreed, we we’re all worried about the chances he was missing by this time last year. We need the front three firing, and as soon as salah takes a couple chances he will be fine. I think we need Keita to cement his place first, meaning they can’t double up on salah as easily, as then we will have Firmino mane and Keita to worry about still.





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10 Nov 2018 11:24:44
Good idea for the statue at Leicester, just make sure they don’t hire the guy that did salahs or Ronaldos!




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09 Nov 2018 08:02:53
It’s a good point about Ramos ed, considering how many red cards he gets, and how much else he does wrong, he doesn’t seem to get much additional punishment beyond the standard?


{Ed001's Note - he never gets additional punishment from what I can see.}



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28 Oct 2018 10:36:49
Hmm I’m still thinking salahs goal to smile ratio needs some work on the training field.




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25 Oct 2018 08:09:51
Fabinho and Gini always seemed to pick up the ball in the full back position, and transition it forward quickly, allowing the full backs to push up. They made us tick. I’ve never seen our midfield look so quick, Gini seemed to have a burst of pace missing recently. Loved it!




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25 Oct 2018 08:06:20
Standing ovation when he came off. Wasn’t perfect but as you said, great attitude and produces moments of magic regularly. Good piece of business.