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17 Aug 2018 23:48:46
Ed002 a question for you if I may - and bear In mind I may be getting things mixed up here.
You can sign ‘unatttached’ players any time right?
I remember you explaining something about buy out or release clauses (can’t rememvwr which) while back, where the club theoretically pays the player to pay his own clause, therefore buying him out his contract.
I’m not trying to find ways to break the rules - just curious - but if a player buys himself out his contract, he is effectively a free agent right?
What stops a club doing this outside the transfer window?

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - A player who makes himself a free agent outside of a transfer window cannot be signed by another club until the next transfer window as the rules specifically require him to be a free agent before the previous transfer window closes - hence the reason why Claudio Marchisio left Juventus yesterday whilst the transfer window was still open and not today. Clubs can also only pay a player to release himself from his contract in Spain, else the money is taxable so it would be necessary to pay double.}


1.) 18 Aug 2018 10:29:24
Ah so no English team can take Marchisio as he wasn’t a free in their window?
Thanks for the reply, informative as always!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}


2.) 18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.


3.) 19 Aug 2018 00:23:15
Indeed, JK23.


4.) 19 Aug 2018 08:51:46
Isn’t it more about player registration. There are 2 deadline a years, at the end of each window for players to be registered with the FA. If they are not registered by this date they cannot play for the club until the next registration window is open. The only except is free agents, who if they were a free agent at the registration deadline, they can sign and register for a club.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is as I said. It depends when he becomes a free agent. If, for example, Lazar Markovic were to come to agreement with Liverpool of October 1 that they were to end their relationship and he were to become a free agent, he cannot sign with Olympiakos until January 1 when the Greek transfer window opens. However, should Lazio decide they wish to sign Ross Turnbull, they can do so now as he was a free agent during the previous transfer window.}


5.) 19 Aug 2018 11:49:52
That is where I’m getting mixed up Ed, why can marchisio sign for English team of our window is shut, yes Markovic can’t sign for an English team? What am I missing lol.

{Ed002's Note - One is a free agent and one is contracted to Liverpool and can only be loaned.}


6.) 19 Aug 2018 20:19:44
Sorry ed, I meant in your example if Liverpool decided to end their relationship?

{Ed002's Note - He would not have been available when the transfer window was open. There is no way for Liverpool to cheat here. It is all perfectly clear.}


7.) 20 Aug 2018 00:43:42
Yet again a conspiracy against us! Not allowing us to cheat 😡.


8.) 20 Aug 2018 11:19:35
Thats a good move for Turnbull, but I hope he realises its like a foreign country over there!


 

 

13 May 2018 22:26:56
We have Keita coming and are linked with another cm. We are losing can. We have been saying for seasons we lack that bite in midfield and maybe Keita adds that, but something noticeable for me, against city and against Roma in the first legs, hendo, Milner, gini or Ox won 80% of lose balls, headers and 50/50s which WA Skye to our quick turnovers and counters for me.

I hope we don't lose that, and if we do sign another cm, I obviously hope they are a good footballer first, and suits our style, but can't help but think that physical edge would be great.
I know we have been loosely linked with Jorginho, but I don't believe he really offers that.
Are we linked with any who do?

Firmane

1.) 14 May 2018 10:08:47
Do you honestly believe that Klopp would sign a midfielder who wasn't a good footballer or didn't suit our style?
Or couldn't stand up to the hurly burly of the Premiership?


2.) 14 May 2018 11:54:17
He DID sign Steven Caulker on loan at one point. lol.


3.) 14 May 2018 14:03:21
I propose a ban on the mentioning of Caulker on this site, Klopp has had an excellent record in the transfer window for us but every time someone mentions it, someone says caulker.


4.) 14 May 2018 15:16:11
Reynard, he signed him based on the opinion of someone within the club. He decided to trust this persons view and then learnt from it. That is entirely different to his view when signing a player.


5.) 14 May 2018 20:28:02
Loosen up, it's a joke (hence the "lol") . sad lack of humour on here sometimes.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 08:23:42
Lijnders left to coach in Holland. All the bed to him, always spoke of very highly by klopp, hopefully can find a good replacement!

Firmane

1.) 02 Jan 2018 08:40:37
Top guy, best wishes for the future Pep.


2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:06:48
My brother in law tells me that he's a really great guy and he's wonderful to have around. Apparently he was very highly thought of at the club too so that is a big loss to us imo.


 

 

24 Dec 2017 17:20:01
Liverpool linked with dani ceballos of madrid, I assume rubbish?

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - It is sort of correct. Real Madrid have given permission for Dani Ceballos' representativea to approach clubs with a view to a loan before any decision about a sale can be made. The loan will require guarantees of game time. The representatives held meetings in London with Arsenal and Liverpool and have also met Roma and Inter to see what interest there is. It is difficult to see how another central midfield player could be used by Liverpool right now, particularly one on loan, without being disruptive to the team. Inter have someone else arriving so would perhaps not be keen on what is likely to be a high loan fee. Roma I don't know. Arsenal are looking for a central midfield addition in January although there preference is for someone else on a permanent deal - but just perhaps.

Ceballos was watched by Liverpool in the days of Brendan Rodgers.}


1.) 24 Dec 2017 21:29:20
He would fit perfectly in our midfield 8 next season.


2.) 24 Dec 2017 22:56:44
Ron man you were always my favourite poster on Here, recently you been so negative! Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy the dinner, enjoy the wine and please come back to us in January the good ol' Ron because I cannot deal with your negativity!


3.) 25 Dec 2017 08:51:33
Loving the new Ron keep it up and have happy Xmas and new year.


4.) 25 Dec 2017 12:11:18
Maybe both coutinio and can are off in January ed 02. Keitas not coming till the summer so a loan could be an option. I'd prefer we just soldier on with what we've got even if the 2 do go. Llama should be ready to go soon.


5.) 26 Dec 2017 10:37:56
Guys all I did was phrase what Ed002 implied differently.

We stockpile midfielders to a pathological degree and unless we are going to play 8 at once it is totally futile.
Grujic has yet to play a game, Lallana has been injured all season, Woodburn never gets a game, Ejaria seemed to be permanent unused sub last season, Keita is coming, plenty of people plead for a new contract for Can, we’ve just signed Oxlade Chamberlain.

We need defenders!


6.) 26 Dec 2017 14:00:26
So you've named all the midfielders who don't play, not sure how they are relevant as the majority are youngsters trying to establish themselves. That leaves Hendo, wiji, Milner, lallana, can and couts (who both look like leaving) that's not quite 8. so you think him signing on loan til the end of the year would require us to play 8 midfielders? Any excuse to moan these days Ron.


7.) 27 Dec 2017 09:31:12
Agree with Ron. Only 2 of those are youngsters and his response is including the fact that every other thread is about another midfielder we're going to sign. I guess unlike some he is joining up the site as a whole not just viewing each post in isolation. Need is for some better experienced defenders that suit what the club needs. Not another 3-4 midfielders. Personally I'd rather see an out and out natural greedy finisher before see another midfielder.


 

 

31 Aug 2017 01:07:56
few rumours about Thomas muller on loan - lemar to sign next season and muller for this?!

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15 Jan 2019 23:51:09
If taa is out for a few weeks, I wouldn’t rush Gomez back. Milner can play right back and Fabinho did just fine Saturday. If Gini has a knock, we still have Keita hendo and Shaqiri to play in the middle. Might say it’s a little attacking, but with the CL looming and vvd out for that, I don’t think we should risk Gomez.
Anyone else think Gomez and Fabinho might be our second best centre half pairing?

Firmane

1.) 16 Jan 2019 07:09:25
You are completely forgetting Matip who is fit.


2.) 16 Jan 2019 07:25:01
Matip? he is a defender. VVD and Matip are our second best shot. Since VVD is out of our first game against bayern it should be Gomez and Matip.


3.) 16 Jan 2019 09:28:13
Anyone in the youth ranks capable of covering RB?


 

 

18 Dec 2018 00:17:21
Munich huh? Good time to play them, aging, struggling a little in the league.
no vvd is huge, hopefully we will have lorevn and gomez fit for that one. Lewandowski isn’t the strongest or biggest but is good finisher and can win headers.
I think a lot of their players are overrated, thiago, boateng, hummels kimmich. but they still can play nice football. I think if we hit them hard, could easily be a 3 nil, if we’re on form. If we let them settle, then it will be a different story. Need to find our clinical edge for this one!

Firmane

1.) 18 Dec 2018 01:16:22
I would not include Kimmich in that list. Best rounded full back in the world imo.
Completely agree with the rest of their players. Overrated and past their best.


2.) 18 Dec 2018 07:51:07
Why can't van dijke play?

{Ed001's Note - he is suspended for the first leg after his yellow against Napoli.}


3.) 18 Dec 2018 09:11:39
I thought cards got wiped clean when you leave the group stages and enter the knockout rounds. Obviously picked that up wrong a long the way somewhere.

{Ed001's Note - they are. If he had avoided picking one up, then any ones he had previously would have been wiped.}


4.) 18 Dec 2018 17:43:59
Did you not see kimmich at the World Cup, he may as well have played up front. Hopefully mane can exploit him.


 

 

15 Dec 2018 19:50:12
You know we have the Macca rumours? Can we make the rumours page, ‘Firminosteeth’ rumours?

Firmane

1.) 15 Dec 2018 22:38:32
I still chuckle at whoever called him piano keys! 😂😂 quality!


2.) 15 Dec 2018 23:55:52
No need, just read the daily mail.


 

 

13 Dec 2018 10:03:12
Ed001, I have a question for you if I may?
How good was Ian rush?
His goal scoring speaks for itself but he is never really mentioned when it comes to favourite players or best players people have seen.
A lot of videos I have seen of him, he seems to be charging thought the defence and finishing well, was that his game? Great finisher with good pace?
Thanks for any input!

Firmane

{Ed001's Note - Rush was simply world class. When he was at Juventus, they used to say that having him was like having a Ferrari with no engine, as he was brilliant but the team around him was nowhere near his level. He was far more than a pacey finisher. He was the first line of defence, stopping opposition teams from playing out from the back as he would be running around giving them no time on the ball. The timing of his runs was superb as well, unlike say Inzaghi, who would make 50 runs in the hope of getting one right, Rush would make 50 runs and almost always stay onside.

The reason why no one mentions him as the best is that he played alongside the greatest player the club has ever had - Kenny Dalglish. He was so good that no one could compare.}


1.) 13 Dec 2018 12:25:27
Wow 😯 😮 😲.


2.) 13 Dec 2018 13:38:11
Rush would be worth 150 million today.


3.) 13 Dec 2018 13:50:34
My dad is a massive Ian Rush fan. Says he's the best striker he's ever seen play football.

{Ed001's Note - can't argue with that.}


4.) 13 Dec 2018 14:15:23
Yeah and the rest WR mate.


5.) 13 Dec 2018 16:02:26
Thanks ed! That’s what confuses me a little, people pick their best teams in memory and it’s always Torres, suarez up front. he just seemed like the complete package!

{Ed001's Note - he was a long way ahead of the likes of Torres for me, but it is difficult to compare them as they are totally different players.}


6.) 13 Dec 2018 16:27:09
Firmane, its also got a lot to do with age. A lot of people on this site are in their early 30s, 20s or younger so in their time its been players like Torres, Suarez, maybe Owen and Fowler.

I'm in my 40s so although I din't get to see the best of Kenny (he was retiring/ taking up the player manager role when I started following) I still remember how fantastic Rush was! However, even for me in my dotage, the memories fade a bit over time!

I know some of the Eds were waxing lyrical about Elisha Scott vs Dixie Dean, but that's a little before my time!


7.) 13 Dec 2018 18:25:32
I was always curious what happened there. Why was he ever sold to Juve then loaned back the same season, and after one season in Juve purchased back in Liverpool. What happened there?


8.) 13 Dec 2018 18:46:29
It's a good job he drank lots of milk or he'd have been playing for Accrington Stanley.


9.) 13 Dec 2018 19:37:03
That's interesting ED01 re your Ferrari comment, i was always under the impression that Rush failed to settle in Italy and him and his transfer was deemed somewhat of a failure?

{Ed001's Note - not according to Juve fans he wasn't. The team was a mess when he joined and he got absolutely no service.}


10.) 13 Dec 2018 19:58:59
Rush’s greatest asset was his uncannot timing to beat the offside trap.
He’d run at about 80% pace almost vertically inside the back four and then suddenly veer and accelerate through a space between defenders to run onto a through ball.
It was almost genius and it’s a skill that seems to have gone these days.
I used to argue with a mate at work (in the 90s) about who was the best striker we’d seen, I’d say Rush and he’d say Greaves.


11.) 13 Dec 2018 22:00:51
Been watching us since 1974 and Rushie is the best striker we've ever had in my time, can remember my grandad saying he was the best we've had and he started going to games in 1912.


12.) 13 Dec 2018 22:19:16
I was a young Welsh lad in the 80s so rush and in fact Saunders were big favourites of mine. Though I can't remember much.
I do remember a quiz once, some one please correct me, but at the time of quiz, Ian rush had zero bookings in his career. Absolute goal machine.
Seems like a gent too.


13.) 14 Dec 2018 09:00:52
Rush the best striker that I’ve seen live. As a 10yr old I was completely infatuated with his brilliance. Didn’t dig the tash much.


 

 

11 Dec 2018 19:15:41
Team selection looks too defensive for me, 3 similar players with not much creativity - seems we are playing to not lose. I’d rather we went for it, if you want to be defensively sound, pick Fabinho and say hendo, but then make the other Shaqiri or Keita.
Hope Matip turns up too!

Firmane

1.) 11 Dec 2018 19:41:59
We must be concentrating on the league.


2.) 11 Dec 2018 21:03:03
And what play Thursday nite football instead? I doubt it.


3.) 11 Dec 2018 22:51:01
And then, we woke up and found that said midfield played a blinder and LFC qualified for the next round. How sweet it is.


4.) 12 Dec 2018 07:15:18
Yup. That midfield was the key to the whole game. Klopp got his selections right, because he knew the experienced ones would step up.


 

 

 

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10 Jan 2019 13:22:09
We don’t need box to box or holding players, we need creativity!

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10 Jan 2019 13:21:40
He may be avergae, but would an avergae youngish cb not be better than two who can’t play more than 5 games In a row. We’ve said even Matip and Lovren can look good next to Van Dijk!

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09 Jan 2019 09:54:48
Is he getting a new contract or are we effectively releasing him?

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07 Jan 2019 23:00:04
What’s Ian rush got to do with this club, what’s Steven Gerrard? Can’t mention them anywhere as they are past players, and therefore no longer allowed on a Liverpool forum.

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07 Jan 2019 22:58:29
Let’s be honest, Matip and Lovren can’t stay fit, if one of those was to go and someone come in, it doesn’t say anything to Gomez. Just cos he’s playing well you can’t expect the club not to cover themselves. It’s showing now you can’t have three injury prone cbs. Also Gomez and vvd can’t play every game. Adequate cover is needed.

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17 Jan 2019 18:03:52
It’s his first full season playing at a good standard, he’s not going to be the finished article. Playing with salah and mane should help, draw the attention away from him, and he has the quality to make a difference. He deserves a shot pre season at the very least.

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17 Jan 2019 18:01:37
If a club has 30 players shortlisted for transfer and Klopp speaks to all of them, it’s going to cause huge issues. Clubs won’t be happy, players what push for moves even though they are not really in consideration. The player may be thinking about Liverpool Rather than their own team. How would we like it if the Madrid manager spoke to salah mane and Firmino and said he thinks they are good, they should be on more money and he would like to buy them. He then goes and buys hazard and all three players want more money, have asked to go Madrid and have lost focus?

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17 Jan 2019 17:57:14
I don’t understand how no one wants him, he had spells where he was okay, not Liverpool quality, but good enough for mid table European teams. I’d take a punt on him for 10-15 million if I was a Europa league quality team like sporting or a Spanish club.

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - No one will pay that for him - he can sign a pre-contract agreement for nothing. Liverpool have wrecked his career - and paid handsomely to do it.}


 

 

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17 Jan 2019 14:08:57
Money aside, do you not think he will stay and fight ed? If it’s his dream move like he thought, how can you give up so quickly. Even if you are not in favour, put in the shifts in training. I think he should be aiming for a midfield spot, Busquets rakitic Arthur etc, can’t offer what he can.

Firmane

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09 Jan 2019 09:56:30
Brighton is crucial! With one fit cb and after a bad week or two we have to keep a four point gap. Going from 7 to 1 or 2 in a fortnight would give city a huge boost and us a mental beating. Brighton is where we get back to business!

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