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26 Nov 2014 18:43:22
Team: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Toure, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, Sterling, Lambert

Be interesting to see how Gerrard and Lucas are deployed. I'm assuming it'll be a diamond with Gerrard at the tip and Lucas at the base, but I'm worried that it'll be both of them as DMs which didn't exactly work against West Ham.

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21 May 2017 17:00:48
Well gentlemen, the overwhelming emotion is relief. We did just enough over the season.

Yeah, with our sensible hats on we'd have probably accepted 4th place at the start of the season as progress, but with the way the season panned out, it's really disappointing we didn't do better.

Outside of Chelsea the league was absolute toilet this season, we were right up with Chelsea at the new year, had the best record against the top 6 (suggesting we're the best side when we actually turn up) and had we played to our best in just handful more games we'd have been right up there with them. That should be the target next season. Not 4th. Not "progress". Title challenge.

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{Ed001's Note - not sure how you figure out it was toilet, Spurs put a fantastic set of results together and Arsenal have the highest point total that has failed to finish in the top 4.}


1.) 21 May 2017 17:09:30
Great result and a superb achievement to finish only 2 pts
behind Man City with their huge budget and squad.
Jurgen Klopp has done a fantastic job considering all the injuries to key players and a much weaker squad.
Well done Jurgen
Well done lads.

YNWA.


2.) 21 May 2017 17:18:20
I just don't think the quality of football that was there a few years ago is here now. Arsenal missing out with a high points total just means it was close at the top. It doesn't mean it was good. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair on Spurs, I'll give you that. But City never impressed me over the season and were 3rd, we struggled to break down teams for half a season and yet Arsenal and Man U were too poor to catch us.

English sides have been poor in Europe (except Man U, who have only had to face one decent team in Celta Vigo) this season too.

{Ed001's Note - far from absolute toilet, especially in comparison to last season, which was the worst level I have ever seen. There were a lot of dross sides, but the top 7 all stepped up a level from the last few years.

As for Europe I really do not care to be honest, English sides were going to struggle this season as the best team never qualified. So it was also rans in there. As for Celta Vigo, they are not a decent side, they are a midtable team in a league with just 3 good teams. They are decent technically on the ball, but they are hopeless defensively and have no money to invest to bring in better players. Though that is no excuse for their complete lack of organisation defensively.}


3.) 21 May 2017 17:22:18
Some ladies here too!

{Ed001's Note - where???}


4.) 21 May 2017 17:24:43
A post of 2 halves. Agree with 1st half of the post but sadly the 2nd half of the post is 'toilet'. ed001 spot on. This has been a strong league. In some years the number of points Spurs have amassed would have been enough to win the league.


5.) 21 May 2017 17:51:59
Ed001, you cheeky mare!

{Ed001's Note - why thank you KB, that is the nicest thing I have been called in months. Years actually.}


6.) 21 May 2017 18:07:04
Chelsea has been extraordinarily consistent, so have Spurs - those two deserved their position. City and Liverpool deserved third and fourth as both played decent football at times but City more for the depth of talent and Liverpool due to some great team play. Arsenal and Utd have been very hit and miss. particularly Utd who have not been playing as a team.


7.) 21 May 2017 18:38:17
Is Ed001 flirting? I'm going to blow chunks.

{Ed001's Note - with who? Anyone using the name Kate Bush is obviously old enough for Ed025, not me!}


8.) 21 May 2017 18:53:47
Arsenal got more points this season than last season when they were runners up.


9.) 21 May 2017 18:50:35
Reckon I'm younger than you ed! Not much tho.

{Ed001's Note - I am only 21....}


10.) 21 May 2017 19:16:15
I'm 14.

{Ed001's Note - yeah right, no one 14 has even heard of Kate Bush, unless their grandparents like her. Me dad used to love her for some reason. Never understood why, her voice is like nails being dragged down a blackboard.}


 

 

07 May 2017 17:16:01
At least Arsenal are doing us a favour.

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29 Apr 2017 17:13:51
inb4 people start suggesting we sign Defoe as a squad option now that Sunderland are relegated.

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1.) 29 Apr 2017 18:13:09
What about Anichebe? ;)


2.) 29 Apr 2017 18:46:15
I'd prefer Tony Yeboah, he'd give us options on the bench 😂.


3.) 29 Apr 2017 20:31:17
Or kevin francis.


4.) 29 Apr 2017 20:29:53
Defoe has only two qualities

1. Shoot from distance, anywhere and everywhere

2. Shoot from distance, anywhere and everywhere.


5.) 29 Apr 2017 22:44:07
He's a goal getter, no doubt about that. Not for us though.


6.) 29 Apr 2017 23:05:10
That other sharpshooter Borini will be better value.


7.) 29 Apr 2017 23:11:05
Kevin Francis = Stockport legend! Used to watch County quite a lot. Turned up to York 5 mins late once and he'd bagged 2 goals already.
We could always re-sign Crouch.


 

 

24 Apr 2017 18:11:52
Time to talk about lack of leadership and poor mentality again.

For the second goal, Townsend hits a shocking corner, Firmino, Matip and Lucas are all easily in place to deal with it, and none of them do. Firmino is put off too easily, it goes through Matip, and Lucas has gotten out of the way by the time it gets to where he was. Not one of them was focused enough and willing to take responsibility for clearing that ball, they all switched off. I can live with one guy switching off, they're only human. But three? Come on lads, not good enough. It's particularly disappointing for me this time because I consider Firmino and Lucas to be among the better pros in the team. Milner wasn't a million miles away from potentially cutting it out either, and Can ignores Benteke running away from him.

And yet again, there is no reaction. Migs shakes his head in mild annoyance and that's it. No Simon, that won't do. You have every right to lose your head with them for that carry on, so lose it. Make it clear that isn't acceptable. We seem to have too many nice blokes in the team. Milner and Lucas captained the team yesterday. Nice blokes. Good pros in their own right. Not suitable for captaining a team of complacent, fair weather players, though. Henderson has a more aggressive streak in him, but he tends to exclusively direct it at the referee.

And let's not allow Sky Sports to convince us that goal is about zonal marking either. Cos it's not. First off, three players are in the path the ball takes with another one close by, so players are in the correct place to deal with it, and deal with it comfortably. They just didn't deal with it. Secondly, we zonal marked under Rafa, and as much as Andy Gray would go on and on about how evil zonal marking was if we conceded, we actually had one of the best records defending set pieces in the league. Why? Because Rafa had Carragher. Rafa had Hyypia. And Agger. And Reina. Those were fellas with a set of balls who would take responsibility on the pitch. Stick Carragher in place of anyone out of Firmino, Matip and Lucas on that corner and its cleared. Seriously, if we concede from a poor, flat, delivery that shouldn't beat the first man, then man marking won't change anything. They'll just switch off and lose their men and concede goals that way instead.

As I said towards the end of our poor run in Feb. We need players with the right mentality in the summer. Vocal players who can't stand losing and who can't stand players around them phoning it in, cos there's plenty of ability in the side. It just needs to be on display every week, not when it suits.

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1.) 24 Apr 2017 18:48:11
If Paul Joyce is right klavan looking at 1st team players.


2.) 24 Apr 2017 19:13:30
What?


3.) 24 Apr 2017 21:31:13
Migs used to shout and scream all the team and he looked stupid. Just want players to take charge, don't need to be a yeller.


 

 

28 Feb 2017 18:03:21
Well gentlemen it's been thoroughly horrible lately. The way I see it is that it's not bad tactics or bad players in terms of ability. It's complacency and a lack of balls.

Clyne's the worst offender. He doesn't take men on, he doesn't put the ball into the box and he rarely attempts a 1-2 or tries to inject any pace or urgency into his play. Just a nice safe infield pass every time. I've completed my pass lads, it's on someone else if the move breaks down now.

He had much more about him when he arrived than that. Maybe spending a few games on the bench looking at Alexander-Arnold play would encourage him to try a bit harder. Wijnaldum isn't far behind, either.

For him to show how good he can be against Spurs and then turn in that non-performance against Leicester is absolutely shocking. And that sort of attitude is permeating across the squad. There's maybe 5 senior players who can be depended on to give 100% every time no matter who we're playing and where.

And to compound matters, our senior players in terms of the captaincy, Henderson, Milner and Lucas, don't seem to provide the right leadership for a team full of fair-weather players. They're honest blokes who give everything themselves, but they're too nice.

If you're the captain, or vice-captain, and you're playing with a few guys who are liable to phone it in when they're not playing Chelsea or Arsenal, then you need to get angry once in a while when they slack off. But no one on our team does, ever. When we concede a joke of a goal, there is no reaction.

Could you imagine how angry Carragher would've gotten if we'd conceded a goal like our first against Hull with him the team? He'd have probably killed someone. Likewise Reina, he used to lose his mind when we conceded. But Migs and co? Nah. Shrug their shoulders and look at the ground. Hide.

Likewise if Henderson has to play 5 square balls in a row because there's no movement in front of him, there is no reaction. He should start telling players in front of him to move around more. Telling should become fierce gesturing if the point isn't made.

Our key recruitment in the summer is not going to be players with specific skill sets like "another commanding center back and a left winger who can do x, y and z", it's players with the right mentality.

Players who absolutely cannot stand losing. Players who will get annoyed when someone beside them isn't giving a toss because it's 'only Hull'. If we don't get a couple of more players like that - and a couple will be enough because they'll keep the others on their toes - it won't matter who else we sign.

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1.) 28 Feb 2017 18:47:10
Post of the day that.


2.) 28 Feb 2017 19:23:10
Couldn't agree more about Clyne. He has zero accountability and takes no risks at all. He played one decent ball in last night and I can only remember one more all season (to Lallana, who scored. Can't remember who against, sorry?! )
There was a great ball played to him by Matip, down the right wing and while he was running onto it, you could see his first instinct was going to be cut back inside and go square.
This is the fundamental problem with him; play safe and as you said, let someone else take the mantle on.
This cannot work in a Klopp team, where the full backs are hugely important.
Don't like slagging our players, but there has been no development from him since he arrived and it needs to be said.
Trent definitely deserves his chance now.


3.) 28 Feb 2017 19:53:03
Excellent post and 100% on the money.


4.) 28 Feb 2017 21:16:10
Great post. The problem Henderson has is that the player ahead of him most guilty of not moving is Lallana (his best mate) .

Henderson gives anybody else a rollicking if they aren't shifting, but he seems to give Lallana a free pass to not putting it in against the lesser teams or when we are in a scrappy battle.

It is probably the main reason why Lallana is the most guilty of going missing.

Firmino and Mane even when they are having a bad day still try to make things happen. Coutinho is a bit of a fair weather player as well though.

I know people might scoff at this, but I actually think we should've recalled Flanagan and put him slap bang in the middle of the park against lesser teams. He played holding midfield in the academy. You think he would let anybody slack off? No chance.

We shipped him out because he doesn't epitomise the modern wing back, but he is exactly the sort of character our team is lacking. All the ability in the world counts for nothing if you can't be bothered. Rodgers and Klopp both seem to like nice guys who get on with the game and won't look their team mates or even the manager in the face and say "step up".

We do actually have another player who will give stick out on our books. But he just put in MOTM performance for Crystal Palace at the heart of their defence!

Hendo will dish it out, but his room mate Lallana is getting a free ride and as the main man to link midfield to attack, that really is not helping and is a massive reason why we look so laboured against lesser opposition.

Cannot believe I am saying this after all the stick Rodgers got, but Klopp needs to sign players with character!


5.) 28 Feb 2017 21:17:16
I agree with your bit about passion and will to fight and win and we DO need players with grit and determination. Regardless of how good your players are, if you are mentally soft and don't have the belly for a fight EVERY game you play, you will struggle. We seem to have that midtable mentality since Jan of only turning up for the big games and not bothering vs the lesser teams.

This is what will kill our top 4 hopes. LC came out flying an you could see that we would struggle cos we simply couldn't match their intensity. We were second to every ball, every challenge and as soon as they got the goal, it was lights out. That is what needs to change the most, regardless of what ever other changes are needed.


6.) 28 Feb 2017 22:35:34
MK, I haven't seen Henderson dish it out against any player. It's not just Lallana who gets a free pass from him. The only person who ever seems to be on the receiving end of a few harsh words from Hendo is the referee, which is not exactly what I think he should be doing.

The only person who does any dishing out to players is Klopp on the touchline. And this is my big worry. Maybe he's calmer in the dressing room when he has a bit of thinking time and isn't just reacting to what's happening on the pitch, but if Klopp and the coaching staff are doing all the shouting to express their dis-satisfaction, there's a risk that it just becomes noise and stops having any impact on the players.

Regarding Coutinho, Firmino and Mane, I find it a little harder to assess them because they're obviously not going to see a whole lot of the ball if the midfield and fullbacks are phoning it in. Certainly Coutinho hasn't looked himself since coming back from injury though. Whether that's co-incidental because the team's not been playing well, or he's struggling to get completely match sharp post-injury.

Btw, watch us field substantially the same team against Arsenal on Saturday and beat them because everyone actually bothers to turn up.


7.) 28 Feb 2017 23:18:48
I vividly remember Clynes assist to Llana it shocked me so much, he miss-controlled it, the ball got away from him and he had to run onto it and hit it first/ second time.
If you don't buy a ticket you'll never win the jackpot, Clyne won't back himself to beat anyone, TAA will at least role the dice, but we've got to accept we'll lose a few times.


8.) 01 Mar 2017 18:30:27
There the same players who set the place alight earlier on this season.

It's down to confidence and and minimising the mistakes that reduce the confidence.

It's been debated here ad nauseum who the main culprits are.

One or 2 changes come summer and we'll be a tighter unit but Klopp also has to learn to adapt the team during a game to win ugly against lower league teams. even by playing a centre half up front and launching the ball bypassing the 2 banks of 4
Then after getting a goal to close down a game
Remember Mourinio did it against us by bringing on Fillans and lofting high balls
That's the difference The one way or another will nick the Ugly win while we get caught on the counter and lose.


 

 

 

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And we don't any more players like that erroll.

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05 Apr 2017 17:42:56
Really hope there's no indignant flailing about this from some fans.

We broke the rules (not for the first time, either) and now have to take our medicine. End of.

And the 2nd year is suspended provided we behave.

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31 Dec 2016 11:36:15
Still remember the moment Lucas broke Yaya Toure in 2011. Toure was on a high from the previous season and set off on one of his trademark dribbles and Lucas just stepped across him, eased him out of it, and set off in the other direction with the ball.

Toure went on to have a fairly indifferent season. Coincidence? I think not. He was probably haunted by the image of a Brazilian midfielder half his size outmuscling him for the rest of the season. (This is slightly tongue in cheek, btw)

Personally I'd be looking to keep Lucas if I were in charge because whilst Hendo hasn't let us down in that position, he has a bit of room to improve defensively and Can's not really got the head for the "pivot" position in our midfield. So I'd like to see us have the option of Lucas' experience to call on, especially when we're in Europe next season. But as Ed001 says, he's earned the right to choose to play regular football if he wants and needs to.

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07 Aug 2016 00:46:32
That's a wind-up, isn't it?

Good player in his day, but his pace was already going before he left us in 2008 and was starting to expose that he wasn't a brilliant defender. I'd be quite surprised (albeit quite happy too) if he could do the business for us now.

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02 Jun 2016 17:57:52
Love how all our best players become "over-rated" when they're linked with a move away.

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27 May 2017 21:57:00
It's the 27th of May. The window technically isn't even open.

Calm down a little.

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21 May 2017 17:18:20
I just don't think the quality of football that was there a few years ago is here now. Arsenal missing out with a high points total just means it was close at the top. It doesn't mean it was good. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair on Spurs, I'll give you that. But City never impressed me over the season and were 3rd, we struggled to break down teams for half a season and yet Arsenal and Man U were too poor to catch us.

English sides have been poor in Europe (except Man U, who have only had to face one decent team in Celta Vigo) this season too.

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{Ed001's Note - far from absolute toilet, especially in comparison to last season, which was the worst level I have ever seen. There were a lot of dross sides, but the top 7 all stepped up a level from the last few years.

As for Europe I really do not care to be honest, English sides were going to struggle this season as the best team never qualified. So it was also rans in there. As for Celta Vigo, they are not a decent side, they are a midtable team in a league with just 3 good teams. They are decent technically on the ball, but they are hopeless defensively and have no money to invest to bring in better players. Though that is no excuse for their complete lack of organisation defensively.}


 

 

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20 May 2017 19:35:15
Hi Ed.

I sign Perreira, Bale, Mammana, Horn, Schurrle and Gabriel Barbosa on Footbal Manager.

Are Liverpuul going to sign any of dese players? And if u say no I'll say you liar. I can sign them on FM so Klop can sign them in real or elas he bad managir.

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17 May 2017 16:50:32
Top bloke.

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16 May 2017 22:11:16
No one else is afraid we'll ruin him if we sign him?

It's not that I doubt the lad's ability, I doubt our ability. We have a poor record with young players of late.

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