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04 Oct 2015 11:45:38
Does anyone have any info/theory re the reference to a mystery person having been bought a house for in formby on the BBC gossip page?





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08 Nov 2018 00:02:06
We have a solid defence, a wealth of talent and variety in midfield, and are struggling for goals. We should convert to 4-4-2. Please discuss.


1.) 08 Nov 2018 01:54:51
Your reasoning for going to 4 4 2?

2.) 08 Nov 2018 02:24:56
Danny sturridge should be given a shot I think. I think obviously klopp spent a lot of money this year and with that comes pressure so Liverpool are playing a more measured style. Making sure not to lose and relying on our talented forwards to win games. I don't care, if we win the league winning 1 0 and 2 0 then we are happy.

Sturridge scored some big goals and was bang on form before being frozen out. I think him Salah shaqiri and mane work well together. I love Firmino but we have more than one striker and Danny is World class at his best. I think he should get a shot.

{Ed001's Note - Sturridge scored goals coming off the bench against tiring legs. Every time he starts he is slow, greedy and dreadful. He should stay on the bench for a late cameo.}

3.) 08 Nov 2018 03:02:01
Read one of the Eds' reply long ago, how formation changes throughout a game. Talked to my father once long ago about this as well, and he told me the exact same thing. It's how the manager adapt and make changes during the game, instructing the players to change positions or applying certain tactics, or making substitutions.

What I'm saying is, it's more than just formations.

4.) 08 Nov 2018 09:32:18
Tactics and formations change by the game, they also change during a game, there are a number of factors why Liverpool are not scoring as many goals.
The front 3 are not playing that well together yet, but I am certain that will change in time. The midfield would have ideally included Keita, who is going to massively improve us, but again it's going to take time as he's been injured and likely needs time to adjust.
Also Ed01 has highlighted the fact it was the World Cup in the Summer, many of our players have not had a good break at the end of last season and very little pre season training for this season.
Our forward 3 were all involved in the world cup, so maybe it is about conserving energy rather than going high energy press like last season.
I know the Euro game was terrible but we are unbeaten in the league, have far more points than we did at this time last season. Even our recent draws, are arguably good results, Arsenal away, Chelsea away, Man City home. At some point those teams will play each other so we get the chance to gain points on them.
Lets see where we are in the new year, could well be top of the league.

5.) 08 Nov 2018 08:00:10
Couldn’t agree more Ed. Sturridge should be kept on the bench until 75.2mins 😉.

6.) 08 Nov 2018 10:00:45
Absolutely agree with ed. I was saying to my uncle, as soon as teams came out for red star game. Sturridge will be bullied and float around doing nothing, and jumping out of tackles tonight. Unfortunately he is an impact sub in my eyes now. If you watch him press its half hearted. And the thing that's even more disappointing is if you think about it. His best asset was his lethal finishing, but like red star game and various others in last year or so he's missed a lot of guilt edged chances. And before am called a poor fan etc i hate fact am saying the above. As I've always liked Sturridge, but have to be honest and admit he's nowhere near the player of 3 years ago. Which is such a shame as so talented and brilliant to watch back then.

7.) 08 Nov 2018 10:41:10
Agree w coco. Shame isn’t it. At one time, his pace, movement, quick feet and lethal finishing was a joy to watch. Just having him on the team sheet have you assurance that there’ll be goals or at the very least, threat to the opposition defence. He still has goals in him but will never be the player that he was again sadly.

Seems like he has to reinvent himself to become a starter at a big club again.

8.) 08 Nov 2018 13:24:45
Unless we have Hendo at the base of midfield control the game, and preferably also Keita to give some drive to midfield, I would really like us to play 4-2-3-1 and give either Firmino or Shaqiri the responsibility to create at no.10.

Gini, Milner and Lallana playing together is just three link players IMO and none of which are truly a solid no.6, and none of which are really dangerous driving forward either. We were awful the other night with no-one really having clear roles and taking responsibility for anything.

Fabinho and Keita/ Gini behind Mane, Firmino and Salah with Sturridge or even Origi up top would have been a lot more dangerous IMO.

Above all though we need to rediscover our mojo quick. Midfield is looking pedestrian and our forwards are jaded and not on form. We need to bring back the aggressive pressing game and smash someone.

9.) 08 Nov 2018 21:37:15
Greenflash, I disagree. First off, I don't think Studge was frozen out. He is simply not first choice and he clearly has accepted that as his role coming of the bench this season so you accusing Klopp of "Freezing him out" is unwarranted, IMO. Also, you say we should give him a shot. Studge has started 5/ 6 games this season out of the 16 we have played and lately in the Hudd and Red Star games, he has been poor so what shot does he deserve at this point apart from coming off the bench where he is more effective as Ed has said?

As for formations, they change all the time during games. In fact if you watch us play, you will find that we switch to a back 4 or a back 3 depending on what we are trying to do when in possession. We also switch to a 4-4-2 at times during games as well so dwelling on formations is futile esp. with a team like us where versatiltiy is key.

10.) 09 Nov 2018 08:25:44
Regarding Tuesday's starting lineup I actually think it was a big mistake to leave Shaqiri at home, he should've started instead. Football is supposed to be separate from politics but I also think any controversy would've been more of a 'distraction' to the Belgrade players than ours. Shaq on the right with Salah up front. Or even better, the aforementioned 4-2-3-1 with Fabinho also replacing Lallana. I really hope to dog that we never ever see both Lallana and Sturridge start another game together.

11.) 09 Nov 2018 20:46:44
Jurgen, Klopp was right to protect Shaq and btw, the team we put out on paper was good enuff to get a result on the night. They did not for the reasons we all know and IMO, has nothing to do with Shaq not playing. There are things more important than football and that includes protecting your players from atmospheres that could be hostile to them, esp. one that has NOTHING to do with football.



11 Oct 2018 15:59:38
Anyone heard from Putney Red recently? A well-considered and interesting poster. Hope all is well Putney. If you're still lurking, let us know!


{Ed002's Note - He is taking a rest right now.}

1.) 11 Oct 2018 17:26:30
I was wondering the same stoneage, it's being a while. If you're reading Putney, I hope you're well mate.

{Ed001's Note - he did post up a lengthy post about it, but it wasn't banter so went on one of the other pages, I forget which one. It was far too serious to post up on this page but well worth a read.}

2.) 11 Oct 2018 17:46:16
has mk been on of late?

3.) 11 Oct 2018 19:14:27
Cheers Ed, I don't know how I missed that post mate because I usually try and keep an eye on all of the pages. How are you today Ed, your back still ok I hope? have a good evening Ed.

{Ed001's Note - I think it was while you were on your holidays mate. Yes much better now, pretty much back to normal. How are things with you?}

4.) 11 Oct 2018 20:02:19
Ah I see Ed, that makes sense now. Glad to hear you're doing well now mate because it can be bloody brutal some back problems, thankfully it wasn't for you.

Yeah I'm alright thank you very much mate, stressful couple of days because we're selling the house, a friend of mine has pneumonia, another friend has been given 6 weeks to live, one of my boys is being bullied at school etc the list just goes on honestly mate it hasn't been my week at all but, it'll all be fine, we get there in the end don't we mate. Yesterday was worse than today so that's a positive!

{Ed001's Note - all you can hope is tomorrow is a better day sometimes. By the sounds of it, that is something you need to hang on to.}

5.) 11 Oct 2018 20:18:31
Whenever things are going rough for me Salah, i like to think the world will balance it out with something super nice on its way. Often that does happen. Stay strong mate.

6.) 11 Oct 2018 20:27:32
Exactly Ed, well said, hope you're having a good night mate.

{Ed001's Note - I am just enjoying being up and about again.}

7.) 11 Oct 2018 20:18:31
Whenever things are going rough for me Salah, i like to think the world will balance it out with something super nice on its way. Often that does happen. Stay strong mate.

8.) 11 Oct 2018 20:27:32
Exactly Ed, well said, hope you're having a good night mate.

{Ed001's Note - it was yes mate, finishing now though. I hope things get better for you mate.}

9.) 11 Oct 2018 22:17:36
Agreed Taurus, I like to look at life like that too mate, there's always a positive from a negative situation, no matter what it is or how bad it is.

Thank you very much Ed it's been a tough few months there's no doubt about that but things will change and things will be better soon mate I have no doubt about it.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't sound like they can get any worse to be honest!}



27 Sep 2018 21:16:13
Klopp sees a gap in the squad which he wanted to fill with Fekir. Could Ramsey fill that gap? It seems Klopp has a knack for taking underappreciated players from others' teams and integrating them well.


1.) 27 Sep 2018 21:40:54
ramsey? no thank you please.

2.) 27 Sep 2018 22:39:13
Ramsey is not better than Fekir's right index toe (he is left footed) so sorry, I'll pass.

3.) 27 Sep 2018 22:39:20
Stone age. Ramsey would be a brilliant signing if he could stay fit. I think he has put those injuries behind him now. It may not be popular but I think you are bang on. The team is screaming for a Ramsey type player. We signed shaq who is good but he is a maverick and disobeyed his instruction. Fekir would have been class but the boys upstairs were having a pissing contest with the lyon owners and we tried to lowball them when the deal was all but done.

People will thumbs down you but I think Aaron Ramsey would be rubbish hot in our team. Good idea mate.

4.) 27 Sep 2018 23:25:26
If healthy, I'd go back for Fekir.

5.) 28 Sep 2018 01:17:11
Get Ramsey in?
We already have the ever-unfit stutter-ridge - hell why don't we juat go all out and get
Jack Wheel-Chair off of West Ha?

I feel Ramsey is beyond overrated and he will be 28 next year.

We really needed Jorginio (spèlling) which went to Chelsea for the money.
Why did we not go in hard for him?
That would have been ideal.

6.) 28 Sep 2018 08:21:11
He hasn't been badly injured for ages. The guy is not over rated. I thimk he is under rated.

{Ed001's Note - he was injured last season for a couple of months. Very overrated now. He is not the player he should be. Too much time in a lax regime with Wenger, imo.}

7.) 28 Sep 2018 08:57:32
Fair enough. Who would be your choice for a number 10? I've heard people talk about firmino in that role. That pass to salah, against Southampton (I think) was pure class, but we would be missing the most industrious centre forward in the league. Who would you like, someone you think we may be able to sign.

The thing about signing players like Keita, vvd and alisson and being top of the pile, makes us more attractive to potential players. Also smashing psg.

{Ed025's Note - beating PSG at home wit a last gasp winner in extra time is hardly classed as smashing an opponent MM, just in the same way that chelsea did not smash liverpool midweek, please show more decorum mate..

8.) 28 Sep 2018 13:57:50
OK, we didn't smash them in goal terms but we completely controlled the game. Neymar never got a sniff. The kids, Joe and trent dealt with that 180mil player. Fair comment though ed025, I apologise.

9.) 28 Sep 2018 15:36:36
Fekir is healthy and we screwed it over the money! The lad is playing every minute for Lyon!

10.) 28 Sep 2018 23:33:49
Harry, how do you know Fekir was healthy. Are you his doctor or did you oversee his medical? If the answer is no then all you have is an unfounded opinion (void of facts) which means nothing, really.



15 Sep 2018 18:48:08
Ok right I'm not a fan of this Matip sub in the final 10 mins. The logic is the height advantage at set pieces but Klopp should cut it out IMO as it unsettles the back 4. But it did not 'invite pressure', as it didn't change the formation to a back 5. And you can't blame Matip for the goal conceded which was a worldly/ massively spawny. Made up with 3 points and perfect start!


1.) 15 Sep 2018 19:07:54
There is no logic to this unless it’s an attacking change or an injury, it just unsettled the back line that had kept a clean sheet away to Tottenham up until that point.

It’s one of the few things that frustrates me about Klopp.

2.) 15 Sep 2018 20:04:13
I see it as more Gomez replacing Trent at full back who's better defensively. Plus the added height of Matip is a reason too.

3.) 15 Sep 2018 20:38:35
I agree with stoneage. it is almost like playing not to lose. I understand the strategy, I just don't agree with it. In my opinion, there are better ways to close out matches. However, we are still unbeaten in the league so, what do I know?

4.) 15 Sep 2018 21:48:44
Just before Matip came on I was saying to the wife how our subs were excellent today - they made us STRONGER! Studge and Henderson kept a tiring Spuds on the back foot. All good! As a strategy of 'not losing' once you have a lead I much prefer keeping the ball as a tactic.

That said, a couple of points deducted for studge who really didn't seem bothered when he came on, culminating with turning his back on Lamela to concede the goal. Put your body on the line lad!

5.) 15 Sep 2018 21:57:30

6.) 16 Sep 2018 02:11:56
We have a strong bench. Going to be hard for some to ride the bench but in the long run it will mean big results for us. Fabinho hasn't played one minute, Shaqiri hits worldies in training and hasn't had much game time. and that's because we are a deserved 5-0 in the league. The real test is PSG. can the players who played 90 minutes today give 90 more?



31 Aug 2018 01:45:25
Liverpool FC have a long and close history with the CL. As the draw happened today, collectively it seems we feel that as we were so close last year, and were possibly disadvantaged by RM's dirty tricks, we are expecting to get to the final again and are all expecting that we have another chance to get to the final and this time win it.

Whilst I never understood why City supporters say they are only interested in the PL, not the CL - this year I feel differently.

I wouldn't mind going out of the CL in the group stages if it means we can concentrate on and WIN the PL. Let's get that monkey off our back. We can concentrate on the double next year.


1.) 31 Aug 2018 05:59:17
There is no reason we can't get to the the CL final. Trouble is there are about 10 other good teams who realistically feel the same. There is no point entering with the attitude that you suggest though, we need to mae a good account of ourselves across the board!

2.) 31 Aug 2018 07:13:46
We lose all credibility if we go out of the group stages. PSG and Napoli are two fantastic teams and getting the better of the two will go a long way to earning the respect of the big boys and future LFC targets. Top that group and the club will get a huge lift that could carry on into the league games as well. We have decent depth this time around and juggling Europe and the league should not be an issue.
Its the Carabao cup that we should give a miss though. 3 cups at once is too much too soon imo. Play our 2nd team (which ain't too bad btw) against Chelsea in the cup. If we win, great. Otherwise we have a league challenge and a deep run in the UCL to look forward to.

3.) 31 Aug 2018 07:18:01
No point in qualifying for it if you’re not going out to win it.

Play to win, we have a big enough squad to take care of the PL. 👍.

4.) 31 Aug 2018 09:27:32

We don’t lose any credibility if we crash out from the group stage. We don’t have a squad that could win both league and CL. Period. We need to focus on the league form chug the owners have thrown in money. CL progression is a bonus. People are getting carried away with a few names that occupies our bench. They aren’t Mahrez / Sterling or Sane! League is our priority.

5.) 31 Aug 2018 10:35:50
Perception, I cannot understand your point why should we crash out of the group stages like a coward dog. What if at the end we are not able to win the league and how is Sterling better than Shaqiri?

6.) 31 Aug 2018 15:07:28
I should’ve just said I’d rather win the PL than the CL this year. It goes without saying that both would be nice!




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02 Nov 2018 11:48:28
We need Mbappe as backup to Firmino then we’re sorted.




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30 Oct 2018 23:42:51
LOL Ed002.




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26 Oct 2018 16:26:17
A back up left back should be our priority, rather than hoarding right backs. Can you imagine how our season could be de-railed if Robertson gets injured? Unless Moreno has been learning his game from Robbo in training and has stepped up a class, he is a bit of a liability defensively- although I appreciate he may be a good influence around the dressing room, we need competition for the pitch. Do you think if Robbo gets an injury that Klopp would use Milner there again as first choice back up?




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25 Oct 2018 11:28:11
Great timing KC with this post sandwiched between those either side! Credit where it's due - you agree with Ed002.




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20 Oct 2018 16:32:02
Bopper- clearly gathering info for fantasy football.





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08 Nov 2018 00:05:25
It was arrogance pure and simple, thinking we would roll a team that we previously beat 4-0 over whilst resting our key players.

To be fair, if we are to make it through a long season, the second string have to play some games and the first teamers need an occasional rest. Klopp gambled this as one of the 'simpler' games, but underestimated the opponent who were clearly fired up in front of a home crowd.




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08 Nov 2018 00:03:32
I believe it's clear after last night that our 'strength in depth' is not as strong as we thought.




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08 Nov 2018 00:01:31
Gini could and should have fouled him instead of doing some acrobatic turn to actually get out the way and allow him to shoot.




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01 Nov 2018 16:44:39
I’m sure he’ll bring up the fact that he was the most expensive defender in the country when Liverpool bought him.

For this reason you can hardly hold it against the owners for not backing Roy Evans tho.




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30 Oct 2018 16:42:08
NICE! Thanks Carra.

What's going on at Shef Utd?