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18 Jan 2019 18:36:13
I just want to point out re Coutinho that he never 'feigned' an injury. All we know is that while his head was being turned by Barce, Klopp said in press conferences that he had a bad back. This was Klopp's decision and whether it was true or whether it was to deflect questions, we will never know. But we also don't know that Coutinho was feigning. So let's take that out of the debate re whether he would be welcome back or not. I for one would welcome him with open arms. His kids are scousers and he'd be a perfect Lallana replacement in the squad.

stoneage

1.) 18 Jan 2019 18:44:01
Lol. So far from the truth.


2.) 18 Jan 2019 19:04:08
Yes we do. He pulled me out of the squad because of injury but then went to play for Brazil days later.


3.) 18 Jan 2019 19:10:25
Stoneage, I never believed he was injured nor feigned injury. Klopp may have just said that to make an excuse for him not playing the game we had to play at the time. Now, Cou playing for Brazil three days afterwards, just made the situation awkward, something that in the bigger scheme of things, does not really matter, IMO.

Now as for whether we would welcome him back or not, I personally think that Klopp has moved on from him and made us a much better, more complete, and more consistent outfit. We are a more well-rounded team than when he was here with players committed fully to what the manager wants and why would Klopp want to mess that up by getting him back? I don't see it. I think we need to move on from him cos frankly, he ain't worth the trouble. He made his bed and he should lie in it.


4.) 18 Jan 2019 19:18:26
Holy moly! You let that one slip Anonymous Woolback. We know who you are now!


5.) 18 Jan 2019 19:20:29
Again, it was Klopp's choice to pull him from the squad. Perhaps protecting him for what was turned out to be a lucrative sale for us. Saying he had an injury is modern gamesmanship to keep the media at bay. You don't know the conversation at Melwood between Klopp and Coutinho and there's no evidence that Coutinho feigned.


6.) 18 Jan 2019 19:26:45
He did fake an injury but so did VVD so we can’t really have a go at couts then praise VVD for coming to us. I would have him back because I don’t think we have the money to buy him that’s the only reason. Am sure there cheaper options out there.


7.) 18 Jan 2019 19:47:21
Cheaper and much much better options out there.


8.) 18 Jan 2019 20:15:48
I wouldn’t want to see him playing for ManU or Chelsea.


9.) 18 Jan 2019 20:17:08
As far as I'm aware he was out for Barcelona when he joined. I think he missed a good few games if I'm remembering correctly.


10.) 18 Jan 2019 21:17:04
I'd love to see him at Man United. I can't think of anything that would make me cheer louder than Fabinho, Gomez, Trent, Robbo and Virgil wiping him out time and time again at least twice a season.


11.) 18 Jan 2019 21:28:57
Riiiiigght, ok. Clearly have no clue.


12.) 18 Jan 2019 21:55:52
I don’t think Coutinho would join Utd.
PSG, perhaps Germany?
Does Messi have the position that Coutinho would otherwise occupy in any other team?


13.) 18 Jan 2019 22:29:33
Wilson can replace Lallana Stone age, Coutinho was a great player for us but if we're going to spend huge money on somebody it should be to make the 11 stronger and to do that by buying Couts he'd have to be bought to play in the middle 3.


14.) 18 Jan 2019 22:31:23
Very true John.


15.) 18 Jan 2019 22:33:56
Salah
Coutinho Firmino. Mane
Keita Fabinho
Robertson VanDijk Gomez A. Arnold
Alisson

He is the missing piece of the jigsaw.


16.) 18 Jan 2019 22:35:13
That's a terrible shout MK, he's top draw as you well know, United is the last place I'd personally want to see him end up.


17.) 18 Jan 2019 22:51:03
Who cares? He had the chance to part of something special and he chose not to. Fate will sort the rest out.

I wish the lad all the best but we have to move on, without him. The club and the shirt are more important than any individual and always will be.

The best player in the world is useless to us if he doesn’t believe in the team, a player who wants to run through brick walls for the team is priceless.


18.) 19 Jan 2019 00:13:45
Waro, each to their own. I'm leaning the other way though. It's a game, and it's just a job to him. It wouldn't be personal and even if it was, who cares? I thought we called the Blue half "bitter"?

Don't we want the top draw players in the Prem? Don't you want to beat our rivals at their best? It's a bit of a sham to hope all our rivals are so weak we win by default.

Coutinho is just one of thousands of footballers in the world and he has nothing to do with us anymore. I honestly don't care what he does because "We've got Mane! "


19.) 18 Jan 2019 20:58:14
😂 sorry forgive the typo!

We do however have Ed001’s word for it and i take his word over anybody else’s when it comes to matters at Liverpool.


20.) 19 Jan 2019 04:56:16
I wouldt want any player back who forced his way out of the club. Torres, Masch, Suarez, Coutinho, etc. I don't wish any ill-will on them as it is a game and a job after all but there's something that grates with me about the thought of any of them feeling that Liverpool were not good enough in the first place.
Some midfielders would play with two broken legs for LFC, others would skip matches with a ‘sore back’.


 

 

06 Jan 2019 06:39:42
Hi Ed01. I wonder whether you'd be willing to write an article on Man Utd at their peak from a tactical perspective? We discuss tactics and formations a lot here and the Man U team that won all their trophies are well known for their flying wingers (and Fergie time) but what was it that made them unbeatable? Thanks.

stoneage

{Ed001's Note - that would be difficult to do because the reason they maintained their peak for so long was that they changed their tactics repeatedly. The assistant manager was, in large part, responsible for them, so they altered to suit whoever it was in that role at the time. With Phelan (who is now assisting Solskjaer) they were quite dour and dull to watch and there were a lot of moaning about the football being produced. When it was Queiroz as number two, the football was more Mourinho-like than the flying wingers that rose-tinted nostalgia would have you believe. It is really only the early days of Fergie that the flying wingers attacking at pace was truly what it was about.}


1.) 06 Jan 2019 08:17:11
Hi Ed,
How did you rate Fergie as a tactician? He was unquestionably one of the greatest managers of all time, but I believe his European record alludes to him being too susceptible to being outwitted by European heavyweight managers. I think a lot of his success was dependent on can-crushing some of the absolute managerial dinosaurs that were so commonplace in top flight English football during his ‘peak’.

{Ed001's Note - Fergie wasn't really the tactician, as I pointed out, he was the motivator. The man who got the absolute best out of his players, week in, week out, so that even a weakened side would roll over the lesser lights in the Premier League.}


2.) 06 Jan 2019 08:47:49
Fergie is a really interesting one and it shows how football has changed from a loyalty point of view. There’s no doubting what he achieved but as Lowe says, he never managed to conquer Europe as Paisley did.

People talk about Klopp not winning anything but it took Fergie 3 years to win his first trophy and a hell of a lot of money to knock us off our perch. Which is why I find it amusing when their fans slate City.

Even back then, the game was full of fine margins, going to Old Trafford and hearing “Fergie out”, I remember seeing a banner once too. Yet he managed to turn it around and the rest is history as they say.

The one good thing is that he’s fit ( I use that term loosely) and well again.


3.) 06 Jan 2019 11:02:29
Very interesting thread and great input by Ed001.
Ferguson was a big admirer of 1970s Lfc and there’s a tremendous tale knocking around the web of his experience at Anfield for the famous St Etienne tie.
As manager of his then St Mirren team, he arranged a Summer friendly with us and his programme notes are full of praise for Liverpool and their fans.
It’s well worth a read.
The atmosphere in the late 80s at Liverpool / Man Utd games was quite toxic however and perhaps it was these experiences that caused some of his enmity towards Lfc. Although with his competitive nature, and our dominance at the time, this was probably inevitable.
He did always retain respect for Liverpool though, you have to credit him for that.

{Ed001's Note - he had no enmity he just saw us as the threat to his team.}


4.) 06 Jan 2019 12:02:17
Never liked Fergie the Man Utd manager, for his was bullish, dominant and successful.

However, you cannot but respect the work he has done. He is the only manager that has defended the PL more than once and won it three times on the trot. He also stood up to the challenges of Wenger and Mourhinho and ended his career with another PL title with a rather ordinary squad. A true fighter and winner.


 

 

09 Dec 2018 17:04:25
Hi. Question for Ed02 pls, if he's around. It's related to the whole restructuring of the champions league etc.

With Atlanta being crowned MLS super cup winners in your country of origin yesterday, it got me thinking wouldn't it be great, for the fans at least, if there was a mechanism to compare Atlanta with the best teams in Europe- in a competitive cup competition, rather than a pre-season friendly. The obvious answer would be to have some kind of 'Champions League', where the winners of each different league enter a competition.

I would love to see the South American teams in competitive action against the European teams too. The clash of styles would be so exciting and tactically intriguing.

I was wondering why the CL is restricted to Europe, and whether expanding it globally has ever been considered? If not, what is stopping it? Is it logistics? Travel? Season timing? Or, perhaps money?

If it were restricted to winners only, rather than top 4, the competition could be run over a relatively short timeframe and in a single city- like the World Cup but shorter.

Thanks Ed for your time.

stoneage

{Ed002's Note - There are two/three counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a couple of years and nothing has happened - and I doubt it wil.

However, UEFA are now considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

The other major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs - right now North American clubs have not been mentioned. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite". The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club Cup. THis is the closest to what you propose.}


1.) 09 Dec 2018 17:17:38
Good question and brilliant detailed answer ed. Thabks for your amazing info as always!

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 09 Dec 2018 18:09:03
A World Club Cup is exactly what I was thinking. Really interesting. I’ll keep an eye out for any developments of this. Thanks very much Ed02.


3.) 09 Dec 2018 18:14:06
Quality, nice one stoneage and Ed2.


 

 

09 Dec 2018 00:52:02
Thought our midfield looked balanced today. Also liked how Matip looked for forward passes through the lines when he could. Other than Mane for Shaq, are we likely to go with the same team at home vs Napoli?

stoneage

1.) 09 Dec 2018 01:09:26
I don't think Milner will start RB, probably TAA will be back in the line up.


2.) 09 Dec 2018 06:22:31
Don't be surprised if Klopp goes with his classic Henderson-Milner-Wijnaldum midfield again. And bring on substitutions in the second half. I have a feeling this is what he will do, even though Milner and Wijnaldum played yesterday.


3.) 09 Dec 2018 07:12:02
Thought Fabinho was the pick of the midfield, broke up play numerous times and generally got involved well in the game. Thought Keita was more subdued and seemed to not quite know where to be, was OK though. Personally thought Wijinaldum was dreadful - the amount of times I saw him miscontrol it, take a loose touch, or play a simple pass because he wasn't brave enough to play anything more ambitious, was incredible. Also thought his positioning was odd at times and that he never really did much, in either attack or defence. Early season he was on fire, right now he is very much off color in my view needs dropping, if anything just to give him a kick up the backside.


4.) 09 Dec 2018 09:14:41
I like Wijnaldum but I agree he didn’t have his best game yesterday. Looking at his stats he has started 14 premier league game this season And was a used sub in another 1 of them and has started every CL game. He has been our most used midfielder under Klopp in the last 12 months. So that tells you what Klopp thinks of him. Perhaps he needs a rest.


5.) 09 Dec 2018 09:45:23
Some posters just can’t wait to have a go at Wijnaldum. In my opinion ‘dreadful’ is a ridiculous word to describe his performance. He wasn’t brilliant yesterday but he worked well in tandem with Fabinho and, guess what, we won 4-0!


6.) 09 Dec 2018 09:48:01
Fully agree Seano and JK23, Wijnaldum had his regular "invisible" away games agin. It was so bad that I forgot for a while he was playing cos the ball never got to him. Clearly, he was not hiding, lol. Fab was very solid and Naby I think, played on the left side of a 4-4-2 for the most part so that may have contributed to a subdued yet solid performance (the nutmegs were doing my ribs in, tho) .


7.) 09 Dec 2018 10:04:15
RedWolf, Keita was ‘subdued but solid’ while Wijnaldum was ‘invisible’ and ‘hiding’. Any chance of a little bit of anti-Wijnaldum bias there mate? As JK23 pointed out, Wijnaldum has started 14 out of 16 PL games (only being subbed off twice) and 5 out of 5 CL games. Doesn’t that tell you that he is doing exactly the job that the manager wants from him, with the ball and importantly without the ball. If he really does ‘hide’ (whatever that means) in away games he wouldn’t get near the bench, never mind be an almost certain starter.


8.) 09 Dec 2018 11:09:34
Sorry WW but I disagree. Just because the manager makes a choice doesn't make it necessarily right - Klopp also likes bringing Matip on late in games even though it disrupts the defence and does nothing to help the side, does that make it right just because the manager does it? No. Wijinaldum has been selected a lot, this is true, but constant selection does not mean constant high quality performances.

Wijinaldum started off the season really well, and has gotten consistently worse as the season has progressed. I know we won 4-0 and I'm delighted we did, but we did it in spite of Wijinaldum, not because of him. The main difference between Keita and Wijinaldum in that game was that, whilst both were not as involved as they could have been, Keita was far neater on the ball and with his passing whereas Wijinaldum was sloppy, sluggish and, against a better side, might of had his mistakes punished more severely. I also do not think he 'worked well in tandem' with Fabinho - I think Fabinho just covered a lot of ground and made up for Wijinaldum's lethargy with his own performance. Maybe Wijinaldum is tired, but we've seen these sorts of performances from him countless times. It isn't a one off thing and, against the very best sides, his lack of quality (or lack of effort) will become a more serious issue.

As I said originally he needs dropping - maybe that will give him a chance to recover physically? I'm hoping it gives him a much needed wake-up call - he was rumoured to be available in summer and he seemed much more focused and driven at the start of the season. Game by game that drive and focus has subsided and the mediocrity has returned. Maybe a spell out of the team will help him rediscover such form? Some players need that threat to push themselves, maybe he is one of them? Just because the team is playing well doesn't mean individuals are immune to criticism - Wijinaldum looks the weakest of all our midfielders, not because he lacks ability, but he lacks willpower to produce week in week out.

My question to you though, WW, is why should Wijinaldum start ahead of any of our other midfielders? Keita has been injured but has started to show glimpses of form and has the potential to offer a lot more to this midfield. On the whole Milner has been excellent this season. Fabinho is growing into his role and performing better and better with each passing game. Henderson hasn't quite hit the heights he is capable of but still looks the most natural fit into our current midfield. Shaqiri has looked good when playing in the CAM role. So why should Wijinaldum - the least hardworking midfielder and, at this present time, the player performing at the lowest level - still be selected?

I do not think dreadful is an overstatement - it is actually very strange, when winning 4-0, for any player to stand out as being really poor, but Wijinaldum certainly was. You can only miscontrol, or take a heavy touch, or play a bad pass, or fail to make a tackle so many times before people notice. Honestly I hope he doesn't play against Napoli, we cannot afford any passengers and that is exactly how Wijinaldum is playing right now.


9.) 09 Dec 2018 11:43:02
I think we will see the classics ie hendo milly and gini in the ucl game. Fab is making it hard to leave him out though as is Keita and shaqiri.


10.) 09 Dec 2018 11:43:07
Enough of the Wijnaldum witch hunts- in our most successful winning streaks of this year and last he’s been playing. In fact I reckon I’d someon did that stats we’ve won a damn site more with him that when he hasn’t played. Heard the same about Lucas for years and he has the same stats.


11.) 09 Dec 2018 12:04:32
I’d like to think Klopp is right more than us Seano. I really hope we don’t see the midfield 3 of Milner, Wijnaldum and Hendo on wed night. Wijnaldum gets dealt a bad hand when it comes to fans critiscism where if he does the dirty thankless work he is hiding when Hendo gets praised for it. Wijnaldum didn’t have his best game yesterday and I’m happy to call a spade a spade. I just wish the same standards were given to all players when it comes to criticism and praise.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, you are missing the point. Henderson does not hide behind opposing players when the goalkeeper has the ball at his feet. Henderson shows for it. Wijnaldum hides. That is why he gets criticised for hiding, nothing to do with this conspiracy theory you have concocted out of nowhere but your imagination. Wijnaldum was doing it again at times yesterday, forcing Alisson to go long when all he had to do was step out from behind King and the ball could have been rolled to him. It is something he does. It is nothing to do with doing the dirty work, I have no idea why you are even mentioning that, that is not ever related.}


12.) 09 Dec 2018 12:51:48
Blilliant response, Ed. Cos a player plays all the time does not mean he is not doing things that we think he should be doing. Wijnaldum has good games BUT several times especially away from home, he hides. That is a fact that has been pointed out here by many. Even yesterday, there was a period where I thought he was not even playing cos he never showed for the ball as an option. Ed even recognized that so there is the proof.

Saying Hendo hiding must be a sick joke. The boy is capt. for a reason. He is brave, determined, gives his all for the shirt and even plays injured. He even switched from an 8 to a 6 cos Klopp trusted him there cos he is positionally aware and brilliant at snuffing out danger before it happens. If that is people's idea of being a "hider" then I can't help you there. Wijnaldum has to much talent to be hiding behind the striker or not showing for the ball at times.


13.) 09 Dec 2018 12:56:52
WW "anti-Wijnaldum bias"? You must have had me mixed up with someone else. I am a huge Wiji fan since his U23 days. He is a brilliant footballer with raw talent and ability on the ball. One time, Ed01 said he was rated much higher than Hazard in his youth days at Feyenoord so that's saying a lot, right there. I mean, this guy was already a WC player at 24 for Holland in Brazil and won the league at PSG. I have always rated him as an attacking mid way before he came to us. He got a lot of stick at Newcastle for hiding in games and Rafa benched him for doing that. Is he biased too? I love Wiji which is why I criticize him for fading into the background during games esp. away from home for the most part You may like Wiji which I do too but we're going to have to disagree on this one, buddy.


14.) 09 Dec 2018 13:11:57
Seano, you make your case very well although from a quite biased perspective in my opinion, but I cannot answer your question “Why should Wijnaldum start ahead of any other of our midfielders? ” Klopp has Milner, Henderson, Fabhino and Wijnaldum to choose from for the central/ defensive midfield positions as well as Keita, Lallana and Shaqiri for other wider/ more advanced midfield positions. The fact that he consistently selects Wijnaldum, even when others are available, indicates to me that the manager is very happy with the contribution Wijnaldum makes to the team. To be clear, I don’t think Wijnaldum is our best, or even one of our best, midfield players (and I have said so in previous posts) but I do think that to call his performance ‘dreadful’ and to describe him as a ‘passenger’ is way over the top. I like the comparison with Lucas made by Swishcleaner - Lucas was a whipping boy for some fans until he became a Liverpool legend.


15.) 09 Dec 2018 13:24:18
He plays in the most underrated role. The cm. Not dcm or acm but cm and his game goes unnoticed sometimes.

But look back over his LFC career and the big games we have won against top opposition. He is nearly always there.


16.) 09 Dec 2018 13:27:27
Obviously, JK, Klopp is right more than us, but it doesn't mean every decision he makes is perfect. Henderson tackles more than Wijinaldum, Henderson wants the ball, Henderson can (though he doesn't always do so - which critics are delighted to mention) play good long balls that carve open opposition defences. Wijinaldum doesn't seem to do much of any of that and it is detrimental to our team. Honestly Wijinaldum's biggest strengths are running at players and using his technical ability - we now have Keita who can do that and do it better AND we have Fabinho who will prove to be a better ball winner in our midfield. After that all Wijinaldum has is a good engine - and both Henderson and Milner's work rate are far superior to his. I don't see how or why Wijinaldum gets into our team on current form. If it wasn't for Keita's start being disrupted by injury, and Fabinho taking time to settle, I suspect he (Wijinaldum) would've already been dropped. It is the only way to explain his constant selection despite doing little to earn it.

And I stand by my criticism of him yesterday - it is not a witch hunt, just stating what I observed. Did everyone play perfectly?
No. But on the whole pretty much everyone had a decent game - sure Milner had a dodgy moment, sure Keita was quiet and never really got into the game, sure Robertson was a little loose defensively, but overall they played well, and players like Robertson and Milner do, to an extent, get a little leeway because of their tireless effort for the team. Can you honestly say the same about Wijinaldum?

I think the issue yourself and other posters have with what I said is that it was a criticism after a good performance. Fair enough, if people wish to take umbrage due to that I can understand it. In my opinion, we should never stop looking at where we can improve, even when we win games as comfortably as we did yesterday. The title race this season will be decided by the finest of margins and lacklustre, casual play could cause us, in other games, to drop points. Wijinaldum needs to start producing OR he needs dropping, his current levels are miles away from acceptable.


17.) 09 Dec 2018 13:59:31
Ed001 cheers for replying to my comment mate as I respect your opinion and obviously know you’re a busy man. In my defence mate I wouldn’t go as far as saying I’m concocting a conspiracy theory regarding Wijnaldum and agree he didn’t have his best game yesterday. I’m not saying he should be a starter as I actually don’t believe there’s much difference between him, Milner, Hendo and From what I’ve seen Fab in his short time here. But he seems to get a lot more criticism. He has started 14 of the 16 games and I honestly don’t believe we would have been undefeated in them if he was dreadful or hiding and we were playing with 10 men as some have suggested in the past. If we had everyone available he wouldn’t actually make my starting midfield but I do think he gets a bit of unfair criticism compared to others. Please don’t take as a personal dig at yourself as it’s far from it. Like I said I totally respect your opinion and this is just mine. Brilliant site and love reading it numerous times of day.

{Ed001's Note - I get what you are saying, I just disagree that criticism of him hiding is the same as that of Henderson or Lucas. It is fully justified as he does it a lot in away games. It is not like playing with ten men, as he does not spend 90 minutes hiding. What he does it hide in periods of games. He seems to struggle with confidence issues, because at home, with the crowd behind him, he does not do it. Also I have noticed when he scores he is suddenly everywhere showing for the ball and making driving runs, which he doesn't do much.

I have been watching him since he was a youngster and I know what he is capable of. We have seen less than 65% of his true capability and that is why he gets so much stick. It is not because what he does goes under the radar, it is because he is playing within himself. He has been a devastating attacking force in the past from a midfield position, but for us he just plays safe too often. That was fine when the front 3 were firing on all cylinders, but this season when they started poorly he should have stepped up.}


18.) 09 Dec 2018 14:47:49
With reference to this string about Wijnaldum, Ed01 and posters on both sides of the debate have contributed with rational arguments while respecting alternative opinions and without resorting to personal abuse. That is why this is the only site I have ever contributed to. Respect guys.

{Ed001's Note - it makes a nice change when that happens! And I am glad you feel happy to contribute on here.}


19.) 09 Dec 2018 14:54:48
I’m going to watch Wijnaldum a lot more closely now especially if he scores to see if I notice the change in him as a player.

Redwolf read my post again mate. I never once said Hendo hides I said Wijnaldum gets accused of hiding when he does similar work to Hendo.

Seano I think you might find that Wijnaldum stats outshine Hendos this season with regards to tackling, passing and forward passing but that is no surprise as he has started 95% of games and Hendo has started less than 50%. Perhaps Wijnaldum's biggest strength is the fact he is available week in week out and Hendo sadly isn’t.


20.) 09 Dec 2018 15:16:48
@JK - Stats don't really help judge a player, least for me, but it is true that Henderson has injury issues and Wijinaldum doesn't. I honestly think, once Keita and Fabinho are in full swing, that we will see less of Wijinaldum. Klopp has proven me wrong many times before though so we shall see.

@WW It's funny you use Lucas as a comparison because I loved Lucas and always defended him - mainly because he really did so much, and contributed so much to the team, and was criminally underrated. I do not think comparing him to Wijinaldum makes sense or is a particularly fair comparison as I think Lucas was twice the player Gini is. I do think Wijinaldum has the talent - you can see it when he is really up for it, when he is confident, when he plays well how good he looks, it lifts the midfield massively. The problem will always be that for every good game there are 3 to 4 bad ones. Lucas was, if nothing else, consistent - he almost always performed.

I don't think we'll reach a consensus so maybe let's just leave it here and see A) If he starts vs Napoli and B) if he starts how well he does. And of course C) hope we smash Napoli!


21.) 09 Dec 2018 15:57:41
Wirral I 2nd that mate. Great debate on here and enjoyed reading everyone’s opinions including the guys whos were different to my own. Ynwa.


22.) 09 Dec 2018 16:52:16
I must day Gini is a difficult one hey, I think he started well because he knew his position was under threat and the man was forced to come out of his comfort zone. Now that his established his back to his zone. As eds has mentioned we only seeing less than 65 percent of his ability but and in all honestly it might not have happened often or with every game but a less than 65 percent Gini has helped the team, makes you wonder how great he would be if he actually believed more in himself. Its hard to really drop the guy at times but its frustrating knowing how great he could be.


 

 

06 Dec 2018 13:21:10
Ok - one for the stats folks: when, if ever, has the ball gone from the keeper to left foot of one player, left foot of another player, left foot of another player, goal? Cos it happened last night. History folks.

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1.) 06 Dec 2018 13:53:44
That must have happened before surely! Great stat, great goal.

I think we showed what a quality squad we have last night. Sturridge was excellent, Keita was blistering and my motm. Even origi did some good things, setting up milly for the equaliser.


2.) 06 Dec 2018 14:23:49
Sturridge was excellent? You are talking about Liverpool's Sturridge? He did bugger all mate.


3.) 06 Dec 2018 14:34:34
I didn’t watch it but listen to it and all they said was he gave the ball away, lost the ball or shot when he shouldn’t have!


4.) 06 Dec 2018 15:35:47
Salah I agree to a point on Studge. Once Mo and Bobby came on he dropped a bit deep and started playing lovely balls forward. His pass to Mo to set up 3rd goal an example . He did what was needed and well at that in the final 20 minutes.


5.) 06 Dec 2018 16:05:16
Im sorry but i thought ali threw it?


6.) 06 Dec 2018 16:22:45
Maybe sturridge should be playing deeper so he can have more opportunities too shoot from range an attack from deeper he has also got decent passing an creativity, just a thought since his pace has deteriorated and he naturally drops deep Any way.


7.) 06 Dec 2018 16:25:06
Very difficult for sturridge or origi to do anything when our midfield were happy passing to our defenders whenever they received the ball, so were our fullbacks most of the game.


8.) 06 Dec 2018 16:31:56
Sturridge did everything he does every game, gave the ball away needlessly, took a shot from absurb angle instead of passing the ball, waa slowing down the play with extra touches and being scared of getting injured. The only good thing he did the whole game was that pass to Salah.


9.) 06 Dec 2018 18:43:52
Absolute rubbish. He played cute football around the box, started the move for our third. He can shoot, can pass and has vision. He can also pull out a goal from nowhere. Danny sturridge is a class act. If you can't see that you must be blind. No offence.


 

 

 

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31 Dec 2018 16:58:00
I am in Sacramento but will be in Vancouver by dinner time.

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04 Dec 2018 16:12:35
A professional dead leg is different to the one your mate gave you as a kid hailstones.

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30 Nov 2018 09:15:43
Some classic Adidas kits. That would be ace.

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02 Nov 2018 11:48:28
We need Mbappe as backup to Firmino then we’re sorted.

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18 Jan 2019 20:52:17
As soon as TAA got injured it was reported on the BBC as only two weeks, but everyone here was quoting four weeks.

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18 Jan 2019 19:20:29
Again, it was Klopp's choice to pull him from the squad. Perhaps protecting him for what was turned out to be a lucrative sale for us. Saying he had an injury is modern gamesmanship to keep the media at bay. You don't know the conversation at Melwood between Klopp and Coutinho and there's no evidence that Coutinho feigned.

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Holy moly! You let that one slip Anonymous Woolback. We know who you are now!

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As my ol grammy used to say, it's a two horse race now.

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As my old grammy used to say, hind legs are a wonderful thing.

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