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02 Jan 2019 19:55:41
Hi eds
Is Solankes move to CP not going ahead now?

{Ed001's Note - for now yes.}


1.) 02 Jan 2019 20:23:48
Apparently, there are concerns over his fitness.
My opinion is that it may be difficult for him to go on loan because teams would need him to start playing immediately.
A permanent deal however may be different, because he may be afforded more time.
But that's just my opinion.

{Ed002's Note - That is not the issue - someone making unreasonable demands is.}


2.) 02 Jan 2019 20:54:07
Player looking for Guarantees no doubt then.

{Ed002's Note - No, that is not the issue.}


3.) 02 Jan 2019 22:09:32
Probably us demanding an excessive loan fee or insisting Palace cover all his wages.


4.) 02 Jan 2019 22:11:55
Am dumping it’s the club’s demands of playing time and feed.


5.) 02 Jan 2019 22:46:32
*assuming.


6.) 03 Jan 2019 01:52:31
Maybe we are trying to get some sort of agreement about Bissaka.


7.) 03 Jan 2019 05:55:10
Havent seen it asked yet, so here goes. ed2 who is making the unreasonable demands and what are they?

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant. He will go elsewhere.}


8.) 03 Jan 2019 15:19:52
Doesn't Solanke have a very demanding father that was also part of the problem @ Chelsea?


9.) 04 Jan 2019 00:33:05
Is it not about CP signing too many loan players this season?


10.) 04 Jan 2019 00:38:46
Like where?


 

 

25 Apr 2018 06:55:46
Hi eds. do you know when Lallana it due back. After the injury to the ox we need him ASAP. ?

{Ed001's Note - he is not expected back this season, unless we make the final in which case he could possibly make it. Not sure we 'need' him, good player as he is, we have not missed him at all this season and look better without him. He does not fit the way we play any more.}


1.) 25 Apr 2018 07:06:41
Ok thanks eds
Maybe time for him to move on then.


2.) 25 Apr 2018 07:46:10
I think we are all panicking over Midfield options ed mate. what's your thoughts? We have 3 fit options only now. Anyone from U21 or U23 that might be drafted in?

{Ed001's Note - maybe time to give Trent a run in his natural position?}


3.) 25 Apr 2018 08:14:07
Be a good chance against stoke at the weekend maybe and play Gomez at rb.


4.) 25 Apr 2018 08:19:41
Good shout Ed to be fair. Gomez back to RB. Hendo probably needs a rest? Can you think of any youngsters he might call on or should the 3 senior fit CMs be able to play all remaining games in your opinion?

{Ed001's Note - there is plenty of rest after next week's game. So they should be enough. If not maybe we could give Williams a chance, at 22 he needs to get a game or two just to see if he is capable of raising his game. You only know for sure when they get a go. Sometimes a kid can stand out a mile but then shrink mentally and fail miserably in the adult game. Other kids look average in youth football but they get a lucky break and suddenly grow as players to look like they belong there. It really shouldn't be an issue to cope for 4 games with the three we have and then they get two weeks to rest before the final (hopefully).}


5.) 25 Apr 2018 08:28:14
Just made a post on another thread saying the same ed, I think it is time to push him up to the midfield, let's see how he handles it, I think he'll do really well plus there's no better time then now.


6.) 25 Apr 2018 08:40:46
Cheers ed. You make so much sense. I would have far less stress and grey hairs if I could talk to you everytime I get a little flustered or concerned in life lol. Have a good day mate.

{Ed001's Note - I would say that is the good thing about getting older that you get less flustered but me ma is blooming ancient and she still gets overly stressed about every little thing.}


7.) 25 Apr 2018 08:44:43
In terms of having enough in the tank it shouldn't be a problem Ed001. But we are also one errant kick from not having enough fit midfielders for the biggest game of the decade.

{Ed001's Note - then you give a youngster a chance and you never know you might unearth a future star. If we aren't going to give them a chance when injuries strike because of panicky fans we may as well scrap the academy altogether.}


8.) 25 Apr 2018 09:09:43
I’d like to see Hendo, Gini and Woodburn against Stoke and maybe Milner coming on last 30mins to rest Hendo for a bit.

We need TAA’s delivery from out wide against Stoke IMO.


9.) 25 Apr 2018 10:42:31
Fully agree ed001, but I'm dissapointed that we have to give them a chance now. I questioned at the time, and continue to question, why they are not as a rule present in every match day squad so they could have gotten some chances in a few of the 16 (yes that's right, 16) games this season where we have won by 3 or more goals? It does get annoying finding ourselves repeatedly unprepared for this.

{Ed001's Note - I expect the Prem will follow Serie A's lead and increase the number of subs available soon enough. Serie A did it because they wanted to help the Italian national side by giving youngsters more chances in the first team. Whether it would actually do that or not is arguable but it would certainly mean managers would have no excuse for not giving kids a chance. Though it would probably just see Guardiola demand another half billion to spend to fill the bench with expensive first team players....}


10.) 25 Apr 2018 13:07:47
Ed001 do you know has Jordan Williams been training with the 1st team? I know he played a bunch of games for Rochdale, but not since October and he hasn't been playing for the U23s. I'd imagine it's more likely Gini will play as the deep mid and one or two of Woodburn/ Jones/ Kane could get a start. I know they're younger but age doesn't seem to be a factor for Klopp if you're good enough.

{Ed001's Note - a lot of the young uns train with the first team and it swaps about, to get them used to being with the group.}


11.) 25 Apr 2018 20:54:55
Jordan Williams is currently on loan at Rochdale so I imagine he wouldn’t be an option unless recall was an option.

{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}


12.) 26 Apr 2018 09:06:41
No Gordo, it was only a loan until January, but he suffered a knee injury at the end of October and hasn't kicked a football since.


13.) 26 Apr 2018 12:16:15
SGRED, I’d argue that Trent’s positioning would still find him out wide when playing RCM, just look at the positions Milner and the Ox take up throughout a game. Means he still gets to put in killer deliveries but also experience a game in midfield at the highest level. Also means if we play Gomez at RB that we can shift to a 3-4-3 when needed without having to bring an extra centre back on like we have been lately.
Cheers (3rd attempt at this post)


14.) 26 Apr 2018 12:17:51
Gordo - I believe his loan finished back in Jan. I just checked the Rochdale website and there is no mention of him (although they do have a Jordan Williams out on loan to Lincoln which threw me for a tick) . But he isn't injured AFAIK so Im guessing he needs to work harder to convince Critchley because he isn't getting into the U23 atm.


 

 

10 Nov 2017 11:03:01
Is there a Liverpool sharkpod yet eds👍🏻.

{Ed002's Note - Right now my plan is to do them all next Thursday. I am either travelling or busy working until then.}


1.) 10 Nov 2017 12:29:45
Ok mate thanks.


2.) 10 Nov 2017 23:14:10
Looking forward to this, roll on next week, any chance when you get a spare moment next week Ed002 you can start the intergalactic legends team? Thanks mate.

{Ed002's Note - It may need to be the week after.}


3.) 11 Nov 2017 16:59:13
Silly question. How do you gain access to the old sharkpods? I've tried the search engine but for me it just brings up comments that has the word sharkpod in there.

{Ed033's Note - old sharkpods


 

 

02 Nov 2017 08:26:40
Any chance of a sharkpod eds👍🏻.

{Ed002's Note - I will try to get to it in the coming days.}


1.) 02 Nov 2017 13:44:33
Thanks ed002 - you're awesome 👏😍.


 

 

20 Sep 2017 21:16:20
Hi eds
I know we signed matip on a free way before the transfer window opened. Is there anyone We could sign in the coming weeks leading up to Jan that would help our defence in anyway. It would be nice to know that we had someone lined up ready.
As always thanks.

{Ed001's Note - not that I know of.}


1.) 21 Sep 2017 02:51:23
We signed Matip early because his contract was expiring, not many players contracts expire in January.


2.) 21 Sep 2017 03:42:34
I did a search and Joe lescott is available ;)
Two interesting players in Jan Kirchoff and flamini are available too.


3.) 21 Sep 2017 08:11:40
Jan Kirchoff? The massive German who kept Sunderland up single handedly 2 years ago?

That can't be right. If it is he must be injured. He is a decent centre back/ holding midfielder from what I've seen. Sunderland were soft, lacked leadership, lacking in steel and fight etc and he went in there and was a massive part of their turn around.

I didn't see enough of him to know if he is good enough for Liverpool, but he is a better defender than Lovren and Klavan that is for sure!

{Ed001's Note - he is awful MKS, he is slow, cumbersome and got the credit for no reason I could see. He was always about 6 yards behind the play, but he put in a couple of good passes and suddenly he was the reincarnation of Beckenbauer in the media. One man kept Sunderland up that season and it was not Kirchhoff, it was Allardyce. Kirchhoff is injured, he did his cruciate, but he is simply not as good as people believe. He makes Matip look lively when chasing back.}


4.) 21 Sep 2017 11:50:56
How can you claim he kept them up single handedly then further state you didn't see enough to see how good he actually was?

I like your efforts MK, I just don't think the knowledge is there.


5.) 21 Sep 2017 11:52:13
I'm not saying he'd suit us Ed. Every game i saw him in though he was arguably man of the match so that's all i can go off of. I agree he looks too slow for us and i only saw him 2 or 3 times so I'm certainly not going to suggest we sign him. He was a monster at set pieces though and seemed to get the best out of the useless players he had around him. As a pure defender though he looked decent. Nothing special, just decent. If he signed for us he'd just be another stop gap so I'd rather we wait anyway.

I was just surprised he didn't have a club. He'd suit a team like West Brom, Palace, Huddersfield etc. If he has a cruciate injury though, that explains it.


6.) 21 Sep 2017 13:58:33
So the day we feared has come injuries too centre backs an they were already rubbish, now we have no cover total crime too neglect the transfer window for defensive cover.


7.) 21 Sep 2017 15:23:13
Lol ed (≧▽≦)


8.) 21 Sep 2017 16:47:03
Smplfc, i can only judge what i saw. I watched Sunderland with and without him that season and they were a completely different side. Maybe I've confused the impact of Kirchoff, with the impact of Allardyce. But those two coming in definitely coincided with Sunderland becoming much harder to beat and a much more solid looking unit. Then when they didn't have him last season they were back to being an flaccid bunch of strangers. Again, could've been Allardyce being gone too though.

Unfair to suggest I've not got any knowledge though when all I've done is call a player I've watched a few times decent. Hardly gone over board with the praise have i 😂 although i have since noticed i missed an almost out of my original post. It should've read "almost single handedly" so perhaps that is why people are jumping down my throat for daring to suggest Kirchoff is a mid table Premier League player 🙄 Khazri, Kirchoff and Kone changed their season i thought. I mean you can disagree but when they signed Sunderland looked doomed to go down, but their fortunes were completely changed. You are all so quick to claim that you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear when i defend our players, so you can't then in the same breath say that Sunderland staying up was 100% down to Allardyce. He clearly added players who could make the difference, but that is my point. Kirchoff was part of the change that made that difference.

Anyway, feel like we're splittng hairs over terminology, my choice of cliché phrase (which has seemingly been taken way too literally), and people are perhaps jumping to the conclusion that i think he'd be a good signing for us. I'd still be surprised if Kirchoff struggles to find a mid table top flight club once he's fit. Be that in England or back in Germany the bloke is clearly a decent player. From a Liverpool perspective i appreciate he's not good enough, but for a team dwelling at the bottom struggling to keep out goals he would be seen as a big step up in defensive quality. Horses for courses mate, you can't view everything from Liverpool's world or else we are saying that a good 95% of pro footballers are terrible! It's all relative 😉.


9.) 21 Sep 2017 17:58:03
You have also taken my point out of context mate.

My point isn't your end assessment on the player, it's the fact that you made the asssessment and then when Ed disagreed you stated that you had only actually watched him "2 or 3 times". Not once did I say I don't rate the player or it was all down to big Sam, nor am I pushing something down your throats for having an opinion.

I actually agree with your initial statement. I disagree with eds views and although Sam definitely signed players to pay to his strength, he was one that looked like he had a bit of class about him.

My point is and that's all it is in my opinion, lack of experience leads you to make large opinions without backing them up properly or forming them to either agree with Ed or to disagree with the majority.

Like I said mate it wasn't a dig, all a bit of light hearted banter, but I actually rate Kirchoff!


10.) 21 Sep 2017 20:44:27
We started to go downhill when Djimi Traore and Kewell left.


11.) 22 Sep 2017 00:28:14
omalley is correct, everything is clear for me now.


12.) 22 Sep 2017 10:30:21
Actually that Hoffenheim CB is pretty fast, he caught up with Mane when matip started 1st.


13.) 22 Sep 2017 12:56:48
Relaxlabrudder,
Are you referring to their captain who needlessly gave the ball to Salah near the half way line and almost gave us a throw away goal?
I can appreciate anyone making a mistake but a glaring one like that is not really needed in a defence like ours at the moment thanks lol!


14.) 22 Sep 2017 21:30:00
Klopp must have forseen the scenario loosing Matip/ Lovren. I would guess he just have a lot of FAITH in Gomez. Maybe WE should support this?
I really really like Gomez. He's got pace, he's calm, he has ability on the ball. He may lack a bit of rutine, and some belief in himself. Maybe both Klopp and me would have chosen to ease the "kid" in over the season, but HEY, he might grab the PL by the balls, in september!


 

 

 

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20 Apr 2019 07:12:41
Morning eds2
I was wondering if there was going to be a new shark pod any time soon.
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I have provided an update and will do something when time allows.}


1.) 20 Apr 2019 11:12:10
Might be a stupid question but where is that update ed I have looked can’t find it.

{Ed002's Note - It should be on the Rumours page, unless one of the other Eds has deleted it.}


2.) 20 Apr 2019 11:42:27
it is half way down the rumours page.


3.) 20 Apr 2019 12:29:08
Thanks eds I’ve just found it. That was just what I was looking for 👌🏻.


 

 

07 Apr 2019 09:58:57
I know this prob wouldn’t happen and am in dream land but if there was one player I’d love us to sign it would be James Maddison he looks like he’s going to be world class if he carries on. And would be good for the home grown players.


1.) 07 Apr 2019 10:56:30
I hardly think he's a "dream land" signing. He is a top player. I keep thinking about trent playing in that position regularly. There are better ams out there.


2.) 07 Apr 2019 11:11:34
Really good player, but I like the look of the young lad at Bournemouth, David Brookes.


3.) 07 Apr 2019 11:19:56
Hey longthing, sorry if i sounded harsh mate. isn't maddison a chelsea player on loan? If so then why not. don't forget; we are liverpool. Most players on the planet would be happy to sign for us. Good shout. But if Leicester have bought him outright then there's no chance.


4.) 07 Apr 2019 11:28:42
Leicester bought him from Norwich F. C. last year.


5.) 07 Apr 2019 11:30:58
Leicester bought him from Norwich.


6.) 07 Apr 2019 12:01:42
Oh, was he a chelsea ypungster?


7.) 07 Apr 2019 12:03:18
If Leicester can see a profit in it then they may be willing to sell. That bunch are close though. Have been through a lot for such a small club. I can see them staying more or less intact for the next 5 years at least.


8.) 07 Apr 2019 12:19:06
No he was a Coventry youngster 😂 but keep digging.


9.) 07 Apr 2019 13:15:41
If you don't know at least google it you silly goose. 🤪.


10.) 07 Apr 2019 13:17:22
Lol nun red. Dunno why i thought he was a chelsea player. Maybe they had some interest in him or the papers reported there was interest. Still digging!

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has never had any interest in him. Spurs remain keen.}


11.) 07 Apr 2019 14:05:15
The thing is with these young players is they’re at the stage where they are playing regularly for there current clubs moving to a top 4 team could see them lose game time. Personally think it’s a year to early for the likes of madison or Brooks.


12.) 07 Apr 2019 18:17:44
Yea I like Maddison a lot but the lad has started 30 of Leicester's 33 premier league games, can we honestly say we could offer him the same amount of game time? also based on how Leicester priced Maguire when there was interest, we're looking at like 60mil +

Need to sign these talents before they make the move to a decent premier league side. Still annoyed on how we missed out on Dele Alli for example (keeping in mind how talented he was at the time, very different player to the one now)


13.) 07 Apr 2019 20:37:36
We play about 60 games including CL and club competition so he would still get 30 I would have thought.


14.) 07 Apr 2019 21:22:10
Maddison is a good little player BUT very inexperienced at the level LFC currently play at and the same goes for Brookes for B'mouth. This is his first season in the top flight so let's give him time to mature and improve before we say whether he is good enuff or not. I am always afraid of players who are doing well as rookies in the PL.

They need to go through what is called The Sophmore or Second Year Slump when teams game plan specifically for them and see how they react. Even look at Salah. He cam out of nowhere to dominate in the CL and PL. Now look what other teams are doing to him and we are seeing that he IS a top player cos he has proved his mettle. Maddison has to go thru that and then see how he reacts, IMO.


15.) 07 Apr 2019 21:46:44
Longthing76 I was speaking about the premier league alone with those 30 fixtures, 30 out of 33. Maddison started those 30 games. Our additional fixtures to Leicester are made up of the champions league alone, which really doesn't add that many. We also don't tend to play with a CAM, hence Shaqiri only having something like 14 starts.

Maddison is a great talent, but he would get no where near as much game time as he does at Leicester and there's simply no way to spin it otherwise.


16.) 08 Apr 2019 00:41:45
Ginerbolox I think your getting mixed up with Maddison. Sure you're not thinking of Chelsea loanee Mason mount who's at derby?


 

 

04 Apr 2019 17:38:04
With us playing Southampton on Friday. It make me think about Danny ings. Do you know if they are going to buy him in the summer or If he coming back
Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - There is an obligation to buy assuming he stays fit.}


1.) 04 Apr 2019 18:54:12
What happens if Hasenhutel does not really fancy Ings even if he is fit, Ed02?

{Ed002's Note - I guess he could injure him.}


2.) 04 Apr 2019 18:58:27
Can he play against us Ed tomorrow?

{Ed025's Note - no mate..


3.) 04 Apr 2019 20:33:56
Ings is a pretty handsome chap, but I don't fancy him either even if he is fit.


4.) 05 Apr 2019 10:12:32
I haven't been following Southampton this year. How is Ings doing?! Was so chuffed for him when he scored for us last season after such a long injury. Im glad he can't feature against us, top player imo.


5.) 05 Apr 2019 11:17:16
They are in great form recently will not be an easy game especially at there stadium.


 

 

27 Mar 2019 20:06:14
Great to see Joe back training again the timing couldn’t be any better.


1.) 27 Mar 2019 21:13:32
Yeah sure is, he isn’t match ready though mate unfortunately. Both his and Ox’s return Date seems to be going on and in and on.


2.) 28 Mar 2019 00:36:44
I was led to believe it would be spurs he would come back no? We need him back asap as both a tactical and psychological boost for the team.


3.) 28 Mar 2019 06:25:05
That’s what I thought Woolback, but the reports this week and words from Klopp suggest they are training but not ready.


4.) 28 Mar 2019 18:48:16
Ed01 has said that Ox will only be reduced to cameo apps. at best this season. Gomez needs to be able to train consistently for the next several days before he can play a game as that is how Klopp operates.


5.) 29 Mar 2019 10:26:44
I very much doubt Gomez will be starting games any time soon. Klopp is cautious with his players.


 

 

23 Mar 2019 07:07:23
Morning eds
Is there a profile on Jadon Sancho?

{Ed001's Note - he hasn't played enough to get one mate. Most of his games are just sub appearances. He needs more full games.}


1.) 23 Mar 2019 09:23:26
Not been massively impressed with him when I've seen him play to be honest.

His decision making is dreadful. He tries to skin the player in front of him every time when better options would've been a pass or an early cross. He loses possession 9 times out of 10 or ends up poking it back to the midfield after he's crowded out.

He is still only 18 though so he has time to develop. Frankly though, he's not good enough to start regularly at the highest level.

His market value will far exceed his actual worth right now. I see lots of people on other forums pining for him when we've got "potential" in our own ranks. Most notably Brewster who made Sancho and Hudson-Odoi look like his back up cast for the England youth sides.


2.) 23 Mar 2019 10:10:39
Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Rashford, Rice, what a crop of young talent England have.
Even I enjoyed watching them last night.
Liverpool old boy Sterling was very good too, told you he was a miss to our set-up.
I really hope that Brewster, particularly after his injury, gets to their level.


3.) 23 Mar 2019 10:24:29
I must admit I've never seen him play, well I have for about 15 minutes or so. So I can't judge but a friend of mine has seen him play plenty and has said exactly what you're saying MK. He's very young and needs to learn a hell of a lot by the sounds of things, if he is a good lad and concentrates on his football over his lifestyle then who knows, maybe there's a star in there somewhere, the next few years will be interesting for him.


4.) 23 Mar 2019 10:44:20
he is young and needs to learn a hell of a lot. stunning analysis for a kid. and given he is already performing at decent level in a european league and now as an international, I think English fans can get a little excited.


5.) 23 Mar 2019 10:51:23
I reply to MK Scouser, usually mate we agree on stuff but this for is not fair.
The kid is 18 years of age took a very brave decision to leave everything he knows family wise footabll wise and go to a foreign country with a new language and commit to buckling down and hopefully getting a chance in the squad
Well this season he has easily been the biggest break through star in Germany, so much so that he has the highest amount of assists in Europe only matched by the great Messi himself
This has led to him being called up by his country which has to be applauded.
if im not wrong did he not make a goal for sterling on the highest level last night?
I think your assessment need to be looked at as he is 18 years of age and needs to be judged as an 18 year old
is he playing any worse then Salah is right now who is making the worng choices a lot of the time in games recently and he is a season vet compared to Sancho
for me this kid is better then wilson and will go further in football then Wilson will but I bet you will not agree
If Sancho was in our Squad coming off the bench no one would be complaining
Just can't agree when I hear people slating a youngster like Sancho who showed wisdom and guts to leave man city and go abroad
how many of us on here could of done that and achieved what he has so far at 18?


6.) 23 Mar 2019 11:10:57
Sounds like your mate sees what I see then Salah; potential.

Its easy to hype him up off the back of some good cameo appearances against tired legs playing for a very attacking Dortmund team, but when he starts games he still struggles to stay in games and fades into the background. He's got magic in his feet and can produce spectacular moments, but his desire to show off or to be the star actually has an adverse affect on his game. He tries too hard I suppose, which is better than not trying at all! Ed001 is bang on though, we won't know how good he can be until he starts affecting games in which he starts and gets more time on the pitch.

I recently read an article that placed him at number 1 in the top 50 young players in world football. Hoever was 23rd and Brewster was 31st. The same article didn't even have Mbappe in the top 50 so that shows you how misguided media hype is 🤦‍♂️

If he stays grounded and improves his all around game, Sancho will be a great player for sure. He's just a little bit over rated/ hyped right now though and I am worried he's being given everything too soon because he seems to act (from an outsiders perspective) like he believes he is as good as the media say. He's certainly not worth the £100m people say he is worth, put it that way! Let's see how he reacts to his first set back; a bad season, an injury set back, media pressure etc. Then we'll see how much he wants it.


7.) 23 Mar 2019 11:22:29
It was the top 50 teenagers MK, Mbappe is 20 now lol. And agree on Sancho, got a long way to go to fulfill his potential, drifts in and out of games quite a bit.


8.) 23 Mar 2019 11:26:46
MK Scouser are you aware that Sancho has the most appearances this season in the whole Dortmund Squad and is the third highest goal scorer in the whole squad, and has the most assist in the whole squad not to mention in the whole of Europe
you comments are not making sense when this figures are mentioned mate sorry.


9.) 23 Mar 2019 11:31:42
Johncrow, you are putting words in my mouth mate. I've not said he is a bad player anywhere. Nor have I denied his ability. Or his bravery. I can only give my honest opinion and in my opinion he is still very raw and needs to be given time before we all decide how his future will go.

2 seasons ago it was Pulisic everyone raved about in Dortmund, getting loads of goals and assists off the bench and where is he now? He has struggled to transition from prospect under no pressure to star performer. I think Chelsea may regret spending so much money on him but maybe he will bounce back from his poor season?

History is littered with examples. Januzaj, Bojan, Tello etc. It's easy to shine in a great team when nothing is expected of you and you play against tired legs with explosive pace.

Wilson is different to Sancho in that he has already over come his set backs and answered questions of his ability. After being capped at 16 years old and dubbed to Welsh Messi he stopped putting in 100% to improve and he fell off the pace completely. He then had a few injuries and it's taken 5 years for him to put himself back into contention for a long term future at Liverpool. It's still only contention though.

If anything, you bringing up Wilson just backs up my point that it is too early to call him a future star. Whilst I'm on the subject of Wilson, yes I do think he is currently better than Sancho because he can start games week in week out and improve those around him and not fade in and out of games. He's also 3 years older though and Sancho undeniably has more raw ability.

So I do agree that Sancho has the talent to go further in football than Wilson. That was just you putting words in my mouth. Jordan Ibe had the raw ability to go further than Sterling though, but he couldn't make the transition from prospect to star either.

Raw ability is just that until you harness it into consistency. If Sancho has a bad season next year the same people comparing him (even loosely) to Messi and Salah like you just have, will throw him on the scrapheap. In reality how he reacts to that adversity will be the measure of him as a character and as a player. For me, we'll see how good Sancho truly is in a couple of years and right now you should just enjoy his youthful exuberance and not put too much pressure on the lad to be something special. Potential is not guaranteed.


10.) 23 Mar 2019 11:47:05
That explains that to be fair then Scholes18! Glad you understand my point though. I'm not sure what John is reading to be honest because it's not my posts 😂.


11.) 23 Mar 2019 11:49:01
I don't think there has been any slating at all (on this thread) . Just the point being made that it is still too soon for him to be anointed with the keys to the kingdom. Another website has named him the at the top of the best 50 players of the next generation and written about his (supposed) desire to win the Ballon d'Or. That's a crazy amount of pressure to place on a young kid, and it usually does not turn out well. These kids are being given keys to Ferraris before knowing how to load a washing machine and doing the laundry. The probabilities all say that very few come even close to the superhuman levels they are projected to achieve.


12.) 23 Mar 2019 11:51:55
I put no words in yuor mouth mate lol just simply stating facts
you initial comments where that
"His decision making is dreadful. He tries to skin the player in front of him every time when better options would've been a pass or an early cross. He loses possession 9 times out of 10 or ends up poking it back to the midfield after he's crowded out".
does that stats I quoted to your reflect your statement
you have mentioned puslic now ibe and who so ever else
We are talking only about Sancho and wilson and no one else
to someone who had never heard of sancho before yuo made him sound like our ex player Mark Gonzales all pace no common sense and passes back when he has players around him
your wrong MK and no amount of bringing in players will help that
the kid has done fantastically well so far in his career
Pulsic plays for USA no pressure to get into that squad
Wilson palys for Wales again no pressure to get into that sqaud
ibe never played for england so the comparsion are not vaild
at this age for Sancho to be a top guy for a top european team and be starting for his national team after leaving man city youth team at the start of the season is amazing imo.


13.) 23 Mar 2019 12:17:44
Johncrow, stats are not relevant to the full 90 minutes performance. You can overplay 9 times out of 10 as I said, and then score or create a goal on the 1 occasion it comes off for you. Then the stats say you played well but maybe the other 9 occassions when there was a better option, you could've had a more positive overall affect on the team by making the right decision. Sancho' s best impact on the game yesterday was when he made a run in behind off the ball. Not the 10 times he ran at somebody with the ball and then gave away possession. One day he will learn that he is better off passing and then looking for a return pass if the option is available to him.

You are quoting stats and facts to me but there seems to be very little subjectivity to your argument, and no analysis. I'm not going to deny he's statistically had a good season and that he's great for his age.

Do you remember the Scouse Cafu, Jon Flanagan? His first season he was arguably the best young defender in Europe and was playing better than a lot of senior players in his position. People thought he'd be the future of the club and a potential captain. Then he got injured badly and struggled to make a come back. Then there was his controversy away from the game and now here we are 4 years later and the Scouse Cafu, was actually just the Scouse Danny Simpson.

Sancho has great stats, and once again, I'm not saying he isn't a great talent. I'm just saying I've not been as impressed by him as others. He is talked about as if he is the complete article already, but in my opinion he is not. He has magical moments rather than great performances for 90 minutes.

I'm only giving you examples because they are relevant to how football fans jump the gun all the time and overhype younger players. I know, because I've been guilty of it myself in the past and I've learned from my own mistakes. You might remember how certain I was that Brad Smith would be a great player? Making his debut for Australia and Liverpool and looking every bit a future star, blowing away youth football etc. How wrong was I then? He had a set back and didn't react in the right way.

You don't have the authority to tell me I am wrong because football is subjective, especially when talking about overall performance or young player potential. You can disagree by all means, but in my opinion he is still raw. There is no right or wrong when discussing a players ability and potential.

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong either. You are well entitled to your opinion that Sancho is the best creative player in Europe already and better than Salah right now. I don't have to agree but football cannot be quantified by statistics.

I'll have to leave it at that because there is nothing else I can add if you have made your mind up that a subjective debate has a right and wrong side.


14.) 23 Mar 2019 12:28:55
Spot on ArAy1969. Everyone knows about his talents and positive sides to his game. All I was doing was pointing out his flaws (that people are ignoring) to try and bring a bit of sensibility to the ongoing debate around him lately. I can almost guarantee his coaches aren't ignoring those flaws, and if they are they are doing him a dis-service because his potential is huge if he gets the right advice and support to improve him as a man and as a player.


15.) 23 Mar 2019 13:46:21
Very interesting thread. Nice one MK and John.


16.) 23 Mar 2019 13:48:26
Absolutely superb young player, think he will easily be in the top 5 players in the world by the time he is 21.he's that good. i would love us to go out and get him, and while people will say it's too much for someone that won't play. he would play, he would get a lot of game time for ANY premier league team over the season.


17.) 23 Mar 2019 14:34:01
I cannot believe Dortmund and now England pick a player who gives the ball away 9 times out of 10 every game. With those stats I might lace my boots back up and give professional football another crack. I only give it away 7 to 8 times out of 10 normally.


18.) 23 Mar 2019 14:48:37
Anybody who’s isn’t impressed with Jadon Sancho isn’t watching him objectively. For him to be playing the way he is at the highest level at the age of 18 is exceptional.


19.) 23 Mar 2019 15:03:25
JK23, I can only assume you are not English. "9 times out of 10" is a cliché British phrase. It doesn't literally mean 90% of the time he loses possession. It just means "a lot" basically. A bit like how "unstoppable" usually just means really good. Obviously every player can be stopped!


20.) 23 Mar 2019 15:13:45
MK Scouser mate, I reckon you need to watch more of Sancho. I watch dortmund whenever I can (fun team) and the lads incredible, not sure how applicable half your criticisms are. Yes stats aren't the full story but if you regularly watched the lad you'd know his were reflective of his overall game, easily the best teenager in world football. None of the examples of overhyped players you gave were performing like Sancho in a top league.

The comparison to Wilson is also a strange one, not sure how you can compare an 18 year old smashing it at the highest level to a 22 year old in the championship. I'm a massive Wilson fan and hope he plays a part next year but they're not in the same league and never have been.


21.) 23 Mar 2019 15:40:05
Mk I am born and bread British mate and my job has allowed me to travel the world and I believe 9 out of 10 is 90% in every country I have been too. Anyway mate I read further down you said sarcasm is lost on people and clearly mine was lost here. No way do I lose the the ball 7-8 times out of 10 I am literally like the modern day Alonso.


22.) 23 Mar 2019 16:29:57
Yeah it went over my head JK23. My bad 😂

I got the exact reaction I expected overall to be honest though. Not jumping on the hype train and maintaining a degree of scelticism is always controversial!

Have a good day lads.


23.) 23 Mar 2019 17:43:13
Put it this way when he decides he wants to return to England the whole top 6 in Europe's best league will be beating Dortmunds door down trying to get him.


24.) 23 Mar 2019 20:21:00
Hardly a case of jumping on a hype train, lad's been fantastic all season and in youth leagues. Less scelticism more empty criticism, but to each their own. At the end of the day it is a game.


25.) 23 Mar 2019 21:58:28
Empty criticism would be baseless abuse with no explanation or constructive points. Patronisation is not going to change my mind is it.


26.) 23 Mar 2019 23:59:32
I don’t think there is a ‘hype train’ going on with Sancho, I think most people just agree that he is one of the best teenagers in the world right now. Of course he isn’t worth £100 million, no 18 year old is, Mbappe wasn’t worth £160 million when PSG bought him a couple of years ago.

At that age though you are also paying for potential and Sancho has bags of it, if he keeps improving over the next 2-3 years £100 million will look like a bargain. The truth is that no 18 year old is playing close to his level right now, most of them are still playing reserve team football or sitting on the bench.


27.) 24 Mar 2019 06:26:07
Good Morning all brilliant discussion yesterday with a lot of back tracking by MK Scouser lol but this is what this site is for good open discussion about all things football
MK thank you for debating with me sir and I hope no hard feelings and more then likley your next point (as I usually do ) I will 100 percent agree with
Have a good day mate and to all who took part yesterday.


28.) 24 Mar 2019 08:39:02
Whatever you want to call it Smeg, there is a massive movement bigging him up.

Transfermarkt for example, already have him ranked as the 23rd most valuable player on the planet at £72,000,000, 1st in the Bundesliga, and 4th amongst English footballers.

He probably is one of the best 18 year olds on current form. I haven't questioned that. I just said I wasn't "massively" impressed. When I heard people talking about him I went looking expecting to see an 18 year old at the level of Messi, Owen, Fowler etc. That's not to say I didn't watch him and think he was fantastic for his age. I just wasn't as massively impressed as others.

I've seen it all before at Dortmund in terms of teenagers thriving but then fading rapidly or flopping after a big move put a bit of pressure on them. Gotze, Dembele, Pulisic etc. So I'm just wary of saying Sancho is going to be in the "top 5" players in the world off the back of 6 months. That's all.

It was a good debate John though I disagree there was any backtracking. I think you just misinterpreted my first post. I guess it does read a little negatively if you skim it quickly. Agree to disagree, and no hard feelings.


29.) 24 Mar 2019 08:40:19
I think Johncrow and MK agree 9 times out of 10, or maybe 7-8 times 😄.


 

 

 

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