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07 Aug 2017 02:16:01
If Couthino goes, the sun will still rise. I'm interested in the Eds opinion on who will come in as I've read on here a striker. No one is bigger than the club.
Matt in FL.


{Ed001's Note - I do not know of any striker set to sign.}

1.) 07 Aug 2017 07:32:14
I think it's Barcelona just applying pressure and trying to unsettle Coutinho through the media so he demands a move. If we were to sell him I think I'd lose faith in our owners, especially if nobody exceptional replaces him. I'm still positive about it though. For now.

2.) 07 Aug 2017 07:45:22
Agree I'd be very disappointed with the club.
Klopp said at the end of last season we will be getting new players an now he's saying he's happy with his centre half's! Come on klopp you must be joking mate.

3.) 07 Aug 2017 07:54:31
I think am starting to sway towards eds1 feeling about klopp!

4.) 07 Aug 2017 08:16:55
Fowler, Klopp said he would bring in new players. He did not say which players they were or what positions he was looking to strengthen. If you thought he would bring in the players at the positions that you wanted (CB, for example) and for some reason he did not, you drew that conclusion on your own and nothing else so Klopp is not to blame for you drawing the wrong conclusions.

5.) 07 Aug 2017 08:39:03
I'm a big believer in the FSG model of buying quality young players and developing them into title challengers. Even in today's incredible spending I believe a model like this can compete. Key to it however is keeping the stars once they develop.

I ve been a big supporter of FSG to date but if we sell coutinho regardless of who we buy to replace I believe the model will be dead. I would still be very thankful they came along saved the club, built a bigger stadium and significantly improved the squad. It would be time to go in my opinion if coutinho is sold as they would have taken us as far as they could.

At the moment this is all intense speculation so my support continues until something actually happens.

6.) 07 Aug 2017 09:13:58
Dave that comment has to be contradiction at its finest. You're a big believer in the model but if 1 player is sold then the model is dead 🤔.

7.) 07 Aug 2017 09:29:38
Where's the contradiction? The model is based on developing and keeping the players. If one is sold then the model is not being followed, and is dead. Logic is obviously not a strong skill with some on here.

8.) 07 Aug 2017 09:38:09
Jayden, you are missing the point of Davey's post which I agree with. he is saying that we should be able to keep our best players after we have spent time and money in developing them. Right now, we developed Cou into the player he is today, period. He has also made the effort to improve his game as well and he was a massive player for us last season esp. at the end here where his goals and assists (playing at Stoke while severely ill) that helped get us over the line for CL. He is IMO, our best player due to the immense creative influence he has on our team. If we sell him now, we are a selling club and a feeder club for the RM's, Barca's and Bayern's to come in and take their pick and BOOM goes the model.

{Ed002's Note - It is because he wants to leave and has done for some time. You should understand that Coutinho has been looking for this move for more than a year.}

9.) 07 Aug 2017 09:40:06
How is it a contradiction. Im a believer in the model of buying young and building a quality team. That for me only works if you keep your best players regardless of what's offered.

Yes it is dead if we sell coutinho. Today's it's coutinho, next year it's Mane. Ultimately if good money is on the table we are sellers. Good business but it will not win you titles. Ever.

If Fsg don't sell on continue on the path I hope they are on, then it's all good in my opinion. We continue to build a grow.

I'm not contradicting at all. I'm laying out 2 different scenarios. One a recipe for success. The other a recipe for disaster. The next month will decide.

{Ed002's Note - Players are simply transient employees of the club. If you want them to stay loyal and not move on then look to more local and homegrown players.}

10.) 07 Aug 2017 10:03:43
Davey I've re-read your comment and your 2nd comment and I will happily suck back. I happily admit I misinterpreted your initial comment. My bad. Apologies.

11.) 07 Aug 2017 10:07:06
Funny how ed2 says couts been looking for this move for a year but when Keita wanted to leave his club to join us we are the big bad bogey men . This won't be posted as ed 2 doesn't like the truth.

{Ed002's Note - This is the typical coward that changes his name and writes trash like this. I have explained for more than a year about Coutinho and I have explained before about the illegal approaches Klopp has made in respect of Keita. It seems I might well be the only one who cares about the truth. You find it "funny" as you simply don't understand.}

12.) 07 Aug 2017 10:09:03
Spot on, Davey. If we allow Cou's shananigans to go and let him have his wish, then we are screwed as any other player will do the exact same thing to us and then it becomes untenable.

13.) 07 Aug 2017 10:21:06
I get what you are saying Ed but if Man United, Chelsea, Manchester City had liverpools position of a star player on a 5 year contract and reasonably happy they would not sell. Coutinho s head is turned I have no doubt but he can easily be brought back onside. He s lived in liverpool long enough a it cannot simply be the case Barcelona come calling and it's no longer a place of work he can accept.

Costa situation and suarez situations are different. They are untenable positions. This isn't that. The club has to show strength here.

I don't see real madrid selling Ronaldo during his unhappy times.

FSG are at a major crossroads and have a decision to make.

Ultimately coutinho is not the important part of this decision. Like you say he is a transient employee who will leave someday. However the decision to sell a top player under five year contract who has spent years at the club is the key to it. Do we as a club sell players in this position?

If we do this then there is no sustainable model in place to become genuine title challengers.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona has come calling because for more than a year Coutinho has been trying to find a way to make the move Davey.}

14.) 07 Aug 2017 10:45:49
Anyone remember when we sold the young, talented Michael Owen and then next year won the Champions League with possibly the worst squad ever to win the competition?

(Granted we did have Stevie G to thank for most of it. )

15.) 07 Aug 2017 11:06:23
Ed fair enough he's wanted, and being looking for the move for over a year! Was the signing of the contract just to guarantee getting the highest fee possible.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why he signed the contract - probably pressured in to doing it. But the club has known all along about his discussions with the three international colleagues and his agent courting Barcelona.}

16.) 07 Aug 2017 11:08:49
Regardless of them looking for an out the board managed to tie him to a contract during that time. We have to think long term with the decision made on this one because the implications for liverpool a far far greater than selling a player.

Well I could argue the point all day but the kids are pestering me to take them to the park. Take care Ed.

17.) 07 Aug 2017 13:34:02
It has been known for a long time that Coutinho's dream club was Barcelona.

So now Barcelona have come calling, and he wants to go.

Exactly how is that FSG's fault?

Maybe FSG are also to blame for problems in the Middle East, not to mention North Korea?



30 May 2017 01:23:36
Ed's, with Tuchel in Dortmund possibly leaving does that rekindle interest in Pulisic from Klopp? And if you could indulge, what went wrong for Tuchel?


{Ed001's Note - Tuchel was not in charge of transfers at Dortmund. This is not the really the place for the Tuchel thing, but he fell out with the people above him due to his inability to agree with them on almost anything and his constant tinkering.}




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08 Aug 2017 18:42:30
It sucks that Couts is going, but I wish him all the best. I will support the Squad till the day I die, and am omptimistic that we will get a player to make us kick on. I hold out hope for Pulisic. Whatever happens I love the club, and support the manager and owners.
Matt in FL.
I am curious what the Eds expect to happen now?


{Ed001's Note - in what way?}

1.) 08 Aug 2017 19:48:26
420, Pulisic is going nowhere and has said that repeatedly esp. now that Barcelona are negotiating with BVB for Dembele. That won't happen. Love ya positivity tho for the coming season.

2.) 08 Aug 2017 20:24:36
Ed 01, any incoming players? And how do you think the year plays out. I still think top four and a trophy is realistic?

{Ed001's Note - ah ok, I still expect a player or two incoming mate. Top four and a trophy should be the least we expect.}



19 Jun 2017 22:31:18
Is there such a thing as an untouchable transfer? Or in other words, can a club offer enough money to get any player they wanted?


{Ed002's Note - There will be limits.}

1.) 20 Jun 2017 01:21:01
Surely it's largely up to the player, if they are happy and wouldn't leave for any money, and the club doesn't want to sell, they can't be forced to.

{Ed002's Note - No there are players who the club would be unable to buy.}

2.) 20 Jun 2017 09:21:47
Ed, that is what I was trying to say!



06 Jun 2017 22:13:08
Are LFC that bad at transfers? Would you have an idea to the root cause?
Matt in FL.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool know what the rules are and they need to abide by them or take the consequences.}



21 May 2017 18:03:32
Eds, any idea who LFC face in qualifying round?
Thanks for another great season, looking forward to next.
Great job Eds.


{Ed002's Note - Like many others I will await the draw. If I were to tell you all of the fixtures now then that would be a breach of confidence.}

1.) 21 May 2017 18:13:29
Right. the draw.
Cheers Ed.

2.) 21 May 2017 18:31:34
We all know you know the results already Ed, I even heard a whisper that Sepp Blatter only took a fall because they were getting too close to discovering the real Kaiser Souse of world football, yours truly. go on, give us a hint?

3.) 21 May 2017 18:40:17
If United beat Ajax, we will be seeded if that is what you mean?

4.) 21 May 2017 19:15:30
This is from the Independent website on the subject:

Liverpool could have been unseeded for the draw if Zenit St Petersburg had taken the final Champions League spot in Russia, but CSKA Moscow's 4-0 victory over Anzhi Makhachkala on Sunday ended Zenit's hopes of qualification.

Who could they play?

Several European leagues are yet to finish and final positions are to be confirmed, but as it stands, the following teams could qualify for the final Champions League non-champions playoff round.

Liverpool will play one of the unseeded teams.

"/ " teams in italics; * = starts in third round

Seeded teams: Sevilla, Napoli/ Roma, Dynamo Kiev*, Ajax*, Liverpool.

Unseeded teams: Sporting Lisbon, Viktoria Plzen*, CSKA Moscow*, Club Brugge*, Steaua Bucharest*, Young Boys*, Hoffenheim, Nice*, Istanbul Basaksehir/ Besiktas*, PAOK/ Panathinaikos*.

5.) 21 May 2017 19:39:19
Some banana skins in that lot 🤔.

6.) 22 May 2017 11:07:53
A lot of them, Ron.



23 Apr 2017 18:20:35
What are people's opinions on why LFC struggle against not as skilled sides ( not calling them lesser) . Everyone wants Marquee signings, but I feel we need grinders for these type of games. To me it's like a hockey team. Your skilled players play, but sometimes the 3rd and 4th lines can be your best players. They can help break down teams. I honestly don't know ow the answer though
Matt on FL.


1.) 23 Apr 2017 18:28:53
Ask Klopp. He should be the best to answer. He is paid to win such matches. This guy is failing us big time! It's time to start asking question about klopp ability. We have been giving too much excuses for him.

2.) 23 Apr 2017 18:34:32
Not in Europe and still struggling for top 4.
I've been a firm Klopp supporter, but this isn't acceptable.

3.) 23 Apr 2017 18:34:51
Couldn't agree more.

4.) 23 Apr 2017 18:35:43
Well, When team sits back and make it compact we struggle to find space between the lines and relies heavily on Coutinho dropping into the middle to pick those povkets. Our CM's who ever played today has no creativity in splitting a tight defense and can't stop a counter attack as well.

Moreover we play very narrow which makes easier for the opposition to defend against. It's over crowded in the 6 yard box. we have no genuine width and our full backs can't cross nor hit the byline stretching their backline. It's all through Phil and through the middle.

5.) 23 Apr 2017 18:38:16
Because some of our defenders are ill suited to play 1v1 half/ full counters. Lovren is rash, Klavan slow, both lacking in decision making. Milner not quick enough and not 100% LB instincts. Should have been adressed in January, paying the price v Palace.

Can't avoid plugging that gap in the summer, hopefully we'll have CL to help attract players.

6.) 23 Apr 2017 18:44:11
You might want to start with our defense and lovren never mind up top. They offered Nothing but a hopeful ball down the side with lovren flat footed and asleep. Then the second goal. Lovren again just shambolic before the corner was conceded. The corner itself terrible.

I don't care what anyone says. We need another centre back. Klavan and lovren should be moved on in the summer. Whether this happens? If it doesn't and we're looking at the same back line next season Klopp may well be packing his bags as a consequence. You can't win and challenge for anything with Clyne, lovren and Mignolwt in your back line.

7.) 23 Apr 2017 18:48:38
Coaches win games and we saw Conte do that yesterday. It's s fact that klopp has been nothing but plain average. It hurts to hear Liverpool fans continue giving excuses for non performance. What sort of patience is that. For how long are we going to live with this klopp factor. We owe klopp nothing! He is paid to do a good job and I am sorry the gentleman at the moment is not doing that. It's high time we started asking questions whether he is the one to lead Liverpool. He came to us with top pedigree but we not seeing that now. He seems very confused! One more season and if there we are not able to mount any serious challenge then he should be SACKED!

8.) 23 Apr 2017 18:57:54
Hardly Klopp's fault if the players are woeful which too many were today. Ball turned over too easily too often. Can let Benteke wander past him for second. Lovren caught out badly then Clyne caught at back (again) for first. Origi's contribution was pretty much getting in the way and wanting half an hour for every touch. Final ball in from flanks was poor. Liverpool had plenty of chances to draw or win that game just didn't have the ability to deliver a final ball or finish. Struggling to hold onto top 4 place is the level of ability of the current squad.

9.) 23 Apr 2017 19:00:33
It's simple it's the tactics being used, we have been using Zonal Marking for years now and it hasn't worked, we should just play man marking as the players just seem lost in the box for every set piece. Me like everyone can appreciate Klopp wants to play very attacking football and it can be brilliant to watch against the teams who want to attack us but against the lesser teams having so many people forward forces the oposition to sit back and leave us no space to play. I love Klopp and what he stands for but his tactics will never win us the title it's just a fact. I can understand somewhat why he doesn't make substitutions as the team hasn't much depth and we have injurys but that is the clubs fault for not investing in more players in the summer.

10.) 23 Apr 2017 19:26:15
everyone says are attack is great but we lack a great striker. origi can be good on his day but was god awful today. we do better against less denfensive teams because everyone in our team is able to contribute more easily because the opposing team doesn't require expertise to break down. we need to focus on finding a great sriker and defender this summer. I was happy when we bought sakho. we finally splashed cash on a quality defender for once. now we've exiled him. This back 3 ain't working ethier. we don't have the players for it.

11.) 23 Apr 2017 19:29:36
Bad result and performance,
really disappointing.

I think we lack leaders in the team.

Our champions league aspirations have taken a knock but are by no means gone.

Come on the reds.

12.) 23 Apr 2017 20:09:52
Good honest assessment Dermot385 .

13.) 23 Apr 2017 20:10:00
Mogreen, don't cook Sunday roast next weekend, it takes too long. Have a pot noodle instead; it should satisfy your need for instant gratification.

14.) 23 Apr 2017 21:41:50
We lack a striker.

Trade all of firminos running for 20 goals.

And no its not up to the other players.

Hes up there he's the main scorer, the others just add to it.

Expect 10 each from adam, phil and saido and they all delievered.

But firminos got to be hitting 20.

If he did we would be in a much betyer position.

He can do it, he was ruthless at the start of the season.

He bottled one today but kane up front 20 goals. Works hard. Links play does everything and scores.

Theyve finished 2nd last year and potentially the same or better this year.

For me if you want work rate its between adam and rob in the 10 role behind say an aubameyang.

15.) 23 Apr 2017 22:17:15
Super, we can't get Auba, Kane or who ever so mentioning him makes no sense. We lead the PL in goals so not sure what you are talking about needing a striker whereas every man and his dog, knows our issues lie elsewhere.

Spot on Al, and Dermot, our defenders are not good 1v1 defenders so we are always in trouble with an attacker running at them one on one. This is where we need to improve. We also need better quality from our FB's cos they simply lack en product.

As for today, the players who have been great for us for the past 7 games (5 wins and 2 draws), did not show up today and that is disappointing. Can, Wij, Origi, Firmino and Lovren were poor today. We had only one shot on target and a high level of poor decision making in the final third killed us today. CP were NO threat to us and we shut down Zaha totally and Benteke for the most part BUT two individual mistakes = 2 goals and now we are in more than a tight fight for CL. Nothing is decided yet and a win today would NOT have decided anything either. We need to go back to the training ground, figure things out n come back swinging vs Watford.




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27 Jun 2017 17:57:41
LFCOHIO completely disagree about Gini. He keeps our midfield ticking, runs his ass off, contributes goals and assists. This was his first year with the club. What more does he have to show? I feel he will be vital to the club moving forward. Kind of like Lallana, I see Gini improving this year and next.
Just my opinion
Matt in FL.




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25 Jun 2017 15:19:03
I've been reading every window how we need a Marquee signing, splash the cash etc. If the club feel VVD is right for the money then quit fing off and sign him. And if he does come get behind him and don'moan the first mistake he makes
Matt in FL.




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15 Jan 2017 15:37:22
Can someone explain how the club v country thing works? I was under impression that Matip retired from international football. Anyway I am still feeling confident.

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14 Jan 2017 18:31:05
Knob creek or makers mark for bourbon boys. Any scotch recommendation?


{Ed025's Note - my old man only ever drank jamisons or famous grouse mate..



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12 Dec 2016 18:27:01
Cheers ed02
Do you really believe both of coutinho and firminho are out? Is it a matter of champions league?


{Ed002's Note - There is interest, and if Liverpool do nothing again they will consider their options.}




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16 Aug 2017 23:31:53
Maybe one day I'll get to Anfield, for now I settle watching them in Florida. Sometimes on my device on the beach. Seen them in Preseason in Charlotte a few years ago. Got to see Stevie G. Was awesome.
Matt in FL.




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08 Aug 2017 20:24:36
Ed 01, any incoming players? And how do you think the year plays out. I still think top four and a trophy is realistic?


{Ed001's Note - ah ok, I still expect a player or two incoming mate. Top four and a trophy should be the least we expect.}



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25 Jul 2017 22:46:18
Can you all stop bitching till the window closes? Then when it does novel idea, support the team.
Matt in FL.




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10 Jul 2017 04:54:24
I want to mention Robbie Keane. Why was he bought and sold with in half a campaign. Were there underlying issues?


{Ed001's Note - yes. Off field he was not conducting himself the way he should have and so was quickly moved on.}



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09 Jul 2017 23:42:24
Personally think a bid should be placed for vvd, but we have to pay for the way it was handled. I feel an extra 10 million might fix the situation. Looking forward to the next 2 months and we can see what happens
Matt in FL.