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07 Aug 2017 02:16:01
If Couthino goes, the sun will still rise. I'm interested in the Eds opinion on who will come in as I've read on here a striker. No one is bigger than the club.
Matt in FL.

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{Ed001's Note - I do not know of any striker set to sign.}


1.) 07 Aug 2017 07:32:14
I think it's Barcelona just applying pressure and trying to unsettle Coutinho through the media so he demands a move. If we were to sell him I think I'd lose faith in our owners, especially if nobody exceptional replaces him. I'm still positive about it though. For now.


2.) 07 Aug 2017 07:45:22
Agree I'd be very disappointed with the club.
Klopp said at the end of last season we will be getting new players an now he's saying he's happy with his centre half's! Come on klopp you must be joking mate.


3.) 07 Aug 2017 07:54:31
I think am starting to sway towards eds1 feeling about klopp!


4.) 07 Aug 2017 08:16:55
Fowler, Klopp said he would bring in new players. He did not say which players they were or what positions he was looking to strengthen. If you thought he would bring in the players at the positions that you wanted (CB, for example) and for some reason he did not, you drew that conclusion on your own and nothing else so Klopp is not to blame for you drawing the wrong conclusions.


5.) 07 Aug 2017 08:39:03
I'm a big believer in the FSG model of buying quality young players and developing them into title challengers. Even in today's incredible spending I believe a model like this can compete. Key to it however is keeping the stars once they develop.

I ve been a big supporter of FSG to date but if we sell coutinho regardless of who we buy to replace I believe the model will be dead. I would still be very thankful they came along saved the club, built a bigger stadium and significantly improved the squad. It would be time to go in my opinion if coutinho is sold as they would have taken us as far as they could.

At the moment this is all intense speculation so my support continues until something actually happens.


6.) 07 Aug 2017 09:13:58
Dave that comment has to be contradiction at its finest. You're a big believer in the model but if 1 player is sold then the model is dead 🤔.


7.) 07 Aug 2017 09:29:38
Where's the contradiction? The model is based on developing and keeping the players. If one is sold then the model is not being followed, and is dead. Logic is obviously not a strong skill with some on here.


8.) 07 Aug 2017 09:38:09
Jayden, you are missing the point of Davey's post which I agree with. he is saying that we should be able to keep our best players after we have spent time and money in developing them. Right now, we developed Cou into the player he is today, period. He has also made the effort to improve his game as well and he was a massive player for us last season esp. at the end here where his goals and assists (playing at Stoke while severely ill) that helped get us over the line for CL. He is IMO, our best player due to the immense creative influence he has on our team. If we sell him now, we are a selling club and a feeder club for the RM's, Barca's and Bayern's to come in and take their pick and BOOM goes the model.

{Ed002's Note - It is because he wants to leave and has done for some time. You should understand that Coutinho has been looking for this move for more than a year.}


9.) 07 Aug 2017 09:40:06
How is it a contradiction. Im a believer in the model of buying young and building a quality team. That for me only works if you keep your best players regardless of what's offered.

Yes it is dead if we sell coutinho. Today's it's coutinho, next year it's Mane. Ultimately if good money is on the table we are sellers. Good business but it will not win you titles. Ever.

If Fsg don't sell on continue on the path I hope they are on, then it's all good in my opinion. We continue to build a grow.

I'm not contradicting at all. I'm laying out 2 different scenarios. One a recipe for success. The other a recipe for disaster. The next month will decide.

{Ed002's Note - Players are simply transient employees of the club. If you want them to stay loyal and not move on then look to more local and homegrown players.}


10.) 07 Aug 2017 10:03:43
Davey I've re-read your comment and your 2nd comment and I will happily suck back. I happily admit I misinterpreted your initial comment. My bad. Apologies.


11.) 07 Aug 2017 10:07:06
Funny how ed2 says couts been looking for this move for a year but when Keita wanted to leave his club to join us we are the big bad bogey men . This won't be posted as ed 2 doesn't like the truth.

{Ed002's Note - This is the typical coward that changes his name and writes trash like this. I have explained for more than a year about Coutinho and I have explained before about the illegal approaches Klopp has made in respect of Keita. It seems I might well be the only one who cares about the truth. You find it "funny" as you simply don't understand.}


12.) 07 Aug 2017 10:09:03
Spot on, Davey. If we allow Cou's shananigans to go and let him have his wish, then we are screwed as any other player will do the exact same thing to us and then it becomes untenable.


13.) 07 Aug 2017 10:21:06
I get what you are saying Ed but if Man United, Chelsea, Manchester City had liverpools position of a star player on a 5 year contract and reasonably happy they would not sell. Coutinho s head is turned I have no doubt but he can easily be brought back onside. He s lived in liverpool long enough a it cannot simply be the case Barcelona come calling and it's no longer a place of work he can accept.

Costa situation and suarez situations are different. They are untenable positions. This isn't that. The club has to show strength here.

I don't see real madrid selling Ronaldo during his unhappy times.

FSG are at a major crossroads and have a decision to make.

Ultimately coutinho is not the important part of this decision. Like you say he is a transient employee who will leave someday. However the decision to sell a top player under five year contract who has spent years at the club is the key to it. Do we as a club sell players in this position?

If we do this then there is no sustainable model in place to become genuine title challengers.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona has come calling because for more than a year Coutinho has been trying to find a way to make the move Davey.}


14.) 07 Aug 2017 10:45:49
Anyone remember when we sold the young, talented Michael Owen and then next year won the Champions League with possibly the worst squad ever to win the competition?

(Granted we did have Stevie G to thank for most of it. )


15.) 07 Aug 2017 11:06:23
Ed fair enough he's wanted, and being looking for the move for over a year! Was the signing of the contract just to guarantee getting the highest fee possible.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why he signed the contract - probably pressured in to doing it. But the club has known all along about his discussions with the three international colleagues and his agent courting Barcelona.}


16.) 07 Aug 2017 11:08:49
Regardless of them looking for an out the board managed to tie him to a contract during that time. We have to think long term with the decision made on this one because the implications for liverpool a far far greater than selling a player.

Well I could argue the point all day but the kids are pestering me to take them to the park. Take care Ed.


17.) 07 Aug 2017 13:34:02
It has been known for a long time that Coutinho's dream club was Barcelona.

So now Barcelona have come calling, and he wants to go.

Exactly how is that FSG's fault?

Maybe FSG are also to blame for problems in the Middle East, not to mention North Korea?


 

 

30 May 2017 01:23:36
Ed's, with Tuchel in Dortmund possibly leaving does that rekindle interest in Pulisic from Klopp? And if you could indulge, what went wrong for Tuchel?

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{Ed001's Note - Tuchel was not in charge of transfers at Dortmund. This is not the really the place for the Tuchel thing, but he fell out with the people above him due to his inability to agree with them on almost anything and his constant tinkering.}


 

 

 

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16 Sep 2017 14:22:06
Hello all
I wanted to say thanks for the thoughts, we got thru the hurricane fine, just no power so no LFC games to watch. Hopefully they pound Burnley.
Cheers
Matt in FL.

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1.) 16 Sep 2017 14:39:50
Hope everyone in the Florida area gets through it all just like you mate.


2.) 16 Sep 2017 14:50:48
Glad you're OK Matt, couldn't have been nice.


3.) 16 Sep 2017 15:52:28
No way to watch it without spending more money to watch the games that don't get covered by TV. But that package only covers those games so you need both a TV subscription and this new "gold" package. Don't understand how they can charge you 50 bucks for just "the B games"


 

 

06 Sep 2017 03:54:32
Can I ask all you guys for some good thoughts and prayers our way here in Florida. Irma looks like a real bitch
Matt in FL.

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{Ed001's Note - good luck stay safe mate.}


1.) 06 Sep 2017 04:30:07
Stay safe buddy.


2.) 06 Sep 2017 04:59:24
Take care and bunker down - I've been through a couple of category 5's in Taiwan, very intense, very damaging - just make sure you are in a safe place until it's all over.


3.) 06 Sep 2017 05:04:56
Man it looks awful. I'd be getting outta dodge if at all possible. Good luck.


4.) 06 Sep 2017 06:19:46
Hoping for the best possible outcome. I've experienced 2 category 5 hurricanes so I know how dangerous they can be. Hopefully no lives will be lost. Just heard that it has become the most powerful ever recorded over the Atlantic.


5.) 06 Sep 2017 06:27:01
Best wishes mate, as TJRed says - get out of there if you're able to safely though.
Fill your bath up to the top too in case water is cut off, an old tip my friend was taught when she lived over there - you can boil it then bit by bit after until it's back on.
Stay safe fella!


6.) 06 Sep 2017 08:08:08
Have friends in Cuba on holiday warned them it's a biggie but their response was hopefully get an extra week think they could be in for a shock.


7.) 06 Sep 2017 10:56:12
Good luck, mate. Hopefully, Irma is not as devastating as Harvey, Sandy or Katrina.


8.) 06 Sep 2017 14:00:42
Hey Matt, where in Florida are you? I live in Miami and its going to be my second hurricane. Last time I lost a car hopefully this time I'll be luckier. If I'm being really honest my immediate concern apart from trying to find water and petrol is Irma is due to hit on Saturday morning which coincides with us beating Man City. I couldn't bear it if the electricity cut out. Fingers crossed everything is ok and everyone is safe and sound.


9.) 07 Sep 2017 12:00:00
Hold Fast mate.


 

 

02 Sep 2017 20:54:47
Ed002 if you are around,
I'm by no means justifying any thing Klopp did with regards to Vvd. I am curious how tapping up can be avoided in this day and age of social media? And is it tapping up if Klopp were to mention the club wants player x, and it gets posted wherever. Lastly you might already have done this, but what actually is tapping up?
Cheers, thanks for all your hard work and all the Eds as well
Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - It is the extremes some go to. It is nothing to do with photos on Facebook being liked. It has tolerated that agents overstep the mark. It is unacceptable to meet players without the knowledge of their club and remain in contact with them.}


1.) 02 Sep 2017 22:22:34
Incredibly difficult to police, dare I say impossible in fact.
For example, a manager and player of differing clubs might be personal friends/ maybe even related i. e. Steve Bruce and Alex Bruce.
The authorities have their work cut out there sadly in regards to proving tapping up from now on with certain communication lines being completely encrypted.
Might need a complete overhaul of the agent/ player/ club set up.

{Ed002's Note - Just to fix the problem with Klopp? Everyone has done a good job in improving the situation. It is Klopp and the like who really foul it up.}


2.) 02 Sep 2017 23:04:30
Klopp and the like yes, I couldn't agree more!
LFC have to take responsibility for their actions (and I believe they have with Van Dijk by way of their apology and sticking to the word of their related official club statement) in regards to numerous recent incidents or tapping up revelations if you like.
There is no doubt though that LFC are not the first club to do this, nor will we be the last while laws are as easy to break and punishments are as weak as they are currently.
I personally don't get why it's so difficult to stick to rules but they're there to be broken as the saying goes unfortunately.


3.) 03 Sep 2017 08:47:34
It seems easier to break the rules than to follow them, strangely enough.


 

 

30 Aug 2017 19:32:39
Can we app please get behind Ox, and support the team and the player, not be until our mouths. If a Cb (vvd) happens excellent, if not onward and upward.

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26 Aug 2017 17:34:07
Ed's and fellow Reds,
I don't understand why players are slagged off before being given a proper chance. In my mind it isn't fair to judge a player before a full season. Is that naive, and if so, how long should a player be given? I feel that under some people's view, Hendo would be gone. Gini wouldn't have scored the goal in the last game, last year. And let's not forget Lucas. Thoughts?
Matt in FL.

420FL

1.) 26 Aug 2017 18:17:12
Based on why I've read on here, the only player that wouldn't be gone is mane and maybe salah! I think it depends on age, experience, cultural background, style of play and position they are asked to play. Generally I would say 1-2 years but as I mentioned potentially longer for younger players.


2.) 26 Aug 2017 18:34:31
They 'll be lining up for mane next summer that's the way it's been for years it won't change we make players into superstars and expect them to play with average players that's why we have to sign world class and not make them world class.


3.) 26 Aug 2017 19:45:09
The way to keep the players that we make world class is to stay consistently in the top 4, be more fiscally responsible, stay within the rules (no tapping up, etc. ), win silverware. When we do those things, we will have players beating down the doors to join. I personally like standing up to Barcelona and saying no. It's about time we stand up to these teams, keep our best players and be an elite club again.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 00:56:34
Hey Matt, I'm also a Florida Red where you at mate?


 

 

 

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26 Aug 2017 00:26:53
How old is Ox? Why don't people think he can improve. Why does everyone slag off any player before they kick a ball for the club, let alone get a season it dare I say 2.

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26 Aug 2017 00:23:38
Mr Dennis Klavan is a decent squad player. If you would have said Caulker.

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24 Aug 2017 02:42:04
Mignolet is not a problem. The team is going to concede and he is not at fault all the time. Our keepers as a group are strong, competition for the job should make them all better.
FFS support the players.
Matt in FL.

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{Ed001's Note - Migs clearly is a problem, he has reverted back to being dodgy again. We are going to have to revisit that position before he starts costing us games again.}


 

 

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27 Jun 2017 17:57:41
LFCOHIO completely disagree about Gini. He keeps our midfield ticking, runs his ass off, contributes goals and assists. This was his first year with the club. What more does he have to show? I feel he will be vital to the club moving forward. Kind of like Lallana, I see Gini improving this year and next.
Just my opinion
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25 Jun 2017 15:19:03
I've been reading every window how we need a Marquee signing, splash the cash etc. If the club feel VVD is right for the money then quit fing off and sign him. And if he does come get behind him and don'moan the first mistake he makes
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05 Oct 2017 11:55:48
One of my best friends is a Gooner. I had no team but took a rooting interest while watching fa cup final in 2000.
Then I became a die-hard bleed LFC 2004/ 2005, during Champions League. I worked for a couple of guys from Italy, who were very arrogant about how Italy is the best at everything, the USA sucks, England sucks etc. So Andre support Juve, ran his mouth over the 2 legs and lost. His older brother Mike, and Andre ran there mouths about the final, and bet me 100 each. We were at a pub in Pittsburgh for Istanbul. At halftime they were gloating and rubbing it in. Then the rest is history. I collect my winnings, and have loved the with all my heart since then.
I have my 4 and 3 year olds watch with me and sing during the games. When they come to the States I travel to see them.
I absolutely love this club, and all of you and the Eds.
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27 Sep 2017 17:57:10
Nuer, Buffon, and strictly Fantasy, LeBron James. He is tall, super athletic, and imposing. Great hands and just a beast. A few weeks of training. It would be interesting to see.

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23 Sep 2017 17:18:16
You all are invited to the states to watch all the games, NBCSN and NBC televise them all. I pay for a higher DirecTV subscription to watch LFC. Out of curiosity does anyone know how much NBC pays for the rights to broadcast the Prem?

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{Ed002's Note - It is on a sliding scale and the NBC contract cannot be compared to other broadcasters as it is a six year deal rather than a three year deal. In total the amount is $940M and change.}


 

 

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23 Sep 2017 04:44:20
Great post KBL,
While I haven't been a supporter as long, I love the highs and lows that I've witnessed. I love hating United and Everyone (real hatred, especially Sir Alex) . I have thrown things and screamed for joy. I was surrounded by West Ham supporters at a pub in Pittsburgh when Gerrard equalized, I almost got punched and would have loved it. All I want to say is as much as we all love the Club, and the game, in the end it is a game and it entertains and enthralls win, lose or draw.
I consider myself lucky to have been on this site almost daily since I don't know when.
I have yet to see the club win the Premier League but I think it will be coming soon, more patience, no sacking the manager, and we will be rewarded.
After the hurricanes I have been thru, and life in general, there are a precious few things more important than LFC.
Cheers everyone
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01 Sep 2017 16:15:09
There are idiots everywhere
Matt in FL.

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