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17 Oct 2017 21:32:32
Hats off to the lads tonight.
Easy opponent?
Possibly, but you still have to beat them.
Delighted for AOC too!
This has been coming for weeks.
Gotta be happy with tonight's group results.

OIrish Kev 1

1.) 17 Oct 2017 21:52:03
Poor old Maribor were absolutely dreadful, but we were professional enough to finish them off. Never needed to get out of first gear. Delighted for ox. Milner will never have an easier game to play like he did, but fair dues to him. The only negative was wiji didn't do a great deal to impose himself on the game but I'm probably being a little harsh.


2.) 17 Oct 2017 22:07:02
There are lots of so called easy teams in the Champions League but not too many get beat 7-0 on their own ground. It was a superb result and a clean sheet.


3.) 17 Oct 2017 22:36:16
Spot on, Irish. There are no easy opponents in the CL, I'm afraid. This same Maribor team took points off Spartak, Spartak blasted Sevilla and Appoel took points off BVB. We smacked Maribor 7-0 on the road and could have been 10 easily. Hats off to the boys and Klopp!


 

 

05 Oct 2017 07:13:10
This has probably been asked before, but I'm just curious as to what made all of you guys become supporters of this club.

Obviously some hail from the area, while others such as myself became supporters for various other reasons.

Mine was because I loved watching Ray Houghton play for the ROI and this then got me interested in Liverpool FC.
When I saw them play for the first time I was mesmerised.

Grobbelaar, Hanson, Nicol, McMahon, Whelan (not Glenn lol), Houghton, BARNES (my god what a player), Beardsley (outstanding), King Kenny, Rush, Aldridge and even Rosenthal.
What a group of exciting players.

Then there was the stadium, I simply fell in love with it immediately, from the red nets to the red seats - I was mesmerised.

Then there was the fans, the atmospheres they produced, the singing, the sportsmanship of when they stayed back in the stadium to applaud Arsenal when they stole the title from us in 1989 with the last kick of the season.

"You'll never walk alone. "
There was nothing like this club anywhere from what I saw and that's still the case now 30 years later.

I'd be interested to hear any of your reasons for falling in love with LFC if you want to share below, or any other club's supporters are more than welcome to express why they became fans of their preferred choice.

Thanks.

OIrish Kev 1

{Ed001's Note - because I either supported Liverpool or me ma would have disowned me and made me sleep on the streets....}


1.) 05 Oct 2017 07:25:57
I'd suggest that's as good a reason as any mate lol.
Never, NEVER upset the ma!
I think I can even remember the first match I watched, it was either a 4 nil away win against Boro with a hattrick for Aldridge if memory serves, or a 3-2 home win against Southampton.
Jimmy Case actually scored in that game against us and Houghton scored the winner about 8 minutes from time with a cross shot from the edge of the box - oh the memories lol!

{Ed025's Note - i am a man of the people kev so its obvious why i support the "peoples club", a born and bred scouser i got my calling nearly 60 years ago and although its not been easy at times my love for them never wanes, evertonians are born not manufactured mate, favourite player...bob latchford..


2.) 05 Oct 2017 07:45:17
I had no choice either, I basically grew up around a Liverpool family so that's who I supported lol.


3.) 05 Oct 2017 08:06:04
My two brothers are a few years older than me Corleone, they supported Arsenal and Man Utd.

They were obsessed with Charlie George, George Graham, Charlie Nicholas, Bryan Robson, Brian McClair, Mal Donaghy and the likes - they never even slightly turned my head lol.


4.) 05 Oct 2017 08:15:55
Fell in love with the color, fans and anthem. Fowler was one of the main reason. I was so much obsessed with him that I started supporting Leeds when he went to them as my second team!
You don’t chose liveroool, Liverpool chose you.
But these days I am obsessed with Ed025 😄😄😄. I am gutted he is not a LFC fan. Ed01 should take him to his mom!


5.) 05 Oct 2017 09:44:36
Yep had no say in the matter whatsoever 😂
Remember seeing my first match at anfield, it was a 2-0 win against Middlesbrough, Owen and Berger scoring, remember being quite young and sitting quite close to the boro fans, heard some industrial language that day.
Can't remember my first game on tv though, going back a long time for that.


6.) 05 Oct 2017 09:46:41
As a young boy I used to sit down with my grandad who watched a lot of football. We enjoyed the team in red as they acted like the ball belonged to them and soon I learnt the names of the players I was watching - Barnes, Beardsley, Rush with Kenny coming on for a cameo.


7.) 05 Oct 2017 10:20:49
I remember watching World of Sport with Dickie Davies one Saturday and there was a clip of Liverpool from the the previous week so I said to my older brother Dessie"Who's that team in the Red? and when he told me I asked were they any good and his word's back to me were"They're the best team in the world little brother"and I was sold.


8.) 05 Oct 2017 10:28:05
You don't choose the club it chooses you.


9.) 05 Oct 2017 10:35:44
Growing up in South Africa, in the early 80s, we didn't have much English football screened as we do now. I vaguely remember watching a match for the 1st time. Liverpool vs Millwall. Fa cup I think. Barnes scored a free kick. Grobelar made a few good saves. As 1 of the guys said above, you don't find Liverpool. Liverpool finds you.


10.) 05 Oct 2017 11:55:48
One of my best friends is a Gooner. I had no team but took a rooting interest while watching fa cup final in 2000.
Then I became a die-hard bleed LFC 2004/ 2005, during Champions League. I worked for a couple of guys from Italy, who were very arrogant about how Italy is the best at everything, the USA sucks, England sucks etc. So Andre support Juve, ran his mouth over the 2 legs and lost. His older brother Mike, and Andre ran there mouths about the final, and bet me 100 each. We were at a pub in Pittsburgh for Istanbul. At halftime they were gloating and rubbing it in. Then the rest is history. I collect my winnings, and have loved the with all my heart since then.
I have my 4 and 3 year olds watch with me and sing during the games. When they come to the States I travel to see them.
I absolutely love this club, and all of you and the Eds.
Matt in FL.


11.) 05 Oct 2017 12:32:46
When I was six I had no interest in football but every kid I knew said they supported Liverpool (it was the mid-80s) so I said I supported them to. 10 years later I got into football in a major way and, as I had no local team (I didn't live in Putney then) Liverpool remained my team. Fowler, Redknapp and McManaman were my first heroes.


12.) 05 Oct 2017 12:59:33
I grew up in Zimbabwe and supported Liverpool because of Grobs and Liverpool we’re pretty much the only team getting real airtime. been in love ever since and the 2005 CL final was one of the most memorable nights ever, as well as watching every minute of 2013 season and hardly miss a game even if rarely make it to Anfield due to distance (now based in Asia) .

Hearing YNWA, watching the fans sing it, and seeing the history and the respect afforded the players and staff that made it what it is today is what makes me proudest to support this club, it’s another level to share that love for the club.


13.) 05 Oct 2017 14:53:26
Who needs a reason? The answer is simple - BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE!


14.) 05 Oct 2017 15:05:34
Started watching English football in the mid 90's as a 10yr old.

I'm Australian so we really only saw an hourly highlights show on every Monday night for the weeks games and FA cup finals.

I remember watching that highlights show and seeing Fowler for the first time. Was sold then and there that LFC was my team.


15.) 05 Oct 2017 08:00:24
The people's club? Tranmere?!

Ah that's nice that you support the 2nd biggest club in and around Liverpool mate, well done :)

Everton are a great club Ed025, they might be our nearest rivals but let's be honest, it's a friendly rivalry for most - nothing but respect from my end for them blues.

Maybe I'm just soft, but I always look out for Everton scores in the hope they've won (not while Rooney is with you though - not a particularly nice human being for me) .

{Ed025's Note - im not ringing him up to go for a bevvy anytime soon either kev, but he has had an excellent career mate..


16.) 05 Oct 2017 20:27:46
As a kid growing up in the 80's in Nigeria, they started showing MOTD games and as LFC games were always on and they always seemed to win all the time. The red jerseys, shorts and socks just stood out and there was KK, Rush, Johnston, McDermott, Souness and Grobbelaar playing and that was it. I became a Liverpool fan from age 8 and will NEVER look back come hell or high water, till I'm dead.


17.) 05 Oct 2017 21:33:27
Liverpool vs Everton FA Cup final in 85 i think it was. "Aussie" Craig Johnston scored. As an Aussie kid at the time, i was hooked.


18.) 06 Oct 2017 10:45:51
One of my parents friends is a big Utd fan and because I've always been gobby, I said I was a Liverpool fan when I was about 7-8. For no other reason than to wind him up. Unfortunately for me this was during the twilight of the Souness area so he had a fair few more bragging rights than me.


19.) 06 Oct 2017 10:46:50
Oh my favourite player was obviously Fowler. My childhood hero.


20.) 06 Oct 2017 10:50:44
Not really down to my parents, they're from Nigeria and not mad about football, unlike me. I'm born and raised in Huyton (St. Johns to be exact) and everyone is either red or blue (mostly red) . So basically me best mate who is a mad red got me supporting them when I was 4. Only a year later, his dad managed to get three season tickets and because my mate is an only child I got the third season ticket as a five year old, which I was so happy about at the time, because even then I knew my parents could never afford those tickets.

I still have that same season ticket and I go the match with them with the same season ticket. My mates dad unfortunately died, but he told me his dad wanted me to give my little brother his season ticket, which trust me, made a fourteen year olds Christmas.


21.) 06 Oct 2017 09:19:15
Sadly you're right there Ed025.

I can't take that away from him, much as I'd like to.

If you do go out for bevvys together, at least you'll have a designated driver after eh?! :)

{Ed025's Note - no way kev..hes got more points than everton mate..


 

 

03 Oct 2017 11:24:05
Not having a go at the owners, the manager, coaches, previous managers, players or anything to do with LFC; just looking for opinions from LFC supporters on something.

First let me make it clear that in my eyes we owe the FSG a lot for how they pulled our club from the verge of destruction from the two leeches that were H and G.

There's no doubt that they have set us on the right path to remain a stable and secure club. They have backed various managers in the transfer market at times and have at times allowed these managers to bid incredible amounts of money for what turned out to be average and totally unproven as well as unjustified purchases ie Downing, Carroll, Johnson, Aquilani etc. (they were bang average players who were only decent at their previous clubs, let's be honest here) .

Can FSG take us further though? I fully believe they want to, but can they? They, like the current manager, players, coaches, you and I have made plenty of mistakes along the way. They will probably make plenty more, again like us all.

But for us to ever fully get back to the top of the league, do we need new and wealthier owners who can buy whoever we need, whenever we need them? Literally, trial and error like almost in terms of players like City/ Chelsea have done in the last decade, stock-piling players, loaning out most etc. or off-loading failed high profile purchases like Stevan Jovetic, De Bruyne etc?

I personally wouldn't want it, but if you want to win the league (Leicester's fluke/ incredible story aside - no disrespect intended), or at least get close consistently, it seems like you have to spend to the maximum allowed like all of today's front runners do to get to the top.

We have seeming had interest (not sure how serious) in Salah, Mbappe and Lemar this summer, as well as VVD, Keita etc - all of these would have been huge fees if they materialised, are we kidding ourselves, could we have even paid for all or even 3 or 4 of these in the same window/ season? I doubt we could with Financial Fair Play playing a role as well as the debt we are still servicing, the news stand and so on.

So like I say, do FSG have the wherewithal to get us back to the very top in financial terms and all the rest, or do we all need a change?
Liverpool FC fans, feel free to have your say, interested to hear any opinions.

OIrish Kev 1

1.) 03 Oct 2017 12:25:23
FSG has once again spend a good chunk this window and it’s sad to see people pointing fingers at them for not signing VVD and Messi in the summer.
Money would give you players YES! But that alone won’t win you title. You need a good manager to use those players and their strength to full!
If that was not the case David Moyes would have won trophies at UTD!


2.) 03 Oct 2017 12:39:29
Money's not the most important thing but of course the richer teams generally do better, they can attract the best players more regularly. In that light FSG will struggle to make us consistently the best team in the country because they don't have the funds.

Having said that good management can go some of the way to countering a lack of funds. Dortmund and Athletico are two examples from Europe in recent years, Spurs currently and Arsenal 15-20 years ago are others.

If we want to challenge consistently being as rich as chelsea and the Manchester clubs would help but, think of the moral high ground we'd take if we won without spending as much as them.


3.) 03 Oct 2017 12:44:36
Well thought out post, OIrish. Love it. IMO, FSG have gotten a lot wrong and right at the same time which is okay provided we are going in the right direction globally which we are. Now regarding whether they can take us forward in this day and age of the PL, is something that I think can be done PROVIDED we are very smart, meticulous and steadfast in our approach to transfers, management, scouting, coaching etc. The fact of the matter is that if we are looking for FSG to do what City and Utd do every season by dropping close to 250m every season on players then sorry, we are barking up the wrong tree here cos we ain't got that kind of money to throw around evry season. We tried that under Rafa and we all know how that played out. That much is a fact.

What we can do is to do exactly what Spurs are doing as in, being very smart in the players we target and the scouting team needs to be top notch. We need to strive to become the team that can find a Kante from the depths of French football and take a chance on such players, all while doing their due diligence on the player through extensive research. Spurs are able to compete by doing this right now BUT can they win the PL doing this? Only time will tell BUT they have a much better chance than say Arsenal or us right now (last season and 7 games in this season) which is all you can ask for.

It also helps when you have the fans onside who despite whatever may be going on, understand what is being done and have the patience to persevere through sticky times, something Poch has (who is yet to win a thing with Spurs despite being there longer than Klopp) to his benefit that Klopp does not have cos some of our fans are so quick to turn on him cos he lost 2 games out of 15 in all comps this season. That is just my take.


4.) 03 Oct 2017 13:10:33
Fair points from WCD, Putney and Bingo.

I have to say we are lacking in my opinion in the scouting department it seems, we have missed so many good players down the years before they "made it" it's scary.

I remember hearing about Radamael Falcao over a decade ago, he was at River Plate in Argentina. He was going for £2m and I just couldn't believe we didn't move for him, even I (a un-knowledgeable football fan) could see he had that something special.

A work permit wouldn't have been a huge issue either as he played regularly for Colombia. His first language is Spanish so he'd have had no issue if we had to loan him to Spain for a couple of seasons to secure one. It was a no/ low risk move, missed our chance.

Instead we spent about £1m to £2m on David N'Gog lol.

We have also failed with players like Shelvey and Danny Wilson for about the same amount.

So I do agree that if we got our scouting sorted, we'd be in great shape.

Do Ajax grow their own scouts or what?

We need to borrow one or two off of them if possible :)


5.) 03 Oct 2017 13:30:13
Now, you're talking, OIrish. As Putney said, money definitely helps you compete BUT it is not the only way as Spurs is showing right now. The scouting dept. needs a true revamp from top to bottom. Ed01 has said as much on numerous occasions.

Also, the difference btw Rafa's time and now is that there is more money in the PL than there used to be so we can actually sign who we want, who fits with what Klopp wants to do with the right scouting and due deligence. See VVD and Keita for example. We got Keita for a cut price less than the 75m we bid earlier and perhaps we'll get VVD for a cut price as well cos well, he already checked out of S'Hampton. Rafa could not do these types of deals for these types pof amounts back then back BUT now, Klopp actually can due to the PL being flush with cash right now.

This is where we need to focus a lot of our resources on cos our manager has been successful before doing the exact same thing. Now, he has more money to spend on the players he actually wants so the hope is, we can compete w/ o crippling the club as Spurs is actually showing they can BUT will they be successful in the long run? That is the question.


6.) 03 Oct 2017 13:36:13
We used to be great at finding hidden gems. Still not bad when you look at coutinio solanke and can. I remember laughing when we signed hypia and henchoz. I laughed instead of crying as I thought they would be awful. Average henchoz and unknown hypia, and I genuinely remember people saying "why is he starting that kid at right back, " that kid was steven Gerrard. What a defence they turned out to be.


7.) 03 Oct 2017 13:44:12
Olrish and I quote

"But for us to ever fully get back to the top of the league, do we need new and wealthier owners who can buy whoever we need, whenever we need them? Literally, trial and error like almost in terms of players like City/ Chelsea have done in the last decade, stock-piling players, loaning out most etc. or off-loading failed high profile purchases like Stevan Jovetic, De Bruyne etc? "

FSG and Liverpool's bank accounts are not connected.

Liverpool Football Club need to pay for players transfer fees, wages, stadium running costs and all other expenses occurred via the Income Liverpool generates.

FSG have also loaned massive amounts of money to Liverpool but that equals to a business transaction. The money loaned by FSG becomes a debt onto the club. It gets recorded in the club accounts. The money loaned by FSG to LFC cannot be for free, it has to be payed back. The more money loaned to LFC by FSG, the more the debt of LFC rises. Simply a lose lose situation for both LFC and FSG.

What more do you want FSG to do? Since they took over, the clubs financial status has improved significantly. Things like building the new stand will further increase the clubs income going forward.

Just forget about the money for a second as if Southampton were going to give in at the end of the summer window, VVD would have signed for LFC which would have seen LFC outspend City in the window.


8.) 03 Oct 2017 13:46:06
Ed002 has posted in great detail about third party ownership kev and could suggest that as a massive reason we/ anybody else didn't sign him. Looks more likely when you consider he moved to Porto where this was regular practice. In reality they probably paid about 5million euros for half of his economic rights.

{Ed001's Note - and he moved to Atletico with 3rd party ownership still involved.}


9.) 03 Oct 2017 14:02:05
Yes Ed001, Falcao is surely one of the most high profile payers involved with TPO in recent times. A question if you have time ed, was it correct we had to pay a fee to sort out TPO issues with firmino when we signed hime? or is this incorrect and disallowed in the german league?

{Ed001's Note - I believe there was something of a problem with his ownership at the time, though Ed002 is really the person who would know.}


10.) 03 Oct 2017 14:11:08
I agree with your view on Scouting department Olrish. That is an area we have struggled badly over the years! If their choices and findings are AOC and Wijnaldum then that’s clear they need to be replaced!


11.) 03 Oct 2017 17:55:28
Harry, you know you could just make a valid point w/ o all the childish digs at the players, right?


12.) 03 Oct 2017 22:16:50
Money is not the issue, success is.
Man City discovered this when they came into money and started talking about signing Messi and Rooney 😄
They soon realised it's not that simple. You have to build success before the really great players will come.

We need to start winning things and regularly challenging before we can sign really great players.


13.) 04 Oct 2017 08:45:18
Max, I wasn't for a second suggesting that their accounts were/ were not linked, apologies if it looked like that - I'm not privy to any details of the club that might be considered HCI or even CI.

I also as clearly as I could possibly do it, pointed out that I wasn't in any way having a go at FSG or anyone for that matter.
You asked "what more could I want them to do? "
I never said I wanted them to do anything Max!

I simply asked for Liverpool fans to give me their opinions, which you did and you made some very good points at times but for heaven's sake man, read the post before going for my neck next time or just skim over completely next time please.


14.) 04 Oct 2017 08:46:47
Hey Back! Yes mate, very good point on 3rd party ownership - i had never taken that into account on Falcao, many thanks for reminding me and pointing that out, cheers!


15.) 04 Oct 2017 09:19:36
I would be inclined to disagree Ron sorry.
Are you saying that we'd be challenging for titles now if we won the two cup finals a season and a bit ago?
Not having a go, just trying to clarify what you mean mate.

We obviously took 4th place last season which is like winning a trophy these days with the rewards that come, so why are we still not progressing?
Money in my opinion brings in top players who get/ ask for top wages (which we can't offer currently) and this then leads to success.

See Chelsea for a prime example of that - what did they win before Abramovich?
Hardly anything in years, as soon as he comes in, they buy the top young talent mostly.

2003 - Makelele (who came from a bigger club because Chelsea paid higher wages), 2004 - Carvalho, Duff, Cech, Thiago Mendes, Kezman and Robben off the top of my head.

They hadn't won a league title before these transfers so how did they entice them? Location helps of course, but don't underestimate the power of higher wages/ transfer fees and bonuses.


 

 

26 Sep 2017 18:15:27
Come on the lads tonight.
I had faith they'd win 3 - 1 on Saturday.
I have slightly more that they'll win tonight - all depends on a couple of decent performances at the back with any luck going too.
2 - 1 to us is my prediction.

OIrish Kev 1

 

 

21 Sep 2017 20:23:01
You'll never walk alone is it?
A few poor results and people calling for Klopp to be sacked, incredible. Incredibly stupid if you ask me.

You all whined like babies in the summer when Coutinho wanted out as he felt he was too big for our club.
You all moaned and complained.
Now the very same people feel our club has outgrown the manager or he's unable to take us further or he's not as good as you thought.
Have you had a listen to yourselves before you type this bs?

You want silverware?
Oh wake up, it's not a magic trick.
We're lucky to be in the Champions league. That was a magic trick to get us there.

We have no God given right to win a cup or league, NONE.
We're not the leading club anymore, we're barely hanging onto being the 5th or 6th biggest club.
We haven't won a league in 27 plus years.
To explain that, Lovren was a baby when it last happened.

We might never win the league again who knows?! No club can guarantee anything anymore.
If you want a better chance of your club winning a title, start following Juventus or Bayern Munich.

So let's say Klopp is sacked, who comes in?
Stevie G?
You want to tarnish that legendary player's career too?
How long will you give him?

Kenny got us to 2 finals and was sacked.
Sure we finished well down the table but never in all my years have I seen us hit the post in one season.
Nor have I seen any other team do it either. What a way for him to sign off, sacked after one season.

Now we have Klopp, who make no mistake is world class and you want him gone too 5 league games in?!
Well you can walk alone folks because you are nothing short of a disgrace and a fraudster posing as a Liverpool "fan".

I expect it from other clubs about their managers, even from other club's supporters about our manager but not from our own trying to get our own sacked.

Well you can walk alone lads, walk on with spite in your hearts and find another club to "support", hang your heads!

OIrish Kev 1

1.) 21 Sep 2017 20:35:39
Completely agree mate. The same fans will be wee thing in a few years when Klopp goes to Bayern Munich 🙄.


2.) 21 Sep 2017 20:42:03
Klopp is that much world class in 3 seasons he still cannot organise defenders. A pathetic post from someone settling for mediocrity. You are the prime example of a Liverpool supporter with no ambition whatsoever.


3.) 21 Sep 2017 20:43:41
Been away for a couple of weeks lads, much been happening? 🤔🤔🤔.

{Ed025's Note - not really sandon, klopp still getting pelters, the B team is not very good and your not winning the league...same old same old mate..


4.) 21 Sep 2017 21:06:11
Constructive criticism at its very best 😎.


5.) 21 Sep 2017 21:06:58
. and Everton in the bottom three.

{Ed025's Note - nice one tommy..


6.) 21 Sep 2017 21:07:33
The one the op is damn right what he is saying u need to give your head a shake before flapping your gums just to here your own voice.
You talk about no ambition is ambition sacking klopp for fat sam?
We are in it for the long run without sugardaddys, a young team that if al goes well will hopfully be together and win things together for a decade not just a quick fix for a cpl of seasons.
In true posters like you make me sick to my back teeth!


7.) 21 Sep 2017 21:08:50
isn't irish kev 1 entitled to his opinion that's what its all about different opinions so if klopp can't organise a defence why don't we just dump him and get PULIS in god that would be exciting.


8.) 21 Sep 2017 21:12:03
Yes MK at this rate he could well be hauling a big empty trophy cabinet with him, on the bottom of it "property of LFC".

Seriously tho. He needs to win a trophy this season or he will have the same record as Rodgers before he got the bullet. How would that make him any better? It doesnt!

Surely the roll of a manager is to assemble a team to win games and trophies and not just talk a good game?

For me, i just see people happy to make excuse after excuse but an empty trophy cabinet says it all for me.

Anyway, im bored now. We shall see at the end of the season, hopefully im wrong and i will be ecstatic if i am but i don't think i will be, sadly.


9.) 21 Sep 2017 21:17:41
The Irish

My humble suggestion is to put a tag line at the top ". Constructive Criticism" and everything will be fine!


10.) 21 Sep 2017 21:38:16
I think everybody wanted the defence sorting out.
We wanted the club to fix the leaking goals issue of last year.
But now we haven't sorted a damn thing, fans are getting a little bit annoyed with the de ja vu.
Like I said a few weeks ago, It's going to be the old battle for 4th place finish as per, no trophies though sadly, not with this squad.


11.) 21 Sep 2017 22:31:10
Ironic that your name is the one.
Are you sure it's the one?
When did Klopp come to LFC?
I'll answer it for you because you have an issue with numbers, October 2015.
That makes it less than 2 years still.
So change your name man and while you're at it, change your club I'd suggest.


12.) 21 Sep 2017 22:35:34
Why are you comparing Klopp and Rodgers?
Why not compare him to Woy while you're at it?
Do you seriously think we'll win a league title or more in the next decade?
Your expectations are crazy if so.
Fabio Capello could take us over in his prime and he would struggle with us and your expectations.


13.) 21 Sep 2017 22:39:10
Fowler9, Fans are getting annoyed, I understand that but calling for the chop is just ridiculous.
I'd take 4th place every year for the next 5 years if offered to me right now.
Maybe I'm not ambitious enough or maybe I'm realistic, the latter I would suggest.


14.) 21 Sep 2017 22:41:02
Yes redsteve lol. Let's get Pulis, Shawcross and Huth while we're at it mate.


15.) 21 Sep 2017 22:41:56
Nice one here's Jonny. Well said mate.


16.) 21 Sep 2017 22:50:24
Exactly MK.
They don't deserve the term "fans".
Need to come up with a new term for them.
I'll tell you one thing right now in all seriousness and all jokes aside.
Shanks would be turning in his grave God rest him if he knew the way these "fans" turned out 40 plus years after his time with us.
He made it what it was, these idiots are trying to strip it's soul away.
They don't own the club thankfully, but they think they do.
They'd run it into the ground given half a chance.
They don't understand true support, you'd think we were in the relegation zone .
Five games in, FIVE!
The fan base has been going this way for years, down hill.
These days I'm nearly ashamed to be a Liverpool supporter due to their behaviours.
Idiotic fools.


17.) 21 Sep 2017 22:56:02
Can I just ask what makes Klopp "world class"?


18.) 21 Sep 2017 23:16:20
Spot on, OIrish and MK. TheOne, enough of that stuff about people putting in well-thought out posts meaning that they are settling for mediocrity, just cos you disagree with them. That whole stuff is played out and stale cos you are no bigger fan than any of us here and don't think that OIrish, MK, myself and many others on here are not frustrated about the issues we have.

What we don't do is come on here and whine about it, slate the manager, call for his head as that is not productive. News Flash: We have been mediocre for over 2 decades in the PL and that is a fact. Or did we just become mediocre when Klopp arrived? We were on the cusp a few times of getting it done BUT we did not and did not kick on the season after. Klopp is trying to fix that and we can agree that he has stood in his own way at times and that is all on him. For me, he has taken us forward from where he found us and that much is clear. Can we do better? Yes. Is he trying his best to get the right players in? Yes and Ed01 has provided info of that. Now you can either choose to believe that and see the positives overall and hope for the best or keep wallowing in your "holier than thou or I have a right to moan" space. That is your choice BUT spare us the "you are rooting for mediocrity crap just cos someone uses some perspective in their post to describe the big picture. By the way, nothing is ever won or lost after 5 measly games in the PL. NOTHING! With that attitude, Poch should be out of a job by now as he can't win a game at home this season or ZZ should be off at RM as they are even worse than us in la Liga right now.


19.) 21 Sep 2017 23:26:13
Irish, I disagree. What did BR win while he was here for 3 years? Not even a cup cake. So why is Klopp suddenly a failure cos he did not win a trophy last season (as this season is NOT over)? People not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water after 5 measly games, does not mean they are making excuses for the manager as that is patently false. You may choose to do that and that is your right BUT stop calling other people what they are not just cos they disagree with you.

Ed01 gives us the info as to why Klopp does what he does and makes the choices he makes. Some are logical (agree or not) and others are just mistakes like the tapping up and the GK mess. If it was that easy to build a team, how come City and Utd who have spent over 400m in the last two seasons on players, haven't won the PL? Bottom line is no one knows the future and what Klopp will win or not win so the projecting of opinions as facts should stop. You are entitled to your opinion BUT not entitled to your own facts.


20.) 21 Sep 2017 23:27:03
This is one of the best posts I have read on here, well said.


21.) 22 Sep 2017 00:16:21
Sacking the manager will achieve nothing. Since there are no quality replacements available and it would compound the situation. That isn’t to say that we aren’t in crisis, because we are, we are shipping goals left right and centre, we’re soft in midfield and centre defence and there’s no answer to that on the horizon. It is hard to see where our next win is going to come from given our current form and Leicester, who saw us off easily in mid week are our next opponents. It’s not getting better any time soon.


22.) 22 Sep 2017 00:44:04
i agree 100% with the OP. These village idiots need to do one and find another club to 'support'. We are a work in progress and a damn exciting one.
We will have some bumps in the road but let's get behind the club and manager and at least try to push this team to its potential.
Have non of you realised that your petty bitching and moaning it's actually contributing to the problem? The players are petrified to make a mistake for fear of being hammered by these imbeciles which in turn leads to mistakes. Nobody is settling for mediocrity more than 'the one' as he's quite happy to knock down his own team because is his tiny mind he thinks he has all the answers. Absolute joke.
The players should feel invincible when they walk out at Anfield but instead they look nervous and apprehensive and that is down to brainless cretins that spend way too much time on football manager and think they can 'organise a defence' better than a man that's won 2 Bundesliga titles and whose Dortmund team was once considered the best side in Europe at a tiny fraction of the cost of most of his peers.
Klopp is a top, top manager. He didn't get his defensive targets this summer so we were always going to have a problem but it's down to recruitment not management and he's not willing to spend money on players that don't fit the mould. Bang on in my view.
One more point I'm sorry to go on but I'm getting wound up by these bottom feeders.
When Klopp arrived he went to great lengths to try to get the crowd onside. He thanked the fans for their support in the West Brom draw (and got ridiculed for all the wrong reasons) he even had a go at the fans when they were being negative on the side of the pitch and in his press conferences and it seemed we'd turned a corner. Now though I fear we have gone back to our old ways and like Klopp I think it is completely counter productive. But hey you keep on bitching and hammering the players every time we concede a goal or don't win a game because you know best.
Oh and 'The One' Klopp has been manager for 2 years with only 1 full season under his belt. Adding years to back up your feeble argument just shows you up to be a clueless troll.


23.) 22 Sep 2017 01:02:01
Let's all calm down. we actually have a team playing fairly well - creating this many chances doesn't come from no-where - but everyone knows, including Klopp, we need to fix the defense. I get frustrated too at the shambles at the back but the reality is the last 4 games have been annoying but hardly a disaster, and we need to see how the team is performing over time - not just a knee jerk reaction to a few sloppy goals.

If we manage to get top four this season it'll be the first time in a long time successive campaigns in a very very tough league, and then hopefully Gomez and TAA a year older, a couple of major signings in defence, and Keita coming in and we'll be stronger still.

Thats a lot more likely to lead to success than yet another change in manager and a roll of the dice with a new system, and a couple more years in transition!


24.) 22 Sep 2017 01:31:40
For all do the talk of people wanting klopps head I've not actually see manynif any, just people moaning about people calling for klopps head 🤔.


25.) 22 Sep 2017 07:05:07
Thanks Bingo and well said fella!

Thanks for your positive post Corleone.

Great post Ings n things - another extremely sensible post from you, love it.

SGRed, mate, I think you need to only look around.
The media is stirring it, the critics/ experts/ sharks are 100% circling.
Been a fan for a long, long time (a span of 5 different decades) - that doesn't make me a more knowledgeable or better fan, but I have learned to understand how to read between the lines as to what's underlying.
If we lose to United at home, wait for the boos.
It's so predictable it's insane.
Next you'll have boos when we dare to only draw a match or two, god forbid we lose a match.
Social Media whiners will be out in force as well as these critics/ experts/ sharks will circle even more aggressively.
They have to make a name for themselves don't you know, they have to sell papers, click bait Youtube experts need views etc. etc.
They get hungrier by the minute.
Rival fans chime in too posing as Liverpool fans, don't be so naive to think that doesn't happen, it does.
The list goes on.
Media frenzy and the man who can get big names for us is sacked, in comes Mark Hughes and we slip away into total obscurity with the Barcelona cast off players he brings in.
Sounds great eh?
I'll give that last part a skip.
And before you say "you're only guessing the future", take a look above at some of the posts about how Klopp won't win this or that or we won't finish in the top 4 - this is from other posters who are clairvoyant, please have a go at them for their future assessments/ predictions if you have a go at me.

Stand-United, nothing personal mate, but I don't need to justify Klopp to you or anyone, read Ings n things' post if you want to know.
Still don't think that?
No problem, but know he's our highest rated manager in a long time so that'll do me - he has actually proven himself and won trophies.
Klopp won trophies in more than one season, so for how many years did he use another man's squad when he helped to turn Dortmund into a top side?
(By the way, he has always shared in his successes with Buvac his assistant, whom he calls "the brain", so is he also to be written off now too? )
Rafa won with Houllier's squad in 2005 and 2006 then?

JohnBarnesleftpeg - are you living under a rock currently mate? Lol!
Do you read the posts on here/ elsewhere or just comment blindly like some of the other posters mate?

Mr. Dennis - thanks again for your positivity mate.
Remind me again to not seek your assurances if nuclear war comes to town - just keep on keeping on I guess :)


26.) 22 Sep 2017 08:00:52
Just telling it as it is. We’ve massive problems and we’ve not got the quality in vital areas of the pitch, none of our centre backs appear to be able to step up for various reasons and only Gomes escapes any real criticism because of his age and the fact he’s still coming back from major injuries, as for our soft underbelly in midfield, it just leaves our weak defence over exposed at the best of times. Tel me Kev? After the last few performances can you see anything being different against Leicester on Saturday, because with largely the same personel in defence and midfield I can’t.


27.) 22 Sep 2017 08:30:50
Ingsy, you beauty. That was awesome. It's high time someone gave these bottom feeders the business, big time.

OlIrish, I love your post as well as you have read the situation perfectly from a fan and media stand point.

SGRED, The media, trolls and fake fans are circling and trying to get Klopp sacked by putting pressure on him. Had this been Pep or Mou, would this be happening? NO. Poch at Spurs can't win a game at home in the PL BUT you don't see the media vultures circling do you? Same with Wenger. They spent a whole season protecting him where as his team have been dire for the last 6 months to 2 years. See how that works? The media hate Klopp and want him gone as they see him as a threat if ever he figured it out and makes us a force again so he has to be knee-capped before he gets going. See the Karius witch hunt if you don't believe me.


28.) 22 Sep 2017 08:50:15
Simply put Mr. Dennis - you're more than entitled to your opinion mate and I respect all opinions as long as they're not drama queen efforts.
Yes I believe we'll definitely get a result on Saturday.
I'd be supremely confident of a win if Mane was playing, but I still think we have enough to pull something out of the bag. We need our luck to turn at some point and it might well be tomorrow.
Eventually the defensive players will click, I obviously have no idea when but they can only improve can't they?!
When that happens, much like the end of last season, we'll see victories flowing again.
We need stability in defence and we need stability in the management.
If by the end of next season (2018/ 19) we have seen no improvement or at least 4th place again, Klopp will then probably leave. Not before then unless somebody, somewhere hits the panic button - I hope and pray genuinely that this doesn't happen. We need him more than he needs us, believe me on that.
He's a superstar in Germany, he could go back and have a multitude of offers from top to bottom. I know this because my brother lives there and I visit the place when I can.
It's impossible to compare it to somebody in the UK because you have nobody like him there.
Can't even remember the last English manager to win the PL off the top of my head and Klopp did it twice in the Bundesliga with Dortmund.


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2017 02:13:13
I'm sure the kid Grujic would be leaving if somehow Goretzka arrived.
I think he's had 18 months to settle now, next season he should either be played more regularly or sold!

Personally I'd like to see him get a run in the team this season some time - we'll never know unless he's given games, training well/ poorly doesn't tell a whole story.

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22 Sep 2017 12:56:48
Relaxlabrudder,
Are you referring to their captain who needlessly gave the ball to Salah near the half way line and almost gave us a throw away goal?
I can appreciate anyone making a mistake but a glaring one like that is not really needed in a defence like ours at the moment thanks lol!

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16 Sep 2017 17:11:38
Hailstones, how did the ball get to him right in front of his goal?
Can/ Henderson/ Wijnaldum?
Where were they for that goal.
Did you criticise Gomez for not stopping the cross? Matip for being sucked into a midfield position for the umpteenth time?
Moreno for not anticipating the ball falling to the only attacker near the goal?
No you blame Lovren because you have tunnel vision and I'd suggest little understanding of football, team set ups, defensive discipline, positional sense, reading of the game and all the other good stuff.
If all you saw was Lovren's air kick, you don't really understand football mate.

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15 Sep 2017 18:35:12
Not just the defence who have defensive responsibilities is it hailstones?
Our midfield needs to be a little more tuned in as well.
Remember Spurs in the 90's under Ardiles?
They defended as a 5 and conceded goal after goal after goal. We have to defend as a unit. Yes the defender are at fault for some individual mistakes but maybe if the midfield did their job, the defenders wouldn't have been put in those situations in the first place - think about that.

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08 Sep 2017 11:14:51
Can see Ward going out on loan in mid to late January, especially if we are out of a cup or two by then. We should survive with two senior keepers until May. There are one or two decent youth keepers on the books too if required, obviously not ideal but we definitely shouldn't hold Ward if he won't get matches. United swapped their keepers all season last season which I found strange. De Gea looks a far superior keeper there.

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19 Oct 2017 02:21:40
He looked like his old self again, the player I though we were getting from City a couple of years ago.
That was easily his best showing for us.

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19 Oct 2017 02:15:20
You wouldn't expect too much, but think we will win but wouldn't be surprised if we drew.
Makes perfect sense?! Lol!

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11 Oct 2017 23:29:20
Good luck to Can if and when he leaves in the next few months.
It's been coming for a while now and nothing wrong with running down his contract.
Hope he has a successful career in Italy or back in Germany.

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11 Oct 2017 23:28:13
A few years younger here Red Lenin, but have to agree with your assessments.
Seen the tail end of the greats of the 80's and they were immense but Alonso, besides his technical skill which were outstanding, his work rate was insane.
You could only really appreciate it when able to see him at close range. TV coverage didn't do him justice.

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09 Oct 2017 23:41:44
Rene Higuita, what an absolute showman!
He was nuts when you consider all the issues with the Colombian drug lords and betting going on around the team.

Thinking of Escobar scoring his og vs USA in 1994 i think it was, then assassinated a few weeks later with links back to some lost bets of the outcome of that game/ tournament.

His Scorpian kick vs England in the mid 90's, his over all World Cup '90 eccentrics, especially the goal Roger Milla scored against him after robbing the ball from him outside the box will always remain in my mind - he was absolutely mental lol!
Loved watching him - imagine being a Colombian supporter :)

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