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03 Jan 2016 21:45:57
Given the weight of responsibility of scoring and of criticism on Benteke is so high, i have been paying additional attention on watching his movement. Putting aside the desire and work rate for the moment, he appears to be a ball watcher rather than reader. Responsive rather than proactive. So by the time he should be somewhere, he is watching and then trying to react when it is too late. Just an observation. Not sure how you coach that i. e. read of the game.

Andy K

1.) 03 Jan 2016 22:26:18
It's not his fault not one of our professional football players can put a decent cross in.

2.) 03 Jan 2016 23:03:18
No it isn't but it is his fault he doesn't move until too late. And this is about general game play rather than just in the box.

3.) 03 Jan 2016 23:04:04
Our delivery is shocking. At the same time most of us knew that Benteke although a goalscorer wasn't best suited to our style of play. I think that's why Klopp seemed to prefer Origi, he was a lot more mobile. Benteke doesn't offer himself as a runner so Coutinho has nobody ahead of him. That's why Coutinho has performed better with Firmino or Origi ahead of him.

4.) 03 Jan 2016 23:15:22
I keep harping back to the WBA game and Benteke. He's literally stood in the penalty box with 2 or 3 defenders surrounding him.

You try putting in a "decent cross". Where do you cross it when your only target has 3 bigger players surrounding him and there's no movement?

5.) 03 Jan 2016 22:36:51
But the unpredictability of the style of play the team is current showing is contributing to him as well.

He doesn't know if he will get the through ball, its going out wide, going to feet or up to his head.

Which leaves him a bit stuck in the mud.

6.) 03 Jan 2016 23:56:54
Disagree with Poolie and Redmantic. Andy is on the money. Benteke is a ball watcher and reactive to crosses. Granted our crossers are not great however, he doesn't gamble at all hence, it seems the ball is always over his head or he's late. I played the CF position at semi pro level and any coach will tell you that you have to gamble and anticipate where the ball will go by constantly being on the move. Defenders don't like strikers who are constantly on the move.

Watch Benteke when we are ready to cross. He does nothing and makes no move to lose his marker. He doesn't spin his defender, making him react to his movement and point to where he wants the cross to go to. He doesn't make what the French call call counter runs as in a run, front post and then peel back to the back post to put his marker on his heels. Benteke does none of these things hence, gives himself no chance of taking advantage of the good crosses that do come his way. He just stands in front of the defender all the time which makes him even easy for me to mark.

Collins and Ogbona didn't have to break a sweat because Benteke marked himself out. Don't need to be a pro to figure all this out. All you have to do is know the positioned the game in general. You don't have to have the perfect cross if your striker is always moving, anticipating and pointing to where the ball will go to. That's why people call him lazy.

7.) 04 Jan 2016 00:00:28
Think you're spot on, Ron. I have no idea why Benteke was parked on Collins' shoulder all game against West Ham as clearly he couldn't win anything against him anyway. If you're not having any luck, try getting out from between the CBs or something, not just standing there all game. Worst case scenario is maybe you drag one of them out wide with you, assuming they're specifically marking you.

8.) 04 Jan 2016 00:01:17
While our delivery may be less than stellar, at least half the responsibility has to go to the striker to attack the ball. Benteke seems to want ball to head like some players want ball to feet. Doesn't really work that way. He needs to make his space, and when it's not available, win the header anyhow like Carrol did last game.

9.) 04 Jan 2016 01:52:53
I meant Paulo, not Ron in my last post. And Ron was right about the WBA game. Benteke did nothing to get away from his markers.

10.) 04 Jan 2016 01:47:34
All good posts. People only see Carroll 's header go in but they don't see all he did to meet the header. He made moves front post then, back post to get away from Lovren and overpower Clyne which was a much better matchup than Lovren. Most of all, he attacked the ball. You cannot attack a cross if you're constantly standing there like a lamp post because you think it may not come to you. It's up to the striker to be proactive and anticipate. Also Ron, Benteke isn't known for moving his butt in the area so it doesn't matter if it's a cross or a through ball, he just stands there. He allows himself to get marked out by constantly standing between CB's for no reason yet people are shocked he's not getting services from wide areas. How does that make any sense?

11.) 04 Jan 2016 01:42:38
I think it boils down to 1. Frustration, and 2 Lack of awareness to move into the position where he can meet the cross. Saturday was a prime example, Benteke was coming deep, and takeing the ball at his feet, probably because he was getting frustrated for the lack of service and that every ball into him was awful. But then on the other hand, you have times where if he made a run he would score every time from a header. I watched West hams goals, and as soon as they got the ball wide i felt this will be a goal, you can say Benteke doesn't try get away from the defenders, however, The goals that WH scored had our 3 Defenders around them and the ball still landed on the head and they scored. I am not saying Benteke is free from criticism, his movement at times is awful, and his work rate needs to dramatically improve if he is to stay in the team. But our delivery also needs to improve, one thing that I noticed on saturday was, either the ball was not getting past the first or 2nd man, or was way too deep and useless, where as West Ham was able put the ball perfectly on the head. Was the same thing when Andy Carroll was at club. I disagree though that Benteke doesn't fit Klopps style, he did want him at Dortmund, but obviously Klopp requires more much more work from his forwards. i'd like when Sturridge and Origi are back, to play 2 up top and really try get a partnership going, I think Benteke could flourish beside Daniel, and our midfield i think would benefit also having a forward who will make the darting runs that Daniel does. I think is frustrating for the midfield too with just Benteke up front. I have faith in our manager to work with the players and find a solid solution without dipping into the transfer market and trying buy our way out of the problems we face. YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - no point putting a ball in for a man who won't make any effort to attack it. The blame is ALL Benteke's as there have been many crosses go in and he is never anywhere near even making an attempt to get his head on them. The reason West Ham were able to score from headers is simply that their forwards try and get to the cross. Benteke was a huge mistake and now people want to make excuses for him, like they did for the other useless lump Balotelli. He needs his arse kicked, preferably out of the team into the U21s for a bit to wake up.}



26 Sep 2015 15:53:24
While Villa are letting us dictate possession, we still lack penetration. We are somewhat playing into their hands in that we take so long to move forward after recycling the ball a few times, they just pack backwards. They have had the two better chances so far. We really need another, to state the obvious.

Andy K

1.) 26 Sep 2015 16:02:20
Playing far too slow. This is a very poor Vill team, if we injected some pace I'm sure gaps would materialise. Lallana and Ibe to come on I hope. Daniel had very little impact on the game.

2.) 26 Sep 2015 16:08:24
It's not easy to penetrate a 10 men brick wall when the opposition has no intention to play the game or keep the ball. You need patience and let the opposition makes a mistake.
Sturridge needs to stop trying his tricks.

3.) 26 Sep 2015 16:13:54
Everyone's going forward early in the build up as if they're expecting a long ball, but then there's no long ball. So the wingbacks and strikers just end up running onto the Villa backline before the ball reaches them and have to stop running forward to avoid being caught offside, whilst Milner and Coutinho are picked up by the opposition central midfield.

Then as the play slowly progresses forward, the options for our forward players are: stay in line with the Villa defence and hope they switch off, go backwards, or crossover with each other which they're not doing. Ings, Sturridge, Clyne & Moreno have been strung out across the Villa backline completely motionless quite a few times. You can't create space and chances like that.

Pretty much as Ed001 said not too long ago. (His analysis probably still on the 2nd or 3rd banter page, actually)

4.) 26 Sep 2015 16:16:16
Well that will do ok. D. Sturridge, belter.

5.) 26 Sep 2015 16:17:55
2-0 in spite of the above. Don't see Villa turning that around. I'll happily take that as a result if it holds, and tbh, we've not been bad per se.

But we really need to work on the movement to improve results on performances on a sustained basis.

6.) 26 Sep 2015 17:08:11
Jeese, we know how to make hard work of it. Some positives, 3 goals, 2 for Danny S. Ings was good, Lucas was crucial while he did make some errors. Most were up and down. 3 points. Some negatives, conceded 2 basic goals. Most were up and down. Most important was 3 points. Something to build on.



28 Jun 2015 02:28:42
For mine, Luis Adriano makes sense. A few good years left to allow the younger forwards a couple of years to gain experience. I assume affordable, don't know about work permit. Appears to be a quality all round striker.

Andy K

1.) 28 Jun 2015 04:00:31
mate he agreed termswith al ahli.

2.) 28 Jun 2015 04:37:59
Thought is agent did but he refused thr move?

3.) 28 Jun 2015 05:30:24
Well, there you go then.

4.) 28 Jun 2015 05:52:17
I read he had turned it down but no idea how credible the source is. Last i read from the eds was they were surprised us and Arsenal (i think) hadnt made the effort. Not saying you are wrong Indian, just saying.




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10 May 2016 13:19:29
Thanks for doing that throughout Carra. Greatly appreciated mate.

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09 Feb 2016 08:33:34
Hey Irish, i think the Ed meant AC as it is part of the loan to buy arrangement. Inter was on error.

Andy K

{Ed002's Note - Right.}



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02 Feb 2016 06:43:57
Or Carrol?

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21 Jan 2016 11:20:17
'Confirmed by Paul Joyce from The Express ' he he he.

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21 Jan 2015 21:31:20
Son has an illness, as do other Korean players, and his performances are suffering as a result, during the tournament that is.

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27 Jun 2017 12:11:15
Wooly back?

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26 Jun 2017 21:43:49
And if we buy him and he has a stinker Alex?

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09 Jun 2017 10:14:49

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05 Jun 2017 12:26:43
The window hasn't open. Chill, Winston.

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05 Jun 2017 09:24:43
Nobert say Nobert.

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