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11 Jan 2018 10:03:38
Heard from a good source that Ceballos is 'nailed on' to join before the window closes. No idea how my source knows but works within football and simply passed it on, make of it what you will.

Personally I would be a bit underwhelmed if the de facto replacement for Coutinho was Ceballos as seems a marked step down in quality but hey ho let's see what materialises.


1.) 11 Jan 2018 10:37:30
Why are people saying he is the replacement of coutinho? What if we are taking advantage of his situation at madrid?

Although I agree that he is not a Coutinho replacement, I think he is a good player and would be a good acquisition for the squad looking forward.

2.) 11 Jan 2018 10:55:19
Yes we ain't going to replace coutihno he is a world class Brazil international, but what we can do is strengthen the areas we are weak in we lack creative spark in midfield an someone who can manipulate the ball he is a gamble but could also turn out too b real quality well worth a punt especially if we can get keita early as well suddenly midfield is lookin healthy freeing up the attack, ox, mane, Salah, firmino, lallana, solanke, sturridge, nice options, still I would like us too buy an attacker like lemar, mahrez, suso, draxler wishful thinking though.

3.) 11 Jan 2018 12:00:02
I wonder if we will hear from wonder dog sparky?

4.) 11 Jan 2018 13:53:12
Hi eds i'm going to need your email addresses, mothers maiden names and the names of your first pets. uh. for science

Seriously though I hope we can do something like this, the buzz the club had post VVD left along with Phil.

5.) 11 Jan 2018 22:02:17
Coutinho was crap in midfield. Addressing the balance there would be an upgrade.

6.) 11 Jan 2018 22:39:08
Faith, he wasn’t really crap in midfield though was he? He played most games in midfield this season and had one of his best (half) seasons.

7.) 12 Jan 2018 19:12:12
our midfield is very weak at the moment, and could be the weakness that City will try and take control over, we really need at least one top player coming in this window, the name I have is the big guy from Roma,




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24 Jan 2020 09:43:01
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Wolves vs Liverpool Review


1.) 24 Jan 2020 10:14:25
Good article Seano. Hendo our best player again as you said, playing the best football of his career. Several players were off the pace as you say but I thought OX was decent 4 is harsh. He played some quality forward balls especially first half, 6 for me. Allison's kicking best this season so deserved 8. Agree on Salah so selfish, if Mane was in those spaces he would have passed to him. The World club trip really freshened up Firmino and he has got his confidence back, quality goal again.

Agreed on Minamino we can't really be critical, I don't think he should have come on so early. What does that say to Origi? Minamino looked a bit lost in truth but probably shouldn't have been put in that position.

2.) 24 Jan 2020 10:22:52
I thought we played well and had we taken another chance or two we’d have been out of sight. Wolves are a really good side who use the entire pitch (a slow pitch btw) well. It’s always going to be difficult there. We clearly had a plan that was working and then we got a bit disjointed after Mane went off but then controlled the game again after Fabinho came on.

Other than Robbo having a shaky 10 mins vs Traore we did really well.

This team has so much character and the gears to overcome obstacles like no other i've seen.

3.) 24 Jan 2020 10:40:35
Salah's unwillingness to pass in and around the box is becoming a major issue. It looked to me that frustration with him was part of the issue with Mane last night. His decision to shoot instead of laying on the Ox was criminal.

4.) 24 Jan 2020 10:50:40
Good review Seano, I also agree with markp08, surely Origi was the one to replace Mane. It was an unnecessary baptism of fire for Minamino. That along with Fabinho being rusty when he came on and Traore causing Robertson untold problems made it an uncomfortable night. But we got there so full credit to them again. I thought a lot of players looked leggy which is understandable. I am assuming Klopp will rest all last night starters in FA cup, bar maybe Gomez. Dream season so far.

5.) 24 Jan 2020 11:38:55
Salah is a great but frustrating player at times, he occupies several opposition players at once with his skill and directness, which then leaves our attackers free but then undoes his good work by not passing to them. Frustrating at times but he is quality and like most strikers he is selfish.
I would never criticize Minamino as he needs time and that was a tough game to be thrown into. Winning when you are nowhere near your best is what top teams do.

6.) 24 Jan 2020 11:48:08
I know it may not be tactically the best approach but did anyone notice how hard Gini was pushing the press and the energy he had at the end of the match. Hendo epitomises and leads by example but Klopp has got all of them fighting to the last whistle. Brilliant to witness and a sign of how desperate they are to be successful.

7.) 24 Jan 2020 13:03:03
Thanks for the write up!

8.) 24 Jan 2020 13:12:47
I was another surprised that Minamino came on instead of Origi and agree that it doesn’t look good for him as he’s not exactly been getting much game time the last month or so. With regards to Mo he’s always been greedy and it’s a fine line for him. If he scores it’s forgotten about and if he doesn’t then the questions are raised. A prime example last night was For bobbys goal. At first I thought he was trying to do to much on the edge of the box with it and then it ends up in Bobbys path and he scores which then looks like What Mo did was magic. It’s a fine line but personally I wouldn’t want Mo to change at all.

9.) 24 Jan 2020 15:00:47
@Mark08 - I like Ox, and really don't have any interest in deriding our players, I just thought he had a really poor game. He did play a few decent forward passes first half but that was the limit of his contribution. He wasn't really breaking up or tackling, his pressing was ineffective, he just didn't get involved in the game in any meaningful way. Being moved out to the left second half certainly didn't help him either but he was hardly pulling up trees in the centre. I like the lad and hope he can rediscover his pre-injury form but, at the moment, it just isn't happening for him.

i personally had no issue with Minamino coming on as he has been bought, in part, as back up to the front 3, why not use him and see how he does. I thought he looked a little lost but that he handled the pressure realtively well - it's certainly a good baptism of fire for him and will go some way to helping him adjust to this league. Origi, I think, is best played down the middle, which makes it difficult to accommodate him when bobby is on the pitch as well - I assume that's why Minamino came on.

10.) 24 Jan 2020 15:04:53
@Greenflash - I tend to disagree with that 'strikers are selfish' mantra as I think really top strikers, for the most part, know when it's better to pass and when taking on a shot makes more sense. Not many forwards would would take on a shot into a crowd of defenders when they had a teammate free, certainly not three times in the same match. Salah's greed is overshadowing the positivity he does bring - as someone commented we could've had a far more comfortable lead had he decided to pass to team mates who are open. He needs to see the bigger picture, that it isn't all about him, and that ultimately what benefits the team is more important that personal glory. Mane is a shining example of this, in both his offensive play and his tracking back.

11.) 24 Jan 2020 15:13:19
I know Gomez pretty much always looks the better of our centre halves, you have to remember that is was his side that Traore was attacking most of the game and that lad had an outstanding performance.

If he can do that consistently, he's going to be one hell of a player.

12.) 24 Jan 2020 18:32:06
The ox was poor. He may have played some decent forward balls but he also played some really bad ones.

Salah got slated at the start of the season for not passing and he seemed to change tact, and we became much better. Seems the utd goal has blown his head up again. I hope klopp and Henderson have a word with him coz an in form salah who makes the right choices is a massive asset.

13.) 24 Jan 2020 18:41:58
Nah, traore was attacking down our left mostly. Mot the right.

14.) 24 Jan 2020 18:54:21
Seano, I never said all strikers, but I agree with everything you said about Salah, him taking wild shots surrounded by the opposition when Firminho or anyone else is unmarked, is so frustrating as he seems to want all the glory when it is about the team.
Had we drawn or even lost to Wolves, Salah would have taken a lot of criticizm. Yet on another day he plays for the team. A great player but I don't understand his thinking sometimes.

15.) 24 Jan 2020 19:17:11
I think the idea on taki coming on instead of big divock was theoretically the best idea so he could cover Robertson better (faster) tracking back than origi he has not built a rapor or understanding with the team yet he doesn't know where he fits in I expect him to improve massively over the coming months but he got a taste of the prem last night let's hope it makes him hungry for more.

16.) 24 Jan 2020 19:56:18
I can't remember the last time Henderson had a bad game.

17.) 24 Jan 2020 20:06:27
For that game, Minamino coming on made perfect sense. If Milner was fit I'd say he would have come on for Mane.

18.) 24 Jan 2020 20:29:21
I thought the turning point in the second half was when Fabinho came on. He's rusty, but he certainly seemed to settle things down in the midfield.

I also thought Gomez was excellent.

A question for those who might know, there was concern over how greedy Salah seemed. I'm just curious as to if he's encouraged to be by the coached. I liken it to shooters in basketball. The coaches tell them to be greedy at times. I'm just curious if there is any of that here given his goal record.

19.) 24 Jan 2020 21:23:16
It's worth having z go dbav, but when you see a team mate in space on the edge of the 6 yard box, you have to pass.

Bobby stopped passing so much to salah early in the season when he was being greedy, then mane wins African player of the year. Bobby's the key and our best attacking player.

20.) 25 Jan 2020 01:48:45
Mino comes on and we can switch to 442 in defence and 433 in attack. With origi it's just was the right shout.

21.) 25 Jan 2020 02:55:02
Fair enough Robbie. Can't say I disagree with you at all.



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30 Dec 2019 11:25:36
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, V.A.R. in the Headlines Again


1.) 30 Dec 2019 11:42:25
Good review of VAR, Seano. Another option would be to give teams two or three chances to refer decisions to a video ref. That way, if they are convinced a decision is incorrect, they have a limited number of chances to question it.

{Ed025's Note - thats just not cricket IDOG...well actually it is mate.. :)

2.) 30 Dec 2019 12:31:19
I think the problem with that is that it would take even longer and slow things down further. and there is still no guarantee the right decision will be reached.

3.) 30 Dec 2019 13:14:07
Agreed Seano, I was just suggesting another option. Personally, I don’t see any scenario that will guarantee correct decisions.
If VAR isn’t an upgrade on field refereeing, why implement it? It seems to be causing more controversy than the system it was brought in to replace.

4.) 30 Dec 2019 14:04:44
I completely agree Gini, it has made things worse. I don't think perfect decisions are possible (or should be the aim), there just needs to be consistency so that everyone is on a level playing field. Right now it is miles away from consistent and it effects everyone. That City goal yesterday really summed up both the awful standard of officiating and the absolute rank incompetency of VAR when it failed to overturn it - why even have VAR when it cannot even correctly overrule a blatantly incorrect decision? As others have said it seems to be about protecting referees and their incompetence more than anything else.

5.) 30 Dec 2019 14:20:06
We were discussing this yesterday Seano, at the game and then in the pub afterwards. again. It doesn't work, there is no consistency in the application so why not simplify it. For offsides if your foot is on side it stands, any other part of your body is often being used to propel yourself forward so shouldn't come into it. mane's hip a few weeks ago as he arched to head it, firmino's arm. even sterling's hand at the beginning of the season.

Similarly, for handball if it's used to control the ball to derive an advantage, blow the whistle. Using last night's game as an example, salah was deemed to have handled - it hit his mid riff, TAA handled, he fell, ball bounced up and hit him whilst his two hands were on the floor. It was ridiculous. Needs simplifying and a big screen like in the rugby to be used. Simple and effective.

6.) 30 Dec 2019 15:13:10
I would change the rule where if the attacker is marginal did he score with the body part that was offside. If he did no goal if he didn't then let it stand.

7.) 30 Dec 2019 15:32:35
They're all reasonable suggestions Robert, meaning the FA will likely never implement them. I think marginal offside decisions should just defer to the original decision made by the linesman - for handballs if any advantage is gained, accidental or otherwise, penalize it. It simplifies it and everyone knows where they stand - players might bemoan a penalty decision in which they accidentally handle the ball, but they will at least know why a penalty was awarded, and will expect a similar consequence for the opposition should a similar thing happen. Every single incident seems to be officiated slightly differently, which has caused massive confusion and frustration, and has left some teams with a very bitter taste in their mouths. I think Sheffield United have had some really rough luck - it's just as well they are doing well, if they were in a real dog fight these things could be the difference between relegation and survival.

8.) 30 Dec 2019 18:18:07
But going back to the onfield officials decisions, aren't linesmen now meant to keep their flags down if it's a close call and let the miracle of VAR sort out the fine details. 🤔.



02 Aug 2019 07:24:36
I know clubs have their own colours, especially for home kits, so manufacturers are guided by these to an extent - with away and 3rd kits much less so - but I was wondering how much creative control, if any, does a club have over the kit design. Kit manufacturers are paying huge sums of money to, well, manufacture so I was wondering how much input, if any, clubs have over the design of their kits. Does it vary from manufacturer to manufacturer? Do some clubs request more control over design than others? Has a club ever completely rejected a design for a kit? I'm just curious, any information would be appreciated.


1.) 02 Aug 2019 14:15:00
Unless you're Jorge Campos, I expect the design to be pretty much decided by the manufacturers. Perhaps colours or "do not use such and such a design" might be part of it for bigger clubs, but considering all shirts look the same these days, I expect it's mainly the manufacturer's designs that are used.

Good question though, and my reply is only opinion, I don't actually know the truth, other than that Jorge Campos designed some awful goalie shirts in his time!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs always have the opportunity to reject designs put to them - one notable Englsh side rejected an Adidas magenta/deep pink away kit about five years ago. Given the trend for having pictures as part of the design now I am surprised more don't get rejected.}

2.) 03 Aug 2019 03:32:37
We always seemed to use a mix of white yellow and green as colours but as late we have black purple orange grey blue designs. I prefer the tradition of away kits being rotated from the yellow green or white designs from the historic kits in our past. We used blue for the first time a couple of years ago, didn't like it. We're the reds, Everton are the blues.



12 May 2019 17:17:48
I know it sounds stupid but I'm not disappointed. It's been a phenomenal, enjoyable, intense season and, despite our tremendous play, we have come up that little bit short. I feel fine with that, the club is headed in an excellent direction, we're managed well and playing well, and still have a Champions League final to look forward to. Next season is another chance to topple City and try and grab that elusive title number 19, I'm looking forward to it.

Hats off to City as well, they've been excellent and, as the saying goes, the league never lies.


1.) 12 May 2019 17:32:15
After some self reflection, I have to agree with Seano. Many of us, myself included, have looked at one or two results as the reason we lost the league. All I can say is this, when you have the third highest point total in premier league history, you have only one loss, you have the golden glove winner, the golden boot winner, and the player of the year and finish second, all you can do is tip your cap to the champions and say well done. No doubt the lads are disappointed, I just hope that they channel that disappointment into a fantastic finish as Champions League winners. I'd still call that a successful season.

2.) 12 May 2019 17:40:21
Completely agree Stone.

3.) 12 May 2019 17:48:28
Very much so. I agree with both of you. Once we let them get in front I was never confident. We weren't good front runners but 97 points you can't question that. What makes it a whole lot better to take is that somehow we made another final.

Stone - if we win the 6th it will be very much a great season.

4.) 12 May 2019 17:49:22
Agree mate. I thought that deep down I would feel upset and bitter if we lost this after the season we just had. Surprisingly though the only feeling I have is of immense pride for the lads and respect for City. Well played to both teams.
We go again!

5.) 12 May 2019 17:49:35
Spot on.

6.) 12 May 2019 17:59:56
great point mark. If we get in front next season with this core group, I don't see them letting the lead slip again. I think they learned a great deal this season and they will only get better.

7.) 12 May 2019 19:49:12
I think it's safe to say that City and LFC are the two best sides in Europe. I don't think you can say LFC lost it as much as City won it. Now we got one more to win and I would consider this the best season and team I have ever witnessed since following this wonderful club. I hope no one is disappointed and appreciate what we all witnessed.

Eds and all posters thanks for a magical season, and now let's "WIN IT 6 TIMES"
Matt in FL.



07 May 2019 22:47:54
Liverpool vs Barcelona - well well well, what a result. Up there with any result in the clubs history, truly a magical, historic night. Hopefully I'm not too biased but here's how I saw it.

Alisson - Excellent. Made a number of excellent stops, made them look easy, got them out of the danger area, and basically did what Ter Stegen failed to do. Huge performance.

Robartson - He was lively but, like TAA, getting forward at will so leaving gaps. His intensity is to be admired but almost spilled over and, thought I like him as our fullback, his injury wasn't the worst thing in the world to happen in the circumstances.

TAA - Wow. That incredibly clever corner alone was something else but his overall contribution was excellent. For the most part he tracked his runners, he got forward and back superbly, and added a lot to this performance. The last player off the pitch after the celebrations, and totally deserved. Take a bow, son.

Matip - I've been a big critic of his and, whilst there were a few dodgy challenges, he was overall excellent. Didn't let anything past, put his body on the line, and made sure he contributed to a very exposed defences clean sheet in the best possible way. Can hold his head high.

Van Dijk - His imperious self and, though he let e few runs behind go in the first half, let absolutely nothing go in the second. Amped his performance up and was instrumental in the win. His advances to stop Messi getting anytime on the ball were crucial and played a big part in Barcelona altering their style.

Henderson - Honestly, he was incredible. He was everywhere, doing everything, pretty much every minute of the game. His drive an determination stirred and inspired those around him. How he can be doubted as captain I will never know.

Milner - His intensity and desire were excellent, even if his quality first half wasn't there. Looked far more comfortable, and useful, taking Robertson's place in the second half and really shut down their attacks. As an attacking threat he wouldn't work, but as a defensive unit he is immense and a vital cog in the result tonight.

Fabinho - All of the midfielders were excellent, for me he was the most excellent. Somewhat harshly booked for a tackle on Suarez first half I have seen him, in Premier League games, fade after a booking. If anything he was more prominent, took control even more, and dominanted Barcelona like Busquets wishes he could dominate an opposition team. Absolutely outstanding.

Shaqiri - Some telling contributions which lead to goals but, in my opinion, a little ineffective overall. Certainly worked hard, tracked back, and did everything you'd want. But could contribute more in the final third for me - maybe the final is his time!

Mane - absolutely tireless. Ran himself into the ground, always looked for the ball, and though he didn't always make the most of the ball, a really solid performance. So much heart.

Origi - Two goals, two well taken goals, a will to keep on going, and keep on putting the opposition under pressure. I thought his overall contribution wasn't the greatest but, when the team needed him, he was there, and that is something to be lauded. Well done lad!


Wijnaldum - jesus christ! Two goals, an imperious midfield performance - honestly he came on at half time and could be man of the match, that's how good he was. His levels this season have been superb and this game underlined them in the best way possible. Fast becoming indispensible.

Gomez - came on to sure things up and he did that for the most part. Not the longest cameo but he made a difference and, from a defensive perspective, does solidify the defence.

Sturridge - a time wasting substitution so not much to say.


Honestly, I expected nothing. I thought we were done. Somehow, in the most incredible of circumstances, we have forced our way through to the final. The mentality of this team is absolutely second to none, pure drive and determination. At this stage of the season, to do that, was extraordinary. Sunday looms, and sure it seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened, and this team truly is exceptional. Bask in this glory Liverpool fans - most supporters can only dream of such memories.


{Ed0333's Note - Thankyou Seano we appreciate the effort and time you took to post

1.) 07 May 2019 23:04:12
Got to mention Klopp, how he managed to get the team ready and fired up for that game I don’t know.

{Ed0333's Note - the man is just an incredible man manager.

2.) 07 May 2019 23:06:55
I was expecting something like the 4-4 Chelsea 10 years ago. Give a good account of ourselves, be within reach of the required result a couple of times during the game, but ultimately, gallantly, fall short.

It appears I severely underestimated our team. Salah's "Never Give Up" t-shirt at the end sums it all up.

{Ed0333's Note - I friggin love that hoodie Salah was wearing. Talk about the club running through the course of his veins. If there’s any justice in this world Salah will have a CL winners medal on June 1st.

3.) 07 May 2019 23:37:20
Brilliant review, Seano. Like Mikey said, how Klopp get these guys ready to play the game of a lifetime after all that has happened in the last ten days, beggars belief.

Ed033 regarding Salah and you can take this to the bank, he will be on a mission to right the wrong he was dealt in last years final. IMO, he feels something was taken away from him in that final and now, he is back. He will be super determined and super angry and we all know what Salah is like when he is angry. Like the Incredible Hulk, you're not going to like Mo when he is angry.

{Ed0333's Note - god willing he plays and if Salah does play I 100% agree with you redwolf we’re gonna see a monster out there. My only fear is he might get a little greedy and play for himself more than the team. But it’s no different from what we’ve seen Ronaldo do for the last decade and he has won title after title.

4.) 07 May 2019 23:40:54
It'll go nicely alongside the PL medal he'll get on Sunday, 333.

{Ed0333's Note - mate I really don’t care which one we win I just want either or both lol. Wouldn’t it be ironic if we won the CL and City won the Prem?

5.) 07 May 2019 23:58:25
Although we won’t win the league, Wolves isn’t a dead rubber any more as beating then will keep the run going and the confidence up. Beat them soundly and then look forward to a trip to Madrid. Old big ears is coming home.

6.) 08 May 2019 00:03:34
Brilliant review Seano. Love the line at the end "Sunday looms, and sure it's seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Tonight's comeback just shows that it's not over til it's over.

7.) 08 May 2019 00:24:11
We'll win both Ed mate, mark my words.

{Ed0333's Note - it’s destiny mate. I was with my wife watching the final in a bar in Dallas I never want to feel those emotions again Salah. Let’s hope you’re namesake can create some magic and do the business. I really need redemption.

8.) 07 May 2019 23:42:54
Does everyone get a 10 this week ed01?

{Ed001's Note - possible.}

9.) 08 May 2019 02:46:06
Really thought Fabinho was tremendous today. Great game for the whole team. That match was nuts!




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22 Dec 2019 14:22:56
I really like what I have seen of Foden, definitely looks like he could be top class. I'd be surprised to see City pay that much for Havertz when other areas of their squad (defence) seem in greater need of investment. Perhaps they can afford it all but, even for a club with their spending power, I'd think it unlikely they could get the defensive quality they need and fork out for Havertz. Info is interesting though ed, thanks.




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12 Dec 2019 16:05:47
Do the club make that back? I thought the idea of Nike paying us loads of money to manufacture jerseys was so that they could make money off of selling them? If we make money off of the sales as well why are Nike even bothering? Or are there percentages to this i. e. Nike gets 80% of the profit, Liverpool 20%, or something like this?


{Ed002's Note - Just ignore all of the numbers.}



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30 Aug 2019 10:53:27
That sort of sentimental decision-making is what has got United stuck with absolute mediocrity in Solskjaer. I am hoping, when the time comes, that the club are smart enough to make a decision based on rational thinking and coaching quality, not on emotion and nostalgia.




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17 Aug 2019 19:42:26
Not the point 1jj, fans acting like arses should be punished by the club as a deterrent for other arses. It's sad that they need to do that but it seems it's the only thing within their mandate to do.




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17 Aug 2019 04:11:07
Maybe WYRed but what about the Norwich game and City game one of our fans invaded the pitch then? This is clearly not an isolated incident and is something the club should clamp down on - tired of idiots ruining it for other and now, in this case, potentially ruining it for an actual player.





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18 Feb 2020 12:19:07
Ashley Cole in with a shout to be considered world class surely? One of the best left backs of his generation.


{Ed001's Note - good shout. I would agree on him, I just never thought of him.}



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17 Feb 2020 23:45:53
On a side note the officiating in that game, not to mention the complete failure of VAR, was a disgrace. Why have VAR if almost all of the games pivotal moments are officiated wrong (Maguire not seeing red, Zouma being denied a goal after a United player pushes Azpilicueta first)?

Anthony Taylor was born in Manchester - so why is he officiating United games? Official on the VAR also born in Manchester apparently (think it was Sturat Atwell? ) - just smacks of corruption. Chelsea weren't great, but they will feel justifiably outraged at the decisions that went against them and know, if VAR was working properly, they'd of likely won.


{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure there was no corruption - mistakes clearly and Chelsea will be miffed and frustrated but in the end have to suck it up. Maybe a retrospective ban to draw attention away.}



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11 Feb 2020 07:20:10
Do you think clubs ever try and push through a work permit by offering money or something to those in charge of are the consequences of such actions too serious for anyone to try any funny stuff with?


{Ed002's Note - Many years ago clubs had committee members watch trial games to support talent based applications but that was stopped.}



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11 Feb 2020 07:23:38
C. Ronaldo was one we were allegedly close to though Parry, the bellend, refused to ratify it. There were a lot of deals he torpedoed, Silva, Villa, and Dani Alves are a few that spring to mind. I'm sure there are more.




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02 Feb 2020 04:15:57
Not sure anybody has doubted him merely questioned his decision making in certain games in which he has chosen the selfish option, rather than passing to a team mate in a better position. His quality is without question.