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11 Feb 2015 15:09:08
Any news of Flanagan getting a new contract? Is it even being discussed?


1.) 11 Feb 2015 22:31:14
Hope he gets one, he worked hard last year and showed he had the quality to be in the first team. That goal against Spurs is still a highlight from last season for me.

2.) 12 Feb 2015 10:25:51
One wonder goal and he get's a new contract ? Rather cash in on him and bring another youngster through.

3.) 12 Feb 2015 10:32:07
I think it would be wise to see how he does when he returns from injury.

A full season out is a long time especially at his age.

4.) 12 Feb 2015 13:34:34
Actually It wasn't simply one wonder goal, he played brilliantly when he came in, made Johnson look more of a mug than he actually is, showed that he has what it takes at the top level as he was consistant, solid and worked hard, the goal against spurs was the icing on the cake, as was his reaction.

5.) 12 Feb 2015 17:29:04
Agree Mr D

6.) 13 Feb 2015 07:45:01
He was our only defender last year that actually looked like he had any intention of defending and made opposition players think twice about running at him. He was the best positioned, most disciplined, most energetic and most effective defensive player we had last year. And that was playing on the wrong side.

7.) 13 Feb 2015 20:29:52
If carra was still about he would have learned so much. I remember one of his first games seeing carra talking him through the game, where to be and where to keep the attackers. Shame.

8.) 13 Feb 2015 22:20:00
He played brilliantly last season, but still think it would be wise to see how he recovers after being out for a season.

9.) 14 Feb 2015 12:48:58
I have mentioned this in the past, no the likelyhood is he won't be offered a new contract, he will be given a chance to prove himself in the next couple of months before the decision is made, read my last comment to find out why. Also BR thinks wisdom is a better option as he can fit into the three at the back aswel as a full back

10.) 14 Feb 2015 22:58:50
I think his time is up. Another Martin Kelly Saga.




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14 Dec 2017 10:42:43
Ignoring the rest of the performance, Klopp has an interesting problem now. Karius has been good all season in the Champions league despite rarely having much to do, there wasn't much he could do about most of the goals we conceeded there.

Now he's been given his second PL game with a fair bit to do, and did much better than Mings has been doing on average this season. Klopp said he started because Mings had a niggle, but does he seize the opportunity and let Karius continue or does he revert back to the 'standard' back line?


1.) 14 Dec 2017 10:51:47
There is no interesting problem. He meant what he said! Mignolet will be back once he is fully fit!

2.) 14 Dec 2017 11:17:24
Karius should be the number 1 now, Migs has never and will never be good enough for us, Karius last night showed some signs of utter class, if Migs is put in front of him now then I just don't know anymore. To me the whole GK situation is a shambles, rotating them left right and center it's pure stupid, keep to one goalkeeper, the one who looks the best, Karius! I love Klopp and have little bad to say about him but this is a big problem he needs to fix, why stand by Migs? I just don't get it and it really frustrates me.

I fear if Karius doesn't get the chances he deserves he may get fedup and want out? who knows. I've seen many people saying we need another GK to this I can't disagree more, we have not only Karius but Ward, why do we need another Goalkeeper?

3.) 14 Dec 2017 11:24:40
Karius this season has 5 clean sheets in 8 games, conceding just 6 goals. 5 of which came against Sevilla who are one of the top 4 teams in Spain nowadays.

For me it's a no brainer. He has to start over Mignolet who despite improving, still cost us a victory as recently as 2 weeks ago by misjudging Willian's cross. He also cost us a result against Watford, Burnley and Newcastle just off the top of my head. Those 8 points alone would have us on the edge the title race, rather than the edge of top 4. I'd even argue that he was partially at fault for the first goals against both Spurs and Man City, though it's speculative to suggest we'd have got a result in those games anyway. Plus he nearly cost us another 2 points at Leicester, but Vardy bailed him out with a penalty Benteke would be embarrassed by. In fact the only points dropped where Mignolet is blameless for me are the draws against United, Everton and West Brom. Every other point dropped, he had a part to play in it in my opinion. That's alarming when you factor in that United and Everton put him under absolutely no pressure and he didn't play against the Baggies! He's not always the sole culprit, or even the main culprit, but he is usually involved when things go wrong at the back!

Mignolet is a lovely bloke. I follow him on social media and he really is a genuinely nice guy who noticeably tries harder than any other Liverpool player to engage with the fans, but he is costing us 15-20 points a season. It is genuinely that bad as well, when you realise his mistakes have directly cost us at least 8 points in 17 games so far. At that rate he'll cost us about 18 points this season. All players make mistakes, but we can't carry someone who makes nearly 10 a season which lead to a goal.

I don't even think Mignolet is awful now. He is probably average or slightly above it. It is just his frequent rash decisions or lapses in concentration that make him a liability. Same applies to Lovren. If they have error free games, they're actually all right players. Between them though, they're averaging an error leading to a goal every other game! Over a season you accept that even top keepers and defenders might make 1 or 2 glaring mistakes. But 10? It's got to change. Karius should be first choice for that reason alone; He is less error prone.

4.) 14 Dec 2017 13:18:01
Look forward to your analysis of both how many points he saved as well by his shots saved and also the points lost by other players as a direct result of an error or mistake. I'm sure we would owe the league points if you total them up.

Oh sorry? your comment was a random number based on your perception rather than fact? ah well, .

5.) 14 Dec 2017 14:17:30
Marshy how many saves has Mignolet made that were truly great? I can only think of the Penalty save against Hoffenheim and possibly the save against Brighton 15 seconds before we scored (though in my opinion Murray fluffed his lines and made it easy, ou could argue Mignolet's positioning and reactions had to be spot on) . He makes routine saves, but he doesn't make saves that he has no right to make regularly. Not like Lloris, De Gea, Ederson and Courtois do.

Even if he hadn't made that save against Brighton, we were playing so well we might have won anyway, but I'll play your little game. So say he saved us 2 points by stopping Murray? That reduces his points cost down to 6 in 15 league appearances. Woohoo! Knight him!

All players make small errors. If they didn't, football could be solved by an algorithm. If you hyper analyse every goal, there will always be an error involved. If you hyper analyse every failed attack, there will always be an error!

We are talking about major errors though that directly and undeniably cost us points. Not being weak in a one of one, or from a cross, or being beaten by a decent shot. Those are more of a lack of ability rather than a massive mistake.

Everybody makes mistakes. Maybe it's a misplaced pass, punching the ball when you should catch it, a missed shot, an over hit cross, or even just not communicating with a team mate. Those are all errors which happen all the time, but they aren't critical errors.

Critical errors are missed penalties, being out of position, conceding a needless set piece, flapping the ball to the feet of an opposition player, missing an open goal, passing it straight to the opposition under no pressure etc.

Of course this is all my perception. Football isn't an exact science. There is no algorithm to solve it. It is that subjective debate that makes it so popular. Rather than attacking my opinion purely for being an opinion (yes, you seriously did that), why don't you try and counter my point of view? Find me some examples where Mignolet has done something brilliant. Not a run of the mill save. Might as well start applauding defensive clearances under no pressure, or 5 yard passes from a midfielder, or a striker for getting in the box. Saving shots is the minimum expectation of a goal keeper. It doesn't make Mignolet great if he stops 2 shots a game hit nearly straight at him.

I'm all ears though. Explain to me why Mignolet is good enough for a team with title winning aspirations. I'm really looking forward to it.

6.) 14 Dec 2017 14:32:26
Very well said MK.

7.) 14 Dec 2017 15:51:33
The same De Gea you said wasn't world class MK? Not sure goalkeeping critiques are your strong suit kid.

8.) 14 Dec 2017 16:55:24
You say he is slightly above average but costs us 15-20 points a season. Not sure that makes any sense. He is crap and costs us about 10-12 points more likely.

9.) 14 Dec 2017 16:56:49
Migs costs us 15-20 points a season? It's difficult to take a post seriously with a statement like that.

10.) 14 Dec 2017 17:31:01
Migs isn't the worst, but he's also light years from great. I don't like knee jerk reactions, but he has had 3 full years. Face it, he isn't going to get any better and he simply isn't good enough. You don't have to be a great GK critic to see that.

11.) 14 Dec 2017 17:34:45
If we had swapped keepers with MU at the start of the season I am sure we would have 6/ 9 more points at this time, and while I don't usually watch them apart from against us the whole match against Arsenal and the save from Matip were 6 points MU wouldn't have got had Mings been in goal for them (I'm sure De Gea has contributed some more) .
That's a minimum swing of 12 points, possibly as high as 18/ 20 by swapping world class for average and vice versa.

12.) 14 Dec 2017 18:07:59
Dunno why my post didn't get through, but basically, I've never said De Gea isn't world class. I just think Oblak and Buffon are better. Less than a month ago i voted for De Gea as the player I'd take if we could have one player from any Prem team. Buffon came 4th in the Ballon D'or last year. Anybody who thinks he's past it, hasn't watched Juventus enough. There is more to goal keeping than highlight reel saves. Though i accept some people prefer De Gea. That's fair enough.

Average means you are in the middle of your field/ range. Let's be honest, there are worse keepers than Mignolet. Forster, Foster, Hart, Ryan, Lossl, Fabianski, Darlow etc to name a few. There are also better keeper like De Gea, Lloris, Courtois, Ederson, Cech, Pope etc. Mignolet is an average keeper because I'd say a third of the keepers are better, but a third are worse. That puts Mignolet in the middle 3rd alongside the likes of Pickford, Begovic, Gomes etc. The keepers for bottom dwelling clubs tend to make errors every week so they probably cost more like 30 points a season. At least Mignolet has the occasional week without error. He has improved massively, but it says it all that he's come on so much and is still just a run of the mill keeper. We needs keeper to take us to the next level.

Goalkeeper is the hardest position in football because your mistakes usually cost points. That is the reality of it to be honest. The best keepers just make less mistakes than others.

{Ed025's Note - for me MK de,gea is better than both oblak and buffon, but as you say it all about opinions..

13.) 14 Dec 2017 18:08:08
So if we get 76 points this season, you are saying if we swapped keepers we would get 96 points?

There are too many people on here in total dreamland. You are forgetting that there are many other players in the squad not upto standard.

Hendo 5 points
Lovren 10 points
gk 20 points
mane missed chances 15 points
carra own goals 6 points

in your logic we should get 180 points a season.

14.) 14 Dec 2017 19:20:37
I understand your point Mark, but that is why goal keeper is the most important position on the pitch. Because it is the one position where a good or bad player can literally be the difference between winning the league or finishing 5th. It is an absolutely vital position. Anyone else makes a mistake and you there are 9 other outfield players to potentially bale them out. Goalkeeper is the last line of defence though. You can't afford mistakes there. Being a keeper is all about concentration, organisation, positioning and decision making. If you have to launch into a flying save it might look spectacular but it usually means you were out of position, or the shot was absolutely perfect.

Ferguson knew that a good keeper was worth an extra 15-20 points a season. That's why he was so successful. It was always his priority position.

15.) 14 Dec 2017 18:24:51
Ed025 agree De Gea is best in the world for me. Makes hardly any mistakes and is mentally as strong as steel. He didn't spit his dummy out when he didn't go the Real. He just kept producing great performances even when he knew his team weren't going to win anything. World class.

{Ed025's Note - its hard to argue otherwise mark, i really believe that utd would be mid table without his saves mate..

16.) 14 Dec 2017 20:10:21
I agree with you there Ed025.

De Gea has conceded 11 goals from 76 shots against him.

In contrast, Mignolet has conceded 20 goals in 46 shots.

United concede so many chances. De Gea bails them out so much. He's easily worth 20+ points a season to them.

{Ed025's Note - he is MK and thats the only reason why united are in the top 4, also city,s keeper is making a massive difference as well, a good cat makes all the difference mate and is a massive liverpool downfall..

17.) 14 Dec 2017 20:37:25
Ed025 a top goalie helps us no doubt but we would still be a long long way from winning the league. We have many other players who are not good enough as you well know mate.

The players need to get their act together asap or the OTT posters on here will be saying in a month - oh it's ok we are only 6 points from 4th and 24 points from the top.

{Ed025's Note - some will say that a top keeper instills confidence in his defence mark which would solve a lot of liverpools problems mate..

18.) 14 Dec 2017 20:51:20
It is by far the most important position for me, Ed. Not only can it help everyone to relax defensively, it also takes pressure off the forwards. When you go into games feeling like you need to score 3, it is much harder than knowing if you get 1, you have a keeper and a defence who can hold on to a slender lead.

That stuff can't really be measured, but you can measure that De Gea conceded 1 in 7 shots and Mignolet concedes 1 in 2!

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

19.) 14 Dec 2017 21:13:54
MK is spot on. Ed25, I agree that a top GK helps a lot as DDG is like you, the only reason Utd are in the top 4 cos w/ o him, heaven knows where they would be. Just check the B'mouth game last night where B'mouth had so many chances BUT DDG was there to save them until Lukaku scored. Had they had Migs, Utd would have lost.

Having said that, all the top GK's are taken right now so we have to build our own and Karius (who I am a huge fan of) has all the tools to be a top GK in a Klopp system as he was highly rated in Germany before he came to us. All he needs is experience at this level cos the top ones were not born top GK's. They had to learn like everyone else. The question is that do some of our fans have the patience to persevere with him and that is my biggest fear judging by the way they shamelessly turned on him for making a mistake or two.

As for his comparison to Migs, it is very simple. Karius has made ONE mistake that led to a goal this season (at Spartak) . Migs made THREE mistakes in one game at LC. Job done!

20.) 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14
In my house if anything goes wrong. We call it a mignolet moment.

Karious for me all day. however, I really would like us to break the bank for a worldy keeper. ready made quality. the difference it would make. Not just shot stopping, but organisation wise too.

21.) 14 Dec 2017 23:20:39
MK one problem with the goals conceded from shots stat, it shows nothing of value without the context. One keeper could save 90/ 100 but actually every single shot was straight at him. So he conceded 10 he shouldn't have. Another could save 70/ 100 but in fact only 50 were standard saves he is expected to make.

That isn't to say that the context wouldn't prove the point but that it is the context and not the numbers that would prove it. Stats alone never really show an individual player's performance.

22.) 15 Dec 2017 09:03:31
It was a while ago MK but don't you remember a debate you and I had about him, and stated that he was world class and (I'm paraphrasing) you said he was a very good keeper but no way was he world class. Your on here quite a lot MK so probably don't remember it, so I'll let you off 😂😂. I agree by the way that mignolet should be replaced by karius, but long term I don't think he's the answer, hope I'm proved wrong though.

23.) 15 Dec 2017 09:07:52
The only issue i have with MK's argument is it is unfair to blame Migs totally. Where does the 'this error cost us a point' line start? Yes, when Mig's got lobbed recently, he was in the wrong. But how far do you go back? Was there a misplaced pass 5 minutes earlier that turned possession over by someone in midfield? Does that not shift blame to them? I agree MK that Migs is average and does cost us points, but it is impossible to put a number on it and also unfair.

24.) 16 Dec 2017 23:41:50
Stuie that is part of the problem of whether people understand what they're watching. Why so many coaches keep trying to say it isn't just defenders who defend. Mignolet isn't a top 4 keeper but some of our other players don't always perform like top 4 players and when they don't we don't.



22 Nov 2017 08:51:24
Amazing isn't it? Moreno's one of our best players this season, massively turned his performance around, has a bad 15 minutes and suddenly we need to get rid and he's not good enough again. And then we describe our players as 'confidence players' - no wonder, I'd like to see how you lot manage when you play for your career in literally every performance! The way some of our fans go off, Messi would have been binned a couple of seasons back when he didn't score for over a month and on Ronaldo's current form he wouldn't even be sold, he'd just be 'old yellered' in his garden.


1.) 22 Nov 2017 10:12:40
Moreno was never a brilliant defender. If that is what you are looking from a left back then I am afraid you are going to be dissapointed mate. He is good when he bombs high up!

2.) 22 Nov 2017 10:45:58
He's not even a defender. He's an ok left midfielder/ winger. Whoever scouted him? Stevie Wonder?

3.) 22 Nov 2017 10:51:28
Moreno has been decent this season. Which is an improvement on his other seasons. Has been one of our best players almost made me choke on my coffee.

4.) 22 Nov 2017 11:11:17
mereno has been good this seaso, his attitude second to none but Thant doesn’t change the fact he caused two goals last night. Am I calling for his head? No, but I think he’s lioeavke and can offer something to the club but yesterday I think his emotions got the better of him.



09 Oct 2017 14:22:54
When do we start to question if Klopp is the man for the job?

I don't think it's now, I think there are worrying signs but we're still in the green for now. But with so many people who believe he's the messiah, with so much willingness to forgive all faults and equally so much willingness to condem him to damnation for every failure, when is that time? And when it comes, what will we be looking for?

Personally, I think this is THE season to judge him on - 2.5 years to judge the squad and identify holes, 2.5 years to judge and hand-rear the young players he wants, 2 full summer windows and 2 full Jan windows all to prepare for now.

As for what we judge him on, I'd say two areas:

1. Qualify for the CL again. Now we are back in it, we absolutely cannot afford to let it go under any circumstances and doing so would be a massive step backwards.
2. Relative success in at least one tournament - for the FA Cup that would mean a win, for the CL at least quarter finals and a competitive performance.

What do people think? When are we no longer reserving judgement on Klopp and his management, and what are we expecting to see when we do?


1.) 09 Oct 2017 14:41:36
He is the right guy for me but not addressing the weaknesses when having this 2 years and enough windows is my only gripe, its taken both Manchester clubs 1 season to figure out there failures and even though they have plenty more money than us we can still buy a decent enough standard of player
Wijnaldum and Ox are 2 buys I don't get when we have plenty of cover in midfield and the keeper situation worry's me, January will be an interesting month.

2.) 09 Oct 2017 14:51:51
I respect your opinion but I must disagree. Personally I think he deserves another season after this one, we didn't have the best transfer window, was that his fault? who really knows, I don't. We needed to sort the defence out and we didn't which is a problem but it's not the end of the world, we're not doing as bad as some think. We have big issues within the squad there's no doubt about that but even if we went and signed VVD like everybody wants on Jan 1st, it doesn't mean our problems are solved.

Let him have Jan/ next summer to sort thing's out, I believe he really will, he has no choice, he isn't stupid . I hope not anyway. I trust the man, I think he will get it right, if he doesn't then fine, get him out but not just yet, he deserves more time.

Plus id like to add, even if we don't get top 4 again this season, yes that be classed as a failure but id still give him another season should that be the case.

3.) 09 Oct 2017 16:24:58
Corleone, I couldn't agree more fella.

4.) 09 Oct 2017 16:21:23
Thanks for that Corleone - like I said, very interested in hearing other people's views. Obviously we started off with a good answer (3 year contract so 3 years judgement) but since he signed the contract extension it's all become a matter of opinion.

5.) 09 Oct 2017 18:08:49
May 2019.

6.) 09 Oct 2017 18:57:30
Two years on the job, is way too early to be questioning the manager, that much is true. If that was the case, then Poch should be out of a job at Spurs as he has won nothing there and has been there longer than Klopp has been here. What Poch is doing is showing progress and improvement and that is what we need to do here. Improvement and consistency like Cl footie every season need to be shown as well as improvement in player personnel need to be seen so in a year or two, we will be well-primed to mount a meaningful title challenge and hopefully, win.

Comparing us to City and Utd is a false argument cos they are able to drop 250m every season on players. We simply cannot do that, plain and simple. Therefore, we need to be smarter and be more targeted in our TW and look to pay whatever is needed for the right player we want that can improve us like we did with, Naby, Salah, Mane, Wiji, Robbo and the like.

In short, do a Spurs with the hope of winning the PL in the near future. For that, we need support the manager throughout cos like it or not worts and all, FSG are all in with him and we can't be abandoning him each time there is a sticky patch.

7.) 09 Oct 2017 19:48:02
Honestly, I think the whole premise of the question is stupid. And now after saying I'll stupidly take part.
My preference is not to judge at all, unless you are truthfully casting a judgement with the purpose of assessing areas to improve in order to move forward. Cast iron judgements based on trophies or fan's perception of progress to decide whether so and so is the person for the job is just not the right way to go imo.
when we got rid of BR it was partly due to poor results but it was also because he was at the helm when it looked like the club had totally lost its way. That is the point of questioning whether someone is the right person for the job. Not in the middle of building a squad having just recently qualified for CL, playing good footy except in a few games not scoring more than 1 goal, sitting a couple points outside top4 after a handful of games.

Look at the areas that need development and support the manager to make those changes.

8.) 09 Oct 2017 20:24:27
Once again Bingo, great post mate and I am in full agreement.

9.) 09 Oct 2017 20:53:08
I think we should be looking for the team to be on the improvement. If we stagnate, maybe we should see where it's going wrong. Personally I think his behaviour tapping up has been an embarrassment- that's my biggest issue. As for performance I think we've improved in many ways going forward but I think our defence has been caught out. Obviously he needs help but it's unlikely he'll accept any which is a shame. I think we're a lot better than many posters on this forum would believe. I'd like to see him sort out the goalkeeper fiasco and I don't think vvd fixes everything.

10.) 09 Oct 2017 22:28:19
Spot on, Faithworks. AOE, I agree with you. Klopp has made mistakes and that much is well documented. We are currently not stagnating and that is the most important thing under Klopp compared to sinking ship he found when he arrived, and a sticky patch in the beginning of this season, does not change that fact. BR was sacked cos we had become poor under him, were seriously stagnating and with no end to the misery in sight. The guy had to go, period.

People seem to forget how bad it was under BR esp. in the beginning of the 15/ 16 season. I remember home games vs Norwich, Villa and Sion when I simply could not tell you if we would get a point in those home games as we were that poor. The life was getting sucked out of me, literally. Who can forget the eyesore that was the EFL game vs Carlisle where we had 40 shots and could not score a goal and needed penalties to get through? Yeah, that was all under BR.

I'm sorry, I do not have a short memory and right now, NONE of that is happening now so the fact that Klopp's position is being questioned after losing 2 out of 13 games this season is laughable to bordering on the ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - i agree bingo, its far far too early to be calling for his head mate..

11.) 10 Oct 2017 09:11:53
Bingo/ Faith - not sure if that is a reference to the original question or not, but if it is I'd like to remind that this was a 'when' question and I specifically stated 'I don't believe it's time yet'

12.) 10 Oct 2017 10:45:43
If we don't make it into the Champions League for me, and then you have a look at things. I am not saying that is decision time but rather look at mood/ morale of player and fans, development of players and team, significant injuries, cup win etc and then work out what is best for the club.



05 Oct 2017 12:33:19
Looks like Ojo is facing approximately 8 weeks out of action. Shame, his loan seemed to be going okay.




14 May 2017 18:55:25
Before people get too carried away with the importance of Coutinho playing deeper, I think it's important for us to all remember that on his good days, Coutinho is sublime and makes things happen across the field. What we saw today was as much the effect of Coutinho playing well as him playing deep.


1.) 14 May 2017 19:24:32
also there were runners. look at sturridges goal. its impossible for coutinho to make a pass like that if there was no recepient.

thats what we lost when we lost mane. thing is other players could do it too, not just mane so not sure what happened.

onwards to the last game, who knows 3rd place, at this point in time is still up for grabs.

2.) 14 May 2017 19:33:23
OK? You do know that Couts is tried and tested in the deep CM position while we almost won the PL in 2014, Hijkle? No one is getting carried away as we already know Couts can play there effectively and to me, should be switched there next season to accommodate the wide player (s) that Klopp wants to sign.

3.) 14 May 2017 22:30:15
N Red - did I at any point say he can't or shouldn't play there? No I didn't. I just pointed out that it's not some magic key to getting Coutinho to play great every game. He's produced many fine performances from deep, from wide and from just behind the striker. What we saw today was his ability, not just what he gives us from a deep start.




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13 Dec 2017 15:14:47
Greatly appreciated Ed002, thank you.




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13 Dec 2017 15:14:15
Mark - remember, Keita replaces Can and I expect (hope) that Milner would be replaced, he if's no longer with us, by Grujic in the midfield and rendered surplus to requirements by Robertson and Milner at FB. So that's two off the list already.

Then we have Gini, who isn't having the best season but isn't having the worst either and has had some good games. Definitely too early to be writing him off completely.

Finally Hendo - he's our captain right now and looks to be for the rest of the season. I doubt he's going anywhere fast and I can easily see him and Lallana working in tandem to provide energy to the midfield - Hendo when we need to harry their midfielders further back and Lallana when we have more opportunity to pressurize their defensive players.

Really that list you made suggests that we will be looking for perhaps one extra midfielder and one replacement for Coutinho, that's it.




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13 Dec 2017 12:58:51
Can we all just agree now that if we chase him or get him, he's referred to as Sime? Otherwise the search function for latest info will become a nightmare!


{Ed002's Note - Well to save you searching. It hasn't worked out in Madrid for Sime Vrsaljko and he has been made available by Atletico with several sides already declaring an interest with both his agent and his club. There have been discussions between his agent and his preferred choice of Napoli and tentative agreement has been reached, although they have yet to make a firm offer to Atletico who are not looking to negotiate. Other clubs who have let his agent and Atletico know that they are interested in discussing the player are Inter, Juventus and Liverpool - although he would not be first pick for Juventus.}



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05 Dec 2017 12:29:42
There is a difference between a player who is disruptive because he doesn't fully apply himself and it gets on people's nerves, and one who just sacks off full games cause he wants to go out on the lash with his mates. He is more of a problem for squads than balotelli is, that's why he's discussed like balotelli by anyone who knows the first thing about him.




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29 Nov 2017 13:04:20
Ed001 - actually I heard both rumours but trusted the second one a lot more!


{Ed001's Note - the second one looks very likely as they are both provisionally booked on a group holiday to Russia for the summer! ;-)




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13 Dec 2017 10:49:16
You have a point there I guess - especially with the excuse part. Footballers seem to loose their drive very easily, you never want to give them excuses before playing because them seem to become self-for filling prophecies more often then not. It'll be very interesting to see how that plays out for Rafa - at the start of the season I was hoping that someone like Chirivella or Grujic who are trying to learn some positional dicipline in the defensive roles would go on loan to Newcastle but I'm glad they haven't now.




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13 Dec 2017 08:57:36
Isn't he the England U21 captain at the moment?




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13 Dec 2017 08:51:01
I know there was an entry fee for players but if other posters want to support is there a JustGiving or something?




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13 Dec 2017 08:46:05
MK - by the same token, if you were one of those players wouldn't you be desperate for him to get the naturally defensive players in to allow you to play in a way you're comfortable with? Right now they are all trying to do something they aren't suited for and it's making them look dreadful. If I was them, I'd rather less game time but more opportunity to show what I can do rather than more game time doing something I'm unlikely to ever look like more than a lower division player doing. Not saying you're wrong, just a flipside - he might have made it very clear to all of them that he's talking about players that will release them to do their natural jobs.




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13 Dec 2017 08:43:17
I can't see any circumstance where we sell Coutinho in January without knowing 100% that we will be able to spend that money and get his replacement in. Whoever we intend to buy to replace Coutinho will come in the same window Coutinho is sold.