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04 Dec 2017 12:25:09
Eds, i remember on the sharkopod that you said Barcelona would look to get a deal done before the end of november as one of the key instigators of the deal would no longer be involved and this would lead to them viewing other targets. In this situation, is it possible we could see coutinho stay a bit longer in a de gea to real madrid scenario? Or would he definately try and force a move to another team like psg, madrid, maybe even juventus to replace dybala?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, we are now beyond the end of November and they will be considering their options. It is possible that Coutinho could move in January or the Summer but be clear he wants out. Coutinho is not of interest to Juventus and he is not first choice for Real Madrid. PSG might retain and interest but it is Barcelona who want him and that is where the player wants to go.}

1.) 04 Dec 2017 19:56:00
Up to Barcelona to make us an acceptable offer. The ball is in their court. 🤝.

2.) 05 Dec 2017 03:05:38
Barca will once again resort to underhand tactics to get Coutinho cheap. We trust Henry to duke it out with them.



10 Apr 2017 20:29:48
Just read that coutinho rejected the requests of the coaches to stay at home, so he could make the bench for the game on saturday, then to come off the bench and score. This is the exact attitude and type of player we need here at liverpool, hats off to him.

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1.) 10 Apr 2017 23:22:10
Couts has to stay, build our team around him, need another Mane .

2.) 11 Apr 2017 00:53:45
What would you do with another Mane if you've built your team around Coutinho?

3.) 11 Apr 2017 02:02:09
Coutinho was always needee to stay. He didn't need to do anything like that to justify it.

Hes our boy. Show him the love and he will give you the heart.

4.) 11 Apr 2017 03:24:35
build another mane and mane running around firmino!? and then someone can get their dream of firmino in central midfield realised.! :p.

5.) 11 Apr 2017 03:52:08
probably the best £8.5m the club has ever spent.

6.) 11 Apr 2017 06:07:23
Sure the best 8.5 we ever spent was on ings, that free transfer.

7.) 11 Apr 2017 08:25:26
support coutinho zimbo, as Mane has done.

8.) 11 Apr 2017 15:26:17
Don't worry I'd happily take another Mane! Just not sure if we'll get someone of his level to join with no obvious starting spot. Think hopefully Coutinho, Firmino and Mane will be our starting lineup and wouldn't want to see that changed myself.

9.) 11 Apr 2017 15:41:46
kudos couts, however if and when he is not in form let's remember this instead of wanting him out.

10.) 11 Apr 2017 21:18:01
The problem with football these days is that the Doctors think they pick the team. Hats off to Coutinho for his positive attitude and nonsense to all that red zone, orange zone, green zone crap.

11.) 12 Apr 2017 01:28:00
He must be mad. If someone offered me the day off id take 2.

12.) 12 Apr 2017 09:17:18
Haha that's good one mingo.



20 May 2016 17:56:44
From what i can work out the players we are interested in are:


I have never seen any of those players play but i guess any addition at goalkeeper and left back is welcome. Zielinski and silva seem slightly unneccasary unles we get rid of a lot of players. Hector is apparently more defensive minded which is exactly what we need. I was still hoping for perhaps a holding mid to push Can and Henderson more but maybe Grujic is that player. However i fail to see the point of chilwell as he is just another joe gomez surely? And personally i like joe gomez so i'd much rather see him or smith given a chance.

The outs that everybody can virtually agree on are:

And all the academy players who will be moving on.

If all that happens i'd consider it a very successful summer and cannot wait for next season with a squad of klopps own players.

Anonymous Woolback

1.) 20 May 2016 18:09:47
Lallana will stay, Klopp said as much the other day. I can't see Milner moving on either on his wages and the sort of club he'd want to go to.

2.) 20 May 2016 18:54:38
Joe Gomez is a cb not a lb Rodgers just stuck him there like he did Flanagan. I really like Gomez he's got a lot of promise, good with the ball at his feet, is comfortable with a challenge and not bad in the air. just hope he comes back from injury well.

3.) 20 May 2016 18:54:50
Milner's leading our assists table. I'd keep him on the condition that he's usually played on the right of midfield rather than in the middle.

4.) 20 May 2016 19:07:00
AW, Migs not be moving, neither will Milner. Lallana, I think, may make way for Goetze, but not necessarily. I think illori will move on too.

5.) 20 May 2016 19:53:12
Aren't we also interested/ linked with another midfielder? Dhroud is it?

6.) 20 May 2016 19:58:53
Perhaps Goetze will replace Coutinho? Barcelona have been looking recently and something was said earlier in the year, about him wanting to move on if there is no champions league football at Liverpool.

It wouldn't surprise me if a decent offer came in for him at least. We're not in a position where we can reject the advances of clubs like Barcelona, we haven't got the finances and we don't have any European competition next season.

One thing is for sure, Coutinho will not sell cheap, so if he does leave we'll at least get a tidy sum for him.

7.) 20 May 2016 20:44:40
I don't think Goetze and Coutinho are related at all. I would aso be not so sure either of Hector or Silva are coming in. While Liverpool has scouted both players, we have not made any effort to move for them, and are concentrating on bringing in Zielinski, Chilwell, Karius and seemingly Goetze.

8.) 20 May 2016 21:36:46
Mignolet has a 5yr contract.
He will not be leaving unless some fool offers us more than his contract is worth.

9.) 20 May 2016 22:09:24
im sure whoever klopp buys will be the right player for the team, he knows what he needs to do after this season so i will put my faith in him to get it right instead of trying to second guess him, if he brings these players in then he needs them yes we have other players in the team already but he might not see a future for them because unlike us he sees them every day and knows there weaknesess, like lallana for instance he is a good player but there's hardley any end product from him and i don't think he is at the right standard for us maybe Zielinski will have a better end product because these 2 are very a like, also the players he is buying he is getting them cheap not like BR who over spent on players, its so refreshing that he is getting players this cheap for a change,

10.) 20 May 2016 23:47:07
Great insight despite having never seen any of them play.

11.) 21 May 2016 01:11:06
I don't agree Lallana and Milner should go. 2 of our most consistent performers under Klopp. Allen could do a job as a squad player. Moreno - has still (some) time to learn how to defend. Not sure he will though!

12.) 21 May 2016 07:00:34
AndyM, lalana should go if Gotze replace him. Milner can go if we get Zielinski.

13.) 21 May 2016 14:52:38
Andym that mean no one significant leaving and based on that no one coming in. Simple tranfer window.

14.) 22 May 2016 00:45:17
Skrtel, Benteke and Allen, if he moves, all significant 'Outs'. I don't see CM as a priority for strengthening. Matip and Grujic both significant 'Ins' already done. A GK and Lb needed (Lb whether Moreno stays or goes) . I hope for a lot from Ings next season.



21 Mar 2016 20:45:32
Everything points to skrtel being sold. Ilori and wisdom likely to follow in all honesty. He won't even play ilori ahead of lucas at centre back.

Anonymous Woolback

1.) 21 Mar 2016 20:59:00
Managing with a iron fist. What the squad needs. Given a chance. Not good enough you're gone.



24 Feb 2016 23:14:17
Ed002, do you have any info on these supposed claims that sturridge may want to leave?

Various people seem to think there's something in it and i believe you have said in the past he could leave, unless i am mistaken.

Anonymous Woolback

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure he doesn't want to leave. He will want to prove himself to be fit and be a regular starter.}

1.) 25 Feb 2016 08:09:37
I genuinely thought mountains were being made out of molehills by this entire situation. People were looking for updates when there was no update to give. I'm fairly certain Klopp came out at one stage during it and said studge needs a 'pre season' of sorts before he could play which made sense in my mind because it was breaking the perpetual cycle of injury > recover > thrown back in straight away > inevitable break down
Only time will tell if the cycle has been broken so fingers crossed.

{Ed002's Note - Sturridge was, quite correctly, eased back in. If he picks up an injury now because too much is being asked too soon then the finger will point directly at the coaching staff.}

2.) 25 Feb 2016 08:18:21
I agree it's a difficult balancing act for Klopp and co. Play him too much and he will most certainly break down again, don't play him enough and you'll have certain sections of the media/ supporters blasting management for not playing our best player and will come out with ridiculous rumours and theories. Common sense rarely prevails!

3.) 25 Feb 2016 11:50:19
Eds and Reds would I be right in saying that the majority of his injuries have come in training rather than a competitive match? Not sure where I'm going with this, but perhaps he needs the Ledley King treatment?

4.) 25 Feb 2016 12:16:24
I'll take the Ed's word on this, paper talk is generally made sensationalism. With any luck he can put this all behind him, Studge is a top class finisher and a tremendous player, so I am glad to see him back.




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10 Dec 2017 13:16:28
Teams around us dropping points. Que the inevitable liverpool cock up.

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1.) 10 Dec 2017 13:45:02
I’m not convinced a midfield of Henderson, Milner and Oxlade-Chamberlain is anywhere near good enough.

2.) 10 Dec 2017 19:59:24
Mr Dennis, your spot on, How on earth can Klopp put out that midfield today, I thought Can should have played, way too many changes, did his assistant, the Brains have any imput into that very poor team choice .



08 Dec 2017 21:07:36
God there has been some crap chatted about henderson on here the past few weeks.

I honestly don't understand how some of you can call yourself 'fans'. Mindless negative comments that are ineloquently expressed and simply are not true. I honestly don't know where to begin with some of this crap.

Henderson is not playing very well. Not appallingly, just not very well. In my opinion he is suffering from a combination of injury struggles and being shoehorned into a position he is struggling in. I personally think he should be taken out of the firing line for a while and be given some support by being able to play alongside a legitimate defensive midfielder and this double pivot rubbish can be put to bed.

But i tell you what i will not say. I will not slag off our longest serving player, our club captain, a player who has worked so hard to get to the level he is at in the face of adversity, a player who has always put 100% in on the pitch and is more deserving to wear the shirt than any other player at our club, who needs and deserves our support after a long term injury.

I won't mindlessly slag him off with absolute drivel that simply is not true. Totally non-constructive statements about 'sideways passing', 'ping pong with the defense', 'bang average', 'we will never be successful with players like henderson'. Its disgusting. Honestly some of you have no idea what it means to support a football club. All you ever want is the club to overhaul its entire squad every year with players that are honestly nowhere near as good as our own, but some of you are so hell bent on slagging off them all that you wouldn't even know that. Just constantly drooling over foreign names in leagues you have never watched, only on youtube highlight videos, drooling over statistics and video game stats. Words like 'community' and 'support' mean nothing to some.

I'm not going to lie that i have been very critical of certain players at this club, but only because i truly believed they were not trying hard enough to improve to a respectable standard. Moreno has since proved me wrong. Long may that continue. Henderson is not one such player and yet the same people who criticise him today were probably the same ones drooling when we signed balotelli.

And to respond some of the comments i have seen below, as Ed001 has previously covered, assists mean absolutely sod all in football. Another pointless useless statistic to bash a player with instead of using your own eyes. And for those who even have the disrespect to compare him to steven gerrard, as if he has some obligation to be as good as him or he is worthless, go and stuff yourselves in a room full of posters of old players if you want nostalgia. To nostalgiacally compare our current captain, who has had no off field misbehaviours, to gerrard, as if gerrard was some kind of messiah, is insulting. For the record, i live a few streets away from gerrard and henderson, i serve and help both of them in work regularly. All i can say is that henderson is a much nicer, respectable and ideal representative for the club than gerrard ever was. And as you may have forgotten, gerrard was very close to forcing a move from liverpool on two occassions. But i guess henderson doesn't deserve to wear the shirt compared to him :) .

Anonymous Woolback

{Ed025's Note - thats a very good article on the merits of jordan there wooly , ......its a pity hes crap really mate.. :)

1.) 08 Dec 2017 23:34:03
Really good post woolback.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 00:06:32
you've got your opinion on Henderson other posters have got there's that's what its all about different opinions.

3.) 09 Dec 2017 01:28:10
Top post Wooly. Some people forget how inyegal he has been in recent years. If we had a decent CDM and Hendo resumed his natural position in Wijis place people wouldn’t be spouting nonsense. Fella is a consummate pro doing exactly what he is instructed currently, and has far more ability than some give hime credit for, especially good ol ed 025. Sorry Ed 025! Love ya even if you are a blue, but some context to the needless dislike please?! No football fan can fail to see the benefits of a Henderson type player in the midst unless they are blinded by pure hatred?! 😎.

4.) 09 Dec 2017 00:11:43
Woolback. You could slate Moreno and no one should slate Hendo. Everyone I am sure would also want to be wring about him like you are of Moreno. I also want him to be better. But for playing in the wrong position is verdict given on performance. He is not good enough in that position is absolutely correct and is being judged on that. I am not a fan of him. in that position either but still support him as a Liverpool player. But he can't be exempt from criticism as are no one else. Coutinho weren't on par and he was slated and called many things.

5.) 08 Dec 2017 22:45:35
You will eat your words Ed025.

{Ed025's Note - i fully expect to hsf..

6.) 08 Dec 2017 23:01:28
It will be interesting to see if you feel the same way after we have your pants down on Sunday ED025 😂.

{Ed025's Note - my expectations are very low den, but as they say its the hope that kills you mate..

7.) 08 Dec 2017 23:35:51
Great post, Wooly. Ed25 as you always tell us, that is your opinion. IMO, none of your midfield dross at Everton would make our midfield ahead of Hendo and pls, don't mention the hopelessly awful Barkley or the forever headless Gueye (baby Kante, my foot) cos they would not make our CM ahead of Woodburn.

{Ed025's Note - not barkley but gana and gylfi every day of the week brover, but respect to you for sticking up for one of your own mate, even though its like not admitting one of your own children is is in the eye of the beholder as they say.. :)

8.) 09 Dec 2017 06:30:45
Mate everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site, no matter how stupid or real they sound, they still feel they can express that matter on this site which is what it's here for. It's obvious your quite sensitive to other peoples opinions negatively on players so maybe this site isn't for you lol.

9.) 09 Dec 2017 08:55:25
Ok since we want to argue based on facts, I will give you facts.

How many successful take on has Henderson completed?

I know immediately Hendo supporter will say takeons are not important in his position. But look at players who are box to box or even DM, they are able to carry the ball and break in between the opponents lines. That's the sort quality of DM or whatever you call it, it relieves the defence of pressure.

It's not just the fans here who complain of Hendo, the fans at a field moan when in our match Hendo fail to spot an counter attack opportunity because he was too occupied to play it safe.

So what if you have 85 or 90% pass completion rate? My grandma passes 100% when it's side or back pass. And this behaviour puts pressure on the defence and GK. Roy kean ( I hate to use this example) snarled at young players and call them out during training when they make this kind of ping pong passes, he will tell them "you are playing for this club, we do not make this kind of safe passes, take risk and make a forward pass " and here our very own captain is doing it. This is never the Liverpool way too. We take risk and pass forward for attacking oppprtunity.

10.) 09 Dec 2017 09:56:12
Probably the best post I've ever read on here.

Countered by utter drivel from Leekuanyew who uses quotes from an ex-Manc to slag one of his own players off.
Shameful and embarrassing.
There's nothing more needs saying when you read crap like that.

11.) 09 Dec 2017 10:20:26
Midfield players should be contributing goals/ assists too
Henderson’s poor goal scoring record over the last few seasons says it all even when he wasn’t playing the DM role
Always opting to pass the buck instead of taking a shot from the edge of the box
At this point I would have Joe Allen instead of Hendo
The recent Chelsea game showed up his limitations.
P. S. Everyone has their own opinion- don’t accuse those with a contrary view of hating or lacking in football knowledge.

{Ed001's Note - but it is a lack of footballing knowledge in your post, go and check Makalele's goal/assist record and then shove your nonsense up your backside where it belongs. This is the problem with stats, idiots can misuse them as they do not have the intelligence to understand them or how to use them.}

12.) 09 Dec 2017 11:13:27
Supermane, your post makes no sense at all. How on earth can you compare goals and assists stats for a DM? How is that even possible? This is the prob. with the Hendo debate. Those who don't like him are twisting themselves into knots trying to find flaws in his game (and there are) BUT since they can't engage in any honest critical thinking, they make up false comparisons like the one you just put up. Matic has a poorer assists/ goals ratio to Hendo. Does that make Hendo a better DM than Matic? NO!

SG played the same role for BR and scored 12 goals (ALL PENALTIES) . Does that make him better than Makelele in that role? NO. See what I did there? Your opinion ceases to be an honest opinion the day you start using dishonest parameters that are factually illogical to form it. It becomes parroting the same crap that everybody you agree with does.

Ed01 is correct. Many of those who assess Hendo based on such flippant stuff like goals/ assists as a DM, lack the footballing awareness to discuss this issue honestly so in the end, why bother?

13.) 09 Dec 2017 11:17:48
Does anybody who slates Henderson actually watch the teams we play against and the job he's asked to do? There are very very few deep lying midfielders I've ever seen that are able to unlock two banks of five from inside one half of a pitch. I don't know what you lot want. What about the rest of the midfield and their goal/ assist stats? All I can say is if anyone can tell me a team in the league that he wouldn't get in, I can call you a liar. (Delph, Herrera, Bakayoko, Xhaka, Dier etc etc) Just because he's not Gerrard and wears the armband, he gets a bashing. Great supporters!

14.) 09 Dec 2017 11:35:54
Compare Kante goal record to Hendo even when Hendo wasn’t playing DM role.

{Ed001's Note - more ignorance, Kante is not a DM, perhaps you should try and understand the game?}

15.) 09 Dec 2017 11:42:04
Only the Eds have a monopoly on football knowledge
Please don’t use your position to throw insults at posters
We are only sharing our opinion
Comments such as moron are not polite or deserved
I have not resorted to below the belt insults such as those and there is no need for you guys eother.

{Ed001's Note - you have done nothing but insult our players, but you think you deserve respect? You deserve nothing but contempt. People like you and Leek are just embarrassing. Don't worry I won't waste my time with you again, you are not worth my time, you just want to insult others but expect to be treated with kid gloves. Such a baby.}

16.) 09 Dec 2017 13:12:45
Hendo hasn't played well since he came back from injury, but that's the point - he's coming back from injury. Cut him some slack will you? Alonso had a season or so where he lost form - to the point where Rafa was going to replace him with Gareth Barry!
Players lose form, especially after injuries. It doesn't mean they're poor players or that they aren't putting in 100%.

17.) 09 Dec 2017 13:30:16
Leekuanyew and Supermane are just two examples of people who have no knowledge of the game, but are content to expose this repeatedly by constantly spouting crap and slagging their own players off. Ed001 is absolutely right, absolutely embarrassing.

18.) 09 Dec 2017 14:22:15
" we take risks and pass forward " Maybe that is why we have won bugger all in the last 10 years. Posters come on here saying we need to win some games with an ugly 1-0, then complain when we play a bit safe. Recent results prove we must be doing something right.

19.) 09 Dec 2017 14:23:59
Superman, I agreed with you on Allen over Henderson. Despite his small build, he never loses his cool in possession and could hold on to ball and make good pass to relieve defence off pressure.

20.) 09 Dec 2017 11:05:48
Ed25, my child being ugly or cute is a matter of opinion and nothing more. You prefer Gylfi and Gana. That is fine by me as IMO, they would not start in our first 11 and would hardly get on the bench ahead of Lallana and Can.

You thinking that Gylfi and Gana are cute is your opinion and nothing more. Me thinking Hendo is a very good player is me thinking Hendo is cuter than your own, is my opinion as well. Nothing more nothing less.

{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

21.) 09 Dec 2017 12:42:33
As i said lee, i quite frankly do not care about statistics, i hate them being used in football as they are almost always total lies, manipulated in such a way to tell one story when in reality it is another. Fabregas got almost 20 assists one premier league season but really isn't that good a player. Even goals scored can sometimes not tell a story, as if you were to judge firmino, cantona and bergkamp on their goal record as strikers, rather than using your own eyes, you would probably think they are crap.

Ed025, that's your opinion, but you aren't a fan of our club. I personally think sigurdsson is nothing more than decent and is not the classy playmaker he is made out to be. The difference is he is YOUR player, and henderson is OURS. And i expect nothing less from either side to defend the majority of their players from criticism, as we both watch our own teams regularly rather than vice versa. My point is that on this page we don't really seem to take pride in our players and defend them, we just have a load of moaning petulant children who constantly talk about other teams players who, realistically, they probably have never watched, as opposed to supporting our own lads, most of whom put 100% in for the shirt. Its disgusting.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

22.) 09 Dec 2017 15:10:47
If Henderson is so poor then why has he captained England at every level and the club teams he has played for? Super you ask ed01 not to use words, while your posts are exactly that moronic slating and bashing players all the time just because you don't like them that is personal not an opinion.
You bashers will be right tho even tho ever other person who has managed or had something to do with Henderson says different you still have to be disrespectful, so my opinion is that ed01 is right that your an clueless moronic idiot and a waste of time.

23.) 09 Dec 2017 20:31:47
Hendos brother
I did not call Henderson a moron nor did I use any other insulting term.
I’m just giving my opinion on his performances. If that is not as informed as the Eds it still doesn’t deserve the insult
I have never called any player or for that matter any other contributor a moron, an idiot or anything like that. I would never call an Ed a Pratt etc so why should I get that from them
Call me old fashioned but I think it reflects very badly on the site and those that run it.

Nothing wrong with keeping it civil.

24.) 09 Dec 2017 20:33:43
Hendos brother get your facts right
I don’t regularly bash players
Look at all those calling for Coutinho not to be payed and the things they’ve said about him
Didn’t see the same outcry then.

25.) 09 Dec 2017 23:24:50
Super the bashing of any player all ways gets the same out come from me and it won't change a don't give a toss who it is, when they step on the field in the red of LFC I will always support them.
Remember Liverpool nearly winning the league a few yrs back? Although it was bodgers fault really because of the tactics at the beginning of the season we still may have won it if Henderson hadn't been banned for them last 3 games, yes the lad hasn't been of the same standard this season but injuries and been asked to play in a position that simply doesn't suit him doesn't help.
Look there's a lot of you on here bashing the lad for no reason although he hasn't been to the same standard he is still doing a decent job and he gives 100% every time he steps out in that red shirt of lfc.



30 Nov 2017 01:21:50
With Allardici being appointed at everton, where does everyone stand on the rhetoric that british managers, young managers and lower end managers don't get a chance at the top jobs with more resources?

Personally i think there is something in it - managers at the lower end apply such playing styles because they are in such a position and thus have to MANAGE that situation in such a fashion, all the while being branded as incapable of getting a team to play good football.

On the flipside i do think there's a fair amount of bull on this issue, allardyce and pulis bang on about it a lot but let's look at the evidence.

Mark Hughes after city takeover - dreadful

Allardyce - got his chance with england after all the years of complaining and blew it after 1 game

Pulis - Finally got the resources he wanted at west brom and some good players, made them even worse

Martinez at everton - dreadful

Rodgers at liverpool - dreadful

Moyes at united - dreadful

Koeman at everton - okay fair enough a big name in football but still a midtable manager who was given a chance with a lot of money and blew it

Hodgson with liverpool AND england - dreadful

The only one you could say who has succeeded in recent times is pochettino going to spurs from southampton, but even he is showing signs of taking his team backwards.

Anonymous Woolback

1.) 30 Nov 2017 06:56:44
Owners don't care about the nationality of a manager - in general.
If you are the best man for the job, you will be approached.

2.) 30 Nov 2017 08:11:54
Spot on, Ron. Also, the fact that these English managers mentioned (you can add the dreadful Alan Pardew to that list) have been dreadful at their jobs will only make owners NOT look into hiring them. Also, these failed managers are like recycled failures bouncing around teams like a pinball and still, can't hack it hence, blocking the path of younger English managers who may be talented BUT won't get a chance cos these old dinosaurs are taking up all the space and ruining it for everybody else.



23 Nov 2017 15:00:47
Look, i was as angry as anyone when sevilla scored that third but after calming down, okay its not ideal, but it does happen. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Its the champions league. These are teams as good as if not better than us. Almost every game is a 50/ 50. If this was burnley or bournemouth then yes i would be worried but sevilla are a good team.

Ultimately i think this embarrassing amount of moaning and knee jerking is the typical modern day football fan response. The reason for this is that all fans of the big clubs expect success. They only see other teams as stationary obstacles to be overcome.

The truth is, behind every victory, defeat or draw, there is another set of fans who have the exact same emotions as we do. People seem to forget this. So if we are 3-0 up against sevilla, do you not think sevilla fans are thinking their defenders are embarrassing and their team needs a kick up the arse? They probably are. On the other hand we thought our team were amazing, rather than sevilla being poor, and from our perspective that was why we scored 3 goals. However i doubt you will see fans of sevilla demanding their whole defence be hung drawn and quartered. If we had come back from sevillas position to make it 3-0 we'd be saying how we are the best thing since sliced bread, not how awful sevilla are.

In a nushell, all the teams we come up against are trying to be as competitive as us. We do not have a right to win every game. We do not expect to win every.

Anonymous Woolback

1.) 23 Nov 2017 15:04:40
Good post.

2.) 23 Nov 2017 15:11:49
Good post AW!

3.) 23 Nov 2017 15:21:19
Well said - we have no god given right to win every game and yet we react to every defeat (or draw) like we need to replace half the team. We deserve to have high expectations but that is not a license to knee jerk at every result, but to take everything in context.

That context for me is we drew in the CL away from home when we deserved to win. but that after a few great games where we looked a solid side with good balance and scoring 3 goals a game. let's take the lesson and move onto Chelsea and do better.

4.) 23 Nov 2017 16:51:18
AS, so are you saying fans don't expect team to win every game? Ok, hi fellow reds, let's hope we draw or lose chelsea. Let just be happy to beat everton, norwich, and bottom 2 clubs. anything more it's bonus.

5.) 23 Nov 2017 18:31:44
Hi Woolback. Sevilla are a good side and recruit very well. But we should be beating them over 2 legs. I agree any team can have a bad game or a bad half, but already this season:

we stank first half v Watford
we were poor against Burnley and could easily have lost at the end.
second half v Newcastle we were poor
we were less than useless the full game v Spurs
Man City we lay down and got butchered.
we were crap second half v Sevilla
In the Capital cup we were pathetic

That is too much second rate football in the the first few months.

6.) 23 Nov 2017 19:47:55
Sorry i accidentally pressed the post button when i wasnt finished. Yes mark that would be called a period of poor FORM. And you know else has periods of poor form, who lose games, who perform below par? Every single top team in Europe. Barcelona and Madrid are regularly undone by la liga sides far worse than some of the sides in our division and yet they're on a different footballing planet to us.

The point of my post is that we are not the centre of the universe and everything revolves around us. Every team we win, lose or draw to has the exact same set of emotions as us and expectations. So when we get a good resut against a team like city or spurs, they 'could' or 'should' have beaten us on paper, like us against sevilla - but we will be far too busy praising our own players for playing well.

After every single game the pundits always always focus on what a team did wrong, rather than what the oppositon did right, and always speak in terms that sound as if every single team should win every single game, every top team should be winning trophies, and anything else is unacceptable. Modern football logic sucks.

7.) 23 Nov 2017 19:54:42
Be nice to win more than one trophy every 10 years. You like many others on here just accept second best. Sorry that's wrong 4th or 5th best. I have had enough of failure, grow a pair will you.

{Ed025's Note - success comes in cycles mark, the 80,s it was the pool, united and arsenal have had their turn and so have chelsea, its everton next season and then spurs but city are the top dogs now..liverpool are not due until 2036 and i will be 78 by then mate.. :)

8.) 23 Nov 2017 20:23:13
unless we fully accept that we are a top six team rather than a top four team,
Klopp has not made that much difference to results, yes we are exciting at times, but yes we are awful at times too, we came up against both Spurs and Man City, and it was painful,
Seville are a very good team also, and we couldn't beat them in both games,
its a big test for Liverpool V Chelsea, it will be very interesting, and maybe worth even more than the 3 points .

9.) 23 Nov 2017 20:08:51
Everton next season huh Ed025? When you get promotion back to the BPL by winning the Championship right? That's the closest sniff the blue reserves of Merseyside are getting to silverware.

{Ed025's Note - stranger things have happened IB...oh no they have,nt.. :)

10.) 23 Nov 2017 20:39:56
hi Ed025,could be something to do with money?

Liverpool have the makings of a really good side and its so bloody obvious what is wrong. We spent £100m on forwards and minus £20+ million on defence players. I am just frustrated mate.

{Ed025's Note - i know mate, but look on the bright side could be an evertonian..

11.) 23 Nov 2017 23:04:07
Relaxlabrudder. I don’t think any LFC fan wants Liverpool to lose so that’s a bit of an overstatement. I. e of course I want Liverpool to win against Chelsea Saturday but if I’m being honest I don’t think it will happen. Can we win? Of course we can, but realistically I think it’s more likely to be a draw or they win. I think as fans we have the right to feel frustrated when throwing away a 3 goal lead, not only because of the loss of a healthy lead and not closing out the game, but also because of the manner of the loss. Our own mistakes cost us as they often do. I genuinely can’t remember the last time a team beat us purely down to outplaying us. Southampton last year maybe? Can’t remeber. City this season being they closest recent example but we were down to 10 for the majority and were giving them a game before then. Spurs - stupid individual errors from Dejan lost that game in the first 10 mins followed up by some shoddy work from Migs. Sevilla was similar, Moreno had a mare for the first two goals and Klavan has to clear that last minute corner away. We are our own worst enemy more than any other team.

12.) 24 Nov 2017 08:44:06
Haha ed don't you mean 178, i don't think i will see lfc win another title in my lifetime, i was a little baby the last time we did and i wish i was able to see it happen once. Nobody wants to see out defence hung drawn and quartered but let's be brutally honest here, its been woeful sinch hypia retired and the club as far as i have seen have refused to buy anyone of note to make it a semi solid unit let alone a good one.

Until klopp or whoever decides to spend what it takes results like midweek will always happen. As soon as they scored i felt a collapse coming, im just thankful there was not enough time for them to win it. It is not morenos fault, he does not pick himself and his manager is fully aware of his limitations.

I expect another strong season but ultimately trophyless. Its a shame but its not entirely unexpected though is it?

{Ed025's Note - i would say not IAC,i must say that i have seen some great liverpool defenders in my time, the likes of hansen, hypia, lawrenson et al not to mention the likes of jimmy case, tommy smith and ron yeats who were genuine hard men mate, they will be before your time though but im sure some of the old codgers will remember them,.



10 Sep 2017 15:25:50
On the subject of matip, he may not be perfect, but he is far better than anything we have had for a while. I totally get what you say ed001 that the more we watch him the worse he seems, i actually feel it might be somewhat deteriorating confidence. When he joined initially he was great, as time has gone on and he has played more with our other shambolic defenders and goalies, he has got worse. I feel that once robertson and karius have finally settled in and our starting games, and we hopefully get another more competent centre back, we will see him in great form.

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1.) 10 Sep 2017 16:12:16
So here we are discussing who is the least bad Centre Back in the club, that in itself is shocking.

2.) 10 Sep 2017 16:53:47
It's not all about who makes mistakes. Sometimes you just have to say the opposition were very very good. It hurts I know but is true.

{Ed025's Note - fair play to you mate..

3.) 10 Sep 2017 17:14:46
Yes our defending is shocking and your all calling for gomez to be given the chance as a centerback but your all missing a small but vital point, all our centerback players in our senior squad are right sided center backs except klavan so although this is a small thing its important for example if you watch Lovren he always tackles with his right leg predominately when attacked on his left which is the easiet way to give away free kicks and penalties which we have seen him do and it could explain a small bit why he does not help the left back out much and leaves it to Gini and Can mostly.

4.) 10 Sep 2017 21:36:12
Insane, had VVD come in, he would still be a right footer playing on the left side of the CB position so not much would have changed.

5.) 11 Sep 2017 11:34:11
City clicked big time yesterday and I'm not sure we'd have beaten them to be fair. As much as we got through Otamendi down their left, they exposed our defence left, right and centre.

Done and dusted now - Seville Wednesday night.




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12 Dec 2017 19:46:54
Evans is a manc and i wouldn't touch any west ham player with a barge pole, apart from obiang.

Their really isn't anybody i'd choose to go, somebody from burnley maybe, gibson of middlesborough, i'd avoid van dijk because of the money he would cost and i just don't think he is what we need. But i do believe we need 2 centre backs and that in any backline that having defenders from your own country is how all teams win titles, due to confidence and communicating with team mates. If a centre back doesn't settle in well it shows up far worse than if an attacker does not.

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12 Dec 2017 10:00:11
If we did hypothetically change both centre backs mid season, they would both be so out of sorts and play so badly they would never be able to bounce back from it, regardless of how good they actually were. And then people like harry would jump on the bandwagon and abuse them after crying out for exactly that.

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10 Dec 2017 20:34:24
Truly astonishing how the community of this site has grown and how something like this can now take place. Huge thumbs up to benny baller and everyone taking part. Shame that i am both on holiday at the time and almost certainly too bad at football to play😂.

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10 Dec 2017 12:52:41
Harry has to wear a full real madrid strip embrazoned with 'kovacic'.

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09 Dec 2017 12:42:33
As i said lee, i quite frankly do not care about statistics, i hate them being used in football as they are almost always total lies, manipulated in such a way to tell one story when in reality it is another. Fabregas got almost 20 assists one premier league season but really isn't that good a player. Even goals scored can sometimes not tell a story, as if you were to judge firmino, cantona and bergkamp on their goal record as strikers, rather than using your own eyes, you would probably think they are crap.

Ed025, that's your opinion, but you aren't a fan of our club. I personally think sigurdsson is nothing more than decent and is not the classy playmaker he is made out to be. The difference is he is YOUR player, and henderson is OURS. And i expect nothing less from either side to defend the majority of their players from criticism, as we both watch our own teams regularly rather than vice versa. My point is that on this page we don't really seem to take pride in our players and defend them, we just have a load of moaning petulant children who constantly talk about other teams players who, realistically, they probably have never watched, as opposed to supporting our own lads, most of whom put 100% in for the shirt. Its disgusting.

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