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07 Jun 2017 16:53:52
Rumours now circulating that we have moved on from Van Dijk and have made an offer for Stefan De Vrij.

No idea how trustworthy these are.

Any ideas anyone? Eds?


{Ed002's Note - I can't help, sorry. He would however be a good buy.}

1.) 07 Jun 2017 17:17:48
I'd tend to agree on that Ed002. Given that he is in the last year of his contract the fee is likely to also be a bit more reasonable.

A little concerned by the fact that he primarily plays on the right of the CBs though. We saw how much Lovren struggled when he was moved from LCB to RCB.

2.) 07 Jun 2017 17:25:11
Its being reported on Football Italia via Sky that we have had a €20m bid turned down, with Lazio apparently holding out for closer to €35m.

He would be just over half the cost of VVD.

I know nothing about him other than it was reported 2 years ago that he was keen on a move to Liverpool when he left Feyenord, and was ultimately bought by Lazio.

Ed002, would you be able to elaborate on why you think he would be a good option?

Also, any views from peeps who watch the Italian league?

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure where you get the "just over half" rom but De Vrij's contract is running down and he is a very good player who is attracting interest from a number of high-profile sides.}

3.) 07 Jun 2017 18:00:38
Thanks Ed002, I should steer clear of finances!

I was talking purely in terms of reported transfer fees, with Lazio holding for c£30m (€35m according to the Football Italia report) and VVD costing c£60m + or -. I think the figures reported by the journalist who broke the story (can't remember his name) are just over £50m including add ons, although that could indeed go up significantly if tapping up is an issue, as you said in reply to another post.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not struck any financial deal with Southampton whatsoever.}

4.) 07 Jun 2017 18:21:30
Is De Vrij not a bit of a crock?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}



10 Apr 2017 10:14:34
My Real Madrid supporting cow orker has sworn blind that Bale is going back to the Premier League this summer.

He says that United is the most likely destination but there is also interest from Chelsea and Liverpool.

I've told him that he needs a long lie down.

Back me up here Eds, there's no way Bale is going to end up at Liverpool, right?


{Ed002's Note - You can tell your cow orker that Bale will not be moving to Liverpool this summer.}

1.) 10 Apr 2017 10:42:06
Thank you Ed002. Quality player but just can't see why he would be attracted to Liverpool and how we could possibly afford him.

Have a great day.

Hope you're enjoying the sunshine if you're UK based at the mo.

{Ed002's Note - It is a pleasant day here thank you.}

2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:15:37
As usual so called liverpool fans say every player is too big for lfc jokers coutinho firming better than any one in thebpremier
If l
Koop wants a player we will get him
1st signing Theo alaves/ attleti.

{Ed001's Note - what has it got to do with being too big? There are a number of reasons why, nothing to do with size, except size of fee and salary.}

3.) 10 Apr 2017 11:49:29
What a strange reply.

I meant it in the way that he is a Cardiff born guy who spent the whole of his youth career on the South Coast and then settled in London, a major capital city. He then moved to Madrid, a major capital city, and lived in the sun being paid £350k a week to do so playing with some of the best players in the world getting to the latter stages of the Champions League every year.

Why on earth would he want to move to the North West of England to a team that has only challenged for their domestic title once in the last 15 years, unless it's going to be for a lot more money. which we can't afford. Only United could even get close to affording what he would want.

It's not about "so called Liverpool fans" saying a player is too big, it's about understanding that this isn't Football Manager where you can just sign whoever you want.

4.) 10 Apr 2017 12:16:33
No player is bigger than the club. 👍🏼.

5.) 10 Apr 2017 13:44:27
Well said Mikey but I'm still working out what someone who orks cows actually does? I'm hoping it's not missing a p in there somewhere.

6.) 10 Apr 2017 13:52:17
How do you ork a cow?

{Ed001's Note - it is obviously a D&D reference....}

7.) 10 Apr 2017 15:32:21
I don't know any cow orkers who support Real Madrid.
I think it's a load of bull.

8.) 10 Apr 2017 23:13:15
You have it all wrong . It's the orkers cow that supports Real Madrid.



01 Feb 2017 12:49:39
Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone is aware what the plan with Flanagan is?

He was sent on loan, apparently with some sort of weird clause about having to play a certain percentage of games, but hasn't started a game since October.

Does he have a future at Liverpool or is he one more to be added to the scrap heap?

Cheers all


1.) 01 Feb 2017 16:31:19
Doesn't have a future, he's struggled to get any real game time this season, championship is his level

2.) 01 Feb 2017 22:04:26
Championship my arse . he is quality just had injuries/ issues which have massively hindered his progress. out of site out of mind. love to see him back in a red shirt. cracking little player.

3.) 01 Feb 2017 23:51:10
He's just not quality at all, with Klopp's system you need full backs who are suited to playing like wingers in possession and bombing forward at any given moment. He's simply not good enough or suited to a team who has aspirations to be challenging for trophies. If he wasn't a local lad people the majority of people would judge him completely differently.

4.) 02 Feb 2017 01:49:54
It baffles me how many people still rate him, he had a fairly good season in 13/ 14 but his all round game just isn't up to standard, love the guys passion and commitment but we need to take off the red specs. I think he has made 5 appearances at Burnley, just not good enough for a club who have ambitions of being CL regulars.

5.) 02 Feb 2017 03:39:25
Unfortunately injuries have hampered his career but I wouldn't rule out if he comes back into form he could become very useful to a PL club, but suspect unlikely at liverpool as he's primarily defensively minded.

{Ed025's Note - which is just what you need zimbo..

6.) 02 Feb 2017 10:31:05
Still technically a Liverpool player so he gets my support but I do believe he'll be off probably in the summer. Good player but not for us. Championship level? No, would fit right in with a team like stoke.

7.) 02 Feb 2017 11:17:54
He was brilliant 13/ 14 season and has struggled with injuries since, he hasn't been seen for past couple years so how can anyone really judge him. where he's from has nothing to do with it. that's a massive chip on some people's shoulders.

8.) 02 Feb 2017 12:40:12
Quality. Ignore loans. Unless there is a certain clause to buy him you donr build your tem around someone who isn't going to be here next yearm

A loan is usually just to bulk uo the numbers ans cover your first team.

9.) 02 Feb 2017 06:18:31
Fair play but I don't think that's what Klopp has in mind is what I meant.

{Ed025's Note - liverpools biggest problem is the defence zimbo and flanno cant be much worse than whats there at the moment mate..

10.) 03 Feb 2017 13:03:01
Agree with 25 Flanno for me is an improvement on all 3 current fullbacks that we have. It wasn't a 1 off season really where he looked good, even when called into action at 17 he kept Theo Walcott and his pace in his pocket all game, and played well when given opportunities in other games at 17/ 18.
Injuries have hampered him, so he hasn't been able to pla, He's looked good when I;ve watched his appearances at Burnley too, sadly he's only there to fill out their squad and give it depth. He certainly looks better than Lowton when gien chaces.

11.) 03 Feb 2017 13:36:39
Flanno might not be the greatest footballer but what he brings to the table is passion and desire which you won't see from him unless he is wearing a red shirt! He is a true Liverpool fan that will put it on the line for the club and its in the games against the lesser teams that he could be invaluable for us.

Just think back to the game we beat Arsenal 6-1 he had us up and at em from the first minute and was arguably man of the match against one of the best footballing sides in the league. talent only takes you so far on matchday the rest comes down to heart and Flanno has plenty of that. something we havelacked and has cost us games this season. Its a shame that so called fans will slate off one of the only true Liverpool fans at the club.

12.) 03 Feb 2017 13:08:26
Can you see Flanno been given a chance at Liverpool?

13.) 03 Feb 2017 22:44:46
Flanno is too slow both physically and mentally. Gets done by pace snd tricks every time and offers little going forward.

14.) 03 Feb 2017 22:54:10
Slimz great post.



31 Mar 2016 12:12:18
Hi Eds,

Rumours circulating the tabloids about Liverpool tabling an offer for Higuain.

I am pretty sure you will say that no official offer has been made, but are we interested in him?

I can only assume that pursuing a striker, especially one that expensive, means that arrangements have been made for Benteke already.

Or is it all just balderdash?

Cheers in advance.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not sold Benteke and has not made any offer for or shown any interest in Higuain.}



02 Feb 2015 19:44:19
Evening Eds,

Can you see Liverpool looking to bring anyone in should Lambert leave? Getting a bit close to the wire for me.

I would be tempted to give Ibe a shot up front if we need someone instead of panic buying someone now (Gignac??)

Good luck to Lambert if he does leave, amazing for him to play for the club he loves, shame he didn't get to score a blinder at the Kop end!

Cheers in advance Eds


{Ed002's Note - I think their is sufficient cover - Rodgers may not agree - I dealt with Gignac earlier.}




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23 Jun 2017 09:50:05
Just want to give a bit of praise to Migs for how well he played towards the back end of last season.

It's a testament to how good he was that we aren't all clamouring for a new GK to be signed.

With Karius to compete with and a confident Danny Ward on the books it's looking quite good in that department at the moment.

Long may it continue!


1.) 23 Jun 2017 12:36:44
I should apologise cause I've slated migs and to be fair if it wasn't for him I really don't think we would of made top 4 this year so SORRY bud keep it up 👍.



22 Jun 2017 19:53:35
No idea if the rumours are true but if Ben Gibson is available for less than £20mill he has to be just as good a buy as Van Dijk if not better.


1.) 22 Jun 2017 20:04:41
Apart from the fact he's nowhere near as good in the air, or on the ball, or in the tackle, or as physically imposing, or as quick, then yes. Why not chuck £20m at a very mediocre player who isn't an improvement on any player currently at the club. Personally I'd rather give Gomez a chance than waste good money on Gibson as Gomez is a better footballer.

2.) 22 Jun 2017 20:14:51
What on earth has Gomez done to show he is better?

Gibson was a shining light in a very poor Boro team. He is calm on the ball, he reads the game very well and he is a very intelligent footballer. Exactly what we need, a level head, unlikely to make mistakes.

Gibson will be an excellent CB for years to come.

I'm not saying Van Dijk won't but he'll also cost 3x as much.

3.) 22 Jun 2017 20:52:43
Not sure we watched the same player. Gibson was in a team that sat back and defended all the time and let's be honest, Boro were awful and there were no shining lights in that team, the idea that he reads the game well is a bit of a fallacy, given that he was never really in a situation that required much more than getting bodies behind the ball, he also lost a lot headers for a centre back and really isn't great in the air (given our record on conceding from crosses, that isn't good), in the two games against us he was pulled out position, didn't win headers, didn't make tackles, was quite slow and looked anything but a good centre back. Gomez is taller, physically more imposing, better in the air, quicker and actually a very good footballer. He's been unlucky with some rotten injuries and I'd much rather give him the chance than throw money at a player who is a mid table player at best.

4.) 22 Jun 2017 20:57:27
Red dawn I agree I think Gibson could do well with us. Let's hope we get some good additions and push on from our 4th position.

5.) 22 Jun 2017 21:47:19
Agree to disagree then I think.

I thought Gibson was excellent all season and the fact that he has had to fight against the claims of nepotism due to who his uncle is shows he has the mental strength to succeed as well.

That being said I do rate Gomez as well and would love him to be considered ahead of Klavan for this season.

6.) 22 Jun 2017 21:53:45
We need a centre back who is quick, strong and dominant in the air. Gibson doesn't posses any of these properties.



16 Jun 2017 15:05:16
So when are we putting a bid in for Ronaldo?


1.) 16 Jun 2017 15:23:01
Yes, we are just waiting for someone to pay 30 million for Sakho, 12 million for Moreno and 20 million for Markovic. Once those deals go through, FSG will proceed with the world record signing of Ronaldo who has been left dumbfounded after Papa Perez refused to protect him from the tax authorities. John Henry has assured Ronaldo he will always have his back no matter what and that is what will convince him to join us.

2.) 16 Jun 2017 16:09:21
When the transfer window opens 😉.

3.) 16 Jun 2017 16:15:26
as soon as john henry cuts down on the stogies.

4.) 16 Jun 2017 16:24:53
Buy out clause of €1bn, that might be an issue with FFP?

5.) 16 Jun 2017 16:38:55
Oh ron you've been coming here long enough to know that a buy out clause is of no consequence to Liverpool.

6.) 16 Jun 2017 16:47:24
Fair enough Jezza, can Jürgen speak Portuguese?

7.) 16 Jun 2017 22:38:02
Heard Klopp has tapped him up already, but I don't want him, he is throwing a big stropp, all his toys out of the pram, the big baby, everything has to go his way, needs a good slap .



06 Jun 2017 11:21:54
Hi Eds,

With the club likely to send Ward out on loan again this year do you think they will look for a third choice keeper or will the youth supply the 3rd keeper?

I'm guessing his wages would be much too high to make it viable, but Willy Caballero might be a decent option for me.

Or Shay Given, as he is doing his coaching badges at the moment as well.

Cheers for all your work as well Eds, much appreciated.


{Ed001's Note - it is more likely Manninger will sign for another year.}

1.) 06 Jun 2017 11:41:27
I thought Manninger decided to retire?

{Ed001's Note - yes but there is a possibility of player coach role.}



05 Jun 2017 14:46:08
I have tried to not think about getting VVD until Macca or the Eds confirmed it was done. So now that it has been I was wondering if anyone can tell me a bit more about him as a player.

Does he usually play on the left of the centre backs or the right?

Has he ever played in a 3 CB system? (As I think Klopp may be looking at this as an alternative to break teams down)

His injury records looks exceptional apart from the long injury he has just suffered and some games missed for an appendectomy when he was a youngster. Is there anything to be worried about there?

Anyway, all the best to our new player, he has my full support!


1.) 05 Jun 2017 15:02:56
He plays on the left and has good ability on the ball, can pick a pass and is excellent in the air. Although he does get caught out of position sometimes, so expect a few moments to get the pulse racing.

I don't understand how 3 center backs would help break down deep defending teams. Maybe from corners?

2.) 05 Jun 2017 15:14:33
Lovren will be either benched or sold before the window. Klopp won't drop an attacker for a defender. No way we are reverting to back 3.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 15:18:13
Cheers for the response.

And playing 3 at the back can let the wing backs push further forward which can often help in unlocking teams that are sitting with 9 players camped across their 18 yr line. Just a thought anyway.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 15:19:06
Here's my take on VVD, Dawn. He is an immensely talented CB with all the tools you would want a CB to have (pace, power, aerial ability and great in possession and good passing ability) . However, his issues include lapses in concentration, positional awareness and goes walk about a lot a la David luiz at times.

VVD relies too much on his ability (due to being a very laid back guy, per Ed01) to bail him out of said issues instead knuckling down and working on the deficient areas of his game. It will also b interesting to see how he fairs in the open system we play cos at Saints, he always played with two DM's inform of him to provide protection. That will not happen here as our CB's are often exposed and required to defend one on one vs the opposition

Either way, these are things that good coaching and motivational input from a good manager like Klopp, can fix and provided VVD is willing to learn and fulfill the potential we all know he has, he will be a top CB for us. I have have not seen him play in a back 3 so I have no info. I hope this helps you, Red.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 15:21:47
Still not sure what to make of the VVD deal. Will it hamper our budget enough to stop us signing some quality in the fullback positions? I hope not.
VVD could be a fantastic CB as long as he improves his concentration and stops strolling around. Its upto Klopp to make sure that VVD lives up to his huge transfer fee and wages. Its a deal that could make or break LFC next season. We have beaten Man City and Chelsea to his signature and VVd needs to justify the faith LFC and Klopp have put in him to be the top CB that everyone expects him to be.
But till we sign some quality fullbacks, I will remain a bit pessimistic about our chances at league glory next season.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 15:32:37
Our full-backs will be pushing forward plenty. The new ones I mean. That's why we're looking for full-backs with end product. With buckets of possession and a team pinned back in their own half we only need 2 CBs to bring the ball out from the back and thread passes into midfield/ final third. A third would be a waste and it'd be better to have another midfield creator/ winger or striker instead. If you watched the games that we had those problems in, you may have noticed that the problem was the fullbacks' final ball, or them not overlapping enough, or multiple players failing to create spaces, make the right runs or pick a killer pass. A 3rd CB would help with none of those. Although I agree, it might be useful from time to time to have the option, like against Chelski for example.

7.) 05 Jun 2017 15:34:59
Doubt we'll move to three at the back on a regular occasion but certainly opens the possibility. Right now however we just don't quite have the wing backs required to justify IMO. Milner on the left and Clyne right doesn't have enough attacking threat. would rather we went 4-3-3 and let our wingers create the width, especially if we have Salah.

8.) 05 Jun 2017 16:17:07
The FB's we get as J. Meister alluded to, will be key for us cos they need to be of very good quality. Now that VVD is done and Salah by all accts, will be done as well, we need to focus on the FB area with intent to improve it massively and if we can do that, we are good to go.




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22 Jun 2017 12:25:53
I would assume a massive wad of cash could convince Soton to do that. whether it would be worth it is a different question.




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22 Jun 2017 12:20:48
Not necessarily about the strike (which i think is nonsense like you said) but more that he is likely to still come to us at some point in the summer?

I can only assume that any move would be made after the FA decision has come out and after everything has died down a bit.


{Ed001's Note - it really is impossible to say as we would have to convince the FA it was all above board. What would help is getting Saints to retract their complaint.}



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22 Jun 2017 12:11:44
Anything on this Eds?

I can see Alan is getting a load of abuse for it.

To be honest, I tend to take nothing seriously until you guys or Macca confirm either way.



{Ed001's Note - the lad wants out, he has informed the club that he wants out, but he is not on strike as they are not back in preseason training, so what kind of strike can he go on?}



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21 Jun 2017 12:31:37
Better option than Robertson in my opinion. He's a Liverpool lad and has stood out for me as one of the better players in a poor West Ham team.

Decent on the ball and not prone to may mistakes, quite solid defensively. Not going to set the world alight with his performances, but an upgrade on what we have for sure.

If he could just convince Pedro Obiang to come along with him that would be LB and CM sorted for me.




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19 Jun 2017 14:38:26
Seeing as my response has been down voted for some reason i'll just copy Ed002's last response on Meyer which could have been found by searching his name at the top.

{Ed002's Note - Max Meyer fits the bill of a young attacking midfield player which prompted previous bids from Chelsea (who would have sent him on loan for one season before integrating him in to the squad) and Fiorentina in 2014. Schalke 04 do not want to sell the player and made it clear to Spurs and Milan who were showing an interest this past summer that any move was unlikely - going as far as turning down an offer of €47M. The player has shared his desire to play in Spain with Real Madrid or Barcelona or to play in England. Other sides such as Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Arsenal watched him last season but had no real interest. If Liverpool were to lose Coutinho and/ or Firmino he could be a player they may look to but right now they haven't. Spurs remain very interested and he is refusing to extend his contract making a move possible this summer. }.





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23 Jun 2017 11:22:46
Why not just play without wingers for the 4 weeks every two years that the AFCON is on?

If we can't cope with 2/ 3 players being away for a few weeks every couple of years then we have massive problems that cannot be solved by buying more players.




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22 Jun 2017 21:47:19
Agree to disagree then I think.

I thought Gibson was excellent all season and the fact that he has had to fight against the claims of nepotism due to who his uncle is shows he has the mental strength to succeed as well.

That being said I do rate Gomez as well and would love him to be considered ahead of Klavan for this season.




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22 Jun 2017 20:14:51
What on earth has Gomez done to show he is better?

Gibson was a shining light in a very poor Boro team. He is calm on the ball, he reads the game very well and he is a very intelligent footballer. Exactly what we need, a level head, unlikely to make mistakes.

Gibson will be an excellent CB for years to come.

I'm not saying Van Dijk won't but he'll also cost 3x as much.




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21 Jun 2017 15:20:24
Are you high?




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21 Jun 2017 13:51:00
Alves is winger who was never good enough to play on the wing. Just watch him in the Champions League final, he was often Juve's furthest player forward. He would be annihilated playing in the PL.

I'm not saying he isn't good at what he does but his pace is gone, he has never in his life actually had to do any defending and would want £200k a week.

I would rather play Milner at RB.