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30 Aug 2017 16:47:01
Maybe this will help for the evening rush


Coutinho - Barcelona are still interested. The club and Klopp did not want to sell. Klopp now does not want to keep him and he will likely move.

Lemar - We are interested. Monaco have so far not accepted an offer from us. The offers may or may not include Origi. If we make Monaco an acceptable offer he will likely sign.

Van Dijk - Thus club are still very interested. Soton have repeatedly said they do not want to sell. There has been significant damage done to the relationship with Soton and as such a deal seems unlikely at present. Soton would need to soften their stance and we would need to overpay to get him. He might end up elsewhere.

AOC - We are interested. It does not depend on other transfers. He wants the move and Klopp likes him. Looks like a good chance this will happen.

Koulibaly - There was interest earlier in the summer, we made an offer, it was rejected. Now that Napoli have qualified for the CL and we have left it so late this is a non starter.

Howedes - We were never interested. Has moved elsewhere anyway.

Mahrez - We are not interested.

Draxler - We are not interested.

Drinkwater - We are not interested.

Luan - We were interested. Complex third party ownership issues, will definitely not happen this summer, may be one for later.

GKs - We are not looking to sign any GKs. Lots of speculation about Migs leaving. Eds have not confirmed this in any way. Unlikely to be any change this summer.

Keita - Joining next summer.

Can - Has not signed a new contract. No developments on this. He will want guarantees on involvement. Will be difficult with AOC maybe coming and Keita coming next summer.

Sakho - Wanted by Crystal Palace. We rejected their latest offer. Holding out for more money. The club want rid, will likely be resolved before the end of the window. West Brom might be interested.

Ings - Not likely to go on loan. Will stay and improve fitness with a view to be a rotation option later in the season.

Sturridge - Not going anywhere this summer.

Milner - Not going anywhere this summer.

Origi - Could be loaned out but leaving it late to sort it now.

Moreno - Now very likely to stay

Klavan - Not going anywhere this summer

Lallana - Rumours of Spurs interest. Eds have not confirmed this. Not moving this summer.

Mane - Inter were interested. No plans to sell.


I think that covers just about everyone.

RedDawn

1.) 30 Aug 2017 17:07:25
Good summary RedDawn.


2.) 30 Aug 2017 17:32:01
Thanks, RedDawn. I will just add one more thing. Lemar is on Barca's radar and per French media, he is keen on them as well. We shall see.


3.) 30 Aug 2017 18:09:05
Top marks for opinion RedDawn.


4.) 30 Aug 2017 17:37:27
Excellent summary Reddawn hopefully save the eds some editing this evening!


 

 

06 Aug 2017 22:06:32
Be prepared for the outrage Eds.

Apparently we have agreed to let Coutinho leave.

Let the panic buying commence!

RedDawn

1.) 06 Aug 2017 22:16:07
I'd like to see all those who said we could compete for a top four place say it now. This is a hammer blow to our season.


2.) 06 Aug 2017 22:20:01
Ed's, batten down the hatches and put up the sand bags. It's going to get choppy!


3.) 06 Aug 2017 22:24:09
Heard the same it's all over the Internet.


4.) 06 Aug 2017 22:24:09
Heard the same it's all over the Internet.


5.) 06 Aug 2017 22:41:07
It going be alright who wants that PL trophy dripping in saudi oil anyway.
In FSG we trust. FACT.


6.) 06 Aug 2017 22:34:43
let's get as much as we can then put a bid in for lewendowski bayen munich are shambles at the moment maybe a new challenge might suit him wasn't he at dortmand with klopp too? .


7.) 06 Aug 2017 22:52:13
Lewandowski is on the downward curve of his career.


8.) 06 Aug 2017 23:04:45
Fake News!


9.) 06 Aug 2017 23:09:59
fine if coutinho leaves, especially if he doesn't want to be here.


10.) 06 Aug 2017 23:35:31
Faithinworks, take it you'll be happy with a season of failure.


11.) 06 Aug 2017 23:43:58
The issue isn't if Coutinho goes but the fact that it doesn't leave much time to find a replacement. for this reason I find it hard to believe we would sell. We will see though.


12.) 07 Aug 2017 00:41:10
frankly - obviously not fine with a failed season. but what are you going to do if and when coutinho leaves this summer? just have a cry?
not me, up for the season no matter what happens. look forward to see if we bring anyone in, and if not then will be excited to see how we step up and fill the void.


13.) 07 Aug 2017 01:18:19
It would be a huge blow, yes, but he played on the wing last season. who's expecting to start on the wing this season? Mane and Salah. The reality is whether deliberate or not, we actually have brought in someone new in his position already.

As much as I want him to stay, we also can't hold him against his will. I pray the report isn't true, but if it is, we can survive and hopefully replace him with someone special sooner rather than later.


14.) 07 Aug 2017 01:44:22
Emre Morr would be a fantastic replacement he's younger and quicker than Coutinho. We still do not have a better goalkeeper that can be trusted to do the job and instill confidence in the team. We also need a commanding central midfielder that can balls going through the middle so easily. We give away goals to easy through the middle of the park and set pieces. You don't need to be the best manager to see these mistakes it is so simple to sort out and starts by getting rid of players like Henderson who is so ordinary and the height of our defence will always be beaten.


15.) 07 Aug 2017 04:47:07
Jesus frankly, get a hold of yourself man!


16.) 07 Aug 2017 04:47:11
Lewandowski is not on a downward curve! That is total made up nonsense. It's embarrassing how many agree. He is 28 for god sake. Not to mention his goal tally last season of 43 in all competitions was the best of his career to date. The 42 the season before wasn't too shabby either.

I posted about this the other day, but it is truly shocking how the mentality of our fans has shifted. We'd rather sign a 21 year old with potential than a 28 year old who is ready to lead us to trophies from day one. Lewandowski is probably only second in world football to Luis Suarez as a central striker. If he was available and we turned it down because he is 28, I'd genuinely want heads to roll in our clubs recruitment team because that would be almost laughable. Anybody else remember United signing a 28 year old Van Persie and winning the league with his goals? And his injuries meant he actually was on a downward curve. But he was still good enough to fire them to the title with 30 goals!

{Ed001's Note - as a central striker, Lewandowski is the best in the world. As a player overall though, Suarez is a better player, he does more for the team. It is like comparing Ian Rush and Kenny Dalglish, Rush was without a doubt the better striker, but Dalglish was the better player and you would pick him every time. I am not sure if I am agreeing or disagreeing with you here MKS, just trying to explain my own thinking really, so probably neither!

However, anyone that would not take Lewandowski for their team right at this moment is utterly insane or absolutely clueless. He is world class. He is the kind of player that makes opposition teams completely change their set up to cope with him. He gives defenders panic attacks just leading up to the game they have to deal with him.}


17.) 07 Aug 2017 04:50:07
For all the talk about Klopp and team calling all the shots, this will be another humiliating admittance to our conduct of business in the transfer market - if true this is a big fat slap on Klopp's mouth. I think this deal won't happen though - it's just too short sighted for us to sell Couts when we have a CL match coming so soon. What a way to show our ambition before we start the season.


18.) 07 Aug 2017 05:20:38
I understand your logic Ed, no worries. In fact I probably agree with your assessment on it. Lewandowski scores more goals in a tougher league, but like you say, Suarez does more in terms of pressing, creating etc and probably can win a game from nothing like no other player in the world. As a pure striker though, I'd agree you cannot top Lewandowski. I'm still in shock that someone just insinuated they wouldn't want him. This could take me some time to comprehend.

{Ed001's Note - it is unreal. I think some people just don't actually watch these players play before they make their judgements on them.}


19.) 07 Aug 2017 05:27:27
MKS, this is the most sense i've seen on here for a while! Thanks for proving that there are sensible reds still out there. Ed001, you're spot on too!

{Ed001's Note - cheers hoh.}


20.) 07 Aug 2017 06:02:39
I would love Suarez back, imagine having him up front with attack we have at the moment! Crazy attack! I would take him all day long in place of couts. I am a little worried about the timing to be honest and our ability to find an adequate replacement. Maybe we should ask the question, we will take Suarez and 50 million please lol.


21.) 07 Aug 2017 07:16:59
I would do the same as we did with Suarez. Tell Coutinho he can leave, at the end of the season when we have thoroughly scouted a decent shortlist if replacements.
Only difference is that Suarez also needed that season to upgrade his transfer prospects from Arsenal to Barcelona, Coutinho doesn't need to convince Barcelona to come for him.


22.) 07 Aug 2017 08:19:15
One thing is for sure, Coutinho is no Suarez, he goes missing in games and is definitely replaceable, just hope we do t see Salah as the replacement. At the minute we look really strong in attack, without Coutinho and Lallana injured we lack quality.


23.) 07 Aug 2017 08:20:39
Lewa is a beast of a player, Ed and to me, Klopp's greatest creation. The complete CF who has pace, power, movement, pressing ability, aerial ability, the whole lot. He has NO weaknesses, period. If we ever bought a CF, he would be the one I would get.


24.) 07 Aug 2017 08:22:22
Sorry but Lewandowski is at the wrong end of his career, he'll be 29 this summer, not the age you join the premier league. He's had a great career, but if he joined us at this point there is far to much risk attached to it. The example of van Persie is a poor comparison given that van Persie was familiar with the premier league and didn't need to adjust. If we blew money on Lewandowski we'd be running the risk of doing a Chelsea and signing the equivalent of Shevchenko. I'm not saying he isn't a great player, but at 29 years old, he'd be too much of a risk.


25.) 07 Aug 2017 08:24:47
Spot on, Andy. That is what I would do as well but hey, I'm not the manager nor am I FSG. Those saying that "he's not world class anyway or he's inconsistent so he can go" are deluding themselves and have learnt absolutely nothing from the Torres and Suarez debacles. If we just let him go this season with no time to find a suitable replacement (I don't see anyone out there who can in the short term), we will regret it, period.


26.) 07 Aug 2017 08:43:26
Frankly Mr shankly do you have anything positive to say ever on this page, my god you sound like a child.


27.) 07 Aug 2017 08:46:21
Frankly I understand your opinion mate, but world class players can adapt. Shevchenko came from Italy to the Prem at a time when the tempo in the two divisions were at polar opposites, yes. But he also just failed massively to settle.

The Bundesliga is a similar tempo to the modern day Prem as the league is now flooded with continental managers anyway, but Lewandowski has a playing style suited to the English leagues.

It is always a lottery signing a new striker anyway. Drogba and Ibrahimović did all right adapting to a new league at a later stage in their career, whilst players like Bony and Benteke who were seemingly proven couldn't even adapt to a new club at a younger age; so that shows how it is more down to the individual than just what league they come from.


28.) 07 Aug 2017 08:55:35
Hard work you bet your a good to be around lewandowski would make my team before coutinho.

And if you're banding names of failures in the prem I'll match your shevchenko with an ibrahimovic.


29.) 07 Aug 2017 09:04:31
There aren't any positives, we are going into the new season without our best player, we will in all likelihood replace a top class player with mediocre players (there's a rumour doing the rounds that we're going to sign Oxlade for £28m which supports that point), we haven't been able to bring in our top targets and we still look hopelessly weak in midfield and defence.


30.) 07 Aug 2017 09:17:37
Didn't Utd sign RVP at 29 and then promptly win the league? . I would have no qualms with Lewandoski (not that it will happen thou! )


31.) 07 Aug 2017 09:24:12
There's is no support till it happens.

Reports suggest, nothing has actually happend yet, nothing is certain he hasn't gone yet.

Better to save judgement till the window is shut. It's not healthy to stress so much, bad news it's not been the best news the good news we haven't lost a pre season game we have a qualifier and European football to look forward to and the window is still open. Anything is still possible.


32.) 07 Aug 2017 09:30:44
United only got one really good season out of van Persie, the other two were blighted by injury. So again a poor comparison. As for Ibrahimovic, there was no risk as it was a free transfer, Lewandowski would cost a huge amount of money as well as the wages, so it's very comparable to Shevchenko. A couple of years ago, Lewandowski would be a great signing, but now? Not really, And even then, why leave Bayern when they are already in the Champions League and likely to win the title to come to a club in disarray?

{Ed001's Note - free? Zlatan was far from free.}


33.) 07 Aug 2017 09:41:31
Poor comparison? He helped win the league so worth every penny.


34.) 07 Aug 2017 09:42:24
Spot on Leeeee and BTW, it is only in the Catalan/ Spanish media tabloids printing rubbish on a bid to put pressure on LFC to sell Cou and to also get their fans excited for a new arrival. Discussions may be going on as Ed02 has said BUT there is nothing to it. We should stand our ground like RBL did for Keita and not sell. Cou can then be given a couple of weeks to sort his head out and then come back ready to go for the season. We simply cannot sell our best player, end of. If we do, we might as well be a selling club with no ambition and be done with it.


35.) 07 Aug 2017 09:53:09
Same reason neymar left Barca, money new challenge.

I'm not saying he's the answer but you wouldn't be happy if couts goes, you won't be happy if we replace with a lanzini coz he substandard, you won't be happy if we replace with lewandowski who could be considered world class.

You'd only be happy if we force him stay and make him love us and hate Barca, can't expect 100% from someone who's probable dreamed of playing for Barca, and is forced to stay at liverpool.

On the other hand he maybe happy to 1 more year but it's inevitable he will leave imo so we will face this impasse at some point.


36.) 07 Aug 2017 09:56:20
Lewandoski would easily score 25+ in the EPL and no way is he on a downward curve. Anybody that thinks that are mad and mustn't have watched any other football the last couple of seasons apart from LFC games.


37.) 07 Aug 2017 09:56:23
If couts wants to go take the best price and move on for, we don't want an unhappy player at the club as the eds say players come and go it's just the way of the business.


38.) 07 Aug 2017 13:40:54
Lewandowski's age is not an issue at this time, as he is not injury prone.

He would score for fun in the EPL. We would probably win the league if we signed him.


39.) 07 Aug 2017 18:00:03
Lewzndolski sold be brilliant signing. He's getting on but still on of world's best.


40.) 07 Aug 2017 18:08:36
Anyone who doubts lewandolski is crazy. The guy is one of best players in the world, at peak of his prowess. The issue is. Is he likely to sign for liverpool? Doubt it guys. Let's quit dreaming.


41.) 07 Aug 2017 18:11:42
Lewandolski is pure class and anyone who says otherwise would have serious trouble picking 11 players to field a team. If he's not good enough for you, then who is for god sake. 3 messi's 4 ronaldos and 4 Gareth bales.?

Frankly, lfc are not the most loved team in the world. We have enough haters across the park and down the motorway. We need our fans to SUPPORT our team. What do you suggest we do? Lock the gates of an field forever and give up coz our star player (whom we bought for 8 mil) is getting his dream move. For around 100 mil

Lfc have a habit of giving their very best players special treatment. Coutinio is that man atm. If you think so much of him, as the club do, how can you stand in the way of what was probably his boyhood dream?


 

 

07 Jun 2017 16:53:52
Rumours now circulating that we have moved on from Van Dijk and have made an offer for Stefan De Vrij.

No idea how trustworthy these are.

Any ideas anyone? Eds?

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - I can't help, sorry. He would however be a good buy.}


1.) 07 Jun 2017 17:17:48
I'd tend to agree on that Ed002. Given that he is in the last year of his contract the fee is likely to also be a bit more reasonable.

A little concerned by the fact that he primarily plays on the right of the CBs though. We saw how much Lovren struggled when he was moved from LCB to RCB.


2.) 07 Jun 2017 17:25:11
Its being reported on Football Italia via Sky that we have had a €20m bid turned down, with Lazio apparently holding out for closer to €35m.

He would be just over half the cost of VVD.

I know nothing about him other than it was reported 2 years ago that he was keen on a move to Liverpool when he left Feyenord, and was ultimately bought by Lazio.

Ed002, would you be able to elaborate on why you think he would be a good option?

Also, any views from peeps who watch the Italian league?

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure where you get the "just over half" rom but De Vrij's contract is running down and he is a very good player who is attracting interest from a number of high-profile sides.}


3.) 07 Jun 2017 18:00:38
Thanks Ed002, I should steer clear of finances!

I was talking purely in terms of reported transfer fees, with Lazio holding for c£30m (€35m according to the Football Italia report) and VVD costing c£60m + or -. I think the figures reported by the journalist who broke the story (can't remember his name) are just over £50m including add ons, although that could indeed go up significantly if tapping up is an issue, as you said in reply to another post.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not struck any financial deal with Southampton whatsoever.}


4.) 07 Jun 2017 18:21:30
Is De Vrij not a bit of a crock?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


 

 

10 Apr 2017 10:14:34
My Real Madrid supporting cow orker has sworn blind that Bale is going back to the Premier League this summer.

He says that United is the most likely destination but there is also interest from Chelsea and Liverpool.

I've told him that he needs a long lie down.

Back me up here Eds, there's no way Bale is going to end up at Liverpool, right?

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - You can tell your cow orker that Bale will not be moving to Liverpool this summer.}


1.) 10 Apr 2017 10:42:06
Thank you Ed002. Quality player but just can't see why he would be attracted to Liverpool and how we could possibly afford him.

Have a great day.

Hope you're enjoying the sunshine if you're UK based at the mo.

{Ed002's Note - It is a pleasant day here thank you.}


2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:15:37
As usual so called liverpool fans say every player is too big for lfc jokers coutinho firming better than any one in thebpremier
If l
Koop wants a player we will get him
1st signing Theo alaves/ attleti.

{Ed001's Note - what has it got to do with being too big? There are a number of reasons why, nothing to do with size, except size of fee and salary.}


3.) 10 Apr 2017 11:49:29
What a strange reply.

I meant it in the way that he is a Cardiff born guy who spent the whole of his youth career on the South Coast and then settled in London, a major capital city. He then moved to Madrid, a major capital city, and lived in the sun being paid £350k a week to do so playing with some of the best players in the world getting to the latter stages of the Champions League every year.

Why on earth would he want to move to the North West of England to a team that has only challenged for their domestic title once in the last 15 years, unless it's going to be for a lot more money. which we can't afford. Only United could even get close to affording what he would want.

It's not about "so called Liverpool fans" saying a player is too big, it's about understanding that this isn't Football Manager where you can just sign whoever you want.


4.) 10 Apr 2017 12:16:33
No player is bigger than the club. 👍🏼.


5.) 10 Apr 2017 13:44:27
Well said Mikey but I'm still working out what someone who orks cows actually does? I'm hoping it's not missing a p in there somewhere.


6.) 10 Apr 2017 13:52:17
How do you ork a cow?

{Ed001's Note - it is obviously a D&D reference....}


7.) 10 Apr 2017 15:32:21
I don't know any cow orkers who support Real Madrid.
I think it's a load of bull.


8.) 10 Apr 2017 23:13:15
You have it all wrong . It's the orkers cow that supports Real Madrid.


 

 

01 Feb 2017 12:49:39
Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone is aware what the plan with Flanagan is?

He was sent on loan, apparently with some sort of weird clause about having to play a certain percentage of games, but hasn't started a game since October.

Does he have a future at Liverpool or is he one more to be added to the scrap heap?

Cheers all

RedDawn

1.) 01 Feb 2017 16:31:19
Doesn't have a future, he's struggled to get any real game time this season, championship is his level


2.) 01 Feb 2017 22:04:26
Championship my arse . he is quality just had injuries/ issues which have massively hindered his progress. out of site out of mind. love to see him back in a red shirt. cracking little player.


3.) 01 Feb 2017 23:51:10
He's just not quality at all, with Klopp's system you need full backs who are suited to playing like wingers in possession and bombing forward at any given moment. He's simply not good enough or suited to a team who has aspirations to be challenging for trophies. If he wasn't a local lad people the majority of people would judge him completely differently.


4.) 02 Feb 2017 01:49:54
It baffles me how many people still rate him, he had a fairly good season in 13/ 14 but his all round game just isn't up to standard, love the guys passion and commitment but we need to take off the red specs. I think he has made 5 appearances at Burnley, just not good enough for a club who have ambitions of being CL regulars.


5.) 02 Feb 2017 03:39:25
Unfortunately injuries have hampered his career but I wouldn't rule out if he comes back into form he could become very useful to a PL club, but suspect unlikely at liverpool as he's primarily defensively minded.

{Ed025's Note - which is just what you need zimbo..


6.) 02 Feb 2017 10:31:05
Still technically a Liverpool player so he gets my support but I do believe he'll be off probably in the summer. Good player but not for us. Championship level? No, would fit right in with a team like stoke.


7.) 02 Feb 2017 11:17:54
He was brilliant 13/ 14 season and has struggled with injuries since, he hasn't been seen for past couple years so how can anyone really judge him. where he's from has nothing to do with it. that's a massive chip on some people's shoulders.


8.) 02 Feb 2017 12:40:12
Quality. Ignore loans. Unless there is a certain clause to buy him you donr build your tem around someone who isn't going to be here next yearm

A loan is usually just to bulk uo the numbers ans cover your first team.


9.) 02 Feb 2017 06:18:31
Fair play but I don't think that's what Klopp has in mind is what I meant.

{Ed025's Note - liverpools biggest problem is the defence zimbo and flanno cant be much worse than whats there at the moment mate..


10.) 03 Feb 2017 13:03:01
Agree with 25 Flanno for me is an improvement on all 3 current fullbacks that we have. It wasn't a 1 off season really where he looked good, even when called into action at 17 he kept Theo Walcott and his pace in his pocket all game, and played well when given opportunities in other games at 17/ 18.
Injuries have hampered him, so he hasn't been able to pla, He's looked good when I;ve watched his appearances at Burnley too, sadly he's only there to fill out their squad and give it depth. He certainly looks better than Lowton when gien chaces.


11.) 03 Feb 2017 13:36:39
Flanno might not be the greatest footballer but what he brings to the table is passion and desire which you won't see from him unless he is wearing a red shirt! He is a true Liverpool fan that will put it on the line for the club and its in the games against the lesser teams that he could be invaluable for us.

Just think back to the game we beat Arsenal 6-1 he had us up and at em from the first minute and was arguably man of the match against one of the best footballing sides in the league. talent only takes you so far on matchday the rest comes down to heart and Flanno has plenty of that. something we havelacked and has cost us games this season. Its a shame that so called fans will slate off one of the only true Liverpool fans at the club.


12.) 03 Feb 2017 13:08:26
Can you see Flanno been given a chance at Liverpool?


13.) 03 Feb 2017 22:44:46
Flanno is too slow both physically and mentally. Gets done by pace snd tricks every time and offers little going forward.


14.) 03 Feb 2017 22:54:10
Slimz great post.


 

 

 

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07 Dec 2017 10:30:54
Is our defence really that bad?

If you discount the two games that we've got an absolute pasting (City and Spurs) we have only conceded 10 goals in 13 other league matches.

That's not a bad record at all.

Added to that we've had 5 clean sheets out of 15 games, also not a bad record.

The games against City and Spurs were anomalies in our season. City we lost a man early on and our heads dropped, Spurs were just on fire and we missed a couple of chances. The final score was irrelevant, merely that fact that we lost.

If we had lost both games 1-0 we would have the 3rd best defensive record in the league.

We all know we need a bit more solidity in Defence but when you look at the stats it shows we aren't that far away from have a very solid team.

To me it shows we need a leader not simply a good defender. A leader would have prevented Sevilla getting 3 goals back, a leader would have locked up our defence after we scored away against Newcastle, a leader could have rallied the team at Burnley and turned a draw into a victory, a leader would've prevented the Watford comeback first game of the season.

Anyway, hopefully a bit of positivity on a Thursday morning hopefully.

Have a great day all.

RedDawn

1.) 07 Dec 2017 10:44:30
I think a lot of people's issues has been first the timing of many of those goals (totally unnecessary, against the run of play when we were in total control) and on several occasions, how shocking easy it has been to score some of them with barely a challenge attempted or the simplest of flicks sending our defenders to the North Pole. But the last 5 games have definitely been a massive improvement.


2.) 07 Dec 2017 11:03:05
Unfortunately we possess defenders who are error prone so at any moment they can be liable to complete lapses which usually cost us goals. That while not ideal you can deal with if it's not weekly.
What has been improved but still not great at all is defending set pieces there is really no excuse for some of the individual and team errors while defending set pieces.

Finally we have a keeper and that's all I'll say there.


3.) 07 Dec 2017 11:06:33
Apologies meant to add re leader I do think that is key as this would hopefully solve some of the set piece problems if you have an organizer. Also when a mistake occurs keeping the team steady for the following 5-10 minutes and re gain a footing which we have also been poor at.


4.) 07 Dec 2017 11:28:00
agree with Shane, replace leader with organizer and i think the OP is spot on.


5.) 07 Dec 2017 12:19:41
good post RedDawn, you can also add the Chelsea game to that list, a bit of a tweak, and we could have beaten a very good top four team .


6.) 07 Dec 2017 14:34:14
I still think a top goal keeper would sort out most of our issues at the back. keeping is not merely shot stopping. It organising and positioning. What a good keeper will do is communicate with his defence to prevent the save needing to be made.
Unfortunately neither of our 2 possess this. it reminds me of the day of calamity James in goals.


7.) 07 Dec 2017 20:48:05
Spot on, Shane and the OP. Redphil, that is the prob, is it not? People keep saying that we need to bring in a top GK. Brilliant, I agree. Who would it be? Courtois, Lloris, Oblak, DDG? Who? These guys are all taken and their clubs won't sell cos they know how hard top GK's are to come by. Would you sell if you were them. Bottom line is that since we can't get a top GK (Hart and Butland are no better than Karius, I'm sorry), you are better off creating your own like the teams who have them now, did when they got them as unproven in the PL.

We have Karius who IMO, the manager believes in, a very talented GK who makes very little mistakes overall and has the skill set the manager wants to play in his system, same with that of Ederson at City. The only thing he lacks is experience and a good defence in front of him to protect him while he learns the ropes. He brings more calm and stability to the defence when he has played this season and has committed one error in the 7 games he's played in overall.

I say, build him up, give him a shot as the starter long term and put in a system to protect him while he finds his feet at this level. Mistakes will happen BUT you have to stick with it cos like it or not, NONE of those top GK's will be coming here anytime soon.


 

 

06 Dec 2017 18:41:21
Coutinho is captain tonight.

RedDawn

1.) 06 Dec 2017 19:06:15
The players who are captaining our team in the absence of Hendo or Milner really does hit home the lack of leadership in the side currently, imo.

Mignolet, who's game is plagued by hesitancy and doubt is third choice captain, and it seems Coutinho, who actively wants to leave the club, and never really struck me as a leader anyway, is fourth choice. So they're the best leaders we have then? I really hope Keita's a natural leader.

And yes, I know The Cannibal captained the team occasionally in his last season whilst wanting to play for Barcelona, but at least there some sliver of sense in that because his unrelenting need to win could drag guys along with him. I don't think Coutinho has that.


2.) 06 Dec 2017 19:20:57
Every player should lead in there own right, not just one person.


3.) 06 Dec 2017 19:30:00
Shocking decision for me.


4.) 06 Dec 2017 20:03:06
Its an armband these days, no more. Shake hands, get a photo taken and decide which end to play first, that's it. The likes of a John Terry or Steve Gerrard were a dying breed, players who rallied the team if things were going tits up.


5.) 06 Dec 2017 20:43:54
I think Klopp just picks the longest serving player on the field to captain when Henderson isn't playing. I'm sure it was mentioned a while ago.


6.) 06 Dec 2017 22:01:25
Coutinho plays a blinder, the team play well and we hammer a decent team. He was their whenever somebody was down injured, he captained the team very well I’d say.


 

 

29 Nov 2017 22:11:38
Salah was getting so much abuse on here at the start of the season about not being able to finish and needing loads of chances to score.

Ed001 in particular as well as other posters kept saying "when it clicks for him he'll be flying"

Well here we are, as far as I'm concerned he's our most important player at the moment and the league's form player.

Long may it continue!

RedDawn

1.) 29 Nov 2017 22:17:23
Europe's form player I say. Who's better than him throughout Europe?


2.) 29 Nov 2017 22:59:01
suarezs finishing was questionalable at first too. Its just something that needs fine tuning again when you move to a new league/ change teams.


3.) 29 Nov 2017 23:10:23
I was not worried when Salah was not scoring as many as the fact that he was getting chances was the most important thing and things would get better w/ time. Now did I think he would be this good? Absolutely not. He is actually much better than many of us thought when he first signed. Credit to him and to Klopp for getting the best out of him cos he makes that front 3 much better than they were last season and they were already awesome.

{Ed0333's Note - To be fair mate I don’t think anyone could have predicted Salah would be such a revelation and hit the ground running this quickly. But can he do it on a freezing cold Wednesday night in the potteries...Oh wait.


4.) 29 Nov 2017 22:59:53
I can remember Ed2 saying he’s a strange choice when we signed him. Not too strange now is he? Long may it continue!

{Ed002's Note - Can you give me a link to that message please.}


5.) 30 Nov 2017 09:07:32
At the time, he was wasting absolutely golden chances and it was costing us points. People were right to be concerned with a player who was dominating the areas that goals tend to come from, but struggling to actually hit the target.

Thankfully, he has answered the concern exceptionally well and everyone is happy. Doesn't invalidate the concern at the time.


 

 

08 Nov 2017 12:26:20
One for Harry if you're around (or anyone else for that matter) .

You say that we have to keep Coutinho at all costs despite him not wanting to play for us. But let me turn it around.

If he was playing for Barcelona at the moment, and had stated publicly that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you advocate spending £100+mill on him? Or would you want to spend that money on someone else?

Cheers in advance.

RedDawn

1.) 08 Nov 2017 12:49:11
We have signed many players who forced their way out from their previous club! I am not going to judge a player based on a 3 mts video interview.
We are not in a position to loose a player of Coutinho’s caliber. The club stood firm in the summer and you lot allauded the club. I know why you feel a bit confident now! Salah is scoring goals and we have looked better. If it was for the other way around you would be pleading th club to keep him regardless of what he say! I am far too immature to ignore his undoubted quality on the pitch. Top scorer for the last two seasons.

I ll keep him until I am very sure on who we bring in as a replacement. Unfortunately I don’t think we would get anyone of his quality in January.

But I think I ll give up. The amount of stick he has taken from posters from last two weeks he deserves to go!

One injury to Salah and I lll see who you look up to! Coutinho is not a fringe player. He only improves the team not the other way around and when you sell a starter you always loose the quality.


2.) 08 Nov 2017 13:11:44
I don't think you got what I meant.

If Coutinho was playing for Barcelona and told Liverpool that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you spend £100+mill on him or would you walk away and say "Ok he doesn't want to play for us, let's buy someone else"

Because that's essentially the position we are in, he doesn't want to play for us and we can get £100+mill for him. So i would rather have £100mill and he be playing for Barcelona than not have £100mill and he be feigning injury for Liverpool.


3.) 08 Nov 2017 13:36:49
I understand what Harry is saying, but I think if you take our front 6 squad (players who can play midfield / up top) without coutinho we are still good on paper. obviously still better with a form coutinho but our players would still compete with most top sides in my opinion.

If sturridge and one of origi / ings/ firmino leave in the next couple windows along with coutinho a quality striker in a similar mold to firmino maybe more of a striker with similar qualities such as Jesus.

My overall point which is simply undeniable that we need to sort out the defence and I think coutinho is the player that wants out, we can recoup a huge sum and we are in a position where arguably we don't need an immediate like for like replacement and we therefore can use the money hopefully to sign the mystical top defender who sorts our problems.

I'm not sure who that player is but I can understand this way of thinking certainly. The argument being coutinho out top defender in would improve the overall capability of the team to get results.


4.) 08 Nov 2017 13:42:37
I Think the time has come to let him go now, it’s clear he isn’t happy still and his performances are not what they were. I’d even go as far as saying let him go in January if the money is right, with or without a replacement. I actually think we are just as dangerous without him and for me the front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino are more important for us right now. We will see Adam Lallana again very soon too and the Ox is putting in some good performances too so we certainly won’t be light on numbers.


5.) 08 Nov 2017 13:49:55
Harry, there comes a time where even world class players become detrimental to their teams. Coutinho this season, has either faked injury, or not played like he is fully committed.

It's a quarter of the way into the season and he has barely kicked a ball for us. He doesn't care. We are sitting on a £100m+ asset, and it is currently dead money.

I'd rather see him sold, and reinvest the money, than just keep him to sit in the stands. Never cut off your nose to spite your face.


6.) 08 Nov 2017 14:36:26
Coutinho is our best player, and has been good when playing this season also. don't know how people can say he plays soo poor, i guess people are just mad cuz he wants to go, so the argument that he isn't playing well is beeing thrown out so it makes it better when we again are selling our best player.

{Ed001's Note - no, it is because he has been poor this season, I think you need to go back and watch him again. The amount of times he wasted possession deep in our half was ridiculous.}


7.) 08 Nov 2017 14:52:49
Salah coming in and how he's performed has made Coutinho look bang average at best this season, he's offered nothing. Stoupid its not about been mad he's going its more mad on how he has behaved since the summer. It really makes me laugh when people say he is our best player, no chance. Mane, Salah AND Firmino are all better then he is. I wish somebody could please tell me what he's done for us this season? Nevermind backing him up, have a valid point to why your backing him up.


8.) 08 Nov 2017 15:09:57
Coutinho should leave the club before he starts affecting the atmosphere of the dressing room. I think Isco or Asensio are the best replacements.


9.) 08 Nov 2017 15:30:20
I can't believe it but I'm agreeing with Harry. We will keep him until next Summer.

I fully expect a huge public push by Barcelona in Jan. It looks like Messi isn't gona sign a new contract and so might leave next Summer so they will be leaking rumours of new signings, talks etc etc wholesale to cover themselves. To be the president/ director of football that loses Messi could lose you your job.


10.) 08 Nov 2017 16:00:46
You only have to watch the spurs game back to see how poor he’s been and to back Ed 001’s comment of loosing the ball deep in his own half!


11.) 08 Nov 2017 16:06:01
Curious ed001, do you think if he leaves that we will be a better team? It’s a strange concept, that a situation like this could cause disruption in the dressing room. Do you think that’s the case? It’s a big distraction IMO, and the sooner it’s gone the better. I’ve been clear on this since summer by the way.

I honestly think we could sneak up and have a really good season (2nd or 3rd, unless Citeh have a huge blip) .

{Ed001's Note - when a player feigns injury to avoid playing and then gets back into the team, it disrupts things. Especially whoever loses their place and his friends are going to be annoyed. If he comes back in and stars, then people will forget it and accept the decision, but when he comes back and is crap then it causes problems. He was the latter, whining, refusing to play simple passes as he just wanted to throw himself to the floor to look for free kicks, turned over possession repeatedly and played for himself. That is never a good thing. If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.

Couts is a disruptive influence. Anyway, any player who feigns injury to avoid playing should be treated with the contempt they deserve. I have far more respect for Mascherano, at least he just went on strike so we knew he was a dick. Couts is trying to pretend it is all the fault of the club, when he is being an arse.}


12.) 08 Nov 2017 16:40:45
Well put Ed001 mate.

{Ed001's Note - thank you C.}


13.) 08 Nov 2017 16:43:29
If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.


Sorry ed but not sure what you mean here?

{Ed001's Note - I thought it was fairly obvious I was saying that if whining, diving and giving away the ball repeatedly were a good thing than Arnautovic would not be at a struggling club.}


14.) 08 Nov 2017 18:07:12
Totally agree Ed, I've been slagged off elsewhere for wanting Coutinho gone asap, especially as he's not the player he once was (probably find it again after his move) but we just need to get a deal that is right for us, so we can use his fee to really help us!


15.) 08 Nov 2017 18:03:59
Ed is completely correct. I was one of those who said steadfastly that Cou should not be sold and it was not until Klopp was done with him and wanted rid then I backed Klopp as he decides. I was thinking he would sulk a little bit and then get his head down and do the job.

Alas, that has not happened and frankly things have gotten worse. Cou was a shambles vs Burnley, playing as if he was on the pitch on his own and only passing to Firmino and no one else. He then came back and scored some good goals and helped us beat LC on the road.

Now, it seems he has completely "mailed it in" (U. S expression for downing tools) to the point of feigning injury. I will no longer defend such shananigans and anyone who does that should be ashamed of themselves. Salah has come in and flat out replaced Cou in our system as he is a more complete player than Cou as he can play anywhere upfront including in the no. 10. He should be sold and this should be done with. end of story.


16.) 08 Nov 2017 19:56:24
Lol I actually get it now ED just needed a comma between was and MARko haha my bad.


17.) 08 Nov 2017 20:04:48
It’s a difficult one. The club stood firm in the Summer and said no, if he’s sold in Jan the owners will be seen as soft. Then there is the issue of what message does that send out to the rest of the squad. If you want to leave, spit your dummy out and throw your toys hard enoigh our of the pram and you’ll get your own way.

On the flip side you have a player that fakes injury in order not to play for the club, then plays for Brazil, again what message does that send out to the rest of the squad? Not good and I’m sure he’lll be playing for Brazil against England!

Like Ed001 said it’s disruptive and as Ed002 said, he doesn’t want to be at the club or play for LFC.


18.) 09 Nov 2017 00:04:50
the thing is that if we do keep Couts till the summer transfer window, then we will have 3 maybe 4 big clubs willing to spend big money to get him,
but till then, what do we do with him, if he is not putting the effort in .


19.) 08 Nov 2017 19:02:39
Ahh right Ed, still don't get the first sentence but your explanation clears everything haha, cheers man.

{Ed001's Note - you were right it was my fault I did miss out a comma, apologies. I was rushing and never checked my grammar. It is difficult to spot things like that when you are using a phone to edit, which is why I don't normally reply much when I am on it. I hate making errors like that, sets my teeth on edge.}


20.) 09 Nov 2017 08:41:50
Nailed it Stoupid! He has only played 4 games so far. Scored 2 and assisted 2 yet he is crap! He wants to go so they want to make him look a crap player!


21.) 09 Nov 2017 10:32:19
Thats just a lie, Suarez wanted to leave and nobody ever suggested to let him go because he is crap, no one is saying coutinho is a crap player, if you really think Coutinho has played anywhere close to his normal level then you're deluding yourself, he has been nothing but selfish and a bad influence, faking injuries and acting like a victim. Spare me the nonsense of him being world class or whatever, he simply isn't for us this season, playing for himself knowing no matter what he does Barcelona will still come for him and that he would still be picked for the Brazil national team. To think Luis Suarez is much more of a professional than Coutinho really really tells it all.


22.) 09 Nov 2017 19:45:30
The fact that Suarez was more of a professional than Cou currently, is a scathing indictment on Cou as a player and those defending him, are a complete disgracing and embarrassing themselves.


 

 

16 Oct 2017 16:54:28
Cracking interview with Andrew Robertson on the BBC Sport site at the moment.

Whilst he might not have been everyone's first choice for a LB signing this summer he certainly seems like he's got his head screwed on and is a decent, honest guy.

A good influence at the club it seems and I really hope he can kick on and prove everyone wrong.

RedDawn

1.) 16 Oct 2017 18:12:34
Would be my first choice left back 100%, judging by the little I've seen.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 18:25:29
Rbbb, he's going to have to beat out Moreno first as he tho not great, has improved and his desire and effort is near unrivaled. This is the big leagues now and if Robbo wanted to play every week, he should have gone to Burnley or stayed at Hull. He has to earn his keep, I'm afraid.


3.) 16 Oct 2017 19:39:10
Good comment that Bingo.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 20:03:31
Good comment but ignores the fact that Robbo outclasses Moreno every time he gets a chance.
Like I said previously, Robbo must just toss it off in training, probably because he realises he's not being dropped because of his performances. Hard to get motivate when you don't get what you deserve.


5.) 16 Oct 2017 21:27:00
True that Ron.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 21:37:36
Why are people not shutting down Ron! He says Klopp is not treating Robertson fairly.


7.) 16 Oct 2017 22:09:26
Harry, Ron is voicing his opinion. I did not voiced an opinion. I posted a fact based on Ed01's answer to this question when it was previously asked. Ed01 mentioned this exact reason I put up, as the reason why Robbo is not playing. If you have a problem with this answer, Ed01 is the one to air your grievance to.


8.) 16 Oct 2017 22:35:29
does anyone else think klopp is a magician just think the likes of grujic Milner ward solanke Robertson seem to have dissapeered they never get any game time. yet the likes of hendo can gini Moreno mignolet are picked virtually every week and I can honesty say not one of them have set the world on fire klopp is so stubborn on his selections. i would love to see ward solanke Robertson given a run of games.


9.) 16 Oct 2017 22:38:39
Bingo, I'm all for competition mate. But people say you can't drop Moreno because of his current form; what does that say to Robertson who has arguably been better than Moreno both times he's played?

I just think Moreno, though I love his desire etc, is far too rash when lunging in to allow us to be safe at the back.


10.) 16 Oct 2017 22:31:08
Just goes to prove that even at that level good competition for places is better than a kick in the arse.

Biggest game of the season so far tomorrow night,

Come on the reds!


11.) 17 Oct 2017 06:18:50
If that was my comment Bingo you would have tore me a new one! Fact!


12.) 17 Oct 2017 08:31:43
RBB, again that is your opinion, one which I and incidentally Klopp disagree with. If you want Robbo to play at all cost, take the LFC manager's job and play him yourself cos it seems that it matters a lot to you. I personally don't care who plays provided they do the job. This is all about opinions and nothing more.


13.) 17 Oct 2017 10:17:59
Moreno wouldn't get a game for any other club in the top half of the premier league. He cannot defend, he doesn't have the aptitude and his crossing/ attacking is no better than average. There must be a non-footballing reason why he keeps getting selected.


14.) 17 Oct 2017 10:45:50
I love these stories. The give an insight to the man and, as Ed001 has frequently said, today's players tend to lack the drive to kick on as they have things handed to them on a plate. Robertson clearly hasn't had that and has had to fight to get to where he is.

Will he be good enough for Liverpool? I don't know, although I agree he has been impressive in his performances to date.

However, I know that it will not be for the want of trying.

His attitude strikes me to be a bit like Kuyt, a grafter. let's hope he has as much, if not more, success.

Definitely a good influence around the dressing room.


15.) 17 Oct 2017 13:08:58
We need to alter our perspective. Too many people wanting triers rather than winners.
Sadly, young Robbo can try all he wants but the fact is he just doesn't have the ability to make a mark on this team.
Pay peanuts, you get .


 

 

 

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29 Sep 2017 14:14:09
That was a joke btw. didn't think i had to qualify that.

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29 Sep 2017 13:31:59
If Klopp does get sacked there's this young Northern Irish managed in Scotland at the moment doing well

Brodgers or something like that.

He might be worth a shout.

RedDawn

{Ed025's Note - i could manage celtic and win that league dawn..


 

 

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26 Sep 2017 13:12:02
I think we need to accept that the vast majority of players want to play at the very highest level and if they are good enough then there will be interest in them from the very best teams.

To avoid such things happening we need to be challenging for honours every year, domestic and european.

It is very rare that the best players will want to leave the best clubs and will generally only happen when there are other situations going on in the background. Costa leaving Chelsea and Neymar leaving Barcelona being two examples.

To get the best players and keep the best players you need to be towards the very top of the pyramid, at the moment we aren't. Hopefully that can change.

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31 Aug 2017 10:59:15
I love rumours like this.

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Are people actually taking this seriously? This was clearly a sarcastic post. jeez.

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03 Dec 2017 16:21:24
Can we assume that the Salah to Madrid rumours have some substance behind them Ed002?

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - Salah seems to be keen enough on the idea to have his agent approach them but Real Madid have two high-profile wide targets. He will also have a contract demand which I suspect Real Madrd would be unwilling to match.}


 

 

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Simao to Liverpool for about 7 seasons in a row.

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He played for Wales I2theM. Which is very worrying as the club have indeed been saying that he is injured.

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21 Nov 2017 13:28:57
I don't care who our best player was last season or the season before. Coutinho has not been our best player this season, by a distance.

A player who doesn't want to be at the club he's playing for will not play at the best of his ability. So why would we keep him when we can get players who want to play for us?

I don't understand this fawning over Coutinho. So he was great for 2 seasons. so what? He's not great at the moment (bar 1 good game vs Soton, after feigning injury) .

Would you pick Sturridge because he scored 24 goals in 13/ 14? No, because he's not the best pick for our team.

If he wants to go let him go, I want players who want to play for Liverpool and will give their all doing it.

Like Ed002 always says, players are just transient employees of the club, they come and go.

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20 Nov 2017 13:11:48
I heard a story about Pulis. I can't vouch for it's accuracy but it came from someone who was involved with the club in question at the time.

Pulis was playing for Newport County in the mid 80s. One week then Bournemouth manager, Harry Redknapp, came down to Newport to watch Pulis himself after getting a recommendation.

It got to about 25 minutes in and Redknapp was not impressed by Pulis at all, he was considering leaving at half time because no one on the County team was anywhere near good enough.

However during the first half a player in Newport County kit came over and sat down not far from Harry. It took him at least 10 minutes before he introduced himself as Tony Pulis. Redknapp turned to him and said "What the f*** are you doing here? I came to watch you"

Turns out Pulis had picked up an injury earlier that day and didn't play. Harry had been looking at the wrong player the whole time.

The two of them chatted for the whole game about football and tactics and got on incredibly well. Pulis was signed for Bournemouth without Harry ever having watched him play.


A nice story, I really hope it's true.

RedDawn