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07 Jun 2017 19:43:33
The only consolation I can see from this is that we haven't spent 100 million on 2 players who were not in our original plan. Now let's start again. Hopefully we can go back in for Mendy and Keita.

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1.) 08 Jun 2017 00:59:47
£100m yes, but both 1st choice targets. Throw in Salah and a RB and I am thrilled. Sell the players who don't have a future with the club and I call that a great transfer window.


 

 

 

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24 Oct 2017 11:35:32
I’d like to know what your opinions are regarding Ben Woodbourne. I know he’s young and had t had a great deal of first team but do you think he’s that talented and has the ability to stay in a top team? What’s your impression?

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1.) 24 Oct 2017 11:44:31
Very talented and Coutinho like in terms of being a playmaker, but also can play on the wings and a natural goal scorer. I suspect his best position long term will be in the Lallana position (ie. attacking mid) . Seems to always be at the heart of a lot of the dangerous moves for the u23’s (and wales) which for his age is impressive.

I think if he continues his trajectory he should be starting more often next season and a first team regular in 2-3yrs, with potential to be something really special if all goes well.


2.) 24 Oct 2017 12:21:35
I agree with what you say SGRed, the problem here is he hasn't signed the new contract given too him.


3.) 24 Oct 2017 12:29:03
I want to see more of him this season but yeah realistically next season will be his time to shine should he stay injury free etc. I definitely think he's one for the future I just hope he gets his chance.


4.) 24 Oct 2017 12:34:16
Bold statement, but i think he'll be better than Coutinho. At 17 Coutinho was nowhere. Woodburn can go as high as he is prepared to fight for. He has to stay focused and never accept the level he is at, but he could be truly special. His long term position is impossible to say with any certainty. He could be a striker, and winger, a second striker, an attacking midfielder, or even a central midfielder. He is good enough to play any of them roles.

The important thing is, we don't rush him into the team and let him think he's made it before he has. We did that to Sterling, he saw £, and the rest is history.

The same goes for Arnold. We finally have two teenagers coming through who are up there with any of the youth products in Europe except Mbappe and Pulisic. So we need to get it right!

Gomez, Solanke and Grujic are all very good players too, although they're imported talent and slightly older. Not got the immense potential of Woodburn and Arnold, but they have the tools to be players at title winning teams.

Knowing Liverpool, we'll mess it up though like we did with Suso and Sterling!

Of those 5, at least 2 need to end up being first team regulars or I'll regard it as a failure, personally. What is the point investing in the youth academy and buying young players to develop, if we can't even get the crème de la crème into the first team?


5.) 24 Oct 2017 13:05:24
at 17 coutino was playong for Inter under rafa bennitez so Mk was coutino was somewhere which to be honest is comparatively better than woodburn being at this Lfc team which has achieved absolutley nothing in the last 5-6 years.


6.) 24 Oct 2017 13:38:02
Woodburn is class but it was gomes not Ben who was shortlisted for the golden boy award along with solanke. A bit of a worry that Woodburn hasn't signed his new contract. He is good enough to start for most Pl teams imo.


7.) 24 Oct 2017 13:46:54
Crazy, you do realise that at that time Inter Milan were in decline? And that Coutinho was actually a reject in the squad who kept getting fobbed off on loan. By 19 he was playing to an okay level on loan at Espanyol, but it still wasn't enough for Inter to want to keep him, despite them being a mid table team by the time we bought him.

His career was going nowhere before Liverpool and Southampton came in for him. You are talking as if he was a regular for them and they were challenging at the top of Serie A. In reality he barely kicked a ball for them and they barely made top 8. And this was at 20 years old. Woodburn isn't even at that age yet and he is regarded as the future of his national team, and has scored his first senior goals for us.

Of course, different players develop at different rates. Coutinho was 20 before he he started getting seriously recognised. For Woodburn that has come 3 years earlier. The difference is Coutinho got his head down and built on his potential, turning it into substance. Woodburn's raw ability will count for nothing if he doesn't do the same. Touch wood he is grounded enough to know you can't take it for granted and hard hard is still required.


8.) 24 Oct 2017 13:56:41
Took the words out of my fingers there MK mate.


9.) 24 Oct 2017 14:04:53
Can woodburn play centre half or in goals because that needs adressing before anything else.


10.) 24 Oct 2017 15:03:28
Thanks for the replies . It’s just a shame to see so many teenagers not getting a chance. Makes you wonder what the point is of having academies.


11.) 24 Oct 2017 15:06:21
When things aren't going well you cznt afford to take chances on youth players. It's a shame but true. When you're flying is the perfect time to give the kids z chance. I really really rate Woodburn. Wasn't there talk of real Madrid interested in Ben? Could that be why he hasn't signed the contract yet.


12.) 24 Oct 2017 15:13:01
So assuming Woodburn is better than Coutinho. Coutinho mature performances came say at 24 yo. Woodburn is 17 and assuming he is better, he will have Coutinhoesque performance at 22yo (y ears faster than Countinho) . That will be another 5 years more? Yawnzzzzzz.


13.) 24 Oct 2017 15:39:15
firstly inter were not in decline, if you consider inter eith Rafa in devline, this Lfc with Kloop is in bigger decline. secondly Coutino played a lot under rafa and after rafa left and inter started to go down the drain he had to move on loan. so still get your facts right. woidburn has immense potential but has done nothing so far to say he would be better than coutino.
this is typical of Lfc fans all our players are world class just beacuse they play for Lfc.


14.) 24 Oct 2017 15:46:27
Didnt Coutinho have to stay at Vasco in Brazil until he turned 18?


15.) 24 Oct 2017 15:50:42
Potential doesn't always work like that brudder. Rossiter looked a stunning prospect, but his potential came to nothing. Who can say why because everyone thought he was the real deal. Then you have Drogba and Walcott. Walcott at 20 looked like a massive talent, whereas nobody had heard of Drogba. By 27 Walcott is finished and Drogba was one of the best strikers in world football.

It isn't that simple and players develop at different rates. I personally am backing/ predicting Woodburn to one day be the better player. He could be 25-27 before it happens, or it could never happen, or he may improve at a Messi-like rate and be world class by 21 years old. It's all predictions mate. There is no black or white, right or wrong etc. I think he'll be a regular by 21 but I'm not a crystal ball 😂

In 2013 the two players i had the most confidence in were Sterling and Suso. Behind them I had a a slightly lesser confidence in Rossiter, Ibe and Smith but i still backed them to make it. The reality is, even if you have 5 great young talents, odds are most of them won't make it. Suso now pulls the strings for AC Milan though, and Sterling is winning matches for Man City. Meanwhile Rossiter is struggling in Scotland, Ibe is only just starting to show minor quality at Bournemouth, and Brad Smith is doing nothing at club level, even if he is doing well internationally. That is why i said i would like 2 out of Woodburn, Arnold, Gomez, Solanke and Grujic to make the grade. If more than 2 make it, fantastic. But past experience tells me it is unreasonable to expect every good young player to make it big.

It doesn't mean we're not allowed to get excited at the prospect of them fulfilling their potential though! 😁.


16.) 24 Oct 2017 16:14:54
Crazy Horse, Inter was in decline all of there players aged terrible and Jose left at perfectly the right time and Rafa came in at the wrong time Morrati had no patience due to them falling behind rapidly they didn't make the right moves in the market and is exactly why they where so behind for the last 8+ years they are really only just recovering, Couthinho move was a mistake in the aspect that it wasn't the correct club to go to to help him devloep but then the move was justified because it got his foot into the Europe played well at Espanyol and got his big move, and yes T-Diggity he was bought by inter at 16 and stayed at Vasco for two years.


17.) 24 Oct 2017 17:03:07
Crazy horse, the irony of you telling people to get their facts straight 😂 You do realise, Rafa left Inter in 2010. Coutinho made his debut late that year. In fact I'm not sure he even played under Rafa, and if he did it was no more than 5-10 games.

Couts stayed at Vasco on loan for 2 years. I have no idea if he had to, or Inter just didn't think he was ready to be honest. He finally joined up with them and made about 10-15 league appearances in his first season. Next year he made about 10, then got packed off to Spain for half a season where he made about 15 appearances for Espanyol and scored 5 goals (his most successful spell until his second season with us), then in his final season at Inter he made about 10 league appearances before we signed him.

He was nothing before we signed him. A dwindling talent who had only ever been trusted by Pochettino on loan at Espanyol. He was not breaking into the team across 5 years on their books and he never looked like he would do so. We turned him into the star he is today.

He signed for Inter in 2008 and left in 2013 having made just 47 appearances in all competitions for them, most of which he was either subbed off, or subbed on.

Stop making this nonsense up that he enjoyed some kind of successful spell under Rafa at 17 years old. He was in Brazil at 17, he barely if ever played under Rafa, and he was never a regular or even seen as one for the future. They thought he was light weight. More fool them.

I'm not going over board with Woodburn, I'm well aware and have repeatedly stated that his potential will come to nothing if he doesn't work hard. I'm quite simply predicting that one day he might score 10-15 goals a season like Coutinho manages to do. If that is going over board then I'm sorry!


 

 

16 Oct 2017 09:40:11
Hi Ed. Thanks for your reviews. Was reading the one on VVD. I can understand your concerns, and was watching him yesterday. Do you think all being said his strengths elsewhere would make it worthwhile taking a chance on him, or would his poor tracking back expose us even more than we are now and make it a more detrimental signing? Cheers in advance.

RazorSharp

{Ed001's Note - I have always been of the opinion that he is a player we should steer well clear of.}


1.) 16 Oct 2017 10:10:46
Klopp like him and nothing else matters. For thee money we will need to throw in, I would have personally signed Koulibaly.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 10:43:42
With you there, Ed. Never really been convinced with VVD as he quite erratic BUT if Klopp wants him, what can one do?

Harry as for Koulibaly, he is a good shout BUT who says he would come or if Napoli is willing to sell? This is a guy Chelsea could not even get, rejecting Conte point blank. Even if we met his release clause or whatever and wanted to come to us, who says that Napoli's owner Lorenzo DeLaurentis, a true headcase in negotiations, would sell? Your hero Rafa knows all about him. You simply cannot get any of his players hence why, clubs don't even bother trying. PSG got Cavani cos Cavani forced his move even after his crazy release clause was met. Maybe Ed01 can shed some light on the fact that we did bid for Khoulibaly and tho a low bid, we did not follow it up. Ed01, can you help with this? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained about the offer for KK already - try the search engine.}


3.) 16 Oct 2017 10:51:30
Klopp may want him Bingo mate but he must have a second or even a third option, or I would hope so? because I really can't see us getting VVD. I think we're wasting our time even trying personally. Especially with interest from the likes of Barcelona and Juve.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 11:07:40
Well every player has a price Bingo! £70 mill or upwards is a magnificent deal for any club let alone Napoli. That is why we need CL at a minimum level for even start a negotiations. If you are willing to meet Southampton’s asking price which could be potentially above £60 mill then we have a decent chance to open up a negotiations for KK.


5.) 16 Oct 2017 12:56:29
Harry, Drawing Southamptom into this is a red herring as they are nothing like Napoli, not as big as Napoli, don't have the same ambitions as Napoli and don't have a head case for an owner. That is the reality and those are the facts, like it or not.

You are correct in general about price and fee and negotiations BUT Naploli's owner is as I said, a head case and they don't need to sell any of their best players cos they have tonnes of cash money and also, they are neck and neck with Juve to win the Serie A. Would you sell if you were him? There is a reason you can't get any of Napoli's players so teams most of the time don't even bother. You can propose to pay the release fee and the guy could still not sell. That is the reality and it is nothing new to anyone who follows Italian football.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 13:37:53
Spot on Bingo.


 

 

28 Sep 2017 14:25:39
As Carlo Ancelotti has been sacked from Munich I'd be interested in your opinion of him as a manager both abroad and in the premier league.

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17 Sep 2017 20:32:48
Whatever you say about Mourinhos sides there are successful. Sometimes they play very attractive football but often they are pretty dour. So my question is, would you be happy Liverpool playing like that if it meant us winning the league?

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1.) 17 Sep 2017 20:52:21
DO you think UTD are going to win the league?


2.) 17 Sep 2017 20:55:41
No you pay the money to be entertained.


3.) 17 Sep 2017 20:56:14
You can still win the league playing attractive football though.
just think of all his teams fans paying so much money to watch proper boring football, regardless of if we win the league or not we at least watch the most entertaining football in England.


4.) 17 Sep 2017 21:03:47
NOPE! Did you watch them last season? They were so dire that Mou had to make stuff up and blame the refs, the PL, Luke Shaw, Rashford, Martial, etc. for his dire showing in the PL and had it not been for them playing Ajax's academy in the EL final, they would be playing Apoel-whatever in the EL right now.

Also, They were exposed at Stoke and Everton played them off the park for large spells and had they had even Origi up top playing next to Roo, they would have won cos Utd was that dire and Everton don't have a striker. It's still early and we shall see whether Mou will start blaming Luke Shaw again when things start getting heated, as he blamed Hughes for telling him to bug off, as the reason he could not beat Stoke. Next question, pls.


5.) 17 Sep 2017 21:03:52
We played quite defencively under rafa and won the european cup and I was over the moon of course. Fans like results but it's much much more enjoyable watching a klopp team in full flight as opposed to a Jose team. I wouldn't like Jose at Liverpool though. Too much ego, from what we see of him, I don't like the guy. There are managers I like, Eddie howe for example even the Swansea guy. Likable, football playing managers. I think they will both have big futures. Especially howe.


6.) 17 Sep 2017 21:06:56
Personally no. I understand those who would, but United today were just terrible to watch. Sport at its most basic is entertainment, and we Liverpool fans are blessed to have had such entertaining football to watch over the years.


7.) 17 Sep 2017 21:13:19
Mourinho always has the knack of going into self destruct mode. It has happened at every club he has managed since leaving Porto.

The season is far from over and yes UTD are looking the part but they are yet to face any of the big guns yet (sorry ED025) and every team will have a dip.


8.) 17 Sep 2017 21:17:41
simple answer i would take 38 boring games to win the prem. waiting for very very long time for Lfc to win prem.


9.) 17 Sep 2017 21:18:46
The mans teams basically play defensive counter attacking football but with top players. Andre Silva at Hull basically. if he couldn't buy the absolute top players he'd get nowhere near a league. Will struggle for top 4 this season.


10.) 17 Sep 2017 21:42:30
Not won the league over 26 years, I would take any kind of formula to win the league! No one remembers how you played, history only remembers winners not even runners up!


11.) 17 Sep 2017 21:37:51
He is just a Tony Pulis or Sean Dyche with a billion pounds to blow on top players. Of course, you will be successful cos talented players are able to implement your vision better. He tried this at Real and tho they won a La Ligand and Copa, he was still getting his arse handed to him by Pep's brilliant Barcelona team in La liga and in the CL and eventually, got the sack. I wonder why?

Same thing against Klopp. Mou has more money to spend YET Klopp's style (on a significantly lower budget) has destroyed Mou over and over again hence why his head to head record vs Mou reads ONE defeat in 7 games (3 wins and 3 draws for Klopp) . I wonder why? They also had the weakest schedule of all the top 7 teams in the PL this season so they are winning the games they are supposed to.

We shall see if they win the PL or if Mou will blame Luke Shaw for all his failures in the PL like he did last season cos we all know that happened when they knew they could no longer catch us on our way to beating them comfortably to the CL places.


12.) 17 Sep 2017 21:55:46
Bingo

A small advice to you my friend? Do not ever come infront of Ed04, if you know the man 😄😄.


13.) 17 Sep 2017 22:18:43
Mourinho at Utd is an accident waiting to happen. The man is a complete cretin and the way his teams play mirror his own personality. Boring, niggly, negative, dishonest, cowardly. The fans will turn on him and he will turn on the players. It's just what he does. The poke in the eye at Real tells you all you need to know about him.


14.) 17 Sep 2017 23:06:09
I think those who say they'd rather play good football and win F-all are lying to yourselves be and are being bitter we're noir winning anything on the regular yet you're happy with that? Yes playing good football and winning things is the ideal but quite frankly at times we aren't doing either.


15.) 18 Sep 2017 00:30:14
Fair enuf johnny B but Mourinho'll play crap football and still win f$#k all.


16.) 18 Sep 2017 01:05:32
Nobody has won anything yet johnbarnes. Or lost anything.


17.) 18 Sep 2017 02:01:04
I think its a different Mourinho now to last season,

Last year he was trying to stamp his authority on the club,

Klopp did it with Sahko.

Mourinho blamed certain players to deflect the poor results from himself in the league while buying time in the cups.

He seems a lot more settled and secure this season, and knows he done way better than the previous managers,
He's probably realised that he is at the last of the giant clubs that will buy him the quality to succeed.

The rule change for the winner of the Europa league to go into the group stages of the champs league was a huge boost to his credibility.


18.) 18 Sep 2017 01:32:13
Haha I read the first line of a post and know it's BingoRed. Literally talks that much rubbish in every post. Every single of of you would take 38 1-0's to win this league. Don't lie to yourself. Your all banging on about the defence after every game, if it's just entertainment your after we're seeing lots of that with your defending. Belittiling a manager who's won the CL with Porto and Inter, won league and Cup titles all over Europe, it's ridiculous.


19.) 18 Sep 2017 06:00:22
I can kind of understand why you think like that Stand-United, but I disagree with you. I have to stay up until very late most times I watch Liverpool. I don't want to see them win 1-0 and play defensively every week for them to win the Premier League at the end of the season. I watch them to be entertained and winning anything is a bonus. The memories I keep are of the results and the way they were played.

I think Mourinho is a very good manager but I do not like his style of play at all. If Liverpool are going to wait so many years for the title and then they win it by winning every match 1-0 I personally am not sure it would have been worth the wait, but I'm sure there will be lots of people who will disagree with that.


20.) 18 Sep 2017 06:25:15
If you are happy with entertainment, Y worry about the defense? Why bother on the results? Regardless of any results we play one of the best attacking Footie.


21.) 18 Sep 2017 07:21:44
So Harry, if you only worry about results then why watch the games, just check the scores? It is the same counter argument. Neither side of the argument needs to be the extreme. For example, i enjoyed the football under Evans more than Rafa or Houllier but i was happy with trophies under the later two.


22.) 18 Sep 2017 10:45:23
I predicted Man United to finish 2nd behind Chelsea again and city to round out the top 3. But on evidence so far, how can people not say that Man Utd are legit title challengers?

They have bought very well. people criticized Lukaku but he scores goals and fits their system perfectly. many liverpool fans got caught up in lazy parochial assessments of Lukaku and totally missed that he is a big, strong and fast body that is essentially a younger version of Ibrahimovic. I can see Lukaku scoring 25+ goals this season.

elsewhere they have shored up their midfield, and we know with Mourinho that they will be solid defensively.


 

 

17 Sep 2017 17:28:39
I thought our Western Union logo on the side of the shirts sleeve looked bad enough but have you seen Everton's? Angry Birds. Well right now they're playing like them 😏.

RazorSharp

1.) 17 Sep 2017 17:50:14
Playing like budgies.


2.) 17 Sep 2017 18:47:01
Razor, I saw that too and it was hilarious.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know abut anrgy bingo, but definitely birds mate..


 

 

 

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Iniestas not a bad player.

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31 Aug 2017 14:15:51
Well let us take Sanchez and they can concentrate on Lemar. It's the least we could do after battering them. Is the reason he's interested in City because they are the only ones who will meet his wage demands?

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Ok guys everyone on the lookout for a blacked out car heading to Spire hospital or towards a non typical plane.

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29 Aug 2017 22:26:03
You don't say.

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29 Aug 2017 14:38:00
I think it's Sparky.

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24 Oct 2017 15:03:28
Thanks for the replies . It’s just a shame to see so many teenagers not getting a chance. Makes you wonder what the point is of having academies.

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31 Aug 2017 22:29:46
Hollander were rubbish.

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31 Aug 2017 20:03:14
Still not convinced about city. I think they are bit like us defensively and their full backs do not add anything except pace.

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31 Aug 2017 19:47:26
At least they tried. I know there were a few (major) hiccups but they did try. My only question would be why not consider another CB. VVD isn't the only one out there.

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31 Aug 2017 15:52:11
I suspect most Liverpool supporters have always wanted to be like SG.

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