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29 Apr 2017 23:55:55
Well done Ryan Kent for earning Barnsley's young player of the year award. I hope it works for him next season but it'll be tough with so much competition at the club.
What's the plan with him ed?

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30 Apr 2017 00:11:51
A lot of people seem upset by Lovren contract. I think he is a decent third option. Maybe that's what Klopp has in mind? Matip/ Van dijk/ Lovren/ Gomez.

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29 Apr 2017 18:57:07
Handing out contracts to the likes of Lovren and stating he's not interested in a new keeper could ultimately cost him his job in the medium to long term, hopefully he knows what he's doing and it doesn't, but these are two very odd decisions.

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29 Apr 2017 22:43:42
Lovren I agree with.
Stating he's not after a goalkeeper and not being after a goalkeeper are 2 very different things.

29 Apr 2017 23:55:58
If the choices are the current keepers or either Pickford or Ruffier I'd rather not waste the money.

29 Apr 2017 18:04:54
I have seen people giving random speculations on how to work with Lovren going forward. I just don't get this. He is incredibly average and juts like Sakho ( who has been a culprit of a defense that shipped 150 goals past three seasons ) Lovren is the bigger deal.

He lacks pace to play a high line. Someone has to explain me how would we over come this issue unless Mr Klopp changes his all out philosophy to a more conservative way of playing?
This also signals the end of any new CB's arriving which is a massive massive failure in my eyes.

Keeping Lovren wouldn't benifit Gomez. Two separate deals and Lovren will end up as a liability to the club on big wages.
And pleas don't tell the club has no money to buy a decent defender this summer!
This is my opinion, Am I a negative supporter for having one?

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29 Apr 2017 19:50:53
UEFA - you have an opinion, good.
Is it negative? In this case - YES.

Anyone familiar with the work of George Graham, Tony Pulis, Roy Hodgson and Sam Allardyce will know that you don't have to sign new players to improve defence. It can be done with organisation and repitition.
New players are the icing on the cake, the final 10% if you like. They can take you from a good defence to a great defence. It's no use bringing new players into a disorganised mess, it will only hamper their settling in.
Klopp and his coaches need to get on the training ground and organise these players into a cohesive defensive unit.
I would like them to spend the entire pre-season organising and repeating defensive situations.

Lovren is not a bad player, he's just making stupid mistakes. This can be ironed out by training and organisation.
Defence is easy - Pulis, Hodgson, Allardyce etc.

{Ed025's Note - i get what you are saying ron and agree in principal...but you cant polish a turd mate.. :)

29 Apr 2017 20:26:43
Ron

I man a firm believer, If we change the system we would concede only half of what we have done tonday. But My dear friend that is not HAPPENING. Lovren need protection infront of him which takes the pace out. Moreover he played in deep defensive system at Southampton. He had two stoppers infront of him.

You are simply living in a hindsight by concluding " this could change in training" which it has not from 3 years.

Do you think both Mignolet and Moreno could be changed in training?

29 Apr 2017 23:09:14
Klopp has not been at the club for 3 years.
Yes, I believe with better training and organisation Moreno can improve.
Goalkeeper is a different matter, it's down to the individual, but of course Mignolet can improve.

There is no point in bringing more players into a disorganised system, it is a waste of money. If you think it's just a case of buying new players then I'm afraid you are deluded.

30 Apr 2017 00:12:55
I think he will bring Karius in next season from the start, Migs will go Ward brought back.

29 Apr 2017 16:58:32
So Sunderland down ay kiddos, what do you find folks reckon to Defoe
I would say that we should try and get a swap deal for origi as its clear for all to see that defoe has much more potential then the divock lad. Also I think that with his physical presence and target man stature defoe could also offer us that plan b unlike dizzy divock origi who is more about pace and skill, lacking in the aerial department.

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29 Apr 2017 18:10:59
Would I be right in taking that as irony/ sarcasm?

29 Apr 2017 12:31:17
I posted a few months back about whether our centre backs were really as bad as they seemed because I think they get over critiqued.

Don't get me wrong, they all have their weaknesses. Lovren with concentration, Matip with fitness/ consistency, Klavan with pace, Gomez with inexperience etc. However my argument back then still stands really and may be part of the reason why Klopp is happy with the 4 he has. Lovren signing a new deal pretty much guarantees we won't be signing a new centre back. All 4 of those centre backs have now signed a new deal or joined the club in the last 12 months.

I know some people are really worried, but in my opinion we should not be shouting doom and gloom. The biggest weaknesses in our team are at left and right backs. We are continually left exposed in wide areas which pulls our centre backs into areas they don't want to be in. Lovren wants to be marking Lukaku in the centre, not trying to tackle Andros Townsend at left back! It is that simple. With the addition of decent full backs our centre backs will be less exposed (hopefully) although I do think Klopp needs to tweak his system here. We need a 'one stay while the other goes' style with our full backs. Clyne and Milner almost make up a front 5 at times. It isn't necessary.

Added to this, our midfield dynamic is very likely to improve and maybe even change. Currently we have a very attacking minded midfield which is fine. With Gini, Lallana, Henderson and Can we have plenty of goals and creativity (17 goals and 19 assists in the league combined) . However Henderson and Can are still learning that sitting role, Lallana and Wijnaldum are relatively new to deeper roles, and next season we may see more of Grujic who is new to the Premier league but could make an impact. It sadly looks likely that both Stewart and Lucas could leave now, so we will probably replace them with another versatile midfielder such as Keita or Obiang. Either way, the midfield will be stronger next season.

Finally though you have the goal keeping situation. That is the biggest area we need to solve. I hope we can solve it through coaching though because I am not convinced we will sign anyone. Klopp seems content that amongst Migs, Karius and Ward he has good enough options for next season. Maybe the competition will inspire one of these 3 to new heights.

So whilst it is easy to blame the centre backs (and ours aren't perfect) it is also too easy to absolve the rest of the team of any blame. I played as a striker and my moto was always that the defence are only as good as the players in front of them. The ball has to come through at least 6 other players before it gets there. I guess ironing out their flaws will be where Klopp earns his money!

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29 Apr 2017 18:02:45
The only way you resolve the keeper situation is by buying a top class keeper, not mediocre players like Pickford or Ruffier. We are still short of a top class centre back, centre midfielder and striker as well as being devoid of any pace when Mane is out.

29 Apr 2017 10:31:25
When we're getting frustrated by teams sitting back that we have no other options.
I'm not talking about a plan b, a la Andy Carroll or benten.
I'm talking the likes of people who can smash the ball in from the half way line in a cup final.

Seems we're woefully missing a long range specialist

So when teams try to sit back we have space further out. When they are worried about closing that then space opens in front

So in my opinion the squad is ok. Just needs someone with a rocket leg?

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29 Apr 2017 12:26:28
Moreno has a good shot.

29 Apr 2017 12:26:24
To be fair Coutinho, Henderson, Can, Firmino, Sturridge and Lallana have all hit some absolute belters in the last few seasons.

29 Apr 2017 18:13:12
Last few seasons is my point. I think if we had someone in the middle 3/ 4/ 5 whichever formation is being used at the time, who can hit the target, regularly from long range then we increase our potency by a great deal. Especially by what seems like the entire league that sits back against us now.

29 Apr 2017 10:23:15
I may be alone on this one, but I don't understand why so many people on here are so outraged by the perceived inadequate support of other random reds fans on here? If you think they're too harsh on players, too quick to bash FSG, too quick to roll out the 'Yanks Out' signs, then who cares?! Don't worry about them!

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29 Apr 2017 10:07:23
I watched the game last Sunday with my sister and brother-in-law, and then remembered the last game we watched together was against Chelsea when Gerrard had his moment.

Guess how many more games I'll be watching with them!

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28 Apr 2017 22:42:10
Remembering how poor Benteke was for us and then watching how easily he scored against us really shows how poor we are defensively, and now one of those CB's gets a new contract. If we are sticking with the same 4 CB's I hope Klopp either starts reading books on how to defend or he eats in a defensive coach. It's great to be the highest goal scorers but we are also about 8th in goals conceded, that's an awful stat.

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28 Apr 2017 23:17:42
Thats it he just needs to eat a defensive coach and then he will gain his knowledge, perfect.

28 Apr 2017 23:50:03
Here's hoping 🤤.

29 Apr 2017 01:21:42
You can´t make that kind of comparisons? We never played to the strength of Benteke, Palace does.

 


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