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27 Feb 2017 23:01:21
This isn't gloating, just to put it out there before I start. This is just constructive opinion from outside.

I can't believe how tactically naive Klopp still is after 18 months in this league. Don't get me wrong he's obviously talented, and when your on it, your brilliant to watch. But time after time he fails to recognise problems during the game and act upon it. Now you can forgive this for a time, but 18 months and he isn't learning his lesson. Going with Lucas tonight, knowing the pace of Vardy, and playing a high line knowing he loves to run off the shoulder of the last defender, was a disaster. And yet he did nothing to change it during the game. It's almost BR again in that it's one way and one way only. No plan B.

I felt this year was the year you had to capitalise to win the league, with the other top sides having new management, plus Liverpool having full weeks between games without European football, then with the early domestic Cup exits. But the leagues long gone. I still think you have every chance of top 4. You have a lot less games to play than us, so hold the aces imo.

If you were to miss out on top 4, I think next season becomes huge for Klopp, as if he were to miss out next season also, then surely he would be gone?

Anyway, you have enough quality up top to make top 4. But Klopp needs to learn to adjust or get left behind again.

Ps, Clyne for me is a big weakness.

Stand-United

1.) 28 Feb 2017 02:16:24
Clyne can run fast . Positive.
Don't have time to list all the negatives but just once it would be nice for a cross of his to beat the first defender.

Firing your manager days before you play Liverpool is also a proven winning formula.


2.) 28 Feb 2017 03:04:48
Fair call Stand United, we were tactively naive against Leicester. Once Hendo was injured we should have dropped another midfielder deep as there was no way Can could control the game on his own and cover the CBs effectively. Compound that with Vardys pace against Lucas and with Leicester having so much to prove we should have been preparing for a massive battle and prioritising defensive solidity over attack. Yet again we lose to a bottom 4 side, and yet again to a side that played smarter with less possession (31%)


3.) 28 Feb 2017 04:47:12
Clyne isn't our biggest problem, but he's a great example of how this team isn't good enough. Decent defensively but mostly mediocre, and sometimes awful, going forward. A real inadequacy down the right hand side.

{Ed001's Note - do you think he is even decent defensively? He is just quick and full of running. He is so poor positionally that he is constantly chasing opponents, rather than being in place to stop runs etc.}


4.) 28 Feb 2017 04:57:53
Yes, some of us have said this since the beginning that it was something to be wary of regarding Klopp. Some where so lost in the hysteria surrounding him that even after his first season people where saying 'I can't believe he's our manager' this just showed the mentality of some supporters, as if people had accepted mediocrity. Not because we finished 8th under Klopp in that season and lost in two cup finals but because people acted as if it is liverpools honour to have Klopp rather than his honour to be coaching this club, it was embarrassing and never went down well with me, and you still have some posters and some 'respected' people on this site still making the same excuses. This is a shared responsibility, and it definitely isn't only the players execution that's the problem. You don't lose to the teams we have lost to and say that it's all down to the players, there's something more than that. There is a stubbornness in preparing us and not studying the opposition. The very best managers are able to prepare for their oppnonents, and that means playing different ways sometimes. We play one way and if it works it works to great affect, if it doesn't we are doomed from the off and Klopp does very little to change it. Klopp suffers from similar problems to rogers even though they have different style of play. Klopp has shown he does try to change things at times and it has worked on occasion but rarely ever happens during a game. Everyone seemed to forget that during klopps last season at Dortmund, they where in and around the relegation zone around mid season, Klopp seems to have a habit of going on dreadful runs and not knowing how to fix it until it eventually fixes itself. We had a mini version of what we are going through now last season around the same time. I trust Klopp to get it right but I think it has the potential to go southward just as easily as it goes upwards, and that's a major concern going forward. I said before Klopp arrived that I preferred someone else we where in for at the time who may or may not have been a viable option but certainly would have been better for the short term and I stand by that. I always said Klopp would be more long term and I also stated I didn't think we would win the league with him, but we would win trophies and achieve top 4 status. I think these where very realistic assumptions, and I hope to god I'm wrong in terms of not winning a league.

Please don't take this as negativity, I remain fully behind Klopp and the team. Even if we don't achieve top 4 I would still stick with Klopp, even though that would be a failure. The penny will drop for me if the right sort of players aren't bought in the summer, I think that will be telling. Until then we will just have to continue fighting for top 4 and get lucky as it's out of our hands now.

{Ed001's Note - so one season out of 14 in Klopp's career is evidence that he doesn't know how to fix a bad run? How on earth do you get that from that ONE season? Nothing about his career has suggested any such thing.}


5.) 28 Feb 2017 10:18:01
Thing is, in that one season, Klopp actually fixed it and Dortmund ended the season very well.

{Ed002's Note - He won with Dortmund - years and years ago. Great job.}


6.) 28 Feb 2017 12:56:53
Just like Dier and Davies against Mane had a clear outcome, Lucas vs Vardy has only one outcome. Klopp has been technically average all his career. Lost two cup finals in a very similar fashion. Dreadful midfield and terrible defense.


7.) 28 Feb 2017 18:38:42
I wouldn't have to mention that season if similar things hadn't repeated themselves ed01. There is clearly something wrong when you go on a run as bad as what we are going on now and what Dortmund had in their last season. Just look at dortmunds squad that season and tell me they should have been down near the bottom even with their problems with injuries, what are you going to do blame it on the players here as well. That same stick was used to beat mourinho with but he has done a half decent job of building utd up after a dreadful start having won one competition and has a chance of winning another 2 and finishing in the top 4. And like Klopp last season this is mourinho first season, so he will get a bye for his dreadful start. Obviously the situations are somewhat different because mourinho has much more resources and had that at Chelsea also, but the reason the players stopped playing for him at Chelsea is because he's a c*** not because he's got problems with his game management. Klopp on the other hand does and there's no way of sugar coating it. We have had every excuse since this dreadful run and we had similar excuses last season and they all turned out to be excuses. The buck sits with the players but also with Klopp. If it was a one off I wouldn't even mention it, but it's happened more than once now so it's a factor in assessing Klopp. With Klopp you don't know what to expect, it can either go tits up or miracles can happen and after rogers I didn't think that's what we needed. Either way he's here and I'm glad he's our manager but I wasn't one that brown nosed him and I was always going to call out the insufficiencies of Klopp and the players. Be half glass full if you want but I'm tired of that mentality.

{Ed001's Note - did you look where Dortmund finished the season? And I have discussed this to death when Klopp joined, there were a hundred factors involved, including the players losing focus after so many sales of players. No club continues to compete indefinitely when it continually sells its best players to its rivals. It was a miracle they managed to stay competitive at all. Have you looked where they are now under Tuchel? Klopp clearly sorted out the players and got things going before that season ended. The difference being the fans got behind him over the players, he had their full and complete backing, unlike at Liverpool where the morons are out in force with their ridiculous idiotic thoughts that we are entitled to win everything.}


 

 

16 Oct 2016 19:16:11
Well, big game tomorrow and as usual, it's my favourite game of the season and somehow also my worst. It's once fixture I genuinly feel sick prior too, and the one game you don't want to lose. If we were 6 months down the line I think I'd be a lot more confident of a result than I am. But as it is, you have a settled side, with a manager who's been in charge for a year now and has had last season to get your team playing they way he wants. Jose on the other hand has still not found his best 11 yet imo, injuries haven't helped, and players are still settling in to a new way with Jose. I don't think we'll see a proper Jose team into after Christmas.

I see a lot of optimism on here, and your rightly favourites for this match. Yet I think some posters expecting an easy 3-0 or 4-0 win could easily come unstuck. We may not have played well so far this season, yet we do have 7 wins from 11 games under Jose, hardly shoddy. Rooney is the main problem and it seems he's finally been dropped for the good of the side.

I expect you to have more of the ball that us tomorrow and at home be on the front foot. But if we can keep you at bay, I think we have the individuals to cause you problems. Zlatan will be a danger from set pieces, and with the pace of Rashford and Martial we have decent outlets to counter. Pogba is still settling in but he's is a match winner, Mata can cause problems and if fit Mikhitarian could be useful off the bench. When he get a run of games injury free will be a top player for us.

So it's a hard game to call, I just have a gut feeling it's too soon for us in Jose' reign and you'll beat us maybe 2-1.

I did see some posters declaring Jose is finished as a top manager. This is a manager who has won league titles and European titles with multiple clubs. A manager who won the premier league just 18 months ago. Klopp hasn't won a trophy in 3/ 4 years, so what makes Jose finished as a top manager? I think people who believe this are kidding themselves, and I expect him to take us back to the top in the near future. Anyway, hoping we cause an upset tomorrow. Good luck.

Stand-United

1.) 16 Oct 2016 20:04:00
I love this post. First you pull a Jose and make proactive excuses; "you have a settled side". Which is laughable considering we made more changes in the summer than you and this is our managers first full season also. Maybe slightly more settled, but certainly not settled!

Then you cap your post off with a claim that a United win would be an upset. So you are admitting that we are now the better side, so much so you consider yourselves under dogs.

How the mighty have fallen ;)

I jest of course, a very humble and honest post mate. I don't think United or Jose are finished, but I don't think either will be successful until they part company. Mourinho needs to take a long holiday, and United need a Klopp/ Pochettino/ Pep. Somebody to come in with a long term commitment and plan to building an identity. You are suffering still from losing Fergie and as was seen when we lost Dalglish in the 90's, it can take years to recover from the hangover you get at the end of such an iconic era.

However that does not mean United will be a bad side in the mean time (Liverpool have won cup trebles and the Champions league in a so called baron spell) and as you predicted, I also believe it will be tighter than anticipated. I do believe you will score, but I think we will get 2 or 3. I will say 3-1 with Firmino, Coutinho and Ibrahimovic getting the goals.


2.) 16 Oct 2016 20:06:52
Good post. What's your view on the ref from Manchester.

I think your correct on it being to soon for Jose, I think it will be 3-2 to lfc.

Thanks for the post stand.


3.) 16 Oct 2016 20:07:57
A great post mate, good to see a decent post by a Man U supporter, your manager is no where near finished and is still if I'm honest one of the best managers in the world, to think people are saying 3 or 4 nil win I can't see happening, I think Mour would take a draw, I think we will win by a single goal like you said 2-1 or 1-0,well I hope so anyway mate as I'm the only one in my family that supports Liverpool, the rest are Man U supporters and I'll tell you this their worried about this game saying that it's come to early for them.


4.) 16 Oct 2016 20:26:18
Fair post mate.


5.) 16 Oct 2016 20:49:15
Your 3 point above us in the league, at home, in better form than us and the bookies have you as favourites for this game, I can't argue with that. Regardless of tomorrow's outcome I still believe wel be a force again in the near future once Jose settles down and finds his best 11.


6.) 16 Oct 2016 21:24:52
Stand-United,
Tomorrows game could go in any direction, 6-0, 6-5, 5-6, but I do believe IF we come out of the traps we could destroy Utd before half time.
On Jose, I have predicted to my Utd buddies since Fergie left that he would come Utd but it will be like the coming of the anti-christ and he will destroy the club.
Next season we will be back on the perch. :D.


7.) 16 Oct 2016 21:47:00
Liverpool has to beat UTD tomorrow. Absolutely no excuses.


8.) 16 Oct 2016 21:58:42
Imo I think the result will rely heavily on United! What United is going to show up? The 4-1 thrashing of Leicester or the 1-1 at home to stoke. But also how United play, Jose seems to like his players sitting back organised in big games, but that could just be with United as he's still fairly unfirmliar with his best 11, players strengths, teams quality etc. As with Chelsea last season they came and had a good go at us in the first half. I don't wanna seem overly confident but I only see two outcomes; a close contested game where United show up and play a good game but we just edge the result, or where United sit back and invite us on and once that first goal goes in they'll slowly fall apart.


9.) 16 Oct 2016 22:34:45
@Midge

Everyone beats LCFC so you can discount that :)


10.) 16 Oct 2016 23:07:42
The OP makes some valid points. Having watched the past couple of games at home where we either outplayed Utd and lost or we made mistakes and they took advantage and won without being that good, I don't believe in us giving them any type of hiding, except you call 2-1 a hiding which it isn't. Mou knows how to win or not lose games like this and frankly, I believe he will sit back and play on the counter as he is too paranoid to open up and play our type of game because he will lose as he's lost to Klopp almost every time. It is up to us in the end because we are at home and I don't believe we will hold them scoreless. However, if we keep a clean sheet, WE WILL WIN THE GAME. That, you can be sure of.


11.) 16 Oct 2016 23:09:13
That's true polecat, but they did score 3 from corners which should worry us;)


12.) 16 Oct 2016 23:11:04
There is almost too much confidence coming from our camp.

It's United.
It's Mourinho.
It's not going to be easy.


13.) 17 Oct 2016 01:14:26
Mourinho who's that again? the games ours, watch.


14.) 17 Oct 2016 08:43:39
A balanced post, Stand United. Eagerly anticipating this game, because it is just too close. This is a game which we could dominate territorially and possession wise and still not get 3 points.
As for Mourinho, he's by no means finished, however I do wonder if he'll try and modify his style of management. I think that the 'Us and them' mentality he seems to try and create is not sustainable over a long period, and is one reason for the high turnover of posts he's had. I get the feeling he wants to be at Utd for the long haul.


15.) 18 Oct 2016 11:27:35
I personally think Jose could be finished as a top level manager at least until he takes a step back and looks at the way he conducts himself. You can't compare the last 4-5 years between him and Klopp as Jose has always been at teams where he is expected to win the league and has always been given the finance to do so. Klopp is more of a builder and his teams take longer but have more longevity. Personally I believe that the players don't respond to Jose anymore as he's lost some confidence after Real Madrid and then Chelsea. Last season he almost became a joke figure with some of his ridiculous outbursts and the players turned on him. With the type of character he is I think that will take some coming back from.


 

 

20 Sep 2016 17:44:59
United fan in peace. I visit regularly and post from time to time as some may notice.

So anyway, I was wondering what's people thought now on where United and yourselves will finish this season. Appreciate its early days, but the reason I ask is, after a couple of games when we played fairly well and recorded 3 straight wins, and you had just been beaten at Burnley, there was a lot of posters on here saying United would push city, and that yourselves would be lucky to finish 6th. 2 games later and I see a lot of people believing you will be champions. Funny how much can change in a week isn't it?

I personally think you will challenge, and without the disruption of a management change this summer, plus no midweek European football, I think you really should be challenging at the very least. However I still feel city have a superior squad and will win the league comfortably. How many team can be missing aguero and still bang in 4 goals in consecutive games?

As for United, I think we have a good squad, in fact the best squad we've had in a long time. But with yet another managerial change, new players, etc I think it will be after Christmas before we see a good solid side, and that's why I don't believe we're in the title race. We have imo, the best keeper in the world, very good fullbacks, Bailly looks a great prospect, but we need a partner for him, plenty of potential in Pogba, Mikhatarian, Hererra, Rashford, Martial, Ibra etc, I feel with so much quality it's a question of when not if it clicks. Rooney has held us back for 2/ 3 years now and it's time to move on from him.

If I was picking a side from both squads I'd probably have fairly even numbers in the 11 I imagine.

Anyway, I was just wondering what people's views on where we both finish this season and if you think you will win the league?

Eds feel free to air your opinions

Thanks.

Stand-United

1.) 20 Sep 2016 18:36:53
Your squad doesn't look balanced, doesn't look like a team at all, just a load of individuals thrown together, good ones yes but they are not playing anywhere near to thier potential. mourinho needs to get them playing as a unit to get the most of them or he will be lucky to get top 4 in my opinion. He also needs to drop Rooney until he can get fit again or sell him, he's taking up a space.

We might not have the world class individuals like you but we seem to be playing as a team, almost the opposite to yourselves.

Still too early to judge, United have the players to win the league if you can sort out your issues quickly, Liverpool need to show consistency, can't really tell if we have yet or not, if we do manage to beat the lower half teams more regulary then we could challenge as well.
I wouldn't be gifting man city the league yet either.


2.) 20 Sep 2016 18:45:30
You have Mourinho. You won't play pretty football that's for sure but you will grind out those vital wins. Imo United will prob come 3rd or 4th.


3.) 20 Sep 2016 18:48:20
I expect us to challenge if karius is an improvement over mignolet and james milner is fit for the majority of the season. He's turned into a much needed solid left back. It really depends on injuries to much needed and key players. Henderson especially as I've mentioneda numerous times his importance to midfield defensively.
On united I expect mourinho to get the results. Zlatlan was a great buy. If he drops rooney and gets them playing decently they have the players to do damage. De gea imo guarentees top 4 so its how united perform consistanly and keeping ztlatlan fit as to were they finish.
I think city will win it. Top defenders there and some magnificent players going forward.
Liverpool in my mind to finish 3rd. Weaknesses will get exposed too often. Heart says we will win it.


4.) 20 Sep 2016 18:50:46
Forgot to add. If Mourinho was allowed to put out the team he wanted, then you would probably challenge. Unfortunately he has to play politics and not upset the team ethos considering Rooney is a big influence. If he can find a way to drop Rooney asap then you could challenge, but it might be a bit to late if he is still shoehorning Rooney into the side post-christmas.


5.) 20 Sep 2016 18:53:04
You lot will be lucky to finish top half after the meltdown.


6.) 20 Sep 2016 19:25:43
I agree with mikey, you need a settled team playing as a unit. Brilliant almost embarrassingly good squad of individuals to pick from, but with that comes it's own problems. Rest assured you will be challenging, but for top 4 I think, not the title this year. Liverpool will be too 4. 😉.


7.) 20 Sep 2016 19:26:32
IMO mouriniho will not get the best out of this team and will not last at United. And I said this before the season started. Even before Fergie United play fast fluid football with wingers and like to entertain. JM will never entertain and seems to have lost his charm that made him so likeable to media, fans and his players. Maybe it's just old now. But he will never be loved like he was at Chelsea that first spell. I think u may well scrape 4th just because Everton, Chelsea and Spurs are going to have off spells and you guys still grind out results better than most. I think if we start to kill teams off starting at hull we won't challenge because city will be outta sight but we'll get 3rd. Gunners 2nd.


8.) 20 Sep 2016 19:33:38
realistically i believe liverpool will finnish 2nd or 3rd and united 3,4 or 5th.


9.) 20 Sep 2016 19:42:36
Hard to say really, much as I don't want you to think 2nd or third. Alternatively mourinho could have a melt down and go mid table.

Have some great individual players but as another poster said a very unbalanced squad. Top keeper but Bailey looks to be your only good CB, fullbacks are good compared to the rest of the league, pogba is a great midfielder and zlatan is a proven scorer. Just need mourinho to find a way to make it work. Also depends on Rooney, as think he needs to be dropped.

Personally think mkhitaryan rashford and martial should play behind zlatan to try speed up play with pogba and schnerderlin in midfield.


10.) 20 Sep 2016 22:44:37
Cheers for the replies. Seems we're almost all in agreeance we have a good squad. But needs tweaking to say the least.

Well done Mattaldinho. There always one village idiot with a crap response to genuine posts. Why not out your money where your mouth is. I'll bet you ten grand we finish top half?


11.) 21 Sep 2016 02:12:59
I agree with most of the above - United have a good squad of players but understandably lack cohesion with a new manager. I said before the start of season liverpool will benefit from having had Klopp on ground for extra 6 months while Utd, City (wrong there! ), Chelsea etc. may struggle at first, so I still think top 4 will be City, Liverpool then a scrap between Arsenal, Utd an Chelsea.

I also agree Mou should play Carrick or Schneiderlin at DM with Pogba and Mkhitaryan in the middle. A front line of Ibra, Martial and Rashford with maybe Antonio. Still looks like you miss true wingers though and should have bought someone like Mane. No way Fellaini should be near a Utd squad and Rooney is not good enough for midfield IMO and not a wide player either. We had same problem with Gerard coming to end of his career, but time to move on.

P. s. One risk I do also see is if Mou implodes again. He's a great coach but clearly when things are tough he doesn't handle it well and blames everyone else making things toxic. I thought Chelsea was a once-off, and I also think Utd has stronger characters in the dressing room, but not so sure after recent headlines. Needs to turn things around quickly after recent losses or Utd could miss top 4.


12.) 21 Sep 2016 08:23:38
I always think we'll win the league so no point in elaborating there 🙂.

As for Man Utd. You do have some good players, I'm not convinced you know how to integrate them all in to a cohesive team. It won't be this season. I think you'll finish 5th behind ourselves, City, Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea - 6th.
You have a great keeper, a decent midfield and some exciting pacey strikers, the problem is in defence and as I said integrating these players into a team.
Jose will probably survive 1 bad season but he'll need to get it right next season.


13.) 21 Sep 2016 08:47:43
A lot depends on how Mourinho deals with things this season, tactically he should be good enough to ensure top 4 but football is constantly changing and I think the biggest challenge now is to see if he can adapt his man-management to motivate the team. The public slating of players and blaming everyone else when things go wrong is something I think is turning off players against him and causing disharmony in general. It will be interesting to see how he deals with a poor run of form, and is he willing to make the big calls like dropping Rooney if it is for the good of the team. For me, he just doesn't seem to fit the club in his style of play or management.

For ourselves I honestly think we will be top 4, the biggest challenge is can we grind out the wins against the so-called smaller teams, if we can then I can honestly see us winning the league though Man City will be favourites, if we don't I still think with our attacking talent that we will be top 4 especially if our main focus is the league and not the cups. Much will also depend on how we are defensively. It will definitely help that Klopp has more time to work with the squad with no europe it should help.

Head says Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd. Then again I prefer listening to the heart, which says we are guaranteed to romp it with a record number of goals :)


 

 

31 Jul 2016 13:33:02
Right lads, I'm interested to know where you think your at now klopps put his own stamp on your squad. So, my question is, where do you think with the signings you have made, aswell as United, Cheslea, city etc, you will finish this season? I actually think you have a decent squad. I'm going to say 3rd or 4th for you. I think City and Cheslea will be top 2.hoenst answers lads don't let your heart rule your head. Anyone think you can win the league this year?

Stand-United

1.) 31 Jul 2016 14:05:07
hmmm, the 64 million dollar question. i reckon we have a chance at top 4, i'm quietly confident. City will be right up at the top, Man u remain an enigma but I've little doubt that they will be there or there abouts this year. So.

1st City
2nd united
3rd Chelsea
4th Arsenal/ Tottenham/ Liverpool.


2.) 31 Jul 2016 14:16:52
Lots of changes in the squad, looks good on paper but depends on if Klopp can get them playing as a team quickly. Depends on injurys as well, Karius is a blow, means we start the season with the same problems at the back that have dogged us since migs arrived. To win the league I think a good solid start is a must for us, I worry with migs in goal.


3.) 31 Jul 2016 14:17:06
To be honest, am not to optimistic as lb still a big worry and also need to be better at breaking bus park day rides down. Hope am way wrong .


4.) 31 Jul 2016 14:18:28
my honest answer to that question is I think we can finish 4th, sadly I don't see us winning the title ( would love to be wrong about that though) where do you see utd finishing stand while we are playing nice?


5.) 31 Jul 2016 14:21:28
I see us challenging if we can get away with mignolet for 2 months and get a quality left back in. There is no excuses not to challenge in my eyes. Klopp got the players he wanted.


6.) 31 Jul 2016 14:25:27
City arsenal united Tottenham Chelsea Liverpool/ west ham (toss up there) with stoke/ Southampton not far behind. I'd like to say we're going to win the league or we're going to make 4th. But we're still a year or two off of that.


7.) 31 Jul 2016 14:42:07
I think City will win the league by a long way, and the rest of the top 4 will be us, Arsenal and United in no particular order. I think Spurs will be the next closest with Chelsea having another poor season. Personally I think Conte's overrated.


8.) 31 Jul 2016 14:38:09
We've got just as good of a chance of winning the league as any. We are deep at EVERY position except left back, and I think the manager is planning to use Milner there which I'm not too worried about honestly. That teenager Arnold has also impressed. To have backup strikers like Ings and origi is a real luxury.


9.) 31 Jul 2016 14:59:37
I don't think pep will do that we'll tbh. I think united will be solid. may even win the league. I am not sure about us but I think a lot hinges on the start we make as we have some real tough games early on. Karius is a major major blow. I think we definitely need that lb in ASAP. I'm not going to predict other teams but I hope we get top 4 and it's a good chance to do it. with new managers etc.


10.) 31 Jul 2016 15:02:13
I probably see us finishing 3rd or 4th to be honest. I think Mourinho will have us more organised than the last few years, and despite a couple of good signings I think our real weapons are a few of the kids. I think Rashford will go on to become a brilliant player, also have high hopes for Fosu mensah. If and its a big if, Pogba comes in, I think a midfield pairing of Pogba and Fosu mensah could be brilliant in a year or two. Bailly has good potential. Shaws like a new signing. I'd still like a top CB and another cm tho. De Gea staying is huge. Best in the world for me. So yeh, I'll say United 3/ 4. City 1st, Cheslea 2nd, Arsenal 5th.


11.) 31 Jul 2016 15:08:49
Leicester proved it's not about having big names in your team think luck and avoiding injuries is key I'd hope we challenge for title I think not being in Europe could be a blessing.


12.) 31 Jul 2016 15:09:11
Top 4 will be a huge ask without a LB and Mignolet until November. But we have as much chance as City Utd and Spurs. Chelsea I think will struggle to return to top 4 immediately.
Arsenal are always in amongst it and add one surprise, West Ham or a promoted side might gate crash.

My guess will be 5th, but a huge improvement from last season and enough to look like the following 17/ 18 season we could be genuine title contenders.

I'd like to think we'll win a cup, FA hopefully.

Saying that, in my heart I think we'll win the title but I know above is more realistic.


13.) 31 Jul 2016 15:12:55
I think we will be in the thick of it for 4th most of the season and fade to 6th by the end.


14.) 31 Jul 2016 15:13:14
I think sadly it will be the two Manchesters 1-2. Really hard to predict the rest. For us to finish top 4 and definitely top 2 a lot of things have to be put in place and integrate amazingly well. Not sure we are there yet but i hope i am wrong. A key will be to keep because (Couts, Origi Studge) fit and massivly improve our defense.


15.) 31 Jul 2016 15:27:52
Without geting injurys I could see us up there . Are attacking options is up there with the the Manchester clubs . But it could all change if wenger buys a top class st.


16.) 31 Jul 2016 15:29:22
Fano, if we have to integrate, the 2 mancs will have to integrate more.


17.) 31 Jul 2016 15:39:10
The funny thing is, I feel most of the top 6-8 will actually be competing for a top 4 position. The league is scary with this amount of competition, so most of them will be looking at top 4 as a "win".
And the battle for the league will come later on, I think.
And top 4, is anyones pick, to be honest.
Nothing is stopping Leicester from competing for top 4. As much as most think it was luck with no injuries, they still played a great season.
The old top 4, is still competing, Chelseas had a bad start last season, but I feel that was something more than just a bad run.
So for top 4 it could be anyone from Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Leicester. Then add Southhampton and Stoke into the mix, and its going to be one tough, but exciting season.


18.) 31 Jul 2016 15:42:28
Top 6 at best, Being a believer and realistic. Too many If's and But's will haunt us through out. Nothing to do with the manager or players. The teams above us will have supreme quality on the pitch.


19.) 31 Jul 2016 15:43:06
Lots of people seem to think City have this one wrapped up but i think it's going to be a big ask for Pep, veeery different league from the ones he has managed in so far. Harder opposition week in week out and his team is not as good. I think he will need some time.

I'm going into this season with no expectations whatsoever. The top positions are going to be a complete free for all between the classic big 4 plus city, tottenham and leicester. Anyone could finish anywhere.


20.) 31 Jul 2016 15:48:28
Of course we can win the league, only a doubter would think otherwise. We all play 38 games and we all start at 0 points.
I think we definitely will win the league, I don't care where any other team finishes, I'd be happy if it were Burnley, Boro and Hull 2,3 and 4. 😎.


21.) 31 Jul 2016 15:56:03
I really don't think Chelsea will be up to much this season. They'll do better than last, but I think they'll struggle against the top teams, the season after I think we'll see Chelsea come back to life though.

I'm going to go against the grain and say Arsenal will win it this year, as they have the least amount of adjusting to do.

Arsenal
City
Liverpool
United.


22.) 31 Jul 2016 16:10:56
Honestly, i think pep will flop. City to finish outside 5/ 6th.


23.) 31 Jul 2016 16:38:40
I think we will finish 4th at best and, if we continue to ignore/ mismanage (sending Flanno on loan an example) the problems we have at the back *cough* full-backs *cough* then probably EL places. The squad is huge and we have made a number of bizarre transfers as well as some good ones. Most fans were in general consensus last season: GK and LB are the two area's of most pressing need. The GK we bought is injured meaning we still have our previous, poor GK to look forward to and so far have failed to strengthen in the weakest area by far in our team. We lingered and refused to pay extra for our first choice and is unsure who we will end up signing. We seem to be making similar mistakes in the transfers and it is a worry - attacking wise we are as good as most teams in the league, defensively we are miles behind.


24.) 31 Jul 2016 16:49:43
I am surprised people are not more worried herr, or in the case of the original poster hopefol about United chances. I hate to say it but they are the only team who I just don't see finish lower than 2. Mourinhu, Zlaten and I don't care how old he is, few other good signings, De Gea in goal. At the moment I can see only a brilliant City as a team who may finish above them. Again, I hope I am wring.


25.) 31 Jul 2016 17:26:10
😄😄 Blinded by the transfer window.
Zlatan has been "playing" in France. It is chalk and cheese comparing it to the premier league. He is in for a BIG shock.
Jose, well we've all worked him out, we know his M. O. and he was ruthlessly exposed at Chelsea last season.
He has never beaten Klopp.

Don't worry about Man Utd, they are no threat to us. 😎.


26.) 31 Jul 2016 17:27:40
Hi ed's

we neeed a poll/ post where we can say where we will finish and then look back at the end of the season.

We want ed's to also take punt and we all will see how we do.

what say guys?

{Ed002's Note - 5th.}


27.) 31 Jul 2016 17:46:22
Big Al, no excuse not to challenge?

We weren't good enough last season and the new players take time to gel.

Do you expect miracles?


28.) 31 Jul 2016 17:47:55
Mignolet must have a voodoo doll of any keeper that takes his place. The last time he was dropped i think it was jones got injured after about two and a half games. 😤.


29.) 31 Jul 2016 17:49:51
I think man u depends on how all the players take to mourinho and his methods it always seems to be all or nothing with him (hopefully nothing this season from our point)

City depend on aguero at this minute because if he got a long term injury early in the season I'd genuinely rule them out he makes such a difference to that team.

Chelsea I can see making progress but wouldn't personally put them in the top 4 this year could see them drawing a lot of games.

Arsenal will be there somewhere just on history more than anything

Tottenham and Leicester depends on how they cope with Europe.

Personally wouldn't rule out west ham/ everton for the top 4

Liverpool as usual there's a lot of ifs. if origi continues to flourish and we don't get crippled with injuries and we don't lose a coutinho or firmino in the windows then there isn't a limit on where we can finish. I am cautiously optimistic and would say 2/ 3 place finish!


30.) 31 Jul 2016 17:50:01
Man city
Liverpool
Tottenham
Chelsea.


31.) 31 Jul 2016 17:51:20
Honestly think unless performances become more consistent Liverpool will be 6-8th.


32.) 31 Jul 2016 17:52:02
I'd say we end up 6th, but just a handful of points off 4th.


33.) 31 Jul 2016 18:16:56
Definitely top 4 for me, and we could even win the title. Why not? I clearly remember 2013/ 2014. We weren't spectacular in defense. We weren't spectacular in midfield. And in attack we had Suarez and Sturridge that provided the wave that dragged the whole team forward by simply scoring more goals than we let in, in enough games. With the strikers we have now (Sturridge, Origi, Ings) and the attacking midfielders (Coutinho, Firmino, Mane and Wijnaldum) we have enough firepower to create and ride a wave. Doesn't have to be just one player knocking in the goals. This is over simplified of course, but it's basically all that we need. I also see the team losing it's "inconsistency" factor because it clearly angers Klopp and he's not going to allow it to continue. The 3 main title contenders (ManU, ManC and Chelsea) have new managers, two of which are managing for the first time in this league (Guardiola and Conte) and one manager who is capable of both briliance and disaster (Mourinho) . So the path for these 3 is not going to be easy. We can definitely win the title!


34.) 31 Jul 2016 18:16:56
Definitely top 4 for me, and we could even win the title. Why not? I clearly remember 2013/ 2014. We weren't spectacular in defense. We weren't spectacular in midfield. And in attack we had Suarez and Sturridge that provided the wave that dragged the whole team forward by simply scoring more goals than we let in, in enough games. With the strikers we have now (Sturridge, Origi, Ings) and the attacking midfielders (Coutinho, Firmino, Mane and Wijnaldum) we have enough firepower to create and ride a wave. Doesn't have to be just one player knocking in the goals. This is over simplified of course, but it's basically all that we need. I also see the team losing it's "inconsistency" factor because it clearly angers Klopp and he's not going to allow it to continue. The 3 main title contenders (ManU, ManC and Chelsea) have new managers, two of which are managing for the first time in this league (Guardiola and Conte) and one manager who is capable of both briliance and disaster (Mourinho) . So the path for these 3 is not going to be easy. We can definitely win the title!


35.) 31 Jul 2016 18:24:17
Really hard this year as so many changes. I think pep for first time is in more than a 2 league team and may not find it quite as easy. Utd will be better but what they have a still see as no better than us. Chelsea will be a lot better. However I still think city will win it
City
Chelsea
Lfc
Arsenal
Utd
Spurs
Saints
Everton
West ham
Stoke
Leicter
With only 10 to 15 points between top and 6th.


36.) 31 Jul 2016 18:31:07
I think it's too early to truly predict as a right signing by the right team can really alter the outcome. Such as Pogba for Utd.
Unfortunately it's that lot for me, they have a truly great manager in Mourinho who will set them up well and probably enough firepower to see them through. I just don't understand those who doubt Ibrahimovic based on his playing in France. do those same people question the ability of lacazette? Or Origi who was awful in his last year in that same league? Or is it just a useful argument to support their opinion?
He has scored goals everywhere he has played and he brings so much more to the team than just goals.
Arsenal is that team where the right signing could mske a massive difference, but I doubt they'll make it based on previous years.
Chelsea will finish top 4 based on their ability to avoid defeats. But the style of play will stop them getting the top positions. City are the unpredictable for me. along with us! I expect 4th but higher is not a dream. lower is an absolute failure which wI'll lead to serious doubts about our ability to challenge at the top.
My greatest fear is the continuation of our inability to get more goals from midfield. Origi who will be 1st choice is destined for great things. but he will be inconsistent and I worry for us on those days that he is.


37.) 31 Jul 2016 18:38:08
We're Guna win the league,
We're Guna win the league,
.


38.) 31 Jul 2016 18:39:09
Davey Mate, what was klopp brought in for? He's had a season under his belt and again for got the players he wanted. Certainly wernt my choices. My answers an arrogant one because I think it's fully justified. If we are not seriously challenging for the league then it's a failure of a season In my eyes.
Klopp wasn't brought in to finish 5th and 6th with what I'm reading from fans. Klopp wasn't hired to finish where the majority of yall are saying. So yes I fully expect us to challenge And be in the mix atleast top 3.


39.) 31 Jul 2016 18:47:41
I think you boys have a major advantage this season in that you don't have a new manager like us, city and Chelsea, and you don't have midweek European trips. If ever you had a chance this surely has to be it?


40.) 31 Jul 2016 19:00:08
Agree with Stand-United and Whentheredsgomarchingin.

Never understood the point in worrying about other teams, we can beat anyone so all we have to do is get behind the team.


41.) 31 Jul 2016 21:00:23
Im in it to win it Stand, last year should tell everyone what's possible, a one off season or not they won it so everyone will now be thinking they've a real chance, i like our squad and how its coming together and i like Klopp, i think we'll be top 3.


42.) 31 Jul 2016 21:56:19
It's minimum top four for me this year. Klopp has more time with the squad this year. Think that extra few days preparing for games is going to a major factor. Bring it on.


43.) 31 Jul 2016 22:21:47
5th or 6th I would say at the moment. LB fixed before start of the season and I will say 4th.


44.) 31 Jul 2016 23:57:34
I have a feeling the EPL will be a very open league this season, given the amount of money and quality even mid table teams have. There will be fewer easy games and it will all come down to consistency.
Lack of European Football may help a few of the teams as well. I see the following lineup for TOP 6:

1. Arsenal
2. Tottenham
3. Liverpool
4. Man Utd
5. Man City
6. West ham

Chelsea, Leicester to be thereabouts.


45.) 01 Aug 2016 01:41:58
I believe city will struggle this season. Pep tactics will be exposed in this league. The weaker teams here are prepared to let you have 80% possession and could destroy you on the counter and are way better than the weaker teams in Germany or Spain.

United could be buying their way to the top. Yes they wasted a lot of money in the past years but Jose knows what he is doing. The hold back in previous years is due to Lvg.

Chelsea is going to be boring to watch this year. Lots of 1-0 I would suspect. They should be quite defensive to protect their slow back 4 unless they get someone else in.

Arsenal are well, Arsenal. They blew it last year although Leicester played really well.

Leicester and Tottenham should have decent seasons but I do not see them maintaining the consistency of last seasons.

Liverpool are going to give some teams a hiding this season. But there's some doubt over their mentality to grind out wins when the game is scrappy. If we can get some momentum going I'm not going to rule us out. The league is wide open.

Letting my heart rule my head a little here but I'm quietly confident and do think we have a real chance.

1. Liverpool
2. United
3. Chelsea
4. Arsenal.

{Ed007's Note - One of the things I'm really looking forward to is Guardiola falling flat on his face and finally getting found out. It's harder to fail at Barca and Bayern Munich than be a success so we'll find out this season what he's made of.}


46.) 01 Aug 2016 08:23:39
5th to 8th depending on how main protagonists play. We have not bought well enough and fluffed our lines on replacing the main problem child that is moreno.

We have failed to acheive anything with better teams than we currently have. So with heavy heart i predict another disappointing season from the league perspective. However i fully expect us to win one of the domestic cups.

Agree with pep and man city failing, i expect mour to make united competitive again and conte will grind down a lot of teams with his style but can not see them winning it.

Xhaka could be the missing piece for arsenal, spurs will be strong again and i would not discount everton who now have a competent manager. It will be very exciting and competitive this year, looking forward to it.


 

 

03 Jul 2016 12:41:03
Alright lads, United fan in peace. Like keeping an eye on the other pages aswell as our own. Over the last few years I've noticed you all take Macca very seriously in what he says. I just wondered who is he? He obviously has links somewhere, is he an ex player, or friends with current players etc? And also how often is he correct in what he says? Obviously I've seen his post regarding us and Pogba and I'm just curious as to how much substance is really behind it? Cheers boys.

Stand-United

1.) 03 Jul 2016 12:52:49
Macca has been coming here for years and has generally been spot on. His rumours carry a lot of substance so much so he had his own page here for a long time. Obviously he's not posting too much on here anymore but if Macca had said we were getting Pogba it's safe to say we would all be creaming ourselves about now.


2.) 03 Jul 2016 13:00:54
I would put money on it. He seems sure on this one.
He's right or at least half right nearly all of the time, things sometimes fall through but he's obviously better connected than every single journalist out there it seems.


3.) 03 Jul 2016 13:01:25
Hi Stand.

Macca has a very good record of getting things spot on regarding the game we love.

Nobody here except I believe Ed001 actually knows who he is. It is widely believed he is an ex player though. Probably because we've had the likes of McAteer, McManaman, McCalister etc down the years.

None of us posters know for sure though. If he says Pogba is joining United, I believe Pogba is joining United!


4.) 03 Jul 2016 13:06:09
Nobody knows who he is he's a poster that at one point had his own page on here. Personally I'd say he's no more informed than anyone else on here he occasionally gets things right and often gets things wrong. He also uses phrases like 'don't be suprised' or 'things change'. As a regular on this site for years I've known entire Windows go by without him posting (and we've signed 7 players that window) . In my opinion he usually only posts things we already know from the eds but perhaps predicts the next step. Walcott, goetze, tello, takeover are some that haven't came out but some like borini and some others that I've forgotten the names of but there are definitely more he's been right on. I'm sceptical but I value his posts more than 80% of the posters and only slightly less than the eds. The nature of the game is if he's right everyone says he has links if not people are sceptical I've seen enough times he's wrong to be sceptical.


5.) 03 Jul 2016 13:17:56
I don't get why MACCA would post on the Liverpool page who Man utd will buy. Seems strange to me.


6.) 03 Jul 2016 13:30:52
Cheers for the replies.


7.) 03 Jul 2016 14:15:41
Stand if Pogba signs I can only see it going the same way as Di Maria.


8.) 03 Jul 2016 15:10:25
Can't see united getting him if Madrid start sniffing around.


9.) 03 Jul 2016 15:11:43
I thought he wasn't good enough for the mancs.


10.) 03 Jul 2016 15:26:08
Macca is more unknown than the stig mate.


11.) 03 Jul 2016 17:40:19
I am Macca. Sorry ment Keyser Sose.


12.) 03 Jul 2016 17:40:19
I am Macca. Sorry ment Keyser Sose.


13.) 03 Jul 2016 17:27:38
It doesn't matter who they are ( Macca and Eds ) what it really matters are the info they pass on which are absolutely spot on.


14.) 03 Jul 2016 18:32:07
I put a nifty fifty on Pogba at 6-4 after maccas post, he's often right. YNWA.


15.) 03 Jul 2016 19:01:24
I always thought Macca was Steve McManaman. Could be just putting 2 + 2 together and getting 10 though :P.


 

 

 

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26 Jan 2016 22:53:28
6 disagree? Lol. Who thinks Liverpool can sign messi and bale too?

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26 Jan 2016 21:51:07
Why in this earth would one of if not the best CF leave Bayern to join Liverpool with probably no CL football again?

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12 Jul 2015 18:33:16
Fees £44m apparently with the add one amounting to £49. Anyone know what percentage of that QPR get? Eds? Reus next for you boys

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{Ed001's Note - 20%}


 

 

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26 Jun 2015 12:26:41
You still don't see my point tho. I'm not comparing United to Chelsea, in fact I'm pretty harsh on my club. We're miles away from them. But we're looking to sign world class talent. The type of player who can turn you into challengers. I personally don't feel any of your signing so far bar Firmino (if he's as good as stated as I haven't seen him) are. City were desperate to keep Milner because he's British for the home grown rule. He's not a top player. He doesn't even start for England and we all know how bad they are. Bogdan for jones makes NO sense to me. You should of signed a top keeper and used mig as backup. I just see Liverpool signing 8/9 ok players , rather than 3/4 real quality players that will make your first 11 stronger

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26 Jun 2015 00:04:27
Wow some of you really are deluded! So we only got 4th because you imploded. Over a course of a season the better side finished higher. Table doesn't lie. To say you would not take one player from us makes you look a clueless fool.

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20 Mar 2017 23:38:26
Jezza Kyle, I know Harry Wilson he lives in my town, and wether he got called up at 15 or not would have made zero difference to the team he played for. He's a proud Welshman.

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The BBC own lots of property. Maybe they could change it to the "Only Fools and Horses Stadium", slogan being, "This Time Next Year ".

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28 Feb 2017 14:45:06
Supermane,

"The way LCFC played yesterday made it hard to have an organised press"

Have another plan. Have a plan B. Tactics have to change during games to counteract the opppnent. Klopp is doing the same as Rodgers in that it's one way and one way only. To play a high line with a slow back line against Vardy was asking for trouble.

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I like your optimism Ron, but with your keeper and defence I think Spurs and City are best placed to challenge should Chelsea implode ( highly unlikely )

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05 Feb 2017 21:10:17
Funny that Waro, just 4 weeks ago you were on the United page spewing how "Jose has been found out", "teams above united won't collapse", "Jose record worse that mvg when in fact it's klopps that's worse than lvg after same amount of games", "offering Jose a new contract was laughable after a few wins", yet you tied klopp down to a 6 year deal for what? Funny how you've changed your tune now and "knew you wouldn't sustain your form". BRILLIANT.

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