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02 Mar 2016 09:48:47
Reports in a daily rag that shall forever be used as toilet paper seem to put Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal chief execs in a "secret" meeting in London about a new break away league as the Eds have suggested in the past. From what has been said in the past it would seem Liverpool were never in the mix for the new Pan European League but if this meeting with American Ross - who put together the ICC is to be believed - then we seem to be a front runner. Or is this just someone who is trying to take advantage of UEFA's turmoil with their own idea of a Pan European League to make a lot of money?

{Ed002's Note - This is the original counter proposal backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin which is soon to be tabled that I mentioned before. This is an option to the breakaway as everyone now knows the reality of it. The proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL.


1.) 02 Mar 2016 10:33:31
Sounds very complicated. I guess it's wait and see now. Thanks for the input Ed.

{Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with in great detail here over the past three or four years - search on breakaway.}


2.) 02 Mar 2016 10:44:23
This is scary.


3.) 02 Mar 2016 10:48:00
If this said meeting was regarding a proposal backed by UEFA, then how is the original European super league idea any different to this counter proposal? From what I see, both proposals pitch an idea of an exclusive, pan-European league with a fixed number of teams.

{Ed002's Note - It is radically different in terms of the teams that might be involved, the running of it and the people looking to fund it. UEFA gave this support, as they are doing with another proposal, to save their own asses.}


4.) 02 Mar 2016 11:51:01
HI EDS if this does happen what will happen with the other comps like the F. A. Cup.

{Ed002's Note - It will continue without any clubs who leave the league.}


5.) 02 Mar 2016 12:35:42
To me the scariest thing would be places being fixed for some teams - the top comp should always be earned. As much as I love LFC, imagine if this had happened a few years ago and we had spent the last 5 years getting in over Arsenal who had never won it? Would be a killer for the sport as the competition would be so uneven, there wouldn't even be a point in fighting for the prizes and the whole concept of every team being in it to win it all dies.


6.) 02 Mar 2016 12:36:22
A European Super League also begs the question.
How much more money will the supporters of these teams be screwed for, to watch televised matches?


7.) 02 Mar 2016 14:32:38
I'd be very interested to see this develop further. From the bits of info I've read on here (and I'm not pretending to fully understand it all either) this would allow the most marketable teams in the world - of which we're still one - to better access that revenue. Without other details it's daft to suggest that it'll be a bad idea anyway. Plus anything that gets us back at the top table with Barcelona etc ought to be explored.

{Ed001's Note - god no. It is purely about greed and money. Places in Europe should be earnt by winning, not by virtue of having a big name. It is like the moronic thinking that sees the world stuck with monarchies that offer no use or value but get to be there purely because of who they are, not because they deserve anything. Everyone and everything should earn what they get.}


8.) 02 Mar 2016 16:17:51
Imagine the cost of following your team every other week across Europe, that's just not sustainable. Wouldn't it result in half empty stadiums?


9.) 02 Mar 2016 17:17:37
Would possibly be home fans only accept the few odd away fans who could possibly travel now and again but at least anfield with soon to be over 50 000 fans would be pretty awesome :p.


10.) 02 Mar 2016 18:50:10
I would imagine the away tickets would be supply on demand up to around 10% of the capacity of the stadium or something?


11.) 03 Mar 2016 02:42:02
As the premier league is the currently biggest earning league is there any chance that it's actually in the interest of English teams to remain the premier league? One could imagine that over time the higher earnings generated by premier league teams would increase the wealth gap between themselves and the rest of Europe. What I am asking I suppose that if the premier league is currently "winning" why change anything?
Also agree with the poster above who thinks that attendances would be s concern due to travel costs. I for one hope this never happens.

{Ed001's Note - it would be very much in the interest of the Prem teams in the short term. The issue is whether that is sustainable in the long term or whether a super league would eventually begin to gather up the less avid fans and the new arrivals in the long term.}


 

 

03 Jan 2015 09:13:27
Any legs in the Defoe to LFC on loan till the end of the season rumours? Personally I think he'd get us goals. I reckon the player would like the move too and is definitely better than, Borini, Mario and Lambert and would suit our game.

{Ed001's Note - he was offered and it was rejected, at least initially.}


1.) 04 Jan 2015 00:16:27
Luis Muriel! to replace Borini.


 

 

 

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15 Aug 2017 09:09:21
With regards to VVD, would you think there's efforts behind the scenes to try and smooth things over with Southampton with the intention to try and see if they would be open to selling the player to us? Or at the very least consider the sale. I know Southamptons public stance is the player isn't for sale, but as we know these things rarely mean anything in public.

{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool withdrew all interest in the player. Clubs will not be open to sales forced because of illegal actions - meaning it will be difficult for Liverpool to go back on their word (although perhaps they will) and Southampton will be reluctant to deal with Liverpool. They want to keep the player but are aware that his position is untenable so they may need to sell.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 09:33:46
They withdrew their interest publicly. That doesn't mean they have privately. I guess if they still maintain an interest. Obviously if they lodge a bid if it comes to that then yes they will have very publicly gone back on their word. I think if Liverpool want to do things correctly then they should pay whatever Southampton want if they choose to sell as they caused the mess. Well Klopp did.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Southampton don't want to sell to Liverpool - perhaps they have a price £20M higher for Liverpool than they do for other sides?}


2.) 15 Aug 2017 10:29:12
I know Macca maintains VVD will come, to me I think it's pretty straightforward. I say not given the relationship between the clubs as it stands. I have a feeling we'll get to the end of the window with no new additions now. I know there's a while to go but I'd rather stick with what we have until Jan than have a knee jerk Balotelli situation on our hands. The team isn't that far off. If we can sort the defensive frailties out then we will be a hard team to beat.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 10:44:35
I think you are right Ed. I think this is the Clint Dempsey tapping up saga all over again. Fulham were ready to sell CD but NOT to LFC at any price and that is how it went down. Here, Saints don't want to sell VVD to us and if they do, they will stick us for more cash than for other suitors.

{Ed001's Note - there is also the problem of the fans down there, who have had enough of us cherry picking their best players each summer. The club can not afford to just carry on letting us do so or they will struggle to get crowds in.}


4.) 15 Aug 2017 11:12:49
"perhaps they have a price £20M higher for Liverpool than they do for other sides"
Ed2 haven't most teams for the last few years done this to LFC? 😂.


 

 

14 Aug 2017 19:41:53
Ed's do you think Liverpools apparent lack of business in the transfer market is to do with the lack of available talent in the positions we require?

I understand Klopp hasn't helped the situation and Coutinho wanting out too but I get the feeling we've had roughly one target in each position and no more, and it'll result in another Balotelli style knee jerk. We all know how that went.

{Ed002's Note - The club had four clear targets plus the potential of Oxlade Chamberlain. They have signed two as replacements for two of the four plus Sturridge. They remain "interested" in the other two original targets. If Coutinho goes they will add another. The window is open still for more than two weeks. If they had acted professionally maybe it would be very different.}


1.) 14 Aug 2017 20:04:44
Couldn't agree more.


 

 

11 Aug 2017 18:21:26
Now this Coutinho "family member" is saying to Sly sports his relationship with Klopp has been degrading over the last 6 months and frustrated with his position in the team.

Doing all they can to get the move now. Dirty tricks have started.

Just get rid, take the £100,000,000 plus and buy someone who isn't South American.


1.) 11 Aug 2017 18:33:48
Agree on the South American part. I hope firmino stays but from now on I wouldn't trust South Americans. If they want to go to Spain they can go to a top 5 team in spain and try get to Barcelona that way.


2.) 11 Aug 2017 19:08:52
Yeah, not like a South American would ever become a longest serving player is it?


3.) 11 Aug 2017 18:30:48
Eds, now that all the acquisitions have begun. What or who do you think is the problem here?
The club, the manager or the player.
Why can't there be an amicable solution?
Why do all the transfers come down to handling the transfer request and dirty acquisitions?

{Ed002's Note - (a) No one is at fault, it is simply a transfer. Like when Liverpool purchased Robertson, or Everton purchased Klaasen. (b) Because the club are adament that they don't want to sell. Many clubs will let players move on if they are not happy - Liverpool are not one of those clubs. (c) Only a few transfers come down to transfer requests being made.}


4.) 11 Aug 2017 19:42:58
South Americans tend to be better! Let's only buy Nepalese them Gurkhas are awfully loyal to the crown! SIlly comment, we need to prove ourselves a better squad on a regular basis to keep or best players, in reality if you're of Coutinhos ability are you happy playing with morenos? Klavans? No you want Suarez etc, until will become a regular trophy collecting team we won't keep our best players it's simple.

{Ed025's Note - fair point fred..


 

 

11 Aug 2017 16:52:36
Too many egos at play here. Let the lad go to Barca. He knows it's now or never for him. South American players are never loyal. Very few footballers in general are these days. Why are people so personally offended when players like Coutinho want to move on. There is no loyalty in the game on both sides, from owners to players. It's about money and honours. Always will be. He's been here for 5 years and won nothing because the club haven't progressed that much. We had a title sniff under Todgers and got to two finals in Klopps first season but still empty handed.
Let's face it we've always replaced players that have moved on and we will continue to do so. Its annoying that he's requested the move the day before the league opener. He could have waited till Wednesday next week until after CL qualifyier which says to me he doesn't love the club as he says. But if the owners have said no to the move and Klopp has too then if they do sell to Barcelona there will be a backlash from the fans. Either that and he stays and plays. Not going to not try his best especially in a World Cup year. He'd be a fool to strike.
My opinion is get rid. You don't want the disharmony. There's two weeks plus left to get some signings to make us better. Let's get behind the players who do want to be here. For now.


1.) 11 Aug 2017 17:06:27
Jimble, we haven't always replaced players who have left. For example we didn't replace Hyypia, we didn't replace Torres, we didn't replace Suarez, we didn't replace Gerrard and each time we struggled for years afterwards. So to say that we have replaced them is a complete fallacy, we are entering the new season in disarray, with the possibility that we would have sold our best player having not been able to adequately replace him.


2.) 11 Aug 2017 17:10:57
Disharmony? I can't see coutinho if by some miracle he stayed acting unprofessional. He'd keep his head down and play football.
You don't think his teamates will be gutted they're losing their best player?


 

 

11 Aug 2017 10:09:45
So LFC have announced a statement saying PipCo isn't for sale. I guess that puts that to bed for now anyway.


1.) 11 Aug 2017 10:17:42
Did they copy and paste it from southamptons or red bulls statement though?


2.) 11 Aug 2017 10:29:52
I am glad they have come out with a definitive statement, my concern is if that stance changes.


3.) 11 Aug 2017 10:42:45
FSG have now drawn the line in the sand. If they back down on this they will make themselves look extremely silly.


4.) 11 Aug 2017 10:59:20
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{Ed002's Note - Why are you such a nasty piece of crap? We don't need rubbish like you trolling the site.}


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2017 13:59:41
In fairness to Macca some great info there BUT things haven't changed, it's still the same on all fronts. It's just some more clarification. I reckon he's bang on the money with respect to the club waiting to see if we qualify fully for group stages of the CL. It makes sense. FSG are responsible owners and although they might not tip up as much money as people would like, there's no point in adding huge wages and transfer fees to the tab if we aren't going to get the revenue the CL would provide. It's good business sense.


 

 

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15 Aug 2017 09:12:41
Apparently he suffers from chilblains in cold weather which could make a deal unlikely. Believe it or not. Haven't seen much on him apart from you tube nonesense. He looks ok. Is he an upgrade on what we have? We need a Matic type player really. He was imperious against West Ham the other day. Chelsea may regret that departure.


 

 

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13 Aug 2017 08:37:17
I said surround him with better players Ed025 😂
Think he could be the making of the blues mate.

{Ed025's Note - hes someone we are desperate for jimble we are very predictable at the moment and everything seems to go through rooney, he is a quality player and scores as well mate..


 

 

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11 Aug 2017 17:27:21
Youre are all chatting bubbles. Klopps going nowhere.


 

 

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11 Aug 2017 12:43:01
James Pierce says no transfer request has been handed in. Bit of a mystery but I'm sure he'll be gone by the end of the window.


 

 

 

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15 Aug 2017 23:53:47
Who's VDR?


 

 

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15 Aug 2017 10:29:12
I know Macca maintains VVD will come, to me I think it's pretty straightforward. I say not given the relationship between the clubs as it stands. I have a feeling we'll get to the end of the window with no new additions now. I know there's a while to go but I'd rather stick with what we have until Jan than have a knee jerk Balotelli situation on our hands. The team isn't that far off. If we can sort the defensive frailties out then we will be a hard team to beat.


 

 

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15 Aug 2017 09:33:46
They withdrew their interest publicly. That doesn't mean they have privately. I guess if they still maintain an interest. Obviously if they lodge a bid if it comes to that then yes they will have very publicly gone back on their word. I think if Liverpool want to do things correctly then they should pay whatever Southampton want if they choose to sell as they caused the mess. Well Klopp did.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Southampton don't want to sell to Liverpool - perhaps they have a price £20M higher for Liverpool than they do for other sides?}


 

 

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14 Aug 2017 20:09:20
Never mind Klopp, I've effin aged during this transfer window and I'm a spectator.


 

 

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14 Aug 2017 20:04:44
Couldn't agree more.