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06 Mar 2018 10:01:34
Ed001, as you'll probably know Liverpool have got Hans Leitert in to advise the club on goalkeeping matters. Is it purely coincidence that since that happened, Karius has been made first choice in all competitions? Was that always on the cards, or has Leitert potentially (obviously we can't be 100% sure) had a hand in the decision? I don't fully understand his role or what power or influence he has.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - it was always the plan, so I have no idea if he has influenced it or not. I would assume he was in favour of it so probably did have a hand in moving it forward.}

1.) 06 Mar 2018 11:25:29
Cheers Ed. Not a lot been explained about Leitert's role so I was just curious. Thanks for the reply.

2.) 06 Mar 2018 14:33:49
I think karius needs time like de gea had and mistakes he makes in games need to be overlooked. Young goalkeepers need patience from us fans. Imagine we sell him and in 3 years time he turns out to be on the level of the very best goal keepers. Give him time and less stick.

3.) 07 Mar 2018 08:02:27
Do you think klopp waited for us to get vvd in, score establishing karius?
With vvds pace we can play a higher line, and Karius is quick off his line, and with added confidence in the back four, there's less pressure on him - if he was brought in at the start of the year, he could have been in the spotlight too much, and with the dodgy defence, lose confidence.
Karius and vvd have made our defence look a lot more solid.



22 Jan 2018 11:03:13
Looks like Liverpool have definitely signed that Columbian lad Anderson Arroyo. He's had to go out on loan to Mallorca though because he can't get a work permit!

I really don't get why the club bother with transfers like this. I'd have thought we would have learned our lesson with Allan, and i think also Awoniyi is in the same boat? 🤔

If we want to make a habit of this, then it needs to be prioritised that we get a better loan structure in place. Otherwise we're just playing with peoples careers and wasting money.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - THis will be two or three year loan and then try for a WP. But as you say - there is no structure or plan at Liverpool.}

1.) 22 Jan 2018 11:23:29
What a stupid move this is. Again.

2.) 22 Jan 2018 12:13:26
Maybe this lads signing will be a turning curve for the Liverpools loan structure hopefully.

3.) 22 Jan 2018 12:31:38
Fingers crossed Reusch.

4.) 22 Jan 2018 12:21:14
Is this basically the club rolling the dice and hoping the player turns out to be some thing special? Then the work permit will be easier to obtain if he is playing for his country etc? If so we are relying on Mallorca quite heavily to make the right moves with the kid too. As MK said 🤔.

5.) 22 Jan 2018 12:54:34
Better off giving me the odd million it took to make this deal for a player who will likely never see the Liverpool matchday squad. At least I would put money back into the club because I would finally afford to see us play.

6.) 22 Jan 2018 14:20:55
I believe there are favourable naturalisation conditions for Colombians in Spain, and then potentially easier into Europe or the UK but who knows what the real plan is. I for one am happier with the move being made with a loan already lined up rather than a last minute knee jerk. Hopefully they’ve got a proper long term plan in place.

7.) 22 Jan 2018 15:32:19
I don't necessarily think it is a stupid move so much as a strange one given our disjointed development structure. It just looks like our approach to development is having staff behind the scenes conducting random talent prospecting without structure or planning. As soon as I saw it, it felt more like profiteering than "joined-up" thinking.

8.) 23 Jan 2018 21:32:23
Speaking of work permits do the Eds know if Allan has a future at liverpool next season? I remember klopp and some players speaking highly of him when he was training with the squad last year.

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}



18 Jan 2018 08:40:52
Strong rumours we are trying to sign Emerson Palmieri from Roma. For anyone wondering why we would be trying to sign another left back, Emerson has a few more strings to his bow.

Personally, I've always thought his future lies on the left of a midfield or front 3, where his skill, attacking intent and direct style of play can be more beneficial and less risky. At left back, all of his best attributes are stifled. Think of him as the left footed Trent Alexander-Arnold!

MK Scouser

1.) 18 Jan 2018 09:40:21
Isnt it Roma have who have a young left back they see as a big prospect not Palmieri which would be an indication of their willingness to sell?

{Ed002's Note - Roma are selling players for a different reason than having any you prospects.}

2.) 18 Jan 2018 17:35:11
Fair play Ed2 cheers.



16 Jan 2018 12:57:01
Anyone seen what Bordeaux manager said? Basically said Liverpool are in the frame for Malcom.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - Malcom's representatives were in London and spoke to two sides - neither of which were Liverpool.}

1.) 16 Jan 2018 13:26:04
Yes Ed but didn’t you realise Malcolm himself was in blackpool?

2.) 16 Jan 2018 15:35:23
Cheers Ed. Perhaps it was a ploy to make Arsenal cough up more money. Or perhaps the Bordeaux is a Liverpool fan trying to do us a solid 😂

Does seem weird he'd specifically mention Liverpool. Not that I'm that fussed. Malcom is a decent enough player, but he's not good enough to have an immediate impact on our team. At 20 he has time on his sides, but he's not a lot better than the likes of Nkoudou, Lacazette, Gomis, Martial or Origi who have all come to England with big reputations and under-whelmed.

3.) 16 Jan 2018 15:40:22
Please tell me you didn't just put origi in the same bracket as martial and lacazette 🤦🏼‍♂️.

4.) 16 Jan 2018 16:11:07
Typical Malcom, he's always in the middle lol.

{Ed025's Note - love it verdo..

5.) 16 Jan 2018 16:12:34
TBF Benny none of those named have done well upon their arrival to the league in comparison to their expectations.

6.) 16 Jan 2018 16:23:04
Yeah. origi miles better.

7.) 16 Jan 2018 17:02:47
Benny, all i meant was that they've all come to England and not lived up to their individual expectations. Even Hazard hasn't. He scored 30 goals for LOSC and yet he's never even made 20 goals in his 5 years in England.

I think the last player to come to the UK from France and not even remotely let everyone down was Kante or Ibrahimovic. There are done top talents there to be fair, but they usually take time to settle and never reach the heights they did in Ligue 1. Lemar and Malcom would be in that category for me, but then i thought Lacazette would adapt well and he's had a shocker.

I'm not even saying it's a bad league, but a lot of players find it comfortable there, and then Struggle when moving to England, Spain or Germany.

8.) 16 Jan 2018 17:42:03
MK Hazard's biggest total for Lille was 22 in all competitions. The closest he's come is 19 in 14-15, not far off.

Hazard has easily lived up to expectation, Martial I'd argue has had ups and downs but has proved himself a good player. Origi has shown himself to be what he was a £10m pound striker, decent not spectacular.

Lacazette is suffering some poor form but give him some time, he's as much a sufferer of the state of Arsenal football club as he is taking time to adapt.

I don't think it's far to just lump all these Ligue 1 players in the same bracket and say "look! they're not that good! "

9.) 16 Jan 2018 20:04:08
To be fair, that's not that far away Imred. I thought he scored more than that in his last season at Lille but i stand corrected! Still though, the fact he's never replicated a goal tally he hit at about 20/ 21 years old in nearly 6 years is disappointing if you're a Hazard fan.

10.) 17 Jan 2018 12:10:18
you can't expect players to come from different leagues and replicate their goal tally. this is the most competitve league in the world and Hazard has proved he is one of the best players in the world. If he scores 100 goals a season in China, comes to England and only gets 20, does that mean he's underwhelmed?



11 Jan 2018 14:01:21
A couple of things missed in the Macca furore.

1) Matthew Virtue has joined Notts County on loan. Carra can you add him to your loan watch? I'm interested in how this goes for him. In recent years we've had Rossiter who had the ability but lacked the physicality, and Coady who had the physicality but lacked the ability. Well Virtue has both and looks far more balanced than Ejaria. I think he may be the first credible midfielder the academy has produced since Jay Spearing. Obviously Spearing never really took off with us after a couple of seasons as a first team regular, but Virtue has as much of a shot as he did. I just hope the loan goes well and he doesn't get injured. His potential is huge. He's a powerful box to box midfielder for anyone interested, who from the age of 18 has been dominating teams at u23 level. Time to see if he can do the same against players as big and ugly as he is.

2) InformaBetis (Spanish media) are reporting that we've agreed a deal in principle to sign 24 year old Danish left wing back, Riza Durmisi, from Real Betis. I believe Durmisi once played alongside Daniel Agger at Brondby, so this may have legs if Dagger has put in a good word for us! He's extremely effective going forward.

MK Scouser

1.) 11 Jan 2018 14:15:17
If Liverpool really have signed Riza Durmisi then that means Robertson's days are numbered, and he hasn't even been at the club a year. Well see what happens, I honestly doubt we would sign a left back so soon after bringing one into the club, but much of what our club does tends to puzzle me.

If Durmisi does sign, however, then that is a clear indication that Klopp had zero interest in Andrew Robertson. Which begs the question. why even sign him in the first place?

2.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:02
LFC mango. unless Moreno is leaving?

3.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:21
I'll let you in on a secret MANGO. Durmisi has scored two goals this season; both against Sevilla. He saves his best performances for them.

Moreno on the other hand, is absolutely bloody useless against Sevilla. So if we have Durmisi to cover any future games against Sevilla, Moreno is no longer a liability and can play the rest of our games 😂

In all seriousness, it would be a strange one. Don't shoot the messenger though!

4.) 11 Jan 2018 14:34:05
The Spanish article says that he is Moreno replacement.

5.) 11 Jan 2018 14:43:22
Will add him to the list MK.

Loan updates returning after this weekend.

6.) 11 Jan 2018 14:28:10
Wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno leave now his best bud is gone.

7.) 11 Jan 2018 15:02:54
Klopp loves Moreno and has trusted him to be our first choice left-back this season and, to be fair, he has put in performances to show that Klopp was right in his decision. No way is Klopp getting rid of Moreno, no chance.

If anyone is being removed it would have to be Robertson, although I doubt anything will happen regarding a left back. This sounds a lot like useless paper talk, another name to add to their hundreds of players linked to us.

I suspect we will sign one player in January and nothing more. Save the cash for the summer where options may be more able to leave their club, rather than halfway through the season.

8.) 11 Jan 2018 15:47:07
Nobody touches Bobby's new dance partner, Moreno ok. Lose Moreno, lose Bobby.

9.) 11 Jan 2018 15:57:35
Come on MANGO get serious, saying Klopp Loves Moreno so much and will never sell him is just mad. Why wouldn't he sell a player if he feels someone better is out there? There are plenty better Left Backs than Moreno out there and Klopp would know that.

10.) 11 Jan 2018 16:42:45
Can’t ever recall Spearing being a regular.

11.) 11 Jan 2018 17:42:45
In 2010/ 11 Spearing made 20 appearances, and in 2011/ 12 he made 25. Spearing was used in a lot of games. Gerrard played 24 and 28 games in those 2 seasons. That's just 7 more appearances across 2 years. So if Spearing wasn't a regular, you might as well say Gerrard wasn't either?

In my opinion playing in half of your teams games makes you a regular first team player. Fair play if you disagree.

12.) 11 Jan 2018 17:52:53
Maybe Moreno was useful to klopp as pips buddy so there's no need to keep him now.

13.) 11 Jan 2018 18:03:49
One of Kent’s big mistakes was playing Spearing, especially in the Cup Fonal against Chelsea. Decent player but just not good enough for where LFC needed to go.

Pushing him because he was a local lad when he was not up to LFC standard is not the answer. Same for Coady and Flanagan too. For a local lad to break through at Anfield you have to be top quality, eg Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen and hopefully TAA.

14.) 11 Jan 2018 18:12:37
Not read all the posts but have you seen how well Coady is doing at Wolves as their captain? Certainly not lacking in ability. They're playing about the best football outside of the top 5/ 6 in this country and you could argue better than a team or 2 in the top 6 too.

15.) 11 Jan 2018 18:50:14
MK-I see he made 11 prem appearances in 2010 amd 16 the year after. Not sure how many he started but I wouldn’t class that as a regular (although more than I remember)

16.) 11 Jan 2018 19:11:13
Why does it matter what competition or whether he started? I can't help but think you're splitting hairs here mate 😂 it's not like that was even my main point. It seems like the only thing we're debating is how we both define "first team regular". For me, that doesn't mean he was a regular premier league starter, just that he was a regular for the Liverpool first team. He was nearly always in the match day squad which to me makes him a regular first team player. Anyway, we're going to go in circles!

He was the last academy midfielder to come through and play a key role in our season though. Coady, Rossiter, Brannagan, Ejaria etc all only made a handful of appearances in early cup rounds, and odd sub appearances. Spearing actually started in midfield for us in the FA cup final against Chelsea.

17.) 11 Jan 2018 19:16:16
Lucas was playing really well that season and got injured against Man City, in December. Spearing only played the 2nd half of that season because of Lucas injury. Not a regular, more of a squad player called upon.

18.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:07
My post should have read Kenny, not Kent. Also, Bretzteke I agree with you about Coady. He is playing well now and has improved a lot. But when he was being pushed because he was local he was not good enough at the time.

19.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:41
Is ten minutes a game a regular?

20.) 11 Jan 2018 20:08:36
Durmisi is not good enough to play for Liverpool. I am danish and i've watched him quite a lot, for Betis and the national team, where he lost his place to Jens Stryger Larsen, who is nothing but alright.

21.) 11 Jan 2018 22:37:49
can’t believe you guys are arguing over what classes as a first team regular, and to make it even funnier, Spearing 😂.

22.) 11 Jan 2018 22:54:42
People forget how bad Moreno really is.

23.) 11 Jan 2018 23:54:30
Could the mystery signing be Aguero?

{Ed033's Note - You mean Ken?

24.) 11 Jan 2018 23:58:53
Cobra, you're right to a degree, he got 20-25 games in the 10-11 and 11-12 season (11 and 16 in the league) under KK and Roy.

Adams point is that, outside of Jay Spearing, there hasn't really been a central midfielder come out of the academy since Gerrard who's had more than a handful of games for us.

Fingers crossed that Virtue can make the step up in seasons to come.

25.) 11 Jan 2018 23:39:54
Some bizarre arguments on here.

26.) 12 Jan 2018 10:28:59
Zeddicus, thank you for not nit-picking at everything i post and for using common sense to extrapolate my point without debating terminology! 😂.




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20 Mar 2018 12:08:59
Ed001 you mentioned we had watched the RBL right back but that you had forgotten his name. I assume you are on about Klosterman?

I really like him as a player. He is similar to Gomez in that he can also play centre back, so we'd still be able to switch up the defence to a back 3 if the opposition were getting at us. I thought he was late 20's but he's actually only 21. That surprised me big time.

If we signed Navas, Klosterman, Keita and Ceballos we'd look good going into next season. I still reckon we have a chance at Lemar as well. I can't wait for next season. I think we'll mount a more serious title challenge!

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - I don't recall his name sorry.}

1.) 20 Mar 2018 12:28:56
very defensive though mk and that's klopp's problem with clyne. imo I think we'd be after heinrichs or sociedads rb. maybe weiser too, ex Bayern youngster.

2.) 20 Mar 2018 13:17:18
RBL won't sell if they don't want to because they clearly won't need the money. So chances of getting their starting RB is close to none. I don't rate Weiser at all. He is decent going forward but goes missing and ouplayed most of his games.

Heinrichs is a good shout but leverkusen won't sell for cheap as they have a big company backing them as well (Bayer is a big pharmacist here in germany) .

3.) 20 Mar 2018 13:20:22
Kieran trippier would be a good rb for us. Not the greatest defender but his distribution is first class, it would be like playing 2 3 5 at times!

{Ed001's Note - oh god no, he plays one good game in 20 and is awful defensively. He puts in one good delivery and it is highlighted for months to show he is great going forward when he quite simply isn't. Says a lot that Kyle Walker was a far, far better player than he was.}

4.) 20 Mar 2018 16:50:22
I don't get this 'we won't get him cheaply' business. So what? A first choice player in our squad isn't likely to come cheaply because if they are better than we already have, they are pretty damn good. As long as they aren't asking us to fund a Bayer Leverkusen Space Program, I can't see FSG or Klopp pulling shut the purse strings for a player that they actually think will have a positive impact on our first team and get us better results - especially if we can show that we're competitive for the CL title this season by getting past City and getting into it for next year.



16 Mar 2018 12:20:21
Why are people so scared of City for?

We've already beaten them once and they only beat us because the ref bottled sending off Otamendi after he nailed Salah and Mane in the first 20, and then sent off Mane for an offence that has never before or after been a red card.

They've already lost this season to Shaktar, Basel, Wigan and of course, us. They struggled against Wolves, Bristol City, Everton and Crystal Palace.

This isn't a team who have swatted everyone aside like flies. They can't handle being pressured and they Don't like it when teams run at them. Every single player in their back 4 and keeper has a mistake in them, and their defensive midfielder is a red card liability.

Yes, they are favourites. De Bruyne and Silva are the best midfield double act I've seen since Iniesta and Xavi were in their prime at Barcelona. But Salah and Firmino are the best strike partnership I've ever seen in my lifetime. So we have every chance of pulling it off!

I hope Pep and his lads do take their foot off the gas in the league and start resting players. It is very hard to just turn it back on when you need to and if they get complacent at all, we have the ability to make them look ridiculous over two legs. I fully get that they have the ability to do that to us though. It's a 50/ 50 shot at the end of the day between two very good sides. I read the other day that since the defeat against Spurs at Wembley, City have taken 53 points and We've taken 47. So over the last 20 or so games, We're not as far off them as everyone thinks.

You lads have got to believe! We have European pedigree and they just Don't. It is in our blood to succeed in this tournament. It will mean so much to the likes of Silva, Kompany and Aguero and Man City in general, because it is all they are missing in their cabinets at home. Hopefully that desperation sees them come unstuck! BELIEVE!

MK Scouser

1.) 16 Mar 2018 12:28:59
Couldnt agree more Mk! Awesome post. We are Liverpool football club, we can beat anyone. We are 5 times European champions they should be afraid of us! Be agressive and run like mad and we will have our chances. think this will be epic 2 matches just like the 2 legs against chelsea and arsenal in the past! And whole world will be our fans in this one :)

2.) 16 Mar 2018 12:39:09
MK I am with you on this one. We tend to perform at our best when we are the underdogs! Bring it on! From an English perspective we will have a team in the semi's not only that it will be one of the best (most entertaining) 2 teams in the land right now. One of us should win it! Let's hope it is us!

3.) 16 Mar 2018 12:45:22
I'm sorry but I stopped reading that MK after the outrageous sentence they only beat us because the ref bottled sending off a player. Considering we are the self proclaimed best fans in the world we don't half hide behind excuses when we lose. City hammered us on the day and then at home we outplayed them and scored some world class goals. Nothing more nothing less. We will be saying we haven't won a premier league title next because the refs have a vendetta against us.

4.) 16 Mar 2018 13:02:51
Agreed MK, very well said. People are talking like we're already out of the CL, that is nonsense! If I was a City fan right now I think I'd be more worried then what I am as a Liverpool fan. I think we can do it. Hard game, yes, impossible? no. We've done it before we can do it again, we'll be well up for this and I can't wait for iy. No matter what the outcome may be, we've done incredibly well to get to this stage.

5.) 16 Mar 2018 13:26:33
Spot on, MK. Why should we be scared vs a team who have only managed 6 measly wins vs LFC in all comps (all at the Etihad) since the oil cash arrived in 2009? Vs the top 6, LFC has the best record against City and they have not won a game at Anfield since 2003 and that is having spent over 1bn (yeah, billion with a B) on players. Under Klopp. we have 1 loss in 7 games vs City. Klopp has scored get this 4 goals twice and 3 goals once vs City. No other manager has that record so again, why should I be afraid of a team that we actually "own"?

Trust me, it is them that are scared of us cos they know what we can do to them. We are the ONLY reason they will NOT be undefeated this season and we are the team that put 4 past them this season and shut them down to having one shot on target in 84 minutes. Yeah, WE DID THAT! "There is nothing to fear but fear itself" - Roosveldt.

6.) 16 Mar 2018 13:29:23
Never been a red card? Take them red tinted glasses off mate he nearly took the blokes head off.

7.) 16 Mar 2018 14:30:11
Maybe that was badly worded Jayden. I should have said "they only beat us so comfortably because of the red card decisions". If Otamendi had been correctly sent off and Mane had received a yellow card or a warning like every other high boot challenge this season has been punished with, then maybe they might still have won. It wouldn't have ended 5-0 though!

JordDodz. Valencia went in deliberately high and studs up on Mane less than a week ago. Nothing. Zlatan had a goal disallowed last season for a high studs up challenge on the keeper. Nothing. Otamendi kicked Kane in the head. Nothing. Ritchie nearly took someones head off. Yellow card. Diaby technically killed John Terry for nearly 10 minutes by volleying his face! Where were their red cards? Remember De Jong on Alonso in the international game? Studs up to the chest. Nothing.

Was it a red card? I think it should be but based on recent times, it was the wrong decision. All I want is consistency.

8.) 16 Mar 2018 15:00:16
I lied first time round Mk I did actually read the rest of your comment but had to word it to make my point. Everything you say about decisions since are correct and no one has been sent off since. I think the damage Mane caused is what swayed it and if it was on our keeper we would have cried blue murder. However I am certainly looking forward to two exciting games against city. And this is going to be 2 great games of football for the neutral.

9.) 16 Mar 2018 15:52:30
I think you are correct Jayden that the ref was swayed by the damage caused, but it is a weak decision to see blood and panic. If punishments were proportional to the injury caused, Gary Cahill should be banned for life for ending Mason's career! Rondon would be banned for a year for destroying McCarthy's leg. You have to judge the incident and not the injury. Mane made a legitimate attempt to go for the ball and although it was potentially dangerous, so is every single tackle/ challenge. Hell, Rondon broke a leg taking a shot!

Whether it was the right decision or not isn't really relevant. My point is that based on other decisions, Mane was unlucky and the ref only showed red because of the injury and not because he thought it was a red card offence.

Like you, I'm really looking forward to this. I can't wait!

10.) 16 Mar 2018 16:48:46
Agree totally Mk and Mane's red card could have gone either way. City hammered us that day with 5 very good goals. If mane was on the pitch then it's highly likely we could have scored a few. But for me he woundnt have stopped our midfield being dominated like it did or Mignolet and our defence conceding 5 like they did. After all 2-3 weeks later Spurs did the same to us with 11 v 11.

11.) 16 Mar 2018 17:12:12
I wouldn’t say they hammered us we were the better team by far before Mane’s red card.

12.) 16 Mar 2018 17:49:39
5-0 is hammered sorry. And at 0-0 how were we the better team by far.

13.) 17 Mar 2018 12:43:26
City are a level above us, it's reality. I'd have preferred Barcelona or Madrid.
City are the best side side in Europe right now. Barcelona are a regressing side in a poor overall league with their forwards carrying them as is Madrid.
We'll see how it pans out. They could be two great matches but we also could get obliterated. We definitely need Henderson to be fit. Forget about competing in midfield with can and Milner.



12 Mar 2018 17:48:06
Now that the storm has died down a bit it looks safe to post again! Here's my constructive analysis.

Whilst our midfield clearly had more quality on the ball than Mourinho's side, United gave them a lesson on how to play without it. Do you know who I think we missed on Saturday? Lucas Leiva.

Someone intelligent enough to double up on Lukaku so the long balls were ineffective. Anybody else remember Lucas and Lovren bullying Lukaku last season? It was embarrassing for the big striker because Lucas was too clever for him and stopped him getting a good run/ jump on Lovren by standing on his toes.

Unfortunately none of Can, Milner or Ox are defensive minded (nor are any of them our first choice midfielders) . We really miss the Henderson, Lallana and Gini of last season. As a midfield trio they work perfectly together. It's just a shame 2 of them are injury prone and Gini is useless away from home.

Midfield will soon need a major rebuilding in my opinion. Keita is inbound, Lemar would be a dream to help break down quality defences like United, and hopefully we can snare some kind of Lucas replacement to cover Henderson, or even partner him in particularly tough games. A player who is ugly to watch but does a job. I had my heart set on a powerhouse like Doucoure or Ndidi who can get forward, but now I think I just want an agressive destroyer. And yes I know Klopp doesn't want one in his primary system, but I think he needs to consider opening his mind to a different way of playing from time to time.

Fingers crossed it can be Grujic who has really surprised me on loan at Cardiff in the holding role. His physicality and height would've cut the supply line to Lukaku in theory. He just needs to develop the intelligence to spot danger because there is no guarantee he wouldn't have buggered off into no man's land like Can did. If it isn't Grujic, Klopp needs to go and find us one!

Sorry for the long post.

MK Scouser

1.) 12 Mar 2018 17:59:27
Good post mk I mostly agree.

2.) 12 Mar 2018 18:17:37
Yeah, great point about lovren and lucus. It's pretty shocking really that lukaku wasn't doubled up on. People were talking about how ineffectual captains are these days but I think Hendo would have spotted the trouble with lukaku and done something about it. I totally agree about a dark arts midfielder. I didn't used to but I have seen reality. I understand klopp philosophy and I admire the way he sticks go it but there has to be plan b, plan c and plan d. A tall striker, very strong in the air wouldn't be a bad idea, I thought we might go for lorente last summer. It has to be someone content to be the super sub and also, like mk says, a destroyer in midfield.

If Can keeps playing like he has been in the last few matches I won't be sad to see him go. That's the first time I've said that.

3.) 12 Mar 2018 18:26:49
Can't disagree about our midfield. For me it's our major problem area currently. I'd prioritise it over a center back and definitely over a goalie given Karius' recent upturn in form.

In terms of Klopp not wanting someone like Doucoure or Ndidi, I can live with that. I personally think that the way some defensive midfielders play, ie. basically as a slightly more advanced center half, is a waste of a player anyway. But even if we don't have a 'natural' defensive midfielder sitting in front of the back 4 all the time, the midfielders we have still need to be able to do at least some defending when required. Things like being able to read the play, spot danger, know when not to get ahead of the ball, and being able put in a few tackles. There are midfielders who aren't pure defensive midfielders who can do those things, but none playing for us at the moment. Only Henderson is any good at reading the play and no midfielder we have is particularly good at tackling.

And aside from more defensive solidity there, we need more controlled possession. Milner and Ox are admirable in the sense that they're honest, whole hearted lads who give everything and do a lot of running. And they have shown a capacity for creating goals with that running too. But they haven't got the head to play central midfield at a high level. Neither are good defensively, and they struggle to strike a balance between retaining possession and trying to get the ball forward. Can's too inconsistent and Gini just seems have retreated into his shell this year. Even at home he's generally been anonymous more often than not. It's frustrating because he's very good on his day. It's just his day comes around one game in five of late.

Even on top of Keita, I genuinely think there's room to bring in a further two center mids at the club. I'd let Gini and Can go because I just don't think they've been good enough for us, and because he's been such a good pro, I'd give Milner the option to stay as a squad player or leave to be first choice somewhere else if he wanted to. I'd keep Ox, but I'd primarily use him as a winger.

4.) 12 Mar 2018 18:53:20
Would be great to see to see Grujic play the deeper role next season.

He's still new to it though and if he's not ready for the new season I think he might want to leave in the summer. Midfield is one area that will probably change a lot over the summer and I fear Grujic may be one of the players to drop out, especially if we do buy another player to play deeper.

Fingers crossed he turns into a powerhouse for us though!

5.) 12 Mar 2018 18:59:17
MK - I agree with just about all of the post.

Something Red - agree Gini and Can should be upgraded if possible.

6.) 12 Mar 2018 19:26:39
I'm not sure about gini. He is probably the one midfielder who does dabble in the dark arts, he is very good at breaking up play and retaining possession. Sometimes it looks like he is missing in games when in fact he is making a major nuisance of himself and probably sacrificing part of his creative game to do so. I don't see the need to get rid of any midfielders, Can is leaving with keita coming in. Maybe we sacrifice milner or grujic for a midfield enforcer.

7.) 12 Mar 2018 19:11:32
MK, I agree with your points overall BUT I will say that Mou focuses on his midfield being behind the ball as soon as they lose it and not getting past the half-way line while with Klopp, our midfield press as soon as they lose it so it is not about them teaching anyone a lesson. It is just a clash of styles, really. I do agree that why no one put a mid ahead of Lukaku like Lucas did last season vs Everton, I will never know. This is something Klopp or other players should have done on the bounce BUT alas, this was not to be. As for the game, Mou set up to take advantage of any mistakes we made and to me, that is not a game plan cos what if we made no mistakes? They can't win? They would have parked the bus and gotten a point. If that is a tactical masterclass then pls, I want none of that crap at Anfield, thank you very much.

Games like this are based on fine margins. VVD shoulders the corner on a free header and 60 seconds after that, thy score a second. Also, don''t forget that we had at least 2 penalties not given esp. the Fellaini one which was blatant and even some pundits said so while the Valencia handball should have been given as the cross was coming to Mane's path. On this point, we can propose solutions to issues and have honest debates about our team BUT if a ref is going to ruin the game for you, it's not going to matter and we have been on the wrong end of some shocking decisions that have cost us points this season and that should not be ignored. Up Da Pool!

8.) 12 Mar 2018 20:27:38
Grujic may become the defensive-minded mid we are craving. though that will stifle his forays forward.

Anyone considered Joe Gomez as a possibility for defensive mid? Tends to read game quite well and often plays closer to the centre halves than TAA. he can tackle and is good in the air. plus it doesn't look like he will be playing centre half any time soon.

9.) 12 Mar 2018 20:13:28
Henderson would never bully Lukaku or any tall striker. Had VVD marshelled Lukaku things would have been different. He stood still and did nothing and watched Lukaku bullying Lovren all afternoon.

You can’t buy a midfielder to win headers! Can is tall enough to do while Lucas isn’t. It’s about winning the second ball when you loose the first.

No issues if Lukaku or any striker win the first ball, Our issues has been winning the second ball!
Mourinho showed you can control a football match without possession.

You have missed a very critical point why we couldn’t beat the bus! Our full backs offer nothing upfront! Go and check Dani Alves or Alex Sandro on how they stretch the opponent! Or you could see how Walker and Mendy will do it for Spurs.

Even if you add 10 more CM’s Mourinho wouldn’t care a damn! But had we opted for two wing backs who could peg both Valencia and Young then Jose would have lost the battle!

Their weakness is same as ours! Poor full backs! You cannot run at a brick wall of 2 sets of 4 players through the middle no matter how many midfielders you have got with you!

10.) 12 Mar 2018 20:48:20
Can was just as much to blame, he should have been tighter to Lukaku.

11.) 12 Mar 2018 21:42:39
MK - good post mate. 100% right.

12.) 12 Mar 2018 22:38:27
Mourinho watched the Swansea game. Carlos Carvalhal said that Liverpool hurt you most when you have the ball. So they conceded possession.

13.) 13 Mar 2018 10:42:34
Couldn't agree more, but I do wonder if the issue is less who have and more what they do. I was screaming at the TV for their second goal 'Why didn't Can take him down?! ' because it is so obvious that's what he should have done. I don't think we miss Lucas because he was so good, or defensively minded. I think we miss him because he was committed - he knew what needed doing and was willing to take the card, or take the blame if something still happened from the free kick etc. Right now only Hendo is willing to take responsibility in our midfield and our whole structure suffers without him, but he cannot play two games a week at 100%. Aside from Chamberlin who is still finding his role in the team, everyone else in the midfield just won't do their best job - it's like their so paralysed by fear of being told they did the wrong thing that they would rather do absolutely nothing when things get rough.

14.) 13 Mar 2018 10:46:59
I had always thought that Can had been brought to take over from Lucas, one day. It turned out differently. In fact I see Klopp has a tendency to turn players into multi-role, multi-tasking ones and I'm not sure if it has always worked out well.

I'd bring Jorginho in and alternate him with Henderson, but in a much more forward position for both. I think Henderson's talents are wasted in being placed just above the back 4. Keita will come in and do the box to box thing that Klopp likes so much. We need a true AM to support the front 3. Either bring in Lemar or Meyer or even try Wijnaldum there (why not? -it's all about training and coaching) . And I would bring in a defensive midfield destroyer. MK is very right and I've said it here before. Klopp needs to change his mindset about this. We need a brutish, thuggish guy who'll make opposing forwards think twice before running at the back 4. Someone like a Thompson or a Souness (not easy to find, I know) . I thought Can had the attributes (he's a feisty, aggressive player) but things went differently. Maybe Grujic can play that role but I'm not sure about his readiness for the spotlight.

Can is leaving. I'd let Milner leave if he wants to. I'd let Lallana leave too because I really don't see any pluses in his game anymore. The Lallana of last year was great, but with Mane and Salah up front, and his inability to be a really good AM, I think his days with LFC are numbered. I'd keep Wijnaldum. I think he still has a lot to offer.

And, I'd try really hard to bring in Batshuayi. He's doing very well with Dortmund on loan. With Sturridge leaving (and possibly Ings too) we need a finisher on the bench or to alternate. How many seasons can you play Firmino in every game, with his work rate? It makes sense to have a contingency if either Mane or Salah leave also. And we haven't done badly with ex-Chelsea players, either.

15.) 13 Mar 2018 11:24:55
Oops. I made a mistake. I was thinking of Smith and I wrote down Thompson. Sorry.

16.) 13 Mar 2018 12:35:45
Baby driver, the attacker (lukaku in this sense) targeted lovren, it wasn't that Vvd couldn't be bothered. If virgil had gone to the right then lukaku would have gone to the left. Vvd plays on the left, utd attacked the right, Vvd is the main reason they did this. It wasn't Taa's fault, it wasn't even lovren's fault. It certainly wasn't vvd's fault. If you want to lay blame then look to can for the first and sadly Karius for the second. I'm not getting on Karius's back, he has been playing well, he made a silly mistake.

17.) 13 Mar 2018 19:45:34
I agree with you, Super Salah BUT mentioning Karius as one to blame makes little sense to me. When Sanchez plays the ball into Lukaku, VVD deflects it. Before the deflection, Karius tries to come out and anticipate the cross before VVD deflects it. The deflection goes to Rashford and Karius scampers back in position at the near post. Rashford shoots and it takes a deflection of TAA and wrong foots Karius. I don't think he can be blamed for that. There were many things that went against us on that play alone that there is a lot of blame to go round, none of which belong to Karius and you are the only one I have seen anywhere, try to blame him for any of the goals.

18.) 13 Mar 2018 20:37:30

You are partially right! Can is guilty of not winning the second ball! While CB’s has to win the first ball! It’s no midfielders job! Long kick reaches CB’s.
I won’t blame TAA one bit, but would blend Klopp is not buying a top class RB last summer gambling it on a 19 year old kid to see us all season!



11 Mar 2018 13:11:12
I knew this would happen. If I'm honest, I thought we would beat United. However, I was well prepared for a defeat. They have been imperious at Old Trafford. They have the best defensive record in the League and CL at home. I was hoping they'd park the bus and we'd knick it 1-0. Unfortunately, they scored 2 good goals against the run of play courtesy of one of the best young players in Europe.

Get over yourselves. We just lost a game away from home against Man United and we're all absolutely gutted because we know we are a better team. Doesn't that show how far we've come? I knew this level of hissy fit and temper tantrum was on it's way if we lost because all week people have been saying we'd blow them away, or destroy them, or words to that effect. People were acting as if they were a pushover, or an inconvenience.

In reality, the home team in a top 6 clash is always the favourite. Do you remember when we beat Man City at Anfield despite the fact they're clearly a better team than we are? I do. Pep congratulated us and I saw lots of Man City fans online congratulating us for how well we played. They accepted defeat with class and didn't start slaughtering Ederson or Stones for playing poorly.

Grow up for God sake. That is our 4th defeat in 30 league games this season. Aside from the Swansea blip our only losses have all been away from home against Spurs, City and United. The three teams who I will guarantee will join us in the top 4 this season. Arnold is a very young man. He'll learn. For Christ's sake don't make him afraid if making mistakes or He'll never develop.

Some of you lot don't deserve Liverpool when you behave like this. This is total over reaction because we lost against the run of play away from home to one of the most effective and brutally efficient teams in Europe. It is not the end of the world.

MK Scouser

1.) 11 Mar 2018 13:23:51
I still fancy us to take 2nd. Our form is still great, defeat at Old Trafford isn’t exactly catastrophic, it’s what happens to most teams in a season.

2.) 11 Mar 2018 13:31:15
Exactly Mikey. Nice to see some perspective.

3.) 11 Mar 2018 13:38:56
Haven't read the whiny comments but I'm sure they're there.

Gutted we lost like that to be honest but it's football, just didn't do ourselves justice plus all the other usual excuses.

I'm sure the whiners never make errors, there's a reset button on Fifa on Xbox and PlayStation I'm sure so how could they?!

If the whiners are as bad as you're suggesting then you're right, they don't deserve LFC, we certainly don't deserve them.

Yes, mistakes were made and sorry to break it to the whinge bags, mistakes will happen for the rest of your lives - now the quicker you get that past your tear filled eyes and into your brains the easier and better your life may become.

4.) 11 Mar 2018 13:42:36
MK, maybe it’s not the defeat, maybe it’s the manner of the defeat that has annoyed people. Maybe the fans expected all our players to put in a proper shift and that’s why people are annoyed.

5.) 11 Mar 2018 14:46:34
You knew they would beat us but thought we would win?

6.) 11 Mar 2018 15:01:50
A cannot remember city been the better team at anfeild at all! We was the better team and blew them away they only got back into it coz we got sloppy after going 4-1 mk.

7.) 11 Mar 2018 15:16:26
Well said MK. We all probably dislike Man Utd more than any other side on the planet. That's why a loss to them is hard to take. But we were out played in the first half and created little in the second even with loads of possession. We're still quality ladies and gents. We can still nick second and we'll probably meet Utd in CL quarters hopefully for a bit of payback.

8.) 11 Mar 2018 15:34:58
Great post that MK.

9.) 11 Mar 2018 15:36:32
Whereas it’s not fair to hang TAA out to dry, he’s a young player playing in a position that isn’t his natural position. It is fair to criticise supposed experienced players such as Lovren, who had another shocker and Milner who has no place playing centre midfield against top opposition and was as poor as he ever was. This is notwithstanding the utter buffoon of a ref who appeared to be working for his free Manchester United season ticket next season instead of the over generous salary he gets from The FA.

10.) 11 Mar 2018 16:11:09
How are we better? They are 5pts clear.

11.) 11 Mar 2018 16:12:12
Why did we not beat them at Anfield? It’s a typical reaction form you when we loose MK. You were raving of how we would beat them before the game. You said if they played anything like the Palace game we will smash 5 before half time.

A good lesson for you learn! Stop overhyping and underestimating the opposition.
How are we a better team? Care to explain? We have useless midfiled which contribute next to nothing going forward and back! Mark out the front three and we are like Southampton.

12.) 11 Mar 2018 16:18:08
Well said Mk, we lost by one goal, should have had a penalty. It was close. I think we will finish 3rd but I don't think 2nd 4th or sadly 5th is out of the question. We need to galvanise and get back to winning.

13.) 11 Mar 2018 16:31:20
Mk of course perspective is needed but how can you say the best team lost? They were much better than us. We didn't create one chance all game. De Gea didn't have to make any sort of save. It was so easy for them it was a little embarrassing. There was no point after we scored that we ever looked like we could nick a point.

The reality is we are not as good as you think. We lost to a very average Man U side who are 5 points above us in the league. There fans think they are having an average season but they are still doing better than we are.

The game just shows what most of us already know, we have a long long way to go if we are to challenge for the title. There is every chance we will not even get to the 76 point mark we got to last season. No matter how you dress that up it means no progress in the league has been made.

14.) 11 Mar 2018 18:05:16
Cobra, don't be deliberately ignorant. It was obvious I meant I knew this reaction would happen if we lost.

Hendo's Brother, where did I say City were the better team at Anfield? I said "they're" a better team. That is an abbreviation for "they are". I was blatantly saying they ARE a better team in general. Not on the day at Anfield.

Which brings me to my next reply. Markp08, I did not say we were better on the day. United clearly were even if their goals were against the run of play because they executed their game plan and we didn't. I said we "are" a better team, which I firmly believe will be reflected in the table after 38 games. I never said we "were" the better team.

Harry you've just made that all up so I'm not even going to waste my time debating with you when you have falsified quotes entirely. Don't lie. You are better than that.

I apologise in advance if English isn't any of your first languages.

15.) 11 Mar 2018 18:16:45
"6 Mar 2018 11:31:07
I still love the Kuyt 5 yard hat trick. What a game that was.  

I'm not as confident as you, but i do think we'll beat them! Crystal Palace outplayed them for about 70 minutes yesterday.

MK Scouser"

This was my only reply on the matter before the game to somebody who suggested we'd win big Harry. Clearly implied I did not feel fully confident we'd win, but that I thought we would. It was always going to be tight. Huge difference between predicting a win and feeling confident we'd beat them comfortably.

16.) 11 Mar 2018 18:40:35
Against the run of play, stunning.

17.) 11 Mar 2018 20:56:45
This page smashed UTD and their incompetency before the match and the only hurdle we had to overcome was DDG. You do realize they did not play both Pogba and Martial!

{Ed033's Note - i reckon if posters from this page formed a team they would smash Manchester United if they didn't play a goal keeper.



09 Mar 2018 12:36:07
Amazed to see people saying Can isn't good enough for Real Madrid.

I'm not saying he's world class, and his attitude stinks at times in this last year at Liverpool. He probably doesn't suit our style of play either to be fair.

However this is a 24 year old who has played 228 games for club and country playing RB, CB, LB, CDM or CM. He has been shifted from pillar to post and always done a job at a very high level. Just look at who he has played for! His managers have always tried to find a place in the team for him.

If Heynckes, Hyypia, Rodgers, Klopp and Lowe think he is good enough, why won't Zidane? There is at least 3 hugely respected coaches in that list.

This isn't some journeyman player. He is Champions League quality and if he got games for Munich, Leverkusen, Liverpool and Germany, believe me when I say he will get games at Real Madrid!

Liverpool has offered him a contract so Klopp obviously would like him to stay, but he is choosing to leave us to better himself (in his opinion) . I'm not hugely bothered by him leaving but that is because of the quality Liverpool has more than the quality Can doesn't have. Henderson, Keita and Ox are all more suited to our team, and equally good players.

MK Scouser

1.) 09 Mar 2018 13:02:26
I do agree with this, I think he'd do well at RM and if that's what he chooses to do good luck to the lad. He definitely would get games, some saying he wouldn't even make the bench, come off it.

Suddenly because its 99% certain he's leaving people act like he's not a good player, sour grapes? he's part of our great team he can quite easily be a part of RM's.

2.) 09 Mar 2018 13:11:44
It is only a couple of weeks ago you wanted him dropped for Mattie Virtue. You can't change your mind every month. He is not and never will be a top level midfield player. I have to admit at one stage a couple of years ago I thought he would improve into a great player, but he is limited technically and doesn't have good enough movement.

Let us see how many games in plays in the world cup. He might make the odd substitute appearance but that will be it at best.

3.) 09 Mar 2018 13:21:09
As you can see from my name im a fan of Can, don't see the Madrid link being true at all though. Because of his contract situation he's going to be linked to just about every big team in Europe. If it was true i think it would be a terrible career move for him though.

4.) 09 Mar 2018 13:21:31
Stopped reading after the first sentence Adam man. Can is no where near good enough for Real Madrid.
I mean unless they want to stop winning champion leagues and La Ligas.

5.) 09 Mar 2018 13:29:46
Markp08, you've paraphrased badly there mate. I wanted him dropped for a lack of effort. He was visibly coasting. I even had that exact discussion at the time with someone. Another poster argued with me that Can was trying his best but just isn't that good, and my argument was that he is very good but wasn't putting in any effort. I've never questioned his ability, only his commitment.

In recent weeks he has seemingly been trying harder so I've laid off of him a bit.

6.) 09 Mar 2018 13:38:11
A few weeks ago after the 2 defeats everyone wanted him dropped, including many that now think he is great. People need to stop changing opinions every few games.

7.) 09 Mar 2018 13:48:47
Im astounded Can is a regular in the Liverpool team. I would have him as back-up not a first teamer. He loses the ball way too often and has little impact in most games. He would do better in Italy where he would have more space and time.

8.) 09 Mar 2018 13:50:41
Ok MK I seem to recall the jist of it.

He needed to improve but he hasn't. If Klopp can't improve him I think he has reached his final level.

9.) 09 Mar 2018 13:53:55
I just don't see it. He's capable, good even, but he's a long way from great and Real are looking for great players.

If he was really top quality he would have established himself as first choice in our midfield by now and would be a game changer but he's just not at that level.

I'm fascinated to see where he'll end up but i won't be surprised if it's not a top club.

{Ed001's Note - has he not established himself as first choice in our 3 in the centre? He certainly seems to be Klopp's go to in there in most games.}

10.) 09 Mar 2018 13:54:22
Big Emre do you think he is better now than he was 2 years ago? He is still exactly the same for me.

11.) 09 Mar 2018 14:00:12
red lorry, I agree that he would be suited in a poor Italian league. But I disagree on the other point I think he is good enough for us this year. You can't say Gini or Milner are better.

12.) 09 Mar 2018 14:38:10
Emre Can brings something that none of our other midfielders does, he is playing for the best international team out there, and if we can't get him to sign a new contract, we need to go out and buy a player that can do the same job as he does.

13.) 09 Mar 2018 14:38:56
I like Can, he is a good player who can dominate games at times but other times he looks pretty shocking. I can't see him being a player Madrid would be interested in when he is so inconsistent. Only Can knows if he was coasting and lacking effort, which i doubt he was. Very easy to come out with such comments and very difficult to prove. Inconsistent? Yes but not lacking effort or motivation imo.

14.) 09 Mar 2018 14:43:14
Ed, I would say he plays more due to circumstance than he's established himself. If Coutinho was still here or if Lallana or Henderson hadn't had their injuries i think he'd get a lot less game time. Also, if Klopp doesn't see him as a starter next season to me that means he's not established, he's just filling a gap.

{Ed001's Note - if if if. Pointless talking about ifs. He plays more often than he doesn't, Klopp wanted him to stay. That is enough.}

15.) 09 Mar 2018 14:44:45
No worries Mark. You weren't far from the truth. I did say I wanted him dropped but it was purely because of a perceived lack of commitment. As a player, I think he's very good.

I also never said I wanted him dropped for Virtue. I said something along the lines of "I would even rather Virtue played because at least he'd put in effort".

I don't for one second think Virtue is the best alternative nor do I think he is a better player than Can. I was just frustrated that Can was playing so badly because I think if he applies himself he can be fantastic. He dominated Dr Bruyne at Anfield. That takes some doing!

16.) 09 Mar 2018 15:54:39
I think Can is a very good player but I don’t think he will ever be world class, if he goes to Madrid I don’t think he will last more than a couple of seasons there. If he leaves us I will be disappointed but not devastated.

17.) 09 Mar 2018 16:06:57
Ed, with the greatest respect the fact Klopp wants him to stay isn't the point. Klopp only sees him as a squad player which is why Can wants out, I'm basing this off of what you've told us. As I said in my first reply, Can's a decent player but I struggle to see him succeeding at a club like Real.

{Ed001's Note - ok.}

18.) 09 Mar 2018 17:02:00
I clearly remember when Can first joined us, I was very impressed. I loved the positive aggression, the powerful runs from the back 3 Rodgers had stuck him into, and his brutish never say die attitude. He could head the ball, make good tackles and rarely get bullied off the ball. And he'd pop in a decisive goal from inside or just outide the box, once in a while. I thought of him as future Captain material (and even posted it here) .

Four years later I have this sense of unachieved potential as far as his development is concerned. Maybe it's the regular changes in position by the two managers, maybe certain injuries, maybe he's still too young, maybe our style of play or maybe even the way he wants to play. I see him now as a player who is good in several areas but not really good in any one particular area. I also think that the gradually improving standard of our team, in the Klopp years, is probably why I am thinking the way I am. Can clearly likes the box to box role most because he likes the offensive aspect just as much as the defensive. But the moment Klopp signed Keita, it was always going to be near impossible to keep him beyond the contract. And I have a suspicion he will end up elsewhere in the EPL, otherwise he would have signed up with Juventus already by now. It's too risky to see what happens until after the World Cup. There is as much to lose as there is to gain, there.

19.) 09 Mar 2018 17:03:28
I prefer emre before lallana and wijnaldum.

20.) 09 Mar 2018 18:45:03
Can is a very good capable player. I agree with MK that a few months back he was coasting, but these last few months he has stepped up and been an important player. Personally I’d like him to stay, but if he goes and he goes to another top team and not an oil team then fair play to him.

21.) 09 Mar 2018 19:02:27
Ed01 correct me if I’m mistaken but I thought you said can wanted to go as klopp didn’t rate him? Again I might of got my wires crossed.

{Ed001's Note - he wants to go because he doesn't feel Klopp wants him as a first choice. However Klopp clearly does not want to use any of his midfielder in every game, which is what Can wants. Klopp wants to rotate and rest them.}

22.) 09 Mar 2018 19:11:06
Considering he's played 228 games, plays in this position and that position, rated by blah de blah, plays for Germany, wanted by all these 'superior' teams etc etc yadda yadda yadda, I still feel completely indifferent to him leaving or staying.

I just think if we came up against him, I wouldn't be scared by him or worried about his quality. We'd walk around him, pick off the passes he misplaces and utilise the space he often leaves behind.

He'd be ok for Juventus because they're more compact and slow. He wouldn't last long at Madrid as he doesn't possess the technical ability they require.

23.) 09 Mar 2018 19:17:41
Sadly football has become a business as well as a sport. If a top team can get a player like Emre can for free I think a lot of teams will go for it. I couldn't see him being worth less than 50mil in todays market, and I feel that is being Conservative. He is a top midfielder who is already playing at the top level, to say he "can't make it at top level" is stupid, he already plays for a good champions league team.

That said I don't think he is our best cm, I like hendo and Aoc better and milner and lallana on form are easily as dangerous as Emre but, and it's quite a big but, he is our only bruiser. It's sad for the purists out there but you need a "big man" in your midfield most of the time and Emre, like souness, can play well too (I'm not saying can is souness level, that would be daft)

I feel we will be losing someone who will go on to be regarded as one of the best centre midfielders in the world, I am surprised our German manager couldn't win him round. But if he goes then I won't start to hate him as long as he puts in 100% until that day, which I have to say, I'm not sure he is atm.

24.) 09 Mar 2018 22:04:42
Can isn't as good defensively as Casemiro, or as technically brilliant as Kroos or Modric.
However, I think he will bring a different dynamism to Madrid's midfield. Anyone that thinks he won't play IMO is simply bitter.
Emre is good, he will play.
Him leaving though doesn't disturb me much. With the way Ox has played and with Naby coming in, I'm comfortable.
The player we need to get a backup for, is Henderson. He's the one we miss when he isn't there.
If we get a Jorginho or similar type player, then we're good. And then a Meyer/ Lemar type to play in the midfield 3 or the attacking 3.
Instead of being bitter about Emre, let him go where he chooses and hope he plays well. Let's focus on those that will stay in the club.

25.) 09 Mar 2018 22:55:24
“Technically limited” like how? His passing is top class! He has a brilliant first touch much like other Germans. How on earth would he get into Real or Juventus is he is technically limited? You mean they are buying him coz he look so heavy?

26.) 09 Mar 2018 22:57:25
Can has had number of games to cement his place and he has failed.

Imagine getting a place in RM or Bayern. It isn't easy if you can't hold down a place here.

He was/ is an average player who got multiple opportunities as we lacked good players in that position and still has failed to convince. (cement his name as a starter)

So good luck to him wherever he goes.


27.) 09 Mar 2018 23:32:53
Dont worry people Keita is Can replacement. I will choose Keita 10 times before Can but i hope he stays.

28.) 10 Mar 2018 04:34:05
He doesn't play every week coz klopp rotates the cm position as he does all positions except up front.




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16 Mar 2018 12:31:41
Didn't we beat City without Coutinho?

I love being the under dog. This is not the draw i wanted before. However, this reaction is perfect! Everyone is writing us off. The Chsmpions league was made for under dogs and we have no pressure. People expect us to lose. They have huge pressure because they're expected to win, and their fans and older players want this more than anything else.

I can't wait. I hope we shatter their dreams. 8 European trophies. How many do City have? Even since they had all that money, We've still had more success in Europe with that runners up medal in 2016!

Anybody remember Klopp's first season when we drew the Europa League favourites, Dortmund and then lost the first leg? We still had the heart to pull through.


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15 Mar 2018 14:07:57
I'd expect Mignolet, Bogdan, Clyne, Flanagan, Randall, Williams, Can, Milner, Lallana, Matkovic, Sturridge and Origi.

Maybe one of Matip or Lovren. Possibly the likes of Ward, Moreno, Grujic, Ings, Kent, Ojo, Awoniyi and Allan.

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15 Mar 2018 11:03:53
Damn this thread. I spent all last night writing an article on this exact subject and I sent it in no less than 5 minutes ago!

Thunder, stolen 😂.

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06 Mar 2018 11:25:29
Cheers Ed. Not a lot been explained about Leitert's role so I was just curious. Thanks for the reply.

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26 Feb 2018 12:01:39
Agree Keith. Jorginho is the archetypal Deep Lying Playmaker. He is never a Defensive Midfielder though. He is too offensively minded and not selfless enough to sacrifice his natural game like Henderson does. I do really like Jorginho though and i would not be against signing him. If Klopp is a world class manager, he will find a way to fit Jorginho, Keita and Henderson into the same team.

Whenever Napoli face a team who attack with numbers though, they sacrifice Jorginho for Diawara which says it all to me. Jorginho can't protect his defence against top opposition, and Napoli have a much better defence than we do!

However, give Jorginho freedom like PSG sometimes do with Veratti in a deeper role, and he can dismantle teams with his sublime vision and technical ability. We tried a deep lying playmaker who couldn't defend with Gerrard and it cost us a league title in the end as we conceded 50 goals and he fell over 🤦🏻 it doesn't work in the Premier League. For a midfielder to contribute defensively they need tenacity or defensive awareness and physicality or energy. Either a Kante type with the awareness and energy, or a Fernandinho type with the tenacity and physicality. Jorginho has energy but utilises it more to influence the game offensively. He's not going to help out defensively in the Premier league in my opinion. In fact he'd protect the defence far less than even Henderson or Can do. Hendo has the energy and awareness, and Can has the tenacity and physicality.

There was a big discussion about this not long ago but i can't remember where. It was either an Italian football expert or an ex-pro i think, and they explained the logic behind why Pirlo plays deeper even though he can't defend. Basically, the DM area of the pitch is where a midfield player has the most time and space. So it became common in Italian football to put your best passer there where they would have more time to pick out a runner and find them with a long range pass, without being pressurised or constantly fouled. That is why Jorginho plays deep; because he is the best passer at Napoli by far. Not because he can even remotely protect the defence. He might as well have not been there when Man City had the ball. They were strolling straight through him.

However, I'd rather have Jorginho than any of Milner, Wijnaldum or Lallana in one of the more offensive midfield roles in our system. I think he'd be able to completely control the play there without having to worry about covering the centre backs. He can also unlock a deep defence because the weight on his through balls is just inch perfect. Great player but I'd fear for us if he played in front of our shoddy backline.

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20 Mar 2018 20:35:48
Thanks everyone. I really care about how I'm perceived by others; perhaps too much at times. So I'm thankful people could forgive what I said. I had no idea I was like that.

Kopite68, it is a very long and hard journey mate. I'd say it is only really the last 6-12 months I've felt truly better after about 7 years of suffering. I'm really sorry to hear about your loss by the way. My advice to anyone suffering with mental health issues? Go to see a counsellor. They really are amazing people. No amount of medication can replicate the help they provide. Well done for overcoming your own pride to apologise too mate.

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20 Mar 2018 16:21:17
Thanks for accepting the general apology lads. I know you were joking Jimmy, but I couldn't read that back and not apologise. Couple of things I said clearly crossed the line and ultimately, Malak was right about Salah and I wasn't! Having said that, nobody else was on Malak's side either so fair play to him for standing up to the masses. He literally said that by 24/ 25 years old, Salah would be in the top 5 players in the world. Psychic 👊.

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20 Mar 2018 15:16:49
I vaguely remembered the discussion enough to be able to find it on the search function. Wow, what an embarrassing and nasty tool I was in 2014. I can only ask Malak and anyone else I spoke to like that to forgive me. I was a different person back then in an abusive relationship struggling hugely with depression. Doesn't excuse the way I spoke to some posters though. I'm genuinely disgusted with myself. I can't even remember writing those things. In fact I can't remember much at all about those years of my life and now I've read that, thank god! I'm so sorry though.

I've not seen Malak post for a long time but if you are still reading buddy, you showed me! I never dreamt Salah would become this good back then. I also apologise in general for the way I behaved as a teenager. Really was not necessary. I'm sorry for the Eds as well who had to audit my vitriol. I can't believe that I wrote that. I'm deeply ashamed and I hope people can see I'm not that person anymore.

You are 100% right Jimmy, I really do need to apologise for that. Not for being wrong per se, but for the complete and utter lack of class I displayed.

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20 Mar 2018 12:13:25
You are welcome mate. And thank you. His composure is remarkable for such a young player, but because of how comfortable he is on the ball, he tends to hold on just a touch longer than he needs to, and thus is guilty of over thinking his options.

He was amazing for the England youth team last summer. Definitely one for the future.

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20 Mar 2018 09:22:56
Decision making is particularly poor. Great first touch, good dribbling skills, puts in the dirty work, crisp passer, but a little bit weak in the challenge (especially in the air) . If he learns when and where to pass he has all the tools to be a top 6 player but he isn't ready just yet. Another season playing regularly will stand him in good stead.

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