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10 Mar 2017 19:39:21
Not sure on the Chamberlain rumours.

He is clearly a very talented player and seems to be one of the more passionate Arsenal players. He was the only guy who turned up against Bayern. He is very versatile able to play basically any role in our team ahead of Henderson. At only 23 it is very typical of English football that he has already been written off. He has sublime technical ability, great balance and can produce moments of magic on rare ocacssions.

However, there are clearly some things to worry about. His end product for one is truly terrible at times. He can go past 4 or 5 players and then put his cross on the roof of the net! Frustrating is an understatement. What truly gets alarm bells ringing though has to be his injury record. He is out for about half of every season, normally.

Torn on this rumour. To be fair he is allegedly a Liverpool fan and very good friends with Henderson so maybe it makes sense if Can and Milner leave. He could be a versatile impact sub in their place. You have to wonder if it is worth the risk though. Milner although being 8 years older is arguably just as good and can additionally cover both full back positions, but just as importantly is never injured. I'm sure this rumour will split opinion, but I am undecided for now.

MK Scouser

1.) 10 Mar 2017 21:00:31
Me too could end up being brilliant or an injury prone burden but would take him for 8 mill or some sort of swap deal with studge.


2.) 10 Mar 2017 21:18:52
He's not good enough and injury prone.


3.) 10 Mar 2017 22:07:29
There are better options out there.


4.) 10 Mar 2017 22:14:18
Oxs would be perfect for us he could play in the Lallana role of outwide but I don't know if he gets in the team.


5.) 10 Mar 2017 22:23:06
His attitude on the pitch is sublime, just what every fan wants to see, maybe not the big money game changing signing but I'm not sure that's klopps philosophy. He is the type of player that lifts people around him and that's priceless. If klopp worked with him I'd imagine ox is the type of player that would go to war for JK. Could be an inspired signing.


6.) 10 Mar 2017 22:15:59
MK the amount of times Klopp has left me with egg on my face and eating humble pie Im getting sick of the stuff lol. I wouldn't judge any decision of Klopps until a fair assessment can be made. If Klopp feels he can work with Gotze again, if Klopp thinks he can better manage the Ox I'll reserve my judgement until after a season or two. All this pie and i don't even like pastry :-P.


7.) 10 Mar 2017 22:16:59
How can you say he is "not good enough" though? He is 23 years old and has never had a chance to progress due to injuries. At 23 years old most people wanted Carragher sold. At 23 years old Sturridge had been rejected by Man City and Chelsea.

Chamberlain is a very talented player, with a lot of potential. The gamble is not whether he is good enough, it is whether he can finally stay fit and find consistency. Both of which are fairly related.

I have no doubt that on his game, 100% fit he is good enough for our team. How often will that happen though? That is the real question here.


8.) 10 Mar 2017 22:19:00
Maybe I'm watching a different player but Oxlade is a bang average player. Hasn't got electric pace enough to be a threat out wide, his delivery is poor and hasn't the guile to be a number 10 and he lacks the intelligence and physical attributes to play in centre midfield. He can go to City, Chelsea or United as far as I'm concerned.


9.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:31
We don't need another running midfielder MK. We have it in with Wiji and Lallana. We need a deep lying midfielder.


10.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:48
He's still a young lad.
Best is yet to come from him.


11.) 10 Mar 2017 23:10:11
His attitude stinks. Remember that little strop he threw on the field in the first leg against Bayern? Sorry but I only want players who are fully committed, with a good attitude and will not strop on the field.


12.) 11 Mar 2017 01:14:11
Not for me thanks.


13.) 11 Mar 2017 01:22:10
Da Red man that strop showed nothing but his commitment. He tried to close down 3 passes with no help from the rest of team who had given up.

Don't think we need him though.


14.) 11 Mar 2017 01:27:39
Daredman you know why he did that because no one was trying to get the bull back with him . Oxs would be a good signing there's a player in him it just needs to be unlock.

I remember people saying hendo and Lallana are bang average look at them now.

People did not what mane because of his attitude and have we seen anything bad from mane

And if you let him go to a rival and do well you look really silly.

Have we got a replace for Lallana because I have not seen one in are team . Gini naver like him

I'm not saying he should be a top target but if you can get him for 15-20mil you can't go wrong.


15.) 11 Mar 2017 01:28:19
Would rather some of our youngsters get a chance than injury prone new signings.


16.) 11 Mar 2017 09:28:48
Problem is can he stay fit?

How does he stay fot in a klopp team thag works harder than almost any other?


17.) 11 Mar 2017 10:08:59
He's injury prone, has shown little development since bursting onto the scene (albeit this has been hampered by injuries), he seems to lack game intelligence and rarely makes a big mark on the game. I'm not really sure what he would offer or if he would be of the required quality (even if he stayed injury free) and, on top of what would have to be seen as a huge gamble, he would not come cheap either.
If the club is to be smart about its recruitment, and get real bang for their buck, then they must invest the money far more wisely than in a player like Oxlaide Chamberlain. We need to improve our recruitment in terms of money spent and quality - Chamberlain represents a huge gamble and one I don't think we are in the position to take. I our money was limitless a la City then we would have more leeway - as it stands we simply cannot afford to be taking big risks and that is exactly what a move for Oxlaide Chamberlain would be.


18.) 11 Mar 2017 15:19:04
You lost me at "ahead of Henderson" Pure nonsense that!

You then further lost me by then saying he could be a "versatile impact sub"!

Contradicting much?

He'd pad out the squad giving us another option off the bench but he's no starter.


19.) 11 Mar 2017 15:59:43
I look at it this way: Is he going to improve our first team? No. Is he going to start ahead of our first choice 11? No. At Arsenal, he has been played wide and in a central role, so not a specialist but bit of a squad player (potential or not) .

Add his injury issues, and that fact that he is English (over-hyped and over-priced), and it looks like a transfer we probably should avoid.


20.) 11 Mar 2017 17:18:36
That's a good argument Seano. I cannot say I disagree.


21.) 11 Mar 2017 21:25:20
Mind bender I think you misread my post. I mean he can play in any position further forward than defensive midfield. Not instead of Henderson. Hence my suggestion that he could be versatile cover or an impact player.

AG I would say that when fit and on form he would be knocking on the door to start ahead of Lallana. That is why I am querying his fitness and consistency though because it is so unreliable. I'm only instigating a debate buddy. Like I say, I'm pretty indifferent on the subject. I don't think he would be the worst signing but as you rightly point out, him being English will inflate his price; even with only a year on his contract. So there is probably better value elsewhere.

Somebody else used the phrase already, but Chamberlain is the personification of a gamble.


22.) 12 Mar 2017 11:51:21
Think Chamberlain would be a very shrewd signing and would probe a lot of people wrong.


23.) 12 Mar 2017 16:46:19
Chamberlain just isn't worth wasting the money on. If it wasn't for the fact he was English he wouldn't even be a £10 million player. We would be better off signing Brandt as he's got more potential and even now is a far superior footballer. If it's simply a matter of choosing a winger because he's 'English', we may as well do our annual trip to Southampton and buy Redmond.


24.) 13 Mar 2017 17:42:52
He wants to play te box to box role, he actually had a very good run at it whenFlamini was't good enough after re signing for Arsenal, and coquelin was out. He didn't show enough for me then to suggest he'd make it. He's a wide player for Asernal when most ohters are fit, and atm, he's been overtaken by Iwobi. I said before if we're getting an arsenal player for a central role, I'd rather it be Ramsey wo for me is much more accomplished.


 

 

01 Mar 2017 18:47:55
There are rumours about now that we will try and sign Francesco Cassata in the summer. He is by all accounts a great young midfielder but that's all I know of him.

MK Scouser

 

 

26 Feb 2017 09:58:02
Helder Costa is apparently of interest. He fits the profile; fast left winger with a good goal return.

He tore us to pieces earlier in the season and has been directly involved in 18 goals this season for a struggling Wolves side (20th in the Championship) .

What are peoples thoughts on him? At 23 years old he is probably more first team ready than the likes of Brandt or Malcom. Plus he is already settled into England and English football so could probably hit the ground running.

It all looks good on paper, but I have only seen him play 3 times so not really got a lot in the way of seeing him play to make a judgement.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - I have watched him a few times now and he does not impress me. Great ability on the ball, but chooses the wrong option every single time. One of those head down and run until it gets taken off him or he launches it into row Z. Then he will get the ball right once and it is a goal. So he is capable. Reminds me a little of a slower but more skilful Aaron Lennon to be honest.}


1.) 26 Feb 2017 10:29:15
Got to say Ed, I watched his highlight reels shortly after posting this and my exact thought was "this guy is like the Portuguese Sterling". He looked so hell bent on not releasing the ball and that is just his 'best' bits!

If this mornings rumours are true we are interested in him as a summer signing. As good as he was at Anfield, after watching his highlights and hearing your opinion I am not overly optimistic!

{Ed001's Note - I have made a point of watching Wolves in recent weeks as quite a few people were looking at him, I would not be keen on him at the cost he would be. Plus his agent, Mendes. Seems a nice guy in person, but he is a proper superagent that knows how to maximise his players' earning potential. Not the kind of man you want to deal with, as you will not win in a deal like that.}


2.) 26 Feb 2017 10:53:57
Do we gave interest then ed?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, it wasn't our interest that made me take a look, it was Everton's, as they were taking a long look at him prior to the January window.}


3.) 26 Feb 2017 11:08:49
If we actually wanted to sign him, wouldn't it have been better to deal directly with Benfica before he made his move permanent to Wolves last month?

{Ed001's Note - yep.}


4.) 26 Feb 2017 13:10:25
While U've been watching wolves ed how has Conor coady been doing?

{Ed001's Note - ok, he has been moved to right back and does well there. Some of his crossing has been excellent, though wasted as Lambert doesn't exactly overload the box. Not done too badly defensively either. Could do with better players alongside him in defence though, their centre halves are abysmal.}


5.) 26 Feb 2017 15:06:25
Ive watched him a lot this season as i go to the home games when i can and in my opinion he is not good enough for us especially at the high price wolves would want i think he should stay at wolves until end of next season and than if he continues to improve he will get a big move.


6.) 27 Feb 2017 06:44:54
Tearing our defence to pieces do not mean you're good enough to tear proper defences to pieces.


7.) 27 Feb 2017 20:12:09
Ron,
Nearly wet myself at that reply.


 

 

25 Feb 2017 18:48:45
Ed001, you said earlier your priority would be a centre back to partner Matip. Do you know if the club are looking at any in particular? I have only seen lazy journalism surrounding Virgil Van Dijk and Jonathon Tah.

Is it possible Klopp plans to use Gomez after a full pre season to get him fit?

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - Gomez is seen as the long term future, but the intention is to use him in cups and as full back cover in the short term. I do expect us to try and pick up another centre back, as the club have been scouting centre halves during the season. A replacement for Sakho is the plan. To that end both those players have been looked at, though both are almost certainly out of reach pricewise.}


1.) 25 Feb 2017 22:35:21
Cheers Ed001, I know it was mentioned that we asked about Nacho of Madrid. Perhaps he is more in our budget!


2.) 26 Feb 2017 00:39:17
Might be a stupid question, but when you say out of reach pricewise, surely you mean more than we'd want to pay for them, not more than we can afford, right? As in, they're priced (much) higher than what we think they're worth. Otherwise, what's the point in wasting our time scouting them?

{Ed001's Note - I don't understand what difference it makes, nor do I understand what you mean by 'wasting our time scouting them' when you scout for more reasons than buying someone. If we play his team, then any information the scouts have gathered about the players is useful. They might have spotted a weakness to be exploited.}


3.) 26 Feb 2017 07:24:13
Spartan, the owners have always maintained that if a player is available and his price can be justified then we will pay it. Considering we have spent £35m on Carroll, Firmino and Mane during their ownership I think it's fair to say they have put their money were there mouth is. Not to mention £20-30m on Lallana, Downing, Suarez, Sakho, Lovren, Markovic, Wijnaldum etc. Especially when you consider that they have had to write off a massive debt LFC owed to FSG and pay off circa £1m a week in losses we were making when they first bought the club. Yet they have still ploughed more money into expanding the stadium, or tying Klopp down to a monster contract.

Therefore I would deduce that if a player is out of our price range it simply means that they are valued at a price higher than can be justified or essentially higher than what we think they are worth. I am not going to complain at the club refusing to overpay! That's just smart, sustainable business behaviour.


4.) 26 Feb 2017 09:09:57
Yeah that's what I thought. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - sorry that reads harsher than I meant it to. It was not meant to sound so dismissive. I just don't often have time to read back through what I type and make it read like it should do.}


5.) 26 Feb 2017 10:13:07
No need to apologize! I understood what you were saying. Thanks for all you do for us!

{Ed001's Note - cheers for being understanding.}


6.) 26 Feb 2017 14:01:12
Ed, who centre back we are scouting?

{Ed001's Note - there are a lot we have looked at. Seems the ones favoured are a pair from the Bundesliga, though I have no idea on the likelihood of either at the moment. Nastasic and Dragovic.}


7.) 26 Feb 2017 14:11:15
We managed to sign Matip who wasn't too pricey at all and I guess is down to good scouting. Hopefully we can find and sign another player like this who is not on everyone else's radar.


8.) 26 Feb 2017 20:17:07
Jorge mere please.


 

 

18 Dec 2016 11:29:14
Hi Eds, not seen it mentioned for a while now. Where do we stand with regards to recruiting more firepower up top?

I don't for one second think Pulisic is a realistic option and you have answered this sufficiently. I'm more inclined to believe the Azmoun or Promes rumours. Azmoun is only contracted for 2 more years, and Promes is openly available for an albeit hefty price tag. Scrolled right down the page and couldn't find any recent updates. My apologies if I am asking you to repeat yourselves.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - why believe any? Azmoun has been watched, but that's all.}


 

 

 

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04 Mar 2017 20:36:32
Firmino and Lallana had great games today. It is so frustrating!

They play so well occasionally that you don't want to drop them and the don't show up for games against lesser sides.

I think for Firmino he has so much quality and age on his side. Lallana though needs to massively up his consistency to keep his place or next season in my opinion. He was good tonight but his end product was still found wanting.

Great result though. Just a shame it makes all these guys undroppable against Burnley where they will probably coast and lose again knowing this season!

MK Scouser

1.) 04 Mar 2017 22:13:11
Lallana even when ''poor''has often been the bes tplayer on the pitch, some people just have agendas from 2 years back. when he has movement in front of him he releases it, when he doesn'the takes his ''too many touches'' in search of a viable unmarked option (which many people don't get. ) when those around him bother, Lallana willplay it, sadly those around him haven't bothered. He has always done his defensive duties, sotat's never been a problem. He aong with Mane are the only 2 who genuinely should be vying for the player of the season titles.


2.) 04 Mar 2017 23:09:51
If we sort out the defence we have a team.


3.) 04 Mar 2017 23:35:39
No doubt Lallana is a good player. He single handedly dismantled Middlesbrough earlier this season.

He then follows that with 2 months without a goal or assist though. It us only his consistency holding him back. He cannot be considered for player of the season after a good first 18 games. That's half a season. Even for our third goal today he nearly wasted the chance taking about 10 touches. Origi was very nearly offside trying to hold his run.

I like Lallana a lot. He is vital to our press and would be hard to improve on if we signed a replacement. He just needs to show up every week all season.


4.) 05 Mar 2017 00:35:50
Lallana checked his pass and did a turn to allow origi to get back on side, I thought he showed great awareness for the goal.


5.) 05 Mar 2017 00:44:01
What that was fabulous what lallana did for the 3rd goal.

Was so good. Touch. run. beats a man. outside of foot pass.


6.) 05 Mar 2017 01:15:08
Problem with Lallana is can you count on him to play out of his skin when its not a big game. Needs to be more consistent for me.


7.) 05 Mar 2017 11:58:44
The trick with Lallana is to play him in the right place, centre of the park, not shove him out on the wing. Yesterday he was in the right place = great performance and a good result. Simples.


 

 

28 Feb 2017 14:48:25
Come on people. We are going through a bad patch right now but perspective is needed. Yesterday morning everyone on here was bleating about the disgusting sacking of Ranieri, and how he should've been given time. Fast forward 24 hours and now we want our own gaffer sacked.

Give the bloke a chance. Liverpool have been a mid table team since 2010. Simple as that. Klopp inherited an average side and we all started piling on unrealistic expectations after a couple of miraculous cup runs last season.

Realistically speaking, last seasons Europa league run was littered with lucky results or last gasp victories. I think we only just beat Augsburg 1-0 over two legs!

Klopp is working to the best we can realistically expect. Our squad is vastly over rated. We don't have a solid keeper though hopefully Karius or Ward can become that. We don't have a solid right back, but with any luck Arnold is on the rise. We have 1 above average centre back in Matip. We don't have a left back. We have about 20 midfielders, but still don't have a pair or trio which work well without Henderson as the glue. We have about 10 forwards but half of them are injury prone, a third of them don't fit the style of play, and we only have one player comfortable out wide.

I keep reading that the squad doesn't need an overhaul but to be honest, it really does. Our best players this season have been Matip, Henderson, Wijnaldum and Mane. 3 of those guys were signed by Klopp. He will get this team performing if we let him. You don't just jump from 6-9th to winning the league unless it is an absolute freak scenario. We don't have the players or the infrastructure to dine at the same table as Chelsea, City and United (who have won trophies for fun in the last 10 years) .

Ed002 laughs at the word transition, but if we are honest the club is in transition and has been for years. It has gone on for so long though with muppets making big decisions that we now find ourselves cut adrift. We can climb back to the top, but barring a fluke season like what Leicester had, we are a long way off a league title, and even further from sustainable success. We are about 2 years behind Spurs on a very similar journey back to the top.

Learn to live with the fact that we will lose games and go on long good or bad runs. Because it takes a long time to build something that is sustainable. I fully believe Klopp will be here for the next 5 years, but I would not be surprised if it takes him the remainder of his contract before he wins a league title, and by then he will probably be ready to pass his dynasty on to Pepjin Linders or maybe even Steven Gerrard (hinging on his success as a coach) .

Last night was pathetic and I am not defending the team, but it was also nothing we haven't seen regularly since 2010; arguably 1990. So "get over it" is the short version of this post!

MK Scouser

1.) 28 Feb 2017 15:02:57
Difference being, he led them to the premier league and they are still in the champions league, with a chance of going through, what has klopp actually achieved? Even Rodgers did a better job, and kenny won a cup,


2.) 28 Feb 2017 15:03:08
Yawn, MK on his horse again.

Klopp is a good manager, I like him, but he's got a LOT wrong recently. The burden lies with him alone, he did not strengthen where it was required and took the players away for a summer training camp. I am yet to be convinced in Gigi in the middle, ones thing for sure, him and Can do not work. Lucas was grossly outmatched.

Klopp has been for to slow to enact changes to alter game outcomes. which shows when he brings on''game changing subs on the 80th minute 2 goals down) for some reason he kept going with the highline that was exposed incredibly early on. I;ve monitored on here, not too many asking for him to be sacked TBH.

The club is not in transition, we needed 4 good signings, he got karius (not what we needed) ditched a LB, kept Lovren and got Gigi, the squad was NOT improved. This lies at his feet, as do the tactics.


3.) 28 Feb 2017 15:15:01
MK, I agree with most of your post, we will find it difficult to finish in the top six, tho, we have some home games to try and get some very important points .
But, Klopp is very much overated in my view, he has 3 transfer windows to sort out our leaky defence,
we have one of the worst goalies in the League, we have a back four, a right winger at left back, a slow short midfielder at centre back, a right back who would not get into most other sides in the League, we have so many nice midfielders with no bite, we have no striker who can give us 20 goals per season, we have a manager who has no plan B or C,
beaten by Burnley, Bouremouth, Swansea, Hull, Leicester, Wolves, and Southampton twice,
2017, 12 games, 6 Losses, 4 Draws and 2 Wins,
3 clean sheets, 11 goals for, 16 goals against,
a shambles,
so yes, we should finish about 6th or 7th, that's were we are, so, not sure were we go from here, but we won't have much money for the next transfer window, , unless we sell a couple of these so called star players, we need to do something,
but will Klopp be man enough to do it .


4.) 28 Feb 2017 16:57:15
And who would take over klopp? Pardew? Klopp can only do so much I blame the players. They put in no effort last night they're to blame. The main culprits being clyne and can, both really poor.


5.) 28 Feb 2017 17:26:52
Chilean I will ignore the personal attack because I really cannot be bothered with you getting yet another one of my posts deleted! Let's be civil in debate.

Where in this post have I said Klopp is not to blame? All I have said is he needs time to get it right, which is pretty obvious that I therefore think he is getting it wrong currently!

He has made a few clangers in the market; Karius, Caulker, Klavan and Grujic are clearly not first team upgrades. Karius and Grujic have time on their side but that is besides the point. We needed instant improvements. We have loads of potential. Is Grujic or Karius better than Brannagan or Ward? I think not. Wasted money.

Additionally, Klopp is massively reliant on Henderson; Another point I mentioned above. Without Hendo he cannot put together a functional midfield despite us having a plethora of options. Maybe his options are not suiting what he wants, but it is down to him to get the best from what he has. He isn't right now.

Additionally, his loyalty to Firmino, Lallana and Coutinho even when they are in dire form is costing us. Why not play a diamond with Origi and Mane up top? Things aren't working but he just perseveres with it for 2 months.

I am not saying he is absolved of any blame. I am simply pointing out the hipicrosy on here. Ranieri got sacked and we all blamed his players. Klopps team is not applying themselves against lesser opposition, yet we blame Klopp for that? Sorry, doesn't wash with me.

If we change managers again, it will just be another 7 years of transition. We picked Klopp, we were all happy with it, now stop whining and support him. Simple as that. There is no high horse here, it is just common sense mate!


6.) 28 Feb 2017 15:29:29
I can't disagree with Ed002 and his assessment of Klopp and his tactics and basically everything else he tells us. Why? Because he tells us BEFORE it happens then hey presto, he gets it right again. He told us about Klopp being ok but not a great coach, he told us about his style of play being "found out" in Germany and how it wasnt sustainable for a whole season and he is being proven right again. He is also right about other teams not needing TRANSITION, Adam and again he is right. Its a joke, the teams a joke and i am peed off with it all.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, no one is 100% perfect, but Ed002 is the closest currently alive entity on Earth to it.


7.) 28 Feb 2017 17:56:22
The club is in transition when ever we loose and on a ride when ever we win. The perspective eyes come when you loose a game and the insight and optimism when you win.
Along with the club the fans are also in transition. Some back in the 80's still referring to how Fergie took 8 years to win a cup and some in the 90's.


8.) 28 Feb 2017 18:50:11
So who do we replace him with then rover?


9.) 28 Feb 2017 21:17:18
so mk you basically went on to highlight just a lot of Klopps wrong decisions this year. I don't buy that Lallana has dipped. I know a few believe in what a certain some one says on him till they die.

Lallana hasn't changed his game, even in losses he still does the doney work the defensive work, he holds on to the ballbecause frankly there's no decent movement ahead of him.

It's a shame Klopp acted the way he did on tour with Sakho, yes sakho acted a little unprofessional, but a lot of the fall out for me lay at klopps feet too. If we had sakho this year instead of Lovren (hell even kolo) we'd be much better off.

I thinkt he blame being laid bare at some players is silly. Klopps gotten tactics VERY VERY wrong. highlines when deep ones were required, not altering formations, leaving subs coming on till too late. none of that's players fault. Sticking rigidly with the 433 that's getting exposed everytime hendo doesn't play. He had his chance to strengthen in the summer, He bought a flop for me in Gigi who's had 2 good games.

This isn't to say I think Klopp should be sacked, but this squad is very much his, he had the funds in the summer. he's had 2 winter windows. I haven't really seen a great many calling for his sacking though which is why i think your reaction is an overraction. We tend to get these 'philisophical' points from you without any real meaning. I said since December and got laughed off this board saying it was more than a 'bad run' which it clearly is.

People defending Ranieri for me are idiots. When the players won't play for you, you have to go, many of the pundits defending Ranieri, were scolding of Mourinho when Hazard et al downed tools and said he had to go, and they were no where near as bad as what leicester are. let's not forget, the Premiership is worth a lot more than champions league football and championship. The overreaction if it occurred was not in the criticism of Klopp, but the defense of Ranieri.


10.) 01 Mar 2017 18:29:55
Spot on, Chileanred per Ranieri. Finally, someone who wasn't shocked he got the chop. Ranieri coached the players, signed the players who have come in and done nothing, prepared the team for the season knowing full well that as champions, every team would be out to get them YET from the first game vs Hull where they were outplayed and outfought, he still couldn't figure it out till he was sacked. I always knew he would get the chop cos he faile to instill the players with discipline and the stomach to fight especially with Kante gone and Mahrez taking the whole season off cos he wasn't allowed to leave. He got sacked cos that's football and will always be football. Players win games and coaches lose them. You can't sack the players and you can't drop a coach for one game and recall him afterwards. CR is in the best position to know that as he's been in the game at the highest level at big clubs for 30 years.

People making it sound like the players betrayed him are having a laugh. If he's getting credit for the PL win, he should get the blame or the boot if he can't hack it anymore. That's it. The pundits target who they want based on bias.


 

 

27 Feb 2017 06:52:02
Ed001 when I saw you say we were interested in Nastasic I was pretty surprised. Left sided centre back, sure. But his time at City was underwhelming. Had a look into his season with Schalke though. Make of this what you will.

With Nastasic: (23 games)
13 wins, 5 draws, 5 defeats
19 goals conceded

Without Nastasic: (10 games)
3 wins, 2 draws, 5 defeats
12 goals conceded

Just to ease any injury concerns by the way only 4 of the games he missed were injury related.

Not going to say that these stats prove anything, but it does point towards a positive influence from Nastasic on his Schalke team. It has somewhat eased my concerns but I still remember the 20 year old Bambi on ice that didn't even look comfortable next to Kompany!

I must admit I haven't watched Schalke at all this season seeing as the Europa/ Champions League have sold their souls as well now. Has anybody on here seen them at all this season, and be willing to give on opinion?

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{Ed001's Note - he has come a long way since he left City and got to a club with proper coaching.}


1.) 27 Feb 2017 07:39:21
I actually never saw him as bad tbh. Bambi on ice? he's a very techinal cb. super good on the ball.

Think part of the problem was he was playing alongaide savic (who unlike now was terrible then)

Times a great thing with young players.

City are spending 50 mil near enouvh on cbs each summer and the two thwy let go savic and natastic. One is playing for athletico madrid and the ither could he coming back into a rivals defence.

Maybe give our young olayers a little bit more time 😉.


2.) 27 Feb 2017 09:38:27
Given that savic left as soon as nastasic arrived, i imagine it would have been hard for them to struggle alongside one another🙃🙃

Nastasic is a good shout. Has been in england before, has had the character to improve his game in the same way as alderweireld, probably speaks a fair bit of german and english - seems like an ideal candidate, especially being left footed to play alongside matip.

I'd personally love us to look at tah or martinez as well, and wouldn't rule out scott dann. I know he is getting on and many will say he isn't good enough but i feel liverpool taking a chance on him could give us the solidity and character we need sorely in our defence.


3.) 27 Feb 2017 09:38:27
Given that savic left as soon as nastasic arrived, i imagine it would have been hard for them to struggle alongside one another🙃🙃

Nastasic is a good shout. Has been in england before, has had the character to improve his game in the same way as alderweireld, probably speaks a fair bit of german and english - seems like an ideal candidate, especially being left footed to play alongside matip.

I'd personally love us to look at tah or martinez as well, and wouldn't rule out scott dann. I know he is getting on and many will say he isn't good enough but i feel liverpool taking a chance on him could give us the solidity and character we need sorely in our defence.


4.) 27 Feb 2017 11:18:09
If it were me, I would try and tempt Lucas Hernandez with a pay rise and first team football.

Great left centre back with Champions League experience at only 21. Probably be massively expensive though, and no doubt LFC isn't Interested.

{Ed002's Note - Zero interest and won't be moving to Liverpool.}


5.) 27 Feb 2017 12:11:01
Thought as much Ed002 haha, cheers for clarifying anyway.


6.) 27 Feb 2017 12:38:37
City are developing quite a record for destroy young talented CBs, they give them no time to settle, mature and learn, just look at the list of players, Boateng, Nastasic, Savic, Mangala, and I'm certain Stones will be added to that list.


7.) 27 Feb 2017 12:47:11
If the context of the post is wether we are brining a new CB. I would highly doubt it tbh. Much will depend on whether the club is in talks over a new deal with Lovren then we can put this one off permanently.


8.) 27 Feb 2017 15:20:36
Nastasic wasn't even that bad of a player for City, barely got a decent run of games and he was what 19 at the time, being hrown in when Kompany was injured and often having to play alongside Lescott the donkey.


9.) 27 Feb 2017 16:03:16
True scarface except stones isn't talented in the slightest imo.


10.) 27 Feb 2017 16:11:34
FLMAO Schalke are the new Southampton.
We no where have 2 feeder clubs 👍.

Matip, Kolasinac, Nastasic.

I'm not complaining, Nastasic and Kolasinac would be great signings IMO.


11.) 27 Feb 2017 21:13:18
Why can't it be both, Harry? We can bring in a CB and still give Lovren a new contract. Nastasic is a very good shout and is very experienced and talented even during his City days. If we are interested in him then I say, give it a go. He is very calm and cool in possession, great passer out of the back and has definitely improved playing alongside Naldo at Schalke.


12.) 27 Feb 2017 23:30:04
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26 Feb 2017 07:56:55
So Ed002, you predicted 3-1 to Chelsea with a touch of offside about Swansea's goal.

How on earth did you do that? Absolutely spot on :O

You got the lottery numbers?

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{Ed002's Note - I do thanks.}


1.) 26 Feb 2017 10:27:58
The sad part is he predicted a 2-2 draw for us 😎.


2.) 27 Feb 2017 12:48:43
Care to share ed002? (Lottery)

{Ed002's Note - It would be wrong for me to encorage gambling Ron, so no.}


3.) 27 Feb 2017 16:02:28
It's not a gamble if you know the numbers 😉.


 

 

25 Feb 2017 12:40:05
It's clear to see Klopp would like to sign another winger in the summer.

I think it is slightly alarming for Wilson and Ojo. They are both 19 and yet when you look at where our interest lies you have Pulisic (18 years), Brandt (20 years) and Malcom (19 years) .

Woodburn at 17, it is safe to say has time on his side at the club. Hopefully we keep Wilson and Ojo to develop in the u23's though or even find them some well planned loans. All players develop at different rates. We don't want another Suso situation where we let a player go far too soon.

I think Brandt is probably the best of the 3, but Malcom may represent the best value for money. Strangely enough though, I have a feeling we will eventually go for Pulisic. Intrigued to see how things develop though on this front.

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1.) 25 Feb 2017 12:59:54
The other thing is what about young Ryan Kent?

Just turned 20 years old, and has been a great player for Barnsley this season, playing 35 times all on the left wing, scoring 2 and assisting 2. Could argue he deserves a chance before we effectively replace him.

Even Lazar Markovic may earn the right of re-consideration before the season is out.

Lots of thinking for Klopp to do!


2.) 25 Feb 2017 13:00:23
I would buy another winger but not someone of the same age or level as wilson and ojo, mane was 24 and more mature whennwe bought him, fed up of us replacing our own youngsters with other youngstwrs from other clubs, who are practically at the same level, but they got a chance!


3.) 25 Feb 2017 13:06:05
What if Klopp doesn't rate any of those names from academy? Well if he opts to buy a 19 year old then he must be absolute sure on the one's in the academy.
Brandt is a very special player and I would buy him regardless of age though.


4.) 25 Feb 2017 13:17:20
Some do not understand how much it is going to cost to sign Pulisic after just renewing his contract with Dortmund. I really doubt Pulisic is going to end up at Liverpool along with that, if he did the fans will not give him a chance if he does not hit the ground running and will instantly fail according to them.

Markovic is the best example of not taking a big money risk on a talented up and coming young player unless you have a plan on how you intend to make things work for the player. Luckily we have Klopp running the transfer decisions.


5.) 25 Feb 2017 13:48:23
I know maxlfc. Reckon he will go for no less than €40m. Factor in all the additional costs Ed002 tells us about and it is massive transfer. Probably breaking our record. I personally think that will be too much pressure for Pulisic. I would personally target Brandt if we do sign someone.

I reckon Klopp could do worse than this though; get Kent, Wilson and Ojo in a room together in May and basically tell them that the 3 of them are in direct competition with one another for the left wing spot in our team. This allows us to put Coutinho in midfield, but additionally if none of them step up, we can push Couts back into the left wing position and bring Lallana back into the midfield trio.

We could potentially make a huge saving. It is so clear we lack a proper, fast, out and out left winger. It would just be nice to solve the issue internally for a change. It is hardly like goals are something we struggle for though. For once I think we have the time and ability to show some patience.

Sadly it is the modern way to replace your own academy players with those of other clubs.


6.) 25 Feb 2017 14:10:21
So Coutinho goes into midfield and which of our current midfielders take the back seat knowing we still have Grujic who needs to be given playing time with his work permit requirements.

Klopp might go for Brandt but if it is on the expectations of fans wanting him to start scoring and creating assists straight away then he is destined to fail. Klopp is not going to go big on our attack unless Coutingi and or Firmino had to leave. If nobody can see that then get ready to be disappointed in the summer.


7.) 25 Feb 2017 14:42:39
I expect both Kent and Wilson to be moved on mk they ain't good enough ojo will stay though. I heard we might be after both Brandt and pulisic as pulisic is 18 and couts will be moved infield once Brandt arrives. Also Dortmund are keen to sell for the right price as they're short on funds.

{Ed001's Note - you heard wrong, Dortmund are not keen to sell.}


8.) 25 Feb 2017 14:52:54
Thanks Ed usual journo crap then hopefully we can get him signing new contracts means nothing anymore except you may have to pay 20 mil more for him in the summer. Let's see hey.

{Ed001's Note - I would not hold my breath on him coming mate.}


9.) 25 Feb 2017 15:05:30
Well max, if Coutinho dropped back into midfield it would obviously be Lallana or Gini who would drop to the bench. Possibly depending on the opposition. Against top half teams Gini stays in for extra cover, and against lesser sides Lallana comes in for extra creativity. What is wrong with having 4 top class midfielders for 3 positions?

The only issues with our current front line is that it lacks pace if Mane is missing or having an off day, and can easily be stifled due to the lack of width down the left. We have a left winger who always drifts into midfield, and a left back with no left foot who also gets sucked into midfield. You play two people out of position in the same area of the team and it will always create weak links.

I don't agree with signing players to be back ups, so the only logical solution is to bring in a left winger who is good enough that they force Coutinho back into his proper position. Why sign a reserve right winger to play a few games every time Mane goes to the AFCON or gets injured? We have an academy to help cope with those scenarios.

Our attack can look completely unbalanced at times, as when the games get tough Coutinho and Firmino both tend to drop into the number 10 role that they feel most comfortable in and then we rely too heavily on Mane to get the goals.

We have scored loads of goals (54 in 25 to be precise) but don't forget that is massively offset by us scoring 4 vs Arsenal, 4 vs Palace, 4 vs Leicester, 5 vs Hull, 6 vs Watford and 3 vs Middlesborough. Stats must be put into context. Sure it is great to win emphatically, but that is 26 of our 54 league goals scored in just 6 of our 25 league games. That means in the other 19 games, we have scored just 28 goals. That isn't awful, but it is far less than 2 goals a game which is no good when our defence averages conceding more than 1 a games. Hence lots of points dropped from draws or score defeats.

We do still struggle to score past certain teams and that shouldn't be denied based on a simple statistic which says we are the leagues top scorers. We cannot persevere long term with an attacking midfielder on the left wing. Not if we aspire to be a top team in Europe. We need more pace in behind, more width, and more balance in our team.

On your other point, if Grujic is good enough then he will earn his chances like Stewart has done the last 2 seasons. We should not settle for compromising the balance of the entire team just so that a 20 year old (yet to start a Premier League game since signing) has an easy stroll into the first team squad. Sure, don't sign a direct replacement for Grujic, but to leave Coutinho out of position on the off chance Grujic comes good next season is just silly in my opinion.

We do not need to 'go big'. We just need to get the right players in to play in their natural positions.

Quick glance at our team vs Spurs and we had a attacking midfielder on the left wing, a right midfielder at left back, and a centre midfielder at centre back. I think it is pretty obvious where we need to strengthen based on that observation alone.


10.) 25 Feb 2017 15:51:33
Spot on MK, Klopp has to make the right moves this summer transfer window, still think that there is a place in the squad for Ojo, giving more pace and balance on the left side, going to be interesting .


11.) 25 Feb 2017 16:30:56
Lallana and Couts will be rotated in the midfield which means we don't need Gotze at all. Wilson, Mane and Brandt should be rotated for the two wide positions. Firmino, New striker and Origi to play for the striker role next season.


12.) 25 Feb 2017 16:51:20
MK, Pulisic is not for sale, he's not willing to go anywhere and BVB won't sell so he will never be an option. Buying an 18 year old who is still learning the game for stupid money is pointless, IMO. As for Brandt, he is the one Klopp wants and I don't mind him at all.

The Malcom fellow, I have not seen so can't judge if he will be a better value. I have seen Brandt a lot and he is the real deal. He's way ahead of Pulisic tho he's only 20 and has been capped 4 times for Germany with good CL experience (all within the past 18 months) so on that level, Pulisic and the Malcom fellow, are not in his class.

I do agree that we need an LB and a CB to play next to Matip as Lovren and Klavan are simply squad players at best.


13.) 25 Feb 2017 16:53:07
There cannot be an argument about Grujic MK as if he does not meet the requirements of his work permit then the player as well as Liverpool are buggered.

And funny you mention Coutino's 'proper' position. How many times has Coutinho featured in our midfield 3 this season?

Klopp will decide where players feature and if Coutinho had to drop into midfield then there is absolutely no chance another CM would arrive even when Lucas leaves.

I am going based on what I have seen Klopp do this season with the squad. Firmino, Coutinho and mane is Klopp's preferred front three irrespective of what matches we have scored in and how many.

Brandt is not at the level to replace Coutinho out wide so if we are going to sign a player to fill the left wide position in order for Coutinho to drop into midfield then that player has to be better than Coutinho as we will be replacing him in his position.

It is all fair and well coming up with solutions but at the end of the day, Klopp decides what happens. So how much are we going to need to spend on a player on the same level as Coutinho to fill the left wide position? And to expect a player like Brandt to fill Coutinho's role quite honestly is premature.

We are stocked in midfield and do not see Klopp moving Coutinho into midfield next season.


14.) 25 Feb 2017 17:02:25
Completely agree Harry and red forever.


15.) 25 Feb 2017 17:15:21
Added to that MK, Klopp requires his fullbacks to deliver width. Milner has been a smart move by Klopp at LB but not a long term solution. Clyne just does not cut it. He should not be classified as an attacking fullback.

If anything, Klopp will sign one or maybe two new attacking fullbacks who can provide width. His system is reliant on attacking fullbacks to create width.


16.) 25 Feb 2017 20:15:04
Better than Coutinho? Couts is an actual midfielder who occupies the wide flank simply coz we don't have a genuine winger. How many times he played in the middle? Well how about how many times we have seen him dropping into the middle a early as 10 mts to dictate and switch the flanks from that position. It's god genius that he is sublime playing anywhere across the midfielder.

Coutinho is our visionary passing midfielder, who is at his best when the game happens infront of him and not behind him. Hence he is tipped as the successor of Inesta and not Neymar.

Play him like David Silva and he will assist a record for a season.

2 CM' plus Coutinho in the middle and 2 wide players either side of Firmino and that's the most balanced front line you will ever get.


17.) 26 Feb 2017 09:06:09
Mathematics, again, it is what Klopp decides, not the fans. Our attacking wide players do not hug the touchline anyway, they cut in. Fullbacks have to provide the width so I do not believe it is a situation of adding a winger, it is more a case of adding another player with Mane's ability when it comes to pace, trickery and adept with both feet.

Mathematics, can you explain to me what Klopp needs to do regarding Grujic's work permit requirements and then if Coutinho had to move into the midfield 3 then who out of Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Grujic, Henderson and Stewart will be afforded none or very little playing time. Remember, you can only pick two midfielders to play alongside Coutinho meaning 4 are going to take the back seat. Also take into account, that if Klopp brings in a new LB then what does Klopp do with Milner who will be a utility player at left back and midfield. If Klopp adds a new CM to the squad in the summer then it makes the idea of Coutinho in midfield even more unlikely. Just imagine if Klopp reverts to a midfield 2.

I understand you want Coutinho to play in midfield but as the scenario stands with our current squad options in midfield and pending a new CM being added in the summer it is unlikely that Coutinho will end up in midfield.


18.) 26 Feb 2017 11:23:11
You are talking about names while I am referring to positions. Coutinho is no Hazard or Sanchez in simple term. That is what Klopp is looking in his new Wide player or Winger.

Now Y we need him, Coz we lack that element of pace and trickery on the flanks. Coutinho could play anywhere coz he is quality but his best position is in midfield coz he is a superior passer of the ball than anyone in our squad. He will set up players what Ozil and Silva are doing at their clubs.

Full backs offering width doesn't mean they are a long train which runs up and down all evening.

I have no sympathy for Grujic and let me be very honest. He was not needed nor he was a Klopp's choice either. The club made another mistake like they always do in buying exciting young players without any plans at all. I honestly don't know what will happen with him ( A loan seems looming over his head atm )

The pending midfielder you are referring to will be a more disciplined player at the expense of Can. He wouldn't be an additional player. Except left winger, all players brought in will be replacing someone or the other including Sturridge and Moreno.


19.) 26 Feb 2017 11:36:23
Max

3 first choice CM's for two positions. Hendo / Wiji / New CM

2 first choice players for advanced midfielder . Lallana / Coutinho

3 first choice wingers for two positions. Mane / Wilson / Brandt

2 LB. Milner, New LB
2 RB. Clyne, TAA.


 

 

 

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A Manchester United player, and an ex-Manchester United youth player? Both of whom are currently average!

Shaw cannot get a game ahead of Rojo, Blind or Darmian which says everything I need to know. Maybe he is a future solution, but I am skeptical. I have never subscribed to his hype. He was a good young player with potential, now he is a guy in his 20's clinging on to a reputation after injuries and lack of development. He is a left footed Flanagan. Robbed of their potential careers, and now risks we cannot afford to put in our first team.

Keane is just not good enough though. Burnley pack their own box with 8 players in two disciplined banks of 4. At a top team where they will want to win more games, he will need to play in a far less rigid and far more expansive system which would see him brutally exposed in my opinion. Dyche is just a very good manager and a very good tactician. When you can get players like Keane, Mee, Barton, Hendrick and Vokes playing well in a top flight league, you are doing something right.

Some players at lower teams are good in spite of their surroundings (Gibson, Robertson etc) . Some look good because of their surroundings (Keane, Shawcross etc) .

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Brandt is a left winger lol?

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He is a forward who can play across the front 3 and he will be about 22 years old now. Not heard his name in about 2 years so I don't know if he ever fulfilled his potential.

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I think Flanagan has always lacked the skill to be a wing back. However his reading of the game, his agression and his passion was phenomenal. His passing was also very under rated.

Injuries have robbed him of the superb physicality he had which has curbed his aggression, and he doesn't have the same passion for Burnley as he does for LFC. Gutted for him but I think he may need to drop to the Championship sadly.

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Who knew he had free kicks up his sleeve as well? Can he take corners?! Get him on!

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22 Mar 2017 10:26:36
I really like the sound of Pepjin Linders though.

He has recently praised Woodburn and Arnold even referencing how much emphasis is put on size nowadays, but that these 2 debunk the myth that stature matters.

I am not sure how much Linders had to do with it but I also like that our academy lads are being made to take referee courses. Put the shoe on the other foot for them when they are the one getting hounded for decisions. I think we have some excellent players in the academy with the perfect attitude.

Gomez and Stewart for me are the 2 who have proven they can over come set backs and not let it phase them. Gomez's career was devastated by injury but he has come back fighting. Got himself a new long term contract and made a real impression with Klopp.

Stewart though has some real character; rejected by Tottenham, sent on loan by us as a wide/ defensive player, and then at 22/ 23 I think it was Beale put him in midfield and asked him to start the whole development process again, and he just accepted it, got on with it, and now works hard every day to learn this new role so he can make it at the top.

Restarting that development trail has probably set him back 3 years in terms of earning potential and first team readiness. Just listen to his interviews though. He is so determined to make it at the top that he would literally give up a good career at a West Brom to try and make a great career at the top.

It reminds me of the fighting mentality Henderson and Lucas have. He earned his new 4 year contract and I really hope he makes it at LFC long term.

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22 Mar 2017 10:22:49
87red, Is that because they sold players, or because Bayern have just ruined German football by stockpiling all the best players in the league?

I can see you point Fear of the Red Planet but I don't agree with the ankle injury statement. His form is like this every season. He always has long baron runs with or without injury because he is being played in a position he is not really meant for.

I am not saying we should sell him, but I just refuse to jump on the "LFC are buggered" bandwagon if we sell Coutinho.

Throwing out random examples of teams who have not improved after selling their best player doesn't really wash with me. In our own league, United sold Ronaldo and continued to dominate for at least 3 years afterwards, an average Spurs sold Bale and built a title challenging side with the profit, Southampton sell their top 3 players every season and year seem to replace them with even better players who this year took them to their first cup final in god knows how long.

It is not impossible to replace your top players. Coutinho being our best player whilst out of position and struggling with form/ injury is more a worrying damnation of the rest of the team than a positive for him.

We should without a doubt try to keep him; which the club are doing. He just got given a record breaking contract. The counter argument that some are presenting though is that we might get an offer of £50m+ for a player who misses a quarter of every season injured, has never hit double figures in the league, and hasn't played to his best since the opening game of this season.

Of course we should persist with him if nobody offers stupid money. He is one of our top players. However his contract alone almost forces him into starting every game now, and in Klopp's current system he really is not justifying that regular game time or wage. You can disagree, but he has been embarrassingly hooked twice in a row now (with a long time still on the clock) for a 17 year old. So Klopp clearly agrees that he is not pulling his weight.

The only way I can see Coutinho and Firmino in the same successful side is if we put Couts in the midfield and sign a new left forward who scores a lot of goals. Otherwise we will just keep struggling to score for long periods of the season. Mane is our only player in the front 3 who I could see scoring a scrappy rebound or a goal mouth scramble. That is why in the tight games we struggle.

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Go hospitality mate. It sounds like it is once in a lifetime for you.

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21 Mar 2017 20:31:10
Can we stop with the "when has selling our best player ever worked out" stuff? Yeah, Liverpool has a bad recent history. However Klopp does not and he is now our manager!

He sold Gotze and signed Mkhitaryan. He sold Lewandowski and signed Aubameyang. He sold Sahin and signed Gundogan!

This is not Rafa, Comolli or Rodgers picking players anymore.

We have a new scouting team and a new manager making the final decisions. So let's not judge the current regime against past mistakes. Klopp sold Benteke for £30m and signed Mane. He sold Allen and signed Wijnaldum. He sold Skrtel and signed Matip. I'd say he currently has a fairly decent record of replacing first team players. Of the 4 players signed to play in our first team, only Karius hasn't settled in yet.

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I haven't seen one person yet say they want him sold. I have seen a lot of people say they wouldn't turn down a stupid offer and a few people say that he is replaceable. That is a little bit different to people saying he is a bad player who we should actively look to sell!

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