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04 Aug 2017 09:14:08
Liverpool are rumoured to have bid €17m for Benjamin Andre. Never seen him play but he is 27 years old, and made 329 interceptions last season; most in Ligue 1.

Not ITK, just sharing a rumour coming out of France this morning.

MK Scouser

1.) 04 Aug 2017 09:42:04
He made 74 interceptions according to football365 who make a mockery of that 329 figure.


2.) 04 Aug 2017 09:58:18
Like I said mate, just sharing a rumour. I have no idea if the stats are right, if the transfer figure is right, or even if that's his real age!


3.) 04 Aug 2017 10:05:17
Wasn't he the guy from Outkast? Andre 3000? If so, that's another pop star that's been linked with us after Lemar. Maybe we're starting a band?

Seriously though, I too have become one of those sad people who spends the entire summer searching for Liverpool transfer rumours and then going straight to youtube when I've never heard of them. From the looks of him, he's someone who can help break down teams and provide a link between midfield and attack, combined with an incredible interception rate.
Looks good to these eyes and youtube.
MDS.


4.) 04 Aug 2017 10:19:25
From what I can find he's been called.

Frances best kept secret.
Poor man's verrati.

Seems tidy and apparently well scouted by lfc but again all just hear say.

Could klopp unearth a gem without breaking the bank, he's done it before.


5.) 04 Aug 2017 10:45:39
So we can;t sign Keita so we are going for 2nd or 3rd best are we? what's the point when we've got Henderson, Crujic, Milner, Can, Wijnaldum and Ejaria looking for places in midfield. Must be better to use what we currently have and then hopefully get our number 1 target next year. Grujic has to get his opportunities to keep his WP. As the Eds has said before we can't just keep adding and adding players.


6.) 04 Aug 2017 15:30:10
Its going to be a long season, and too many injuries, we might need a couple of good squad players, we didn't sign them last January window, I hope that we have learnt our lesson from that basic error .


7.) 04 Aug 2017 17:10:05
I agree red forever. On the one hand we keep hearing that we have a fairly thin squad and on the other hand we hear that if we buy we need to sell. Personally I'd like to see us sign. A top goal scorer to tap in ALL the chances we create. A cb who is strong in the air and has brilliant organisational skills and a holding midfielder who can play the ball well. You could say we have DS and matip and Hendo. Yes we do but they are all a little injury prone. Realistically we should add at least one senior player. right?


 

 

14 May 2017 11:48:50
So Luan, Robertson and Kjaer today then?

I like Robertson and have been suggesting him since January so happy there. I have only seen clips of Luan so I'll reserve judgement (as the clips were underwhelming to say the least) . However I really hope Kjaer rumours are fabricated. He is an okay player, but I don't believe he is an upgrade on Lovren or Matip.

MK Scouser

1.) 14 May 2017 11:53:51
We are not signing a CB this summer according to the Eds. Kjaer is a completely fabricated rumor by desperate papers. Luan also pretty sure won't happen. Robertson probably will be the LB we sign.


2.) 14 May 2017 16:50:25
Whata the point in getting hMions league if qe sign robertson. Not even good ebough for hull.

Nees a better lb than that.

{Ed002's Note - If Gomez were to leave then Liverpool will look to add a centre back. Robertson is a player that Liverpool are looking to buy. Simon Kjaer is likely heading to the South of France (if an issuette can be resolved). Luan is of interest but his ownership needs untangling.}


3.) 14 May 2017 17:42:01
Thanks Ed2. Without yours and Ed1's knowledge we'd all almost certainly be lost. ☺.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Nick.}


4.) 14 May 2017 18:33:27
Shame. No lb fix then.

How are yoy going to improve when you buy players like that.

Listen i know support and don't trash but he's just not good enough in any sense of the word.

The money city and united will spend his summer will see them add aboht 150 mil of quality each. Chelsea and arsenal. Totteham i don't know about with the new stadium.

But we have to buy better than that.

Ed001 has done notbing buy rave avout sessegnon and tierney. Celtic and fulham, they are very attainable.

Robertson has to be one of the last choicea rather leave it.

You all will have a go at me but this is why we have never won the premier league. Simple. Signing no better than what's in the team or academy.

Should only wver sign better than what you have.

Robertson better than gomez, milner or even moreno at lb? Nopes.


5.) 14 May 2017 18:44:51
If Luan is the same Luan as played for Brazil at the Olympics, he's a lively kid with some ability. But no idea what he's been up to in the past year and of course, Olympics football isn't a joke but it's not the Premier League.


6.) 14 May 2017 19:16:20
Not all players cost 100 million mind. sometimes you need to spot something in a player and have some balls to take the gamble.


7.) 14 May 2017 20:01:35
Buying part of a defence that shipped in 67 goals so far this season is certainly a gamble, especially when his stats are far worse than Milner and he's only been ok. I just don't see the positives in Robinson. Average defending, average attacking ability. If that's the best we can do then God help us. We need quality not another Klavan.


8.) 14 May 2017 20:07:09
Robertson was subbed today in hulls biggest game of the season at half time after getting roasted, if this is true it's utterly embarrassing.


9.) 14 May 2017 20:26:26
LI've we did with Deli Alli 😀.


10.) 14 May 2017 20:49:52
Like pennant, babel, bellamy, johnson, skrtel, voronin, aspas, alberto, ballotelli, poulsen, konchesky, dossena, adam, diouf, diao, jovanovic, cheyrou, pongolle, cole, traore, cissokho, sahin, ngog, borini, xavier, nunez, allen, kyriarkos, lambert, markovic, moreno, insua, kromkamp, josemi, barragan, el zhar, klavan, degen, assaidi, yesil, manquillo, bogdan, jones, merieles, benteke, downing, carroll, enrique (ANOTHER LB), coates,

A few next henrys and gerrards in there.

6 lbs

Atleast 8 of them signed after qualifying for the champions leage the year before and finishing 2nd

No premier leages for us after.

I guarentee i could search all those namea on here and archives permitted the post will be "going to be world class" "drop x player he's better" "sell him we have our replacement anyway".

There all run of the mill players ans that's how you stay a run of the mill team.

Yoy have to buy the best to be the best or atleast better than what you have.

Itz about raising expectation in the club. Alaba should be the target and why not, aim for an a and youll get a b. Aim for a c and well, no premier league tropheys tells you.

Hate not every player costs millions, well atleast 80% do and they get you titles and trophys.
You only say that to justify signing bad players.

Btw bellamy was a hit his second time around.


11.) 14 May 2017 22:24:02
Is there any chance we could buy be looking to buy two left backs this summer? Robertson might make an ok backup but I'd be disappointed to see him brought in as first choice.

This would mean Moreno leaving, of course.

Robertson against the likes of Messi, Dybala etc in the Champions League could be very embarrassing.


 

 

04 May 2017 14:17:44
Ed001 you have said we are looking at right backs and have been since last summer.

However the Sharkopod only referenced left backs, and Pereira who can play on both sides.

Is it basically Pereira or nobody? Or are there other targets you haven't mentioned. Perhaps even the chance of signing 2 left backs and moving Milner to right back?

Just curious as there is a good chance Arnold's long term future is in midfield or out wide. So if Clyne was replaced it would need to be a player for the immediate future and preferably long term.

Sorry if it has been answered but I can find nothing on the boards or the sharkopods.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - Pereira is a right back who can play left. He is the main target for right back, with TAA and Milner as cover. The priority is left back this summer, right back is seen as secondary. I really do not know of any other option right now for the right back berth. I will ask and see if it is a bit like Chilwell last season or if there are others being scouted.}


1.) 04 May 2017 14:32:19
Does this mean Clyne's being pushed out? RB is a position we can improve significantly by replacing Clyne with Periera.
The link up between Periera and Mane will be deadly.

{Ed001's Note - yes, we are looking to replace Clyne.}


2.) 04 May 2017 14:38:38
Ed001, with the situation you described at right back is it likely that we'll see Clyne move on?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}


3.) 04 May 2017 15:10:49
Great news, feel for clyne as he at least puts the effort in unlike others but he's really not suited to the team.


4.) 04 May 2017 15:23:17
I think I am right in saying ed002 said he doubts pereira will move to us. So there must be more we are looking at.


5.) 04 May 2017 15:24:06
Has any clubs shown interest in Clyne ed? Where do you see his likely destination?


6.) 04 May 2017 15:15:25
Ed001,any clubs interested in Clyne?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know of much interest right now mate.}


7.) 04 May 2017 15:17:53
Hey ed01, hope you are having a good day!

A question in a similar vein - we are being strongly linked to recruitements in CB and CM, which is kind of understandable with european footie coming next season. Now, it is by no means certain that new players will arrive in those positions, but IF that happens, which members of the current squad would in your opinion be most in danger of being dropped to the bench, or moved on? of course, best case scenario will just see increased competition and rotation, and starters being selected on merit, but I am very curious what the current hierarchy is, so to say.

Cheers!

{Ed001's Note - I do not expect a centre back to arrive this summer, if one did, it would probably be a bad sign for Gomez though.

As for CM, it is likely that Lucas would be leaving.}


8.) 04 May 2017 15:24:06
Has any clubs shown interest in Clyne ed? Where do you see his likely destination?

{Ed001's Note - not yet, but the clubs likely to be interested are those in the lower half of the Prem. If I had to put money on it though, it would be on a return to Palace.}


9.) 04 May 2017 16:02:50
Clyne likely to leav this summer then ed? didn't see that coming mate.

{Ed001's Note - possibly. Even probably.}


10.) 04 May 2017 16:22:39
Its is a pity Klopp couldn't convince his fellow countyman Lahm into not retiring at the end of the season and bring him in on a free for a season or two. He can cover left back, right back and the central midfield position that would be left by Lucas, plus a whole lot of experience. there isn't much he hasn't won.

I know he is 33 now, but so is Dani Alves and watching him play top flight CL football last night you wouldn't think so, set up both of Higuains goals too

Just a thought, Jurgen.


11.) 04 May 2017 16:52:31
Cheers ed

Has him leaving always been the plan then or has it developed recently?

{Ed001's Note - we tried to replace him last summer.}


12.) 04 May 2017 16:52:49
Leaving this summer Ed mate? Didn't know that Klopp is that discontent with Clyne?

{Ed001's Note - why? We had told you last summer the club were looking for a right back.}


13.) 04 May 2017 17:18:36
What is it in Clynes game that Klopp doesn't like?

{Ed001's Note - because he is not good enough.}


14.) 04 May 2017 17:42:32
Peirera likely ed?

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}


15.) 04 May 2017 17:46:36
Right mate, cheers! Is Pereira better?

{Ed001's Note - my mother is better.}


16.) 04 May 2017 17:58:29
Ed 1 that's the best reply I've ever seen on here.

{Ed001's Note - many a true word spoken in jest.....}


17.) 04 May 2017 18:04:09
Haha that's harsh 😂.

{Ed001's Note - harsh but true. I can tell which players are particularly bad thanks to the missus, who hasn't a clue about football, but counts the number of times I swear at a particular player for doing something wrong. She has had to get an abacus to keep track of Clyne's mistakes......}


18.) 04 May 2017 18:07:50
are we interested in her then ed lol.

{Ed001's Note - funny you should say that, she is currently in the process of moving back to the UK just in case.}


19.) 04 May 2017 18:08:57
Nice response to Scouserseb lol people who rate Clyne really do grind my gears, he's bang average in nearly every department. Really disappointed that you say we aren't looking for a CB though Ed, the defensive problems will continue as long as Lovren is first choice.

{Ed001's Note - the plan is to give Gomez a chance to develop into first choice over the season. You can't change fullbacks and centre backs in one summer, so it has to be a bit by bit job. With a bit of luck, Gomez will mean we do not need to worry next summer either.}


20.) 04 May 2017 18:20:19
Thanks for all the replies Ed001. You are a star!

{Ed001's Note - aww thanks. I am blushing now!}


21.) 04 May 2017 18:20:23
Ed001 is spot on regarding Clyne, I did mention not long ago that Klopp wants TAA in the team next season so that could spell the end for him.


22.) 04 May 2017 19:02:25
Palace fans I know don't rate him either and may not want him back.


23.) 04 May 2017 19:21:27
Surely West Ham would be interested. Have barely played a real RB all season. Clearly bilic doesn't rate byram, tho I suppose bilic may be off anyway.


24.) 04 May 2017 19:27:18
Hey edd may I ask if your back together is the wedding back on. Very happy for you if it getting married maybe we can do a whip around and get you a present big love xx.


25.) 04 May 2017 21:44:45
We aren't getting married now Walter. I pulled the plug because he kept accusing me of being after half of his Dubai apartment. I mean sure it had a pretty decent view, but I'm not like that. I only got it valued in secret because I was curious.

{Ed001's Note - if I owned an apartment that would be a good idea MKS.

nrw - no mate, I was just kidding about the missus counting my swearing.}


26.) 04 May 2017 22:55:31
Ahh bless as long as all the edds and posters are happy and healthy.


27.) 05 May 2017 06:24:29
I'm not convinced by all this. If Klopp wasn't keen on Clyne then TAA would be playing. Most of these rumours are rubbish.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise that TAA is not ready this season and is being eased in gradually right? The rubbish is you thinking Couts would be on the bench when Barca's midfield has been on the wane for years and is why they are struggling this season.}


28.) 05 May 2017 10:50:45
If we do not find a RB this summer, will TAA be the starting RB next season? And if we are also unable to offload Clyne, will TAA still be ahead of him?


29.) 05 May 2017 11:27:47
Adding to the fire here, I was told by a friend in January, a business partner of Ryan Bertrand, that Clyne himself was looking to leave, and that Southampton would be looking at Sturridge this summer.

I then asked how much they're going to charge us for Sturridge. I'm thinking at least £40m based on recent deals.

I'll get my coat.

Top bit is true, though - Clyne wants to move back down south.


30.) 05 May 2017 17:54:35
Ed001, so matip with Gomez as maybe first choice, lovren covering. If Lucas leaves, do you think klavan will stay? I know he's just arrived this season, but I'd rather keep Lucas as cover for both and move on klavan?

{Ed001's Note - Klavan is staying anyway, he is back up only.}


31.) 07 May 2017 10:58:49
Honestly don't think Klopp fancies Joe Gomez anymore, last year found minutes for Ojo, Stewart, in the first part of this season both underwhelmed when given some minutes, haven't been heard of since, but Woodburn and TAA found some minutes with some lively performances or cameos given a chance, even with the injuries at the position, Klopp has chosen Lucas over him.


 

 

10 Mar 2017 19:39:21
Not sure on the Chamberlain rumours.

He is clearly a very talented player and seems to be one of the more passionate Arsenal players. He was the only guy who turned up against Bayern. He is very versatile able to play basically any role in our team ahead of Henderson. At only 23 it is very typical of English football that he has already been written off. He has sublime technical ability, great balance and can produce moments of magic on rare ocacssions.

However, there are clearly some things to worry about. His end product for one is truly terrible at times. He can go past 4 or 5 players and then put his cross on the roof of the net! Frustrating is an understatement. What truly gets alarm bells ringing though has to be his injury record. He is out for about half of every season, normally.

Torn on this rumour. To be fair he is allegedly a Liverpool fan and very good friends with Henderson so maybe it makes sense if Can and Milner leave. He could be a versatile impact sub in their place. You have to wonder if it is worth the risk though. Milner although being 8 years older is arguably just as good and can additionally cover both full back positions, but just as importantly is never injured. I'm sure this rumour will split opinion, but I am undecided for now.

MK Scouser

1.) 10 Mar 2017 21:00:31
Me too could end up being brilliant or an injury prone burden but would take him for 8 mill or some sort of swap deal with studge.


2.) 10 Mar 2017 21:18:52
He's not good enough and injury prone.


3.) 10 Mar 2017 22:07:29
There are better options out there.


4.) 10 Mar 2017 22:14:18
Oxs would be perfect for us he could play in the Lallana role of outwide but I don't know if he gets in the team.


5.) 10 Mar 2017 22:23:06
His attitude on the pitch is sublime, just what every fan wants to see, maybe not the big money game changing signing but I'm not sure that's klopps philosophy. He is the type of player that lifts people around him and that's priceless. If klopp worked with him I'd imagine ox is the type of player that would go to war for JK. Could be an inspired signing.


6.) 10 Mar 2017 22:15:59
MK the amount of times Klopp has left me with egg on my face and eating humble pie Im getting sick of the stuff lol. I wouldn't judge any decision of Klopps until a fair assessment can be made. If Klopp feels he can work with Gotze again, if Klopp thinks he can better manage the Ox I'll reserve my judgement until after a season or two. All this pie and i don't even like pastry :-P.


7.) 10 Mar 2017 22:16:59
How can you say he is "not good enough" though? He is 23 years old and has never had a chance to progress due to injuries. At 23 years old most people wanted Carragher sold. At 23 years old Sturridge had been rejected by Man City and Chelsea.

Chamberlain is a very talented player, with a lot of potential. The gamble is not whether he is good enough, it is whether he can finally stay fit and find consistency. Both of which are fairly related.

I have no doubt that on his game, 100% fit he is good enough for our team. How often will that happen though? That is the real question here.


8.) 10 Mar 2017 22:19:00
Maybe I'm watching a different player but Oxlade is a bang average player. Hasn't got electric pace enough to be a threat out wide, his delivery is poor and hasn't the guile to be a number 10 and he lacks the intelligence and physical attributes to play in centre midfield. He can go to City, Chelsea or United as far as I'm concerned.


9.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:31
We don't need another running midfielder MK. We have it in with Wiji and Lallana. We need a deep lying midfielder.


10.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:48
He's still a young lad.
Best is yet to come from him.


11.) 10 Mar 2017 23:10:11
His attitude stinks. Remember that little strop he threw on the field in the first leg against Bayern? Sorry but I only want players who are fully committed, with a good attitude and will not strop on the field.


12.) 11 Mar 2017 01:14:11
Not for me thanks.


13.) 11 Mar 2017 01:22:10
Da Red man that strop showed nothing but his commitment. He tried to close down 3 passes with no help from the rest of team who had given up.

Don't think we need him though.


14.) 11 Mar 2017 01:27:39
Daredman you know why he did that because no one was trying to get the bull back with him . Oxs would be a good signing there's a player in him it just needs to be unlock.

I remember people saying hendo and Lallana are bang average look at them now.

People did not what mane because of his attitude and have we seen anything bad from mane

And if you let him go to a rival and do well you look really silly.

Have we got a replace for Lallana because I have not seen one in are team . Gini naver like him

I'm not saying he should be a top target but if you can get him for 15-20mil you can't go wrong.


15.) 11 Mar 2017 01:28:19
Would rather some of our youngsters get a chance than injury prone new signings.


16.) 11 Mar 2017 09:28:48
Problem is can he stay fit?

How does he stay fot in a klopp team thag works harder than almost any other?


17.) 11 Mar 2017 10:08:59
He's injury prone, has shown little development since bursting onto the scene (albeit this has been hampered by injuries), he seems to lack game intelligence and rarely makes a big mark on the game. I'm not really sure what he would offer or if he would be of the required quality (even if he stayed injury free) and, on top of what would have to be seen as a huge gamble, he would not come cheap either.
If the club is to be smart about its recruitment, and get real bang for their buck, then they must invest the money far more wisely than in a player like Oxlaide Chamberlain. We need to improve our recruitment in terms of money spent and quality - Chamberlain represents a huge gamble and one I don't think we are in the position to take. I our money was limitless a la City then we would have more leeway - as it stands we simply cannot afford to be taking big risks and that is exactly what a move for Oxlaide Chamberlain would be.


18.) 11 Mar 2017 15:19:04
You lost me at "ahead of Henderson" Pure nonsense that!

You then further lost me by then saying he could be a "versatile impact sub"!

Contradicting much?

He'd pad out the squad giving us another option off the bench but he's no starter.


19.) 11 Mar 2017 15:59:43
I look at it this way: Is he going to improve our first team? No. Is he going to start ahead of our first choice 11? No. At Arsenal, he has been played wide and in a central role, so not a specialist but bit of a squad player (potential or not) .

Add his injury issues, and that fact that he is English (over-hyped and over-priced), and it looks like a transfer we probably should avoid.


20.) 11 Mar 2017 17:18:36
That's a good argument Seano. I cannot say I disagree.


21.) 11 Mar 2017 21:25:20
Mind bender I think you misread my post. I mean he can play in any position further forward than defensive midfield. Not instead of Henderson. Hence my suggestion that he could be versatile cover or an impact player.

AG I would say that when fit and on form he would be knocking on the door to start ahead of Lallana. That is why I am querying his fitness and consistency though because it is so unreliable. I'm only instigating a debate buddy. Like I say, I'm pretty indifferent on the subject. I don't think he would be the worst signing but as you rightly point out, him being English will inflate his price; even with only a year on his contract. So there is probably better value elsewhere.

Somebody else used the phrase already, but Chamberlain is the personification of a gamble.


22.) 12 Mar 2017 11:51:21
Think Chamberlain would be a very shrewd signing and would probe a lot of people wrong.


23.) 12 Mar 2017 16:46:19
Chamberlain just isn't worth wasting the money on. If it wasn't for the fact he was English he wouldn't even be a £10 million player. We would be better off signing Brandt as he's got more potential and even now is a far superior footballer. If it's simply a matter of choosing a winger because he's 'English', we may as well do our annual trip to Southampton and buy Redmond.


24.) 13 Mar 2017 17:42:52
He wants to play te box to box role, he actually had a very good run at it whenFlamini was't good enough after re signing for Arsenal, and coquelin was out. He didn't show enough for me then to suggest he'd make it. He's a wide player for Asernal when most ohters are fit, and atm, he's been overtaken by Iwobi. I said before if we're getting an arsenal player for a central role, I'd rather it be Ramsey wo for me is much more accomplished.


 

 

01 Mar 2017 18:47:55
There are rumours about now that we will try and sign Francesco Cassata in the summer. He is by all accounts a great young midfielder but that's all I know of him.

MK Scouser

 

 

 

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12 Aug 2017 09:50:06
Apologies in advance Ed001 because I believe you know the Carraghers, but Jamie has really disappointed me since retiring.

He sold his soul to go and work for Murdoch for a start! But it is just some of the stupid, irresponsible things he says.

He now says that if Coutinho is sold he will understand if the fans riot and will be a part of the riots! He is still a massive role model to younger Liverpool fans and he is publically approving fans rioting over one player. Why can't he be mature/ sensible and just stick to the mantra, No one player is bigger than the club. He is actually becoming an embarassment to LFC now. I thought United gad it bad with ex-players like Roy Keane running their mouths on TV, but Carragher is getting just as bad lately. I highly doubt he'd actually start smashing up Anfield or Melwood, but he has just condoned it to the knuckle heads who actually might!

Deary me, I wish ex players would just shut their mouths at times.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - no worries, I find it difficult to forgive him for selling his soul.}


1.) 12 Aug 2017 10:35:21
Think you're being a bit sensitive there. He wasn't advocating taking up arms and smashing up the streets of L1, he was using words that inferred the fans wouldn't be happy - possibly start showing outrage via social media, or get in a frenzy talking to their mates about it whilst down the pub. No need to jump on the pc super podium.


2.) 12 Aug 2017 10:36:09
You can't really moan about him selling his soul to sky when your watching him on it though mate.

{Ed001's Note - I am not watching him on sky. I am not watching him at all.}


3.) 12 Aug 2017 10:43:39
He always was mouthy git on the pitch. Why would you think he would change now he's got a platform to voice his opinion.
He's got no problem slagging off anyone. But its just his opinion, don't take it to heart. Opinions r like arseholes, we all have one just some r full of sh*t.


4.) 12 Aug 2017 10:54:58
Carra has lost his credibility and watching he and the pathetic manc Chuckle Bros. Gary and Phil talking nonsense, just makes me pity him even more.


5.) 12 Aug 2017 11:26:44
I don't just like Carragher even when he was still at anfield, but he is saying what an average lfc fan would say. FSG promised a project when they came and under different managers the inconsistency on field is apparent, no one can tell where the project will lead to. Honestly, it will be wishful fan minded between me and you to say that lfc will win a cup or challenge for the tittle this season, and you know why, the truth is our ambitions then and now is still the same, we can't match the ambitions of our quality players in giving them the services they needed on field to winning trophies. we all see how our star players leaves with lots of monies in the club's coffers.


 

 

09 Aug 2017 19:02:33
If we do manage to push Keita, Van Dijk and Chamberlain over the line I will be extremely dissapointed because Alansbarnet will say "I told you so".

Ed001 can you confirm or deny that Alan will be getting his own page? Bookies have smashed the odds to 5/ 7.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - I cannot confirm or deny that.}


1.) 09 Aug 2017 19:37:55
Until those players are leaning you're safe MK.


2.) 09 Aug 2017 19:41:48
And until they retire he could still be correct 😄.


 

 

07 Aug 2017 22:34:47
Why is everyone acting as though we are the only team to lose first team players?

Everton have lost Lukaku and will lose Barkley.
Arsenal look like losing Oxlade (to us! ), as well as possibly Ozil, Bellerin and Sanchez.
United have lost Ibrahimovic and could still lose De Gea.
Chelsea have lost Matic, Costa and could possibly sell Hazard.
City have lost Zabaleta, Clichy and could yet lose Aguero too.
Tottenham have lost Kyle Walker and could lose Alderweireld and Dier still.

As it stands, we are actually the only team in the top 7 who have not lost a first team regular this summer. If Coutinho goes, we will replace him. It really is that simple.

It looks like it could be Andre Gomes who replaces him. I don't particularly rate him as a top player, but then again Coutinho was a reserve for a really poor Inter Milan team when we signed him. Sturridge couldn't get a game for Chelsea ahead of Kalou, Anelka and a mid 30's Drogba. I'll give Gomes a chance at least. Some players just don't work out at certain clubs. Gomes was great at Valencia when he ran the show, but struggled playing in the shadow of Busquets and Iniesta. Maybe he comes to us and finds a new lease of life by being given the opportunity to take control of our midfield? God knows somebody has to if Coutinho leaves.

Please don't go in to melt down though lads. We may lose Coutinho and maybe even Can, but we could get in Gomes, Ox, and maybe Van Dijk. We are literally still the favourites to break the WORLD RECORD TRANSFER on a defender. Ed001 has explained that a lot of people in the club still fancy us to get it over the line. How are people moaning with 3 weeks left in the window?

Relax. Grab a beverage. Enjoy the season.

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1.) 07 Aug 2017 22:50:58
I like Gomes, he reminds me of Alonso due to his work rate, his close ball control, his time on the ball and his range of passing. Needs to work on his shooting.
Klopp could get the best out of him but we have a lot of midfielders as it is.
If Can and Coutinho are going then he'd be a good signing.


2.) 07 Aug 2017 22:53:16
Gomes is not good enough Mk. Bad fit.


3.) 07 Aug 2017 23:02:25
Sorry Ron. I've seen a lot of Gomes. Even live for valencia. I ll strongly disagree. This lad will not improve us in any way. We should work on grujic. And hope emre can signs.

I also disagree with a lot on here about chamberlain. If he stays fit and the price is right, he ll be better than a lot give him credit for.


4.) 07 Aug 2017 23:04:26
Sadly Ron, I think they will both leave. Coutinho looks to be half way out the door, and if we take Gomes as part of the deal you'd have to imagine Can will walk as he not only wants, but he needs first team football.


5.) 07 Aug 2017 23:12:07
The difference is that those teams replace with equal or better quality, like Chelsea selling Matic and bringing in Bakayoko, Arsenal selling Giroud and bring in Lacazette. We're lose a star player like Coutinho and looking at bringing in dross like Oxlade Chamberlain to replace him, just like when we sold Alonso and brought in Bert Water, or when we sold Torres and brought in Carroll or when we sold Suarez and bought in Balotelli. There is a distinct pattern here. And what always follows is a really poor season. As it goes I see little to enjoy, as we have the same weaknesses that cost us last year.


6.) 07 Aug 2017 23:15:30
I agree we're well stacked in midfield.
I have to be honest I'd rather see Ejaria, Grujic and Woodburn get some game time than Gomes.


7.) 07 Aug 2017 23:29:42
I ll throw a name in the mix that would improve us and is available Gregorz krachowiak. Perfect defensive playmakING shield for the back four. Sadly I think he's not on our list.


8.) 07 Aug 2017 23:40:03
It's a skewed analysis though MK.

Did Man U lose DDG even though there was strong interest from Real? - No.

Did Arsenal, who have been losing first team players for a while, allow Sanchez and Oezil to leave (yet) when they know they will lose Sanchez for free next summer? - No.

Did Spurs lose Kane even though there has been interest in him from others? - No.

Did Man City lose Auguero and Silva when there was strong interest in them from Real? - No.

Did Chelsea lose Hazzard when there was strong interest in him from Real? - No.

Matic is allowed to leave because Conte is happy to move him on. Costa is a trouble maker, and I suspect Chelsea and Conte has had enough of his antics and hence them letting him go. The Ox is a squad filler at Arsenal and has yet to establish himself as a first team player at Arsenal. if they lose him, they wouldn't have any problems first team-wise. Spurs has always been a selling club as has been Everton. Their policy is different to others and that probably shows why they still haven't won anything like us for a while.

The difference is that when the top teams lose a player, they replace them with another top one (unlike Spurs and Everton who try to distribute the monies throughout the squad) .

In you own first post, Man City MOVED on Zabaleta and replaced him with Walker. Man U replaced Ibrahimovic with Lukaku. Chelsea replaced Costa with Morata. Even Arsenal are have sought to improve their squad significantly with adding Lacazette and Kolasinac and are trying for Lemar (probably as replacements for Sanchez, Gibbs and Oezil) .

If Coutinho goes and Liverpool replaces him with Gomes, it will be akin how Liverpool replaced Suarez with Balotelli, Alonso with Aquilani, Mascherano with Poulsen, Sterling with Ibe, Torres with Carroll.

It is late in the window, team's will know LFC have the cash and are desperate for their player, and any replacement will likely be over-priced and under-scouted.

Liverpool can of course chose to have not negotiate with Barcelona but when a big bid comes, they always come to the table. This is what needs to change if Liverool are serious about winning things, and honestly, I have little confidence in them with regards to the same because time and time again under FSG, we have seen that Liverpool are happy to sell their best player.


9.) 07 Aug 2017 23:43:00
I agree with you here mate (MK), there's far too much of a meltdown going on for me over a) something that has yet to happen and b) a window which is not yet even over, like you say. I also totally agree with ed002 though, if things would have been dealt with above board it would seem that this window could have been one of the best we've had in recent times, not the rollercoaster ride we've been led on as a result of total mismanagement. The majority of that has to lie at the feet of Klopp.

I've seen barely anything of Gomes in terms of actual gameplay. The few games i did see him in I wasn't impressed at all really, he was virtually transparent tbf.

I Just pulled up (i know) a youtube highlight reel. i'm not convinced by that at all, which surprises me because 9 times out of 10 they make average players look good. It consisted of 80% 'henderson' passes. that ball that he pings to both wings from CM in every game. His ball control looks offish as well.

Is he better than this? am i watching a different guy :D.


10.) 08 Aug 2017 08:40:57
Brilliant post the real ag, agree 100%! We just haven't got that winning mentality at our club anymore that we require!


 

 

05 Aug 2017 11:55:00
I know its a little but of a wild suggestion, but if Coutinho is going to Barcelona to replace Iniesta, why not ask for Iniesta as part of the deal? He is still world class and probably second only to Modric in world football as a playmaker. Salah can replace Coutinho's goals, but he cannot control the game like Coutinho. Iniesta can control the game without breaking into a jog, he still presses with intelligence, and he would bring an unrivalled winning mentality. No player in the history of the game can match his technical ability or vision.

He is only 33 (same age Alonso joined Bayern at) which means he has at least 3 years left. Who better for Woodburn to learn from if we want him to be the long term magician in our midfield?

Anyway, it is just a thought. I'd have us down for the title if we bagged Iniesta though. He is probably in the top 5 players in the world even today. No idea if he'd leave Barcelona though. He might fancy a wind down on his career playing second fiddle to younger players in sunny Spain.

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1.) 05 Aug 2017 12:10:44
Iniesta is past his best and there is no way he will last the distance in a frantic premier league campaign. I'd take Isco or Kovacic as Coutinho's replacement (if he leaves which imo is unlikely) . Both are creative midfielder who can start attacks from the deep with fantastic passing range and long range shooting.


2.) 05 Aug 2017 12:11:43
You'll probably be slagged for it MK but it's not the craziest thing I've heard. Still thing he'll stay though.


3.) 05 Aug 2017 12:27:41
Not for me im afraid. Iniesta was a hell of a player but i think his shelf life is nearing an end.


4.) 05 Aug 2017 12:35:02
IB, past it?

You must be joking me. When has Iniesta have relied on any kind of physical attribute?

I swear people just assume a player is finished once they are into their late 20's or 30's. This is part of the reason our club wins nothing. We keep signing teenagers and early 20's players, then sell them in their mid 20's to replace them with more youngsters!

Look at the Chelsea team that won the league last season. The youngest player in their first team was Hazard at 25 years old and they had players like Terry, Fabregas and Willian on the bench. Experience wins titles. The last time we won a trophy we had Maxi, Bellamy, Kuyt, Carragher and Gerrard in their 30's. Now, we have Milner and the team bottles it in every major final and all the games we are expected to win.

We should be looking at proven winners. If we had the chance tomorrow to sign Timo Werner or Diego Costa, our club would go for Werner because he has more potential and then sell him when he gets to his prime, before repeating the same process and continuing to win nothing. All about sell on value. If we took Costa I'd probably fire us to silverware. Sure he'd be sold at a loss after about 3 years but what is the point of competing if you don't want to win anything?

Iniesta is 33, not 40. He would be perfect for us. We have a great team but are just lacking that little bit of winning mentality. That experience to just get over the line. If you doubt that, re watch the two finals we lost under Klopp and take a look at last seasons league table at Christmas. We bottle it because we call anyone with experience past it! Sorry for the rant, but I am really passionate about the mental side of the game and it's importance.


5.) 05 Aug 2017 12:36:28
He's too old now mate, he can probably play a couple more years but not at the level we would want, at Liverpool he would be replacing a first team player and be expected to play and influence each game, if he stays at Barcelona he will have a bit part role that would suit him and his aging legs.


6.) 05 Aug 2017 12:44:55
Iniesta is past it and wouldn't be able to adjust to the physical nature of the premier league, same as Rakitic, their legs are completely gone and given the way Klopp likes his teams to play, they don't fit in, since they rarely do any tackling or pressing. We are far from a great team, great teams win leagues and trophies, not finish trophyless and in fourth place.


7.) 05 Aug 2017 13:09:07
Iniesta rarely tackles or presses? Okay now I know you have probably never watched him to at least paid attention to him, Frankly.

Mikey, why would he have to play every game for us? We have Grujic, Ejaria, Woodburn and more who would all be able to cover. Be that rotating from game to game, or just coming on as a sub at the hour mark.

I've been shocked on here in the past, but this has blown me away. I cannot believe people would reject Iniesta because he is 33. Last time we even got close to the title we had 34 year old Gerrard in midfield, and 34 year old Toure at centre back. Never underestimate the influence an experienced/ composed head can have. When everyone else panics and then you see your experienced players just playing as though nothing is wrong, it rubs off on the younger players. It is great to sign the best young talents but next season we are likely to have Milner out of the starting XI, Lucas sold, and our only other veteran is Klavan who is 4th choice centre back at best. Our older players (Milner, Klavan, Mignolet and Lallana) all lack composure and leadership qualities. We are fortunate Henderson has a head beyond his years, but we will struggle if his heel injury reoccurs.

Fair enough though lads. I put it out there as a suggestion and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Personally I'd drive to Spain to pick up Iniesta though.


8.) 05 Aug 2017 13:11:09
To prove I'm not always against you MK, Gary Mac is a perfect example of what I think you're trying to say. Experienced player came in, helped nurture some players and played a vital part in our treble season.

Experience is vital on the pitch.


9.) 05 Aug 2017 14:10:46
Exactly what I am getting at smplfc. By the way, I don't think you're deliberately against me buddy. Site would be boring if everyone agreed!


10.) 05 Aug 2017 14:43:14
You're talking from a purely footballing perspective, MKS. However, in this day and age of modern football, I'm dead sure team management considers a player's resale value before making a purchase. From that perspective alone, I'd say it's a no go because FSG has shown a track history of going for younger players that would be sold for a profit. We can argue about Iniesta's multitude or lack of skills from morning to night, and get no consensus. But the guys who sign the checks are frankly looking at it differently, and more concerned about the residual value of the player at the end of the contract.


11.) 05 Aug 2017 15:00:42
Unfortunately Ra, you a probably correct.


12.) 05 Aug 2017 18:26:45
Who will take the free kicks in the absence of Phil? Lol w couldn't even take corners properly! From the goal against Arsenal on the opening day to the one on the final day. Coutinho is much more than just a playmaker! Those who see a bright future after his departure would learn the hard way!
If there is a player similar to Coutinho, Barcelona wouldn't spend £100 mill in him! Only David Silva and Iniesta come alongside him!


13.) 05 Aug 2017 22:01:20
I think Iniesta has one of those footballing brains like the evergreen Italian Pirlo. sometimes you don't need to do all the running if you have a brain quicker than any oppositions legs. I think Inesta could give us a good few years (It will never happen though)


 

 

01 Aug 2017 20:24:26
Watching a half-fit Mane absolutely wreck Bayern Munich is a sight to behold! He could easily score 20+ if he stays fit for the whole 38 games.

Also, how much more solid do we look in this formation with Can and Henderson protecting the back 4?

I know it's only pre-season but i can't help it! Exciting times.

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17 Aug 2017 20:12:52
Draxler? He is so over rated. Cannot believe people would take dross like this, and moan about potentially signing Max Meyer.

Meyer is a decent little player who makes things tick. Draxler is an apparent goal scoring wide forward, but is just a German Balotelli. Bags of ability but no idea how to apply it consistently. His goal tallies are 13, 6, 2, 9, 10. He has had to move to France to get back to anything like the goal tally he had in 2012. In fact in the first half of last season he failed to score once for Wolfsburg due to his poor attitude. All 10 goals came after he signed for Paris.

He is an enigma. After we got burned by Balotelli, I'd hope we would stay away from players like this.

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17 Aug 2017 13:55:07
This is the sort of player we should be targetting. A real leader, with great aerial strength, who we know plays well alongside Matip as a bonus.

Additionally, he can play right back. Not that i want him to, but it just means if Arnold/ Moreno got caught up field, Howedes is comfortable defending in wide areas.

Hope to god this is true. Better player than VVD by a country mile.

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16 Aug 2017 21:51:03
I had Lukaku as captain. Firmino for the next round though if it's any consolation?

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15 Aug 2017 22:00:51
To be fair, if we want a McCallister type signing, Rakitic would be a good signing from what i've seen of him, but I respect Ed001's opinion and he seems convinced his legs have gone. So if we want an experienced signing, ask for Iniesta. He never had legs in the first place and makes the ball do all the work. He'd bring so much experience and composure to our midfield for the Champions league games or off the bench in games we need to keep possession in to see out a win.

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15 Aug 2017 21:11:15
Sergi Roberto would be my pick. Ed002 says he is not for sale though and that they may have to use him as part of another deal.

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21 Aug 2017 10:32:29
Dennis, if you read my article I basically said exactly the same thing as you mate.

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Saints must've read my article suggesting him as a VVD alternative 😉 haha.

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20 Aug 2017 20:07:10
VVD is a captain, but he is not a leader. Fonte was the leader at Saints. VVD is quiet and plays his own game. He cannot marshal a backline from a centre attacking midfield position which is where you can usually find him either on a suicidal run, or a light jog back into position. Of course, we didn't get to see a lot of VVD as the leader of the defence because he did his ankle straight after Fonte left. So maybe he could be different next to less authoritive partner.

The longer it goes without us signing VVS though, the more hopeful i am we will sign a proven leader.

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20 Aug 2017 14:38:35
Costa is getting unfair stick in my opinion. He is a bit of a tool on the pitch anyway, but i sympathise with his current situation.

At the end of the day i think we are all guilty of forgetting footballers are human, and playing is their job not their hobby. Some footballers hate it but just do it for money; Andy Carroll is a prime example.

If my boss text me and said he didn't want me working their anymore I'd have him in court. That is unprofessional on a ridiculous scale and in any other job if you then get forced out the door it would constitute as constructive dismissal. Footballers are slaves to their contracts (whatever way you look at it, refusing to let someone in the modern society work and live where they want is slavery - even if it is well paid) and we completely disregard their lives when talking about these things. People cruelly say things like "how can they be sad earning that much money" but happiness and money are not directly linked at all. There have been hundreds of incredibly rich people who have lost their lives to mental illness because they are too embarrassed to seek help, knowing full well the ridicule they will get; "but you're rich". If i was Costa there is no way I'd want to be in the same room as Conte so i completely understand his self prescribed exile. In fact i support his right to go wherever the hell he wants to go.

Just for one second, imagine you are unhappy with your life and you can't do anything about it because of a decision you made 6 months ago under different circumstances. Personally i disagree entirely with contracts in the game but i won't go into anymore details why as it is far too political for these pages.

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{Ed002's Note - I think you may want to read up on the rest of the story. Costa told Conte he wanted out the second week after Conte arrived last summer. He spent January meeting with potential suiters from China and businessmen looking to make the deal happen. He has constantly stayed in contact with Atletico Madrid. He has turned down the opportunities of loans and a move to Italy. This is of his own making.


 

 

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20 Aug 2017 14:25:51
You're joking right?

I like what Klopp has done on the pitch but his transfer dealing has been an absolute embarassment. The mans arrogance exceeds that of Rodgers, even if he is slightly less mouthy to the press.

I kind of see where you are coming from in that he has got us competing on a relatively low budget but the only reason we haven't spent big money is because he keeps screwing up the deals with his disrespectful, arrogant behaviour. He literally thinks he has the right to tap players up and then moan about losing his own players.

I wish he was working under a director of football. Klopp needs to be cut out of all transfer negotiations, and he needs to be forced to take on a proper defensive coach. Not an ex-player who will kiss his back side, but a proper old school defensive coach like Phelan, Wilkins, Clarke, Karanka etc.

He is a great tactical coach. People who say he is bad at tactics are clueless because tactically poor managers don't beat the big sides. He is actually a very poor motivator contrary to popular belief, as is shown by his inability to get his players up for the smaller games. He is also a very poor judge of defenders, and he has no clue about set piece defending. His actual open play tactics are great though. We rarely ever get dominated and are almost always the team in control. Against the big teams where he doesn't need to worry about motivating or focusing the players we are fine.

I think he is unfairly criticised for his record in finals. Finals are a lottery. Our last 3 final victories (CL 05, FA 06, LC 12) were all penalty wins. We have a bigger issue regarding finals that is more down to our players not coping with the pressure of winning trophies at historically one of the top 5 clubs in Europe, than managers making tactical errors. How can anyone blame Klopp for a lost shoot out and the Moreno comedy show?

Overall, decent coach who needs to accept help where needed before he ends up sacked for either off field discrepancies or on field results (or lack of) .

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