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22 Jun 2013 11:38:16
Hi Eds and Red. Is it fair to suggest that the transfer budget has been used on these first four signings and that future player purchases will be dependent on player sales? If so, do you believe all monies made from sales would be made available for purchases? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the finances as it causes confusion as folks seem to struggle with anything other than the fee itself. What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}


1.) Super Agent. now that's a cool job!

2.) God agents are money-grabbing *****

3.) Thanks for this insight to how it works and costs involved Ed0002 eye opener.

4.) Id love to go for a drink with you ed002 your a very knowledgeable person indeed




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11 Apr 2017 00:20:24
It might just be that 70 points will be enough for 4th place. With their respective run ins, I can't see United or Arsenal getting more than 12 or 13 more points this season.
Or have I just said something that others thought but didn't dare to say?
If anyone is fearing I have jinxed things, I can take this statement back 😉.


1.) 11 Apr 2017 00:47:49
Man utd have a terrible run in, playing Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Tottenham. Arsenal look lost but can still come back.

On the other hand I don't think we'll find it easy either. We have lost Mane, who is so much more than just our top scorer, and also Hendo and Llalana. Our run in looks easier but have some tough away games so likely to drop points too. I think we'll be ok though with Coutinho, Firmino and Can looking to be hitting form at just the right time.

Think we'll be in top 4 with 2-3 points spare so long as we don't play a back three again!

2.) 11 Apr 2017 02:51:34
Agree with you on Utd and that Klopp should ditch the 3 at the back cos our players have no clue how to play in that system and this is not the time to start experimenting especially vs WB on the road.
I do disagree with Arsenal being our rivals. They have lost 4 or 5 straight away games conceding 3 goals in each game. That team looked shattered today and after 10 mins, you could see that they were not up for it. Like vs us, CP didn't even have to break a sweat to beat them and that is the problem. They were outworked, outfought and dare I say, outcoached by Big Sam then again, outcoaching an outdated dinosaur like Wenger is nothing to be proud of anymore.

Do you see them beating Saints (won 3 in a row), Spurs, Utd and Everton? I don't even know how they will keep a clean sheet. All in all, Top 4 is ours to lose provided we don't start reinventing the wheel and screwing up.

3.) 11 Apr 2017 03:58:06
1 game at a time guys, next on the list is west brom.

4.) 11 Apr 2017 08:33:04
All this proposition would change if we lose at West Brom. So let's go easy.

5.) 11 Apr 2017 15:55:23
Spot on, Harry. One game at a time.

6.) 11 Apr 2017 17:04:13
West Brom will cause us major problems from set pieces, if we can get past those and get another 3 big points, we are on our way to Champions League, this is were we belong, and yes, one game at a time .
I do think that things do have to change at Arsenal, or they will be in freefall, but Wenger does deserve some praise when he does leave, while being stubbern, he has been class over his 20 years in the one club .

7.) 11 Apr 2017 18:50:11
Looking at Uniteds run in they play City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Crystal Palace so I think if we can win at least 75% our games then it's possible that we'll get 4th. Bearing in mind Arsenal are capitulating I think we can start to feel more confident.

8.) 11 Apr 2017 19:09:29
Red, Wenger has ruined his own credibility and tho he will get praise, he has overstayed his welcome and left when the crowd are still booing him off stage. This is all his fault.

9.) 11 Apr 2017 21:43:11
Red, I agree that Wenger has overstayed his welcome, and in fact he should have moved on maybe 3/ 4 years ago, but his players are now letting the club down, not going to get top four now, and giving Liverpool an edge for Champions League .



10 Apr 2017 13:30:11
Hello EDs. Suggestion that LFC could spend close to 200 million this summer - think it might have been the echo suggesting it. Question is, do you expect anything like this level of spending from us?
I can't even see us spending 100 million. Surely we don't have the finances to spend at that level, even if we did move a number of players on.


{Ed002's Note - I cannot estimate the amount Liverpool will spend - I suspect it is simply speculation.}

1.) 10 Apr 2017 14:05:17
Where did you find that information from? No club ever publishes that so the information you have is nothing but fake news.

Also, I didn't see us spending 34m on Mane either as yet we did so I would hold on and see what happens before passing premature judgement on something that has not happened yet.

2.) 10 Apr 2017 14:30:12
There is no fixed budget. Pretty sure Klopp will look to strengthen some key areas of the squad like a new LB, CDM, CB, RB and a winger. Getting these positions sorted will possibly cost the club around 100 million itself and i think Klopp's business will be done for the summer. Any more signings will be dependent on key players leaving so the 200 million budget is just fantasy.

3.) 10 Apr 2017 14:42:03
I'm not an expert on FFP but I'm pretty sure Liverpool don't have that kind of cash to spend surely!

4.) 10 Apr 2017 15:21:53
Seen the article you're talking about. 100m plus 100m from selling players.

5.) 10 Apr 2017 15:49:21
It's pure guess work, the article states we will look to move on Sturridge, Sakho and a few others bringing in a fair amount of money but if we can't get the players we want I'm sure we won't be stupid enough to spend for the sake of it. If first choice options are viable I'm sure we will spend in the summer but bear in mind we are not the only clubs looking at Brandt, Dembele, Keita etc.

6.) 10 Apr 2017 20:25:43
100 mill from selling players lol? Which players. We might have to give cash to the buyers to take our players!

7.) 10 Apr 2017 20:56:20
As the eds say there is no set budget. If the right player is there at the right price then money is available.

Also 200mil isn't what it used to be.

As for the 100mil from player sales. sakho, sturridge, markovic, mignolet. to name a few.

8.) 10 Apr 2017 23:32:11
we should get 50 mill just on Sakho and Sturridge alone, so 100 mill on outgoing players is doable .

9.) 11 Apr 2017 10:32:19
50mil for Sakho and Sturridge? You must be having a laugh. One of the Eds has already said that teams will be looking to get a loan-to-buy for Sturridge and we'll be lucky to get back what we paid for Sakho. Add to that the £5m we might get for Migs, £2m for Lucas (apparently) and maybe £10m for Markovic were not even close to £50m let alone £100.
The only way we get to triple figures is if we lose Coutinho and that's the worst thing that could happen.



15 Jan 2017 20:14:43
So, do we field a complete 2nd XI for the Plymouth game so the regular XI get a weeks rest before Swansea, even if this results in an upset and FA cup exit?


1.) 15 Jan 2017 20:19:59
Yes league is much more important than the fa cup

2.) 15 Jan 2017 20:21:18
The youngsters should see through these types of game for any chances in the first team. Play youngsters against Plymouth and rest the seniors.

3.) 15 Jan 2017 20:23:56
I think the youngsters need to be given this opportunity they have to be given games and the first team are coming into the make or break time of the season.

4.) 15 Jan 2017 20:43:06
Think sturridge will play might give coutinho an hour as well and hopefully matip

5.) 15 Jan 2017 20:44:04
No. Matip needs game time, Sturridge also. Maybe a few others to mix with the kids.

6.) 15 Jan 2017 20:49:17
Think sturridge will play maybe coutinho for an hour and hopefully matip

7.) 15 Jan 2017 22:26:41
Migs was always a decent shot stopper. It was his uncertainty at crosses and distribution on the ground that led to mistakes been made.

He seems to be thriving at the challenge from Karius day in and out in training.

He was brilliant today and contributed to a well earned away point at Utd.



31 Dec 2016 20:35:04
The last game of the year possibly proved to be the one where we had to dig in and be resilient the most. I am over the moon that we put in that type of display, proving we do have the ability to grind out a 1-0 against one of the best attacks in Europe.
However, we can't afford to slip up at Sunderland. Let's get 2017 off and running in a similar way to how 2016 ended.
Happy New Year to every one of you and a special thanks to the Eds for another fantastic year on these pages.
Have a safe one guys and girls. Much love.




28 Dec 2016 17:11:23
Must say I was delighted to see Waro on form and helping the Mancs keep some perspective about their recent upturn in form with a couple of posts on their banter page. I was so delighted I pitched in too to show my support (and to wind them up a little) . Hope fully, after that, we can put on a good show against City.


1.) 28 Dec 2016 18:15:12
I hate it when we get called deluded when a Manc is saying that they're going to win two trophies this year including the Europa league and they're going to finish 2nd or 3rd.
We on the other hand are taking things one game at a time. I haven't seen one person get carried away yet. Anyway, I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, so it's nice to have friendly debates with fans of other teams. We all are biased to our own teams anyway.

2.) 28 Dec 2016 18:38:07
haha just had a look
Loving waro having a pop at the mancs
Nice to see youve found an outlet for your anger issues waro, keep up the good work son.

Please don't let harry over there though, we'll be a laughing stock by the day is out. sorry harry, but waro is the sakho/ tommy smith/ souness of these pages.
Harry is more of a djimmi traore/ harry kewell of these pages

Top job waro.

3.) 28 Dec 2016 19:31:14
Harry is Istvan Kozma or Sean Dundee.

4.) 28 Dec 2016 20:00:06
Da Red Man, agreed. I am not entering into talk of winning the league or even taking a top 4 place for granted. Each game as it comes.
As for united, I agree with Waro - the fixtures are quite kind to them in that fixtures against the top teams are spread out amongst a run of winnable games. I argued on the Mancs banter page at the start of the season about how often they have favourable fixtures at the start of the season.

5.) 28 Dec 2016 21:06:09
Cheers boys, just had a quick look on there page and felt they needed an attitude adjustment because of the nonsensical babbel they were posting. I just can't help myself, your right sandon mate, I need an outlet for my anger and the mancs are fair game hahahaha.

6.) 28 Dec 2016 21:54:32
That reminds me. we haven't seen disney/ sidney for what seems like years. maybe he's hiding in moyses basement

Managed to score a ticket to lpool man city on saturday in the main stand section L10. in the sandon for a burger an hour before kick off. Anyone been in the L10 part of the main stand before?
Anyone fancy a pint in the sandon, ill be wearing my favorite kit

We all

7.) 28 Dec 2016 22:02:11
I've got a 40th birthday party in there straight after the game the sandon, i'll look out for ye mate. On another note ed025 is looking after his brethren on the mancs page, blues living there dreams through mancs, does it get any sadder.

{Ed025's Note - i edit the united page as well waro, dont try and turn the good folk on here against me for your own agenda you toxic person.

8.) 28 Dec 2016 22:34:33
Waro, whilst I agreed with your sentiment on the United banter page, I think you're going a bit far trying to push Ed025's buttons. From what I have seen of him, he has a pretty fair and balanced opinion, except when you get him talking about Hendo.

9.) 28 Dec 2016 22:45:32
It doesn't matter Ed025. No one expect waro would turn against you I can assure you that.

{Ed025's Note - cheers harry, i would like to think your right mate as i feel i give a balanced view, i dont like the baiting of other supporters just to stir up hatred because we seen at the derby how nasty things can get, i was ashamed of some of the chanting and vile songs there mainly by blues and feel there is enough hatred in this world without it entering our leisure time..

10.) 28 Dec 2016 22:47:32
Whoa, why my flabber has never been so gasted ed025, i'm not trying to turn anyone against you at all. Look at the thread! It is about myself venturing onto the man u page then you popped up saying we're obsessed with united which may well be the case with some but not all. Do you really want to be that ed who can say what he wants but censors others? I will refrain from name calling because i'm bigger than that, i'd urge you to calm down my mate.

{Ed025's Note - my reply was in response to you baiting them waro, its not banter when it turns nasty mate and i wanted you to feel what its like to have your club trashed. we can do without the hassle..

11.) 28 Dec 2016 22:53:50
The Sandon

Not sure what you are taking about. Sticking your nose into a UTD page for no reason is not my cup of tea mate. You aren't winning the world over an argument with some UTD supporters. Did they not remind waro of our lack of success for the past 26 years?
You mean the same Waro who couldn't spare a single day without abusing FSG and owners, I am more than satisfied I am not like him.

12.) 28 Dec 2016 22:59:25
Yeah sorry ed025. i usually agree with a lot of what u say but u came across as "bitter" on your first reply onthe mancs page
If u had spent more time on here over the last few years u would know what waros just having some banter with the mancs, no more than sydney used to give us or Blayne used to give them.
I suggest using the "search function" for disney! And read into the history of the banter on here
After all this is called a liverpool banter site.

{Ed025's Note - this is sandon and i would not allow a manc to say what waro did on theirs mate, i have explained why i said what i did and thats the reason why blayne and sidney are names of the past..

13.) 28 Dec 2016 23:11:22
Harry your a buffoon and not someone I wish to challange as i'd be on a hiding to nothing as I think English is'nt your first language. Ed025, it was you who started name calling and I know you won't believe it but I wasn't bating it was my genuine opinion.

{Ed025's Note - lets just leave it there waro..

14.) 28 Dec 2016 23:16:27
Same here Waro. I have better work than having anything with you mate. Find some one who is equally good at mocking others.
Good luck mate.

15.) 28 Dec 2016 23:20:36
Ok no probs
Id b intetested to hear what ed001 thinks about the whole banter part of the site. Its been tit for tat for years between teams
The songs sung about each other (not the ones that cross the line) . there's battles going on every week and there's never a one sided affair as its swings and roundabouts.
If the mancs start winning again and the toffees beat us once in the next 100 derbys im sure we'll get loads and crawl back under our rocks. that's surely what its all about?
as frank gallagher would say "it calms us all down and stops us going mental ". in other words wed all get bored and start kicking the crap out of each other like the 80's if we couldn't have a bit of banter at one anothers expense.
At the minute its our turn. live and let live i say.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

16.) 28 Dec 2016 23:28:47
Were second in the league at Christmas. Is this the pinnacle that we now feel we can start baiting the Mancs? Its embarrassing, at least wait until we have achieved something better than being higher in the league halfway through the season.

17.) 28 Dec 2016 23:32:13
And one last thing. harry i've just done a search on the manc page and youve been all over there the last three years. so don't give me "stickimg my nose on the utd page for no reason" harry
Wrong again sunshine. back on the bus son.

18.) 29 Dec 2016 02:51:38
Is having English as your first language a necessity to post your views or start a banter?
Just want to be sure of it as today its English tomorow it will be your religion ethnicity or even the size of your $! #@
Thanks waro.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think that was his point. I believe he was trying to say there is no way of knowing whether he means what he says the way it is typed, due to language mix ups. So you can be arguing over something he doesn't even mean.}




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11 Jun 2017 02:07:56
20 million or under, fine.
If the price is higher, move on.




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01 Jun 2017 08:56:17
I miss Macca 💔.




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01 Jun 2017 08:53:54
Some of you live in a fantasy world. Or have we managed to land ourselves some 'oil money' in the hours I have been asleep?
I agree that we need to spend the big bucks to keep up with city, Chelsea and united but we just don't have that money available to us. Therefore, astute buys and, importantly, world class coaching, will be what we need to set us apart from the rest.




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31 Dec 2016 00:40:50
I would love it if he just saw out the season with us - guys like him are priceless when it comes to a tilt at the title and IF we were to win it, he would be hugely deserving of a winners medal for his commitment and attitude in the face of those who felt he wasn't fit to wear the shirt. Lucas, as far as I am concerned, is a Liverpool player through and through and I would be sorry to see him go.




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27 Dec 2016 11:22:50
Harry, your original post suggested this was factual. "Massive breaking" "Liverpool ACCEPTED". Now you are suggesting it is rumour. Why make more of the situation than it is? Simply, Inter are interested, but we don't know if a) a bid has been made, b) LFC will accept or c) Lucas is interested. Non story for me at the moment.





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25 Jun 2017 10:47:38
Me too Ron. Remember a panto of Peter Pan, starring Vanilla Ice as Captain Hook, as a personal favourite!




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15 Jun 2017 00:26:21
United at home on opening day again. If they are not top by end of September then they will be under pressure.
ARe the fixtures actually done by computer?


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11 Jun 2017 10:05:17
Seriously? I hope he is ok and makes a speedy recovery.




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20 Apr 2017 19:19:50
Whilst some injuries may be a result of a tough training programme, a number of the key injuries, in my opinion, have not been the result of the training regime. Coutinho was contact injury, Mane was pure bad luck, Lallana twice injured on international duty, Henderson an ongoing issue with his heel. I think we have just been plain unlucky in a number of circumstances where other teams have been somewhat luckier. It happens like that sometimes. Hopefully next season we won't be as unlucky.


{Ed001's Note - if it was down to the training then the hardest trainers would be the ones suffering the muscle injuries ie Firmino. It is down to a lack of basic fitness by the players. They need to be pushed harder if anything.}



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20 Apr 2017 19:11:09
To be honest, I think that is one area we really struggle with - we don't appear to have too many natural
leaders in the squad. If I had to pick, I would probably say Lallana at this time, but would like to see a strong presence at centre back or midfield that has the qualities to captain the side.