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22 Jun 2013 11:38:16
Hi Eds and Red. Is it fair to suggest that the transfer budget has been used on these first four signings and that future player purchases will be dependent on player sales? If so, do you believe all monies made from sales would be made available for purchases? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the finances as it causes confusion as folks seem to struggle with anything other than the fee itself. What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}

BobbyF

1.) Super Agent. now that's a cool job!


2.) God agents are money-grabbing *****


3.) Thanks for this insight to how it works and costs involved Ed0002 eye opener.
chris


4.) Id love to go for a drink with you ed002 your a very knowledgeable person indeed


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2017 13:20:47
Ed001 and fellow reds, just want your take on what has happened between the end of last season and the beginning of this?
At the end of last season we looked and were significantly more solid - recording a number of clean sheets on the run in and with only one defeat in our last 10 or so games. Yet this season, the same players look all over the place again.
Is it just rustiness or hare we doing something materially different?

BobbyF

{Ed001's Note - looks like rustiness.}


 

 

13 Aug 2017 20:36:56
I am not advocating sacking Klopp but wanted to gauge opinion. Do you prefer the style of football we play; good attacking flair but crippled by defensive frailties, or would you prefer the approach adopted by someone like Simeone; a more pragmatic approach built on a solid defensive unit, but less likely to get you out of your seat?
For me, I want to see us win and if that means losing some flair in exchange for regular cleans sheets, I think I would take it - despite loving some of the football we play at times.

BobbyF

1.) 13 Aug 2017 21:05:29
Bobby, it is a fine line we have to walk regarding attacking flair and defensive steel. We are who we are. We are built to attack and we are darn awesome at it and would not change it for nothing as our players are not built for this. Our system may need to be tweaked defensively to mitigate against allowing attacks.

Also, you have to look at the nos. Yesterday, Watford only had 3 shots on target from open play. That is darn good defensive work away from home. We scored 3 goals and could have scored 5 had we taken our chances. That is how darn good we are offensively. But as we all know in football, set pieces are the greatest equalizer and that is how we blew the game.

Our defensive setup on set pieces was crap from the jump plus, if you have players who lack the leadership and bottle to attack crosses, remaining static when the ball is in the air whereas the opposition already has a running start on you, don't be shocked when you concede. VVD will not help you here. The setup and leadership qualities is what is at fault here esp. with players not taking charge of clearing the ball efficiently when it gets to them.


2.) 13 Aug 2017 21:02:49
Not at all, i think the football we play is what sets us apart from teams like chelsea and utd.

For longer than i can remember 3 of my mates (all utd) have been crying about the boring style of football their team has been playing.

We might have defensive problems and we may have only won 1 league cup in the last 10 years but i love watching my team slaughter the likes of city, spurs and arsenal with our high tempo fast flowing football.

I think poor defending is easier to fix than poor attack.


3.) 13 Aug 2017 21:37:33
Proof that any system works is shown by trophies and progress. Last year we got 4th, that's progress.

Can we build on that? Not if we lose key players and don't strengthen where weak.

Have we done that? As of yet, for me, the answer is no and we saw signs of the same mistakes and defensive frailties on Saturday.

If we don't have the quality players we have to change system. With Mane and Salah's pace do we have the perfect players for a strong defensive set up and hit on break?


4.) 13 Aug 2017 22:17:48
I like how we play. I just don't like how we've recruited. we don't often have a succession plan that is good enough to build on top of whichever player is heading out the door.
We've struggled to identify players who can play our style and also have that strength of character to pull us out of these kinds of lapses of concentration. I think we have genuinely good guys in the team who are genuine fighters at what they do best. But everyone's resilience is tested best when faced with trauma, and our guys haven't been able to consistently step up to the mark. It means we can compete, but that ultimately we're constantly fighting an uphill battle. cos eventually poor form and injuries will come, then it becomes about the leaders in the team who can pull us through. my view is that we haven't thought through that aspect of the recruiting very well.


5.) 13 Aug 2017 23:26:41
If we ever started playing defensively I guarantee the chants around the stadium will be
"Attack, attack. Attack attack attack. " which we haven't heard for some years now 😂
I myself love goal galore games because it is entertaining. Our defence being so brittle and conceding so many goals keeps my heart rate metabolism extremely high and the goals we score bring joy after joy.


 

 

11 Apr 2017 00:20:24
It might just be that 70 points will be enough for 4th place. With their respective run ins, I can't see United or Arsenal getting more than 12 or 13 more points this season.
Or have I just said something that others thought but didn't dare to say?
If anyone is fearing I have jinxed things, I can take this statement back 😉.

BobbyF

1.) 11 Apr 2017 00:47:49
Man utd have a terrible run in, playing Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Tottenham. Arsenal look lost but can still come back.

On the other hand I don't think we'll find it easy either. We have lost Mane, who is so much more than just our top scorer, and also Hendo and Llalana. Our run in looks easier but have some tough away games so likely to drop points too. I think we'll be ok though with Coutinho, Firmino and Can looking to be hitting form at just the right time.

Think we'll be in top 4 with 2-3 points spare so long as we don't play a back three again!


2.) 11 Apr 2017 02:51:34
Agree with you on Utd and that Klopp should ditch the 3 at the back cos our players have no clue how to play in that system and this is not the time to start experimenting especially vs WB on the road.
I do disagree with Arsenal being our rivals. They have lost 4 or 5 straight away games conceding 3 goals in each game. That team looked shattered today and after 10 mins, you could see that they were not up for it. Like vs us, CP didn't even have to break a sweat to beat them and that is the problem. They were outworked, outfought and dare I say, outcoached by Big Sam then again, outcoaching an outdated dinosaur like Wenger is nothing to be proud of anymore.

Do you see them beating Saints (won 3 in a row), Spurs, Utd and Everton? I don't even know how they will keep a clean sheet. All in all, Top 4 is ours to lose provided we don't start reinventing the wheel and screwing up.


3.) 11 Apr 2017 03:58:06
1 game at a time guys, next on the list is west brom.


4.) 11 Apr 2017 08:33:04
All this proposition would change if we lose at West Brom. So let's go easy.


5.) 11 Apr 2017 15:55:23
Spot on, Harry. One game at a time.


6.) 11 Apr 2017 17:04:13
West Brom will cause us major problems from set pieces, if we can get past those and get another 3 big points, we are on our way to Champions League, this is were we belong, and yes, one game at a time .
I do think that things do have to change at Arsenal, or they will be in freefall, but Wenger does deserve some praise when he does leave, while being stubbern, he has been class over his 20 years in the one club .


7.) 11 Apr 2017 18:50:11
Looking at Uniteds run in they play City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Crystal Palace so I think if we can win at least 75% our games then it's possible that we'll get 4th. Bearing in mind Arsenal are capitulating I think we can start to feel more confident.


8.) 11 Apr 2017 19:09:29
Red, Wenger has ruined his own credibility and tho he will get praise, he has overstayed his welcome and left when the crowd are still booing him off stage. This is all his fault.


9.) 11 Apr 2017 21:43:11
Red, I agree that Wenger has overstayed his welcome, and in fact he should have moved on maybe 3/ 4 years ago, but his players are now letting the club down, not going to get top four now, and giving Liverpool an edge for Champions League .


 

 

10 Apr 2017 13:30:11
Hello EDs. Suggestion that LFC could spend close to 200 million this summer - think it might have been the echo suggesting it. Question is, do you expect anything like this level of spending from us?
I can't even see us spending 100 million. Surely we don't have the finances to spend at that level, even if we did move a number of players on.

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - I cannot estimate the amount Liverpool will spend - I suspect it is simply speculation.}


1.) 10 Apr 2017 14:05:17
Where did you find that information from? No club ever publishes that so the information you have is nothing but fake news.

Also, I didn't see us spending 34m on Mane either as yet we did so I would hold on and see what happens before passing premature judgement on something that has not happened yet.


2.) 10 Apr 2017 14:30:12
There is no fixed budget. Pretty sure Klopp will look to strengthen some key areas of the squad like a new LB, CDM, CB, RB and a winger. Getting these positions sorted will possibly cost the club around 100 million itself and i think Klopp's business will be done for the summer. Any more signings will be dependent on key players leaving so the 200 million budget is just fantasy.


3.) 10 Apr 2017 14:42:03
I'm not an expert on FFP but I'm pretty sure Liverpool don't have that kind of cash to spend surely!


4.) 10 Apr 2017 15:21:53
Seen the article you're talking about. 100m plus 100m from selling players.


5.) 10 Apr 2017 15:49:21
It's pure guess work, the article states we will look to move on Sturridge, Sakho and a few others bringing in a fair amount of money but if we can't get the players we want I'm sure we won't be stupid enough to spend for the sake of it. If first choice options are viable I'm sure we will spend in the summer but bear in mind we are not the only clubs looking at Brandt, Dembele, Keita etc.


6.) 10 Apr 2017 20:25:43
100 mill from selling players lol? Which players. We might have to give cash to the buyers to take our players!


7.) 10 Apr 2017 20:56:20
As the eds say there is no set budget. If the right player is there at the right price then money is available.

Also 200mil isn't what it used to be.

As for the 100mil from player sales. sakho, sturridge, markovic, mignolet. to name a few.


8.) 10 Apr 2017 23:32:11
we should get 50 mill just on Sakho and Sturridge alone, so 100 mill on outgoing players is doable .


9.) 11 Apr 2017 10:32:19
50mil for Sakho and Sturridge? You must be having a laugh. One of the Eds has already said that teams will be looking to get a loan-to-buy for Sturridge and we'll be lucky to get back what we paid for Sakho. Add to that the £5m we might get for Migs, £2m for Lucas (apparently) and maybe £10m for Markovic were not even close to £50m let alone £100.
The only way we get to triple figures is if we lose Coutinho and that's the worst thing that could happen.


 

 

15 Jan 2017 20:14:43
So, do we field a complete 2nd XI for the Plymouth game so the regular XI get a weeks rest before Swansea, even if this results in an upset and FA cup exit?

BobbyF

1.) 15 Jan 2017 20:19:59
Yes league is much more important than the fa cup


2.) 15 Jan 2017 20:21:18
The youngsters should see through these types of game for any chances in the first team. Play youngsters against Plymouth and rest the seniors.


3.) 15 Jan 2017 20:23:56
I think the youngsters need to be given this opportunity they have to be given games and the first team are coming into the make or break time of the season.


4.) 15 Jan 2017 20:43:06
Think sturridge will play might give coutinho an hour as well and hopefully matip


5.) 15 Jan 2017 20:44:04
No. Matip needs game time, Sturridge also. Maybe a few others to mix with the kids.


6.) 15 Jan 2017 20:49:17
Think sturridge will play maybe coutinho for an hour and hopefully matip


7.) 15 Jan 2017 22:26:41
Migs was always a decent shot stopper. It was his uncertainty at crosses and distribution on the ground that led to mistakes been made.

He seems to be thriving at the challenge from Karius day in and out in training.

He was brilliant today and contributed to a well earned away point at Utd.


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2017 21:45:55
I thought the unwritten rule was never to have a United player in your team, let alone one captaining it!

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16 Aug 2017 13:03:04
Macca - appreciated as always mate. If we do hold on to Coutinho, I just hope he knuckles down and reaches new levels. It still feels unlikely that we will get either VVD or Keith, but that is because there hasn't been any movement on either for weeks and their clubs seem adamant that neither will be sold. I hope your sources are right on this and both get over the line.

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10 Aug 2017 11:12:47
85 million euros with 15 million in ads ons. sorry but that is short of the mark. No thanks.

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22 Jul 2017 02:40:38
If we get a transfer ban for tapping up players then we won't get any targets whatsoever.
I don't care what other clubs do, I just want my club to have the values and principles that reflect honesty, openness and fair play. How great would it be to win things knowing that we also managed it by conducting ourselves in the appropriate manner?
Besides, surely the tapping up is only increasing the value of the transfers we do? If we hadn't gone near vvd, would we have had him by now for £45-£50 million? Would Salah have been signed for £5m less?

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21 Jul 2017 20:38:03
I didn't think we made much, if anything at all, on shirt sales. I mentioned this the other day - I can't see two huge purchases in vvd and Keita unless we make a big sale. I genuinely hope this is not the case.

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20 Aug 2017 22:34:51
Cheeky ed.

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19 Aug 2017 01:32:54
Back in the day, when I went out drinking on a Friday night, I might round the evening off by calling up a mate in the early hours and singing a song down the phone or leave it as a voice message.
The modern day equivalent is turning up here, late on a Friday night, probably drunk, asking ED002 to explain FFP, shirt sales, VVD updates etc.
Got to love it when your mates try winding you up.

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17 Aug 2017 20:20:34
Sounds like we need a transfer committee, Ed 😱.

BobbyF

{Ed001's Note - I wonder why no one has thought of that before.....}


 

 

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17 Aug 2017 17:50:49
Just remember Konchesky and Poulsen. that was the worst window ever.

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17 Aug 2017 16:50:31
I agree Seano. Would be good to see other top players join Mata and Hummels in this.

BobbyF