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15 Oct 2017 11:43:10
Ed001what's your gut feeling on Liverpool going into the transfer market in January? I know it's not a ideal time to move buy we really are crying our for a CB and a DM.

BarryinLouth

{Ed001's Note - I expect us to try once more for VVD to be honest.}


1.) 15 Oct 2017 12:30:48
Should we not get VVD I fear De Vrij could be a target, surely not? I can't think off the top of my head who would be available/ want to join us in Jan or even summer, somebody good enough that is. De Vrij isn't, he wouldn't improve us at all but his name is been banded about and I don't like the idea of it one bit.


2.) 15 Oct 2017 12:25:48
Ed 001 who can your realistically see us singing in the next two windows? I know it’s guess work but who would you sign?

{Ed001's Note - I am sure there will be a few choruses of You'll Never Walk Alone. ;-)

Seriously, not a clue, VVD is still wanted but looks out of reach. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a right back brought in though as well as a centre back.

I really do not know who I would sign, it is still a long way off January and that is not really the time to do any major squad work. The summer will be dictated in large part by the World Cup.}


3.) 15 Oct 2017 14:05:29
Okay thank you Ed! Definitely want a CB in Jan.


4.) 15 Oct 2017 20:25:59
Lucas played 90 minutes for Lazio in a 2 _1 win at juventus they ain't been beat there for time he would been ideal patrolling in front of defence this season til we get someone else too do job allowing front 5 too do there thing, saves money if u keep the right players playing in right positions also wid valuable experience.


5.) 15 Oct 2017 21:23:42
Vvd most definitely is not the answer to our defensive woes. As Eds1 said about a year ago he daydreams.


6.) 15 Oct 2017 23:56:37
Maybe he day dreaming bout us, there are other centre backs out there crazy we can't identify any an bring them in too add strength too our weaknesses.


7.) 15 Oct 2017 20:43:36
Ed001 - is the news of a right back because TAA and Gomez aren't progressing as quickly as possible. Or are they looking to move Gomez into the centre?

{Ed001's Note - because Clyne is unwanted and TAA is not expected to have a future there. Long term Gomez is expected to move central, but not for a couple of seasons at least.}


8.) 15 Oct 2017 22:06:54
I'm surprised you say we may look for a right back considering how well Joe Gomez and Trent Alexander-Arnold have been playing in that position - surely it would only limit their chances in the team?

Unless of course Gomez is to be used at centre back and TAA in midfield/ on the wing going forward.

Thoughts Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - TAA has not been impressing though, he has struggled defensively.}


9.) 16 Oct 2017 01:08:00
You mention that you think a right back will come in, I'd have thought that would be the least of our worries with TAA, Gomez, Flanno and Clyne all on the books. Are you expecting multiple departures in January?

{Ed001's Note - Clyne is completely unwanted, he was playing last season out of necessity, he is going as soon as the club can get rid. Flanno is still not anywhere near his best and TAA is struggling with the defensive side and is likely to move into midfield.}


10.) 16 Oct 2017 03:01:37
Another RB? Looks like Clyne's days are numbered and Gomez might be going back to CB. Not convinced by VVD still especially at 70 million pounds. Klopp needs to get this right with the fees being bandied about.
Any idea which RB the club might look to? Plus we also need a striker with Sturridge not making an impression and both Origi and INgs unlikely to get a look in again. Timo Werner would be a great addition. Along with Gabriel Jesus, he is the other young striker i am most impressed with.

{Ed001's Note - Henrichs, Pereira, Tete, Marusic - off the top of my head we have looked at all four, though it is a long way off so not yet sure which is likely, as it is probably going to be for the summer. The RB was about the next 2 windows. Clyne's days have been numbered for a while.}


11.) 16 Oct 2017 09:25:05
Ed good info as usual mate, regarding VVD you say you expect us to push for him in Han but you also say he looks out of reach? Just puzzled as why we don't look at another CB if indeed he is out if reach.

{Ed001's Note - because he is the one Klopp really wants.}


12.) 16 Oct 2017 10:13:10
Interesting your comments ed 01, I have thought for a while Trent more suited too a midfield role, I can't believe we don't want clyne he is best right back we have, Gomez is excellent but inexperienced an more suited too centre back, again with all this in mind jus points too really bad preparation in transfer window for such a pivotal season, we also have baggage of 3 quality players who are on there way out an don't want too b with us.

{Ed001's Note - Clyne is awful. What good is a player who can't attack nor defend?}


13.) 16 Oct 2017 12:32:54
Gomez's development is on track. If he continues to perform like he did last Saturday when he showed a maturity well beyond his tender years I can see him becoming a fixture of this LFC side.


14.) 16 Oct 2017 13:40:40
Gomez is the real deal for me to be honest I think he's got a huge part to play for us.


 

 

31 Aug 2017 08:36:54
Ed where are we with Lemar? Are we anywhere near a medical or are negotiations still on going?

BarryinLouth

{Ed001's Note - I am not aware of any medical yet, but there is plenty of time, we can agree to sign him subject to a medical anyway and then do the medical after the window shuts. The medical is not really an issue.}


1.) 31 Aug 2017 08:42:13
Does this mean the deal is likely? Reports Klopp will look to spend Β£175m today, that's got to be on VVD and Lemar isn't it at those kind of figures?


2.) 31 Aug 2017 08:48:18
U think deal is possible ed.

{Ed001's Note - yes it is possible. Probable even.}


3.) 31 Aug 2017 09:01:44
Yes ed1!


4.) 31 Aug 2017 09:01:44
Thank's for the reply Ed best of luck today. I can parachute you in so Valium if you get stuck.

{Ed001's Note - please do.}


5.) 31 Aug 2017 09:04:32
I could be very wrong but MAYBE Lemar is dependant on Coutinho leaving - which MAYBE a deal maybe announced tomorrow - preventing us being held to ransom on signing a replacement.
It might be Coutinho can leave, subject to us signing his replacement.
A few possible maybe's but all possible, or we may just sign Lemar anyway!

On a separate note, thanks mainly to Eds and all for one of our most entertaining, busy and exciting transfer windows - it's been emotional!


6.) 31 Aug 2017 09:00:45
Cheers buddy not very often I post so thanks an good luck for today.


7.) 31 Aug 2017 09:07:29
What about this guy Stan by the medical staff are waiting at the airport to see?


8.) 31 Aug 2017 09:16:54
Hi Eds, do you think with less than 24 hours VVD deal can happen?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}


9.) 31 Aug 2017 09:52:50
Ed01. Do you want the 2mg or the 5mg Valium? I have both. I've been using mostly the 5mg since the last week. This window has shattered my personal life.

{Ed001's Note - just give me them all.....}


10.) 31 Aug 2017 09:29:55
Ed002, do you simply copy and paste that response - you must have it set as a standard answer by now! Understandably so too.
The site is for people like me to read and see what others are saying, that's why I come here anyway, and for the banter of course
Keep fighting the good fight Eds πŸ‘.


11.) 31 Aug 2017 10:47:24
Eds I can always send some morphine patches if needed as well.

{Ed001's Note - I always knew you lot were off your faces when you posted on here! At least you are all admitting it now.....}


12.) 31 Aug 2017 11:19:32
Flurba flurba weeeeeedd hic 😜.


13.) 31 Aug 2017 11:20:10
Off our faces? More like pleasantly buzzed.


 

 

03 Jan 2017 16:24:59
Just read about a young CB hopefully coming for a trial from Coventry it would be great if it works out.

BarryinLouth

 

 

10 Oct 2015 17:26:47
Ed002 do you think JK will have money for January or will he have to make do till the summer?

BarryinLouth

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Liverpool looking to do anything in January at this time - Klipperty has not even met the players. The one player they were seeming looking at was of interest to the old regime. Also the club would need to make space for any incoming players.}


 

 

 

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22 Sep 2017 20:05:04
Ed025 you've got a objective view mate. Oviously you've seen all the post's in relation to the"lack of leadership"in the team. Would agree that we need a vocal both in the dressing room and on the pitch? Player's that come to mind are Peter Reid, Kevin Rathcliff, Graham Souness and of course Carra.

BarryinLouth

{Ed025's Note - very much so barry, some players who are very vocal will drag the others up by their boot laces when things are not going well, john terry was one of them, a despicable human the same as roy keane but they got that extra 10% out of their teammates when it was needed, carra was limited football wise for me but was worth his place in the team because he organised and cajoled those around him to concentrate and perform, hendo is a bit wish washy for me and the only one i see with the credentials for that role at liverpool is emre can but it looks like he will be on his way next year mate..


1.) 22 Sep 2017 20:29:08
I'd be curious to know who you think we should be buying to be the vocal leader in the dressing room, because everyone you mentioned is long retired.

{Ed025's Note - can is still playing smeg, i dont really have the answer to who i think you could recruit to fill that role mate, they need a bit of devilment in them though and be prepared to leave their foot in when required for the sake of the team, not a thug but someone who will be clever about skirting with the rules a bit and gets in the refs ear, graham souness was for me your best ever captain and he had those traits in abundance...he would do nicely..


2.) 22 Sep 2017 20:33:49
To me that's exactly the type of player we need. A player who's not afraid to give a bollicking on the field or in the dressing room. That will help the defense keep their shape. Make sure the midfielders know when to attack or cover even though the player's should know all this anyway but you still need a strong vocal player on the pitch. Every successful team had 1 sometimes even 2 Ed.

{Ed025's Note - they are worth their weight in gold barry, but there are not many about these days since its become a namby pamby non-contact sport mate..


3.) 22 Sep 2017 20:55:08
Ahh Ed don't even go there with the rolling round looking for a perfect 10 from the Sweedish judge.

{Ed025's Note - my middle name is perfection barry.. :)


4.) 22 Sep 2017 20:55:32
Anyone can be a mouthy get and give players a bollocking, even Neil Ruddock.
What you need, and ed001 has already mentioned this, is an intelligent leader.
A leader who can read the game. Souness got listened to because they knew he was right. He could read the game, spot the weaknesses in our team and the opponents. They are not that common in the game 🀝.

{Ed025's Note - sadly your right ron they are very rare but i think liverpool are in desperate need for one, they are a bit rudderless for me mate..


5.) 22 Sep 2017 21:06:31
The dressing room's been decimated in terms of leadership in the last few years. And it's not just obvious ones like Carra and Gerrard, or even Reina, Agger and Suarez who are gone. A 2010 vintage Dirk Kuyt would probably captain our current side. Ditto Bellamy from his second spell here.

This wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have so many players who just do not seem to give a fiddlers against 'weaker' teams, or throw in the towel if things aren't going completely our way. Wijnaldum on his day is an excellent midfielder. Yet he's turned in quite a few utter non-performances since joining. If he was crap, it'd be one thing, but he clearly isn't. So why have there been so many games where we've actually wondered is he on the pitch? Lallana's another. Matip too. He's actually the best center back at the club by a mile when he gives 100%. But he's spending more games ambling around in a daze than not at this stage.

I'm not sure Can would be the answer even if he was staying, he's nowhere near as bad as Gini or Lallana, but he's gone awol a few times when the chips have been down.


6.) 22 Sep 2017 21:24:30
Going AWOL when the chips are down? Sounds like most Liverpool supporters!

{Ed025's Note - if i agree i will get abused smeg.. :)


7.) 22 Sep 2017 21:25:07
Before we get too carried away with what a great example Souness is to us all it is worth remembering that he sold the story of his coronary bypass to that disgusting rag a couple of years after Hillsborough.

{Ed025's Note - massive faux pas that RP, but as a player he was immense mate, like all the good ones he had that horrible streak..


8.) 22 Sep 2017 21:25:44
And you told me your middle name was Patricia Ed. You naughty boy!

{Ed025's Note - thats only when i cross dress barry, which is usually the first tuesday in the month mate..


9.) 23 Sep 2017 01:47:41
We'd absolutely kill for a Carra now whatever about limited football wise ed025 he was a heart on his sleeve give everything you've got never lie down player who was absolutely top class. Someone to rely on. Even if a mistake was made or (own goal πŸ™ˆ) he never got stick because you knew 1 he would bail you out so many times through the season and 2 because the own goals were mostly from him throwing himself at lost causes. Absolute legend.


10.) 23 Sep 2017 12:18:12
Ed01 has said that intelligent leaders are hard to find right now as coaches are looking for Yes men as players. An intelligent leader is not a Yes man and Souness was not a Yes man, I don't think. Such leaders are an extension of the manager on the pitch as they know where everyone is supposed to be, the setups, tactics, and if the are not doing their jobs, he has been empowered to get in your face. Managers don't do that right now as they are so insecure hence, don't like being challenged. Just my take.


 

 

21 Sep 2017 15:35:08
sorry for going over old ground but can you ever see a DoF working with JK at Liverpool?

BarryinLouth

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a Sporting Director already - their massive mistake was not getting Susi Zorc when he was very unsettled - he was the real guiding light at Dortmund - not Klipperty. Sadly the fans are only interested in hearing that they have a world class manager and are not interested in the truth Barry.}


1.) 21 Sep 2017 16:01:29
We know you're thoughts on Klopp. You have great knowledge and do brilliant job along with other Eds. But find the constant repeated digs rather boring now.

{Ed002's Note - What digs? Would you like to point out anything I have said that is untrue - If you find it boring it is easy to remove your account and you can probably easily find a site that will tell you that Klopp's win percentage as a Liverpool manager is better than the likes of Rodgers, van Gaal at Manchester United, Moyes at Manchester United, Avram Grant at Chelsea and lots of others. I appreciate that you are not interested in the truth. I answered a question regarding the Director of Football/Sporting Director - then straight away the whining little cretin that you are has to come and try and make it about me. Perhaps you should spend some time finding out a few truths about Liverpool and Klopp. It is always the same with the ignorant DFs like you.}


2.) 21 Sep 2017 16:09:17
Is zorc not possible now?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool appointed someone already. They have no interest in Zorc but he could yet end up at another Premier League club.}


3.) 21 Sep 2017 16:49:23
The truth hurts.


4.) 21 Sep 2017 16:50:24
Z99 there are no digs by Ed02, he see things differently than most of the Lfc fan- without the redtinted glasses. i 101% agree with 02, if not where r the Levandofski or Auba or the other hidden gem we Lfc fans crave to unearth and Kloop has not found them, may be not yet. why is it so simple for Bm to change managers and still play the same way without changing all thier players.


5.) 21 Sep 2017 16:55:28
Hi Ed002, would Michael Zorc want to work with Klopp again? I know they were close but I was wondering why Klopp never pushed the case. Also, Klopp does seem to be trying to do exactly the same at LFC but is the marketplace the same anymore? I feel like the world of football is no longer compatible with unearthing 'little gems' if you are at a "major" team. one sniff around a player tends to put Β£10m more on his head. add to this the difference in pressure he'll be feeling at LFC given the EPL demands (and our - perhaps - unrealistic wants) and it is a very different circumstance to Dortmund. I'm not sure he has the nous to achieve success in the EPL but as I've said before I'll support my team and hope that success follows soon.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean by "pushed the case". Zorc is an employee of another club and is up there with Monchi in terms of reputation.}


6.) 21 Sep 2017 17:14:46
Crazy

I try to see things differently without the glasses but always ends up getting abuses! Strange though πŸ˜„πŸ˜„.


7.) 21 Sep 2017 17:29:25
If you've nothing nice to say then don't say it at all ed πŸ˜‡.


8.) 21 Sep 2017 17:36:45
IMO, Win pct's are nothing but false statistics to prove a flash point which does not reflect the whole picture. Here is a stat that needs to be taken into consideration regarding body of work as to me, that is what matters.

LVG has been successful and has been coaching for over 30 years so no probs, there. Avram Grant and Moyes have won nothing in their careers. Klopp has. Moyes in his first full season, won nothing, came 7th with a team that won the PL the season before and got sacked. Klopp got us CL footie in his first full season. Avram Grant played a CL final. So did Klopp. Klopp played an EL final with BR's players, the very ones he was trashing in the media to save his own skin. BR won nothing here after 3.5 yrs and over 300m spent cos like it or not, coming second is not a trophy as that only gets you into the CL group stages, same thing Klopp did, spending less than Arsenal and a fraction of Utd's spending and beating them both to it, last season. These are the facts.

Those who think Klopp is world class, is their opinion and they are allowed to have it. I never said he was world class either BUT he is a very good manager and has taken us forward since he arrived BUT a lot more needs to be done so it will be a roller-coaster ride and hopefully, we can get there sooner rather than later.

Klopp has been given the job and he should be judged on his overall body of work, not on subjective stats that can make one look good and the other look bad. Anyone who has taken a stats class (I have) can come up with such numbers as you can make a stat say what you want it to say.

{Ed002's Note - OK - Klopp got the job and has continued the rich vein of failure. The owners are desperate for success and Klopp cannot deliver. The repeated excuses given by the fans are embarrassing. Klopp has one nothing for years - and when he did the players were found by someone else. Klopp has purchased some decent players but generally badly at Liverpool, this year making himself subject to ridicule by naming the four players he would be signing and getting none. His actions have been illegal and unprofessional and as last year he has caused very significant embarrassment to the club. You don't seem to have any grasp of the bigger picture at all - not in any way of form as we see by your constant and repetative comments.}


9.) 21 Sep 2017 17:45:49
An important lesson was learnt today, don't call the eds opinion boring.


10.) 21 Sep 2017 17:46:25
When did he name the four players and who would you consider to be bad signings?

{Ed002's Note - Read the post.}


11.) 21 Sep 2017 18:01:06
Bingo. Klopp has won nothing and getting beat in 2 finals is not winning either and he is a genuis! This time next year he will nearly be here as long as Rodgers and Klopp, like any other manager should be judged on his trophy count, which at the minute is exactly the same as Rodgers. What happens if we don't get 4th or above this season? Is that taking us forward?


12.) 21 Sep 2017 18:05:33
just reputation does not makes you win. i look at Pooch at spurs snd i eould take him instead of Kloop at this moment. Kloop has done nothing special yet, even Br got us top 4 and a better finish then Kloop. Kloop might come good and i totally believe that he should be given a bit more time, that does not mean he is the greatest out there, yhe one who made Bm invinsible and more over free from any fault. there is a good spine to our team its Kloop and his stubbonness to persist with a system which looks good in paper but in reaity it is completlety f#$ked up.


13.) 21 Sep 2017 18:26:46
Irish, I said this very thing a couple of days ago. As it stands I do not think Klopp has made any major strides other than helping the confidence of the players. But overall I do not see an improvement, not a significant one anyway. Two years and millions spent, I still think his tenure has been mediocre at best. I'm not saying Liverpool are a bad side, quite the opposite, and I will be nervous playing you on the 14th of next month. I just don't see a vast improvement. He's been there two years and you still arguably need a new keeper, three/ four new defenders and a defensive midfielder. That's FIVE/ SIX positions still to fill. I don't see how you can justify paying Β£70m for VVD when there are still four/ five other positions to fill without talking about strikers and back-up midfielders. That's some work left to do.

If he wins nothing and falls out of the top four he will likely lose his job IMO.

{Ed025's Note - for someone who,s team has had moyes and van gaal in recent years sydney, i think you have got a bloody cheek having a pop at liverpools manager mate..


14.) 21 Sep 2017 18:28:30
We still could do with a new sporting director always thought it was a mistake and risky appointing edwards.


15.) 21 Sep 2017 18:32:25
Well, win percentage without context is pretty much no use. If it's all about win percentage, then we should immediately sack Klopp and re-hire Rafa. Best win percentage we've had this side of 1991, after all. Plus he won stuff.

So let's talk about the context.

Klopp has improved the squad, particularly in forward areas, has a clear tactical plan for arguably the first time since Rafa (Hodgson and Rodgers just seemed to throw stuff at the wall to see would it stick, and Kenny signed a ponitailed drunkard that he wasn't really able to get into games), brought some good youngsters into the first team squad and I think he handled the Coutinho situation as well as could be expected.

But a lot of things haven't been good enough. His conduct in the transfer market this summer was pretty poor and could've landed us in serious trouble. It may still do. The worst part is he and the club seem to have expected Southampton to cave on van Dijk and basically invite us to bid again, despite us publically withdrawing interest, hence no attempt being made to identify and sign an alternative. Even with no FA investigation, that is biting us in the ass in a big way so far this season. The other center backs he's signed have been too slow (Klavan) and too lazy (Matip) to really be effective.

He's badly fouled up the goalkeeping situation and is continuing to mishandle it imo. First by caving into media and fan pressure to drop Karius, then for not restoring him to the team when he had a chance to in Jan/ Feb last season when Migs was still jittery, and now for continuing to use Migs as first choice despite having two better goalkeepers avaialble to him. I'm hard pressed to see him not negatively impacting the development of either Ward or Karius with this carry on. And also, this can't be great for Migs' confidence either. He surely must have twigged that, despite what he's said to the media, Klopp is likely to instate either Karius or Ward as first choice at some point in the future. Or else why are they both still here?

And whilst I'm not blaming, and don't think anyone can blame, Klopp for the lack of leadership in the dressing room and the number 'fair weather' players we have in the team, he hasn't helped it by signing two of the worst offenders (Matip and Wijnaldum) .

Does this mean I want him sacked, run out of the city, publically flogged or anything like that? No. I want him to stay. I think it's worth remembering that we're a club in only our second season in the Champions League in 9 years, and that we had become pretty rudderless under Rodgers (seriously someone please describe what Rodgers' game plan was from about November 2014 on, cos I don't think he had one) and he has improved us from there. He will eventually resolve the goalkeeping situation, and should sort out the center back issue.

But he clearly isn't perfect, needs to be read the riot act over his approach to transfers (if that hasn't happened already) and people need to have their skin reinforced if they get sore about Ed002 saying negative things about him once in a while. It's not like Ed002 is making stuff up.

{Ed025's Note - that was a good read SR but also one of the most contradictory posts ever, you list lots of complaints about klopps behaviour and tactical failings but then conclude that you want him to continue as your manager?, or maybe its just me mate..


16.) 21 Sep 2017 18:40:52
I was over the moon when we got JK as manager and like every manager that's gone before I will back him 100% but just of late I have asked myself is he the man who's going to bring the silverware home? Maybe or maybe not only time will tell.


17.) 21 Sep 2017 18:44:25
Not a pop Ed025, it's my opinion. And Moyes and LvG were not good appointments.

Although I do believe LvG won an FA Cup within two seasons at a struggling United.

{Ed025's Note - one thing you can say about klopp sydney is that his teams are good to watch at least mate..


18.) 21 Sep 2017 18:47:15
I'm trying to make the point that has made mistakes and has a couple of blind spots, but I think on the whole he's improved us and therefore I want him to stay. Guess I'm not doing the greatest job of it.

Tbh, most of his failings are around recruitment. If that could get sorted, we'd be golden.


19.) 21 Sep 2017 18:57:00
Constructive criticism guys. please!


20.) 21 Sep 2017 18:57:36
Oh well, I guess Mr. Ferguson was a failure in his first 4-5 years too.


21.) 21 Sep 2017 19:05:11
I think Liverpool's attack has been great to watch since Suarez days. It's the defending that always let's Liverpool down. And IMO the inability to break down "Park the bus" teams. Liverpool's biggest attribute for me has been their ability to rise to the occasion against the top sides. They always seem to treat them like a cup final and always play well. Like I said I will always get nervous playing Liverpool. I'm not having a dig at Klopp, just having an opinion on his time at Liverpool thus far. Hey he may win the Champions League and Premier League and then he's a God, but so far he hasn't been the God Liverpool fans had hoped for, but he is manager and they'll keep backing him and rightly so. It's a big season for Klopp IMO.


22.) 21 Sep 2017 19:08:48
#Kloppstays
Ridiculous that people who have no clue what our club is all about wants our manager out after less than 2 years and a top 4 place last year which in my opinion was incredible considering he had a weak squad.
Empty comments from people who wouldn't know a good club if it hit them slap bang in the face.
Negative Nellys.
You'll never walk alone is it?
If you're truly a Liverpool fan, in my opinion you're a poor one and maybe you should learn what our club used to represent before empty shells like you came along.
Come at me if ya want.
You're the disgrace, not me!


23.) 21 Sep 2017 19:03:51
A good liverpool team isn't even good to watch ed025 πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚if you are entitled to voice a opinion surely syd is too you had moyes bobby and now koeman at everton and none have covered themselves in glory but i still think your opinions are worth reading. shocked to see you having a pop at syd for giving an onion mate. but he is a big boy and can take it😁.

{Ed025's Note - i just thought it a bit rich ken after how dour united have been these past few years, i totally agree about everton and as you say its all about onions, or opinions.. :)


24.) 21 Sep 2017 19:33:20
Redskin, Sir Alex Ferguson's first full season in charge at MU was 87/ 88 season. I think he won the FA Cup 89/ 90. So more like two seasons, not 4-5 years. So this is a big season for Klopp. That's all I'm saying. Which I think is a fair comment.

How long would you give him? If he were to finish outside the top four and no trophies won, should he be given another season? What's your thoughts? I only as because all Liverpool managers bar Hodgson are treated like Gods until sacked.

How long would you give him and when do you say enough is enough?


25.) 21 Sep 2017 19:38:29
kev how many people said they want kloop out? we all say that he is not what we expected him to be. he is no messaih he is just a good manager who should be critisized if he is not getting the result.


26.) 21 Sep 2017 19:42:15
Irish, you need to read my post again. Klopp took us further in Cup competitions in 8 months than BR did in 3 years, period. Now did he win? No BUT the on;ly people who win or lose finals are those who get to play in them. From where Klopp found us at that time, that in itself is an improvement on what BR already, win or not. You are free to disagree. Also, I never said he was a genius so where you get that from is up to you.

If, If, If. I don't care about if this or that. We don't know what will happen in the future and even if we don't get top 4, his fate will be in FSG's hands, not yours or mine. Projections are not facts. If you want Klopp gone after two years of not winning a trophy (BR went 3 without a sausage) then, have at it. Klopp will find better clubs than LFC BUT will we find a better manager than him? There's always Woy and big Sam. Remember, he is FSG's 4th manager in 7 years. If you think you're going to win the PL doing that nonsense then go ahead. You will have NO more managers left to hire and we will not be winning the PL in a hundred years. The impatience on these boards is deafening after 4 measly games at the start of the season.

{Ed025's Note - im with you bingo..


27.) 21 Sep 2017 19:52:48
You wrongly accused me of something earlier crazy horse in a blind fury so until you answer the questions I posed to you on that thread I'll not be bothered replying to your silly posts anywhere else.
They're only "silly" because I'm not allowed to use harsher words on here to describe them.
Open your 4 eyes and read the posts.


28.) 21 Sep 2017 20:00:04
I don't agree with a lot of what you post Bingo but you took the words right out my mouth in your last post. Well said!


29.) 21 Sep 2017 20:03:24
OIrish, I got your back if they come at you, as well mate. Brilliant post!


30.) 21 Sep 2017 20:16:35
I don't think anyone is calling for his head, but surely other Liverpool fans are allowed to question their club manager. Or is it a dictatorship? Is this North Korea? Haha.

{Ed025's Note - its a bit like north korea sydney...liverpool are firing blanks..


31.) 21 Sep 2017 20:21:30
What PL clubs could Zorc end up at ed002?


32.) 21 Sep 2017 20:31:16
Cheers Bingo.
To even be questioning or discussing our position in the league and Klopp's position at the club smells of poo stirring from outside that's spread in amongst us.
People then follow blindly.
If it wasn't ridiculous it'd be funny but I'm concerned for some people's sanity.
It may as well be North Korea because they follow an idiot blindly too.
Same with the Americans, same with the British if you want to go down the politics route.
The leaders of these countries are extra special, not in touch with reality and don't know their arse from their elbow.
Thankfully they're not from my neck of the woods.
Trump? Johnson? Seriously?! Wow!


33.) 21 Sep 2017 20:35:26
If Klopp doesn't win anything with Liverpool how does that make him a better manager? Its deluded Bingo. Its a results based business, trophies in the cabinet.

He needs to step up big time. His personality only takes him so far. He needs to win a trophy this season or he will be on par with Rodgers and that's a fact.


34.) 21 Sep 2017 21:17:20
No Kev you have Gerry Adams.


35.) 21 Sep 2017 21:20:04
No one is saying he should be sacked now, that's ridiculous. He is still very capable of winning something this season. I am merely asking what should happen if you finish outside top four and fail to win a trophy. Should he continue as manager? And how long do you go until enough is enough.

These performances will change soon and results will improve I have no doubt about that. It's merely a blip, but the questions above are still relevant.


36.) 21 Sep 2017 21:21:32
Got to love how striaght to the point and how the master ED02 just says it how it is respect my friend agree or disagree how i love to read your replys to (as you say) the cretins lol.


37.) 21 Sep 2017 23:09:29
Irish Rover,
Since when has he become my political leader?
Are you not Irish?


38.) 21 Sep 2017 23:29:06
I seem to remember a certain Scottish born manager taking over at Man U who won virtually nothing for 7 seasons. Sometimes patience pays off.


39.) 21 Sep 2017 23:50:04
Irish, you must have issues reading. If's and but's are irrelevant here as we don't know what will happen in the future. Again, Klopp is no genius and his mistakes are well documented BUT the constant moaning and projecting him being a failure after two years or when his time will be done whenever that is, is just crazy and dishonest. Is it too much to ask that you let the process run its course b4 you judge the man. BR got 3 season and a half years to prove his incompetence, at least.

Where have I said that he should not win trophies? Pay attention. All I said was that those comparing him to BR or Poch are off their rocker as he is a better manager than BR as he has achieved MORE in his career than BR and Poch, who as not even a sausage to his name in his whole career and for Spurs and he's been there longer BUT he's better than Klopp? That is factually false. Until they succeed as much and where Klopp has succeeded domestically (the Scottish pub league does not count as Neil Lennon was great there too) and in Europe (his record there is better than Wenger's), they will continue to eat his dust.

They are not a patch on Klopp as he has a trophy cabinet with two back to back Leagues and German Cups and Super Cups. Who did he beat to get all those? The great Bayern. The fact that he used BR's own players, the ones he used to trash in the media to save his skin, to get us onto two finals including a European final, is a scathing indictment on BR himself. Pls, Let the process run it's course and we will judge him when all is said and done, that's all I'm saying and him having a sticky patch in the first 5 games in
the season proves absolutely nothing about what the future holds. God bless, my friend.


40.) 22 Sep 2017 07:12:51
Excellent post again Bingo - take note Rover please, I'm sure your heart is in the right place but you need and many others need a little home truth or two.

KBL - Well said mate, not sure if your 7 season comment is correct but still, you're not too far off in terms of the league holy grail anyway.
And if you're miles off with 7 seasons, it's only fair as people have been giving untrue "facts" on Klopp for quite a while now.
The pathetic Vulchers are most definitely beginning to take flight before they attempt to circle - pathetic!


41.) 22 Sep 2017 11:40:37
Klopp did brilliantly with a thin squad last season, that tells me he is a decent manager. It's only natural to doubt the players and the manager after a run of four poor results but I really feel we should stick with it. I am starting to get a tad worried as I think liverpool attacking style requires a certain amount of confidence. All football does of course but a fluid attacking team more so than many other styles. I don't think the heads have dropped yet but they were clearly shaken up by the city defeat where it must have seemed we came up against a brick wall. I don't like saying it but city are the better team this year and I think the boys realised that last month and they have lost z bit of confidence. I have absolutely no doubt that we can turn it around and I still believe we can finish top four, no problem. I actually still believe we could win it, probably sounds deluded but there are no teams that we have no chance of beating.

We miss mane as we did last year and a big reason for this is because he is a clinical finisher. You don't have to be a poacher to be a clinical finisher of course. Liverpool need to be more ruthless in front of goal. If liverpiol were a player it would be Adam lallana, clever creative gets stuck in against players twice his side and wins but doesn't put the ball in the back of the net as much as he should, compared to the amount of chances he has.

Liverpool do have a plan b this year that sees us sit off opposition but I think we need a plan c and d. There are times we need to be able to lob the ball into box. And there are times we need to play long ball football.

Klopp is a good manager but the great managers adapt when things are not working. Will he do this? That remains to be seen. I hope he does coz I really like him. Obviously I don't know him but I'm a fairly good judge of character and I think he is one of the good guys.


42.) 22 Sep 2017 11:45:40
I'm trying to think who the bad signings are? Karius? Matip? I don't think they're bad signings, they're not marquee signings or league winning samples but the two of them cost less than 10 mil didn't they? Klavan was his only bad signing imo.


43.) 22 Sep 2017 11:45:42
I'll give you a few "gems" klopp has "unearthed" Sadio mane mohamad salah and naby keita.


44.) 22 Sep 2017 11:55:40
Klopp's mistakes are well documented and I never defended them and will never do. He made mistakes and that is clear and should be held accountable for them. Every manager makes mistakes BUT the bigger picture needs to be looked at and sorry, for those doubting Klopp cos we are on a bad run to me, means nothing as no one knows the future.

One said on here that that Poch is better than Klopp. How can that be true when he has won nothing since he arrived at Spurs (he's been there longer, btw) . In fact, he has won NOTHING in his whole career and even can't beat Klopp and has not in all 5 games he's played him while Klopp has leagues and Cups in his cabinet, beating the all powerful Bayern in the process. Have Spurs put pressure on him cos he can't win a home game yet? Didn't think so.

As for those saying Moyes is some way better than Klopp, Ed25 responded to you perfectly. Bravo, monsieur!

We are talking about the win pct thingy as that was the stat you put up which I disagree with. I may not grasp things very well as BUT the points I put up, you did not dispute any of them which means either you agree or you did not just respond to it. Whichever way, I'm cool with it. God bless, my friend.


45.) 21 Sep 2017 20:21:30
What PL clubs could Zorc end up at ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal.}


 

 

20 Sep 2017 11:11:37
Ed001 very sorry if I'm asking a very stupid question but going by what you are saying is we desperately need a holding mid?

BarryinLouth

{Ed001's Note - if the players can't figure out between themselves how to defend, then you have to get players in who can. A defensive mid at least would clear up a lot of the confusion in midfield, as they would not all be in the same inch of space on the pitch.}


1.) 20 Sep 2017 11:23:42
Listening to klopps interviews he talks like he knows what's wrong but himself seemed bemused as to why they can't do what he says.


2.) 20 Sep 2017 11:33:46
Thanks a million Ed. A very big pity Lucas is gone mate.

{Ed001's Note - very big loss he is.}


3.) 20 Sep 2017 11:41:46
Ive been posting that we need a proper defensive midfielder for a very long time. Hope Klopp can see this and get in someone with quality. Shame Matic would have been perfect. But would love some one like Ndidi or N'Zonzi. isn't Pedro Chrivella a defensive midfielder ed? Been impressed when I have seen him play.

{Ed001's Note - Chirivella has mainly played there yes. Be nice if he made it, always looks a good player when I have seen him.}


4.) 20 Sep 2017 11:46:02
Henderson is the major issue. He vacates that position exposes our defense which ain't strong enough. Can't pass forward unless its preseason. When ever somebody runs at him or act like running at him he either passes back or to the side. he can't beat a player. Play him somewhere else but Not at DM!


5.) 20 Sep 2017 11:48:46
Problem is Ed, it needs to be a realistic option who would actually improve us. Which is why i was so annoyed we didn't even compete for Matic.

Romeu from Southampton is a good player (i know, them again) . Diego Demme from Red Bull Leipzig is also a good player? Maybe even Milivojevic from Crystal Palace? For anybody with a great memory, Mikel San Jose is also a great defensive midfielder nowadays. He'd probably jump at the chance to come prove us all wrong!

In my opinion, Henderson can learn the role if his injury clears up but I'm starting to get concerned he is still carrying it with how inconsistent he has been this season.

Long term, i think Wijnaldum will end up playing there for us as he has all the attributes needed, no fitness issues, and Klopp has used him there a few times now.

{Ed001's Note - Mikel is a nice lad but a bit slow for English footie mate. I have not noticed Demme, when I have watched RBL I have been solely focused on Keita. The Palace guy (I can't even be bothered to try and spell his name) is not really quite good enough. Could do a job but I wouldn't put him as someone worth splashing cash on. I like Romeu, but again, not sure he would be worth anything like the money he would cost. By the way, pretty sure Mili from Palace is getting on, but I could be getting mixed up.}


6.) 20 Sep 2017 12:14:41
Milivojevic was 25 when Palace signed him in January so at most he is 26. You may have him confused with Mili Jedinak who is ancient (34 i think) . He seems decent but needs more time to fully settle in England i think.

San Jose probably is a bit slow but so was Alonso πŸ˜‰

Diego Demme is a quality player though. Keep on eye on him next time you watch them. Proper little terrier of a player, great passing range, and a great club captain too. He'd probably be a bit unrealistic if I'm honest.

On Romeu i have no idea what he'd cost but in todays market he'd be a bargain at anything under Β£30m. Not massively gifted but protects the defence so well.


7.) 20 Sep 2017 12:27:53
I like Romeu MK. He is a no nonsense midfielder and does his job effectively. I have been impressed by Lemina in the last game. He looks some player! Rabbit from PSG would be another option, Paredes at Roma. Can from Juventus maybe be πŸ˜„πŸ˜„.


8.) 20 Sep 2017 12:43:37
Paredes isn't really a holding midfielder mate. I watch Roma a lot and he plays ahead of De Rossi.

Also Rabiot isn't a greatholding midfielder either. He is better ahead of Motta.

Motta and De Rossi would be great signings. Short term fixes though as they're both about 30.

Never watched Lemina except on MOTD though. Glad we agree on Romeu πŸ˜‚ take note.


9.) 20 Sep 2017 13:18:56
I think Romeu would be a great signing, reads the game brilliantly, has very good technique and isn't afraid of the dirty work as well as being a very physical presence in the middle of the pitch.


10.) 20 Sep 2017 14:12:58
How about Emre avan from Juventus MK? πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„.


11.) 20 Sep 2017 18:39:28
I would go for N'Zonzi.


12.) 21 Sep 2017 12:00:32
Wilfred Ndidi From Leicester or Steven N'Zonzi from Sevilla would be my choice for the role. Asier Illarramendi from Real Sociedad could be a good option as well if he could adapt from the Spanish league ( reminds me slightly of Alonso)
Sergej Milinković-Savić from Lazio is going to be some player, but not sure he's got the defensive discipline to play holding Midfield. It is clear we need someone though.


 

 

19 Sep 2017 12:51:25
Ed001 if you were in charge who would be your No1 keeper for the 1st team mate and how long of a run would you give them?

BarryinLouth

{Ed001's Note - it really depends. It would not be Mignolet though and they would get as long as it felt necessary to be sure they were the right choice. It would be a lot more than 10 games that much is defo. If you mean what would I have done in the summer, I would have allowed Ward to go on loan again with Huddersfield for experience and given Karius the chance for the season. Now Ward has been kept back though it seems pointless to do so if you are not going to give him games. It is a bit of a mess of Klopp's making to be honest.}


1.) 19 Sep 2017 13:32:44
True. I don't blame klopp for the defence as much as some do because we know he wanted vvd so he knows there are issues. But the GK situation, he has really made a rod for his own back. Why keep ward and then not even give him the shirt for league cup? I can understand wanting two good keepers but why does he need three? I think this situation will be sorted before next season, this season is a trial but how does ward prove himself without getting a shot?

{Ed001's Note - it is bizarre but we just have to hope he knows what he is doing. He did develop a fair few players in the past so maybe it is part of a long term plan. Only thing I can think of is he wants to make Ward determined to prove Klopp wrong and so work harder.}


2.) 19 Sep 2017 14:06:04
I hope so ed. There are a few things that suggest klopp is planning for long long term, keita coming next year, keeping ward at Liverpool and having faith in youngsters like dom solanke joe gomes and trent Alexander arnold, who are undoubtedly the future of liverpool. I'm really glad klopp is thinking in the long term because although some of his decisions seem odd sometimes, I think he is a brilliant manager and coach. I think he will win the league. It may not be this season, although I think we have a chance, but next year when we have keita and hopefully VVD or another high class cb, and the gk situation is sorted, we will be a force to be reckoned with.

{Ed001's Note - he is certainly planning on being here, so fingers crossed as a long term stay will mean he has won things!}


3.) 19 Sep 2017 14:10:15
Thank's for the reply Ed but like you said I really hope that JK know's what he's doing.

{Ed001's Note - only time will tell on that.}


4.) 19 Sep 2017 17:21:52
Thanks for the info, Ed. I love Klopp and would not trade him for anyone BUT like you, the whole GK situation is a joke and he has to take the blame for that. Apart from that, you can see he has a plan for the long term and I know that is poison for a lot of fans BUT we have to stick with his plan cos well, he has taken us forward from where the Spoofer left us in 2015. Don't let the pathetic media tease you with their "Klopp has not improved LFC" crap as that is patently false.

We just need to support him as he knows where our issues are and they will be fixed BUT they will not be fixed in one window. If it was that easy, City with all the money literally on the planet, would have fixed their defence by now and even they can't do it. Keep the faith, lads!


 

 

18 Sep 2017 14:00:18
Ed001 you said that Migs is not JK's long term 1st choice bit Ward is. Could you explain further please mate?

BarryinLouth

{Ed001's Note - I did not say Ward was. I said Ward had impressed on loan. That does not make him first choice.}


1.) 18 Sep 2017 14:10:05
Does ward get the shout for league cup game?


2.) 18 Sep 2017 14:18:26
Sorry ed, just seem the thread below.


3.) 18 Sep 2017 14:29:23
Looked a pen to me super.


4.) 18 Sep 2017 15:50:14
Ah my mistake then.


5.) 18 Sep 2017 17:23:03
Ward must play tomorrow.


 

 

 

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13 Oct 2017 17:49:57
My feelings exactly Ed thank's a million.

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13 Oct 2017 15:52:57
Thanks for the reply Ed. It's gone on a bit now just get a much for him as we can and move him on I say.

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13 Oct 2017 12:52:16
Ed002 now that your about would I be right in thinking that Couthino unless he has a massive change of heart he'll be off in the summer?

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08 Oct 2017 22:11:33
Ed002 with the innuendos!

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08 Oct 2017 21:46:33
Ah the two red legend's Ed I hope they're keeping well mate. Yeah her in door's is keeping me on the straight and narrow. As for the two little red's of our own sure we'd be lost without them mate.

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17 Oct 2017 18:08:54
Well at least some of your family had the good sense to go RED😁.

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Ahh yes you are spot on IB.

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15 Oct 2017 11:37:32
Skrtel against Arsenal at Anfield I'm nearly sure.

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14 Oct 2017 20:41:44
I'll have you one day Butler!

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14 Oct 2017 11:55:29
Ah no way Ed! That's a great pity especially from the young lad's.

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