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12 Dec 2017 19:41:09
For the first time today I watched Naby Keita for an entire game, during the Wolfsubrg vs RBL Leipzig. My feelings are a bit mixed and I would like to hear the thoughts of others. From everything I saw, he truly has world class ball control and dribbling abilities, but when it comes to passing, he either prefers running with the ball (like Can), or at times is over eager to just play one touch, pass-and-move football. This tendency, atleast during the game I was watching resulted in him squandering the ball very often. Would be interested to hear what Ed's thoughts are. Also, the formation that RBL plays is pretty different (atleast to me) and I don't know of a lot of teams playing that formation in the Premier League (4-2-2-2), so I am not sure if him just being a passenger for parts of the game is to do with the formation being played or he is just not hard-working enough.

I can certainly see why Liverpool pushed so hard for the transfer, because he can truly turn out to be a cracking player, but I believe he has some way to go and might require a fair bit of coaching and discipline to realize that world class status (unless its a situation of him being less interested in RBL this term due to his future lying elsewhere from next term) .

P. S: I think the loan is proving useful for Origi and his movement in and around the box looks so much better.

Abbassep

{Ed002's Note - Generally you have nailed it - although you have slipped the words “world class” in, which really isn’t the case. He has often been called out for disappearing in the more important games.}


1.) 12 Dec 2017 19:53:24
Got to agree Ed, that as things stand he is no where close to the 'world class' bracket, but from what I have observed in tidbits and today during the entire game, he certainly possesses the qualities to be there. But to achieve that status, as it so often comes down to in football, you've GOT TO HAVE "desire and application" and I have to concur, that is missing from his game right now.


2.) 12 Dec 2017 20:28:39
guys what you all have to understand he's 22 he's going to improve with the right coaching what we see now is be far not the finished article.


3.) 12 Dec 2017 20:53:31
Make no mistake about it, NK is a beast of a player and his talent is unquestionable. Having said that, he is still rough around the edges as he is still 22 and has a higher ceiling for improvement. Nothing some coaching could not fix as we have seen what Klopp has done with the likes of Can, Lallana, Moreno, Bobbie, Mane, Gomez and of course, Salah.


4.) 12 Dec 2017 21:09:45
Are we sure he's 22? He looks older.
Is it another "Rigobert Song" situation?


5.) 12 Dec 2017 22:52:27
The same was said about Mane at Southampton, that he'd go missing in games,
He's worked out fine up till lately where the same intensity seems to have waned a bit.

Maybe I'm just been picky.


6.) 13 Dec 2017 00:16:58
Interesting read Abba and I too have tried to watch a bit of Leipzig to see him play a bit. Like you say though they play a somewhat strange system and I don’t think the players around him are of the quality of Salah, Mane, Firmino and dare I say it Couts. With the technically gifted players we have the little flicks are more likely to come off. Also he creates space by bursting through the lines which will in turn draw defenders out which makes a ball in behind to our pacey players a much easier ball. You’ve also got the ‘is he really trying’ question which no one knows the answer to.
I also think it’s difficult for any player when they say they are leaving. The fans are quicker to jump on mistakes and criticise as they want to justify why they don’t need you anyway. As a lot have with Couts on here and other sites myself included I think it’s only natural. You split up with your bird and you say ‘I never loved her anyway’ when all along it’s tearing you up inside.
I think I’ve come to the conclusion I’ll just wait and see. I can’t believe how much Ox has improved and is improving since we signed him so whatever Naby has I’m sure we will see him improve hugely over the next few years. Being that many people I’ve spoken to tell me he was the best midfielder in the bundesliga last season that makes me excited to see what will come from him.


7.) 13 Dec 2017 00:18:36
Lfcder

Mane is trying to hard to get back his previous form, and most likely feels under pressure due to how good salah is playing at the minute.

Mane needs to chill out and remember it's a team sport.


8.) 13 Dec 2017 03:15:17
To all the above posters - I am in no shape or form calling out NK. I was just curious to hear from other posters if they had seen NK play often this season and if yes, what their observations were and if they were different from what I saw today. I definitely have a good feeling about him, but just a bit apprehensive, since we very easily tend to get carried away when international players are signed.
@Ings, I agree with you that having better players around him might help and I too am curious to see how things turn out when he plays in our formation where the midfield is responsible for making so much happen. My comment around the 'is he working hard enough' stemmed from the fact that so many a times during the match today I saw him just strolling around where there was a good opportunity to make a gut busting run into the box and provide support. Again, it could very well be there formation and the instructions he could have been given, but we will have to wait until next season to find out and let's just hope he lives up to the expectations and settles in as seamlessly as another African has this year :)
Also, it's a strange scenario with Mane. It seems like everything was just great until a couple of weeks ago, when he was benched for a game and since then I sense some frustration in him. Also it could very well be the Salah effect and how he (Mane) is no longer the star man of the team (which he so often was last year) . As long as he channels his competitiveness to generate healthy competition, it's all good (similar to the Suarez-Sturridge situation in 13/ 14) but if he let's this get to him, then the team might suffer.


9.) 13 Dec 2017 03:50:42
Naby is only 22. People are expecting him to deliver world class performances on a consistent basis which is just unfair. He did not choose his price tag, LFC did and Naby deserves time to develop into a world class performer that his talent merits. Just look at Modric, Vidal, Kante who found their footing in their mid twenties.


10.) 13 Dec 2017 06:13:47
Keita is an excellent player and will put a lot of midfielders to shame in the league. Do not worry. I don’t usually get my hopes high on Liverpool signings unless they are class above the reference line. He will boss our midfield! We need to sign a holding mid to partner him though!


 

 

03 Dec 2017 21:07:21
I am a bit puzzled about Harry Wilson. He seems like a talented and industrious kid, so why hasn't he been involved with the first team setup lately? In that regard, if either Ed1 or Ed2 can answer, What constitutes a candidate to be considered 'qualified' to make the step up to the first team, since Harry Wilson has been successfully demonstrating leadership as captain of U23's, banging in the goals (plentiful) and working hard for the team (from the little I have seen), but still hasn't gotten a sniff in the last couple of seasons. Is there something missing from his game/ personality that has kept him from making the cut, especially given that a bunch of young kids have been included in the first team setup already.

Abbassep

{Ed001's Note - for a while he was held back by lack of application but now he is just seen as a bit weak and needs to strengthen.}


1.) 04 Dec 2017 05:00:42
Wilson has missed his chance imo. Kent and Ojo are ahead of him in the pecking order for sure. Of the 3, Ojo looks the most likely to be in next season's squad. Kent's loan has not gone as well as the club would have hoped (the lad barely plays) and Ojo is playing regularly and scoring and assisting for Fulham (when he is not injured) .


2.) 04 Dec 2017 08:43:07
If we needed someone this season for injuries etc Indian, Ojo and Kent aren't here whilst Wilson is here and scoring every game he gets at whatever level. Things change quickly in football.


3.) 04 Dec 2017 09:19:09
Ojo maybe - Kent isn’t really pulling up trees. I expect Wilson to get a loan or move on.


4.) 06 Dec 2017 06:47:30
While we on the subject of talking about players in the U23's, I thought I might also check on Ejaria. He has been included heavily in the first team setup (training) and also been taken on preseason tournaments with the first team, however, he is still to make his breakthrough and succumbed to mostly appearances in the U23's. He surely needs to be sent on a loan, because I don't see him getting ahead of any of the current first team midfielders. Ed, know anything about the plans surrounding him? Yan Dhanda is another one who comes across as an exciting player and if you have any info on him, I would like to hear it.

Don't think its said enough, but thank you for all the amazing work you guys do!

{Ed001's Note - Ejaria was seen as a potential first team player, but he has not quite shown the strength or ability to push anyone out of the team. He needs, like many others, injuries in his position to get a chance. If the right offer came in for him in January, he will go out on loan. Dhanda is one the club are really keen to get him in and around the first team, so I doubt he will go anywhere, but again loans depend on who is interested.}


 

 

05 Sep 2017 19:27:19
Question for Ed002 - What constitutes being cup tied to a team for the Champions League? Is it when a player has been selected in the starting 11 and plays a match (even if its just a few seconds), or is it simply being named in the 25-person Champions League squad?

Abbassep

{Ed002's Note - Having played excludes him (putting aside qualifying rounds).}


1.) 05 Sep 2017 19:48:00
Thank you, Ed002.


 

 

04 Sep 2017 08:19:48
Question for Ed001, if he is around. Are you aware about the plans for Harry Wilson? I would have thought that he would be sent out on loan to get some first team experience but that didn't happen. Why is that so? Is he just not seen ready for first team football (by other clubs too) or do we intend on using him in the first team in the cup games?

Abbassep

{Ed001's Note - he is close to the first team, so he is being kept to play in cup games yes. At least that is the plan, obviously he could end up picking up an injury or lose form and not be in the running by the time they come around.}


1.) 04 Sep 2017 08:52:43
Not going to happen for Wilson at LFC. Let's be honest, have u seen the number of senior players ahead of him in the pecking order? Mane? Salah? AOC? Kent and Ojo to come back as well next season.
Best for the club and Wilson to part ways and et the lad build his career elsewhere. He is good enough to be a regular than be sat on the bench at LFC.


2.) 04 Sep 2017 09:39:16
Kent and Ojo to come back next season, there will be opportunities for him this season I'm sure.


3.) 04 Sep 2017 12:11:38
Ojo may be sold.


4.) 04 Sep 2017 13:01:36
I would have thought the biggest challenge to Ono, Wilson and Kent is the age profile of the players ahead of them, none of those 3 is retiring or being eased out any time soon. Will be interesting to see what happens with them.


5.) 04 Sep 2017 13:21:32
Indian buzzers comment is unpopular but it's also true. It's sad, the lad has put in a lot of effort. It is harsh but I don't see him getting in front of the attacking midfielders we have. Fair play if the lad wants to stay and fight for a place, I respect his bottle but at the same time, if he chose to look elsewhere for game time, I as a fan would wish him all the best ynwa.


6.) 04 Sep 2017 14:30:26
I'm sure klopp will be keen to get a look at him this season, if he stays fit, no question about the talent being there but if I'm not wrong he has just come back from another injury. Hopefully that's just a part of natural development but he needs to start proving that he's capable of staying fit through the majority of a season.


7.) 04 Sep 2017 14:39:33
Wilson trained with the first team today. Klopp still has his eye on him, for now.


 

 

01 Sep 2017 21:30:27
Serious question - Why are majority of the international matches so boring? As an example, watching England today and Uruguay and Argentina yesterday, these are teams with talented individuals playing at top clubs but in an international match, its so lackluster. Is it mostly down to the managers managing international teams, or are players just much more cautious and less adventurous, trying to keep it safe, when playing for their country?

Abbassep

1.) 01 Sep 2017 22:02:48
Overrated players expected to offer more than they do.

Look at that team. It's just average. Really is. The players there compared to other couentries is rediculous and ours are compared on the same level.

You look at young players coming through. Sterling and Bernardo. Barkley and asensio. Rashford and mbappe. Ours can't lace there boots.

Yet we talk of them in the same breath and expect the same from them.

We are probably for the foreseeable future a quarter final team. That's about it in any tournament but we are in no way shape or form anything other than that. Oh and that's probably a push.


2.) 01 Sep 2017 22:04:04
They don't play enough together and play for different teams who employ different tactics. It reminds me of getting round for a kickabout with your not too close mates every 2 months.

But then you do have Germany. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I recall reading a long time ago about Klinsman helping to push the idea forward of having the German club teams playing a similar style of football that the German national team play. This way tactically its not hard to adapt at International level. Either I read an article along the lines of this or I dreamt it up!


3.) 01 Sep 2017 22:30:03
TopBusiness- He's saying international football not just England.


4.) 01 Sep 2017 22:33:07
The quality of international football is nothing compared to that of club. I used to watch England just because Obviously I couldn't watch Liverpool but It really doesn't interest me anymore.


5.) 02 Sep 2017 00:04:11
Hate internationals, waste of a footy weekend, national teams just dint cut it anymore, shame really.


6.) 02 Sep 2017 00:18:43
Does that make what I said any less accurate.


7.) 02 Sep 2017 07:58:18
TopBusiness- It might be accurate, although I don't see anyone comparing those players you've mentioned but we are talking about international football on a whole being boring so it's irrelevant.


 

 

 

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13 Dec 2017 17:41:55
May be its just me, but I would not want to buy a new goalkeeper. I am not a fan of Mignolet and would not want him to continue being the No.1 choice, however, I think Karius has shown glimpses of taking over the mantle and if given the option, I would move Karius to be the No.1 choice and Mignolet/ Ward, battle it out for the second choice keeper. The only keeper that I would personally hope Liverpool 'buys' right now is someone like De Gea or Neuer and both of those are not happening. Also, from what I have seen, Mignolet always does well when his position is put under pressure, thus may be having him as a second choice might bring out the best in him in those few games where he can prove himself. Ofcourse these comments are being made without taking into consideration if either of Mignolet or Ward would be happy being second choice.

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04 Sep 2017 08:27:26
I agree with Phil. Besides getting the impression that he's not enjoying his time with us, I also get the feeling that he is not driven enough to fight for a place in our team. I watched him closely during our preseason games and he just didn't put in a shift - the one which would show his intention of pushing for a place in the team. Also, from what little I have seen of him, he seems to lack the work ethic that Klopp expects from his first team players, especially the 11 that are on the field. The lad deserves a chance to play elsewhere and in my opinion it would suit everyone if he moves on permanently.

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13 Dec 2017 03:15:17
To all the above posters - I am in no shape or form calling out NK. I was just curious to hear from other posters if they had seen NK play often this season and if yes, what their observations were and if they were different from what I saw today. I definitely have a good feeling about him, but just a bit apprehensive, since we very easily tend to get carried away when international players are signed.
@Ings, I agree with you that having better players around him might help and I too am curious to see how things turn out when he plays in our formation where the midfield is responsible for making so much happen. My comment around the 'is he working hard enough' stemmed from the fact that so many a times during the match today I saw him just strolling around where there was a good opportunity to make a gut busting run into the box and provide support. Again, it could very well be there formation and the instructions he could have been given, but we will have to wait until next season to find out and let's just hope he lives up to the expectations and settles in as seamlessly as another African has this year :)
Also, it's a strange scenario with Mane. It seems like everything was just great until a couple of weeks ago, when he was benched for a game and since then I sense some frustration in him. Also it could very well be the Salah effect and how he (Mane) is no longer the star man of the team (which he so often was last year) . As long as he channels his competitiveness to generate healthy competition, it's all good (similar to the Suarez-Sturridge situation in 13/ 14) but if he let's this get to him, then the team might suffer.

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12 Dec 2017 22:06:22
Liverpool is the only team I follow will all my heart and passion, but that comment by Ed2 is right on the money! We (including players, owners and fans) have all been too complacent to challenge for any serious trophies in the last decade or so. I largely think it's a mentality thing as well. Every time we have been close to getting our hands on a trophy, we have bottled it for some reason or another. Say what you may, clubs like Chelsea and City have not thrived just cuz of the money pumped into the teams (though that has largely helped) but they have induced a winning mentality and anything less than that will NOT be entertained. Yes, they switch out managers often and sell players which perplexes a lot of teams, but it's all done keeping a goal and objective in mind and that goal is to WIN, not just a few game, but Trophies! Really hope we can count ourselves amongst the elite soon again.

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12 Dec 2017 19:53:24
Got to agree Ed, that as things stand he is no where close to the 'world class' bracket, but from what I have observed in tidbits and today during the entire game, he certainly possesses the qualities to be there. But to achieve that status, as it so often comes down to in football, you've GOT TO HAVE "desire and application" and I have to concur, that is missing from his game right now.

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06 Dec 2017 17:46:23
Absolutely terrific idea! Cheers to the folks organizing this. It exemplifies the value of this site. Its so much more than a forum, its a community!

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06 Dec 2017 06:47:30
While we on the subject of talking about players in the U23's, I thought I might also check on Ejaria. He has been included heavily in the first team setup (training) and also been taken on preseason tournaments with the first team, however, he is still to make his breakthrough and succumbed to mostly appearances in the U23's. He surely needs to be sent on a loan, because I don't see him getting ahead of any of the current first team midfielders. Ed, know anything about the plans surrounding him? Yan Dhanda is another one who comes across as an exciting player and if you have any info on him, I would like to hear it.

Don't think its said enough, but thank you for all the amazing work you guys do!

Abbassep

{Ed001's Note - Ejaria was seen as a potential first team player, but he has not quite shown the strength or ability to push anyone out of the team. He needs, like many others, injuries in his position to get a chance. If the right offer came in for him in January, he will go out on loan. Dhanda is one the club are really keen to get him in and around the first team, so I doubt he will go anywhere, but again loans depend on who is interested.}