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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.

SGRed

1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.


2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.


3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.


4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.


5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.


6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.


7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.


8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.


9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.


10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.


11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.


 

 

 

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18 Apr 2019 02:09:52
A few thoughts from last night

- Fantastic result for Spurs but not sure how Man City will react to be honest, they were very unlucky and it'll be a massive gut punch, but I suspect they'll get straight off the canvas and come back fighting. My guess is they'll beat Spurs next but hopefully by the Man Utd game it will all catch up with them
- Barcelona next, what an incredible tie this one is going to be. whoever goes through must certainly have a good shot in the final, and I back us to beat Barc over 2 legs and the 2nd leg at home
- What we can't afford in the first leg though is to be sloppy in possession like we were vs Porto first 20-30mins. It was immediately clear how much we missed the calm head of Hendo and the close control of Firmino dropping deeper into midfield to give us an outlet under pressure. they both absolutely have to start in the Nou Camp with probably Fabs and Gini. might even be tempted by a 4-2-3-1 to give Fabinho a little more support
- I was hoping a goal for Salah would unleash him, and these last few games he's really come back into his own. With him, Firmino and Mane all looking on form we're going to take some beating
- Only worry I had all game was our fullbacks looked a bit leggy and suspect in defence, it was good to see them substituted for a bit of a rest at the end, but they'll have to be a lot more disciplined away against the likes of Messi and co.
- Messi vs Robbo could well decide the tie for me as I think our midfield, CBs and forwards are more than a match for the rest of their squad. I hope Robbo gets a rest sometime

Comfortable win in the end, still everything to play for and hoping Tottenham can scrape a result this weekend!

SGRed

1.) 18 Apr 2019 07:01:35
If you watch Messi this season he's not really playing as an orthodox right forward. He stands there at kick off but he ends up bang central behind Suarez during the actual play. The midfield are the ones who need to stop him. I don't know how, but if they do, we win.


2.) 18 Apr 2019 08:16:23
The best way to stop Messi is by stopping his teammates first. If we can get control of midfield and upset their fluidity we stand every chance. I fancy us over 2 legs, heavy pressing and counter at pace can hurt them. Our midfield has far more energy so if we can turn the game frantic at spells I think we can overrun them.


3.) 18 Apr 2019 08:26:55
Fair comment, which is why I would mind 2 deep away from home. Gini to watch Messi (and double team with Robbo if he pulls wide) and Fabinho to control the rest of the game.


4.) 18 Apr 2019 08:53:34
Yeah I'd imagine at nou camp he might go with his trusted conservative midfield selection. Firmino to stifle busquets and hit them on the break every chance. Would love if Gomez could be ready for that game too.


5.) 18 Apr 2019 14:45:03
Messi vs robbo? But its also big V, the best defender in the world.


 

 

16 Jan 2019 14:45:42
Isn't it funny how a few weeks ago Fabinho was playing and everyone was speculating how he didn't fit, wasn't adapting, wasn't happy etc. and now suddenly he's a vital cog in the side?

I have a feeling Keita might do exactly the same thing to us later in the season.

SGRed

1.) 16 Jan 2019 15:05:31
So true, SGRed. I hope Keita starts to fire now. I thought he was really good against Burley. It is about being more consistent now. We all want him to click.


2.) 16 Jan 2019 14:53:59
I'd agree with you there, SG Red. At least I hope that's the case.

Keita clicking, the Ox coming back for cameos and our injury list sorted could make for a very, very strong run in!

Fingers crossed.


3.) 16 Jan 2019 17:36:34
I'm Praying mate. I remember Fab was awful away at Arsenal, but now look at him. Like you say he's a Vital piece! To be fair though, not all signings come off as a success.


4.) 16 Jan 2019 18:24:49
Fab being poor at Arsenal can happened cos it was a very intense game with lots of energy and for someone still getting used to the pace and intensity of the PL in a very high-profile game away from home, it was normal if he struggled. People saying he was awful is actually the problem. He was NOT awful. He struggled and mind you, he was not the only one who did. Cos someone struggled does not mean they are awful. It is using extreme language to describe normal things, that is the issue here, IMO. We need to have more faith with new players who arrive and give them the time to bed-in. Even Salah struggled for a while when he first arrived. so did Ox and Robbo BUT clearly, people have forgotten about all that.

Same for Keita. he is struggling to come to grips with the team and a very complicated system that Klopp deploys BUT at least vs Burnley (esp. where he bossed the whole Burnley team on his own), WH, Palace n Spurs, we have seen what he can do and what we can look forward to. I know patience is no longer a virtue amongst the FIFA Manager generation of today BUT is is STILL a virtue.


5.) 16 Jan 2019 18:35:32
Never had any concerns about either of them.

Keita will grow up and grow into the squad dynamic 🤝.


6.) 16 Jan 2019 19:23:55
I think so too, Ron. I saw Keita play at RBL a lot last season and oh my, he is amazing. As soon as he gets going, look out.


7.) 16 Jan 2019 19:28:29
RedWolf, love your post - nailed it!


8.) 16 Jan 2019 19:48:57
Never a doubt in my mind, quality always comes good in the end.


9.) 16 Jan 2019 20:57:47
We need Keita to play at the front of a midfield 3 against the top sides in my opinion this is where he will shine

Munich could be the starting point.


10.) 16 Jan 2019 23:26:36
Agree Dezy, let him play the more attacking of the midfield three against the likes of Bayern will be perfect for him IMO. More of an Ox type player, good at carrying the ball forward but also with the engine to break down their play and get back in defence.


 

 

03 Jan 2019 13:27:37
Good luck today lads - it's a great day to be a Liverpool supporter! We have a wonderful opportunity to stamp our mark on the season, but even a loss won't kill us so let's go and enjoy it.

SGRed

1.) 03 Jan 2019 14:41:13
I have to agree SGRed, if we lose, it is not the end of the world. We would still be 4 points ahead of them which is still good at this point in the season.

Imagine if we won though, I get butterflies just thinking about it.


2.) 03 Jan 2019 15:16:02
We won't lose, i feel it in my bones. Even my dad, an ardent bluenose, is supporting Liverpool tonight, as it's the eve of his 3rd grand daughter's birth, so he owes me one!

{Ed025's Note - great stuff mate, i hope you win as well and mum and baby are all well and good my friend..


3.) 03 Jan 2019 15:36:43
Win, lose or draw. Make no mistake, nothing in this title race is over.

{Ed025's Note - if you win it is mate..


4.) 03 Jan 2019 16:17:56
Premature chicken counting is no longer one of my hobbies Ed. It ain’t over till the big boned maiden is waxing lyrical.

{Ed025's Note - if you win tonight redhof then you can bet that adele will be in full voice mate..


5.) 03 Jan 2019 16:41:14
I agree with ed25, if we win it could be over. 10 points clear of City and 9 of Spurs. We need to lose 4 games and City not to lose any to get past us, something I don't see happening, we may drop points and we may lose games but do any of us see us losing 4? About Spurs be honest, they don't have the depth to challange untill the end.


6.) 03 Jan 2019 16:52:45
Anyway I would say it like that, win, lose or draw enjoy the beauty of the ride this season is providing us!


7.) 03 Jan 2019 17:44:56
Cheers Ed, much appreciated mate.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..


8.) 03 Jan 2019 19:10:20
Regardless of the result tonight, NOTHING will be decided as there are too many games left hence, too many obstacles and pitfalls to navigate. Let's just give it a really good go, give it our all and have NO regrets when all is said and done after 95mins. YNWA!


 

 

12 Dec 2018 02:17:35
Immense from the lads last night but in particular Alisson. The front three look to be clicking again, and it feels like we may be gradually adjusting to the new more balanced system and are building a head of steam rather than having to scramble for results a little like we were a few weeks ago (even if we did so very effectively! ) .

It's coming together boys, let's hope we teach Man Utd a lesson this weekend and go into the Man City game in the new year with a lead to protect.

SGRed

{Ed0333's Note - let’s also pray we have a defense come Saturday. Hope TAA and Matip are ok.


1.) 12 Dec 2018 03:23:55
Agree mate, our defence has been immense but I wouldn’t mind if we ended up with Robbo, VVD, Lovren and Milner at the back worst case. We have some real depth now and can still play Hendo, Keita and Gini/ Shaqiri in midfield!

{Ed0333's Note - Agreed Robbo, Lovren, VVD and Milner would have to be the minimum tho mate, that’s if TAA and Matip are indeed injured. I must admit I’ve been quietly impressed with Matip lately. He’s got a mistake or two in him but he does seem to play well with VVD beside him. I know most don’t want to see Fab at right back but if he’s good enough for his national side there I’m sure he could do a job for us there if need be. I have a feeling Keita & Fab will play Sunday.


2.) 12 Dec 2018 04:03:26
Good shout - you know Mourinho will stick Fellaini in to win those long balls at some point and Fabinho will be useful.

{Ed0333's Note - I thought Fab was fab for the cameo he had against Napoli. Ironically he nearly cost us the game as it was his mistake that Becker had to make that superlative save at the end from. I’m on such a high and so enamoured by my football club right now I don’t even care if Adam Lalana plays on Sunday mate.


3.) 12 Dec 2018 06:20:50
I think we need Lovren more than Matip specifically against Man Utd courtesy of a certain Mr Fellaini. Lovren's better against physical brutes like Lukaku and Fellaini.
TAA, Robbo, VVD and LOvren imo against Man Utd is the bare minimum we need coz they are a team that always seem to have a plan that works against us in recent years.


4.) 13 Dec 2018 00:07:15
Cap in hand I wanted to see lovren start over matip. However, matip was solid and it was no surprise that it was lovren marking at the back post when they almost snatched the point they needed. When he plays with confidence he can be a beast, but he looked nervous when he came on. Bugger that VVD will miss the first leg, he's arguably our most valuable player, imo.


 

 

29 Nov 2018 05:51:54
A few thoughts from the game

- first of all, hats off to PSG for that first 20mins, they came out harder and faster than us and we were truly rattled
- Verratti in particular was immense, and as much as I love Hendo and think our midfield is decent, the difference between the two was pretty stark in the first half as we were way too slow on the ball while their movement and passing was sharp
- what's happened to the pressing and turnovers in midfield that led to our front three playing such devastating counterattacking football last season? . this new more conservative approach seems to be working against the lower sides in the PL OK, but we're struggling to create chances against the better teams this season
- instead, we were left too often having to build up through the wide channels and our front three isn't moving or connecting as fluidly as they did last year
- As much as I love Gomez, I felt this was a game for Trent at RB. Gomez should have played CB even if Lovren was decent enough. They just seemed to confuse each other at times

Still a good shot at Napoli and it's no disgrace to lose 2-1 at PSG after that first 20mins, but it does feel we're missing something in the midfield to allow us to really release the forwards early into space. almost no decent through balls on the ground last night.

SGRed

1.) 29 Nov 2018 06:48:19
I felt Klopp got his team wrong. I think this team was selected keeping the derby in mind, and ofcouse as fans hindsight is a wonderful thing for us and we have that advantage to question a manager after a game. But i think klopp could have done better in his team selection. Few question for me are:
1) He put in a slower defender (lovren opposed to gomez) and slower RB (gomez opposed to TAA) against a team that is probably the among the fastest in europe.
2) He played a three man midfield against there 5 (neymar di maria dropping) which was a mismatch in first 20 minutes.
3) Van djik didn't have the best game.
4) the front were three switched in first half. I don't know why he had firmino playing upfront when he would have helped immensely drawing verrati out of position if he was a bit deeper. he has been in that role much of the season and doing so well. why change?
5) Substitutions were very late shaq and studger came in after 70 mins. not enough time to impact?
6) No start for fabinho. why?


2.) 29 Nov 2018 07:31:13
The damage was done against Napoli and Red Star unfortunately, but then it wouldn't be Liverpool without making things dramatic would it? Roll on the derby! YNWA.


3.) 29 Nov 2018 08:01:55
We weren't decent against PSG in my opinion. Just 1 shot on target - the penalty. It wasn't a good performance.


4.) 29 Nov 2018 09:48:51
How did Verratti stay on the pitch!


5.) 29 Nov 2018 10:10:05
I would agree Longthing76 - I couldn't at all justify saying 'the ref cost us the game' but could 100% say 'he kept PSG in it'.

What I find hard to take is the constant play acting of their players. I don't think I've seen it that bad from any other club. I've tried to watch games involving PSG in the past and I just can't do it and don't know how any true football fan could put up with supporting their antics.

I know people say 'it's part of the game nowadays', but they are next level ridiculous with it all.

By no means am I excusing our performance as I think we were architects of our own downfall as both goals were actually quite soft in my opinion. I'll take it being in our own hands going into the last game at Anfield though.


6.) 29 Nov 2018 10:31:18
My first thought was"how good is Allisob"?


7.) 29 Nov 2018 10:33:38
We by no means deserved to win last night, I thought the midfield were awful, front 3 did not click at all.
Have to say the ref really was dire and that neymar really is a loathsome little p###k. How on earth he doesn't get pulled up on his theatrics is beyond me.

{Ed025's Note - wait till you see richarlison on sunday.. :)


8.) 29 Nov 2018 10:51:03
We were very poor but the ref was even poorer and in all honesty I don't understand how their players were not given cards for play acting. I hope we pull it out of the bag against Napoli but I'm not convinced we will as our tactics in Europe this year are pretty poor. That said, I'd be happy if the lads made me eat humble pie.


9.) 29 Nov 2018 11:18:55
I agree, we wernt good enough, but that whole team is a disgrace for the way they go down at the slightest touch. even Tiago silver who had an immense game went down under the slightest touch. disgusting and not nice to watch from any team.


10.) 29 Nov 2018 14:33:21
I agree their behaviour was disappointing, if not downright despicable, but frankly speaking many of the best sides in Europe are similar, and they use their skill to half beat the player and then theatrics on every foul to make the opposition think twice about lunging in again. It buys them the space they need to play the way they did.

I’m not saying we should join them, but we can’t be that naive as to think they will change, and neither should we ignore the fact that a lot of those fouls were because they were a half yard faster and a little bit slicker in the first place.

Our one-twos and through balls were dreadful most of the time but PSG were sharp last night. We deserved to lose and need to up our game in midfield and become more fluid again upfront if we’re going to beat sides like PSG in Europe.

We have the tools, if really like to see them unleashed a bit against Napoli.


11.) 29 Nov 2018 19:43:45
IMO, we just did not match their intensity and energy and that is becoming a worry whenever we go on the road in Europe this season. This has happened in all 3 of our CL road games this season. We allowed PSG to do whatever they wanted to us and we did not match them step for step in those first 20 mis. I'm sorry BUT you ain't winning a CL game on the road vs a powerhouse like PSG playing one half of "meh" football with NO shots in open play for 90 mins and I don't care who you play against.


 

 

 

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22 Apr 2019 04:56:00
He really needs to prove himself properly before a big move - a final minute winner against City should do the trick ;)

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27 Mar 2019 01:20:29
Definitely going to Chelsea then - if he was really committed he’d be learning Scouse!

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19 Mar 2019 11:37:38
Real, Barcelona and Bayern all going through a reshaping of their aging squads. Yes still huge draw cards, but not the guaranteed winners material they were before. Man City and Liverpool are the two hottest top sides in Europe IMO for a potent mix of playing talent, top managers and plenty of youth to develop even further in the coming years. Keep the squad and Klopp together, and just add the occassional top player to keep it fresh, and we could see a very productive few years for the trophy cabinet.

As you can guess, I’m a believer ;)

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13 Mar 2019 05:25:38
Thanks - the flow between the front three was really good against Burnley. Some benefit has to go to Lallana who got between the lines, but Mo looked really sharp as well as (of course) Mané and Firmino who scored 2 each. I hope we’re hitting another patch of form at just the right time.

Let’s go on to beat Bayern as that will be another big boost.

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08 Mar 2019 10:26:44
Very true Ed - the gulf in quality from u23 and PL is huge, so there are plenty of kids that look awesome but don’t make it. If you look at the likes of Rashford, Kane and others, it’s hard to predict who will make it as it often comes down to character than potential.

Brewster seems to have the goods, but I hope we have a top backup forward on the bench next year and not just hoping Brewster can come on and change games in his first season.

SGRed

{Ed025's Note - you have to be very careful with players like brewster SG, the kid is very talented but to throw him in at the deep end could ruin him, i know people will say if your good enough your old enough but thats not always the case, it has to be slowly slowly catchee monkey for me mate and he will be ready when the coaches say he is ready..


 

 

 

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23 Apr 2019 15:02:49
Bit rich from Luiz there after what they did to us in 2013/ 2014.

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22 Apr 2019 14:09:53
Some valid points there around what needs to be done Shappy, but not much about why Ole is the right guy to do the rebuild apart from he’s a former player.

Jose was obviously a very bad choice for the club because he didn’t fit the culture of the club, but just because Ole fits the culture, I’m not sure he has the managerial skills for what is ultimately massive job putting together the pieces.

If I were a Manc fan, I would rather have gone for someone like a Zidane or Simeone assuming one of them was available.

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22 Apr 2019 03:55:24
Agree with you hopeful - was great to see a professional decision being made by the medical team and looking after the player. Too many times in this league players are continuing on after dangerous head injuries and concussion.

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21 Apr 2019 14:58:58
If Man City win 14 on the trot to win the league then fair play to them, it will be an exceptional run. I think they’ll drop points though, and we need to be ready if they do.

What a season to be a red. this is insanely good title race and I’m loving every minute of it.

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19 Apr 2019 08:39:57
Our midfield is really solid, and the bench is also deep with Fabinho, Hendo, Gini, Milner, Keita and Ox all very capable starters, and Shaqiri a useful option too. I agree with Ed25, that Lallana used to be a good player but injuries mean you can’t really qualify him as an option anymore.

Away from the midfield is where we lack real depth, upfront I see Origi as useful, but nowhere near the quality of the starters, and Sturridge is well off the pace.

At the back, our CB options behind VVD and Gomez aren’t bad, but both Lovren and Matip have a mistake or two in them. Our cover for FBs is also very weak, and although mitigated by Milner’s ability to play FB, we need to address this urgently in the off season given how demanding we are of the FBs.

Migs isn’t a backup I’d like to see starting many games, but then not many sides have much better.

Overall I think we have a solid bench but a strong forward and a top FB away from being where we need to be vs the likes of Barca, Man city etc.

SGRed