Liverpool Banter Archive January 05 2018

05 Jan 2018 23:40:55
Sorry in advance Eds -- but I just want to address something quickly.
I've seen people giving Lallana stick for his performance tonight -- which I find ridiculous.
He worked his tail off to get back into a position to play again this season, let alone start.
He is going to need games.
A derby match prob isn't ideal for first start, but the lad needs time to find form.

So again, apologies for this post -- just a little upset at the plastic fans feeling the need to slag a player coming off a 4-month hiatus.

{Ed025's Note - rusty but did ok for me OC..

05 Jan 2018 23:57:37
Spot on, Ed. I thought he showed flashes of brilliance and good touch and skill to draw the penalty. He is clearly rusty and lacks full fitness. I thought he was fine, as well.

06 Jan 2018 00:06:38
i thought he was pretty decent tonight, lacking sharpness but was pretty tidy on the ball and full of running as usual both on and off the ball. great to have him back and look forward to seeing him at his best soon.

06 Jan 2018 00:07:32
Won the penalty. Did look rusty AF, but did put a shift in.

06 Jan 2018 00:11:06
OC, can’t agree with you more la, personally I don’t think Klopp should have thrown him into such a big game from the off, but I tell you what he did as good as everyone else out there tonight, just ran out of steam which you would expect after not playing since last May. Adam will be like a new top signing in a couple of weeks la. Is rite.

06 Jan 2018 00:11:14
Yeah rusty and the fact he was playing alongside Can and Milner only exacerbated things, he will be an important player for us in this second half of the season once he finds his feet again.

06 Jan 2018 00:13:01
Hit the nail on the head Ed mate. As he said rusty so get off his back lad's please.

06 Jan 2018 00:45:48
He's gone back to slow lallana.

06 Jan 2018 01:34:18
OC-It wasn’t his first start of the season.

06 Jan 2018 02:45:45
Sorry about that, Cobra.
Appreciate the correction there.
Cheers!

06 Jan 2018 12:21:46
No idea why people think because a player is back in the team (after a long injury) it means they will be running on all cylinders straight away, how long did it take Hendo to run his rust off from his injury earlier last year? Lallana was out for round about the same amount of time iirc.

05 Jan 2018 23:18:06
Coutinho scores a hat-trick against City before jetting out to Spain a day later. Would you wish him well?

{Ed0333's Note - of course he’s been incredible for us. One of the best players ever to put on a red shirt.

05 Jan 2018 23:24:46
behave ed. not even in the top 20.

05 Jan 2018 23:32:37
Think that's a tad over doing it Ed0333 😂 he's only the 3rd best player in the current squad.

05 Jan 2018 23:49:15
Joint third with Mane.

05 Jan 2018 23:51:20
Agree with the ed. Absolute genius.

06 Jan 2018 00:00:37
Don't know about that one, Ed BUT I agree with you, Cou has been great for us overall since he arrived in Jan of 2013.

06 Jan 2018 00:05:11
Ed you been drinking?

06 Jan 2018 00:12:08
Third best player in the current squad? Are you mad?

I hope agains't all hope that your mate Firmino (can't hold the ball) is not in the top 2.

06 Jan 2018 12:20:44
Markp, I think VVD has already taken 2nd spot 😂.

05 Jan 2018 23:04:55
"Holgate conceded a pen, shoved Firmino off the pitch, kicked off at our players, grabbed the ref, kicked off at his own teammates, poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses and he doesn't get a booking? Mate. ".

{Ed0333's Note - made me chuckle that.

05 Jan 2018 23:13:33
Very good benny.

05 Jan 2018 23:18:23
😂👌✌.

05 Jan 2018 23:22:42
Holgate even shoved Matip in the back on VVD's winner. How Holgate did not get sent off for shoving Bobbie (endangering the safety of the player) grabbing the ref by the shoulder, swearing at him and the lot, I will NEVER know. And people wonder why players don't respect refs. I watch other leagues and trust me, Holgate would have been off from jump.

{Ed025's Note - "endangering the safety of a player"?...god give me strength! he gave him a nudge into the crowd for christs sake, maybe holgate should be hung drawn and quartered or strung up on the tyburn tree, what about the poor ball? it got kicked all over the place tonight and should bring a lawsuit against all the players for assault!...the PC brigade really do my head in you know..

05 Jan 2018 23:31:50
and I knocked a pint 🍺 over roaring at the telly outrageous 😂.

05 Jan 2018 23:43:37
BRover, you fergie in disguise ;) ‘could of killed him’, he pushed him and bobbys momentum took him into the crowd should of been a yellow imo and hoping bobby hasn’t said anything untoward. All I could see him say was ‘puta’.

05 Jan 2018 23:51:06
Remember when Ashley Williams kicked the ball at RVP’s head and almost killed him.

05 Jan 2018 23:53:14
Holgate should of gone. Cheating little yard dog.

{Ed025's Note - get a life..

05 Jan 2018 23:56:48
A “nudge” 😂.
And Lovren man-handled Calvert Lewin for the penalty.

06 Jan 2018 00:02:54
For RedSteves pint loss, clear red surely?! 😣😏✌😉.

{Ed025's Note - gross misconduct for me laddie..

06 Jan 2018 00:06:31
I disagree, Ed. If Bobbie had fallen over, landed badly and dislocated his shoulder, you would not be saying what you are saying as that type of injury is always possible in this situation. We don't know with how much force Holgate pushed Bobbie with either so neither of us can say "he just nudged him a bit". That is endangering the safety of a player, IMO. That is a fact you can't deny. You have a diff. opinion and I disagree with it, nothing more, nothing less.

{Ed025's Note - the fact is brover..HE NEVER!!!..no one was injured, no one lost their life or a limb, no one is traumatized the only thing someone lost was me...the will to live after listening to all these precious little souls on here mate..

06 Jan 2018 00:11:52
he said "ce ta louco? ce ta louco? filho da puta! "
which translates to: "are you crazy? are you crazy? son of a b***h.

06 Jan 2018 00:19:47
Holgate is accusing Firmino of calling him the N word, yet it’s very clear from even the most basic lip reading he doesn’t utter that word “tu es loco” and “filha da putos” are repeatedly said. If he misheard him, fair enough, but if he was accusing Firmino of that to get himself out of the sh*t he created for himself with his violent conduct that’s pretty low. Particularly from a bloke whose twitter feed is littered with homophobic abuse.

05 Jan 2018 22:57:46
Surprised this hasn’t been mentioned but is anyone concerned with what Firmino said? Holgate’s reaction suggests something was said.

05 Jan 2018 23:12:37
It looked like from lip reading he said Puta, which other people on twitter have also picked up on. Puta means whore in Portuguese i. e a prostitute. I know I shouldn't laugh at all but that's kind of funny to me, I don't think he can get in trouble for that as players swear on the pitch all the time.

05 Jan 2018 23:13:17
I am. The vibes aren't good. Saying that one BBC commentator said there was a spit. I hope not.

05 Jan 2018 23:13:44
Colgate was the guilty party, how he stayed on the pitch after that fiasco is beyond me . not sure on the ref tonight .

{Ed0333's Note - it was a red all day long.

05 Jan 2018 23:15:46
He was angry at himself for giving away the pen, fimino stood up to him and did t take to kindly to it, mountain out of a molehill for me. If it was a racist remark there would be more of a reaction from the Everton players imo.

05 Jan 2018 23:16:49
Well if he did say something the ref surely must of heard it as he was standing in front of Holgate when he kicked off like a mad man.

{Ed0333's Note - not sure the referee understands portuguese

05 Jan 2018 23:17:55
Thanks for filling me in Alonso! Big Sam’s interviewed made me nervous. Just don't want another Suarez incident. Anyway happy days we won haha.

05 Jan 2018 23:20:40
Does Holgate ed033?

{Ed0333's Note - let me text him I’ll let you know what he says.

05 Jan 2018 23:22:50
Crazy son of a b! tch he said. An he is right! If im wrong ill look a tit, however, i believe Colgate has kicked off at the word "puta" assuming its racism. If he has wrongfully accused firmino, i want a full statement and apology from colgate.
I mean the referee was stood right there, if he used the N word, he would of been sent off. Have we just seen someone play a race card? if we have, players have sunk to a low i never thought id see to get other players in trouble, and if he has he deserves a very long ban.

Of course, flip side, if firmino has used racist language ill be extremely disappointed and encourage a length ban.

{Ed025's Note - COLGATE benny?...maybe he was sending out the wrong SIGNAL as hes not ULTRA BRIGHT.... it was something and nothing mate and a line should be drawn under it for me ..

05 Jan 2018 23:34:24
OP, I'm not concerned with what Bobbie said. Would you care if someone almost injured you by shoving you into the stands as a defenseless player? What we should be outraged about is how a player who shoved a player into the stands (endangering his safety), grabbing the ref by his collar and swearing at him, finished the game? The ref was useless on that situation and yet people wonder why PL don't respect refs. The refs don't assert their authority. In other leagues, Holgate would have been sent off.

{Ed025's Note - sigh..

05 Jan 2018 23:45:16
Ahh that’s what it was Holgate is a Colgate user but bobby swears by oral b!

05 Jan 2018 23:29:31
Appreciate it ed0333 ;)

06 Jan 2018 00:02:04
Basically the ref should have dealt with it straight away and shown a red card. No need for Bobby to react once the ref makes the decision.
The ref totally mishandled the situation. I will defend refs a lot of the time but that was as poor as Andy Durso being hounded by Roy Keane and Jaap Stam.
I think Benny may be correct with his appraisal of the aftermath.

{Ed025's Note - anyone who pushes another person should be jailed for life, swearing 8-10 years, mistimed tackle 200hrs community service....tarts..

06 Jan 2018 00:04:50
Holgate got called something in Spanish whcibtrabslates to whore and has assumed the worst and went on one. The little boy was in the wrong and lucky to remain on the pitch, he should take a step back and realise he’s talented but not to be ‘that persob’ Nothing racist was said, nobody spat you canclearly see what was said and if Holgate knows the Portuguese for a racist term fair play but I doubt it and having watched the game with a half Brazilian (and half Irish so he may have been drunk) I can safely say nothing racist was said. None story carry on only thing would be Holgate getting a retrospective ban which in all honest, the games over and done move on and he’ll learn.

{Ed025's Note - move on is correct...cue abuse from the PC brigade..

06 Jan 2018 00:57:35
Holgate endangered Firimino’s health by deliberately pushing him into the hoardings/ crowd, not to mention the possibility of injury to a member of the crowd, for me that’s way up there as one of the most dangerous tackles of the season and should be seen as such even by blue tinted vision glasses.

{Ed025's Note - have a day off mate..

06 Jan 2018 01:07:57
Look guys - Holgate clearly shoved Bobby over the hoardings with some force, which Bobby reacted to which is, in my opinion, very normal.

This was a derby match with all the emotion that goes with it. Holgate was wrong and should have been yellow carded in my view.

In the end the Everton players were very wound up certainly by big Sam, who has just lost his 3rd game in a row, and is probably already looking over his shoulder.

We won without our best palyers, and I for one am very happy about that.

We are the team through to the next round.

06 Jan 2018 12:23:44
i’m sure derby days used to be like that for a full 90+ minutes but the game has gone soft 😞
Who doesn't love a crazy challenge and a fight in a derby? Cheer up guys bobby wasn’t injured.

05 Jan 2018 22:49:21
Reading reports we e agreed £145 million for Coutinho with add ons but doesn't say what they are. Rest of squad have flown to Dubai without him for a training camp.

Don't know if it's true but can the Ed's confirm anything?

05 Jan 2018 22:56:49
I'd assume the £145m (if the figure is right) would be including add ons?

{Ed0333's Note - knowing the way FSG bungle transfers its 5 million guaranteed and 140 million add ons lol

05 Jan 2018 23:11:27
Don't forget the packet of crisps too.

05 Jan 2018 23:18:13
Ed333 you had me in stitches mate, the sad thing is you're probably not far off.

05 Jan 2018 22:28:52
Great result for the reds tonight. how about that big beautiful Dutch bast $rd ay 😍. the performance was again under the standards previously set by the lads . but aswell as . that big beautiful Dutch bast$rd the most pleasing thing is we seem to be able to win ugly persay which in years gone by if we didn't perform it was bailed on we wouldn't win and drop points but that last 2 performances have shown a real grit and different side to the team especially in the think of all these fixtures .

06 Jan 2018 00:09:33
I'll be honest with you ed, buddy
We probably got the decisions tonight. How soft have penalties gone these days.

But in the broader scheme of things, have you noticed in the last few games how refereeing decisions have decided games. im talking Liverpool, Arsenal, United etc

It has to be a horrible job to referee, horrible. But you know what's worse? Being banned from the touch line for 3 games for speaking the truth! Poor oul Wenger!

05 Jan 2018 22:20:55
I've said it in a reply previously but it's so nice to see the introduction of Karius, VVD and Gomez to bring a calmness to our backline. For years we have had GKS and Defenders who constantly panic and make mistakes. We need these types of players. Still a long way to go but positive signs.

05 Jan 2018 22:31:29
A bit too casual at times though. Karius was too relaxed at times and Gomez and Van Dijk both git lucky a couple of times. At the end of the day though, we won.

Our penalty was soft but in the modern day that's a foul. Anywhere else on the pitch, nobody bats an eyelid. We'll, unless it's Bolasie rugby tackling Matip. Not that Matip would've got back anyway though. He tracks back at about 2mph.

In the end, the only goal without controversy was scored by the £75m man. What a way to start your Liverpool career! Thunderbirds are go!

05 Jan 2018 22:35:10
Except he moves at snail pace. Hopefully he be coached out of that.
U less we are going to sign a top keeper then suggest Ward stays back up and Karius gets a go. Would get rid of migs.
Van Dijk looks superb though and Gomez looks a brilliant player. I’m impressed with Robertson too.

05 Jan 2018 22:37:35
Karius is possibly the only goalkeeper worse than Mignolet in the league. Sorry to be negative but he is just a nervous wreck everytime he plays. He spends far too much time posting selfies and worrying about his hair.

05 Jan 2018 22:39:34
Would your rather a keeper to come out and lash it into the stand or a player to play it into no man's land? This only creates momentum for the opposition. I know I wouldn't. It's exactly what we need. Yes perhaps a little casual on a couple of occasions but it's the way forward.

05 Jan 2018 22:42:38
Karius was looked nervy and indecisive tonight, and I'm not really sure why because I thought he'd generally played well so far this season, so he shouldn't really be doubting himself.

I'd still play him instead of Migs if I were in charge anyway.

05 Jan 2018 22:44:14
Sorry but Karius is not a nervous wreck. I think perhaps you're not used to our backline trying to play because this is what we have been used to since the days of Hanson. Karius tries to play but perhaps is a bit too casual on a couple of occasions but as Redwin says above, hopefully he can be coached or just learn the pace of English football more.

05 Jan 2018 22:44:49
Incredibly negative Les, and without substance.

05 Jan 2018 22:46:21
I think the karius being slow thing is harsh, he needs a run of games for confidence, there is a very good keeper in there and as fans we need to give him time, look how many mistakes migs makes. We are only nervous as we are a) new to it and b) have t trusted a keeper since the first few years of Reina.

05 Jan 2018 22:49:53
karius was calm? Please tell me when. Too flat footed and handed for their goal. Great win tonight. As if anyone doesn't know though, we are desperately, desperately, desperately weak in the GK department.

05 Jan 2018 22:54:38
Very uncalled for in my opinion Karius was playing with a new centre back who is far more vocal and organiser more than Lovren, Matip and Klavan. They just need to get use to each other and both will be fine. All of Van Dijk, Gomez and Karius have lapses in concentration but in time this will hopefullly be ironed out.

05 Jan 2018 22:55:59
Walkout for there goal the whole team were all over the place and gylfi put it away with a calm finish, karius at times played the ball out from the back, yes he looked rusty but after a run of games I think he can be a very good keeper imo.

{Ed0333's Note - I like Karius. Much prefer him to Migs. He needs games to iron out his the wrinkles in his game. The more game time he has the more confidence he will get and the more consistent he will become. Classy keeper in my opinion.

05 Jan 2018 23:02:31
Okay I'll say it again Walkon
Would your rather a keeper to come out and lash it into the stand or a player to play it into no man's land? This only creates momentum for the opposition. I know I wouldn't. It's exactly what we need. Yes perhaps a little casual on a couple of occasions but it's the way forward.

05 Jan 2018 23:13:25
How come no one has mentioned the ball he dropped when trying to catch a cross? Migs would have. been slaughtered for that but golden boy gets lauded as the answer to all our problems. Good job VVD bollocked him a couple of times to get his arse in gear and come out for the ball. A half decent keeper would have anticipated that himself and been in position.

{Ed0333's Note - I’m pretty sure he was fouled when he dropped that cross I stand corrected though. I like the golden boy moniker it suits him

05 Jan 2018 23:13:35
Look at De Gea when he first came to Utd, they all wanted him gone. I say give him the rest of the season, what’s the worse that can happen if we don’t give him a chance. mignolet in net!
And if he hasn’t proven he is the answer then we dip into the market for a replacement.

{Ed0333's Note - totally agree mate

05 Jan 2018 23:30:51
I'm sure he caught it but it hit someone's head on the way down. These things happen.

05 Jan 2018 23:46:14
This wasn't a performance to convince Klopp to make Karius first choice but he didn't make any serious blunders. Rack it up as a learning experience and move on.

05 Jan 2018 23:48:10
Spot on, Ed. Karius will NEVER show his potential and get a true understanding with his back line if he keeps playing once every month. That is just insane. Those bashing him need to take a day off. The kid needs to be playing full time so he can get to grips with the PL and his defenders to forge a good relationship. Playing once every month will not make him better and those judging him on that, need to give their heads a wobble.

06 Jan 2018 12:10:38
Karius is not the answer VVD had to scream at him to sweep up that is not good people.

05 Jan 2018 22:18:40
Sammy lee reaction after van dyke's winner love the man's passion even for Everton lol Sammy always a red though.

05 Jan 2018 23:49:16
Love Sammy Lee BUT that look on his face was PRICELESS.

05 Jan 2018 22:09:46
I'm not sure what makes me smile the most. That's it's been so long since Everton won at Anfield, OR Emre Can getting a bollocking off the crowd for numerous errors and reacting ORVan Dyke screaming at Karius to come out all the time OR the big man scoring the winner.
Happy Friday Mardafarkers.

05 Jan 2018 22:03:12
Wasn't pretty but we are in the draw for the next round. That's all that counts.

05 Jan 2018 21:58:10
VVD'S presence alone is a huge positive.

05 Jan 2018 22:02:20
All those doubters hope your humble pie tastes good.

{Ed0333's Note - he’s only played 90 minutes and scored the winner in a derby lol. Don’t get too carried away mate. There’s a hint of irony in there somewhere. I’ll be ready for my humble pie when he does this consistently

05 Jan 2018 23:56:18
Truth, pipe down, man. It's only Everton, lol. The real challenge will come when we play City next Sun.

{Ed025's Note - and bobby cant play...hes in a full plaster body cast after being assaulted and seriously hurt by the shove from holgate..wont be easy..

05 Jan 2018 21:55:44
Eds,

I know I've written some crap before, but base on tonight's game, don't you think that we need someone that can unlock games like these when Coutinho goes and a better stopper? Karius was very hard to watch today and I've got a heart condition. Anyway that's my opinion.

Apart from that amazing win today reds, always a great feeling to beat Everton. YNWA.

{Ed0333's Note - I don’t think Karius was that dodgy adrien?

05 Jan 2018 22:01:01
He was so slow off the line.

05 Jan 2018 22:01:59
We created plenty of chances.

05 Jan 2018 22:03:41
Someone like Coutinho makes these games easier, far easier. Karius is not De Gea but he’s the best we have.

05 Jan 2018 22:06:10
I like the fact that Karius is a little more relaxed. Over the years we have had GKS and Defenders who panic and make mistakes. Karius along with VVD and Gomez have brought a calming influence to the back line. Exactly what we need.

05 Jan 2018 22:06:53
He looked a bit slow off his line tbh. Anyway it’s done, let’s savour the amazing feeling of beating the blues. It was a hard game and again we showed character, that’s the most important thing.

05 Jan 2018 22:09:54
I don't think Karius had a lot to be judged on tonight in fairness. No chance with the goal and Everton hardly tested him.

05 Jan 2018 22:10:39
He was slow off his line as VVD left it for him, it wasn't his call.

05 Jan 2018 22:13:30
karius was fine, the drop, he did a great catch then it hit matip on the head, it happens!
needs to be quicker off the line? he came off and got the everything, what's there to moan about?!

05 Jan 2018 22:25:26
Would your rather a keeper come out and lash it into the stand and create momentum for the opposition? I know I wouldn't.

06 Jan 2018 12:15:24
Firmane. if you are talking about the incident I think you are then VVD should have dealt with it himself, not leave it for the keeper. Leaving it for the keeper was silly in that circumstance.

05 Jan 2018 21:24:24
How can it be 1-1 again! So poor in the final third.

{Ed0333's Note - De Ja Vu mate

05 Jan 2018 21:34:52
Robertson mate.

05 Jan 2018 21:51:34
Robertson brilliant tonight.

05 Jan 2018 22:10:20
Against bolasie robertson definatly knew he was in a game tonight but he done very very well. Same can't be said about the other side, gomez had a night to forget. Great to see big Virgil making his voice heard telling people where to go. Kind of thing not seen since carra.

05 Jan 2018 22:11:15
This De Ja Vu guy, is he any good and could he replace Pipco? Could we get him for £50m? What do you think Ed?

06 Jan 2018 10:02:01
Marto, what was wrong with Robertson! He was one of our better players tonight, you could easily pick 5 6 or 7 who were much poorer, I thought he played very well.

05 Jan 2018 19:27:10
My prediction - Mané is going to score a hat trick tonight. Back to his best tonight.

05 Jan 2018 18:59:12
VVD thrown in at the deep end. I like it 👍.

05 Jan 2018 19:03:00
Massive. Hope he plays well, could get ugly if he doesnt.

{Ed025's Note - hes very ugly anyway faith.. :)

05 Jan 2018 19:18:39
culd be worse he could look like harry maguire aka frankenstein.

05 Jan 2018 19:20:48
Oh Ed025 you must have had them Southern Comfort goggles on😁.

{Ed025's Note - he does nothing for me barry...maybe if he wore a basque and sussies it would be different mate.. :)

05 Jan 2018 19:28:15
Cheeky £5 on him first goal at 25/ 1.

05 Jan 2018 19:07:36
Van Dijk and Matip together scares the life out of me.

Hope it works and we get a great win tonight. Also hope Lovren or Klavan is back for City.

Have a great night all.

05 Jan 2018 18:21:25
So whatever happened to the comments section on lfc. tv sight? I think is was removed for all the slagging of fsg and Rodgers but I love reading other people's arguments. Was it re. oved or just moved when the format changed a good while back? I moss it.

05 Jan 2018 18:32:29
Hey Wooly, I haven’t been there for around 15 years but I started on the LFC. tv forums. Was great in the early 2000s before the kids took over!

05 Jan 2018 18:35:15
Pardon the typos.

05 Jan 2018 18:40:35
I can't remember logging on a seeing a civilised discussion. Yes a lot of them would have been trolls I'm guessing but it was entertaining to read. I would say it disappeared about 2 years ago.

05 Jan 2018 18:47:22
Like I said, back in the early 2000s there were some good posters on there and I met quite a few mates through it - a couple of names come to mind, one called cyn who I think was from the Far East and a chap called Harsh, and ale Boss. There was also one who reminds me of Adam, although I can’t remember his moniker now! Shared a lift with him to Anfield for a game in 2002 tho!

Last time I checked (5-6 years ago) it had descended into a load of kids slagging off the team and each other, a bunch of kids and WUMs. Sad, but it’s the reason I found this site, so all good in the end!

05 Jan 2018 16:49:23
Oblak for £100m reported in the papers?!?

05 Jan 2018 17:00:14
Wow.

The papers have finally lost their mind, excuse me while I lie down and look vacantly into the sky for hopes of finding some form of intelligent life.

05 Jan 2018 17:00:46
Of all the players we have be linked with in the past week.
I think he would improve the team the most.

05 Jan 2018 17:05:23
Oblak would be great but Allison or Butland are equally good options.

05 Jan 2018 17:09:16
I read we were interested but the £100 million was suggested to be his release clause, not that we were going to pay it.

05 Jan 2018 17:12:23
£100m for a goalkeeper I hope not even if he is good.

05 Jan 2018 17:59:48
Yes, as Bandit said, its a misleading headline. Only says we're interested but see the £100m release clause as a problem, not that we would pay it, in fact the exact opposite. Something like £50-£60m on him would be a great investment.

05 Jan 2018 18:02:25
I've just seen a group of pigs fly by my window . pure fantasy.

05 Jan 2018 18:03:35
That's correct bandit06 they just said it was his release clause.

05 Jan 2018 16:43:51
Ok enough about transfers it's match day Derby Day.
What's everyone's score prediction's? 3-0 to Liverpool is mine.

{Ed025's Note - anything from 0-0 to 4-0...but always a 0 at our end..

05 Jan 2018 16:49:39
Don’t be so negative Ed yous scored a penalty against us a few weeks ago.

{Ed025's Note - we needed a brain fart by dejan for that one SK, i feel getting in your half will be a bigger problem tonight mate..

05 Jan 2018 16:55:04
Lol I hope not ed025. How do you feel about Barkley leaving?

{Ed025's Note - glad in a way that he will break away from the hanger on mates who,s freeloading have hampered his development K2017, his career was going nowhere due to some very poor life choices but would have liked to have got more money for him as he certainly has talent mate..

05 Jan 2018 17:08:19
2-2 imo.

05 Jan 2018 17:06:14
Be more positive Ed. We might score an own goal.

{Ed025's Note - you may need to benny, i cant see us scoring myself but i live in hope mate..

05 Jan 2018 17:13:09
Is your new striker available Ed? I think your writing yourself off there mate, we’re missing players and big Sam will do his usual.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure on tosun hopeful but would doubt he would start in any case mate, im expecting a backs to the wall war of attrition because as you say sam will do his usual..

05 Jan 2018 18:04:58
Hahaha fair play Ed, I’ve got a bad feelin about tonight myself, I think yous will cause us reds an upset.

{Ed025's Note - i just cant see it SK..

05 Jan 2018 19:04:48
When you can't see it is the most likely time ed! Vvd first start, few games rest since last game for us could mean longer time for players to take notice of rumours swirling the club, no salah, cold night etc. The ingredients are there!

{Ed025's Note - not for me mate but we will see i suppose..

05 Jan 2018 19:22:55
Underestimate a fired up Everton at our peril I think. It’s about time they got a result against us.

{Ed025's Note - hmmmm..

05 Jan 2018 19:09:24
Well let’s hope it’s a good game anyway ed, not decided by a poor refereeing decision or something like that. Whatever happens I know you’ll be on here giving us some stick either way.

05 Jan 2018 16:00:24
Don't get me wrong, I love Coutinho as a player and I hope he does well when he goes to Barcelona but I really don't understand why he is pushing to go in January. He will have no european football until next season because he's cup tied and has the possibility of missing out if we do very well this season in Europe.
If we win the Champions League he will feel a bit of an idiot. And yes this sounds a long shot but he has more of a chance winning it woth us than them this season.
Barcelona don't need him right now because they are doing well enough without him in their league. So Why are Barcelona and Coutinho so desperate? He may as well give his all for the rest of the season then go? Surely that makes more sense lol.

05 Jan 2018 16:25:42
His been his dream to play there. If he goes now he will win a trophy this season probably the laliga.

CL win for LFC although possible is a lot less certain than Barcelona winning the league this year.

This plus he won't want Barcelona to move on to other options.

05 Jan 2018 16:31:05
It seems he's still got this idea in his head that Barcelona won't come calling again when they clearly will, also the prospect of him getting injured which I can't understand because the best outcome is for us to agree a deal with Barcelona now for Coutinho to head their in the summer.

05 Jan 2018 16:55:35
Barca might move on to other options in the summer (if they feel that Liverpool is too unwilling and difficult to deal with, Coutinho gets injured etc) .

That's probably why he wants to push through the deal and get it done asap.

05 Jan 2018 15:29:53
With Can having “reached an agreement in principle” - allegedly- do the Ed’s think that this now becomes a bargaining strategy with us and others, or is he committed to going? In real li employees frequently resign with an alternative job offer, and then effectively blackmail a pay rise and stay.

I think the Italian league might suit him better as he is maybe too slow - on the turn particularly- for the EPL.

{Ed002's Note - Why try to complicate everything?}

05 Jan 2018 18:32:31
He will be a top player in Italy. Look at pogba He is not all that good in the prem but looked really good at juve.

05 Jan 2018 14:52:29
We might as well stick with what we have imo if Mahrez is going to be considered as a replacement. He is a winger and not as good as Mane or Salah so why do we need him?

What we need is a playmaker, someone pulling the strings picking the passes and scoring bangers. We have a work horse midfield and decent forwards already and with Phil gone we will come up against teams with brick walls again and struggle to break them down.

Eds has said that we have had a very long time to seek a replacement ever since the Summer when the club were aware that Phil wanted out yet here we are scratting around with what seems like very few options. And showing interest in Lemar who's owner has said he won't sell him full stop.

We are also going to have a half arsed Emre playing now as he is also off in the Summer.

If we don't bring in someone to replace Phil my fear is it could well disrupt our season in a big way.

05 Jan 2018 15:00:25
Think you need to have a little more faith mate can't seeing how coutinho leaving now and Can staying disrupts the season it is not like they have been our two best players this season
I think we will be fine.

05 Jan 2018 15:08:59
Klopp seems to be playing the long game - waiting for VVD, patience for Keita. I hope if Coutinho leaves we don’t go for a knee jerk option. We can survive with Lallana and Ox in the attacking midfield if required. I’m more worried about Hendos injury and our reliance on Can without much back up deeper.

05 Jan 2018 15:11:48
I would prefer to get the right player in even if it means waiting till the summer than get a squad filler in Jan if Coutino goes.

Quality over quantity. Surely we have learned our lesson.

05 Jan 2018 15:12:59
If you look at our forward line they constantly move/ swap/ interchange, they aren’t static, Mahrez could fit that. Can will put as much effort in as he has all season, he so known his options and his likely choice, this isn’t news to him. It’s a World Cup year everybody will try anyway. So much misery on here we’ve done well lately made strides in fixing a key issue in signing VVD yet we’re still moaning?

05 Jan 2018 15:19:43
Half arsed Emre playing? In his head he’s known all season this is his last and the player has not once given less than maximum effort required. Re watch the Klavan winner against Burnley and you watch Can celebrating then come back and tell me that’s half arsed!

05 Jan 2018 15:22:44
I agree with your post, we shouldn't go for Mahrez if that's our only option but have faith in Klopp as he seems to only being in the players he wants. I am not panicking, as we haven't sold Coutinho just yet and its not like we didn't have since summer to identify who we want in to replace him.

05 Jan 2018 15:33:20
To say it won’t be disruptive is very short sighted. Coutinho has directly contributed to 20 goals this season in League and Champions League, is literally our only real consistent threat in free kicks and shooting from distance, that’s not even including goals that he had provided a key pass for, there isn’t anyone in our squad that has the same skill set or ability. As for Can his head is now in Turin as it has been for the last few weeks and there’s no way that he would compromise that if it meant injury, as such it’s obvious because he’s pulling out of 50/ 50 challenges and not really giving 100%. So having losing one key player is bad enough but having one who isn’t really pulling their weight then yes, that’s a massive disruption.

05 Jan 2018 15:04:37
Mahrez has excellent playmaking ability that would work well for us were Coutinho to leave. If Klopp can get him playing at his top level, he will be an excellent signing for us.

I prefer we get our top target in Lemar though. Looks special. I hope.

But if Klopp goes for Mahrez, I think he'll do better than you think.

05 Jan 2018 15:45:38
Klopp learnt his lesson i think, when he couldn't get Zielinski, panicked, and ended up with Wijnaldum.

If he wants Mahrez, it won't be a knee jerk reaction. It'll be bloody stupid in my opinion, but I'll trust in Klopp.

05 Jan 2018 15:50:41
Lemar is a top talent, Mahrez is not. Simple as that.

05 Jan 2018 19:25:27
Mr Dennis, the last time you went on a crusade to diss a player on every thread was for Oxlade Chamberlain, and look how that turned out. Have a break and enjoy the match tonight.

05 Jan 2018 14:18:41
I'm confused - so what's new?!

Didn't Salah win the African Player of the Year in December? I'm sure I saw a video of Klopp handing him the trophy at Melwood?

Is this just the ceremony he's been attending? But why, if he's already got the trophy?

05 Jan 2018 14:29:21
Zedd wasn't it the BBC award he won in December?

05 Jan 2018 14:36:45
One was BBC African player and this one was the African confederations award.

05 Jan 2018 14:38:43
He won the BBC award in December, and the CAF award yesterday.

05 Jan 2018 14:40:26
In December it was the BBC African player of the year.

Last night it was the FIFA award (more prestigious)

05 Jan 2018 14:43:14
Ah yes! Thank you WYred! It was indeed the BBC African Player of the Year award that Mo won in December, and its the CAF African Player of the Year award he's just won now!

I fully expect him to also win the Snooker World Championships later this year, the Grand National and, in a freak result, beat defending champion Rob Cross to the 2019 PDC World Darts Championships!

Keep on winning Mo!

05 Jan 2018 14:48:07
BBC AFY is different from the CAF AFY, OP.

05 Jan 2018 13:54:15
Now reports are coming in that Liverpool are looking at Gelson Martins. in addition to the other thirty players that are supposedly joining.

I honestly cannot wait until the end of this January transfer window. At least then the focus can be on the football and not the piles and piles of money.

Fingers crossed the Coutinho situation is resolved early on, otherwise, if we lose him, we may resort to panic buying to appease the fans. Hopefully we get this right.

05 Jan 2018 14:09:12
Thing is that Barcelona haven’t made an offer and I think they’ll do what they did last time and leave it to the end of the window. In which case we should reject it as we simply won’t have the chance to bring in a quality replacement and as we’ve experienced before, panic buying is a bad thing to do,

05 Jan 2018 14:21:26
I thought that at first as well Mr Dennis, but I genuinely think that Barcelona simply want to get this deal done as soon as possible.

They know that, if they wait, Liverpool will reject the bid citing the lack of time to bring in a replacement. Barcelona clearly want Coutinho, are willing to pay to get him in January, which is a difficult time to buy any player, and they know Coutinho is one of our most important players. If they want to bring Coutinho to Barcelona then they have to pay big and they have to do it early.

The longer this takes the less likely Barcelona are to buy Coutinho, although I still expect him to leave in the next week or so.

05 Jan 2018 14:49:12
I thought there were 40 players, coming in to replace Cou, OP.

05 Jan 2018 15:07:17
Gelson Martins is a no for me. Very Very high risk. Too raw.

05 Jan 2018 13:15:32
I see gerrard joined Chelsea after all, my mistake its ross barkley! at least he escapes from playing under fat sam, having bought a new striker for everton does he realise to get the best from him he will actually have to do some attacking? one last question for ed0025 ( happy new year btw mate) how did you go from wanting silva of Watford yet settled for the polar opposite in playing styles? would love to hear your thoughts, speaking of peter Beardsley he could walk into your current line up today!

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately KK everton dont consult me on managerial appointments mate..

05 Jan 2018 14:49:47
They should, Ed25.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

05 Jan 2018 13:17:16
As much as I wanted can to stay, I do think that he should only play when needed - not completely drop him, just if others are available they should play.

05 Jan 2018 18:49:47
I've not seen the half-arsed efforts that others have seen in Can this season. I've seen him make mistakes but I don't think that's to do with effort tho? Anyways, if we havde him and he can contribute then we should play him.

05 Jan 2018 13:03:32
ed i feel sorry for you mate so many people talking rubbish. people need to face facts can is going and coutinho will go and o be it. we move on we replace and we keep building.

05 Jan 2018 12:39:25
Long time reader first time poster!
Ed 01 if Couts is to leave who would be your dream replacement and why?

{Ed001's Note - dream? Messi, because he is able to play those killer passes and far more. Though that seems a bit obvious, it is true there is no one better in the world at the role he wants to play.}

05 Jan 2018 12:14:58
Right now emre is going on a free I hope us Liverpool fans don't turn into a bunch of spiteful hypocrites and start the whole "drop him he should never play for us again" malarky. most of us want to sign goretzka on a free in the summer and we'll be praising the boy for showing ambition if he came. Thanks for your service emre and good luck for the future.

05 Jan 2018 12:23:28
He only deserves to be dropped if he isn’t performing, which he isn’t to be honest, but we’re not blessed with alternatives in that area so we’re stuck with a player who it seems can’t be bothered and wants to go somewhere else.

05 Jan 2018 12:30:13
The difference being that Goretzka is currently playing out of his skin for Schalke, and Can is spending more time brushing his hair out of his eyes than he is getting stuck in to challenges.

Maybe Can will pull his finger out, now he has his move lined up. Perhaps it was a distraction? But to me it's come across as a lack of effort and desire.

05 Jan 2018 12:37:47
Unfortunately my friend, in the world that we live in idiots and hypocrites are not scarce.

05 Jan 2018 12:54:18
I agree maverick. There are so many idiots who support Can and Coutinho through this tough time of leaving Liverpool, but won't support Lovren when he struggles to cope with being robbed at gun point, and facing the risk of going to prison over corruption in Crotian football.

Then there are the hypocrites who still to this day slaughter Suarez, Mascherano and Torres, but think we should send Can and Coutinho off with a key to the city and a nice picnic hamper.

Look mate, this is my opinion and you're entitled to disagree. I've never been a hypocrite over this though, but i guess it's your opinion if you think I'm being an idiot, and i accept that.

I personally think people are trying to be too nice and politically correct in this modern world of people getting easily offended. Can and Coutinho are self serving millionaires who don't give a damn about you, me, or Liverpool FC. So forgive me for not giving a damn about them!

05 Jan 2018 12:55:52
Just as long as he gives 100% until the summer and stays professional on and off the pitch then I have no complaints. He’s been a decent servant to Liverpool, never really caused any disruptions and just simply had his head turned after failing to come to an agreement.

It was clearly not about money which I can’t figure out if that’s a good thing or a bad thing but regardless, can isn’t good enough at this point in his career to be our main man in midfield, in my opinion. He’s shown glimpses the past couple of seasons but he’s around the same level as Henderson, who I think adds more and has more ability than can.

If it wasn't for injuries Henderson would be well ahead of can. As it is now we need a better sitting midfielder than both players so cans departure is necessary for that to happen anyway because I don’t see hendo leaving. Good move for him and I hope he reaches the heights he was projected to reach but I personally don’t see it happening.

05 Jan 2018 13:56:45
Spot on Maverick, some of the comments on here are ridiculous and idiotic.

05 Jan 2018 14:59:42
Can has always given 100% overall since he's been here. One can never rule out the fact that this kid played thru injury last season to get us top 4 and him being a bit off, should NEVER change that fact, IMO. As long as he gives his all as he has done 90% of the time at LFC, I'm not bothered esp. since we have Naby coming in to take his place.

05 Jan 2018 11:58:04
Wee bit of trivia-banter lads,
Who was the most intelligent (on-field) player to pull on the Liverpool shirt, in relatively recent memory

For me it's Peter Beardsley.
(He was sold far too early - he had plenty left)

{Ed025's Note - very intelligent SID...he moved to everton.. :)

05 Jan 2018 12:11:13
Alonso for me, and again sold far too early (or forced out, should I say! )

05 Jan 2018 12:11:34
Molby for me. The guy looked like he could pull strings for 90 minutes without actually moving.

05 Jan 2018 12:13:58
Xabi Alonso for me.

05 Jan 2018 12:17:39
Litmanen, Berger, hamman?

05 Jan 2018 12:34:28
Maybe Hyypia? Never had a bit of pace and very rarely got found out.

05 Jan 2018 12:36:44
It has to be Alonso, Molby, Gary Mac, Benayoun, Hamman, Lucas or Hyypia. How those lot played so well through an era where pace started coming into the game more and more, when they themselves could've been outpaced by a dead tortoise, still defies logic.

Intelligence was what their games were built in. They played in the heads more than with their feet. Unbelievable players, all of them. Benayoun especially because he lacked pace, height, and strength!

05 Jan 2018 14:15:29
Gary Mac, what a shout. He had such an impact when he came in. he's big, he's bald, he's worth his weight in gold!

05 Jan 2018 18:09:38
Alonso by a street.
Also shout out to Digger, that lad was eons ahead of his time.

Least intelligent? Trigger (McAteer) appropriately named 😄.

05 Jan 2018 11:46:12
I'm just posting to back up Mr. Dennis on Riyad Mahrez.

He is a terrible choice for a Coutinho replacement. I appreciate he can do magical things at times, but he is so lazy it's unreal. Plus he picks and chooses when he wants to play, and if things aren't going his way he'll just sulk. Are people forgetting his attitude last season? He was quite happy to get Leicester relegated for rejecting a bid for him.

Even if we ignore his attitude, he can't play midfield or left wing. He is exclusively a second striker or a right winger. The problem there being, that Salah is exactly the same type of player, but about 3 levels above Mahrez. Salah is world class. Mahrez isn't even top class, a great player or a good player. Mahrez is decent. We might as well sign Shaquiri if we want a one game a month player!

I'll support him if he signs as i always do, but in my opinion he is a terrible replacement for Coutinho. He's just about fit to replace Daniel Sturridge, but never Coutinho.

05 Jan 2018 12:02:44
Yep. Couldn’t agree more with you. Bang average at best and blows hot and cold. But mostly cold.

05 Jan 2018 12:11:57
Mahrez was always a non starter for me, MK and Dennis. Just watch the game vs LFC last week and you will see why. He was awful the whole game and offered NO cover to a struggling Amartey. LC were under a lot of pressure partly cos they were playing 10 vs 11 with a Mahrez hologram on the pitch. Bang average player that would not make the LFC stands as our bench is not even within his reach.

05 Jan 2018 12:16:28
As a direct replacement for Coutinho no, but if him and Lemar were brought in with the Coutinho money then I would think that was great business.

Our strength in depth in attack would then be as good as anyone in Europe.

05 Jan 2018 12:17:01
I'd disagree there lads. For me he is far better than just decent. He's won a league medal which he played a massive part of and was named PFA players of the year (who was our last player to win that award or come close) . Last season he was a diva but still got 6 goals/ assists in 9 CL games. And it's not like we've not got any divas at LFC Mane, Couts and Vvd. As far as lazy goes I've never seen his running stats so I couldn't confirm or deny that. What I do agree with though is I can't see where he would play with us due to Mane and Salah already occupying the flanks. However as a winger he is way ahead of the Ox who we seem to rate as better than just decent.

05 Jan 2018 12:17:52
Were has all this Mahrez talk come from please? Is it just because he playes on the left hand side and is available? We don't have any interest do we ed?

05 Jan 2018 12:31:19
To say he is bang average is wrong, Mahrez as great talent, ok maybe you can question his attitude but not his talent he is a great player to watch on his day.

05 Jan 2018 12:38:36
It came from Graeme Kelly. Sadly, he's usually reliable.

05 Jan 2018 12:58:03
Fair play Jayden, at least you're mature enough to disagree without calling people who disagree idiots.

05 Jan 2018 13:08:59
The question is, is Mahrez capable of replacing Coutinho in the number 10 role. The answer is an emphatic no. If we were in the market for a one good game in five if he can be bothered winger, then he’d tick all the boxes.

05 Jan 2018 13:56:41
I agree Mk. It appears to some fans if you don't hold the same opinion as them it automatically makes you an idiot. Football is all about opinions.

05 Jan 2018 16:17:58
Actually Jayden, football is about kicking a ball from ones end of a pitch to the other, hoping it goes on the goal. All the rest of the stuff we do as people not on the pitch, is to escape our wives, or doing the dishes 🤣🤣.

05 Jan 2018 11:02:18
If reports are true that Can has signed a pre-contract with Juve, just wanted to say best of luck to the lad. Always gives 100% in a Liverpool shirt, has never moaned or not played due to off field issues/ rumours, has just always put his head down and got on with it. Hope he reaches his potential.

05 Jan 2018 11:15:54
He gave 100% up to this season, and at least he's not faked injury unlike a certain South American.

I'm not going to pretend Can's been playing well this season though. Just in the 2 weeks he's bottled countless challenges against Swansea, let Arsenals entire midfield run off him all game, and made a half hearted tackle which played a major part in Leicesters goal. At the start of the season we were getting mauled by Leicester, Man City and Watford and Can made no concerted effort to get into the game. I watched the 5-0 win against Swansea with my father in law and i had to calm him down after Can pulled out of the third challenge in a few minutes (he's Scottish though so it's against his religion to pull out of a tackle) .

It's a shame because Can is talented and he will be a great player one day. However, good riddance under the circumstances he's created.

05 Jan 2018 11:36:03
Exactly what circumstances Adam mate?

05 Jan 2018 11:43:45
Its a shame because he's still young and had hoped he could spend his best years with us.
What I think is going to be very strange is cheering on this fella who we all know has already signed for another club and his allegiance lies elsewhere.
Signing for new clubs on a Bosman should not be permitted until the season is over, be it foreign or domestic clubs who are intetested.

05 Jan 2018 11:59:31
The circumstance in which his form has fallen off a cliff because his effort levels have completely disappeared. It's gotten progressively worse as well. He had a few okay performances at the start of the season. Hoffenheim and Arsenal stand out. Since then he's been so bad that i wince when i see his name on the team sheet.

Early in the season he might have still been inconsistent, but that is just Emre Can to be fair. He always has been volatile performance wise. At least he was still scoring and creating goals with some neat flicks and powerful runs though. In the last 2 months however, he's been consistent; consistently terrible. It's almost embarrassing watching him walk around in midfield and shrug his arms when the opposition score as if it was nothing to do with him. He's been a passenger who has offered nothing defensively or offensively for months. The sooner his bags are packed, the better. I'd make him play in the u23's for the rest of the season to be honest. Put Matty Virtue in the first team squad instead, because i tell you now, he won't shirk any responsibilities you give him.

I follow Can on social media and nearly every post has YNWA in it. He's a snake. He's been pretending to love the club whilst secretly engineering a move away, and hiding from the ball on the pitch so he can't get blamed for results. Why people will come on here and lavish praise on the likes of Can and Coutinho, but then slaughter Firmino and Moreno is beyond me. I will always back a player who applies themself to the best of their ability, even if their best isn't that great. What i will not tolerate, is players who are Brazil and Germany internationals, playing to 50% of what they're capable of because they want to play for Juventus or Barcelona. If you don't want to play for Liverpool, get out of my sight because i don't want to look at you.

05 Jan 2018 12:25:05
MK, you have to try to separate the business side of football from the emotional side as they do not go hand in hand, IMO. Can may post whatever he likes on SM claiming this or that love for the club BUT in the end, these players are often told what to say and how to say it by their entourage so as to not get fans on their backs. Cou has done the same thing for ages now. Torres, Masche and the rest did it as well and so do other players at other clubs. Remember what Delph said about Villa and how he wanted to play there for years only to sign for City the next day? Frankly, I'm over all that nonsense cos it's words and nothing more. Also, let's not forget that Can played thru injury throughout the last 3rd of last season and Cou played thru illness at Stoke and both helped us get top 4 so a bit of perspective is needed here.

Now where I agree with you is in your last paragraph of your post which I think is bang on the money. People slam Moreno and Firmino and many others who actually WANNA BE HERE and lavish praise (sometimes blindly, IMO) on those who are off. That to me is what is like you imply, disgraceful.

05 Jan 2018 12:37:33
He's a snake? Hiding on the pitch? Secretly engineering a move away? Make him play under 23's? Liverpool supporters hate and spew vitriol at their own players like no other group of supporters do.

05 Jan 2018 12:41:42
You make some great points Brover, to be fair. I suppose his social media activity is just PR rubbish.

It still doesn't absolve him of his lack of effort though. I can't forgive that, or even just overlook it. It angers me deeply.

05 Jan 2018 12:50:56
MK, I get your point overall BUT I just think that you should not get too hung up on these things, IMO. Look, you are right that Can pulled out of a few challenges here and there BUT you have to give him credit for actually giving his all in both LC and Burnley games (tho, I thought he was decent at best in both games) where he initiated both goals and even in the 94th min at Burnley, it was his determination to get us on the front foot that caused the free kick that led to the goal. See why I don't get hung up on these things? Cos you can make an argument on either side hence, it's a wash. On to the next game, my friend.

05 Jan 2018 13:03:40
Fair point Brover. As you say though, even his better performances this year have just been decent. The Emre Can who helped drag us up to 4th in the second half of last season has disappeared off the face of the earth though and that is what has made me angry. That anger has just been amplified today by people thanking him for his professionalism when he hasn't shown any recently in my opinion.

I won't call them idiots, hypocrites, or question them as fans though. That's just there opinion, and I'm entitled to argue against it.

05 Jan 2018 15:04:31
You make a fair point as always MK, esp. with those praising him blindly which like you, I am not prepared to do. However, I propose you don't engage with name-callers cos to me, they have no other way of countering your points hence, they curse at you, an act that indicates that they have already lost the argument b4 it even began.

05 Jan 2018 10:03:20
Morning eds hope your keeping well

Just reading that emre has agreed to join juve in the summer but Liverpool are still hopeful of him signing a new contract by the end of the season.

I thought there was some sort of a contract a player signs when they have 6 months remaining on there current clubs contract.

Is it just a gentlemans agreement of sorts?

Hope my question makes sense

Dev.

{Ed002's Note - He can sign a pre-contract agreement.}

05 Jan 2018 09:53:14
Question for ed001 if around.
Why do you think klopp keeps changing goalkeepers around? No other top managers do it regularly not in big games (premiership and champions league) maybe cup fixtures. My taking is he doesn't trust any of them.

{Ed001's Note - actually that is not true, a lot of managers do it. Pep does it for one.}

05 Jan 2018 10:09:11
Chelsea always play their second choice keeper in the domestic cups. Cudicini, Begovic and now Cabellero are all examples of this.

Arsenal use Ospina in the cups.

United rotated De Gea and Romero early last season because of De Gea making at least 3 costly errors over a short period of time, and then again later in the season because of him trying to force a move.

I actually think it's quite common. The only difference is Klopp seems to rotate keepers for League games too. That is a bit unusual but i think it's just because he wants to phase Mignolet out.

05 Jan 2018 10:17:33
MK-Utd didn’t put Romero in because De Gea made costly errors it was because his head wasn’t right after trying the move to Real feel through, and it was the season before last.

05 Jan 2018 10:19:17
There is a difference though. Utd and Chelsea rest world class keepers and bring in their second choice for cups. Arsenal rest a top class keeper and City with Ederson rest what looks to be a top keeper in the making. Where as we constantly start a keeper who costs us games and if we're all honest should be nowhere near our squad. And then Karius gets thrown out of the starting 11 just as quick as he is thrown in. Apart from that no difference 😂.

05 Jan 2018 10:39:38
Great post jayden23.

05 Jan 2018 11:01:07
We get it Jayden, you don't like Mignolet. People who work with the players on a daily basis are paid to make these decisions and you whining about it constantly isn't going to change that.

05 Jan 2018 11:08:47
When it comes to the GK issue, Klopp has been the worst of the lot in the premier league. There is no logical thinking behind the rotation especially since Migs keeps getting opportunities in spite of repeated mistakes. Some say Karius is worse, some say Migs is being phased out. What a shambles!

05 Jan 2018 11:04:16
Sorry, don't mean to single you out. The Mignolet thing is boring. He's not top class but for now, he's Klopp choice. Suck it up.

05 Jan 2018 11:12:17
Wellred - what part of what Jayden just said is not correct?
I'd say he said it perfectly, to be honest.

05 Jan 2018 11:35:33
I didn't say it was incorrect, but if Karius gets taken out of the team again it is because he is not number 1. Just like the other teams, number 2 keepers make way for number 1's, and Klopp has Mignolet as his number 1 right now.

But while we're on it, the 'constantly costs us games' is a misnomer anyway. When was his previous game changing clanger before Arsenal? And any since? I'm not defending him but Cech equally messed up in that game. I've seen Ederson be dodgy several times but gets away with it because Man City's defence generally stops trouble before it gets there. Lloris is regularly in a muddle and Courtois can't hold a candle to a young Cech. The only seemingly infallible keeper at the moment is De Gea, but guess what? He still concedes.

We could do with a new keeper but people go on about it because they can't think of anything else to talk about.

I went to the shop yesterday and bought some chips, they were not the chips i went in to buy but they had sold out, and in any case the ones i bought were cheaper. I think the packaging was different too. WHO CARES? IT"S BORING!

05 Jan 2018 11:39:28
Wellred no worries. We're here to debate and banter so I didn't take it personally that you were singling me out. There's a difference between not liking a player and not rating them. I do not rate Mignolet but when he plays u want him to do well.

05 Jan 2018 11:55:19
Cobra, people have a very blinkered view on De Gea's performances last season. He has a dodgy patch most years, in fact.

De Gea Errors

I had United supporting colleagues who wanted him dropped for Romero right through October, November and December of 2016. Everyone seems to have just forgotten him dropping the ball against Stoke, or conceding direct from a Bournemouth corner. Do you remember how much stick Bogdan got for letting a corner go straight in? It ended his career 😂

De Gea has stepped it up this season and so far hasn't had is yearly bad patch (maybe he'll finally eradicate it) but he was inconsistent to say the least, last season. Maybe a lot of it was the distraction of Real Madrid? I don't know. All i know is he dropped enough clangers to get dropped. If he'd been a Liverpool keeper, we'd still be hearing about it now. The media have peddled their agenda so well though, that people genuinely believe he's better than Buffon who has made less errors in the last 15 years than De Gea has in the last 15 months, and Buffon finished 4th in the Balon D'or awards!

De Gea of this season, is world class. He's worth 20 points a season to that shocking United team, in his current form. I want to see way more consistency from him over at least 2 years though, before I'll put him above Buffon. Form is temporary. Even Oblak has been more consistent. De Gea has the best highlight reel because United are so terrible and concede so many shots.

Mignolet looked great at Sunderland because he got to make lots of saves. The true test of a top keeper, is being able to pull a top save out the bag after 85 minutes of having nothing to do. De Gea is the best in the Premier League (just ahead of Courtois for me), but football exists outside of England too.

Anyway, back to the point, most teams have two good keepers nowadays so they can rotate and have competition if one player loses form. We have Karius, but we need to replace Mignolet with some better competition. Rotating isn't the issue, the issue is Mignolet and has been since 2013. Alisson or Trapp are upgrades on Mignolet in my opinion, but I'd prefer Alisson as Trapp has struggled in Paris, despite looking awesome in Germany.

05 Jan 2018 12:00:44
Wellred. I said constantly start a keeper who costs us games which is totally different to saying constantly costs us games. If it's so boring save yourself the hassle by not reading my comments. Just think the time you save yourself you might get to the shop earlier then to buy your chips.

05 Jan 2018 11:52:26
Be nice if Mignolet was as defensive as you, Knuckles.

05 Jan 2018 12:27:29
De gea has the second most saves in the premiership 70 when I checked, I doubt we’ve conceded 70 shots on target, so he does get a lot of practice to be fair.

05 Jan 2018 12:35:16
Brilliant responses, Jayden. Wellred, Migs has been costing us games since he got here in 2013 and no, it is not a misnomer to say he constantly costs us games. It is the bleeding truth and to say that since he has not cost us for a while (debatable, really) before the Arsenal game is a false argument cos that does not soften the blow of him screwing up a routine shot I would have saved by putting my hands up instead of punching the ball into my own net (see the replay from behind the goal) .

If you think it is boring to always touch on the subject then pls, don't participate in the thread or don't respond to it BUT you simply can't tell people what they can or can't post just cos you think it's boring.

05 Jan 2018 22:02:41
I thought Mignolet was terrible tonight.

06 Jan 2018 10:03:40
Funny JT, the whole point of a debate is to defend your point of view. Your comment adds nothing.

As for not joining in or not joining in, this is the first Mignolet debate I've joined in, and that was only to initially say it's boring because I'm fed up of scrolling past pages of the same old tosh, said in a different way by the same people.

We all know we could do with a new keeper. Reading that several times a day is like it or not, boring. Sorry.

05 Jan 2018 08:52:53
Match day lads! Let's hope we can get some revenge tonight!

Looks like Mane has an outside chance of starting, and it's easy to forget he was universally regarded as our most important, if not our best player just 8 months ago.

Bobby certainly will be playing and in my opinion he's been just as good as Salah this season.

For me though, this could be a big chance for Solanke, Van Dijk and Chamberlain to endear themselves to the Liverpool fans. They will all likely feature, and a big performance in a derby game will win reds hearts, everywhere.

Good luck to all the lads in red though! Let's squash this toffee, and then scrape it off our shoe and onto the curb where it belongs!

05 Jan 2018 08:58:06
Mane is massive for us, a bad month doesn’t change anything. Plus he’s hardly been awful just a lot quieter than he has been for the last year at the club and I think Salah performing so well has put even more shade on him.

05 Jan 2018 09:11:31
8 goals and 5 assists in 19 games is a pretty solid return for a player who is out of form and unhappy. Think we overplaying and playing Dr. Phil too quickly. He just needs to find his rhythm and confidence. He'll be fine.

05 Jan 2018 09:12:35
I really can't see VVD starting tonight lad's.

05 Jan 2018 09:19:41
Mk I honestly think solanke needs bringing on either when we have a good goal cushion and we’re playing with decent amount of confidence as I think there’s to much pressure on him to open his scoring account. I’d rather we started off with Ings up front and then bring solanke on after 60/ 70 mins.

05 Jan 2018 09:24:34
Last season Mane was our best player and after not passing one ball against Everton he has apparently become one of our weakness's this season if you ask some fans. Although he hasn't hit last years form he's still been better than some players who we seem more than happy to praise after a decent performance.

05 Jan 2018 09:33:05
Good shout barry, neither can I. And to be fair, is there any real rush? . Swansea or huddersfield away could be a good time to give him a run.

05 Jan 2018 09:35:34
That's right Jayden, it doesn't ttake much to swing a fan's opinion of a player towards extreme negativity. contract talks stall. transfer talks. not passing to open player. ed1 makes a negative comment. player has resting b**ch face (d. cisse, balotelli. ) etc etc.

05 Jan 2018 10:25:54
Fair point pegleg, but he's more likely to break that drought if he's starting games. It's very rare that a players who comes off the bench after 70 minutes actually scores. 20 minutes is barely long enough to get up to the pace of the game.

I don't really mind if he's scoring or not. He is good at holding up play and bringing others into the attack, and he works hard pressing from the front. As long as he's doing that, i can have some patience with a 19 year old in terms of scoring goals. He is a real presence who occupies defenders, and that leaves space for others to score goals.

05 Jan 2018 11:17:57
Get Solanke on and get the best players around him and he'll score. Too often been part of a more experimental system. Firmino, Mane and maybe Oxlade up top with him and he's got more chance to get going.

I've a sneaky suspicion VVD will start. Klopp seemed genuinely undecided in the press conference. I think he wants to start him at least but is not sure if he'll be ready.

05 Jan 2018 00:36:16
Just wondering if Coutinho will be let go in January Ed's without us signing a replacement/ similar player in Jan? Would we let him go now if say we'd a deal in place for the Summer for say Lemar/ Pulisic/ another etc etc. it would seem risky given Mane's, Lallanas etc injury records.

Also if/ when Coutinho goes do you expect Firmino to become unsettled at all? (Lucas also gone, Moreno only just coming into the fold again) . He is, for me at least, our most influential and consistent player.

{Ed001's Note - if Barca pay enough he will go regardless of a replacement and it will have no effect on Firmino.}

05 Jan 2018 07:48:10
ED001, what do you think will happen if Barcelona don't pay enough. Will we bite the bullet and accept a lower offer or will we stick to our guns and not budge on our valuation?

{Ed001's Note - if Barca don't offer enough then we will be stuck with an unhappy player who doesn't want to play for us.}

05 Jan 2018 08:02:01
Dont you think it will be disaster ed if we dint replace ed?

{Ed001's Note - why would it be? Our results this season have been excellent without him, better than with him.}

05 Jan 2018 08:02:24
Thank you. Ed001 are there anymore clubs who are interested in Phil apart from Barca, who may be willing to match our valuation?

{Ed001's Note - yes, no.}

05 Jan 2018 08:17:08
If he leaves and we can't get a replacement, i suppose it's a chance for Woodburn to step up earlier than expected. They don't call him "The Prince of Wales" for nothing 😂

I do think it's important to replace a player who's been directly involved in 21 goals this season though. I'm not sure we'd miss him results wise, as statistically we're just as good without him. Probably because we're a more balanced side when he doesn't play. However, we'll miss his magic at times. Would the Swansea game have been so relaxing to watch if he hadn't scored a worldy inside the first 10 minutes? Probably not. I think we'd have won anyway, but Coutinho brings an entertainment factor and ultimately, we all watch football to be entertained. Maybe it is a results business to some, but i still like watching world class players do amazing things.

For that reason alone, i think Coutinho should be replaced. Lemar, Insigne, Dybala, Koke, Asensio, Hazard, Silva etc. No doubt most of them are totally unrealistic, but that is the level of player that is required in this situation.

05 Jan 2018 08:50:50
It’s a real dilemma for FSG Ed001.

Whilst we don’t want Couthino at the club, we can’t afford to be bullied by Barcelona, if they want him that badly they have to pay up imo.

I agree, we’ve also played well without him and won more games.

{Ed001's Note - I don't see much of a dilemma, they just have to get as much as possible for him and get rid.}

05 Jan 2018 09:39:05
Cant see what the issues is get rid of coutinho as quick as possible and get someone in who will earn his wages in the correct manner on and off the pitch.

05 Jan 2018 09:39:26
Woodburn possibly off to Sunderland on loan MK.

05 Jan 2018 09:59:52
Liverpool bending over for another club to take yet another top player from us, there's a good reason we've 1 miserly league cup in 11 years, and yes he wants out, so what, he gets his move when we have an adequate replacement, not the cheap crap we've been replacing top players with for 10 years, we've a lot of important games coming up, and his goals and assists have proven he'll do his job when push comes to shove, esp in a wc year.

{Ed001's Note - selling him for the right price is nothing to do with signing an adequate replacement. It is that kind of mixed up thinking which will put us in more of a mess. You do not keep hold of whiny players who want out unless you want to end up in the mess Southampton have got in by trying to do so in the last couple of years. Team spirit is the most important thing in football, it is why Leicester shocked the world with a title win that was beyond all expectations and the holding on to unhappy players is why they ended up in a mess straight afterwards.}

05 Jan 2018 10:03:46
"Cant see what the issues is get rid of coutinho as quick as possible and get someone in who will earn his wages in the correct manner on and off the pitch. "

Like replacements for Coutinho grow on trees or can be bought in supermarkets.

05 Jan 2018 11:50:51
Team spirit will only get us so far, no matter who was in charge we were always able to pick up trophies along the way, that's has stopped because you need quality compete with Chelsea city Utd etc, we have Barcelona players making a mockery of us in the press, Nike advertising his jersey on Barcelona website, but not a word from us? Even Shalke boss has came out criticising bayern for commenting on their player who's leaving for free in the summer, but not a word from our gutless spineless top brass? We have klopp lying because a guy on 160K a week refuses to play, while I budget my money so I can go cheer these guys on, totally disillusioned by our club.

05 Jan 2018 12:44:01
Disagree, Pot red. Money does not get you everything. Team spirit is crucial and just as crcial as money is cos we have seen what money w/ o team spirit can do to teams while we have seen what team spirit w/ o money can also do. See Istanbul. Ed is correct. Klopp ran a tight ship at BVB and it was their ability to fight for each other thru thick and thin that made them the joy they were and won trophies NO ONE thought they could.

Obviously, things have changed and you now need money to compete BUT Klopp should never sacrifice that team ethic notion of his cos that is fundamentally who we are now. If you are not part of the team and willing to sacrifice for the cause or are a troublemaker then off you go. Ask Sahko, Benteke and now Cou. The team should ALWAYS come first, IMO.

06 Jan 2018 09:57:47
So far we have echo too much about unhappy players who do not want to play for us. I say stop saying it. We are playing into hands of agents.

05 Jan 2018 01:57:43
Any chance we can get a Macca update? 🙏🏻.

05 Jan 2018 11:28:06
“Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east. " Macca Jan 5th 2017z.

05 Jan 2018 00:20:37
port red, we still had a fit sturridge plus we still retained the style of play. After suarez was sold, we went to a horrid back 3 with sterling as sole striker who was awful.