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08 Jan 2019 10:57:45
One for Ed001 and Ed002 if possible. I see that Godin is potentially being touted for Man Utd.

Do we hold any interest at all? Given his age and experience, do you think he would be a good choice to rotate with VVD and Gomez? I would expect Lovren to make way.

Is the fee being asked for him high in this market (ie >€30m) or less than that? I'm not sure of his contract situation.

Thanks

Z.

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - I don't know of any interest from us and I have no idea what price is being asked sorry. I am a bit out of touch at the moment.}


1.) 08 Jan 2019 11:56:06
Thanks Tris. I know you’ve been a fan of Godin’s. In your view, would he be a good addition for us, even at 32? Would he work well with VVD and Gomez given their relative speed?

{Ed001's Note - I love Godin and training with Gomez and VVD would be great for them to learn the dark arts of defending, as Godin is the master of them in the modern game. However he is not really suited to our style of play on the pitch, so, much as I love him, it would maybe not be as good a signing as it would seem on the face of it. Moving to a higher paced league at the age of 32 would be difficult enough for him, without asking him to play 15 yards further up the pitch than he usually does.}


2.) 08 Jan 2019 12:25:48
Sorry, forgot to add, whether you think we need another CB at the expense of Lovren and/ or Matip? The way I see it we now have a very good squad and just need to tweak round the edges to ensure the replacements for our first 11 a) can play in the same way to allow for better integration (not like Sturridge for example) and b) are of a slightly better quality than some we have.

To find very good players who are happy with rotation, in my view you either go for players are the start or end of their careers.

{Ed025's Note - the problem is zed that you dont have "a very good squad", you have a very good first team but i think yesterday showed that the squad is just about how weak as it can get mate, just my view of course..


3.) 08 Jan 2019 12:41:04
Thanks Tris. He sounds like one to keep tabs on and nab in a few years time when he moves into coaching!


4.) 08 Jan 2019 13:03:52
This squad we have is good when we don't have to use them. On paper it's solid but in action it's atrocious!


5.) 08 Jan 2019 13:04:22
P. s. I think our first team is outstanding, not “very good” 😉.


6.) 08 Jan 2019 13:03:39
I take your point Ed025, but the team yesterday wasn’t a team we would put out in the premiership. The Man City team, for example, was an adult lot of regular starters. Maybe very good is pushing it, and we definitely don’t have 2 players for each position. I honestly think our biggest issue is having 3 other attackers in the same mould as our regular 3. Sturridge and Origi play a different type of game which unbalanced the rest of the team too. I have high hopes for Brewster, especially as he had been modelling himself on Bobby, and would like to see how well Kent could do back in our team, not forgetting Woodburn too. However, I suspect we will see Origi and Studge gone by the summer and at least one new player brought in. Would still love for that to be Fekir.


7.) 08 Jan 2019 16:18:09
Top and bottom is first 15 are quality the rest are bang average.


8.) 08 Jan 2019 18:35:36
GOALKEEPERS

Alisson/ Mignolet --- Ederson/ Bravo

DEFENDERS

A. Arnold/ Camacho/ --- Walker/ Danilo
Robertson/ Moreno --- Mendy/ Zinchenko
VanDijk/ Matip --- Stones/ Otamendi
Lovren/ Gomez --- Laporte/ Kompany

MIDDLEFIELDERS

Henderson/ Fabinho --- Fernandinho/ Delph
Milner/ Keita --- DeBruyne/ Gundogan
Wijnaldum/ Chamberlain --- D. Silva/ Foden

FORWARDS

Salah/ Shaqiri --- Sterling/ B. Silva
Mane/ Lallana --- Sane/ Mahrez
Firmino/ Sturridge --- Aguero/ G. Jesus

We have nice depth.

{Ed025's Note - kidding yourself mate..


9.) 08 Jan 2019 17:35:38
I think the problem is that we have about 15 players who have been fully integrated into the Klopp playing style. Some of the others are good to very good players who can't/ won't play the way we need them to (Sturridge, Origi, Moreno) and we need to address this. The squad is a good size but not all of them are a good fit for how we play.


10.) 08 Jan 2019 19:14:34
Based on last night's performance Moreno, Sturridge and Origi should have played their last game for LFC. I would rather the youngsters given the chance than play those 3 bafoons. I have never seen such a lack of effort from Sturridge, Moreno is just a terrible player, how he has got to such a high standard is beyond me. He makes Djimi Traore look good and Origi is just a headless chicken. The sooner those 3 are booted out the better.


11.) 08 Jan 2019 19:57:26
Ed025 no offence but we are top of the league. I like you a lot but I'm afraid to say our squad is rubbish is a regretful comment.

{Ed025's Note - your first team is great hessle and i would suggest even better than city,s, i never called them rubbish mate i called them weak and i stand by that, you may get away with it and win the league anyway...but if you get injuries to 1 or 2 key players it could easily go tits up as i dont think you have the quality of back up that the likes of city have, just an opinion of course..


12.) 08 Jan 2019 21:48:56
Completely agree ed025.

Our squad depth is on paper full. Yes we have a lot of players. But good squad depth is when a player can come in to replace a player and the team play a similar style, the way City have it setup they’ve got exactly that.

We take off mane or Salah we bring on someone with half the pace and not the same energy levels to press in Sturridge, Lallana or Origi. City take off sane or sterling and they bring on Mahrez pretty much the same type of player.

We are along way from having the squad depth to play the same style of play our first team play let alone level and that was clear to see on Monday.

{Ed025's Note - your right jordz, and thats what i have been trying to explain mate..


13.) 08 Jan 2019 23:59:05
Defo still need more signing for the bench. Players have to leave of course.


14.) 09 Jan 2019 00:21:08
I think you Ed, like a lot of other rival fans look at a game last night and try to use it to have a sly dig when you know the truth really.
Fact is our squad is very good. If you take out 10 of any teams best 11 and replace them with a mixture of squad players and development players they would struggle to beat a full strength premier league team away from home.
You are never going to have to play that many squad players and kids at the same time in a game that actually means something.
You might be missing 2 or 3 first team players at any one time and we have more than enough to cover that in most positions. Of course there are players that are world class that we’d miss like VVD, Alisson or Salah so if they were all missing at the same time we’d suffer but not anywhere near as badly as you’re trying to make out.
Wishful thinking on your part I’m afraid mate.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know why you think i would wish that bobby..


15.) 09 Jan 2019 14:38:55
Bit of Ed25 bashing here! He is right, look at Liverpool's last 2 season's they have shown they are capable of only challenging on 1 front, not 2 or 3. Last season - UCL was the focus. This season - the prem, and they've done very well at different times.

I'd say we have maybe 8 "top" players IMO (Salah, Mane, Bobby, Alisson, VVD, Robbo, Gini + Fabinho) 8 "good" players (Hendo, Gomez, TAA, Keita, Shaqiri, Milner, Ox, Lovren) . The rest are average, very young, or terrible (not naming any names! )

16 top/ good players (when all are fit) does not make a good squad!

The last two years have seen a great improvement, but still a long way to go. Squads are built not bought! (Unless you are City! )


16.) 09 Jan 2019 20:05:42
I hate the argument that if you lose your best 1 or 2 players you are not as strong. that is as obvious as saying snow is white.
If any team lost VVD or Salah or Allison they would be severely weakened.
Monday was stupidity not lack of depth. it was reserves it was a load of kids away at a strong PL Team. and they lost 2.1.
Klopp put 1 or 2 other in, we win.

{Ed002's Note - It is more a matter of refraction. Snow is actually not unliske sugar, a pale transluscent violet.}


17.) 09 Jan 2019 20:18:07
If we were honest the only position we have any decent cover is in midfield where we play 3 players, and have Henderson, Milner, Gini, Shaq, Fabinho, Keita, Lallana and Ox (when fit) .

Our goalkeeper cover is Mignolet so I will leave it at that.
Defence cover includes Matip, Lovren and Moreno
Forward cover Sturridge, Origi
I would even say Uniteds bench is often better than ours. Let alone City’s.


18.) 11 Jan 2019 06:07:53
Same as polar bears, their fleece isn't actually white, it just reflects the colors around them.


 

 

01 Aug 2018 00:05:47
Barca apparently also interested in Migs for around £12.5m according to Sly.

To replace Cillessen, who's heading out.

Besiktas still also interested.

Will be enlightening to see if Migs wants game time or bench trophies.

Zeddicus

1.) 01 Aug 2018 01:57:53
Why does it have to be those options? I think its sad how we try to analyze athletes decisions these days.


2.) 01 Aug 2018 06:15:37
No one else seems to be in for Mignolet as a first choice. So I guess if he's going to No 2 somewhere, Barcelona is probably not a bad place to go - almost certain trophies, nice place to live, being reunited with ex-Liverpool teammates :-), etc.


3.) 01 Aug 2018 06:33:14
He will also get game time at Barcelona, he will play all the Copa Del Rey games and maybe even the champions league games. And as you say more than likely win trophies and live in a fantastic city. He won’t even make our bench next season so let’s just be happy for the guy and hope the move happens.


4.) 01 Aug 2018 07:16:12
Zed, not a huge fan of what you're implying there. Going to Barcelona, even as a back up, is a big deal and something to be proud of.


5.) 01 Aug 2018 07:24:38
I completely get where axed is coming from here guys. Word is that Migs wants out of lfc due to not being no1 - so how would going to Barcelona solve that?

And Putney it’s says a lot of a career highlight would be barely playing (if at all) for Barca.

He’s good enough to play for a mid table/ just below prem team. He’ll get good wages and actually play.


6.) 01 Aug 2018 07:34:13
Agreed 87.


7.) 01 Aug 2018 08:36:00
Just to clarify, Barcelona are a great team, but as 87 said, if Karius leaves, which I suspect he will, then Migs would be swapping our bench for Barca’s. Doesn’t make much sense.

He is good enough for other teams, especially more defensive ones, so if his complaint is lack of playing time, surely you’d expect to see him join one of those, either here or overseas, rather than warming Barca’s bench and getting the odd run out.


8.) 01 Aug 2018 08:37:30
Amazing how no one has mentioned money. Maybe he will get a big signing on fee and whopping weekly wages guaranteed for four or five years.

This could set him up for life to live in one of the most fantastic cities in the world. Doesn’t sound that bad to me. And maybe he’s happy to be second fiddle to achieve this.

Good luck to him - wish I had that type of luck!


9.) 01 Aug 2018 08:52:46
If he was going to a standard team to sit on the bench i would question it, but it IS Barcelona, not many people get the chance to play for them, so i wouldn't criticise him for going there.


10.) 01 Aug 2018 09:05:45
I think you’re all missing the point. It’s up to Mignolet where he chooses to go. If he decides to go to Barcelona that’s up to him and all you’re doing is second guessing his reasons why. He’ll have his own reason for going to the team he does (if he does leave), there’s no way we can know for sure what they are.


11.) 01 Aug 2018 09:08:19
I’m not criticising him if he goes to Barca. Just pointing out it’s contrary to his apparent unhappiness of being a bench player.


12.) 01 Aug 2018 09:28:07
I'm with 87Red here, also not criticising, but does appear odd if his aim is 1st team starts.


13.) 01 Aug 2018 13:26:55
I think ya'll are playing a bit to much couch psychologist. If you have a chance to go to Barca, then go. It's ok to change your mind when you have new information.


14.) 01 Aug 2018 14:07:55
Have to say, the abuse and lack of respect reserved for our keepers is the one thing that has made me uncomfortable about being a Liverpool supporter over the last few years.

The (Kop lead) jeering and ironic cheers that could be heard in Anfield when both Karius and Migs were struggling was nothing short of shameful. I hope to God that Alisson doesn't start off poorly for us because the pressure we put our own keepers under will only end up one way.

I wish Migs all the best wherever he goes. Like every other Red who wore the jersey with honesty and sincerity, I hope he only gets better and regains the form that made us buy him in the first place.


15.) 01 Aug 2018 17:27:08
If I was Mignolet I’d go to Barca. Might not play as much, but medals make up for that. Plus with the political situation in Turkey it’s hardly the safest place in the world.


16.) 01 Aug 2018 22:29:58
Dudek did the same at Madrid. Had a decent career for them playing second fiddle. No shame in it imho.


17.) 02 Aug 2018 10:00:27
The other thing you have to remember is that there’s the chance of playing alongside some of the best players in the world and in Messi one of the greatest players to have graced the game, who would not want an opportunity for that. Also maybe the Barcelona fans might not give him grief constantly and with a different goalkeeping coach he may actually improve. Most Liverpool fans don’t want him at the club then bitch and moan when it looks like a move may happen. Best of luck to him I say.


 

 

25 Jul 2018 09:19:54
Sheyi Ojo is linked with moves to either Nottingham Forest or Reading, according to The Echo. Forest apparently interested in a £10m purchase, Reading interested in a loan.

The source of the story (Googling it and looking for the oldest news article) seems to be The S*n so not sure on accuracy. For obvious reasons, I didn't click through to the original story.

Chiravella also appears to be linked with Forest, although The Echo says they are unlikely to move now they have Colback on loan again for the season.

Both of them are 21, both have been highly thought of, and both are of an age where they should be getting starts in the first team (at least for cup games) if they have a longer term future at the club.

I wonder if other, younger, players have overtaken them in the pecking order and therefore a move (even permanent) is probably best for their careers?

Zeddicus

1.) 25 Jul 2018 09:53:53
Yeah Chirivella in particular is never realistically gong to break into the team, so may as well get him a good move and a few bob for our troubles. I like Ojo as a player and think he's got potential but needs to find consistency and won't get the game time at Liverpool. Really now with Shaqiri there is little room for Ojo, especially considering we've got Camacho and Adekanye coming through and of course Wilson out on loan. I'd take 10 million pounds for Ojo in a heartbeat. Pity I don't own him, though.


2.) 25 Jul 2018 12:16:02
I’d snap their hands off for 10m.


3.) 25 Jul 2018 12:43:22
Annoying when you start reading a story and halfway through you see that rag is the original source.

I just instantly stop reading it and couldn't be bothered what the rest says.


4.) 25 Jul 2018 14:13:20
Agreed Irish I once saw a homeless man sitting on a copy of the sun, I immediately took it off him and binned it! Before I replaced it with the daily mirror.


5.) 25 Jul 2018 14:34:15
To be fair, Irish, I did try to reference it as soon as possible!


 

 

18 Jul 2018 16:06:51
Sky Italia (reported via Sky Sports) now saying the whole deal has been agreed with Alisson and Roma, including transfer fee/ payments, and a 5 year contract with Alisson.

He is due to fly to Liverpool in the next day or so for a medical which is the last O/ S thing.

Watch out for ACL twitches ;-)

Hailstones, this is going to happen, I suggest you tell your lady that you will be moving out!

Zeddicus

1.) 18 Jul 2018 16:16:01
The two most dreaded words in the English language - Liverpool Medical!


2.) 18 Jul 2018 16:27:00
I'm getting Loic Remy flashbacks.


3.) 18 Jul 2018 16:27:17
Jurgen is a legend just gets better. He knows what’s required to challenge. Come on reds no excuses now.


4.) 18 Jul 2018 16:36:38
Hailstones remember. dibs😆.


5.) 18 Jul 2018 16:42:38
As hailstones originally offered his house and wife on my post I think it’s only fair I spend a week in it, (his wife I mean) 😉.


6.) 18 Jul 2018 17:24:25
1985mikey hats off to your comment👏👏.


7.) 18 Jul 2018 17:08:05
Not confirmed by club or the Ed’s so I would cool your engines.


8.) 18 Jul 2018 17:49:30
Turn on your telly bobby, about to jump on a plane to the Pool! No Ed confirmation needed. Now onto Nabil.


9.) 18 Jul 2018 17:49:57
I doubt there will be any problems from here on in. Medical and Bob is your uncle.

Like Ed002 said, not many clubs that are willing to agree on the fee we have for Alisson.

All roads lead to Anfield.


10.) 18 Jul 2018 17:52:35
Get a grip man only lfc know what's happening. Appears sky got this spot on.


11.) 18 Jul 2018 18:16:49
Can’t believe you went there Mikey haha.


12.) 18 Jul 2018 18:21:36
Hailstones I take it you have a pair of slippers rather than pack my own need the room in my bag for the gear your missus has requested, kinky girl.


13.) 18 Jul 2018 18:50:17
Hahahaha she is waiting at the front door with domanatrix gear on with the front door keys in her teeth lads, honest!


14.) 18 Jul 2018 18:53:16
I bet my house and bird we don't sign fekir! , good omen saying that haha.


15.) 18 Jul 2018 19:18:36
Lmao hailstones xD
Now the 2nd house and mistress is up for grabs? Damn haha.


 

 

18 Jul 2018 11:09:16
Just reading on t'internet that, according to Matteo De Santis who works for La Stampa, a fee has been agreed between Liverpool and Roma for Mr Becker - €65m + €10m in bonuses - so pretty much the figure Roma wanted.

Its being reported on the Echo (sorry! ) site in their live stream of the day's activities.

Zeddicus

1.) 18 Jul 2018 11:22:26
SKY Sources in Italy: The €75m deal of Alisson Becker to #LFC is near completion. [DiMarzio].


2.) 18 Jul 2018 11:50:29
Melissa Reddy confirming it.


3.) 18 Jul 2018 12:36:13
Fee has been agreed lads! Wow.


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2019 09:41:29
One for Ed001. Have you done a player profile on Joe Gomez recently?

I'm very pleased with how he is developing as a CB and learning from big Virg. However, I remember he had a couple of shaky moments at RB last season, especially with balls coming in over his shoulder. You mentioned at the time that its all part of the footballing education, but I'd really appreciate your views on whether he has managed to eradicate that fom his game.

The context, for me, is that a lot of posters are pushing for Gomez to cover the RB slot whilst Trent is injured, whereas I'm a little uncertain of that for 2 reasons. Firstly, my concern as above on the positional issues potentially arising again, and secondly he has developed such a great partnership with Virg and I would rather re-establish that partnership when he is fit again than have a sub-optimal partnership in the middle just to be able to shift him out to the right.

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - I don't remember ever doing a player profile on him at all to be honest Zed. Doesn't mean I haven't done one but it does make it likely I haven't recently so I have added him to the list.}


1.) 16 Jan 2019 09:57:29
Thanks mate, look forward to the read.

{Ed001's Note - I had better start getting through the list then so you can read it!}


2.) 16 Jan 2019 10:19:40
I agree - play him CB and let Milner or Fabinho cover at RB who are arguably just as good there if not better. By comparison at CB, he is excellent and gives us pace, passing ability, and makes less mistakes than either Lovren or Matip.


3.) 16 Jan 2019 10:24:03
*cracks the whip*.


4.) 16 Jan 2019 11:33:25
But the Fabinho has been so good in the two man midfield. Its not an easy decision.


5.) 16 Jan 2019 12:55:58
Agreed. Although, we won a number of games this season when Fab wasn’t in midfield. In fact, we won when he was on the bench.


6.) 16 Jan 2019 18:37:36
I think Ed did one on Gomez, if I'm not mistaken or aybe I am.


7.) 16 Jan 2019 21:56:23
Thanks for that confirmation, RedWolf 🤷‍♂️😂😂.


 

 

07 Jan 2019 20:24:27
Why do I think we may well answer Ed001's prayers and end up with Godin by the end of the window?

Just a hunch!

Zeddicus

1.) 07 Jan 2019 20:32:35
Absolutely ridiculous team. The youngsters have been poor, their passes too soft and where the f@@k is camancho?

It's not the league cup it's the FA Cup. Klopp doesn't respect the FA Cup, fair enough, it is an English tradition but this is embarrassing. We are top of the league but look like a league 1 side.


2.) 07 Jan 2019 20:43:19
"The youngsters have been poor"

Are you kidding me? We've got a midfielder playing CB alongside a 16yr old. A RB making his debut who has only been a RB for this season and a 17yr old midfielder making his debut. What do you expect from these players?

For me the players who should be hounded for that first half are Sturridge, who is just awful, he can't control the ball, pass the ball, get into good positions or run, and Origi who looks like he couldn't care less.

Lay off the youngsters, they will not be perfect at 16/ 17/ 18 years old, but acting like they should be will just lead to them being kept out of the firing line of so called "supporters" and stifle their development.


3.) 07 Jan 2019 20:43:34
No need to have a go at the youngsters, they've been perfectly fine. Its the senior players who have looked poor and need to step up, there's been a lack of service but I've been shocked by how lazy Sturridge and Origi have been.


4.) 07 Jan 2019 20:44:08
Hoever's done fairly well considering the circumstances. Jones hasn't been able to get in the game. His movement could maybe be better, but I'm not going to blame a kid because the team can't get past the halfway line. Camacho looks like what he is - a winger/ forward playing as a right back.

The fringe senior players have worried me more.


5.) 07 Jan 2019 20:46:22
Sturridge is the one who needs to be slated, strolling around the pitch. Don’t think Origi and Sturridge have string one pass together.

I think the youngsters have some ok, better than some of the seniors!


6.) 07 Jan 2019 21:02:03
I used to love Danny sturridge. But he isn't even running.


7.) 07 Jan 2019 21:35:28
Erm, how did my post turn into a rant about teenagers?!?

From the text commentary it sounds like the senior fringe players who deserve a talking to not the kids!


8.) 07 Jan 2019 21:36:56
Agree lay off the youngsters some players on there on 50-120k a week for that lacklustre performance. Yes Camacho was out of position a few times but least he ran a little. More than some senior players.


9.) 07 Jan 2019 21:44:39
Robbiesline - exactly whic youngsters were poor? I thought Camacho played well. I thought Hoever has a great game considering he was partnering someone who isn't even a central defender. I thought that Jones looked good with the ball, but could go missing at times, especially if we didn't have the ball. All in all, a decent showing from the young lads.


10.) 07 Jan 2019 21:45:49
Fair play to the youngsters. Played much better in the second half. The CB looks good, kinda feels a bit like when Owen came though, he is going to be class.

Alison would have saved that 2nd goal. Klopp won't be that gutted that we are out, and come the end of the season when we win the league, we will be pleased.

Would've been nice to have another big final though.


11.) 07 Jan 2019 21:54:39
Anyone who's having a go at the youngsters is an idiot. What we've seen today is what we've forgotten because of all the recent success. Certain players like Mignolet, Moreno (and Lovren) are an accident waiting to happen. Sturridge only contribution was to get the free kick. Keita is too wayward with passes.

On the plus side I think Fabinho did OK as a CB. The young guys will learn but they need to be surrounded by players who can think so they don't develop bad habits. If the only thing we do from today is move some players on it will have been worth it.


12.) 07 Jan 2019 21:51:45
Camacho had a decent game, Hoever was excellent. The players who let us down were Mignolet (as always), Moreno, Sturridge and Milner. Mignolet was at fault for both goals. First one he makes himself small and turns away from the shot and the second he was in an awful starting position.


13.) 07 Jan 2019 21:52:00
Robbbiesline laying into the youngsters, stay classy!


14.) 07 Jan 2019 21:52:12
On that performance sturridge wouldn't get a contract sweeping the floors and he's looking for an extension on his contract. He didn't even want to be there, Id say he didn't break sweat. 6 MONTHS left on his contract and he's looking for a new club he wouldn't make league 1 on that performance.


15.) 07 Jan 2019 21:52:55
Disappointing but honestly, I would rather rest our first time today and focus 100% on the league! Youngsters got game time and understand the level required in the future, Kind of wish we have kent, wilson and woody though. The senior players are the ones who need to look at themselves!

But like I said I don't mind us being out of the FA cup when we have the league to win! Should of we gone further and it ended up with us then getting a bad injury to someone like bobby and it came back to bite us then there's that :/.


16.) 07 Jan 2019 21:59:15
I really disagree with that selection and it disappoints me how little some managers think of the FA Cup, but I know fans are split over it. Brighton is now a massive game, losing becomes a habit just like winning and lose that and our season could unravel.


17.) 07 Jan 2019 22:00:44
when we play the kids, sometimes I feel like it'd be better to trot out the full U23 team instead of mixing them in with the seniors lol at least they'll have chemistry.

anyways, didn't watch the game. was hoping we'd win so there'd be more opportunities for the fringe and youth players and also a cup run is always nice!


18.) 07 Jan 2019 22:05:29
I was irritated by the performance especially with our seasoned players. Please Keita come good for us! But we move on and focus on League and CL. Be thankful you won’t be seeing Moreno, Studge or Migs again this season.


19.) 07 Jan 2019 22:26:42
Hey Robbiesline, that is bang out of order, man. How dare you criticize these young lads for making mistakes? What were you expecting exactly from them? To be Lionel Messi during their debut vs a very good PL team who played 9 out of their 11 starters? Behave, my friend. I propose you save your ire for the likes of Moreno, Shaq and esp. Studge who showed NO bottle, NO leadership, and no spine to help these kids out. They left them to fend for themselves and we all found out that these kids did not hide like cowards the same way these "senior players" did. Had these players showed as much bottle as Ki-Jana Hoever (for example) did winning the ball from deep and getting us on the move with a 50 yard slalom, maybe we would have gotten at least a replay. Whind your neck in, man. You're embarrassing yourself.


20.) 07 Jan 2019 22:29:43
I didn't lay into the youngsters, I laid into the selection. In the first half we only had two or three players defending. Camancho and moreno were too far up the pitch.

Listen, don't get lary about it. They are footballers and I am entitled to analyse their performance. They may be kids but they still earn in a week what I earn in 8 months.

And if I am allowed to analyse the youngsters; the CB was really good, really, really good. I found myself thinking "gomez may lose his place"

The RB got bullied and was passed far too easily and in the first half he was further up the pitch than origi and sturridge, so when wolves broke they done a LFC17/ 18 on us. Fair play to them, realy good team. He showed flashes of his ability though. Moreno was just as guilty as camancho.

Curtis Jones had some confidence on the ball but his passing was too soft and it slowed our moves down.

They all definitely have a future. All good players playing against experienced internationals.

When you become a footballer you are becoming a man. It's not a boys game is it? Sorry if I caused offence. It wasn't meant to be a knocking, I just thought the team was way too weak to face this very tidy wolves team. We had a lot of other options, senior players, experienced players

It's not just the young lads I was chatting about.

Migs was poor
Moreno was poor
And in the first half camancho was not up to scratch.
They played much better in the second half
Fab is not a real CB. He did okay but was too rash for their first goal. Sold himself.
Sturridge was absolutely awful
Origi was also poor in the first half and tbh, apart from his goal he did naff all

We looked a different team with Firmino. If he had come on at half time I think we would have won it.

And Keita wasn't great either. How did he miss that pass to salah, mo would have slotted that home, bread and butter.


21.) 07 Jan 2019 23:13:49
Hopefully Sturridge's contract will not be renewed and he will be shown the door. It's one thing being injury prone, maybe that can't be helped. But there was a serious lack of effort from him tonight.


22.) 07 Jan 2019 23:46:11
i actually think it's the senior players letting them down. I

Studge looks like he can't be arsed, neither forward giving any options. Shaq and Kieta can't get into the game, it's passing them by. Moreno jumping out of tackles. Hoever hasn't done too bad considering and all Camacho has done is shown he is inexperienced at right back.


23.) 07 Jan 2019 23:52:47
I'm not having a go at the kids. Its good to see them play and to be fair the young centre back has been okay.

But it's the selection I'm questioning. This is a big chance for a trophy and we are throwing it away. We look really vulnerable and the youngsters are getting bullied. We don't usually, we normally look strong and almost invincible. Moreno too, where are the full backs? Playing too far up the pitch.

Sorry for knocking the kids but you have to admit, this is one of the poorest performances we have seen this season. Too many changes.


24.) 08 Jan 2019 00:43:15
Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Keita, all had a chance to impress tonight but none did. On top of that experienced players who are supposed to nurse the youngsters through these games were the ones showing a terrible lack of composure. Milner/ Mr Reliable gave the ball away far too cheaply first half which in turn adds to the pressure the kids are under.

I was impressed by the youngsters at times and I’ve disagreed when people have said we need someone who can play across the front line to challenge/ cover for the front 3 but on tonight’s evidence I was wrong. This team have evolved under Klopp and I’m afraid Sturridge and Origi can not and should not be the only experienced cover we have.


25.) 08 Jan 2019 02:41:41
So you are not knocking thr kids just the fact that they played? Perhaps we should have played VVD, Robertson, Firmino and Salah, let’s just run these players into the ground, footballers don’t get tired do they!


26.) 08 Jan 2019 18:13:30
Robbie if that is your grief then your beef is with Klopp and NOT those of them who played. It is that simple. The players DON'T pick themselves. If you wanted Klopp to pick a better lineup or strongerlineup then that is your opinion, one which I disagree with cos Had Klopp played say VVD and he pulled up instead of Lovren then pretty sure you would be howling at the moon.

Also, what were you expecting from a make-shift team that was only put together in a few days made up of young players and fringe players with NO rhythm nor game time? That they play like the regulars? Sorry, that is nonsense and an impossible task. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Klopp did what he thought was best esp. with big games coming up and you are free to disagree with him on the substance of the topic or about the senior players who were poor (I agree here) BUT you laying into the kids just cos you are pissed at Klopp, is STILL unacceptable and bang out of order. Cheers, man.


 

 

30 Dec 2018 14:26:12
Sod all this "one game at a time" malarkey 😂

It's been so long and we're going to win the league - what a fantastic feeling!

It's coming home 😊.

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1.) 30 Dec 2018 17:24:16
As a non-englishmen can I request that the phrase "It's coming home" be as far removed from Liverpool as possible!


 

 

11 Dec 2018 13:30:24
I caught an interesting and frustrating debate on 5Live last night just before the Everton-Watford game focusing on the Phil Foden news and whether its better for him to go on loan and gain more minutes or stay at City and train with superb players and coaches, but get less minutes.

Fantastic insights by guest Nedum Onouha who was in a similar situation in the early/ mid 00s when he made his debut for City aged 17.

What was frustrating was that one of the commentators was adamant that Foden should go on loan to get minutes, whereas Nedum and the other presenter were trying to put forward the balance of the experience Foden could gain learning from Silva and De Bruyne on the training field and also working under Guardiola day in day out.

For me, I really think it comes down to the players. Kane, for example, benefited from time on loan. Also, there's a real threat of burnout if kids play too much. I fear a little for Trent, although trust Klopp and his team to manage him correctly.

Look at people like Judas and God. Both had played over 50 competitive games at the highest level before the age of 20, and both suffered later in their careers with injuries. Flip side is someone like Milner. He's played 30+ games a season since 2003-04 when he was 17/ 18. Not really had significant injury absence.

I'd be interested in other views on both keep/ integrate (with less playing time) vs send on loan for more playing time, especially with regard to our emerging youngsters. And also does anyone else fear for burnout in our current first team youngsters like TAA and Joe? Remember, we've got another starlet in Brewster yet to come.

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - burnout was not the issue with either God or Owen. It was lifestyle. They both spent too little time on their recovery after games, that is why they picked up injuries and those injuries are what cut short their career.}


1.) 11 Dec 2018 16:18:29
To be honest, you can try and make an educated guess at what is best for them, but it really is all down to the players themselves. If they do enough on the training pitch then they will get picked. If they take on board enough from their loans or from training with the first team, they will get picked. There are pro’s and cons to both. If you work hard enough for it you will get it. I mean look at Ibe; tipped for greatness, had the benefit of going out on loan and having a shot with the first team, and none of it got him anywhere. I do think Foden is a special case though, its hard to think of a more unsympathetic club to youth players, he needs to go to somewhere in mid-table and show what he can do i think.


2.) 11 Dec 2018 17:04:49
They need to play in matches against players who are more experienced. Look at Jayden Sancho - what an example that lad is 👍.


3.) 11 Dec 2018 17:49:58
Fair enough Ed001, didn't know that about them. I guess you just have to look towards CR7 (or indeed JM7!) to see players who have been playing at the highest level since their teens and yet still competing against and bettering kids into their 30s.

{Ed001's Note - I think Mane and Keita will be the same, when Keita joined Salzburg, Mane used to take him to the gym after training. Players who have longer careers tend to be like that, such as Milner, working harder than the rest.}


 

 

08 Dec 2018
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Looks like Everton have a busy weekend next week according to BBC Sport 😂

Zeddicus

1.) 08 Dec 2018 21:57:57
Brilliant.


 

 

 

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08 Jan 2019 13:03:39
I take your point Ed025, but the team yesterday wasn’t a team we would put out in the premiership. The Man City team, for example, was an adult lot of regular starters. Maybe very good is pushing it, and we definitely don’t have 2 players for each position. I honestly think our biggest issue is having 3 other attackers in the same mould as our regular 3. Sturridge and Origi play a different type of game which unbalanced the rest of the team too. I have high hopes for Brewster, especially as he had been modelling himself on Bobby, and would like to see how well Kent could do back in our team, not forgetting Woodburn too. However, I suspect we will see Origi and Studge gone by the summer and at least one new player brought in. Would still love for that to be Fekir.

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08 Jan 2019 13:04:22
P. s. I think our first team is outstanding, not “very good” 😉.

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08 Jan 2019 12:41:04
Thanks Tris. He sounds like one to keep tabs on and nab in a few years time when he moves into coaching!

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08 Jan 2019 12:25:48
Sorry, forgot to add, whether you think we need another CB at the expense of Lovren and/ or Matip? The way I see it we now have a very good squad and just need to tweak round the edges to ensure the replacements for our first 11 a) can play in the same way to allow for better integration (not like Sturridge for example) and b) are of a slightly better quality than some we have.

To find very good players who are happy with rotation, in my view you either go for players are the start or end of their careers.

Zeddicus

{Ed025's Note - the problem is zed that you dont have "a very good squad", you have a very good first team but i think yesterday showed that the squad is just about how weak as it can get mate, just my view of course..


 

 

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08 Jan 2019 11:56:06
Thanks Tris. I know you’ve been a fan of Godin’s. In your view, would he be a good addition for us, even at 32? Would he work well with VVD and Gomez given their relative speed?

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{Ed001's Note - I love Godin and training with Gomez and VVD would be great for them to learn the dark arts of defending, as Godin is the master of them in the modern game. However he is not really suited to our style of play on the pitch, so, much as I love him, it would maybe not be as good a signing as it would seem on the face of it. Moving to a higher paced league at the age of 32 would be difficult enough for him, without asking him to play 15 yards further up the pitch than he usually does.}


 

 

 

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17 Jan 2019 18:22:35
Can't control the urge to get involved in this debate, so here I go!

Ed001, I totally get your point, but I do think you were a bit harsh on Pff, a bit personal.

Its not like any of us workers being approached by another company (albeit there anti-solicitation clauses in most employment contracts these days) as we are one of a multitude of people who could do the same job (in the main) .

To try to get even a small comparison to other work situations, its more like the top people in large organisations. They often have golden handcuffs and very long notice periods (6-12m etc) as they are in a small minority of people who can do their job.

There aren't that many Mo Salahs, or Meesis in the world, so of course a club wants to protect their asset and avoid them being 'tapped up' by other teams (whether through the manager, other players or whoever) . Yes it does go on - just look to Stevie G's book for examples - but that doesn't make it right.

Of course, approaching a club through the proper channels is what should happen - approach the club first and ask permission as these are the rules that have been set out to protect all parties, just as top bosses moving from company to company would tend to include the agreement of all parties (even if grudgingly! ) and probably compensation either in the form of payment or time.

Long and short of it, tapping up is wrong, and illegal. It does go on in football, but it shouldn't. And when it gets discovered, it ends up costing the guilty parties, whether in sanctions from governing bodies or, in the case of us and VVD, a financial penalty associated to the transfer (higher fee, all paid in cash not phased)

I feel better now :)

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't meaning it to sound harsh on him, I was merely pointing out that he is operating at a completely different level, like most of us are. We are insignificant specks in the main, whereas professional footballers are in the top 0.1% of their field.}


 

 

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17 Jan 2019 18:28:55
VakPa, why would we pay them the best part of €80m (roughly what we've received so far) to have a player back who doesn't have a natural position in our shape of team, other than the Shaqiri role in a 4-2-3-1, which Shaq is playing quite nicely himself thank you? In a 4-3-3 he doesn't fit in the middle 3, so he'd have to take Salah or Mane's place. Which would you pick to bench for him? Passing by Pulisic proved to me that a) Mane or Salah are not likely to move any time soon (thankfully) and b) the club is not prepared to pay c€70m for someone to have in rotation. Pipco would cost at least 10-20% more (if not more than that) .

Also, why would he want to come back to us when he's not guaranteed a starting position? His dream was to play for Barcelona and he's on the bench there quite often. If he moves away from his dream club, I would imagine he would want to move to a club where he was a guaranteed starter.

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17 Jan 2019 16:31:52
Thanks Ed002, appreciate it.

Z.

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17 Jan 2019 13:19:21
My source is only Wiki (apologies! ) but upto 13 Jan 19, Pipco had made 47 appearances for Barcelona - 35 in the league, 5 in the cup, 6 in Europe and 1 'other'.

According to Ed002's great breakdown, we get the next €5m when he reaches 50 "first class appearances". Not sure what the 'Other' is above, but he's 3-4 appearances away from that payment being triggered.

As PakRed has said above, €120m is guaranteed, with the first €48m already having been paid, €24m due this month, €24m due in June and the remaining €24m due in June 20.

We've already been paid the first €5m of €20m appearance related payments (for 25 appearances) with the next €5m arguably imminent (if he's not sold) .

We've already got the first €5m of the €20m related to Champions League performance (when Barcelona qualified for the 2018-19 UCL) and I would think another €5m is pretty much guaranteed as it is dependent on Barcelona qualifying for the UCL group stages in 2019-20 which is pretty nailed on they will do. The remaining €10m is dependent on Barcelona winning it in each year, which they won't do because we will :)

So, if we assume that he leaves before hitting 75 or 100 appearances for Barca, then we have:

€120m fixed, €10m from appearances (if he reaches 50) and €10m from Barcelona qualifying for the UCL Group stages in 2018-19 and 2019-20 so €140m. Of this we owe Vasco and Inter a total of 5% which is €7m so netting €133m, albeit over time.

I have a couple of questions (probably for Ed002) if I may, just to help our understanding of football finances:

1) Regarding the €120m which is fixed, when would Liverpool be able to book that as revenue in their books for FFP purposes? Is it at point of sale, or at point of receipt of the monies?

2) Also regarding the €120m, are the payment dates adhered to even if the player subsequently is sold by the club? I presume they are even if he leaves, rather than the remaining amount being payable immediately (I seem to remember that we were still paying for players that we had subsequently sold some time earlier)

3) Regarding the UCL related payments, if the player leaves the club beforehand, but they still qualify for/ win the competition, are the payments still due or are they only relevant whilst he is at the club?

Thank you!

Z.

Zeddicus

{Ed002's Note - (1) This is not simple as the club borrowed against the income. (2) Yes, typically that is how it works but there is the caveat we spoke of previously if they are to buy another player from Liverpool which would see them paid up. (3) Only whilst he is with the club - people have been court out by not making that clear before (e.g. Liverpool).}


 

 

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17 Jan 2019 08:08:31
Thanks Ed001, one of my favourite Elvis images!

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - you have a favourite Elvis image? That is worrying.}