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26 Oct 2017 18:37:02
Anyone know about the Ings rumours? Apparently teams (lower EPL and high Championship) are looking to take Ings on loan in January.

What is his current injury situation? According to Physio Room he's not injured, so I'm guessing he's trying to play his way back to match fitness in the U23s?

Is the club looking for a loan for him in the second part of the season to help with match fitness for 2018/ 19, or is he no longer seen as part of first team plans?

Any info would be very welcome as I really rate Danny and feel so sorry for the lad with his terrible luck with injuries at really bad times!


1.) 26 Oct 2017 19:04:01
He probably needs a loan away to play some first team football, he’s barely played for 2 seasons due to injury. Look at how long it took Radamel Falcao to get back to form following a similar injury.

2.) 26 Oct 2017 19:11:35
I really like the player so if he goes I hope he has a brilliant second half of season and gets in good condition for next season.

3.) 26 Oct 2017 20:21:05
Would do well at Norwich with a brilliant little player like Maddison behind him.

4.) 26 Oct 2017 23:28:21
Lower EPL? Everton are desperate for a striker and he wouldn't even have to move house ;)



18 Jul 2017 23:08:42
I understand Kevin Stewart is set to sign for Hull, not sure if on loan or permanent.

Could be part of Robertson deal?

Source is just an American golfer I met playing an online golf game who is a massive Hull fan! So definitely not ITK but an old fashioned rumour!

Anyone know anything about this?


1.) 18 Jul 2017 23:44:12
Hahaha Zed, that's a first mate lol.

2.) 18 Jul 2017 23:47:53
Was your source Donald Trump? If so, he is a terrible liar.

3.) 19 Jul 2017 07:50:29
Surely tiger isn't a fan of the tigers?

4.) 19 Jul 2017 08:02:33
Seems to be true. Paul Joyce said the same on twitter. Fee rising to 8 million pounds APPARENTLY. Seems like a good deal to me if it's true.

5.) 19 Jul 2017 08:32:20
Good move for Stewart considering he will be first choice at Hull. However if the lad had wanted to stay, I would have kept him to provide cover for Hendo and Can if he was willing to be a squad player.

6.) 19 Jul 2017 09:30:03
IB, I'm with Harry that if this goes through, Keita is coming to us.

With a suspected first choice midfield 3 of Hendo/ Navy Keith then Couts, we already have Can as backup, as well as Milner and Grujic. TAA can also play there as can others from the u23s.

It may also mean that the Ox is coming, but even without him we have plenty of cover.

If it has helped sweeten the Robertson deal, all the better as we have very little cover at LB!

I would rather give Grujic, for example, more chances as I believe he has much better potential than Kevin Stewart, who imo was very solid when he came in, but nothing special.

7.) 19 Jul 2017 09:31:27
Good move for him, not good enough for a team wanting to challenge for cups and titles. At 23 you should be established, not making 10 apps a season.

8.) 19 Jul 2017 10:47:58
Zeddicus, Stewart's a CDM while Keita plays further up the pitch. Signing keita was never going to hamper Stewart's role in the team, it is Can that was in his way.

9.) 19 Jul 2017 11:21:45
IB, only if Klopp wants to cover off every possible midfield role, which is unlikely as his teams will play certain ways. If it was Rafa, I'd have no doubt that a CDM leaving would be replaced by a CDM arriving, as that's the way he played.

I'm looking at our midfield positions as a whole:

Playing 4-3-3, the front 3 are likely to be Salah and Mane with Firmino through the middle. Alternatives to the front 3 include Studge, Origi, Ings. Solanke. I'd be interested to see where the width comes from if/ when Mane and Salah are unavailable as we seem to be selling Markovic, and giving loan moves to Ojo and Kent?

The middle 3 will likely be a first choice of Hendo, Keita (or alternative that we haven't heard about yet? ) and Couts. Alternatives will therefore be Grujic, Can, Wiji, Lallana, Milner, TAA, possibly Ox?

If we are playing a 4-4-2 diamond as we did at the end of 2016-17, then I'd expect Hendo or Keita at the base, Mane and Salah providing width and Couts at the apex, with 2 out of our 5 striking options up front.



08 Jul 2017 19:17:53
Hi Eds,

The Echo (I know! ) has reported we have received a number of enquiries for Sakho. Other than Crystal Palace, which other clubs have made enquiries, that you are aware of?




{Ed002's Note - Stoke certainly are interested and his agent spoke with many other sides including Spurs and Lille.}

1.) 08 Jul 2017 19:46:29
Liver_La, I think that's just a load of gentlemans ear muffs from the echo.

2.) 08 Jul 2017 20:35:17
Thanks Ed002. Much as I disagree with his attitude, I still rate him as a player, so hope he gets sold overseas rather than risk a MoM performance against us!

3.) 09 Jul 2017 08:07:20
Terrible player. No idea where this supposed 30 mil price tag has come from.

A player we should want to go up against in the prem. Our attackers would run rings around him.



07 Jul 2017 09:50:54
Question for Ed002, hopefully to put the Keita 'release clause' (or whatever it is called) to be.

Been reported widely that Keita can leave for £48m next summer. Some of the posters here have taken that to mean 'lets leave him this season and buy him next season for £48m'.

However, Ed002, I'm sure you said that the relevant clause is nothing to do with Liverpool.

Does that mean its only relevant to certain clubs i. e. German clubs only, or Bayern Munich only etc?

Like I said, trying to stop people barking up the wrong tree with this one, as many seem to think we can save money and waltz in next year and get the player.




{Ed002's Note - If it is a "release clause" it can only be enacted by a club in the same legal jurisdiction that the contract was written in. People still use the term "buy out" clauses which are clearly very rare.

Perhaps a reminder about transfer related clauses would be apt. This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about four years ago. So "buy out" clauses are very rare.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.}

1.) 07 Jul 2017 12:42:08
Thanks for taking the time to write such a comprehensive summary, really helps me with understanding the various options.

So, if as reported, Keita has a "release clause" then its irrelevant to us buying him next year, except as a guide for the price. As we are not a German club, we could offer the amount of the "release clause" (say £48m for arguments sake as that's what's been reported) and RBL could still say no. However, a German club (Bayern, for instance) could offer the £48m and, as long as Keita is amenable to the move, RBL would HAVE to sell him for that amount.

As its a release clause being reported, rather than a termination clause, then we have no better chance of getting RBL to agree to sell Keita next year than this year.

{Ed002's Note - If he has a release clause, in broad terms yes. However, it certainly would not be in Pounds nor would any offer from Liverpool.

RBL met with an English side over another player yesterday and I understand that the first thing they stressed was that the club should not contact the player in any way or form - they haven't - but they were adamant that they should get their point across.

I suspect the Keita issue will drag on.}

2.) 07 Jul 2017 12:46:53
good and interesting reading that ed002 thanks for you input
Up the pool.

3.) 07 Jul 2017 13:02:37
Nice one Ed's. That clears up a lot of confusion.

4.) 07 Jul 2017 13:13:17
I am copying your Reply Ed02 and should be pasting into various groups ( with your consent ) as people around the globe are throwing random speculations on these clauses!

5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:06:24
Eds are you with me in thinking that Liverpool are wasting there time chasing Keita when you have made it clear they have no thoughts on selling him what so ever. You just said it will likely drag on and on so I don't see why we are wasting our time when we could be chasing a differant player?

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing to stop them putting abid in - but if they are keen an embarrisingly low one would likely be shrugged at. They could persist and perhaps be reported to FIFA?}

6.) 07 Jul 2017 14:11:49
Hi Ed, are RBL open to selling that other player to the other English club, or is it another case of show me a eye watering offer and we will consider? Just thinking that if they do that would probably be even less likely that they would part with many more (if any)?

{Ed002's Note - Perhps but it is unrelated.}

7.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:13
Responses like that is what makes this site so great thanks ed.

8.) 07 Jul 2017 14:52:39
Utterly superb and comprehensive response ed. Thank you.

9.) 07 Jul 2017 16:13:06
Cheers for reply ed. Knowing most of our bids for other players it will be embarrasingly low. Walk away I say.

10.) 07 Jul 2017 16:45:04
Just read back what you said ed. If we persist we could be reported to FIFA! what a shambles. Am I alone in thinking we need to walk away, why waste so much time on a player they won't sell. Ridiculous beyond words!

11.) 07 Jul 2017 22:51:45
Eds, brilliant explanation thanks . but what exactly is the point of a release clause? If the club doesn't want to sell then why would they include one? I understand if it's used as a deterrent but we see time and time again that clubs including LFC go in with bids under that anyway.

12.) 07 Jul 2017 21:22:58
Your a genius ed2.



04 Jul 2017 22:54:22
This makes little or no sense given we have 3 keepers who could all arguably lay claim to the No 1 spot.

However, when browsing articles about Emanuel Mammana, I stumbled across a link (albeit from The Express) which says we have apparently bid £10m for the Sevilla No 1 keeper Sergio Rico.

Eds, I haven't found any reference to him via the search box, so are you aware of any approach being made to Sevilla about him? Offer seems low given he has an apparent £26m clause, but all negotiations have to start somewhere!

If the Eds can shed some light, and this is the case, I can only conclude that 1 or 2 of our keepers will be moving on this window, which is in line with my 'gut' feel of a couple of days ago.

Thanks Eds :)


{Ed025's Note - apparently the spanish press seem to think so zeddicus, but as is liverpools want they are playing low ball again and are refusing to honour his buy out clause (now theres a surprise) if you want him then pay the bloody money and stop messing clubs around FFS, if you go to a supermarket and want to buy a loaf thats £1 and you offer them 40p see how much toast you will be eating that night..

1.) 04 Jul 2017 23:16:09
Thanks Ed025, a strange twist!

On the pricing point, though, if you could convince the loaf that it only wants to be sold to you and no-one else, I'm sure you could negotiate to around 70p with the supermarket.

I'm not sure what punishments could be imposed on you for 'bapping up' though?

2.) 04 Jul 2017 23:51:45
It's called a 'negotiation' isn't it?

3.) 05 Jul 2017 00:31:44

4.) 05 Jul 2017 00:31:14
I'm not sure LFC's 'middle eastern bazaar' tactics are going down too well with the other clubs!

5.) 05 Jul 2017 00:30:30
Why would not try and negotiate a better price though? It's not like bread where there is an exact cost to the product and you then add a mark-up with very little profit margins. In my business I get asked for discounts all the time. If it's a silly price then sure I get a little irritated, but if they're making an effort then I usually ask a little more and the deal gets done. If I have a really nice piece I overprice it and there is very little leeway on price.

6.) 05 Jul 2017 03:15:10
Hi Ed025, I agree that Liv are quite bad at their transfer dealings but I'm sure its a reasonable thing to put in a bid that they feel is a good starting point. Usually from what we read, clubs will have to negotiate to reach a sale agreement. Although the buy out clause of 26mil is considered peanuts these days, but surely we can't be paying everything clubs want for their players and some have ridiculous fees set as their buy out clause. Having said that, I don't think we need another keeper unless we plan to ship out either Karius or Mignolet.

{Ed025's Note - i think making a lower offer is fair game DAP but it has to be one that is not an insult, i dont think a keeper is a priority either but if you are after any player at least make the offer reasonable mate..

7.) 05 Jul 2017 06:51:46
So we are trying to sign him ed? Very strange given we already have Migs, Karius and Ward.

{Ed025's Note - it seems strange to me as well MR but the spanish press seem to think so mate..

8.) 05 Jul 2017 07:32:39
Are we therefore suggesting Sakho is approaching his sell by date ad should be on the reduced price shelf?
Yoh can eat toast for 40p if you are prepared to wait.
Imo, the goalkeeper interest is just paper talk.

9.) 05 Jul 2017 09:51:06
Everybody getting excited about newspaper reports again. Surely we have learned by now that at least 90% of them are made up as they do not have any genuine news. Why do people want to beat the club up over fictitious reports.

10.) 05 Jul 2017 10:55:18
We should just pay the buy-out-clausle and sell Mignolet.

Yes he got better at the end of the season but i allways have fear when the ball gets near our goal because of the stupid mistakes he made before. Bogdan will hopefully leave for Nottingham this summer, ward hopefully gets his loan move to huddelsfield and we would still have Karius as a back up and Rico as our first choice.

11.) 05 Jul 2017 11:25:11
To borrow your analogy ed if the shopkeeper set the value of a load of bread at £50k would you just stroll in and pay it or would you expect the shopkeeper to justify its inflated price?

Inflation happens when people blindly pay the price. We have an inflated transfer market pricisely because teams are willing to pay silly fees and wages. Personally I think it's a bad thing that teams are willing to do this as it does ruin football a little.

Now it shouldn't be assumed that I agree with extreme lowballing either (i've been openly critical of LFC transfer dealings) but the idea you pay whatever is being asked is not only bad for the club it's bad for the game. The only people it's good for is agents.

{Ed025's Note - i agree to a certain extent nevada but there has to be a modicum of realism in an offer, prices are massively inflated but you can bet someone will offer close to an evaluation its just the way it is, its no use liverpool being martyr,s and proudly boasting that they did not conform if you finish outside the top 4 mate, my problem with liverpool supporters is they are advocating that if couts goes then you should ask for £100m+, yet if you are buying the offer should be way below the asking price?, you cant have your cake and eat it mate..

12.) 05 Jul 2017 19:13:23
Spot on eds. But you won't win if you don't buy a ticket. Like you say, the low bid gets the ball rolling. Hope this one comes through. I genuinely love every man in a liverpool shirt and kissed the screen when mingnolet saved that sitter against West ham? In my heart of hearts we don't have a world class keeper.

No offence but Danny ward is not at ucl level. Yet. Good luck to him, let him go to Huddersfield and sign this rico. Good for us all. I want Joe Hart. Think we'd win league with him but jn all honesty I have never seen rico play. Hope he's good. Cheers guys.

13.) 05 Jul 2017 20:15:08
Well I do agree there Ed. one cannot claim that transfers are inflated beyond reason and then inflate ones own at the same time.

I don't agree with sports economics at all. In particular a select few clubs (of which LFC is one) are spoiling many aspects of the game.

14.) 05 Jul 2017 19:50:08
It's true isn't it crammie We are building something special here and from what I've seen we don't have a world class keeper. Imo it is vital if you wanna win the league. Don't know much about Rico (love the name) but he is highly thought of in Spain/ Portugal.




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31 Jul 2017 15:18:42
With Clyne likely out for the start of the season, who is most likely to step in? Milner, TAA or Flanno?

I would love to give TAA a try for a few games to see if he can secure the position, but I think its more likely Milner will play there due to reliability. A close run thing though.

I haven't watched all of the pre-season games in full, has Milner had a run out at RB?


1.) 31 Jul 2017 15:35:04

{Ed002's Note - Not Gomez. I would think Flanagan.}

2.) 31 Jul 2017 15:46:32
How has Flanno looked in pre-season? Back to his 2014 best or still working his way back?

3.) 31 Jul 2017 15:54:58
Gomez is out injured for the Audi cup aswell. I Agree with Ed02 with comments Klopps made which are pretty much bang on TAA is offensively ready but defensively still needs work this is where Flanagan can work his way back in he has experience in premier league not the best going forward but was always a solid defender.



30 Jul 2017 17:24:37
Don't worry about Keita.

Apparently, it's not a clause for German clubs at €55m, it's a clause for U. K. clubs ending in "pool" in Jan 18 at £30m.

You heard it here first 😉.


1.) 30 Jul 2017 17:43:48

2.) 30 Jul 2017 17:48:47
If we sign vvd our club will be called liverhampton anyway?



28 Jul 2017 00:00:33
"The Premier League is a championship that amazes me, " he said,

"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, I would like to play at it, yes.

"I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool - these are the teams that are always there fighting. "

Quote by Neymar earlier this year.

Trust me, he's coming here rather than Couts going there.

His signing will be announced around 11.30am on Tuesday 13th August.

You heard it here first.


1.) 28 Jul 2017 00:08:30
You may be messing but i actually heard that we are interested in him haha. Not that I believe the lad for a second.

2.) 28 Jul 2017 02:05:09
Oh my God the world would explode.

3.) 28 Jul 2017 03:03:21
I heard that we tapped him up with years free hair cuts, allowing him to wear number 1 on his shirt and that he can have a sleep over every Friday night with Coutinho.



27 Jul 2017 17:07:04
How would you feel about Rakitic, Ter Stegn and €30m for Couts?


{Ed002's Note - No chance of ter Stegen.}

1.) 27 Jul 2017 17:27:16
Do you have any info on what value Barcelona are putting on Rakitic as part of the proposed deal, Ed002? I rate him as a player and was pleased that we were linked with him a couple of seasons ago. If Phil really wants to leave, and we get Rakitic plus enough money for, say, VVD, that would (begrudgingly! ) for me a decent outcome. Obviously only against the backdrop of Phil really wanting to leave.

{Ed002's Note - You need to ignore the money completely.}



20 Jul 2017 07:04:05
On a side note, who else is happy that Harry has gone back to his original user name?!

Let's party like it's 2012.!


1.) 20 Jul 2017 07:20:01
Harry is this site's only Celebrity poster no doubt.
And of course Zed is his biggest fan. :)

{Ed025's Note - they will both be on love island next year i expect reet.. :)

2.) 20 Jul 2017 09:05:25
Which harry? sorry😅😅.

3.) 20 Jul 2017 11:41:10
I understand Harry and Ed001 are already booked onto next year's show!

{Ed001's Note - what show?}




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16 Dec 2017 23:44:27
Today linked with Villa and Brighton on loan, much more palatable.




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13 Dec 2017 18:18:07
Adding a source gives it more credibility, even if its just your mate from the pub!

A quick Google search yields an article from over a month ago (12 Nov) in the Daily Star, quoting no sources whatsoever. Looks like made up click bait, but the figure they moot is £35m being his release clause (? ) .

Ed001 esp, have you seen much of his exploits in Italy, and do you think, given his development of late, he could fit well into Klopp's current preferred way of playing?

Not to say I believe the rumour, Daily Star and all that, but putting aside the fact we sold him and then may buy him back, £35m if he is effective and could grow into the Couts role is relatively cheap in this market place (compared to c£80m for Lemar according to L'Equipe via the Daily Mail and BBC Gossip today) . If he is the right player for us right now, let's not make the same mistake as Chelsea with De Bruyne.




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10 Dec 2017 13:31:41
JC, that would leave Robertson as part of a midfield 3, which would be a bold move by Klopp!




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10 Dec 2017 09:31:12
I guess the reports may not be completely untrue. Its feasible that his representative has agreed a package with Juve which will then be formally signed once the window opens.




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10 Nov 2017 06:16:03
From what I can find on the web, the fact that Leverkusen allowed the visit to take place is a direct quote from the This is Anfield site, who themselves have put it in quote marks. Not referenced to anyone particular at Leverkusen, so it could've just been a random punter who said that!

No idea how reliable that site is nowadays, but it also suggests that Havertz met with Gerrard, Klopp and Couts, and that we are also courting Goretzka for a summer move on a free.





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11 Dec 2017 17:29:29
Disagree with the "offers the same as Moreno going forward". I counted a number of very wayward crosses yesterday. Do think he adds more solidity in defending, but I think Moreno (this season's vintage, anyway) is closer to what we need than Robertson.




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08 Dec 2017 15:05:17
i know enough about you, Harry, to know that you are crazy.

Crazy in love with other players but ours, except for your latest hero, Coutinho.

It seems to be seasonal, maybe a new flame soon given autumn is giving way to winter?




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08 Dec 2017 08:42:44
Same people who let you out from the asylum, Harry?




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07 Dec 2017 13:06:17
Henchoz was a great stand in goalie! He was even 'handy' when he didn't have the gloves on ;)




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07 Dec 2017 13:02:14
To be fair Barnesy, we didn't go backwards when Torres left, as Suarez came in (ignore the whole Carroll thing! ), we won a cup the following season (our only trophy in 11 years), and then followed Sturridge and Coutinho.

We definitely suffered when Suarez left, and we would've been lost without Gerrard from the time he became our captain.

Our problem has been that we have relied on one or two key players in the last 15 years or so - Gerrard and Owen, Gerrard and Alonso, Gerrard and Torres, Suarez etc. Whilst I don't want to lose Coutinho, we are more than a 1/ 2 player team now, we have talent all over the middle/ front of the park (notable omissions at the back! ), and, although he is not the same type of player, we have Keita already lined up for next summer, who will again move us on. I'm also keen to see how Lallana could play in the advanced midfield role that Couts is playing at the moment, with MSF in front of him.

I honestly feel that, this time, when Couts eventually goes, we won't suffer the same dip we saw post Suarez. We are (more often than not) greater than the sum of our parts.