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11 Nov 2017 17:54:38
So Couts wants the clubs to reject bids from PSG! After his behaviour over the past few months the club should flog him to whoever comes up with the biggest wad of cash, and I mean cash, not spurious ‘bonus’ payments that might never be triggered. £120million and off he goes.

{Ed002's Note - it doesn’t work like that and if Liverpool screw around everyone might welcome bids from other interested parties.}


1.) 11 Nov 2017 23:50:15
And don't believe what the rags say.


2.) 12 Nov 2017 00:18:16
I think it's pretty clear he only wants Barcelona so we take what we can and move on.


3.) 12 Nov 2017 01:56:31
Den82 what do you mean we take what we can? £10 million? £15 million? This isn’t a used car this is one of the best footballers in the premier league, we take what we think he is worth and nothing less.


4.) 12 Nov 2017 03:31:36
I disagree and to suggest we would be offered £10 mil is ridiculous. I would imagine it will be around 10 times that much and we will no doubt squeeze as much as is humanly possible but at the end of the day Barcelona know that he only wants them and they will only pay what they think he is worth to them.


5.) 12 Nov 2017 05:29:31
Well if we are talking about being ridiculous maybe you shouldn’t suggest we should ‘take what we can’ for a player that we valued at over £120 million. Do we just give in and let Coutinho hold us to ransom because he only wants to join one club? If Liverpool is bigger than any player surely we can’t allow Coutinho to bully us into getting his way on his terms. We should sell him but only for an amount that the club deem acceptable.


6.) 12 Nov 2017 06:46:59
I thought Coutinho wan to play w Neymar. Now Neymar is in PSG coutinho should go there. May the Sheikh offer Liverpool 150mil pound! Get the $ and we dump it on GK, 1 CB and 1 striker. Off load the deadwood.


7.) 12 Nov 2017 07:25:09
It seems unlikely FSG is going to be bullied into accepting a ridiculously low sum, and Barcelona probably aren't going to be bullied into paying over the odds for someone they know wants to leave for them.

Lets just accept what we think is a reasonable figure and allows us to replace him with similar quality and move on. I don’t think that's 150m but neither should we accept less than lukaku or Pogba so around 100m would me more than enough IMO considering few players go for over 70m.


8.) 12 Nov 2017 08:37:22
Obviously the player will get what he wants, in his move to Barcelona but FSG has to make sure we get every penny we want from Barca. Nothing less will be acceptable and no pathetic player exchange either, unless they give us Messi 😂.


9.) 12 Nov 2017 08:56:04
Relaxlabrudder - Why should we buy a keeper with the money when Karius and Ward haven't had their time to prove themselves? we don't need a keeper we need to drop Mignolet that's all, buying another keeper would be forcing Ward and/ or Karius straight out the door without their chance, that'd make us look absolutely wonderful wouldn't it. We don't need a striker either. Yes we do need a CB and possible a Couts replacement in Jan/ Summer. But that's as far as it goes.


10.) 12 Nov 2017 09:56:57
Of course we need a keeper. Klopp doesn't want to play Karius or Ward in the premier league. If he did then they would be playing it's as simple as that. It's not to protect Karius as Mignolet gets pelters every week. How important is a keeper to a team that wants to challenge. Well look at De Gea, Courtouis, Cech and Lloris, they are all top class keepers or better and are easily in the top 10 keepers in the world. City had Bravo in net last season and they were a shambles. Look at them now this season after replacing him. As much as I would like Ward and Karius to work it they are nowhere near the standard of the 4 named above. The less said on Mignolet the better.


11.) 12 Nov 2017 10:40:32
Jayden I understand what your saying but you say 'As much as I would like Ward and Karius to work it they are nowhere near the standard of the 4 named above. ' How would we know that since they've been give no chance? they need to be thrown in mate before we can say thing's like 'they are nowhere near the standard of the 4 named above'


12.) 12 Nov 2017 10:49:17
Corleone because If they were the standard of the keepers named above they would have given Klopp no other choice but to play them and as he's not playing them there would be managers beating down our doors to sign them. This is not me saying their bad keepers but saying they are nowhere near the level of the 4 and I'd bet my mortgage on that.


13.) 12 Nov 2017 09:56:11
What you mean by"screw around"Ed?

{Ed002's Note - If they have financial expectations beyond what Barcelona will pay.}


14.) 12 Nov 2017 11:58:17
Why would he ask the club to reject a bid from PSG? even if the club accepted a bid it doesn't mean that he has to go there.


15.) 12 Nov 2017 13:48:47
I like Coutinho but Im at the point where I think its over he just needs to go i agree the club should get the best deal they can for him but come 1st Feb. he should be a Barcelona player or whoever i just don't care now a good solid offer, I don't ind addons as long as they aren't stupid like ballon dor and that

adeus e obrigado pelas lembranças e a melhor sorte no futuro.


16.) 12 Nov 2017 12:49:25
Ok thank you.


17.) 12 Nov 2017 12:56:42
"Take what we can? "and "screw around? ". if it was us wanting to buy a player Ed002 would be saying we should pay whatever the asking price is and all the moaners would be saying we should just hurry up and pay the asking price. ala Salah this summer.

{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt you would find me saying such things. Barcelona will make a low offer including another player - time will quickly come where they turn to someone else on their list.}


18.) 12 Nov 2017 16:41:20
I’d hope the club turned down Barca’s lowball offer, there isn’t a player on their release list that would improve our starting 11. End of story.


19.) 13 Nov 2017 06:34:36
Barcelona didn’t just take what they can when they sold Neymar. If they can’t afford the asking price then walk away. If I walk into a car Showroom selling Austin Martin’s would they just take what they can purely because I want the vehicle but can’t affford it?

We’ve seen the TV deals inflate the price of players over the last few years, you just need to look at average players cost £40m

The clubs are happy to take the money.


20.) 13 Nov 2017 08:05:08
Dennis, i like your sentiments. However the third best player in the world, Luis Suarez, is on their outs list!

Pretty sure he improves any team in world football. If he hadn't acted how he did before, we'd be mad to reject him. With his behaviour considered though, even his world class talents don't seem like enough to offset the embarassment he brings!


21.) 12 Nov 2017 22:02:09
Ed I take it the player is likely Rafinha?

{Ed002's Note - They are talking to another side about Rafinha, Andre Gomes is more likely initially.}


22.) 15 Nov 2017 06:36:07
The problem is you can't tell with this story if it is just the media making stuff up to have something to write, player/ family/ agent to be self serving tools or Barcelona leaking it to get what they want. After previous events all 3 are equally possible. As someone said why does he need to say don't entertain offers and why does it need to be public.


 

 

 

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07 Nov 2017 12:13:33
Hendo not joining up with England. At last, some common sense.

{Ed025's Note - from england.. :)


1.) 07 Nov 2017 14:02:02
Why is he not hooking up with England? He is in the squad.

{Ed002's Note - He is injured and Liverpool are trying to get him fit.}


2.) 07 Nov 2017 13:02:24
Heheh NOT FUNNY. But enjoy Big Sam ed ;)

{Ed025's Note - i cant im afraid KIAK, i dislike the guy intensely but there is nothing i can do about it mate..


3.) 07 Nov 2017 20:22:56
That's now west Brom man u and everton I won't be watching.

{Ed025's Note - you wont be missing much irish..


4.) 08 Nov 2017 03:29:11
of course, thanks for the reply Ed025. Fair play to the blues on the weekend. good result. Showed some heart for once. I think they have turned a corner now too maybe. That was an important win and must of been a real confidence boost to come back like that

Why was the Ox not been picked? Is it just because he wants to give the youngsters a chance (GS) or is he injured too?

{Ed025's Note - we got lucky to be fair superred, thats unusual for a team thats in trouble but it could just be a false dawn we will have to see mate, i give up trying to second guess southgate and never look forward to england games, i see it as a blessing if your players are not picked now..


5.) 08 Nov 2017 08:40:12
lol ed025, I'm with you on watching England, they are so boring and they move the ball so slowly. they walk with the ball sometimes in the FINAL third! What? I still watch, I can't help myself. it was like when I got hooked on Coronation Street, I didn't wanna watch but I couldn't help myself!

Yeah, i'm glad Hendo Lallana and AOC are not going. I reckon we might see Lallana for Chelsea and Seville. Take care mate.
thanks again for the reply,

I only watched everton game on motd. I thought everton showed a lot of heart, sometimes you deserve a bit of luck. God knows we've had it. but who hasn't? Swindon?

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..


 

 

07 Nov 2017 12:09:49
So Liverpool have only allowed 86 shots against them this season, one of the best figures, but have conceded from nearly 20% of them, the worst in the league. Anyone still think our defence is ok? (Figures from Optima via BBC) .


1.) 07 Nov 2017 12:24:00
These numbers say the defense in not the problem though don't they?
They obviously say our keeper can't stop the shots despite being a good ''shot stopper''

As posted earlier on the site, Mignolet has one of the worst shots to goals ratio in any of Europe top 5 league.


2.) 07 Nov 2017 12:50:32
It also means IMO.

1) we have been playing a system that doesn’t give away much possession or chances. esp more scared and defensive sides like Huddersfield, Maribor and Man Utd ;)
2) however we also expose our defenders by playing a high line and aggressive system, so when we give away possession, they’re typically high percentage chances

Having said that I would agree it would help if we had a keeper that can save more than the run of the mill. We’ve also adapted our system recently to be a bit more balanced of late, hopefully the new system continues to improve these stats.


3.) 07 Nov 2017 13:03:13
Well put SGRed!


4.) 07 Nov 2017 13:27:39
This is the classic thing about interpreting stats. I wouldn't conclude from this that the stats reflect badly on the keeper but that the chances we give away are so easy that the keeper doesn't have a chance. To me these stats defend the keeper not the other way round.

{Ed001's Note - if that was true then the team would give up lots of shots. Teams which give up lots of easy shots are unable to stop difficult shots. You make no sense with your bizarre conclusion.}


5.) 07 Nov 2017 13:55:40
Just to clarify - by ‘defence’ I meant the whole lot of them and the system. But I have to add. Oh for a world class goalie!


6.) 07 Nov 2017 14:06:34
look, the defence has conceded, what is it? 2 goals at home? all season. That is very impressive. I know our away form is very different but it think that fact tells us the boys CAN defend.

Like I've said, We have had our blip, it wasn't so bad, I Still think we can win this league.


7.) 07 Nov 2017 14:14:55
Screw the stats. Mignolet is a terrible keeper, Matip is lazy, Lovren is error prone, Klavan is slow, Gomez lacks experience, Moreno is being told to attack high up the pitch, and Henderson is not a defensive midfielder.

I have no stats to back any of that up, but i think it's clear just from watching why we concede too many goals. No need to complicate it.


8.) 07 Nov 2017 14:43:56
That means you need another 6 players in the summer MK? 😆😆😆.


9.) 07 Nov 2017 14:56:50
Exactly MK, that's how I look at things as well mate.


10.) 07 Nov 2017 15:10:52
Why Harry?
1. Gomez is only inexperienced so by sticking with him he'll iron out his mistakes, and he should move to centre back next year.
2. Moreno is playing high up, but that is just the system so a new player won't change anything.
3. We already have 2 players at the club to replace Mignolet.

So that just leaves a new defensive midfielder, a new centre back and a new right back. 3 new players out of the entire starting XI. Job done. You don't have to make wholesales changes to improve something.


11.) 07 Nov 2017 15:29:18
There’s some nugget or more of truth in all those comments MK but very harsh to take it that far on individual players. I do think 95% of players have their weaknesses and an important element is to set the team up to prevent those being exposed. for example

- if you have Klavan in your side, play to protect that weakness against pace, not expose it. He’s played very well in last three games mostly because we’ve had plenty of cover for him in a back 3 so he’s less isolated one on one, plus he’s played very well against mostly more physical players so makes perfect sense for him to start against Huddersfield or Maribor. he’s brave and physical
- likewise we also look much better playing a semi-back 3 when moreno is licensed to maraud forward, leaving us less exposed to the counterattack
- we can use Gomez very effectively to provide some pace in the backline too, and to cover Matip who seems to struggle when turned around
- Hendo is very effective in a gengen-press system when we have Gini/ Lallana ahead of him. Those three are extremely effective together, but put in Can or Milner and sides play through them far easier and we’re then better off playing Can at CDM IMO and playing Hendo further forward IMO

I’m not saying we have the best defence by any stretch - we’re way behind the likes of Tottenham, but I do think we can help ourselves a bit more by boxing clever as we’ve seen from the last 3 games.


12.) 07 Nov 2017 18:21:07
Mistakes. I don't complain when we concede a goal from normal play, it's when Lovren completely misses the ball and gifts the other team a Goal is when I'm annoyed.
The entire defence and keeper is terrible and we won't win a single thing with them.


13.) 07 Nov 2017 19:23:31
Ed, I'll take that as a request to elaborate 😉

We've been through this before, a year ago we were in the same situation, we were conceding a disproportionate number of goals to shots. It didn't matter if Migs or Karius was in goal the result was the same.

Unless Karius and Migs were equally awful keepers these stats didn't make sense. Was there an alternative logical explanation? It comes from Klopp's style and how high we play up the pitch, essentially the ball spends most of the time in the opponent's half, this naturally restricts the number of shots we concede.

However, when our press is defeated our team is upfield and our defenders are isolated. This means that the chances we do concede are relatively easy.

This explains both why we concede so few shots and why we concede a disproportionate number of goals to shots. Hence my conclusion that these stats are actually a defence of the keeper not the opposite. Migs had a harder job than most keepers.

{Ed001's Note - how can you even bring Karius into this when he has had just 16 games in that period. 6 of those were clean sheets, which means either he made saves or you are suggesting he had nothing to do in those 6 games. Saying that he had nothing to do, which he must have had judging by your decision that we were conceding a disproportionate number of goals to shots and that means you are basing a statistical analysis on just 10 games. Sorry but that is impossible to do, any analyst who has a clue will tell you that the number is too low to draw any meaningful conclusion from that.

For starters it does not rule out anomalies like the first few games being while he recovered his confidence after a broken hand. Suggesting he is equally as bad as Migs is just nonsense and shows a lack of understanding of how to use stats.

Not that I should be surprised as the whole thread is based on nonsense stats that are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether the keepers have let in shots they should have saved. Migs does that repeatedly, he has let in shots I would have backed myself to save, let alone a Premier League keeper. Has Karius done so? I have yet to see him do so.

The only thing the stats tell us is that Mignolet is not good enough, as a good keeper will save even some 'easy' shots, whereas he has been guilty of letting in the first shot he has faced on more occasions than any other keeper in the league. Karius has never even come close to comparing to that.

Also, your reading of the stats is deficient as you failed to notice that we dropped the press for the second half of last season and barely used it. So how can a high press be at fault for Mignolet being useless?}


14.) 07 Nov 2017 23:04:46
I defend Migs not because I think he's a great keeper but because I think this site has gone overboard in its criticism of him recently and a lot of fan frustration is being unloaded on him because he's a safe target. In a month or two it will be someone else who's singled out and then I'll defend them, it's just my way.


15.) 07 Nov 2017 20:52:05
Ed001 Its interesting that Migs was a much better gk in the second half of last season. I initially thought it was due to the affects of the improved training sessions. However considering his drop off in performance this year as we switched back to the high press Im really starting to think it must be a mental thing with Migs. Could he perform better when he isn't isolated because he is more confident that if he makes a mistake then someone will be thereto cleanup (or maybe he isn't so aware of the spotlight)? I suspect his biggest weakness is his fear of making mistakes. Much of his issues with coming for the ball seem to be related to him second guessing himself. Defenders want decisive gks - doesn't matter if the decision is wrong but they need to know what he is going to do.

{Ed001's Note - we haven't switched back to the high press.}


16.) 08 Nov 2017 03:49:44
I love your loyalty Putney, reminds me of something I would say. Ed seems to know a bit about analysis and it sounds right that only ten games can not give you an accurate result. If you took the ten games at the beginning of last season then people would predict that we were going to win the league.

We can all see that migs is poor. We do play high press a lot and Matip is too lazy to race back. I don't actually think he can run full pelt. Klavan has been decent recently but he may come undone against Chelsea.

Mignolet

Matip and

Klavan/ Lovren

They are the central unit of our defence. The big boys. they are not names to put the fear of death into attackers. A club like Liverpool should have Better CBs than that. I would go with Gomes and Lovren when he is fit but I really hope we sign a big name in January.

That goofy lad "Pope" has been pretty impressive for the Burn. What do you guys think of him (Apart from the fact that he sucked his thumb until he was 14)

I believe that we have two top class keepers at the club but we are playing the worst one week in week out. the only thing that makes sense is that migs is really good in training? better than the others?


 

 

27 Aug 2017 17:53:12
That was just brilliant. A performance to savour. Just great. Same again against Citeh please.


 

 

19 Aug 2017 13:29:43
Seems we now have the Nobel Prize-winning pundit Jermaine Jenas telling us the club is damaging itself over PC. Shame he didn't actually bother to read what the offer actually was before wading in. Pundits huh? Who needs them?


1.) 19 Aug 2017 13:37:05
Surprised he didn't get injured while saying that.


2.) 19 Aug 2017 13:43:39
I wish Jenas would rubbish up.

Totally irrelevant opinion. Comparing PC to Berbatov somehow is laughable - the two are compeltly unrelated!

Funny how he's not saying the same thing about Danny Rose. I wonder if he'd say his precious Spurs are "damaging themselves" of this was Alli we were talking about.


3.) 19 Aug 2017 13:48:00
The bloke is a moron.


 

 

11 Aug 2017 15:33:52
Guardian saying Couts emailed transfer request immediately after FSG saying he wasn't for sale at any price. Might be the way of the world but it's still pure greed with no loyalty whatsoever.


1.) 11 Aug 2017 15:36:48
Where's the greed?


2.) 11 Aug 2017 15:40:06
The timing of the TR disappoints me. Coutinho should have known better that LFC would not want to sell him so why not pull this stunt earlier? He is desperate to go to Barcelona so why care about what we LFC fans think of him?
This nonsense about "amicably" riles me up. He wants to join Barca, did not want to hand in TR, wanted to be in LFC fans' good books etc.
Someone should tell him you cannot have everything. Very soon he will forget about LFC and LFC fans will stop caring about what he does at Barca.


3.) 11 Aug 2017 15:46:02
Exactly the opposite, the boy wants his move and will give up his 5% to get it, therefore the next Barcelona bid will probably be accepted, we get more money and Couts gets his move (his dream move at that, probably the only club he would leave us for ATM) but we must line up a replacement first, it is too big a risk with 3 weeks left to presume we will get a replacement.


 

 

 

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17 Nov 2017 23:37:35
When is he going to be Knighted? No one in football deserves it more.


 

 

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17 Nov 2017 23:37:35
When is he going to be Knighted? No one in football deserves it more.


 

 

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08 Nov 2017 19:33:17
Always thought Kilbane was an ok guy. I’m appalled that a Liverpool player, any player, would be so arsey. Very poor behaviour.


 

 

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07 Nov 2017 13:55:40
Just to clarify - by ‘defence’ I meant the whole lot of them and the system. But I have to add. Oh for a world class goalie!


 

 

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07 Nov 2017 12:11:56
Thanks, as always, Carra.