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05 Mar 2018 18:42:29
What's up reds and redettes,

Not a stats guy, BUT I found this online and it is just crazy:

Since the 4-1 loss to Tottenham:
1. City - 50 points, 50 goals scored, 17 conceded
2. Liverpool - 47 points, 52 goals scored, 16 conceded
3. Man United - 39 points, 31 goals scored, 16 conceded
4. Tottenham - 38 points, 36 goals scored, 15 goals conceded
5. Chelsea - 37 points, 33 goals scored, 16 conceded
6. One loss in 20 PL games.

Now that, takes some doing. YNWA!


1.) 05 Mar 2018 18:57:18
I was waitin for u to get to arsenal at 6, that was disappointing.

2.) 05 Mar 2018 21:49:57
Just shows how poor we were in the Spurs game and before that. It is a long season and we must make sure we start next season much better.

3.) 06 Mar 2018 13:23:38
Shows my luck! The only game I've managed to get this year was the Spurs game.



26 Feb 2018 21:38:05
Let this sink in, boys and girls. This season, Liverpool have scored 4 or more goals in ELEVEN games in all comps. this season. That is insane. Breakdown? Scored 4 in 6 games, 5 in 3 games and SEVEN in two games. I won't even count how many times we scored 3 goals in a game this season and I'll leave that for others to research. No team in Europe is posting these types of goalscoring numbers. None whatsoever.

I don't care whatever other teams do, who they sign or who plays for or manages them. I would NEVER trade our wonderful manager, players or club for any other in the PL. Red Till I'm Dead!


{Ed025's Note - not even city?..

1.) 26 Feb 2018 21:46:44
I totally agree BR, it's impressive mate and only going to get better.

2.) 26 Feb 2018 21:59:30
City and PSG are.

3.) 26 Feb 2018 22:09:03
We’ve scored 3 or more in half of our 28 league games apparently. not bad hey.

4.) 26 Feb 2018 22:13:52
We are so close to being epic.

5.) 26 Feb 2018 23:06:35
But we could still likely end the season trophyless unless we pull the CL out of the bag. Top teams and players are measured on what they win not on how many times they score 4 or more goals in a game.

6.) 27 Feb 2018 01:01:49
I think the only thing was attempting to measure, was his level of enjoyment in watching the team play our brand of football, as opposed to other teams. And I agree - it's brilliant viewing.

7.) 27 Feb 2018 07:08:38
Man City have in 12 games.

8.) 27 Feb 2018 07:49:13
Brover a see what u mean mate when we have done it in Europe aswell,7 twice. you always get the ones with the big heads trying to upstage you tho. By the way mk case you did notice psg have done it is a piss poor league. Let's enjoy the show the mighty reds are giving us and be happy instead of trying to take the shine of it by mentioning psg and city! We are LFC YNWA.

9.) 27 Feb 2018 08:40:23
{Ed025's Note - not even city? .

City and psg scored 4 or more in 12 games, with psg scoring 6 or more in 4 games.

10.) 27 Feb 2018 13:02:28
Great responses there, lads. I actually did not know that PSG have done so in 12 games BUT as someone said, it is not in the PL and PSG have a multi-million pound team with their front three costing a 350m alone doing it in a league 3 times inferior to the PL. Sorry, but PSG is a non starter.

And NO Ed25, I would not trade our boys or managers for City's. Never going to happen.

Jayden, your response shows you did not get the essence of my OP so I propose you read Hendo Bro's and Preso's posts as they responded to yours much better than I would have.



22 Feb 2018 00:30:13
Hello Reds,

This video chronicles Klopp's arival and some of the very good results we had under him in 15/ 16. As I was watching it, it reminded me of where we were and how far we had coime in really, a prety short time to being way better than what we were back then. We were really good in many games BUT not consistent enough and that can be explained due to him coming in mid season and all the injuries we had to deal with and there was no time for the players to full grasp what he wanted from them.

Fast forward to today and we are indeed a much better team and a much better squad. Even Klopp has gotten better and learned from some of his mistakes and is frankly, still learning from them.

It was the start of a journey and that journey has brought us a hopefully, CL Q-final and are smack in the middle of a battle for 2nd in the PL, something that was unthinkable 2 seasons ago when we finished behind WH and Saints in 8th. We are still on that journey so there will be bumps and head winds along the way hence, let us persevere, continue to build, believe and support our team till the end and I am hopeful that with a bit of luck (I'd rather be lucky than good like Rafa was, really) the trophies we crave will come. This season, maybe? Red Till I'm Dead!


1.) 22 Feb 2018 02:45:00
Great post, great video. Completely agree.

2.) 22 Feb 2018 03:43:16
Love the last paragraph you wrote BRover - I'm pumped, and I'm sat at my work desk having a late lunch!

3.) 22 Feb 2018 08:09:37
Ahh, the days when it looked like Coutinho actually enjoyed scoring for us.

4.) 22 Feb 2018 09:38:25
Rafa was not lucky, he beat the champions of several counties to win the Champions League final with his tactics organisation and single minded attitude.

5.) 22 Feb 2018 12:21:42
That's your opinion, Albeyred and you are welcome to it.

6.) 22 Feb 2018 12:28:45
Preso, glad you like the vid and the last paragraph. In fact, it was inspired by Klopp's final words in the vid where he says we must turn from doubters to believers. To me, a supporter is an eternal optimist who tries to see the positive in everything even tho there aren't any, one who has the courage to support the team and players and manager cos he believes that there will always be a better tomorrow. We should be critical of our team when warranted BUT must always remember what ultimately unites u as fans: The success of LFC.

Klopp is exactly like that, an optimist. Even in failure, he believes that as long as there is life, there is hope. This is why we were able to rise from the proverbial ashes of being 3-0 at Istanbul, staring down the barrel of eternal humiliation, to pick up a trophy that was not even anywhere near our grasp. Those fans gave it their all with a YNWA rendition for the ages at half time and the rest is history. It is this attitude that led us to overcome the debacle at Spurs to now like it or not, be AHEAD of Spurs currently. We must continue to believe as a fan base in our team and manager cos IMO, Klopp is the BEST chance we have of winning the PL or any trophy. God bless!



08 Feb 2018 09:59:23
MK, I just read your article about Hendo and bro, take a bow. That was an unbelievable piece of work, right there. I totally loved it. Not just cos of the way it was written.

It was filled with nuance, context, intelligence, and very clear-eyed. Your full description of Hendo both past and present, is one I fully agree with esp. with the part where when Hendo is taking it slow and controlling possession, the haters say he's sideways passing whereas the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Pep himself, did made a career out of doing that in Barcelona BUT for them, they say they are controlling the tempo. This is why anyone screaming at Hendo to stop sideways passing, needs to take a day off and learn the game of football. All in all, great read my friend. Keep them coming. YNWA!


1.) 08 Feb 2018 10:13:42
Well said BRover, I agree it was a fantastic piece. Looking forward to the Firmino one.

2.) 08 Feb 2018 10:34:24
Cheers lads. Glad you enjoyed the read.

Just to be clear, i have no problem with people
A) thinking Henderson is a bad player
B) thinking Henderson is a bad captain
C) thinking Henderson should be replaced by a better/ fitter player.

However the sideways passing argument needs to stop, frankly. It is total nonsense that makes people look silly. This is a player who in his 5 seasons before switching to a defensive role, matched the likes of Ozil, Silva and De Bruyne in terms of goals he was creating.

Just look at some of his more memorable assists. A 50 yard through ball for Sterling vs Southampton, a 40 yard through ball for Salah vs Spurs, a back heel nut meg assist for Lallana etc. This is not a player who can only play short sideways passes, and when he does do that, he is doing it to change the tempo or switch play.

I will happily listen to arguments about Henderson not being good enough because of his finishing, set pieces, tackling etc. Even his aerial prowess isn't great for a 6ft bloke. He definitely has weaknesses that percent him from being world class.

Passing his not one of his weaknesses though and people are still jumping on the Alan Shearer/ Joe Allen bandwagon with regards to that particular sideways point. When there is an opening for a forward pass to a player who has the time and space to safely receive the ball, Henderson will play a forward pass, and he has done this time and time again. However, he will not try and force a pass that isn't there, or play a team mate into trouble. I don't expect opposition fans to realise this, but the guys who watch him every week should be I'm partial enough to judge him for themselves and see that his weaknesses lie elsewhere.

3.) 08 Feb 2018 10:53:49

Auto correct is a nightmare on a windows phone!

Just remember though lads, everyone is entitled to an opinion if they can back it up with an explanation, and there are some perfectly reasonable arguments as to why some people don't rate Henderson. The sideways point may be mute, but i still cringe watching his corners!

Either way, massively under rated player in general, for me. I'll do a draft on Firmino and see if i think it's worth writing properly. Like Henderson, he is hugely under rated for some reason.

4.) 08 Feb 2018 11:11:15
MK, I don't mind people saying Hendo is a bad player either BUT if your reasons are the same low hanging fruit nonsense of "sideways [passing", "he does not take a game over" (who does that from the #6 position), or that "he lacks the influence of SG" then to me, you are talking porkies and your reasons become irrelevant to me as they lack context and perspective. Every player is flawed and needs to work on their weak points BUT using a "special" bar to rate Hendo knowing fully well, he is not that type of player, is what I find disingenuous and dishonest.

5.) 08 Feb 2018 11:23:49
Great Article MK, a find myself constantly defending Henderson's contribution to the team.

He really is "the engine that could" as you put it. To come back time and time again from injuries like that and slot into the team like he never left. He epitomises the term "True professional" for me.

If any of you get time, take a look at his highlight reel on youtube, I don't say this to try and sway peoples opinions on him but just as point that he has one of the best goal reels I have seen from a player.

6.) 08 Feb 2018 11:36:11
I'll check it out, Nosh.

7.) 08 Feb 2018 12:07:32
The hendo article was brilliant mate, am just looking forward to the Firmino one now MK haha!

8.) 08 Feb 2018 12:14:50
Agreed BRover. Different players and different personalities, playing in different teams.

Thank you for the feedback Noshbag. Have to be honest, i don't think I've seen a Henderson goals compilation. I've seen a YouTube video on him. I may even have shared it on here. But to be honest, i can remember some of his goals clearly.

The one he put in the top corner against Man City at Anfield is my favourite. I was in the stadium that day. £80 well spent, because Coutinho put a cracker in at the other end after half time!

9.) 08 Feb 2018 12:25:38
Cheers Welsh. I started a very similar piece on Craig Bellamy months ago, which i forgot about. Should be completed over the next week or so. May interest you as a Welshman.

Firmino one will take some time as I'll have to research his earlier years. The Henderson stuff almost all came from memory. This is the reason why my brain doesn't have room to remember to Mrs birthday. 30th of February i think?

10.) 08 Feb 2018 12:28:00
Hendo isn't the only midfielder to be maligned with false accusations.

During his time at Bayern, Toni Kroos was known as "Sideways Toni".

The lack of appreciation was one of the reasons he moved on.

11.) 08 Feb 2018 12:28:52
Agree MK - slightly misty eyed but agreed with you post in its entirety, I remember the moment Hendo got that red and I thought ‘oh here we go’ as he was so integral to the momentum we had in midfield in 13/ 14. We looked toothless without him and SG was badly exposed defensively. Even now his game against Citeh showed exactly how his passing from midfield is critical compared to the likes of Gini, Milner or Can (all decent players) .

As for passing and creating chances, I’ve always thought his long passing is vastly under-rated and I would back him 9 times out of 10 to ply a dangerous long ball in behind/ through a defense or out wide above anyone in the squad. He’s also scored his fair share of long range shots (like that vs. Chelsea) and his whipped crosses from midfield to the back post have been the making for more than a few chances. Less so perhaps now stuck at no.6 but he’s more creative and dangerous than any of Milner, Gini or Can.

The only problem I have with him now are (100% agree with you here) is if he’s exposed in midfield with a 1-1 or 2-1 running at him, he doesn’t have the defensive nous of a Kante or similar true defensive mid to break down play. He needs midfielders ahead of him doing their jobs right so he can press before the player has time to turn and run at him. He’s not the best tackler in the world once the player has turned.

Likewise his injuries are a real problem for the squad for consistency, hopefully he can shake the bad run he’s had and his and Keita can form a solid partnership together next season.

12.) 08 Feb 2018 12:41:20
I did not know that travellingmike! Shocking really. Kroos was fantastic even at Bayern. Thank you for that interesting insight though mate. Says it all about the false accusations!

Very good post SGred. Agree with it all. I'm glad I'm not the only one to pick up on Henderson's weakness when people run at him. That is why i personally would've liked a destroyer alongside him. It would also give Henderson the freedom to play 10-20 yards further forward when we are in possession.

I highly doubt Klopp will change his system though so as you say, we just need to get better players ahead of him than Milner, Can and Wijnaldum so that his weakness isn't exposed and he can focus on what he is good at. I think he could be great with Keita too. Keita is very clever with regards to tactical fouls, which should in theory stop opposition players getting a free run at Henderson on a regular basis. Fingers crossed.

13.) 08 Feb 2018 12:51:58
Great read on Hendo MK, glad I wasn’t on the beers tonight and could stay focused enough to get through it!

14.) 08 Feb 2018 13:49:00
Cheers Swish 😂.

15.) 08 Feb 2018 14:43:30
MK, thought that Hendo s best ever goal was the long range shot V Chelsea away, went into the top right hand, goalie had no chance . brilliant goal .

16.) 08 Feb 2018 18:40:42
No-one's mentioned the Everton legend, Vinny Samways.

17.) 08 Feb 2018 22:39:57
Did I just read someone compare Iniesta with Jordan Henderson? Give me a break. That little bald headed Spaniard is nowhere near as good as our captain 🙄 😂.

18.) 09 Feb 2018 11:19:56
The faster we get rid of hendo the better. Forget his 'controlling the game, slow tempo, sideways passing' he adds nothing to our team from a captain's point of view. He doesn't have the ability to influence a game or our players when we need it most. I could handle his lethargic looking running and sideways passing but I can't stand to see him wearing that captain's armband when he is clearly not captain material.

19.) 09 Feb 2018 11:40:57
Yeah well said mk. I know stats can be mis leading but hendo's stats put him in the top 15 cms on Europe. If he is not a world class cm he is mot far off it.



07 Feb 2018 19:30:10
Yo Ed, were we ever interested in Kerem Demirbay of Hoff in Jan? Cheers.


{Ed002's Note - No, he was never going to move in January.}




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19 Mar 2018 18:04:33
I would take Ndidi tomorrow as he is very good and LFC fans will have a good chance to assess him as he will be on duty with Nigeria at the WC. Now will LC sell? That is another issue as Ed02 has said.




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12 Feb 2018 14:24:57
Lemar is not worth the 90m they are asking for which is why Klopp reportedly has walked away and frankly, I agree with him.




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28 Jan 2018 22:15:09
No Ron, it was not aimed at you BUT stop blaming Klopp for a Mane issue that may or may not be an issue as you know as mush as I do about what really happened with both men vs Chelsea, which is NOTHING.




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28 Jan 2018 19:23:58
Or you could support Mane during his sticky patch BUT I know that will be way too hard as it is way easier to bring someone down than build them up. Shameless!




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07 Jan 2018 22:14:48
My sentiments exactly, Brisbane.





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19 Mar 2018 21:16:35
Deisered, spot on. Rafa's time had run it's course and Rick Parry has committed a lot of sins during his time at LFC BUT I will be forever grateful for not letting that classless, poisonous bully at the Toilet, anywhere near our club at the time.




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19 Mar 2018 21:12:42
Mark, what are you on about? Can was everyone's scapegoat including BR's, until Klopp came. He was nowhere near the German setup and now under Klopp, he is on his way to Russia and will get minutes at the WC. Did I also mention that he won the Confed Cup last summer?

Players like Lallana, Lovren, Milner, Hendo (in a diff. position b4 his injuries), Bobbie, Origi (before his nasty injury) and even Moreno. That is a shed load of players I just mentioned right there. And even the good players like Mane, Wiji, Robbo, Salah, Ox, Karius have ALL improved under him.

Now, will some be kept and others let go? Of course. But to say Klopp has not improved players is patently false. And for good measure, Klopp will NOT be doing any huge clear outs in the summer either cos you can't revamp half a squad in one window. Whether that means we will challenge for the title or not, we will see so just chill out and allow the process to play out.


{Ed025's Note - i stopped reading when you came out with "good players like wiji" brover, hes bloody awful mate and im all for sticking up for your own players but lets keep it real..



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19 Mar 2018 21:02:22
Ed, I just don't think he is any better than the guys we have now who actually score more goals, have better touch and technique and are more versatile than Martial is. I just don't think he is any better than our boys, that's all.

Smeg, I disagree. I know Mou is poison to young players BUT that does not remove from the fact that Martial is not good enough to start for us as that is what he would be coming here to do where he to come, something you have agreed to in your post. We are making almost the same point.




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19 Mar 2018 17:59:42
I always knew that we would miss Lucas when he was gone. It is true when they say, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone".




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19 Mar 2018 17:46:41
KK, I would not want that poison of a manager at LFC no matter what second rate trophy (his words, not mine) he wins. He is simply a cancer wherever he goes now and tho he'll win a trophy here and there, I would gladly not have him anywhere near LFC cos the Trump-like baggage he brings is poison and causes destruction wherever he goes and after all types of turbulence at this club for the past decade, I would just like a period where we all go out, cheer our team with no drama post game.