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07 Dec 2017 08:07:26
Question for ed001, when we play like we did last night do we force defences into errors or is it fear that they make the errors.

i can't tell if its us cuasing that or if they cause it themselves.

thanks.

Scarry Houser

{Ed001's Note - both. We forced some of the errors, some they made themselves because they expected to be closed down so rushed their passes.}


1.) 07 Dec 2017 08:34:48
Mane won the ball back for 2 of our goals.


2.) 07 Dec 2017 08:58:14
thanks for the quick reply ed.

I no our defence get a lot of critisism and a lot of the time rightly so, but there are so few top quality defenders around now a days that with our attack we could be competative in both the prem and cl. With every new generation there seems to be an obsession with being a new way of playing and im not sure its for the better this time. Most fullbacks are no longer full backs but second wingers, and most centre backs are now just deep lying playmakers.

countless times i see cb's look surprised that a ball is played in behind and there is no one there, like it wasnt there job to be there and defend that. Its like the old motto for the back 4 was defend 1st support the attack if you can, the new motto is attack 1st defend if you can.

{Ed001's Note - it worries me too mate, people have forgotten that there are more ways to win than having the ball. You can defend by actually defending, rather than keeping the ball. It is about time people took a more balanced approach.}


 

 

06 Dec 2017 11:09:57
Its no secret we need a new Centre back. But some of the names being mentioned don't make sense to me.

We are definatly going to need to spend big and make this a priority, But that really doesn't mean to buy a big name.

We need a cb who is a leader for a start so while dayot? and manolas are very good are they leaders/ organisers? is de vrij?

We need someone who knows what there doing who can walk into our defence and lead it, A sort of captain of the defence like sakho was.

Most cb's of this quality will not be for sale unless we go as big as the neymar fee. but there is 1 in my opinion who is all of those things and not as expensive.

Soi take my hat off to MK scouser who has been banging the drum of Ben Gibson for a long time now. no he isn't a fancy name, but he is a leader who will keep his cb partner on his toes just like carra did, And i think he would partner de vrij really well as long as karius/ ward is in goal.

What do you reds think. Surely a leader is one of the most important qualities we need now.

Scarry Houser

{Ed002's Note - The club has players in mind and certainly there is no centre back that will be costing anything like the fee that was paid for Neymar. You need to forget the financial matters completely.}


1.) 06 Dec 2017 11:25:11
Sorry ed i didn't mean any centre back, i was referring to the top centre backs like varane who will cost quite a lot for real to even consider selling, a lot of the players we are looking at won't cost that but not very many are leaders either.

{Ed002's Note - You are a million miles away with your ideas about costs.}


2.) 06 Dec 2017 11:47:42
Completely agree mate. There are lots of good leaders about but it is a quality which seems to have been consigned to being a thing of the past. Everyone wants fast ball playing centre backs nowadays. Mertesacker can't get a game for Arsenal but every time he plays Arsenal look more solid.

Though i will add, De Vrij is very much a leader. He was captain of Feynoord at about 20 years old, and he calls the shots in his Lazio backline.

Gibson does seem to have lost his way a bit this season, but put him next to a player like Matip or Lovren who have ability but no intelligence, and i personally think Gibson would thrive. He's wasted in the Championship. He isn't alone though. The Wolves, Cardiff and Barnsley captains are all very solid defensive leaders. Even in the Premier League you have Mee, Lascelles and Evans who are all excellent leaders at the back, but go completely undet the radar.

It's a travesty. British football has tried so hard to mimic it's exotic counterparts, that it has forgotten it's roots. We've long produced some of the best centre backs in the game. Just 15 years ago we had Adams, Keown, Terry, Campbell, Ferdinand, Carragher and King. Now look at it. Stones, Maguire and Keane? But at least they can pass out from the back, right?

It's a massive shame. The art of defending is generally lost on the top of the European game. Wing backs, sweeper keepers, deep lying playmakers and ball playing centre backs are the new order. It's exciting, but it not good for the heart when you're watching your own team!


3.) 06 Dec 2017 12:33:00
Germany Italy pretty much changed the game with regards to defending, they are solid, can play out of from the back, just because the current crop of English CB have not been great doesn’t mean we are trying to continentalise our selves. We rely too much on this belief in ‘heart’ and ‘bravery’ when in reality if we embraced more aspects for European defending perhaps we’d do better in European competitions instead of turning to stoke like tactics. If the art of defending is taking the ball and the man it’s no wonder we’re so far behind the top nations.


4.) 06 Dec 2017 12:37:31
Mk, I have kept an eye out for Ben Gibson, since he dropped down a division, one thing, is that he doesn't seem to miss a game, he is a Leader, solid, he would have jumped at the move to Liverpool, not sure that he has the class for us, but he would be an improvement on what we have right now .


5.) 06 Dec 2017 13:48:03
Barnes, the art of defending is keeping the ball out of your net. Therefore traits such as heart, desire, leadership, tactical awareness, bravery etc are always going to be more valuable than pace and being good on the ball.

Italy and Germany are shocking examples. The last Germany team to win anything had Per Mertesacker leading the defence. Also, Portugal won the last tournament with Carvalho, Pepe and Fonte.

The best defensive club teams in Europe last season were Juventus who had Chiellini and Barzagli, and Athletico who had Godin.

English football has this ridiculous habit of trying so hard to replicate the success of European football, that it is forgetting what allowed us to compete with them. Sometimes you need a Carragher to just stick the boot in and deliberately follow through. All the best teams win trophies consistently with a pure defender. Real Madrid have gone to pieces without Pepe at the back. Varane and Ramos are better players on paper, but they don't defend with as much passion or intelligence and that has made Real Madrid soft.

We will never know if some of our more pure defenders in the Championship would've been good enough, because everybody is too focused on the ball playing centre back (who got caught out of position and rushed back to make a highlight reel sliding tackle) . Nobody cares about the guy who just stayed in position and made a solid tackle without going to ground. It's not exciting.


6.) 06 Dec 2017 13:56:41
ED2 do you still think Liverpool vastly overpaid for Firmino? Not starting beef, just curious.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool paid €16M more than his release clause which no one else would pay. You do the math.}


7.) 06 Dec 2017 14:05:30
Didn't know that ED2 which is why I asked, I only knew you said they overpaid.

{Ed002's Note - so there we go.}


8.) 06 Dec 2017 14:14:20
we overpayed but thankfully for us he's been a success. Mane and Salah seemed a lot of money at the time but again it's worked out for us. On the flip side we have markivic who cost a bundle and was never really used the same seems to be happening with Robertson, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.


9.) 06 Dec 2017 15:05:49
Gibson may be a leader but he is definitely a poor defender.
Forget watching him in the championship he was rubbish in the premier league- always out of position, following the ball not anticipating and often beaten in the air.

He has found his level and is not a premier league defender AT ALL.


10.) 06 Dec 2017 15:44:49
Hey Ron. Completely disagree that he was always out of position and lacking anticipation. I won't argue that he loses a lot of aerial duels though. It's one of his blind spots. Though it's worth nothing the man he marks rarely scores because he does enough to make the header difficult for them.

I don't think he is a great individual, but he does get the best out of those around him. The main risk would be that Middlesbrough play a deep and narrow defence. Therefore he is rarely isolated against an attacker. It's impossible to know how he'd cope with being isolated in a team playing more expansively. He'd either sink or float.


11.) 06 Dec 2017 17:41:43
Every time I watched him I thought his positioning was awful.
IMO he'd sink like a concrete elephant. At very best he's a big big risk which automatically rules him out for me.

We need confident and competent defenders to improve IMO.


12.) 06 Dec 2017 18:30:12
Shawcross is an example of what people would call and English’s defender, clumsy, not intelligent enough to make up for his lack of positional sense, even lovren can be quite physical. I think it’s players for systems but there is no denying that the more continental style is the more successful system, having a dog at the back works if you have players around then to do the fancy work. I think it’s more about the partnership than one being dogged, Pepe was class with Ramos a great partnership, would Pepe and matip work even half as good? Puyol and pique, one of each but puyol had a good brain on him, partnership worked great, but it’s finding the right partnership. People forget that def lender need ton have a brain too, the amount of concentration it take so to be positionally aware and prepared for 90 minutes is a lot, something our defenders lack. A hard dogged defender would only work well if we had that comfortable player who can step out and rely on the other player being able to cover him/ sweep up. Has anybody seen enough of Masterson to give a real non biased opinion because sadly I haven’t for the past few months and so can’t really say, does he have a future here or another jay spearing?


13.) 06 Dec 2017 18:34:07
If we do sign someone in Jan then I hope we don’t write them off if they have an initial shocker especially if he is bought in from abroad, look at Vidic as an example struggled a bit initially but had the right mentality to succeed in the long term. Nowadays your written off after 2 bad games but whoever we bring in may need some time to adjust to the demands of the league.


 

 

04 Dec 2017 10:32:31
Just for abit of fun.

With the talk of needing a CB and someone to replace coutinho, Who would you rather have In There Prime.

CB - Cannavaro or Maldini

MFC - Iniesta or D. Silva

DM - Makalele or Alonso

GK - Buffon or Schmeical

Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

Ed001 care to give your opinion also.

Thanks.

Scarry Houser

{Ed001's Note - Maldini is easy, he was much better. Same with Iniesta, who is one of the best of all time. Alonso could do everything Makalele did plus pass and shoot, no contest, Xabi was light years ahead. The keepers is difficult, Buffon struggled with a back problem in his prime though so I will have to go with Schmeichel, so long as it means Peter and not his average son Kasper.}


1.) 04 Dec 2017 10:45:16
I would say Buffon but aside from that i agree with Ed001.


2.) 04 Dec 2017 10:56:22
Maldini, Iniesta, Alonso and Buffon.


3.) 04 Dec 2017 11:02:53
Maldini, inesta, along on, Schmeichel.


4.) 04 Dec 2017 11:08:02
Um, I'd go with makalele and I'm probably alone on this. I think alonso was a wonderful player but makalele for me reinvented the midfield role. Schmeichel is the best keeper I've ever seen and maldini is head and shoulders above anyone else. Great post scarry.


5.) 04 Dec 2017 10:53:45
haha yes i mean peter ed. I wasn't surprised with your choice for CB or DM, keeper tbh at there best would have been happy to flip a coin and take who ever i got they was both quality. But i was abit surprised about Silva not getting more consideration, I no how highly you rate him.

However if we had peter in net, maldini cannavaro defence, xabi and makalele protecting them with iniesta creating for our current front three me and you could play full backs ed and we'd still win the league with that team lol.

{Ed001's Note - Silva is a great but Iniesta is one of the greatest.}


6.) 04 Dec 2017 11:29:25
Makele for all those who has a playmaker by his side. Xabi is Love. Pure divine ❤️❤️❤️. Happens to be a football fan and he is the BEST EVER holding mid in my eyes!


7.) 04 Dec 2017 16:38:58
I'd take a Reina, Carragher, Alonso and Gerrard in their prime please.


8.) 04 Dec 2017 17:29:57
Oh I don't know Dave, I loved Reina and he was incredible for us in his prime but I think I'd still have gone for PS or Buffon.


9.) 04 Dec 2017 19:35:41
Buffon, Maldini, Alonso and Iniesta. As for Iniesta Ed, many believe that Messi has never been the best player at Barca. The best? Andres Iniesta a. k. a La Ilusionista (The Ghost) . IMO, he is the better player, hands down.


 

 

02 Dec 2017 19:17:09
what would everyone think of playing gomez right cb, lovren left cb, can in the middle to bring the ball out, let trent an moreno be wingbacks, have hendo lallana/ gini with the energy in the middle then a from three of mane/ salah, bobby/ couts?

it allows our front 3 to stay high as the back 5 will help the 2 cms win the ball back, plus we'd have more width without worrying about being exposed on the counter.

Scarry Houser

1.) 02 Dec 2017 22:16:49
Not for me. Still like the hybrid 4 at the back which can be a 3 when Gomez plays RB. Klopp only played this system due to injuries and personel issues. We simply do not have the right personnel to play it cos our CB's bar Gomez cannot defend in wide areas whichh is what you need cos at Chelsea, Azpi was a fullback turned CB and so were Toby, Vertonghen and Dier. This allows them the ability to defend in space cos you are required to do that as a fullback. We don't have such players.


2.) 02 Dec 2017 23:39:57
If we do three at the back, the two either side need more pace and ability on the ball, and the middle to be an organiser. Playing In a three it is easy to lose markers as you think someone will be there. Lovren and matip are not leaders. Maybe can could play left centre half and Gomez right, if someone came in in Jan.


 

 

30 Nov 2017 11:39:59
Im honestly not sure if i want firmino to score more goals or not. i mean on one hand it would be nice to have a 20/ 25 goal a season striker and his work ethic deserves it but on the other hand his celebrations? there pretty dreadfull tbh lol.

Scarry Houser

1.) 30 Nov 2017 12:28:20
To be fair to Firmino, how many times this season could he have put it in the net, but left it to others? There was one where he and Salah kicked it at the same time and Salah got credited. There was yesterday night when he could have hammered it home on the line but shielded it over the line instead etc.

Not to mention how many times he has decided to put it on a plate for someone else instead of shooting.

If he was selfish he could have about 15 goals already. As it is, he has managed 9 anyway despite being a really good team player. I couldn't care less how many he scores. Salah has 17 anyway so who needs a striker like Aguero, Kane or Lukaku who can't even get near Salah despite taking penalties every week? 😉.


2.) 30 Nov 2017 12:42:06
ha ha yea, what are his celebrations about? is it some dance craze? i thought maybe he was doing a drunk elvis? and then there was that time he loosened his shorts? lol any clues people?


3.) 30 Nov 2017 12:47:19
Agree. I think I saw mane asking Firmino to leave the ball yesterday even though he was just shielding the ball over the line. got to love Firmino! Also heard he has a bonus for every one of his goals/ assists in his contract, which makes his selflessness even more impressive!


4.) 30 Nov 2017 14:13:14
Firmino is only an average player to fans who don't understand the game. or just look for scorers name. The man is brilliant his touch his vision, movement, work rate and most of all as stated above his selflessness.


5.) 30 Nov 2017 15:13:04
Love his celebrations personally.


6.) 30 Nov 2017 15:23:19
Completely agree with Adam, Firmino's unselfishness is one of his biggest virtues as he will actively look to bring others into the game and, in attack, we are better for having him in the team. Got a lot of time for Firmino, hope he keeps grafting.


7.) 30 Nov 2017 17:27:28
Spot on, Adam. Don't really care about the 25 goal a season striker as that is just a fallacy. We score goals as a team and as individuals and if we can keep clean sheets more consistently, we are capable of winning next to every game we play as next to NO team that can keep us out when we are on form.

Firmino is one of of the most intelligent or technically gifted individual players in the PL. Those who know football know this. Ed01 once said that Pep loves Firmino as he plays the way he would want Aguero to play. Now that is some praise. Underrate Firmino at the peril of losing lots of credibility on your football knowledge cos trust me, he is that good and as Ed01 said, he is too good for LFC and we need players all over the pitch at his level. Salah is a good start. Brilliant player and for someone that talented and gifted, he is as selfless a striker/ forward as you will NEVER find.


8.) 30 Nov 2017 17:43:49
The best thing about Firmino (apart from his selflessness) is his ability to form an understanding with literally every player in our forward line. Mane, Salah, Solanke, Ox. All have benefitted from playing along side Bobby. He makes their jobs easier.


9.) 30 Nov 2017 18:52:11
made a joke about firmino's celebrations, got verbally beaten up.


Okay, ill get me coat lol.


10.) 30 Nov 2017 19:21:16
He's not that good. But he's a workhorse and is our best centre forward. I think Mane, Salah and Coutinho are better than him.


 

 

 

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29 Sep 2017 13:53:32
i agree with you Ed on not paying more money as we already have an agreement. But i do question those who are not convinced that he is worth what we paid for him especially in todays market. I think he is performing better in the german league than pogba was in the italian league and we're getting keita for almost half that price for a player playing in a better league and not playing for the run away best team.

Not making this about man utd or pogba just using a comparison of players in the same position, same market ect. infact id also say none of our current cm's barring coutinho could have the same impact at a team like RBL as keita.

for me coutinho, firmino, mane and keita is the quality of player needed to win things, will give salah time but very impressed with him also.

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{Ed002's Note - It is a long way from half the price and Keita performances are very inconsistent.}


 

 

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28 Sep 2017 19:23:22
IF and that's a big if klopp leaves id like the german coach lowe, id love poch tbh rbl manager or go big for simeone.

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14 Dec 2017 11:56:34
To be honest MK i really enjoy reading your articles so id be happy to read them if your doing a series. Or even if you want to choose your own series like Ed001 has done with the legends list or the history of Liverpool managers list. But you should definitely be doing articles on a regular basis as its some of the best content on the site mate.

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12 Dec 2017 11:33:34
I get what your doing Salah mate, Yes ed will write a legends article about you, You deserve it. Heard both messi and ronaldo have pics of you on there wall.

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11 Dec 2017 19:31:08
any chance you can use this crystal ball you have to tell us how are season will go. FA Cup, CL, Prem?

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10 Dec 2017 12:52:53
listen lads just give the ball to firmino, coutinho, mane or salah the rest of you just defend.

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07 Dec 2017 08:58:14
thanks for the quick reply ed.

I no our defence get a lot of critisism and a lot of the time rightly so, but there are so few top quality defenders around now a days that with our attack we could be competative in both the prem and cl. With every new generation there seems to be an obsession with being a new way of playing and im not sure its for the better this time. Most fullbacks are no longer full backs but second wingers, and most centre backs are now just deep lying playmakers.

countless times i see cb's look surprised that a ball is played in behind and there is no one there, like it wasnt there job to be there and defend that. Its like the old motto for the back 4 was defend 1st support the attack if you can, the new motto is attack 1st defend if you can.

Scarry Houser

{Ed001's Note - it worries me too mate, people have forgotten that there are more ways to win than having the ball. You can defend by actually defending, rather than keeping the ball. It is about time people took a more balanced approach.}