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30 May 2019 16:58:53
Sorry if it's something you've touched upon recently but how is the interest in players we are looking to off load or themselves looking to leave. Moreno, mignolet, Grujic, Sturridge, Lallana, Clyne, Ings I presume will go through. Or any other players I haven't mentioned. Thanks for all the work I presume transfer season will really kick in and get silly after the final.

Ibiza Red

{Ed002's Note - (a) Benfica want Morena as their first choice is proving hard to get and Fenerbahce are keen - Lazio have moved on to another target, as have Napoli. (b) Bounemouth, Norwich and Brugge could be priced out of a move. (c) Hertha, Torino and Werder Bremen want loans as Liverpool have priced him out of a sale. (d) Nothing firm but interest from Australia. (e) Nothing firm. (f) Clyne is of interest to Bournemouth, Napoli and West Ham if the price is reasonable. (g) I would think so. (h) There are loads of others as the club are now looking to buy success as the academy players like Connor Randall, Harry Wilson, Juanma, Masterson, Whelan, Allan, Tagseth, Ojo, Kent, Adekanye, Awonyi etc. no longer are see as a fit for the club.}

1.) 30 May 2019 19:55:54
Get them Marquee players in!

2.) 30 May 2019 19:33:17
Thanks for the reply. Do you feel any of the youngsters given time could push for positions in the squad if not starting 11. Or do you feel Liverpool are trying to capitalize on their position at the moment by signing players that may be more interested in joining us now than they may have a few years ago and this will be at the cost of the youth being given time and opportunity.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have seemingly given up on the youngsters.}

3.) 30 May 2019 21:05:43
Apart from Trent, Gomez and Brewster.

4.) 30 May 2019 21:16:32
And Hoever.

5.) 30 May 2019 21:21:29
I think it’s difficult and sad at the same time, sad because I do agree with Ed002 we have moved away from that youth development.

But it I think given the issues with money in the game “buying” success seems to be a solution, as much as I’d like to see us push youth the demand for success is ruining that.

6.) 30 May 2019 23:00:35
Liverpool and Klopp have not moved away from youth development.

As the club gets more successful a product if this is of course that it is harder for a younger player to find a position within the squad. Youth recruitment and development within the u23s and u18s must keep up to meet the demands required by the management team.

We have a player that will be part of the first team squad next season that could meet these demands in Rhian Brewster. Others mentioned also have a shot.

1 player every 2 seasons good enough to impact a squad like ours from our support setup is a massive achievement.

7.) 30 May 2019 23:24:29
Current first team players Gomez and TAA. if the kids are good enough they will get the chance.

8.) 31 May 2019 07:36:06
We are now a club that's competing at the top end of the Premiership and Champions league, so to bring players through the Academy they have to be special. TAA is proof that if they are good enough they will get an opportunity.
All the top clubs have a similar view. did the final the other day have any players brought through their own system?
We are still trying to bring young players through, or buy young players we can develop, that are better than the young players we already have.
I am with Ed02 on the opinion that Paying 70 million on players to compete for a place in the team is madness.
Look at Gini after coming on against Barcelona, he said he was angry with Klopp because he was on the bench and he has come out again and said he will be angry if he doesn't start on Saturday.
It his great that he has that in his make up and wants to play, but eventually he will want to leave, than become a bit part player.

9.) 31 May 2019 08:05:59
Plenty of clubs spend money on players, Liverpool are far from alone in that.

10.) 31 May 2019 07:23:23
Juanama was thought highly 2 years back. Now he is on the way out? . Ed001 can you give insight on this?

{Ed001's Note - he suffered injuries and never reached his potential or hasn't yet anyway.}

11.) 31 May 2019 08:57:41
Liverpool's development of young players has been good, but not necessarily good enough to get many of them into our starting 11-17. If it helps us generate funds through player sales which can then be used to help recruit higher class players it has done its job hasn't it? Not the preferred outcome of course, (I know we'd all love to have a team made up of 5/ 6 homegrown heroes like the gerrard / carra / Fowler / Owen / Stevie Mc. era) but not a bad return.

12.) 31 May 2019 09:00:59
like its your money.

13.) 31 May 2019 10:34:30
I like the idea of buying the league, but just a shame for us that other clubs have done it better than us. so far anyways . . .

14.) 31 May 2019 10:36:17
I think we are developing players quite well to be sold to fund the first team, examples

Ibe to Bournemouth
Smith to Bournemouth
Solanke to Bournemouth
Stewart to Hull
Danny Ward to Leicester
Andre Wisdom to Derby

Who would have thought that lot would net close to 60,000,000 in sales? It would be preferred to see them succeed at LFC but none of the above have turned out to be stars since leaving.

15.) 31 May 2019 12:23:52
If there good enough they will make it, a lot can change between youth football and mens.

16.) 31 May 2019 12:56:28
Make it a rule that squad sizes (for over 21’s) are to be reduced to 16/ 17 players and that way the kids will be alright. None of this stockpiling malarkey and teams spending huge amounts on reserves. Can’t see a sensible fan in the land not being up for that.

17.) 31 May 2019 13:32:43
Its pretty simple unfortunately - every year a new bunch of youngsters will come through, but once players mature and join the first team, players can play for Liverpool for many years if they’re good enough. Simple maths means that not many can make it into the first team as opportunities are few and far between.

Pair that with the fact that many juniors will lose their way (eg. simply not good enough, their first pro contract goes to their head, they don’t grow physically, the learn to enjoy partying over training etc. ) then only a very few kids will ever be good enough to play for one of the largest teams in the world.

I don’t think Liverpool are giving up on youth at all as we’ve seen from Trent, Gomez, Brewster. if they were good enough (and lucky enough) then they’ll get their shot. It’s just very few will ever get the chances for many valid reasons.

18.) 31 May 2019 14:21:43
King Carlos. You've forgotten Jerome Sinclair. Didn't we also get a few million for him?

19.) 31 May 2019 20:51:36
Danny Wilson too. I remember he was tipped to be the next big CB.

20.) 03 Jun 2019 00:37:18
the problem with being a top tier team is that the youth players will get less chances to prove themselves on a regular basis unless there is extraordinary talent.

i still see a good point in recruiting and developing youngsters and then sell them on for a profit.



28 Nov 2018 10:49:13
Morning Ed's. Is there anything on Milner being offered a new contract or do you expect him to be offered one and what sort of length. Milner strikes me as the sort of player that would leave to guarantee first team football rather than sit on a bench. But with his versatility/ professionalism let alone his performances over the last 12-18 months I hope he signs a new deal.
Are there any foreign based players out of contract in the summer that would be of interest to Liverpool at all?

Ibiza Red

{Ed002's Note - I would expect that Liverpool will sit down and explain to Milner that his opportunities will be limited and perhaps Camacho will be integrated in to midfield. That might give him the opportunity to return to Leeds perhaps. I am not aware of any out of contract players being considered.}

1.) 28 Nov 2018 16:10:47
I would be gutted to see Milner leave - but I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity to leave and continue playing first team football well into his thirties. as long as it's not with one of our direct rivals ;-)

2.) 28 Nov 2018 17:26:50
I hope both he and the club decide for him to stick around for a year or two. He will be missed if he decides to leave.

3.) 28 Nov 2018 22:11:50
Ed isn't Camacho more of a winger than a midfielder in a 3, would of thought Curtis Jones being primed for that midfield 3 position as it's more of a natural position for him than Camacho, I like Camacho though want too see more of him .

{Ed002's Note - It was an example - most of the kids stand little or no chance of progressing.)

4.) 07 Dec 2018 21:00:04
based on early season form, surely JM is worthy of a one year extension no?



02 Aug 2018 04:37:58
Sorry Ed's I appreciate you get asked this god knows how many times a day but is there much update on outgoing players. There seems plenty of media speculation about mignolet, and there was a few bits about Ings to Palace but with them close to Meyer and signing Kayoute do they still have the funds to sign players and pay the wages. We seem overloaded up front and unfortunately Solanke, Ings, Origi just don't seem good enough to make an impact for us or ever challenge for a starting position.

Ibiza Red

{Ed002's Note - Ings is certainly on his way out and others will follow.}

1.) 02 Aug 2018 09:54:23
Thanks Ed, looking forward to seeing Allison make his debut against Roma.

2.) 02 Aug 2018 10:25:15
Alisson's debut will be against Napoli.

3.) 02 Aug 2018 11:55:13
Sorry yea on sat got the teams mixed up.

4.) 02 Aug 2018 12:21:50
I thought markovic could leave for free this summer if a deal wasn't agreed last January, but I'm seeing reports of loans and possible sale. Or am I mistaken?

5.) 02 Aug 2018 18:45:48
Hey ed02. You said that Ings was interesting Palace so off the back of that I put 10 pounds on him at 10-1 to do so. If he does move there I will put 20 pounds of my winnings to your fav charity if you can let me know what it is. Thanks (in advance if he does)

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Robbie but I really don’t want to be encouraging gambling at all.}

6.) 02 Aug 2018 19:26:54
No understand that and I wasn’t suggesting others do. Apologies if that has upset anybody. Thanks for the great job you guys do.

7.) 02 Aug 2018 22:22:07
Robbie what a great idea. Can’t see anything wrong with you taking a punt on a bet and wanting to share the success. Massive fan of Dementia UK as I think it’s an illness that always goes a miss in Consideration of the spectrum and charity hands outs. I’m sure many would agree and many families effected by this.

If people are gambling for fun (after all isent every transfer a gamble) and want to give money away to good causes can’t see anything wrong with that.

When the fun stops stop :) great gesture Robbie!



05 Jan 2018 10:49:16
Morning eds. I know we can't sign everyone but I've seen we've been linked with or suggested that Draxler would be a good fit to replace Couts, but how about Lucas Moura, if rumours are true he's available. He seems s good player with a lot of pace that suits liverpools style of play, any interest at all and do you feel he could work in our team?
Thanks for all the work you guys do.

Ibiza Red

1.) 05 Jan 2018 12:01:37
I want Lemar because that is who Klopp clearly wants. I also think he is a quality player with big potential.

2.) 05 Jan 2018 13:09:31
Lucas moura is the Brazilian Theo Walcott. Direct, pacey but inconsistent and with more hype than end product. Not worth it IMO.

3.) 05 Jan 2018 14:32:52
I think he didn't settle in Europe. Still think he's a better player than the one we've seen at psg. Though maybe not the player many people see in FIFA.




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04 Mar 2020 06:41:37
First of all congratulations to Chelsea second half they were by far the better team. The young lad had a great game as did Giroud and Willian whilst he was on always looked dangerous.
As for Liverpool. First half was fairly even but it was clear to see where the changes needed to be made. Then after the first 5 minutes of the second half nothing changed. But Klopp decided to ignore it until it was too late. Unfortunately except for 1 pass to Mane Minamino just looked like he had no idea what was going on. Origi was awful his touch and decision making. And Lallana maybe had a decent 10 minutes in the first half but otherwise he was completely over run in midfield his persistent turning with the ball cost us possession countless times. Fabinho wasnt great but he obviously had far more responsibility than normal with Lallana next to him and origi and minamino not providing the defensive cover in front of him that Salah and Firmino do so well.
We were short of ideas second half nobody willing to take a shot on.
By the time Klopp made the changes it was too late and why he took Jones off who had been our best midfielder left me scratching my head. I understand Klopp changing the team for this game even though I would rather have seen it stronger. But if you have the players on the bench you have to use them.
The ironic thing is that since the winter break which Klopp wanted so badly we have been terrible. Lucky against Norwich and west ham. No goal in our 3 defeats. Need a big win against Bournemouth now to get some confidence in before Atletico otherwise with the league essentially in the bag our season could be over by next week and well wishing we had the FA Cup to play for.

Ibiza Red

1.) 04 Mar 2020 07:49:28
Fabinho always seems to take a while to get his touch when he comes back from injury or break. Lallana just charging about everywhere like a headless chicken leaving massive gaps behind him. Early days for Minamino I'd say he's trying to fill in for Bobby playing that role that no one else can play like Bobby. Will take a while to learn. Origi is struggling when you'd hope he'd be fit and raring to go. struggling without Hendo calming things down and motivating the lads. Hope this turns around coz going out to athletico now would be pretty sad.

2.) 04 Mar 2020 07:55:24
What was the formation last night, were Lallana and Fabinho sitting together?
Not entirely sure, it looked all over the place.

{Ed001's Note - Lallana was absolutely horrific last night. I am quite sure he did not know what formation we were playing either! That was a big worry, that Klopp seems to turn to him so often when he has been so bad all season apart from scoring against United. It is becoming apparent that him leaving will be doing us a favour, which is a shame as he had started playing really well before his injury problems began. He needs to be playing regularly to get back to form and he just isn't going to get regular starts with us.}

3.) 04 Mar 2020 08:10:06
Unfortunately last night Lallana reminds me of a 50 year old playing football with his mates on a Saturday afternoon. His touch is still there and he has the odd shimmy in there, but apart from that completely ineffective. He would look good in a highlight reel or a 2 minute YouTube video but if you watched the whole game you would be asking what he was trying to achieve.

I have to say VVD wasnt that hot either, for his standards. I know he usually cruises around as if the game is easy but last night he seemed to be a touch lethargic, Saturday also.

4.) 04 Mar 2020 09:37:04
Interesting situation now that just came to mind. If the players had been feeling no pressure at all (or as they were saying) during the unbeaten run, how does it feel for them now, I wonder, after two consecutive defeats? Is it the reverse situation? Do they feel loads of pressure and are now in the frame of mind of "the League is ours but if we don't win the UCL, people will say we're not that good"?



07 Feb 2020 12:43:55
Not that its a surprise but with news coming out that Lallana won't be offered a new contract as he wants more football (fair play to him as he could easily sit on the bench and win medals) which clubs do you see coming in for him. I know Bournemouth were mentioned before but could their position put him off. Which sides do you feel he could walk into and make positive contribution. Shame his last injury took it away from him as sure before he was names englands player of the year. Somewhere like Arsenal? Or back to Southampton? Rangers even.

Ibiza Red

1.) 07 Feb 2020 13:10:38
I think he could offer a lot to arsenal and if I were them I'd be doing all I can to make it happen. They lack passion in the middle of the park - he can offer that.
They lack creativity in the middle - he can offer that.
They need homegrown talent - got that.

I think its a no brainer. I think spurs would've been a good fit a couple of years ago but with winks and la celsio they seem well covered.

Whatever happens with Adam lallana, he's been a fantastic part of our squad in recent years. I'm sure everyone would thank him dearly and wish him all the best. Deserves a premier league medal imo. And will leave lfc with a nice little collection of medals.

2.) 07 Feb 2020 15:08:16
He could improve Everton immensely.
But I suspect he will go to a bigger club like Newcastle.

{Ed001's Note - he is an Everton fan.}

3.) 07 Feb 2020 15:41:29
Or he may leave England to USA, China, Italy . the world is his oyster .

{Ed001's Note - I would expect Inter Miami would be his choice as he spends a lot of time in Miami anyway.}

4.) 07 Feb 2020 17:09:18
Anyone think he has a chance of an England call up? Always been really good for the national side but hasn't played enough. I still think have a player of his influence would help. Better than Eric dyer.

5.) 07 Feb 2020 17:40:46
I couldn't see him going to Rangers, way to good for them in my opinion. Respect to him for wanting to play more tho. The draw of great weather and a new venture in Miami sounds appealing, to me anyway 👍.

6.) 07 Feb 2020 18:08:35
Wherever he goes, I wish him good luck and thank him for the service to the club. Good professional who answered "present" whenever able and capable. Not necessarily a downward move if he ends up at Leicester, Spur or Arsenal, in terms of playing time.

7.) 07 Feb 2020 18:50:15
Inter Miami, still makes me laugh what a ridiculous name that is.

8.) 07 Feb 2020 19:01:32
Maybe Southampton.

9.) 07 Feb 2020 22:12:01
Me too mikey. Ridiculous name. I think lallana still has something to offer the Premier league. He could go to America in a couple of years.

10.) 08 Feb 2020 03:15:54
I don't think the lack of a contract renewal was up to lallana to make that decision. He hasn't been a regular for a few years now and injury issues along with ageing into his 30s I couldn't see Liverpool putting any kind of an appealing contract on the table. Lallana has been a good servant to us for many years but it's clear that the only option available is to move on now and I'm sure he can offer another decent premier league his experience and quality for another season or 2 if he could stay fit and regain his confidence. A Southampton, Leicester, west ham, wolves type of team would be his best choice if he doesn't get tempted by any possible big money offers from abroad.



03 Feb 2020 09:21:16
Now I know it's quite hard to compare players even in the premiership era as the game changes and I also believe that being in a certain team helps. But out of our current players how many of them are the best there's been in position or potential to get there. Allison for me it's only Schmeichel that's been a better keeper in the prem. Yes De Gea Cech Van der Sar all great but Allison already taken over.
VVD. You have for me Terry Ferdinand Vidic Carvalho Adams. The likes of Walker McGrath abit too early to compare for me.
Give Robertson a few more seasons the way he is and then surely he could be compared to Cole and Evra.
Trent has all the time to become the best, who is the best right back the prem has ever seen anyway?
Think there's a lot more competition in the midfield and attackers and also think they are harder to choose because of the different formations teams play and how they play.

Ibiza Red

{Ed001's Note - Evra? He was awful, never tracked back. Has to be amongst the most overrated players of the Premier League era.}

1.) 03 Feb 2020 09:51:17
I was enjoying that post too until I read "evra and Cole" Andrew Robertson is already better than they ever were and he is still young. I think he'll be a captain or vice captain one day. He stay at Liverpool for the rest of his career I would think. Actually think robbo could play on that left side of the midfield three. But really good next to Ali van djike, mane and fabhino. He's one I see staying.

{Ed001's Note - not so sure he is better than Cole yet, Cole was incredible for many years. Robertson has to perform at this level for much longer yet.}

2.) 03 Feb 2020 10:10:46
A fair comment ed01. Cole was fantastic. But I see Robertson actually getting better and I think while Liverpool are the dominating team, he is a massive part of it and I think he'll be part of this squad for many years and overtake Cole as the best. And trent will do the same in the right. I know you don't change what ain't broke but I'd like to see Williams at rwb and see trent in the midfield, Am. Maybe wait until we have actually won it. But I'd love to see he further up. But at the same time I'd be just as happy if he played rb forever.

{Ed001's Note - I think Trent could end up being like Milner and play anywhere and everywhere and do a good job.}

3.) 03 Feb 2020 10:18:48
ed001 I always get annoyed at utd fans who think evra has been our best left back, Irwin p****s all over him.

{Ed001's Note - Irwin is one of the best ever, at right and left back. I completely agree that he was a fantastic player and many times better than Evra.}

4.) 03 Feb 2020 10:23:45
Great shout Wiggy. Was just going to post Irwin. Also think our very own, and Villa’s, Steve Staunton deserves a mention in any left back conversation. But Cole and Irwin are the stand-out LBs of the Premiership era for me.

5.) 03 Feb 2020 10:41:06
Fair enough on evra I guess playing in a dominant team helped him. But as much as i love Robertson he's going to have to do it for many years to come. For me Ashley Cole was brilliant at Arsenal and Chelsea. Any thoughts on Allison could he ever be compared to Schmeichel. VVD when or is he already the best centre back to play in the prem. And who is the best right back to play in the prem. Irwin? Played many games at right back. Rob Jones had the attributes unfortunately injuries stopped that.

6.) 03 Feb 2020 10:52:23
Hate him but neville was decent otherwise in the dominant teams you probably have Ivanovic from chelsea.

7.) 03 Feb 2020 12:49:16
cole was best left back I have seen in my time watching prem
and im sorry but for me best right back was rob jones as long as he played (not long I know) but in giggs prime he made giggs look like downing when ever they played
I would have to say peter cech before injury was only second to schmeical with allison third but only due to the time he has been with us.

8.) 03 Feb 2020 13:07:00
Trent at 21 is already the best right back in Prem history for me.

Can anybody name any other right back in the Premier League era who hit double figure assists 2 years running? Or who was worth 120% more than the next best right back on earth according to Forbes?

Would anybody here genuinely swap him for Gary Neville, Lauren, Ivanovic, Ferreira, Irwin etc. I wouldn't even consider it.

Trents a generational talent.

9.) 03 Feb 2020 13:08:20
Steve finnan was very underrated at right back. Not saying he was the best ever but he was certainly on of our best.

10.) 03 Feb 2020 13:16:24
I loved Markus Babbel. Another great RB of ours who had a career cut short by injury. But Rob Jones. What a player he was!

11.) 03 Feb 2020 15:11:50
Agreed PB.

12.) 03 Feb 2020 17:54:32
How anyone could rank Allison higher than David Seaman is ludicrous in my opinion.

13.) 03 Feb 2020 19:18:24
I didn’t rate David Seaman at all. I think he was the weak link in that great Arsenal defence. And it was great.

14.) 03 Feb 2020 20:08:00
Although I kind of agree with Jim based on what Seaman achieved I do think Alisson is a better keeper and could be remembered as Neuer and Schmiechel are. They set a new benchmark for keepers and Alisson is on that track at the moment.
Seaman was part of a very good Arsenal back 5 but was nowhere near the level of Schmiechel. Nowhere near.

15.) 03 Feb 2020 22:50:14
Not much love for the Nevilles?

16.) 04 Feb 2020 15:41:54
Was Shmeichel as good with his feet as Alisson is? My memory is a bit foggy about that, maybe someone can clarify.

17.) 04 Feb 2020 15:42:35
Allison could end up being the best of his era and going down as one of the greats. Do I think he's as good as the likes of Buffon or Schmeichel? Not yet, he needs to do it for a few years before we can say that.

18.) 05 Feb 2020 03:20:25
Anyone else feel Seamus Coleman played many years at a high standard to be in contention for best RB. He's gone back since his awful injury but I thought he was a consistent performer for multiple seasons in a team which lacked consistency and stability around him.

I feel if he had moved to a bigger side he would have got the credit and praise that I think his quality and mentality deserved. Very underrated I feel.



22 Jan 2020 22:00:07
Obviously our points total and the fact we've only drawn 1 game, but are Liverpool actually that good this season. The only reason why j say this is there's been several games where we haven't looked that good but still won. Also I'd say we've never looked like losing at any point this season. But look at the state of the table. United are still 5th and are absolutely terrible. Spurs Arsenal the same. Chelsea are 4th but haven't been great either. I don't want to take anything away from what we are doing, but the standard of the opposition this season hasn't been good.
Here's hoping Ole gets a new contract anyway.

Ibiza Red

1.) 22 Jan 2020 22:17:05
If we are not playing well and the other teams aren't playing well, surely we should be on roughly the same points? Weve been superb and fortunate but most of all we've worked our asses off to not lose a single game. The other teams haven't been poor all season, they just haven’t raised their performance levels consistently high in the way we have.

2.) 22 Jan 2020 22:25:09
We have been very, very good this season. Lucky at times but I think we have earned our luck for the most part.

Hopefully this incredible season isn't tainted by the fact that everyone else (bar Leicester and Sheffield United IMO) have been absolutely dreadful.

3.) 22 Jan 2020 22:28:16
With 21 wins out of 22, I'd say we are that good, tbh. Thought I heard a stat that no one in any of the top European leagues had ever done that? If it was just weak opponents we'd have taken our eye off it and dropped more points by now.

The issue is that outside the current top 4, the majority of teams are on broadly the same level and can keep taking points off each other. So that allows Chelsea, for example, to still be 4th despite being in a poor run of form. I haven't watched too many non Liverpool matches so I can't make a judgment on call on whether they're all decent or all rubbish, but they are close together (4 points separate 5th and 15th) . Quite a few teams looked useful enough against us.

On Utd specifically, despite being awful to watch, they've actually conceded relatively few goals (only ourselves, City, Leicester and Sheffield United have conceded less) and in Rashford had someone reliably hitting the net. With him injured for a while, I suspect they won't remain 5th very long though.

Also, whilst Spurs and United are apparently terrible, people are praising how good Wolves are. All three clubs are on 34 points.

4.) 22 Jan 2020 22:41:08
We have become experts at doing enough, and raising our game when we need to. City blew them away, Leicester too. We control games at 50% like the last few games, wolves, spurs, United, all teams you can drop points too. Long season and klopp has leanrt you can 100% at all times.

5.) 22 Jan 2020 22:46:30
I'm just being more objective obviously we have been good. But is it partly down to the standard of opposition we've been facing in the league. Weve struggled abit in Europe this season. Watched a bit of spurs and united this season and they have been awful. Yet United 5th and spurs 7th or 8th. Burnley win 2 on the bounce and suddenly closer to united in 5th than the relegation zone. It just seems a lot of the other teams just haven't been good this season.

6.) 22 Jan 2020 22:59:06
We’d be top of every league in the world.

7.) 22 Jan 2020 23:07:53
Sometimes the oppositions can cause a team to be dreadful. I personally think it's the quality of the teams outside of the so called big teams are better. That might be the reason why the points difference is quite close. Liverpool on the other hand is clearly keep on improving. This is my first time seeing a Liverpool team that are extremely consistent with their performance.

8.) 22 Jan 2020 23:15:42
Yet Chelsea, Spurs and City have all made the last 16 of the CL. Arsenal and Utd through in the Europa.
Maybe it’s not that all of the teams are worse but the standard of the whipping boys has risen so they can now compete with the so called big 6 and take points off the historically bigger sides.
We’ve just raised our game to a whole new level and although we are not devastating we are devastatingly efficient.
Just an alternative view to yours Ibiza.

9.) 22 Jan 2020 23:25:16
I think quite often you need some competition to push you to your top level, i don't believe Ronaldo becomes as good without Messi and vice-versa for example. Considering nobody is near us, the level of our performance has been remarkable that we've maintained our concentration and focus.

10.) 23 Jan 2020 01:49:54
1-2 1-4 1-5 2-4
2018-19 1 27 28 16
2017-18 19 25 30 6
2016-17 7 17 18 10
2015-16 10 15 15 5
2014-15 8 17 23 9
2013-14 2 7 14 5
2012-13 11 16 17 5
2011-12 0 20 24 20
2010-11 9 12 18 3
2009-10 1 16 19 15
2008-09 4 18 27 14
6.54 17.27 21.18 9.81

Hopefully the formatting comes out well. The columns list the points gap each since 2008-09 for positions 1st - 2nd, 1st - 4th, 1st - 5th and 2nd to 4th.

In simple terms, there are typically, at most, 2 teams that perform well and separate themselves from the pack. So this year is no exception really other than we are the one team out performing everyone and no one is sticking with us. Kinda like City in 2017-18.

11.) 23 Jan 2020 08:25:54
Liverpool have been superb. Its the sign of champions, winning when you haven't played that well. But most games we have been fantastic. The points of 2nd 3rd and 4th are no different than any other season really.

We are making them look poor as we (and City Tbf) have taken the Premier league to a new level.

12.) 23 Jan 2020 10:05:12
well that table came out sh*t lol

Basically from the 2008-09 season to 2018-19, the average points gaps have been :

1st to 2nd = 6.5 pts
1st to 4th = 17.27 pts
1st to 5th = 21.18 pts
2nd to 4th = 9.81 pts

Point being, it is very normal that the champions and whoever comes second are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest.

13.) 23 Jan 2020 12:31:23
Comparisons are always subjective, even when you are being statistical. Everything is always wide open to different interpretations. My personal view is that we played better last year from an aesthetic perspective. But as I said, it's subjective. I wouldn't argue with anyone if they said we are better this year; the table says so. But, the boys are now much better "managers" of situations within a game. Signs of a maturing team and players. If we fall behind, they don't panic and continue with the plan. If we score first, they don't let up and keep going to finish off games. If we come under pressure, the wagons circle around and we see even Salah chipping in defensively until the pressure eases off. Klopp is a "team first" teacher of the game, and we see all players assuming responsibility, more and more.

14.) 23 Jan 2020 14:34:28
This is rubbish. Leicester and Sheffield have been the only good teams. Why aren't they 2nd and 3rd then?

Don't take away from our fantastic season. City have made us think anything other than a 90 point plus season is rubbish. It's nonsense. And we as reds fans are not counting ourselves. Everyone else sees - one team running away (as usual (ish) ) a decent 2nd place team. City are still a brilliant football team. One of the world's best. And a few more fighting it out for 3rd and 4th. The only unusual thing is not how poor everyone else has been, but how brilliant we have been

It's only Liverpool fans that think this, I'm sure. The younger fans don't know how to handle success. Get used to it, I have a feeling its going to be a common occurrence.

Sorry to sound harsh, but this debate is really doing my swede in. We are having the greatest season any European, top league team has EVER had. And some are trying to diminish it by suggesting that all of a sudden, over the space of a summer, the world's best league has turned into the SPL. (no offence Scotland) full of half arsed teams.

I would say Liverpool have gone up a level. City have not but were already on another level and the teams in 6th to 12th have gone up a notch, making it harder for the 4th,5th place teams to be consistent.
Chelsea are struggling with hardly no signings and an overhyped manager. Arsenal are finding their feet and utd have a poor manager.

But its the likes of Leicester, wolves, Sheffield and Southampton, even Palace who are making the big guns misfire.

15.) 23 Jan 2020 21:02:39
um, no, the statistics are very objective. these aren't thoughts or feelings at all, but objective facts. So not sure what you mean by that.



21 Jan 2020 09:17:29
Ed's. On a transfer not klopp seems to like doing his business early which to me makes sense. So why do so many clubs that are clearly desperate for players spurs, man u, more so wait so long to get deals done. I understand in january clubs are less willing to let players go and I understand it's not simple. But for example man u have surely known for a long time they need a creative midfielder so surely they had a list of players and you get ready to act as soon as the window opens. By the time any team buys a player now they are unlikely to play a prem game until february you just feel they've potentially missed 3 or 4 games. As for liverpool it's got to be hard to add to our squad and keep players happy and bring in the quality the fans expect.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a mix of things, depending on the deal. It can be the selling club holding up the move to get themselves the best deal by creating an auction. In some clubs the problem is not having a well organised recruitment system, with the decision-making process too slow to be ready ahead of the window. In others they just leave it late out of choice, to try and get a better price.}




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11 Mar 2020 18:17:07
Do you think liverpool would ever revive interest in Fekir. Or has that ship completely sailed. Would it be dependant on someone like Salah leaving. Haven't seen him play much this season but he was very good against Madrid on the weekend and would presume he might be looking to join a higher profile team than Betis.

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{Ed002's Note - Right now there has been no Liverpool interest in Fekir. He has had a tough time at Betis and was being offered around in January.}



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27 Jan 2020 07:45:51
I agree. Matip Lovren Fabinho Minamino All looked short of being match ready especially at a higher level. Then you have the likes of Lallana Keita Milner Shaq (if fit) all need game time. Would be a shame if we ended up getting knocked out with such a good chance to go through.

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30 Dec 2019 10:46:20
Wow thanks for such an in depth answer.

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06 Aug 2019 20:13:10
Well they have apparently had a bid of €70 million excepted for Dybala and even though they play different positions that's a help of an amount on wages for the spuds to pay.

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06 Aug 2019 16:25:57
Sorry Ed's. /..................

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01 Jul 2020 04:30:50
As they say class is permanent. Speed will always change. You might get a fullback quicker. The player will slow down with age or as you've seen with the likes of Owen 1 bad injury and when speed is your main asset your game is gone.

On the other hand you have someone like Barnes. Who despite the injury and losing his pace. His skills and intelligence allowed him to stay in the game way beyond his injury would've allowed him.

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14 Jun 2020 17:58:04
I guess it all depends on the match you watch. I watched Mallorca v Barcelona last night and they had the fake crownd noise and found it far better than the previous games I had watched without any noise. I also decided to watch it with Spanish commentary just made the game sound more exciting. I'm sure it will be different for Prem games where you will know the chants etc.

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01 May 2020 15:35:08
If you were talking about starting players I would add
Rush- Firmino
Hypia - Gomez
Gerrard - Ox/ fabinho

If its squad players I'd take out lovren, lallana and shaqiri
For Hypia, Gerrard Barnes
I've picked players from the time I've been watching I did see Hansen but only his last couple of seasons.

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11 Mar 2020 18:23:51
To be fair I went to watch an NFL game a few years ago at Wembley and enjoyed it. The whole build up of the game what happens in the stoppages and at half time make it a decent day out. Luckily there was some decent touchdowns that day too.

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09 Feb 2020 19:00:46
Liverpool have been blessed with phenomenal goalscorers in my lifetime. Starting with Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah.

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