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10 Jun 2018 15:46:12
Away from our transfers, I was watching an interesting program about Gérard Houllier yesterday. This is probably a question for ed01 I think. Can you shed any light on why Patrice Bergues left the club, and what do you think was the cause of the club’s underachieving 2002-04 seasons? Was it due to his extremely unfortunate heart problems?
{Ed001's Note - I can't remember why he left to be honest. The underachievement was down to a number of factors though. Recruitment was poor, we were signing 'the next big thing' but none of them were actually that good. Worse was the coaching, not one player improved under the coaches at the club then. Most were regressing alarmingly. Finally it was Ged's tactical approach, he was far too defensive to ever progress.}
1.) 10 Jun 2018 16:55:32
Was he Patrick berger's French cousin?
2.) 10 Jun 2018 21:20:41
😄 Good one Hendo.
27 May 2018 22:41:42
Looks like here’s the lessons learnt from last night:-
1. Klopp needs to apologise and beg buvac to come back. So bizzare that those two survived almost 20 years together only for it to suddenly break here, at Liverpool! The difference in the results were quite telling after he left (like ed02 said) .
2. Sack John Achterberg. Yes Karius made the mistakes, but I personally blame achterberg for this. Our keepers since 2010 have suffered because of him. If rumours are true that buvac didn’t like him, then his presence at the club is starting to become toxic.
1.) 27 May 2018 23:27:19
How can you blame Achterberg for those goals? They were lapses in concentration and a bit of a lucky gamble by the Madrid players.
A GK coach can’t coach someone to concentrate.
Having said that, Achterberg has not improved any of the keepers we’ve had and not brought anyone through - like Ward. I would replace him (JA) but don’t know who with .
2.) 28 May 2018 07:49:50
You’re right that you can’t blame him for those goals, but you can blame him for not ironing out the flaws in Karius’ game.
05 Jan 2018 10:15:59
Away from the Coutinho/ Can debacle, I'd like Ed001 (or others) 's opinion on something.
I was just watching the premier league years for the 1992-93 season, in which Liverpool had a dreadful season, almost getting themselves relegated 3 years after winning the title.
I saw in a post by you a few weeks ago that the 1988 FA cup final signalled the beginning of the end for Liverpool's dominance.
So my question is, do you think Liverpool's decline in the 90s was in part started by the poor long-term planning of the club in the late 80s and then accelerated by Souness being reckless, or is the blame solely on Souness?
{Ed001's Note - the club was in a mess, hence why Souness came in. They had lost the scout that brought all the best players in, then Hillsborough crushed Dalglish (completely understandably) and the idiots on the board made matters worse by not allowing the great man to have a break and sort himself out. Souness was more of a symptom of the problems rather than the problem itself.}
1.) 05 Jan 2018 10:50:41
Souness tried to change too much too soon and did buy some rubbish as well as getting shot of too many older players too soon, although he did give opportunity’s to a lot of youngsters that season due to shedding of those elder players, some of whom went on to be good players.
Barnes missed a lot of games and really wasn’t the same when he came back.
Any team with Torben Piecnik and Tanner as CB would struggle.
2.) 05 Jan 2018 10:50:06
Who was the scout we lost ed001 out of interest? Thank you.
{Ed001's Note - the great Geoff Twentyman, probably the best scout of all time, certainly Liverpool's best ever.}
3.) 05 Jan 2018 11:31:12
Is being a good scout genetic? Because his son world as a radio presenter and I'm sure we could tempt him!
In all seriousness, i think our main reason for decline was just the exact same as United's. We lost the entire spine of our team in a few seasons. Grobelaar, Hansen, Nicol, Souness, Whelan, Dalglish, Rush etc. Just in the same way United couldn't cope with losing VDS, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, and Ronaldo over a few years.
If you lose one star, you can kind of battle through it. When your whole team crashes down inside 5 years though, you're doomed. Maybe if we hadn't lost Dalglish, we could've rebuilt? But the team was already shot to pieces. I wasn't alive then, so this is all analysis based of historic accounts of what happened. It's gutting for me though because at 23, I've never seen us win the league and have to listen to stories of glory which just make me jealous!
{Ed025's Note - success goes in cycles MK, im sure liverpool will have their day again...im guessing 2045 or something like that..
4.) 05 Jan 2018 11:37:31
Paul Stewart the midfield dynamo.
5.) 05 Jan 2018 12:01:43
So assuming Liverpool's cycle is every 40 years, Everton won't win a major trophy again until about 2085? 😉.
6.) 05 Jan 2018 12:01:10
Thank you ed001.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome Klopp.}
7.) 05 Jan 2018 12:12:49
Sold Staunton to keep Burrows.
8.) 05 Jan 2018 12:10:21
2045 Ed025? Around the time that Everton win another cup then?! ;-)
I was just entering my teens when we won our last league title, so followed the events of the early 90s quite closely (and with tears for the fall from the top of the perch! ) . I completely understand why Kenny had to leave, but if he hadn't, it would've made for a far more even 90s between us at Manure.
9.) 05 Jan 2018 12:26:23
Brilliant one, Ed25.
{Ed025's Note - just an educated guess brover..
06 Jul 2017 18:41:13
Let's summarise the situations:-
VVD - dead. Due to LFC's stupidity, all the balls are now in Southampton's court, who increased the price and forced us to apologise and withdraw our interest. For this deal to do a Jesus Christ three things would need to happen at the same time: VVD hands in a transfer request AND Southampton re-open the door to Liverpool AND Liverpool put in an offer in excess of £70M.
If that happens, Liverpool's already failing reputation would be destroyed as they went back on their word that 'we have dropped all interest in VVD'. Southampton's would also be dented as they would reinforce their 'selling club' status after repeatedly saying that VVD is not for sale.
Unless something happens on Southampton's end, forget about him.
Keita - dying as we speak. He has repetitively been branded 'not for sale'. RBL are moneybags, they don't need the money. They are already in the champions league, so Liverpool are not necessarily an upgrade. He is their star player, a pivotal cog in their midfield; and you don't sell your best players if you want to build a team fit for the champions league. I think it will probably take a bid of at least £70M to even make them look at us, though to actually buy him would probably be near Gareth Bale territory. Now that we've tapped him up too RBL may even shut the door on us no matter what the bid is.
That being said, I hate the way Liverpool either tap up or use the media to unsettle the player, then make a derisory offer for him. Mafia tactics. They need to learn when and how to establish the 'minimum acceptable price' and negotiate from there, or walk away and seek alternatives if its too much. Look at Chelsea and VVD then Rudiger!
1.) 06 Jul 2017 19:13:38
If Southampton offered Liverpool to make an offer, so we wouldn't be going back on our word. It is Southampton offering us the opportunity to buy the player.
2.) 06 Jul 2017 19:21:55
Spot on, LFCPessimist. We keep barking up the wrong tree when it comes to players we are looking at. We seem to be going for players that either have no interest in coming here (Brandt and Keita) or whose clubs are not willing to sell hence to get them, we need to be stripped naked in broad daylight in transfer fees (VVD and Keita) . Why do we need to tap players up? There are players out there who would jump at the chance BUT it seems our scouts either are not interested in finding the right players or simply just check in with the Saints to see if we can strip them again. This is why we tap them up so they can force the move through themselves, something Ed02 has alluded to. Disgusting strategy, really. Chelsea got Rudiger for over half the price for VVD. Ricardo Perreira at RB/ LB and would slot in nicely (who we were interested in) BUT here we are looking at Andy Robertson who is inferior to him yet people act as if there are not alternatives to those we want currently. Mind-blowing, really.
3.) 06 Jul 2017 19:24:39
You are pretty much spot on with your hindsight. Bigger question, Have you seen our alternatives to these players? I would rather buy none than take Ox and Whoever from League 1. At least I could argue my club did not spend a penny going into the new season and I proud of it!
Can't blame anyone except ourself. We were supposed to challenge the title and push further are now in limbo! Our targets changes constantly, We just don't get our first choice, Never!
Where is the left back something should have done a month ago? Should we wait untill August 31 to recruit a LB?
4.) 06 Jul 2017 21:49:33
I'd rather not waste a penny on Ox. Simply not good enough.
28 Jun 2017 16:27:41
This is potentially a question for Ed02, but open to anyone who has knowledge on the MLB stateside. Has the Red Sox been involved in scandals since John W Henry took over? I was just wondering why and how LFC became so underhanded when it comes to player recruitment.
Secondly, if you are Michael Edwards or Peter Moore, what can be done to fix our relationship with Fulham, Arsenal, and now Southampton along with possibly a larger list of clubs that hates us?
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of issues at the RS. Issues at Liverpool wth respect to other clubs goes well beyond what people are aware of. Under the current owns LFC will never be involved in the discussions the elite sides have together - the next meeting of which is in August. However, I am not aware of issues with Arsenal.}
1.) 29 Jun 2017 12:57:12
curiosity pricked ed 002.Were we part off it before and if so why not now under fsg.
{Ed002's Note - G14 yes, not since and never to be under these owners. Not a chance.}
2.) 29 Jun 2017 17:38:15
Could you elaborate slightly on some of the reasons fir this Ed? Is it due to how they operate or much more?
Thanks in advance.
{Ed002's Note - I think it has been done to death in the past.}
19 Jul 2017 14:19:06
Yes I have read somewhere from a month ago that if Keita and his representatives keep pushing for the Liverpool move, RBL will report LFC to FIFA for tapping him up.
27 Jun 2017 16:34:38
Fulham, Southampton, and Arsenal. Are there any other clubs that have 'strained relationships' with LFC because they've tasted our special slime? : (.
21 Jun 2017 11:32:22
That being said, I would love to have him at Liverpool. We can always bid RBL £50-60M to see if their arm can be twisted. Well worth the money.
10 Jun 2017 15:36:43
If the reports are correct in Italy, Roma only wants £7M more from Liverpool, which i don't think is that extortionate. If Roma then pushes the boundaries and say 'I want £15M more from you', then we can walk away for them messing us about. I'm my opinion I just don't think the extra £7M is worth waiting 2 weeks and (maybe) tapping the player up over. Just give Roma an acceptable bid to negotiate with, or walk away!
09 Jun 2017 22:41:41
Apparently Roma need to balance their books by the end of this month to satisfy FFP. We are waiting until then so that they have no choice but to sell him to us for 28M, way less than what they want. IF that is indeed true, coupling that with the alleged 'tapping up', that's really underhanded by Liverpool.
25 Jun 2018 15:01:16
Let’s not forget the goal machine that is Ferenc Puskas. Almost won Hungary the World Cup!
16 Jun 2017 12:17:43
I actually think he is a good footballer. He has pace, the workrate, good technique on the ball, and the energy. I also think he is a good character to be around in the dressing room. However, he lacks a footballing brain, making him make rash and stupid decisions on the field. e. g. remember him hacking down steven naismith twice in the penalty area in front of the referee at Norwich?
10 Jun 2017 20:11:56
I don't think Benfica wants anything for Martins. Sporting Lisbon, on the other hand.
10 Jun 2017 00:56:50
You know, I just read a flashback about our signings in the summer of 2010. We signed Joe Cole, Milan Jovanovic, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, and Danny Wilson. The suicide squad!
Give it a bit of time for all this the crap Liverpool got themselves tangled with (like tapping up and court cases etc) to blow over, then sort themselves out internally; and I'm sure we'll sign some good players during this window.
One thing I can say is that we do have time on our side here.
09 Jun 2017 15:15:21
If we offered 40M for Mendy, Monaco would let him go and we shake hands, all parties happy.
What I'm really annoyed about is Liverpool would put a bid of like 20M + add-ons to Monaco on the table. Would you accept that if you were a director at the Stade Louis II?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Liverpool to just stupidly accept every price quoted by the selling clubs, I just want them to have some tact at the negotiating table that's all. They can always say 'thats too much, we're walking away. Thanks for your time. ' if they can't pay it.