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15 Sep 2017 22:31:09
Is nathaniel clyne actually injured?


1.) 15 Sep 2017 23:05:15
Yeh he's got coutinhoitis.



04 Mar 2017 07:36:46
Any of our players attracting particular interest from other clubs at this moment? Thanks.


1.) 04 Mar 2017 12:39:40
Sakho was wanted by Sevilla and Southampton but we priced him out of a permanent move.

Lucas has always been wanted by Inter Milan. Probably still is.

West Ham are apparently keen on Sturridge.

PSG and Barcelona want Coutinho.

PSG are also credited with interest in Firmino and Lallana but that seems unsubstantiated at best and complete fairytale at worst!

Aside from that it is still unclear who might be going and where they will be going.

I don't think anyone in the squad except Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum and Henderson are guaranteed to be in our first choice starting XI next season. The next likely after that would be Firmino and Karius.

Some because we will want rid, some because we will replace them, and some because they will want out.

2.) 04 Mar 2017 13:43:37
Wijinaldum has done nothing to be a 'guaranteed first choice' player. He blows hot and cold all the time and rarely lifts himself against the smaller teams - he has a lot to prove.

3.) 04 Mar 2017 15:49:01
He was the same for Newcastle. Doubt he's going to change tbh.

4.) 04 Mar 2017 20:19:36
Done nothing except score crucial goals against Chelsea, Man City and now Arsenal! Not to mention his stunning performance against Spurs. He is our new Dutchman for the big occasions!

He is so under rated. I am torn between Gini and Mane as our player of the season so far. He was signed as a left attacking midfielder and put in a much deeper role by Klopp, yet he has adapted so quickly and seems to get better and better every week! I cannot express enough just how highly I rate him.

5.) 05 Mar 2017 04:10:31
As I said he doesn't turn up against the smaller teams - where was the energy and intensity and box-to-box runs vs Leicester? Or is all we crave now are players who'll turn up for a few big games and go missing in all the others? He has been wildly inconsistent this season and this past week of football illustrates that perfectly. Once again Adam you are wildly optimistic about just how good a player is - Wijinaldum our player of the season? Get a grip mate.

6.) 05 Mar 2017 05:17:07
Seano - no one in this team turns up every game. You need to reallywatch games again and put the outcome to the side in order to make a proper assessment. He is as energetic in losses as he was today. but we lost. that clouds all the judgement of him.

7.) 05 Mar 2017 08:19:33
In my opinion, nobody has consistently improved throughout the season more than Wijnaldum. And he is the least inconsistent of the whole bunch. His position depends entirely on the players around him. If they don't turn up for a game, then he can't be blamed for it. He's just another underappreciated player like Henderson. I really wonder what some of the others here, are looking at during games.

{Ed025's Note - wijnaldum is decent ra but he has to produce more often for me, the guy has a great engine but drifts in and out of games mate..

8.) 05 Mar 2017 13:44:26
I just realized that I am blind. Wijnaldum has been one of our most consistent performers. Neat on the ball, is tough, good movement, gets in the right positions, doesn't lose the ball and has a great engine. He does need to improve his final ball and scoring ability (I know he has scored some key goals but still) but that will come. He isn't flashy but efficient and effective. I can't believe people are talking negative about him. Who exactly in our midfield will you replace him with?

9.) 05 Mar 2017 18:18:43
Wijnaldum is 2 thirds into his first season with us so is just about settled in. I think he's done really well considering.

{Ed002's Note - What! A player settling in to Liverpool after only two-thirds of a season - surely not?}

10.) 05 Mar 2017 17:56:21
MK, sportsman bet, Wiji will not be a regular starter next season.

11.) 05 Mar 2017 18:40:11
I like him a lot and i think he will become a top player for Liverpool, much like Henderson is now.

12.) 05 Mar 2017 19:38:08
Exactly Faith in works. I think he is one of our most consistent players. The issue is that as a deeper midfielder he cannot influence the score line directly as often as he did at Newcastle.

His tracking of runners, tackling, passing, pressing, energy and movement is always there. He is one of the few intelligent players we have. He picks the right moments to go forward which is why he so rarely gets caught out of position. Against stronger sides when he can see nobody is getting into the box he makes the decision to break into the box and it has paid off for him.

Seano I think you're being way too harsh. Out of every player in our squad, Gini and Mane are the only guys who always put in a 7/ 10 performance or better. They never have a game where they are glaringly bad or massively at fault. Testimony to Klopp's vision that is, because most people thought they were dreadful signings 6 months ago.

I am not wildly over rating him anyway. I'm not sitting here saying he is world class or the best in the league etc. I am simply saying that in my opinion he has been one of our top performers. I am entitled to my opinion thank you very much. He is still new to the role, still about 3 years off peak age for a midfielder, and he shows desire to learn. I think he could be a bit more vocal but he is an all round great midfielder. He is good at everything and bad at nothing. He just needs to become great at a few things, continue this form in top European competition, and then he can take a step up to the next level and we can HOPEFULLY talk about him potentially being world class in a few years time.

13.) 06 Mar 2017 00:16:33
Mane has been player of the season, by a mile, he's an incredible and his pace and skill scare the opposition. Wijnaldum has pleasantly surprised me. Still think we need a bit more bite in midfield as I think we are too easily out muscled, but you can't knock Wijnaldums effort and commitment.

14.) 06 Mar 2017 21:53:23
Wijnaldum has pleasantly surprised me but as for player of the season? Not for me. Lallana has pleasantly surprised me, I wanted him gone last summer but he has made huge improvements but like Wijnaldum has blown far too hot and cold. Firmino or Mane for me, Mane the reasons are obvious but Firmino for his work rate. The high press would be a massive fail without him, his energy and leading the press from the front is fantastic. If only he would score a few more. I don't think Firmino is a striker though to be fair.

15.) 07 Mar 2017 12:51:40
Wiji has been solid rather than spectacular. or does he seem better than he is due to can being terrible this season.
Personally against the lesser side I'd like to see coutinho drop into midfield and control the game more.
Or go to either way we need pace on the left side.




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01 Sep 2018 17:58:59
Gomez was excellent today. Vvd had a poor game but Joe made up for it!


1.) 01 Sep 2018 18:13:02
I love Gomez mate, seeing him play regularly really makes my day because he deserved his chance and he's doing well, long may it continue. He'll be Lovrens long term replacement imo, fingers crossed he can stay fit and carry on playing well. The kid has stepped up when needed, get in Gomez lad!

2.) 01 Sep 2018 19:46:26
it seems to me that the defense is doing a much better job of holding their line than in the past. I don't know if it is coaching, leadership from the goalkeeper, VVD, or a combination of all of the above, but they seem much more in tune with one another and much more solid. I also really like the way Gomez is playing. I thought he was good last year, but he seems to have taken it to another level. It will be hard to take him out of the lineup. I hope that make sense. I'm not very good at describing what I'm trying to say.

3.) 01 Sep 2018 20:42:05
Completely understand what you're saying stone and you aren't wrong mate. Personally I think it's a mixture of everything, at the back we are looking so much more solid these days. We'll have our bad days and we will concede goals and maybe silly goals but overall I'm delighted with our back 5. 1 goal conceded in 4 games, that does me just fine lol.

You know me I'm very confident, especially this season about Liverpool but I'd of never imagined us to get the full 12 points with only 1 goal conceded from the first 4 games. We have a hell of a lot to be proud of :) .

4.) 01 Sep 2018 22:21:06
Gomez wasn't that good at rb last year, he cost us points and at least 5 goals. It is understandable as he is a centre back. Put VVD there and the same would happen.

I love Gomez and think he has a lot more potential than Lovren. I have been waiting for him to be injury free, he could be brilliant.

5.) 01 Sep 2018 22:49:17
VVD needs to up his game ASAP, cos he made too many errors today.

6.) 01 Sep 2018 22:51:04
Good post mark, agreed mate.

7.) 02 Sep 2018 01:15:40
Also did you see his 2 long throws, Jebus crisp he’s a fast learner!

8.) 02 Sep 2018 17:25:56
100% agree Salah. I'd also make the argument that Gomez made the play of the match when he blocked that opportunity in the 2nd half. I thought that was a brilliant play that I'm not sure he would have made a year ago.



08 Jul 2018 08:47:25
Harry wilson has obviously been watching salah. Two lovely finishes yesterday.


{Ed025's Note - it was against chester..

1.) 08 Jul 2018 09:36:12
A goal is a goal ed025, you just have to play what is in front of you.

{Ed025's Note - i know that DRM but getting excited over a goal against chester seems a bit OTT to me mate..

2.) 08 Jul 2018 09:39:17
I'm with Ed25 there, I'm happy for the lad to grab a couple of goals but let's be honest, so he should against Chester. I want to see him more against a top team to see how he get's on. I rate the lad a lot I really do but I don't think he's ready for our level just yet, if it was up to me I'd give him another season out on loan to one of the promoted clubs, get him some PL experience and then come back and smash it.

If he's given his chance with us now then fair enough and the best of luck to him but I don't want to see the lad sat on the bench doing nothing all season, it's unfair on him. If he goes out on loan and is patient enough then I see him really making a name for himself at Liverpool, he just needs to learn more and is young enough to do so.

Be all and end all, what do I know? I support whatever decision the club makes for the lad. His future looks very promising, an exciting young player so fingers crossed for him.

{Ed025's Note - i think another loan is the way forward salah, i love to see young players breaking through but they have to learn their trade and be ready...for me young wilson is still a bit green mate..

3.) 08 Jul 2018 11:03:11
I don’t think we should get carried away with Wilson but pre season is a chance to say don’t buy another forward you have me in the squad. He can only score against what’s in front of him, I would personally have him in and around the team and see if he takes his oppurtunity, he is up against mane salah and Bobby which is no easy challenge.

But if he is behind me those three and origi a loan in the PL makes sense.

4.) 08 Jul 2018 12:18:32
Just taking about the nature of his finishes. Thought they were well taken!

5.) 08 Jul 2018 12:47:46
It’s not so much the fact he scored against Chester Ed it’s the way he took the goals. Looks to have that steely calmness in front of goal. Unlike someone like Sterling who panics with an open goal 2 yards out and slices it wide.

6.) 08 Jul 2018 13:00:18
I agree its was against Chester. But as a Striker on my days. The 1st finish in particular was brilliant regardless of who it's against. To have that split second composure to calmly lift it over defender and gk like that was harder than he made it look. Anyone who's been in same position will agree, 90% of players just put foot through that and more often than not will score that chance. Same with 2nd one he controls it on his thigh, and hits it straight away, you can see gk has no time to even set himself to make a save. even though the ball is very close to him. If you have watched him over last 2 seasons in u23s you will have seen the lad has fantastic ability in front of goal. A loan might be the best path i agree, but the ability is there let's hope attitude and consistency to play at top level is also.

7.) 08 Jul 2018 13:47:43
I Agree with Ed025 here.

{Ed001's Note - please don't do that, even if he is right it just gets him over excited when someone agrees with him.}

8.) 08 Jul 2018 10:03:55
Hi ed025 sorry I don't want to sound negative but its like you think lookman is not ready for Everton you loan your best winger. I want him to succeeded and I think without trusting you wouldn't find out whether they are good or not. I know my opinion don't matter and klopp is under tremendous pressure from so called us fans that he now is not taking too much risk by giving youth chance and rather buy readymade proven player.
Also our fans start bashing young players after one or two poor performance while it is imperative that young players prone to mistake and learn from them.
Those fans who really try to care about young players always like a loan to this team that team will be good nobody is ready to give players time.

{Ed025's Note - your right hope unless they get a shot we will never know, the reverse side of that is throwing them in at the deep end and shattering their confidence, its a big call and one only the manager can make but without the likes of the lookman,s and wilsons of this world the future of the national game is in doubt, im glad its not my call mate..

9.) 08 Jul 2018 10:35:02
Yeah ed but composure is a skill in itself.

He didn't score a banger against a poor gk.

He was in front of goal, kept his cool and just dunked it over the keeper. Confident.

Solanke and origi where rash in front of goal and both might be kept over him. Don't u derestimate the ability to put the ball in the net.

{Ed025's Note - against players who are part time bus drivers or work at Mcdonalds most of the week it does not really mean much mate..

10.) 08 Jul 2018 14:48:08
And if Ed025 get's excited then the tissues appear.

{Ed025's Note - most of us are like that barry and its nothing to be ashamed of mate..

11.) 08 Jul 2018 15:21:03
Ed25 is correct. Harry Wilson is a talented footballer BUT to play for Klopp as Ed01 has said, there are other aspects to his game that he has to work on like off-the-ball work, finding space in tight areas etc and going on loan would help him a lot, as Ed25 has said. Also, calm down people. It was only against Chester.

{Ed025's Note - thats the worry brover that he will get hyped up so much that even an average game could end up with him being abused by supporters, just let him develop in his own time and have a bit of patience i say mate..

12.) 08 Jul 2018 17:26:32
If we don't sign someone to cover the left and right foward positions id prefer that wilson stays.

If that's the case i think he will get enough game time over the season (providing he performs of course) plus a full season training with the first team.

But if he is loaned out it needs to be to a team that plays something similar in style to liverpool. Otherwise he's coming back after a year out and still not ready to play the way klopp likes.

Id much prefer woodburn to be loaned out this season. He needs a full season of first team football.

On another note i like the way klopp handles youth players. They seem hungry and eager to play for the club. He is a hard man to please and the young kids know talent alone isn't enough to get them their chance. Graft and work ethic and determination ain't bad things for any young kid to have drilled into them.

{Ed002's Note - Origi can also provide cover.}

13.) 08 Jul 2018 16:07:19
Noones hyping him ed just noting that he was calm as a cucumber in front of goal and the op said he must of been watching Salah.

I added that composure is a skill not to be underestimated. It's not learnt, you either have it or you don't. Him having it is a good thing and something that will serve him well on what should be his next loan because he is nowhere near ready yet for first team football with us.

{Ed025's Note - i agree that hes not ready KB but composure and awareness can be taught and develops with experience mate..

14.) 08 Jul 2018 18:03:36
He is going to be a star. Fantastic player, thought we'd resigned torres till I saw he had 2 knees.

He is still green but so was trent at the beginning of last season. If I were klopp I'd go for it. Instead of a new striker keep solanke, instead of an Am keep Woodburn and instead of a winger keep Wilson. Klopp would get some stick if it didn't come off but next season when the lads have all had another full season playing in the 1st team they will smash it.

We have a brilliant first 14/ 15 and I honestly think the three I've mentioned could easily become a part of a decent 17/ 18.

15.) 08 Jul 2018 19:12:13

Id prefer origi stays central. Id much prefer wilson in a right foward role than origi. Out of the two i think wilsons game is better suited to the position.

As far as backup to bobby goes id have solanke and brewster ahead of origi simply because i get the feeling his days are numbered.

Hope im wrong and he has a stormer pre season but i think he's a decent bid away from leaving and id rather players that are in the long term thinking get the minutes.

{Ed002's Note - It would simply be an option.}

16.) 08 Jul 2018 19:36:32
Lol. Kloppsboss says, quite rightly, no one is getting hyped ed025, just saying how cool he was" and very next post is me going "fantastic player, going to be a star" I'm an idiot.

I think he should try for the 1st team. Take his chance as I think he could. Played a lot of football last season.

{Ed025's Note - he may well do so in time PH, just not yet i feel mate..

17.) 08 Jul 2018 21:15:08

Agreed. Definately an option. Id like to see him stay. He is hard to handle when he is on top form.

The injury killed his momentum.

Would like to see what he could do in our front line if one of the other 3 were missing.



25 Apr 2018 07:34:17
Hendo was brilliant last night. The number of times Nainggolan ended up his backside after being bounced off the ball by an onrushing Henderson!


1.) 25 Apr 2018 08:26:59
I love Hendo and I've always backed him, games like this show exactly why. Can you imagine a fully fit Hendo doing that every game? I'm hoping we can see it next season, he's a great player, I just hope more people have faith in him instead of calling for VVD to be the new captain, it's just disrespectful.

2.) 25 Apr 2018 10:13:00
Agree with you both, thought Hendo was superb last night. I lost count how many times he won the ball back to start counter attacks, most noteably for Salah’s second. Shame that he gets the abuse he does off his own fans though. I bet Harry will still be getting excited over Naingolen this morning though!

3.) 25 Apr 2018 10:38:48
I think Hendo really raises his game and stands up and be counted in games like last nights. You could see that passion and drive in the second half, when the team slackened off, Hendo was absolutely savaging them. i think he is a player for the big occasion, he has certainly been a big factor in our cup run thus far.

4.) 25 Apr 2018 11:13:43
it's a pity that fitness has really hit him hard. it's clear that he's no longer as fast, as strong, as energetic. The fit Henderson would have nicked some of the balls and burst right through their midfield (it could be because of his role, but even if given the license, I don't see him having the legs to do it) .

if he were not technically and tactically sound, and full of spirit and fight, he would have no impact on the game whatsoever. goes to show how good he actually is that in spite on ongoing and significant fitness issues, he is still having an impact on games.

5.) 25 Apr 2018 12:30:10
hendo shut down Nainngolaan all second half and triggered the press that started the move which led to the first goal. Also led by example, rallying the troops when things were not going well. Brilliant performance from him, all round.

6.) 25 Apr 2018 12:35:33
I think everyone has raised their game. And they all deserve recognition. That's why we are where we are. In a tournament format, I think we are probably the most feared team at the moment. And if we had started the season in the EPL the same way and at the same level, it wouldn't have been a runaway season for ManC and we'd be up there fighting with them until the end.



17 Dec 2017 17:17:21
I think salah is having a goal of the season competition with himself.


1.) 17 Dec 2017 17:20:43
He's just incredible isn't he, he could've scored 2-3 already this half, hope the lad gets at least one more.

{Ed0333's Note - I would love him to eclipse Hannibal Lectors record

2.) 17 Dec 2017 17:28:06
Hahaha! Ed333 I think the way it's going mate he will do, fingers crossed!

{Ed0333's Note - my only fear is he’s skying a lot of chances when he drops a shoulder and goes on his left foot. He’s getting lots of oppurtiniries in that fashion but spurning a few much to my chagrin. Clearly I’m being over critical and I’m in the minority. 😀



07 Dec 2017 11:40:09
Keita scored a nice goal last night. When he comes which position is he most suited to in that midfield three we played last night. Wijnaldums position?


1.) 07 Dec 2017 12:09:54
I would think so, and it would be a very positive move, Wini, has so good moments, but has way too many safe sideways and back passes for me, Keita would drive us forward even more .

2.) 07 Dec 2017 12:13:34
I thought Can and Gini were in a double pivot. When one attacked, the other sat back and vice versa.

Considering Can is leaving next summer at the latest, I'd say Keita will likely take his place. Henderson, Gini, Milner (if he stays) and Keita would then compete for the 2 midfield positions.

The front 4 is more interesting though. Mane, Salah, Firmino, Lallana, Woodburn, Chamberlain and Solanke are the only guys you'd expect will still be here next season. Origi will probably sign for Wolfsburg, Coutinho for Barcelona, Brewster looks likely to go to Dortmund, plus Sturridge and/ or Ings will most likely want first team football. But looking at the options already at the club and not looking like going anywhere for at least another season, it's hard to see any major motivation to replace Coutinho. I suppose just to maintain the quality in depth of having 2 good players for all positions it would be good to get Lemar, Meyer, Brandt or Draxler. Coutinho is still a key player, attitude or not.

God knows what will happen at the back though 😂.

3.) 07 Dec 2017 13:05:09
Kieta as a holding mid would be one of the dumbest thing on the football pitch. He should play alongside either Can or a proper holding mid. That’s all! Your midfiled is sorted. Both Henderson and Wijnaldum can sit on the bench!

4.) 07 Dec 2017 18:06:49
Harry i don't know how many times you need to be told, but we don't play with a holding mid. I agree with you that we should. I'd personally shunt Milner out the door and go for N'Zonzi.

However, Klopp likes mobile midfielders capable of playing everywhere between the two penalty boxes. Keita, Gini, Hendo and Milner can all do that all day long. So unless Klopp has a change of heart, or Milner asks to leave for more first team football, i strongly expect that to be our midfield roster for next season.

Lallana, Woodburn and Chamberlain are all capable of playing in midfield if Klopp chooses to revert to the 4-3-3. You don't play a holding midfielder in a 4-4-2 though. You play two box to box players with a decent understanding so that one player is always sitting back while the other attacks. I expect the first choice pairing will be Keita and Henderson, with Gini taking Henderson's spot in European games to manage his heel injury.

I'm only making a prediction mate. It's not what i would do, just what i expect Klopp to do. He doesn't see the need for a defensive midfielder so we don't need to bring it up every other thread.

5.) 07 Dec 2017 20:38:17
Spot on, MK. Klopp no longer plays with a traditional DM like he once did with Kehl, and Bender at BVB (almost a decade ago) . He even played with Sahin, a brilliant DLP when they won the league and Sahin was player of the year.

As MK and Ed01 said, Klopp wants to play a double pivot of mobile players who can break up play, press and switch defence to attack, all in one go. You and I may disagree with that BUT that fact has not changed. There is a reason Naby is coming and the goal he scored in the CL proves why.

Klopp wants high energy, mobility and speed in CM. If for ex., we could get a double pivot in CM of Keita-Kante, then that would be the perfect blend, IMO for Klopp. Like it or not, that is the reality so bleating on and on about getting a traditional midfield on every thread, is just an exercise in futility.

6.) 07 Dec 2017 22:18:25
MKS - I would agree with most of what you have said. However given that Liverpool have already tried and failed to shift Sturridge and only sent Origi out on loan because they failed to get rid of Sturridge, I suspect that they will try again. So presuming they succeed then I would expect Origi to stay and Sturridge to leave.
Im also hoping they will manage to keep hold of Brewster and start giving him first team opportunities next year. But Dortmund do have the advantage of a more open path to the first team (assuming they get rid of Aubedingdong)




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23 Jan 2019 13:25:46
Don't think ojo is gaining much from his loan. Probably needs to join a lower championship club in the summer and get regular minutes so he can start building his career back up.




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17 May 2018 23:10:40
Dembele and fekir alone would make it an amazing summer. But you do wonder where the hell they'd all play?




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04 Mar 2018 19:46:27
Guys I think by homeless ed002 means having to crash at the ritz whilst the contractors re-marble the staircase in his Chelsea penthouse.




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03 Mar 2018 20:37:11
He seems to have lost that nervousness from his game. No messing about on the ball. Just needed a run in the team. Shame we had to put up with mignolet for so long this season.




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14 Jan 2018 12:57:49
A little birdie told me the same thing.





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19 May 2019 19:30:38
3/ 4 of James milner would probably still do a solid job to be fair.




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11 Mar 2019 17:15:54
Fully agree. He's been the one consistently making stuff happen for a while now.




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18 Feb 2019 16:43:09
Such an interesting read about something I know nothing about. Great work!




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15 Jan 2019 13:11:19
Fabinho is a right back for Brazil at international level and milner has shown himself to be more than capable there. Matip back and gomez back in a few weeks. Nothing too much to worry about imo.




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06 Nov 2018 13:29:24
Wilson hit the post with another free kick too. I watched the highlights on YouTube and almost every clip starts with him driving at the opposite defence with the ball. Impressive.