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31 Aug 2017 20:32:37
Ryan Kent has gone out on loan to Freiburg. Decent move. Hopefully he gets some game time.

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05 Jun 2017 17:49:56
According to Graeme Kelly, the man who has been committed in his belief that Van Dijk would join us, all the way back to January, believes he knows the transfer structure of the deal.

Apparently, Van Dijk will cost £44 million and 8 million add ons (The add on being that we win the Premier League)

Not sure how true this is, but for me, the deal sounds like it is good for all parties. I still think 50 million plus for a centre back is over the top, but to buy quality sometimes you have to overspend. Hopefully he can shut me down and humiliate me by putting in some good performances.

Also, I think Joe Gomez's time at Liverpool is done. With Van Dijk starting, and hell, even Klavan ahead of him in the pecking order, Joe will have no choice but to leave to pursue first team football. A shame because I think the boy could be something special, if given time. I really hope he leaves on a loan but, with the money spent, and interest in him, I think the move will be permanent.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:06:43
Man I hope to god we end up paying £52 million for Dick Van Dyke!


2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:07:17
Think we'll loan Joe out from what the Ed's have said. Hopefully he has a good spell somewhere, comes back next summer and we sell Klavan.


3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:07:41
Both Sakho and Gomez will bring us some serious cash.


4.) 05 Jun 2017 18:18:08
If those figures are reasonably close then I think it's a brilliant deal. Expensive but so much better than what we already have and with scope for improvement at his age. Considering we should get a decent amount if we sell sakho and considering stones went for 50m last year,50 odd million seems par for the course for a good player in this summers market.


5.) 05 Jun 2017 18:23:15
Could klopp be thinking of using Gomes at either full back position? I'm sure he played RB for one of the England squads? Scored a beauty from there as well I seem to remember.


6.) 05 Jun 2017 18:39:17
Klavan or Gomez?

I know which player I'd be keeping.


 

 

30 May 2017 14:45:24
Very happy with the signing of Dominic Solanke. He is a deadly finisher, broken all kinds of records at youth level, and could really benefit from developing in our U23 squad before being moved up. Also, 2-3 million for a quality youth player who Mourinho has previously ear marked to be a big player for Chelsea and England, to the point that he said if Solanke didn't make the first team that it would be down to his, Mourinho's fault. Huge praise from a man who rarely gives it.

However, there does seem to be a down side to potential signings today. And that is that it looks like Ryan Sessegnon will be moving to Tottenham instead of us. The boy wants to stay in London, apparently, and fair play to the lad. Tottenham is a fantastic place for youngsters to develop and be given opportunities, unlike teams like Chelsea, City and United. So Sessegnon is clealy not moving to Tottenham for the money, he is moving because of further development and opportunities. A shame, as I think the lad had tremendous ability for someone his age, but we move on. Simple as that.

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07 Jul 2016 11:59:47
So it looks like Jordan Ibe really is leaving for Bournemouth, and for the reported 15 million too. In all honesty I think this is a good deal all round. Ibe needs to play more regularly and I think Bournemouth might be a great place to ply his trade. Best of luck to the lad, I wish nothing but the best for him.

Also, before people starting jumping on the 'we need a replacement' 'we need a costly replacement now' bandwagon. I have to admit, i don't think it is entirely necessary. Ibe was on the fringes of the squad after all, not a regular starter under Klopp.

So, rather than spend money to replace Ibe. why not give Sheyi Ojo the chance to push for the position. The lad is young, already contributed with a number of assists last season and looks like he would be up to challenge for a place.

We don't always need to go out and sign players the moment one leaves. We have several capable youngsters who can step in, Branagan and Ojo are at the top of my personal list along with Stewart.

And for all those people who say they are not good enough. look at Harry Kane as a prime example, struggled on loan but has scored 20 plus goals in the last two seasons. All Kane needed was a chance, just one chance to prove his worth and he delivered big time. If he had not then I am sure Tottenham would be lugged with an expensive signing who didn't have the consistency to play at the top of his game, ala Soldado.

Just my thoughts guys, I do wonder how many of you actually share my opinion on this though. After all, we could use the 15 million in areas we need to improve, ala left back.

Anyway, I hope the EDs are having a pleasant day and that all us fans - Yes, even you Harry - are having one equally as good.

YNWA.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 07 Jul 2016 12:09:25
Good post. I am actually quite sad to see Ibe leave, because we all had high hopes for him, but it seems things did not work out - and he did get a chance last season, unlike many youths simply pushed into the fringes - so the deal seems good for all parties involved. Replacing him would be a bit silly, since we already got Mane in as a starter and Ojo looks like the better rated talent currently. Not to mention the Coric rumours, and Marcovic still being part of the club and perhaps getting a chance in pre-season.


2.) 07 Jul 2016 12:26:18
I agree, good post Mango. Let him go and we don't need to replace fringe players. Use our youth development, Klopp knows what he is doing. Ibe looked lost going forward for us, hope he does and wish him all the best.


3.) 07 Jul 2016 12:27:43
Good post. Shame about Ibe, he will be making the right move and under Howe who knows how far he'll go?


4.) 07 Jul 2016 12:28:54
If it's true and we get 15mln for him then it's a good deal for all parties. He gets game time and a chance to develop, we get a very good sum for reinvestment into areas where we lack (LB) and we have capable junior replacements in Markovic and/ or Ojo that hopefully get a real chance to step up with proper game time.


5.) 07 Jul 2016 12:37:27
Hope he rips it up at Bournemouth good luck to the lad, needs game time. and we need to spend the cash on Hector, I'm sure klopp will read this and think, good idea lad.


6.) 07 Jul 2016 12:47:22
Bid for hector soon then.


7.) 07 Jul 2016 13:01:48
That's exactly why you play the kids. You either get a first team player or a nice transfer fee.

Always lock them into contracts because there is always someone to sell to.

Sometimes they won't sign which is fair dos bur tour hardly going to get burnt with first pro contracts.

Ibe moves on with all the best wishes, we get 15 mil for the coffers and we now out focus on another kid, maybe ojo. Give him a season and see how he does and a kid that age with potential regardless of form for us will fetch another ten mil next year easy peasy. Then move on to the next one until you find one that is good enough fir us.

If you want to keep them but don't want to have a hand in the development then sell then with buy back options. You won't make near enough money in but you won't get biten on the ass when said player becomes ballon sore winner haha

Good luck ibey lad. No hattricks against us though.


8.) 07 Jul 2016 12:51:06
I sincerely hope we put in a buy-back clause if indeed he does leave the club this summer. He's still a young lad and learning his trade. Can't help thinking we're letting him go a little too early.

{Ed002's Note - Why the sudden obsession with buy back clauses? I am not sure Liverpool can start to look to reduce their asking prices by doing such things.}


9.) 07 Jul 2016 13:14:59
Do we not already have a replacement for him in the form of Saido Mane'? This nets this deal back to circa £15m which is perhaps commercially more of what you would of expected.

Good luck Ibe, unfortunately just didn't live up to expectations!


10.) 07 Jul 2016 13:17:56
A buy back clause is not just something you put in there for fun or to look smart. You have to have a real plan behind it like Bayern for example, had with Lahm, Kroos, Alaba and Can (who we had to match his buy back fee to sign) . The sudden LFC fans` obsession with buy back clauses makes no sense, IMO.


11.) 07 Jul 2016 13:19:39
There is no need for buy back clauses, if the lad becomes good enough we will spend the money to buy him back. As ed has said it would reduce the fee and we have sold him. What makes anyone think he would want to come back to us. Morata is a special case, forget about buy backs.
Best of luck to Ibe, he has potential but as has been said he looked completely lost any time he played last year. He had a decent spell under Rodgers but I'm not sure he has the game intelligence to use all the pace and power he possesses.


12.) 07 Jul 2016 13:52:03
I think its the emergence of ojo that has pushed this deal through. It is clear neither ibe or ojo will be a starter this season, so there is only space for one on the bench in reality.
Ojo shows a lot of promise so ibe has been moved on to give him a chance.


13.) 07 Jul 2016 14:06:21
I agree that it was time for Ibe to move on, and I think the fee is one that we can be happy with. £15m for a player who got his chance but failed to live up to expectation is fine with me. Good luck to the lad, but was time for him to move on.

I don't agree with the people saying we don't need to replace him though. Yes we got Mane, but Ibe was the only wide man we had. Mane can play out wide but he's not an out and out winger. We have a couple of good options up front and also in the "Creative Midfielder/ Number 10" roles but we don't have any pacey wide men.

Sure we have Ojo but I don't think we can expect a 19yr old to be the only option we have out wide. We need more pace and someone who can actually put a decent ball into the box.


14.) 07 Jul 2016 14:46:29
Has he actually signed yet. just says fee agreed. don't run before you can walk.


15.) 07 Jul 2016 15:25:36
Did yous not know the buy-back clause is the new black?
Just because it's being talked about as part of the Canos sale now people want it included in every single deal.
Maybe Skrtel will have a 10/ 11 type season at Fener.
Quick! Insert a buy-back clause!

Really, 15mil is a great deal for such an unproven player. Ibe is all potential. Still, I'll be sorry to see him go. I could watch his goal against WB a thousand times. Always fun to watch 3 Pulis poles hit the deck like that. :)


16.) 07 Jul 2016 16:00:27
im thinking this is the reason we signed Mane because the club was in talks to sell Ibe, it makes sense one in one out so as others have said there's no reason to go out and buy a player as imo we already have done, good luck to Jordan he will show what he is about its a pity he never got a run out with us because i'm sure his potential would have turned into talent, so good luck to him and Skertal i hope they do well in their new clubs.


17.) 07 Jul 2016 16:34:59
NorRed, you don`t replace fringe players with players that won`t play. That is senseless especially if you are trying to reduce a bloated squad like we have. We have options on the right (Mane, Milner and Lallana) so adding another player will make it 4 options and that is why we don`t need to replace him.


18.) 07 Jul 2016 17:50:26
All the best to Ibe. Hope he develops and fulfills the early potential that he showed. Playing regularly will always help.

Cheers.


19.) 07 Jul 2016 20:36:34
Don't forget Liverpool don't get 15mil for Ibe, they get just over 12mil as Wycomb get a percentage.


20.) 07 Jul 2016 23:20:20
Good luck to Ibe. He wasn't good enough and never will be. I wish him well for his future.


21.) 08 Jul 2016 05:11:36
RedOhio, I agree you shouldn't replace fringe players with ones that don't play. I think he should be replaced with a better standard of player. What good is selling players and reducing the squad if all we are left with is the players we had last season. We need to improve, we should be aiming to finish top four and with the other teams competing for those places improving we need to as well, not just trimming the fat.

Klopp will improve players the players we already have but he can't turn Milner into Messi.

I don't agree with you that lallana is a wide player though. Sure he can play there but that's not his natural position and he still doesn't add any pace to the side (which I feel we lack, other than sturridge who do we have right now? ) I think he can do a job for us but he shouldn't be starting week in week out as a wide player. Mane I agree is an option but Milner shouldn't be in the starting lineup.


22.) 08 Jul 2016 12:19:01
£15m for a guy who is still unproven, a big gamble and the question appears to be ability to deliver on his potential is a very good return. I hope he does well because he seems a likeable lad and has potential but it also seems like he isn't going to move on more with us.


23.) 09 Jul 2016 15:13:23
NorRed, I agree with you completely on Milner and Lallana. I say in fact, I wouldn`t mind if they got sold because if they are not playing and should be on the bench as you say, their wages alone will count as what we call Dead money meaning, money that isn`t working for you. If the players on stupid wages aren`t playing regularly then they should be off the books and let another club deal with them.


 

 

31 May 2016 22:52:57
The Italian media seems to think we have signed Samuel Bastien from Anderlecht for between 4.6 million and 6 million, do you know anything about this E. D?

At first I thought it was lazy journalism, a writer trying to trick people into reading his story, but the player isn't someone who would bring in views. He is a relative unknown, at least to me, and I can't recall ever seeing his name being linked with us before.

Bastien, if he signs, would clearly be one for the future as, according to the same article, he wouls be loaned out immediately after joining us. Ala Divock Origi.

Anyway, wondering if you are aware of this or even know the player because I know absolutely nothing about him. Best wishes to all of you and I hope you have a restful few weeks before the transfer window finally opens :D.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 01 Jun 2016 08:21:36
He was playing in Serie B this season apprently.


2.) 01 Jun 2016 11:41:08
Labled the 2nd De Bryne no less. I guess this is the way now, rather then the next (insert former worldy here), it's now 'the second coming'.

Anyway, seems this could be an 'under radar' CAM over both Coric and Gotze. At 19/ 20 he can hardly be 'one for the future' looking at the age of some first team players.

This is Klopps way right? Sign young unknown players from lower sides or leagues and then create. We might see Gotze etc as 'a smokescreen', when in actual fact it's Bastian, Chilwell, Karius and a like.

I've highlighted most football clichés, but feel free to add more :)


 

 

 

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13 Dec 2017 23:02:16
Okay, seeing a lot of stick being directed towards Klopp on this site and on social media as well. Don't fully understand it myself but I thought I would add my own thoughts, as little as they are.

In my opinion, Klopp cannot, and should not, be blamed for the result. He put out a strong team, one that we were all begging for, but the players simply didn't take the chances that they should have taken. The tactics, Klopp's tactics, created chances, kept us defensively solid for the most part, and put us on the front foot for the majority of the match. We were the only team that looked like scoring, besides the odd scare that comes with our shaky defence.

The only thing Klopp can be blamed for us is the late subsitutions, which is a problem that has been apparent since he joined Liverpool. There were many players out there that looked tired and needed to come off (Salah) and others that were playing poorly and should have been removed earlier (Mane) .

That is the only area were I have grievances with Klopp and it is a problem easily rectified. On the whole, Klopp is not at fault for this result. We just didn't take our chances, simple as. A consistent problem, no doubt, but that doesn't make it no less true in this scenario.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 13 Dec 2017 23:16:22
Atleast oxy has been a revelation for us. What a waste of 40 million.


2.) 13 Dec 2017 23:19:16
Players bollocked Klopp for taking salah off when winning 1-0. So now you want him to do it at 0-0?
The hypocrisy is astounding.
Klopp had his best starting 11, maybe Gomez in for lovren. But hands down his best 11 we know off. Didn't score. Had the Fab Four. Didn't score. Looked lethargic and carrying pebbles in pockets, but that's what 99% of you all wanted.
To me two things have been proven, 1. It's nice to have a keeper that can come and catch a ball and 2. Rotation is key. Rafa was the worst for it, his stint wasn't too bad eh.


3.) 13 Dec 2017 23:26:05
Posters not players. It's late 🤦🏼‍♂️.


4.) 13 Dec 2017 23:57:45
I don't think Rafa dropped half the team after a 7-0 win. That's madness.


5.) 14 Dec 2017 00:01:50
I don't understand when people say the manager can't be blamed for the result.
That is the one thing the manager is most responsible for.
Win lose or draw, it's the manager's responsibility and his remit. That is what they are judged on.
If we don't get top 4 or a trophy the owners will not be blaming the players.


6.) 14 Dec 2017 01:20:19
I unfortunately didn’t get to see the game. But I’ll never understand why we ever put Ox in midfield. The only times he’s impressed has been on the wing in a forward position.
Granted idk where he played today but I’ve seen him take some stick.


7.) 14 Dec 2017 04:20:43
If it is not for managers fault, Brendan would be still at the club. Pulis at West Brom, Bilic at West Ham, De-Boer at Palace. Liverpool fans has other ideas!


8.) 14 Dec 2017 07:23:07
On a positive note. In the past we would have lost last nights game and same to Newcastle, Everton and Burnley. We've turned defeats into draws. On that not its step forward. Small steps but still forward.


9.) 14 Dec 2017 07:37:15
Salah missed a header against everton managers fault? mane slipped at a crucial moment against everton, managers fault? Again yesterday against wba we created chances where the ball should be in the net but hey klopp should be on the pitch converting those chances its all his fault.


10.) 14 Dec 2017 08:23:50
It was a good side Klopp put on the pitch and again we created chances. Against Everton and West Brom playing these sorts of tactics, putting one away early is critical because the way they play you won’t get too many clearcut shots on goal, and by the 60th they have gained confidence and become even harder to break down.

You need that first to draw them out. sometimes you get it, sometimes you don’t. Move on. nothing wrong with Klopps tactics apart from maybe subbing a little earlier hopefully.


11.) 14 Dec 2017 08:36:21
klopp is there to make decisions. the rest of the world is there to criticize them.


12.) 14 Dec 2017 12:23:41
Spot on, Grob and KloppDaKop. Blame Klopp for the players missing open chances. Blame Klopp for putting out the team many wanted when it does not work out. Same old, same old stuff. Salah and Mane looked tired BUT had Klopp subbed them off and we drew or lost, people will still be mad.

They forget that these games happen where your strikers are not on form and in some quarters, the refs don't help and only compound the frustrations. We just have to keep working hard and improving cos in the end, that is all you can control as a manager. When the players are on the pitch missing chances, you are powerless.

As for Brendan, he was a failure for the last 18 months of his reign and created a whole mess that Klopp is trying to fix till this day. He deserved the boot and Klopp has improved us steadily since then. Those are the facts.


13.) 14 Dec 2017 12:24:53
Klopp his a top manager who plays attacking football. Play to win, best form of defense is to attack. I will let the haters hate.
I love our style and remember 5mths of woy. We have lost 2 games so far this season City and spurs away.
I said top 4 and a good run into
champions league would be gòod season for me. We are still in the mix so I will keep the faith. Football should be about entertaining the fans. Our manager tries to do that.
Come on you reds.


 

 

13 Sep 2017 22:43:25
Klopp has been at the club for two seasons now. He should have been able to identify areas in our game that needed improvement. The problem was clear as day, the defence. Can you say the defence has, in any way, improved since Klopp joined the club!? No, I didn't think so.

Klopp has had two years to select players for his team and to remove the deadwood. Lovren is deadwood. How Klopp hasn't moved him on, I do not know. Klopp clearly sees a weakness in our defence, otherwise, why would he go for Van Dijk. He was unable to get the Southampton man and should have moved on to look for other players of equal quality. He didn't. He allowed Lovren to return to our starting 11. Now, in 7 matches we have conceded 13 goals. We are haemorrhaging goals at an alarming rate. The danger signs were there, for the last two seasons. And, Klopp has not dealt with the problem.

Klopp has brought in a number of players for his defence. Robertson, who has had one great game and then been allowed to just stagnate despite a hectic schedule. Matip, a player who seems afraid to get involved for fear of getting hurt, lacks conviction in his decision making, dallying and allowing players to run by him. Karius, a player Klopp believes has the skills to be our number one, gives the lad a run of games and then, at the first sign of dissent from the crowd, drops him for a player that was considered unsuitable.

Then you have Moreno, the man was with us all of last season but lost his place to James Milner. Milner is an absolute professional, but, he is no defender and Klopp decided to move a centre mid into the left back position for the majority of last season. Moreno barely got a game. Then, because of a few decent games in pre-season, which I consider inconsequential, Moreno was brought back to the starting 11. Despite being absent for an entire year. Moreno still makes the same mistakes but, I will admit, he is showing signs of improvement.

Klopp deserves to take some slack. Rodgers received a heap of it, making decision that we did not agree with, playing players out of position (Which Klopp has done more and to a worse extent) and we battered him. Why does Klopp get a reprieve? What has he actually done to deserve your allegiance?

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat, I will say this. I do not believe there is a better manager, available, that could do any better than Klopp. He is, in my opinion, the right man. However, Klopp needs help. Someone needs to talk with him and advise the need for additional coaches. Obviously, a defensive coach, someone who can instruct discipline and structure. Klopp won't like it, he is a stubborn man, but it is clearly needed. Klopp does not know how to set up a team evenly, he focuses on attack. The gap between our back four and midfield has been appalling since Klopp took over. If that was seen to, and our structure was better, I believe Klopp could take us quite far. However, he needs help. If he does not accept this help then I feel we will have a repetition of poor defensive perfomance undermining our brilliant attacking displays.

I hope I am wrong, and apologies for going to long, but this is a major issue that has been on my mind for so long. I love Liverpool but they are killing me every single week. Klopp needs to be held accountable for poor performance but, rather than simply criticise, why don't the club actually help the man. At least, that is my opinion.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 14 Sep 2017 01:03:42
Spot on. It is so disheartening to think of where we could be and achieve if we had even an average defense let alone a world class defense. To say there was NO ONE available that wasn't an improvement on what we have is laughable because nearly anyone would be. Let the youth play if nothing else! If we fail to make champions league next year for me klopp has to go. He will have had 5 transfer windows without improving the defense. He will be culpable and surely no one else can take the blame.


2.) 14 Sep 2017 03:11:37
Klopp won't accept any help. He is too stubborn and proud for that.
He has failed to grasp the fact that titles are won by having at a bare minimum a decent defence. If he feels there are very few defenders that can adapt to his ridiculous high press, then maybe he should change tactics a bit. A world class coach makes adjustments to suit the players at his disposal. At least that is what every LFC fan thought when Klopp made big promises to the owners when he got the job.
I am not frustrated with Klopp's impact so far, just disappointed. I expected better but another season of this ineptness and he might go down as the man who failed to live up to his billing as LFC manager more than Brendan himself.

{Ed001's Note - how do you know Klopp will not accept help? If he is too stubborn and proud, what do his assistants do then? Do you think they are just there to hold his coat while he does it all? This is just you having digs at Klopp now. Unfounded digs.}


3.) 14 Sep 2017 04:07:01
Hyypia may help, but Klopp won't add him, I guess.

{Ed001's Note - in what way would Hyypia help? He is a bit old to play and he showed in his stints in management no clue about coaching defences. Being a good defender does not make you a good defensive coach. The best defensive coach in recent years was George Graham but he played as an attacking midfielder.}


4.) 13 Sep 2017 23:23:24
Their second goal was a quick throw in that took out four of our players, nothing to do with coaching.


5.) 14 Sep 2017 00:03:52
Well said Mango. I think we all want klopp to succeed but regardless of how or why our defense just sucks. And we are correct to blame Klopp. I have some optimism with our young backs and even Moreno a tad but Lovren and Matio have regressed. We need to do something in the transfer market I am afraid as we have three guys who should be back ups at best and two of them are debatable whether they are even EPL quality at all.


6.) 14 Sep 2017 00:14:00
Jesus, I thought I wrote novels.
Technically Loop has only completed one full season.
Last season when we got CL.
I honestly still think he'll fix the defence by the end of next summer. It took him 2 summer windows to get out attack sorted. He has bought a great prospect in Kits for next year for midfield. Karius and Ward will fight for the keepers spot so that leaves the CB position.
It's not Football Manager on your laptop, it does take time to get in the right player. World class CBs are hard to find.


7.) 14 Sep 2017 13:02:59
Pls, people should stop projecting their opinions as facts as it is becoming pathetic. "Oh, Klopp is too stubborn" or "he won't take the help" "he's too proud" or blah, blah, blah. No one knows what is going on and no one knows if the help has been offered, if he asked for it or not. Your opinions are not facts so stop posting them as definitives. All we know is what Ed01 tells us and if you have info to prove him wrong, provide it. If you don't, then do us all a favor and stop projecting, and using it to take shots at the manager. It is cowardly and dishonest esp. if you have no clue what you are talking about.


 

 

13 Sep 2017 22:43:25
Klopp has been at the club for two seasons now. He should have been able to identify areas in our game that needed improvement. The problem was clear as day, the defence. Can you say the defence has, in any way, improved since Klopp joined the club!? No, I didn't think so.

Klopp has had two years to select players for his team and to remove the deadwood. Lovren is deadwood. How Klopp hasn't moved him on, I do not know. Klopp clearly sees a weakness in our defence, otherwise, why would he go for Van Dijk. He was unable to get the Southampton man and should have moved on to look for other players of equal quality. He didn't. He allowed Lovren to return to our starting 11. Now, in 7 matches we have conceded 13 goals. We are haemorrhaging goals at an alarming rate. The danger signs were there, for the last two seasons. And, Klopp has not dealt with the problem.

Klopp has brought in a number of players for his defence. Robertson, who has had one great game and then been allowed to just stagnate despite a hectic schedule. Matip, a player who seems afraid to get involved for fear of getting hurt, lacks conviction in his decision making, dallying and allowing players to run by him. Karius, a player Klopp believes has the skills to be our number one, gives the lad a run of games and then, at the first sign of dissent from the crowd, drops him for a player that was considered unsuitable.

Then you have Moreno, the man was with us all of last season but lost his place to James Milner. Milner is an absolute professional, but, he is no defender and Klopp decided to move a centre mid into the left back position for the majority of last season. Moreno barely got a game. Then, because of a few decent games in pre-season, which I consider inconsequential, Moreno was brought back to the starting 11. Despite being absent for an entire year. Moreno still makes the same mistakes but, I will admit, he is showing signs of improvement.

Klopp deserves to take some slack. Rodgers received a heap of it, making decision that we did not agree with, playing players out of position (Which Klopp has done more and to a worse extent) and we battered him. Why does Klopp get a reprieve? What has he actually done to deserve your allegiance?

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat, I will say this. I do not believe there is a better manager, available, that could do any better than Klopp. He is, in my opinion, the right man. However, Klopp needs help. Someone needs to talk with him and advise the need for additional coaches. Obviously, a defensive coach, someone who can instruct discipline and structure. Klopp won't like it, he is a stubborn man, but it is clearly needed. Klopp does not know how to set up a team evenly, he focuses on attack. The gap between our back four and midfield has been appalling since Klopp took over. If that was seen to, and our structure was better, I believe Klopp could take us quite far. However, he needs help. If he does not accept this help then I feel we will have a repetition of poor defensive perfomance undermining our brilliant attacking displays.

I hope I am wrong, and apologies for going to long, but this is a major issue that has been on my mind for so long. I love Liverpool but they are killing me every single week. Klopp needs to be held accountable for poor performance but, rather than simply criticise, why don't the club actually help the man. At least, that is my opinion.

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31 Aug 2017 13:09:49
Reports coming out that Van Dijk has been seen leaving the Southampton training ground in the back of a blacked out car?

My question is simply this. how can you see someone in the back of a blacked out car!? It is blacked out, meaning you are not supposed to see in. It could be anyone.

Classic Sky Sports reporting. Will release any story if it gets people to place bets on their website. Spread news that goes against what they actually know or believe will happen.

What a world we live in.

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1.) 31 Aug 2017 13:22:01
going to for a maccies drive thru.


2.) 31 Aug 2017 13:24:45
It was his car. so assume going home from training. He has held further discussions with Saints today - maybe they went well? if not I'm sure we will be in touch. But very time poor at the moment.

End of the day VVD want a WC place for Holland therefore he will have to play at some point and the Saints know this!


3.) 31 Aug 2017 13:26:11
It was his own car he left in.


4.) 31 Aug 2017 13:37:40
Why wasn't he driving his own car?


 

 

29 Aug 2017 16:33:36
Sounds like Mamadou Sakho has finally got his move away from Liverpool. He will join Crystal Palace by the end of the transfer window.

The deal is worth an initial £20m with add-ons rising to 30 million, which was Liverpool's original price. Good piece of business, in my opinion.

Now I have my fingers crossed for Van Dijk, Thomas Lemar, Coutinho staying and Lazar Markovic being sold for around 15 million. Hopefully good things come to those who wait because we have all been waiting a while for something good to happen since Salah joined :D.

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1.) 29 Aug 2017 16:36:12
Why do you want Coutinho to stay?


2.) 29 Aug 2017 16:49:41
Because we need a good squad, with depth and quality.

Coutinho would be perfect for cup games and to fill in for any of our front 3 in case they get injured :P.


3.) 29 Aug 2017 17:33:06
Goalkeepers
Mignolet, Karius, Ward.

Defenders
Matip, Lovren, Klavan, Gómez, Clyne, A. Arnold, Moreno, Robertson, ( Van dijk, Flanagan, Sakho )

Middlefields
Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Grujic, ( Coutinho, Lemar )

Forwards

Mane, Salah, Firmino, Sturridge, Solanke, Woodburn ( Origi, Kent, Markovic )


 

 

 

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17 Nov 2017 16:55:12
Messi and Ronaldo showed commitment to their craft for the vast majority of their careers. Their first thought was improving themselves every single day, to focus on getting better and better.

Ronaldinho is not in the same category as those two. He spent most of his time partying, missed training sessions and believed all the hype generated by the media. It went to his head and, just when it looked like he could be mentioned in the same breath of the best footballers to ever exist, he ruined everything. The man put on so much weight, focused on showing off to the crowd rather than play for the team. He was a hindrance in the end and, thankfully, was removed before it could effect Messi's development.

Ronaldinho is not a world class player, in my opinion, to be world class you need to maintain your best. Ronaldinho disrespected his profession by not commiting and, as a result, he should not be considered anywhere near world class.

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31 Aug 2017 14:29:02
Option to buy!?!?!

Have you lost the plot mate. Why would we sell one of our best young prospects leave us before he can mature into a decent player!?!?

And, no. Rangers!?!?! Woodburn needs to play for a better side, no offense to Rangers, but the Scottish league is far from competitive.

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30 Aug 2017 16:12:33
Well, if Liverpool are unable to bring in a centre back then there is a very good chance my computer will be thrown out the window.

If we do very good business, with a couple of very good signings, that include a centre back, then there is a every chance I will jump out of my window, completely naked, and sprint around my neighbourhood with the police and my girlfriend chasing me down trying to stop me.

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14 Jul 2017 22:24:27
Wives?

Lucky man ;)

I raise a glass to you, sir.

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14 Jul 2017 18:35:42
Great signings if they happen, I have many questions over the fees and such, but considering how crazy this transfer window has been I can accept that. After all, after Man City spent 50 million on an average Kyle Walker, I have no doubts fees will continue to soar to ridiculous lengths. This transfer window has been utterly ridiculous. Football has been taken over by money, I used to believe that youth development and patience had its place in Football, but those times are no more. A shame.

Keita, happy with this signing, although I'm wondering who will leave considering how many centre mid we already have at the club. We are overloaded with them.

Van Dijk, fingers crossed this turns out to be the big signing that we have needed in the centre of defence. He's a big lad, quick and is very comfortable on the ball. Issues with concentration, etc, but a definite upgrade on Lovren and possibly even Matip. Although, we now have three centre backs with suspect injury history (less so in Dijk's case) and Joe Gomez might very well be considering his options.

Robertson, stupid signing. He is suspect in every department, but Klopp clearly sees something in the lad, believes that are tools he can develop. Let's hope so, otherwise, it will be another season of Milner (I love the guy for his work ethic and willingness to play out of position) cutting onto his right foot when a left footed cross is the preferred option.

Great job Macca. You have been a great source of information. I wish you all the best to you and your family.

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13 Dec 2017 22:58:28
I wouldn't write off Robertson just yet. The lad has ability but has been sat in the stands for a long time. He needs a rhythmn of games to understand his role, a chance to make mistakes and learn from them. All manner of training can happen throughout the weeks but matches are where most players really begin to understand the role and the demands placed on them.

I personally agree with you, ED. I didn't think Robertson had a good game, at all. However, with time and patience, I think he could push himself into the first 11. It will be difficult, as Moreno has really refound a good vein of form, but he has a period of time where he can play regularly and learn. New team, new way of playing, new expectations. This will take time but I think he, and we, will be better for it.

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{Ed0333's Note - Not writing him off mate just saying he has a bad game. I concur with regards to Robertson being coached into a better player Christ Kloppo done it with Moreno and I thought he was a lost cause. I will however maintain Robertson isn’t up to the required standard momentarily. If we were to play PSG, Madrid, Barcelona or Juve in the Champions League would you be confident with Robertson at left wing back?


 

 

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13 Dec 2017 22:52:27
Klopp cannot be blamed for the result. He put a strong team out, which we were all begging for, but the players simply didn't take the chances that they should have taken. The tactics, Klopp's tactics, created chances, kept us defensively solid for the most part, and put us on the front foot for the majority of the match.

The only thing Klopp can be blamed for us is the late subsitutions, which is a problem that has been apparent since he joined Liverpool. There were many players out there that looked tired and needed to come off (Salah) and others that were playing poorly and should have been removed earlier (Mane) .

That is the only area were I have grievances with Klopp and it is a problem easily rectified. On the whole, Klopp is not at fault for this result. We just didn't take our chances, simple as. A consistent problem, no doubt, but no less true in this scenario.

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13 Dec 2017 22:48:12
For me, there are two sides of Wijnaldum. One, is the man that strings together passes in our midfield and helps it to operate. And two, is the man that is completely annonymous during matches, afraid to make a mistake or do anything that might make him look bad.

Unfortuantely, the latter is the player we seem to get consistently. He has good to great games, don't get me wrong, but they are few and far between. Most games, Gini might as well not be playing. He seems scared, would rather be distant from the action than get stuck in and make himself known. More technical than aggressive.

I think Keita is the upgrade we need, he has a lot more in his locker, is brave, aggressive, and can contribute to offensive moves with his dribbling and pace. Gini is a decent back up option, nothing more. To step in when someone needs a rest or when an injury has occured.

He should not be starting, in my opinion. Unfortunately, we have little option as we have a frequent run of games coming up and he is needed. The man will never decide a game for us, he will always be in the background, either helping our passing game flow or he will be non-existant.

I am sure many will disagree but these are just my thoughts.

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18 Nov 2017 00:02:41
And in steps Ragnar Klavan :O.

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18 Nov 2017 00:02:41
And in steps Ragnar Klavan :O.

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