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01 Mar 2016 06:12:30
Morning ed

Is there any chance off putting up an update on players which we are looking at please?

As I can't seem to find the one you did the other week, it would be much appreciated thankyou.

LAVERS

{Ed002's Note - I think this should give you something to chew on for a while.

Before we get in to discussing players there are a three things which are relevant to what happens leading up to the summer. Firstly, folks (including Klipperty) must make a decision about the loan players as the club cannot keep adding to the first team squad and then expect to bring the loan players back in to it as well. Secondly, fans need to step back from any thoughts about there being some baseball (“moneyball”) related transfer policy at the club - complete red herring. All clubs look to buying and developing youngsters with the purpose of using them. If they don't use them for whatever reason they would obviously like a return on their investment, but it is not a driver to buying young players. Equally there needs to be a mix of experience the team in order to deal with the rigours of soccerball at the highest level - hence the likes of Milner and Lallana were purchased by Liverpool. And to confirm this it is not "policy" to buy young and cheap to sell at a profit, you then need to look at what Liverpool has paid for some of these youngsters. Firmino is the best example from the batch there at present - €41M potentially rising to €50M for a player that no German side were interested in buying from Hoffenheim at his €25M release clause.

Finally, a timely reminder as to how the Liverpool transfer process works. The manager will have discussed the players he would like to bring in with the transfer committee throughout the season and scouts will bring other names to the table via Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows. These would all be looked at by Michael Edwards and his team and perhaps then a refined list could be considered. When it comes to the financial side and any approaches to other clubs it will be up to Mr Ayre to investigate the availability of players negotiate and subsequently agents and clubs. Mr Gordon will, overall, be responsible for providing input from the perspective of the owners and from an overall standpoint of the club.

Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.}

The fans tend to see giant holes across the squad and often have distorted views - "we need a striker", "Mignolet has to go", "Can makes too many mistakes", "Lucas has to be moved on", "Moreno is not a good defender", "we must get four new centre backs", "Ilori is the greatest footballer of all time" etc.. Coaches and managers take in to consideration how a squad is built and how teams work together - they will look more at the group than individuals - and then they will look to individuals who can improve that group. Fans tend not to see that and simply crave "marquee" signings. It is a long way to go still. Rebuilding and make large numerical changes year-on-year has not suited Liverpool in the past - I doubt it will next summer either.

Some of this will change by the summer and there are major dependencies on (a) players leaving, and (b) how much money the club can raise through sales. However, there is known to be (or have recently been) some level of interest in the following players fairly recently:

Goalkeeper:

The money was never going to be there last summer for an expensive goalkeeper given the significant spending (and over-spending) on other players. The club were clearly happy with Mignolet and never tried to replace him. I am not sure that anything has changed much in the few months Klipperty has been around and I would be very surprised if a decision has been taken this early to replace him next summer. Mignolet has been given a new contract so a move is not likely. The club has, as I have previously explained, looked at another goalkeeper since Klipperty arrived and they have continued to look at other players from a scouting perspective. But right now this does not mean too much and please don't read too much in to it. Liverpool are are likely browsing and tyre kicking like many other clubs.

Real Betis' Antonio Adan returned to Spain after citing problems settling in Italy. He has certainly attracted the attention of scouts from a number of teams this season with Everton, Southampton, Marseille, Sunderland and Newcastle all paying attention as far as Betis understand. I am not aware of any declared interest from Liverpool although he has been scouted. The club will certainly be looking for a replacement for Bogdan in the summer and Adan would give Mignolet a better run for his money. Adan would also be much cheaper than ter Stegen who seems to be the one the supporters want. Marseille may drop their interest in the light of something going on in the background. If Sunderland were to be relegated then I would discount them. What I don't know is if the player would want to leave southern Spain for England.}

Patricio has been looked at before and has been looked at again (on more than one occasion this season – pre and post Klipperty but that will not be of relevance) - it does't mean there is particular interest but they are keeping him in mind - certainly not a January option.

Marseille's Steve Mandanda is out of contract in the summer and Marseille would ideally like a new deal. They would not to sell in January as it would have given them a goalkeeping issue they don't want. There has been no approach made to Marseille by Liverpool but he could be considered going forward. Won’t be interested in being anything other than first choice.

Asking price for ter Stegen is sky high for a player who has hardly played the last couple of years. The player wants to stay in Barcelona and is looking to new opportunities there next season, but critically he wants guarantees of playing time and is asking the club rather than the manager about this. There is no secret that Manchester City has declared an interest with Barcelona and have indeed made an offer, but with Joe Hart there I cannot see his situation would be any better other than for the money. Liverpool will certainly be looking for a replacement for Bogdan in the summer - and someone who would give Mignolet a run for his money. Adan has been of interest amd would also be much cheaper than ter Stegen who seems to be the one the supporters want. Barcelona has admitted the interest of Manchester City, but not at this time Liverpool - but that could change.

My advice would be for Liverpool to look at Begovic.

Right Back:

Not entirely out of the question but where would a new right back fit with Clyne, Flanagan, Wisdom?:

Included as someone recently mentioned him: I think if Liverpool did have any interest in Ola Aina and were able to speak to the player, and critically, offer him first team football guarantees then something can be done. It strikes me as unlikely that the club would be willing to make such a commitment. A couple of clubs have approached Chelsea about him - although Liverpool isn't one. Napoli had an offer of a loan turned down in the summer and Monaco were looking to Aina as cover for Fabinho who they may lose.

Centre Back:

With Toure leaving in the summer Liverpool are interested in strengthening the centre back position. With the addition of Matip and Ilori returning from loan it will still likely take a couple to leave if there is to be a further addition – but I suspect Subotic is yet to be fully out of the picture.

Dortmund will be willing to let Neven Subotic, who has been of interest to Spartak Moscow and Arsenal, leave in the summer. I suspect the interest of Arsenal has moved on but I would not rule out an offer being made by Hamburg, Hannover or Liverpool. He will be avialable at a good price and he is a player who Klopp has worked with at his two previous clubs.

Schalke's Joel Matip will join in the summer.

PSGs Lamine Ba has been of interest to Liverpool but he would be an unlikely addition to the first team squad.

Left Back:

With Moreno, Smith and Gomez (to return) and even with Enrique to depart at some point Liverpool are persisting in looking at young left backs.

Lorient left-back Raphael Guerreiro has been of previous interest to Newcastle, Milan, Arsenal, PSG, Manchester City and Sampdoria. Marseille, Liverpool, Sunderland and Swansea have had watched the player this season - whilst an Arsenal scout says they may look again. Liverpool interest would come to the fore only if Moreno were to leave.

Leicester’s Ben Chilwell has been attracting the attention of a number of sides with Arsenal, Brighton & Hove Albion, Liverpool and Norwich all attending Huddersfield Town games to watch the loanee after he impressed in the academy last season. Spurs and Newcastle have also been keeping a watchful eye. However, to cover for an injury, Claudio Ranieri has recalled Chilwell but matters are seemingly being taken out of his hands as Arsenal has made a formal approach to Leicester about a January transfer. Leicester fought off that approach but will have to do the same in the summer.

Out of contract in the summer, Besiktas' Ismail Koybasi is attracting the attention of Valencia and has been watched by Empoli, Shakhtar Donetsk and Dinamo Kiev. There is an unconfirmed suggestion by the player's representative that Manchester United and Liverpool are interested in him.

Approaches to the MLS have been made by Genk, Reading and Shimizu S-Pulse in respect of LA Galaxy's Gyasi Zardes. I suspect the interest of Liverpool left with Rodgers.}

Defensive Midfield:

Liverpool will have the option of playing Grujic in a holding midfield position if the wish and have Lucas, Emre Can the well respected Rossiter and even Pedro Chirivella who could play there. I don’t see an immediate problem but they have certainly looked at players.

Liverpool had scouts at a Porto match (against Maccabi Tel Aviv) - I don't know who they were looking at as several Porto players are attracting attention (Martins Indi, Brahimi and Neves) but the suggestion it was Porto's Ruben Neves. Asenal were present at the same match and against Dinamo Kyev, and may well be interested in Neves - however, the outrageous asking price might well scare them off.

Chelsea, Manchester City, Barcelona Napoli, Liverpool, Arsenal and Juventus have all shown an interest in teenage Ajax midfield player Riechedly Bazoer. Napoli has made an offer but taking advice from a third party who provides consultancy for one of the interested sides, the player is keen to stay at Ajax and bide his time (hoping Barcelona come calling rather than just looking). I suspect the interest from all sides will continue but he was not one for January. In order to avoid a subsequent summer auction, Chelsea has opened discussions with Ajax about how a transfer may be possible. They are willing to include a player if that helps but are aware that Manchester City are likely to soon make an approach as well.

Liverpool showed interest in Borussia Monchengladbach’s Nordtveit back in January 2012. It was suggested in Germany in 2012 that Arsenal might look to buy the player back at one time, that the interest of Sunderland would lead to an offer. However, he is out of contract at the end of the season and the only side who has shown a real interest so far is Borussia Dortmund - but unlike non Bundesliga sides, they cannot approach him at this time. West Brom, West Ham and Southampton have watched him but my understanding is that none have requested to speak to the player. Monchengladbach are still keen on a new deal with him. Any suggested interest from Liverpool right now seems to me to be wide of the mark but he will be out of contract in the summer.

Malaga are very keen to sell Ignacio Camacho but refuse to reduce their €20M asking price. Previous interest from both Atletico Madrid and Napoli has gone due to his persistent injury problems and the hopes of Inter Milan were dashed by the asking price - although they were willing to take a risk on a loan with an option to buy deal given the players repeated injury issues - although he is currently fit and playing. I have no idea what he would be doing at Melwood - as far as I know they have not made any approach to his club which would make a meeting a potential major issue for the club. If they have been given permission to ship him to Liverpool for a look around the medical facilities when he should be training with his club then that seems a little surprising. Malaga laughed off all suggestion that the player visited Melwood.

Midfield:

I don't think there are any plans for Lucas to leave right now and with Henderson, Can, Lucas, Milner, Stewart, Allen, Brannagan, Rossiter and Chrivella all playing in an area (where only two would typically start) and Grujic arriving I am not sure it will be the priority area where the club will look to make changes in the summer. I do however agree that Allen may well leave. If Lucas were also to leave and a decision made not to promote any of the youngsters then perhaps the club would look to this as more of a priority. However, a little side note regarding one of the normally ignored players that may well be impacted by this move – Allan. He got another loan for Allan in January and there is a slim chance that he might be able to get a work permit later in 2016 - getting called in to the International U20 side would be a boost. But even that could be touch and go and if he doesn't get one then there is a problem in that he could end up not being eligible to play as a home grown player - then we are in to a big decision being made. Right now Liverpool is not well structured for looking after such players - something I would hope that they can address – but the addition of Grujic makes Allan’s long-term future as a Liverpool player in doubt.

Norwich's Todd Cantwell has attracted the interest of Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle.

Liverpool, along with Manchester United, Stoke and in Particular Bournemouth, are looking at Leeds' Lewis Cook.

Granit Xhaka signed a new long-term contract but there was interest from Napoli, Atletico Madrid and Inter in January. Previous interest from Stoke and Everton is gone. Newcastle, Valencia, Manchester City, Spurs, Napoli and Arsenal have scouted the player this season and any would likely continue that interest with a bid if he were available. I can completely discount Inter at this time and although interested Atletico are needing to plan very carefully knowing that they have a significant issue on the horizon. Borussia Monchengladbach made it very clear that he would not move in January and that is what was told to Napoli when they made an approach to the club. I am not aware of Liverpool either directly tapping up the player nor approaching his father as the Liverpool fans have been suggesting nor am I aware of him being announced prior to any European game by Liverpool. In the coming months we will likely see Manchester City, Arsenal and Napoli posturing regarding Xhaka.

Manchester United, CSKA Moscow and Liverpool were all impressed with the scouting reports on Shakhtar Donetsk's Viktor Kovalenko.

Manchester City had a sustained interest in Piotr Zielinski but Udinese didn't want to sell him and over the summer they stepped back from their pursuit of him. Certainly he will not be moving in January but a number of clubs have looked at him whilst on loan at Empoli including Brighton, Liverpool, Napoli, Roma, Auxerre, Young Boys and Bayer Leverkusen.

The constantly fishing agent of Rubin Kazan's Magomed Ozdoev has said Schalke, Bayer Leverkusen, Liverpool and Spurs have watched the player this season. Previously he said that Dortmund, Lyon, Basel and Spartak Moscow are interested in the player. Tough to see a move to England happening.

Attacking Midfield:

Liverpool has plenty of options for attacking midfield players. I don’t expect anything to happen much in the summer

Gillingham's Bradley Dack has drawn scouts from Bristol City, Newcastle, Arsenal, Brighton, Liverpool, Ipswich Town and Spurs to watch him this season. Gillingham rejected an offer from Bristol City in January. Liverpool are certainly interested and did manage a couple of goals when watched by Liverpool and Ipswich representatives. I would not be surprised to see a premier league offer for Dickory.

Interest in Anderlecht's Dennis Praet has run hold and cold for a while and the likes of Ajax, Everton, Southampton, Hoffenheim and Dynamo Moscow have moved on in the past year. Both Sevilla and Valencia had offers rejected in the summer whilst Aston Villa were also being kept informed by Anderlecht of any approaches for the player, but there is no way the player will want to move there and they won't have that sort of money to spend on one player. Juventus were represented at a couple of games but were, I understand, unconvinced by the player - but I suspect interest will continue knowing that his value might well tumble as his contract is running down. Fiorentina has had several meetings with representatives of the player and Anderlecht - and were seemingly getting to the point where an agreement over a January transfer could be reached but interest in another player has given them an unexpected twist to deal with and they are now out of the picture. Arsenal has again looked at him in recent weeks, once they knew that there could be a January bid from elsewhere, but I am not aware of them taking it any further just yet. I understand that Liverpool are again interested in the Praet, and it is a player Klipperty would like. Praet may well provide more versatility than others as he has the ability to play as a winger as well as an attacking midfield player. Borussia Dortmund has also been showing recent interest.

Schalke rejected bids from Spurs and Stoke for Leroy Sane in the summer of 2015. A number of clubs from across Europe have had the player watched in the first and reserve sides towards the end of last season and at the start of this - including Manchester United, Barcelona, Sunderland, Manchester City, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayer Leverkusen, PSG, West Ham and RBL. Do not discount a bid from Manchester City in the summer after an approach was pushed back in January - where they were loathe to meet the potential asking price, even though they were willing to make a very significant offer. Know Manchester City know that a bid from Barcelona is imminent and that will be immediately followed by a bid from Real Madrid as the three clubs battle over a summer move. As to whether he is ready just yet, no, probably not. There is the potential to yet again see a great talent squashed (at least for a year or two).

Milan have enquired about the availability of Palermo's Franco Vazquez and were told that he would be allowed to leave in the summer if an offer of more than €30M were made. That would be enough to scare off Inter and Sevilla who have looked at him since the beginning of the season. Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs have scouted the player this season with Juventus Liverpool and Manchester United showing increased interest recently, but Milan seem confident a move will happen in the summer.}

Winger:

Clearly Liverpool have been looking in particular at wingers with their scouting and that in itself may sound the death knell for Markovic. With Ibe, Ojo and Canos on the books in addition to several players like Milner, Origi and even Lallana and Firmino who are comfortable in those positions - and youngsters like Kent, it seems some sort of reshuffle will be necessary. Liverpool don’t seem to have honed in on one target but they are certainly looking.

Georges-Kevin N'Koudou of Marseille - perhaps a youngster for the summer for one of the many clubs who have looked at him - including Crystal Palace, Valerncia, Southampton, West Ham, Liverpool and Manchester United. Marseille would certainly be open to a very high and over the odds offer.

Manchester City, Atletico, Spurs and Valencia have all previously declared an interest in Gokhan Tore with Atletico having made two offers to take him as a replacement for Arda Turan in the summer. I would think any Manchester City bid is dependent on David Silva moving on and that has gone for now. Valencia will probably not now follow up on their interest. Spurs interest remains. Additionally, Besiktas has said that Arsenal has again watched the player. However, they have said that they are not looking to sell him over the winter window but are open to further discussions over making an agreement for a summer move to Atletico Madrid - and further discussions are scheduled but Atletico accept that the summer is a more likely time for a move but are also aware good performances at the Euros will boost his price - hence they would like to agree the framework for a deal now. Besiktas have not been approached by West Ham United with any offer to take Tore back to London. but have admitted that Everton, Liverpool and Arsenal (again) have watched the player before the holidays.

PSG may well be less willing to let Moura move as he has now settled better in France - but it took a very long time. An attempt was made to strike a deal for Lucas Moura to make a return to Sao Paulo on loan in January 2015, but PSG pulled the plug as discussions dragged on. Juventus had declared interest if he becomes available but baulked at the €40M asking price they were given. Spurs and Liverpool did manage to scout him recently, although he has been starting from the bench a lot this season. Whilst his agent has spoken to Arsenal about him, the player himself is now keen to stay in Paris, and having settled, PSG will likely support that. As such, I suspect a summer move to be unlikely.

Partizan Belgrade's Andrija Zivkovic has been of sustained interest to Atletico Madrid and Chelsea with Real Madrid, Valencia, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Spurs, Benfica and Cagliari all watching the player. Chelsea were looking to sign Zivkovic in the summer and send him on loan, and Real Madrid has made similar advances that were also rebuffed. But it is Atletico who were probably best placed to complete a January deal - but could not get by complex ownership issues involving Pini Zahivi needing to be resolved first. One to watch for the summer.

According to his father, Liverpool, Celtic and Munich 1860 are interested in Dinamo Zagreb's Davor Lovren, brother to Dejan. He plays in the reserve team and I have no idea how much, if any, interest Liverpool have in him. He would be one for the future.

Ajax will look to keep Anwar El Ghazi from interested parties for perhaps one or two years. Bayern Munich, Milan, Liverpool, Manchester United, Leicester, Atletico and Chelsea have all declared an interest. The player has said he wants to play for Real Madrid. Chelsea were to put an offer on the table in the summer and would have been willing to leave him with Ajax for up to two years. However a third party advisor to Chelsea blocked any move at that time citing the player as still being inconsistent and wanting longer to consider whether or not Chelsea should progress a move for the player who he thinks could "disappear" very easily at a higher level, and particularly in England - this was the same person who said Depay was not ready this summer. Arsenal have now had him watched in a match against Vitesse Arnhem - whether that will manifest itself as interest or not is unclear right now. Milan, who had a January bid rejected, will use income from El Shaarawy to explore again if a deal can be done and have appointed a third party to act on their behalf.

Odd's Rafik Zekhnini is a player that van Gaal tried to take to Manchester United in the summer whilst PSV, Dortmund and, I understand, Liverpool have all been taking a look at him this season.

Striker:

Liverpool has Sturridge, Firmino, Origi, Benteke, Ings and Sinclair in the first team squad with Balotelli, Yesil and Awoniyi out on loan – a striker is not really needed at this time even with Balotelli, Yesil and probably Sinclair moving on.

As Real Madrid prepare for a potential transfer ban they have spoken with Monaco regarding Kylian Mbappé (who cannot sign a professional contract until December 2016) about an agreement to possibly recruit him in 2017. A number of clubs have been watching him including Barcelona, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Bayer Leverkusen, Rennes, Marseille and PSG, but next January might be a better time for a move. Arsenal are talking to Monaco about options.

Stade Rennais' Paul Georges Ntep has been of interest to Stoke, Monaco, QPR, Bordeaux and Montpellier. Marseille, Bayern Munich, Southampton, Atletico, Spurs, Liverpool, Saint-Étienne, Chelsea, Arsenal, Lille and Manchester City are known to have watched the player earlier this season. But only Stoke has made a firm offer and a recent approach by Monaco was rebuffed by the player himself who wants a year more at Rennes to ensure that when he moves it will be for first team football - very sensible. PSG will very probably push in the summer.}

Sporting Lisbon are open to selling Islam Slimani at the right price and the prior interest of West Ham and Crystal Palace has been revived. Previous interest from Fiorentina, Napoli, Fenerbahce, Aston Villa, Spurs, Norwich and Bordeaux appears to have gone. Leicester, Shalke, Bayer Leverkusen, Liverpool, Udinese, Everton and Borussia Dortmund have scouted the player recently. If an offer close to the asking price is made it is possible a deal can be done this Summer for the striker. They were asking close to €30M and rejected a €17M offer from an English side out of hand in January. So perhaps €25M would work. Liverpool will likely not pursue their interest.

No doubt much will change in the coming months.}


1.) 01 Mar 2016 08:37:50
Thanks Ed.


2.) 01 Mar 2016 10:07:38
Much appreciated ed thanks.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


3.) 01 Mar 2016 10:07:38
Much appreciated ed thanks.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


4.) 01 Mar 2016 14:05:10
Thank you ed002 after that no one should ask you any more as its all there.


5.) 01 Mar 2016 15:22:05
Thank you very much Ed. So essentially, it is complicated to sign players and we have too many squad players. Klopp needs to see who he has faith in before he (and the committee) buy?

{Ed002's Note - The club cannot simply add players without other leaving, the squad is already bloated.}


6.) 01 Mar 2016 19:55:38
Ed002 Truly outstanding post. Great read kept it in my favourites folder to refer back too.


 

 

30 Jan 2016 13:49:13
Afternoon eds

I read ed02s latest on players we have been watching, but who if anyone do you think we could get this window?

Cheers.

LAVERS

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to trying to tie anything to timescales, but out of the players I listed NKoudou was watched again by Liverpool scouts (joined by representation of Southampton now) but Marseille do not expect anything to happen this month. A bid for Nolito would not be out of the question.}


1.) 30 Jan 2016 14:21:19
Buy Nkoudou off Saints in 6 moths time then 😄.


2.) 30 Jan 2016 14:22:08
Cheers ed

I appreciate not getting into timescales as things change fast, just seeing if we would see any movement in the next couple of days.

Thanks again.


3.) 30 Jan 2016 14:32:19
Ron, that's crazy, but true! Liverpool!


4.) 30 Jan 2016 14:32:19
Ron, that's crazy, but true! Liverpool!


5.) 30 Jan 2016 15:08:52
I think we'd be better keeping the wallet closed if the option is Nolito and waiting til the summer as he's not going to be better than the options we already have.


6.) 30 Jan 2016 17:05:20
Mr dennis have you ever seen nolito play? He's won the most motm awards in la Liga this season tied with Neymar. He'd definitely get in to our team.


7.) 30 Jan 2016 17:25:59
Yes Nolito is good player but with Barcelona looking for him, will he be int to come here?


8.) 30 Jan 2016 17:46:45
Samikewell, he doesn't want to sit on the bench at Barcelona so I'd say we have a good chance with him.


9.) 30 Jan 2016 21:21:50
Sorry but disagree about Nolito, he's 29 and at the wrong end of his career. I've seen him and am not exactly overwhelmed, I'd rather we didn't spend money on him which would be a waste given his age, I honestly don't think he'll add anything that we don't already have.


10.) 31 Jan 2016 01:49:09
Interesting tip Ed. Thanks. Klopp does seem to have been looking out for a left sided forward.
I guess we'd better get busy slagging him off for being slow and old and hamstrung and a bit too handsome to be successful at Liverpool.

Certainly no player who's over 25, costs less than 50 billion and has one name could possibly make a difference to our team this season.
It's not like his 35 goals and 21 assists in 2 1/ 2 seasons says anything. And the fact that Klopp and Enrique rate him is certainly no indicator of him having quality.


11.) 31 Jan 2016 11:26:58
He's too old as he'll be 30 this year, you could only justify bringing him in if he was a nailed on world class player like a Robben or a Suarez, which he is nowhere near. I would be dissapointed if we bring him in as its a badly thought out quick fix and isn't a player we need. In fact it makes no sense as he's another number 10 type and we've loads of them if that's not escaped your notice.


 

 

19 Mar 2015 09:03:48
Morning ed

Any truth in the salvio rumours, if so I'd imagine it being sterlings replacement at that price.

Also what about the papadopoulous rumours, or is that just recycled news?

LAVERS

{Ed002's Note - Benfica have made it clear that they will be willing to let Salvio leave if any club match the release clause that Portuguese clubs would need to pay. €60million is not insignificant. The player's representatives want that reduced to €40M but he would need to then take a pay cut which he is not prepared to do. Zenit St Pete and Manchester United have both kept a watching brief but neither would want to get involved at the asking price. I am not aware of Liverpool having a spare €60M right now. He very nearly moved to Everton a couple of years ago.

There was previous interest from Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Dortmund but all of these clubs walked away due to cost or injury and they all purchased other centre backs. I don't understand why the Liverpool fans are asking about him again - perhaps this is something in a newspaper or ion Twitter, but I am not aware of interest at this time - particularly from a club that is overrun with centrebacks.}


1.) 19 Mar 2015 09:41:24
Just paper talk regarding papa, didn't think we would look at again but at €7mil maybe not a bad shout.

{Ed002's Note - The club already has well respected young centre backs like Lloyd Jones and Paez who cannot get in to the side in addition to first team centre backs Kolo Touré, Lovren, Sakho, Skrtel and loaned out Coates and Ilori. If Rodgers just wants padding for the squad, it strikes me as a great deal of money - but with Kyriakos Papadopoulos you do get a lot of padding for your money. I would be a little surprised if Liverpool were looking at him again, but far from surprised if Rodgers were to simply spend more money for what appears to be the sake of it.}


2.) 19 Mar 2015 12:21:26
I can't imagine why LFC keep looking at wingers/attacking midfielders; we already have too many of them in our squad IMO.


3.) 20 Mar 2015 07:54:19
Well if there are out goings lovren ilori kolo could all go it may be possible

{Ed002's Note - There appears to be no intention to sell Lovren and at the price Liverpool paid there would be no interest. Toure has been offered a new contract and will be considering his options. Ilori is out on loan because the club screwed up when the bought him and don't have a place for him. I agree he may well leave and I am aware of interest in him. Only Rodgers could be stupid enough to replace a loan player with a player for the first team squad so you might be right. It makes zero sense and Liverpool has other uses for that money.}


4.) 23 Mar 2015 13:56:50
Was a bit on liverpool after him again on eurosport


 

 

08 Dec 2014 10:08:09
The mirror are reporting that we we are looking at timo horn standing at 4ft 4inch to replace mignolet.

Surely he will be no good in full size nets lol

LAVERS

{Ed002's Note - Cologne are negotiating a new deal with Horn who after a good start to the season has been struggling and held responsible for a number of goals in recent weeks.}


1.) He is a kid, albeit with a decent amount of experience. He is also 6'4'', not 4'4''.


2.) Sounds like the kind of player we love buying then ed nice waste of money


 

 

04 Aug 2013 18:34:05
Evening all

Daily star reporting that Liverpool will meet with athletico in Madrid tomorrow to seal the deal for costa, paving the way for Suarez to join arsenal.

Just hope we get near the 50mil mark for Suarez if he is to go.

Maybe get papa in then and still be 15mil up to go towards the stadium.

LAVERS

LAVERS

1.) Stadium will not affect ffp nor will the stadium be funded with money that come from transfers as that money will go back into the team which would mean that fsg wouldn't have to give BR as much money as they do.(self sufficiency and that)


 

 

 

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29 Aug 2016 08:58:45
Hopefully we can still see another couple of additions before the window shuts.

Don't think we've had that greater transfer window to be honest.

The problem areas we had last season don't seem to have been addressed.

The owners have come up trumps in the other windows so fingers crossed.

LAVERS

1.) 29 Aug 2016 09:38:05
Fsg are in profit while we desperately need players. Why can Boone on this site see what they are doing to the club?


2.) 29 Aug 2016 09:53:22
How much have they spent on players since buying the club? Mane £34
Gini £25 that is on 2 players.
Carroll £35 benteke £32 suarez £25ish sakho £17
firmino £30something
That's about £200 with out all the players that cost £15 or less.


3.) 29 Aug 2016 09:54:15
Lovren £20
Lallana £25

Almost £250.


4.) 29 Aug 2016 09:53:22
How much have they spent on players since buying the club? Mane £34
Gini £25 that is on 2 players.
Carroll £35 benteke £32 suarez £25ish sakho £17
firmino £30something
That's about £200 with out all the players that cost £15 or less.


5.) 29 Aug 2016 09:54:15
Lovren £20
Lallana £25

Almost £250.


6.) 29 Aug 2016 09:59:03
How much have they sold
Suarez 75mil
Sterling 50mil
Torres 50mil
Carroll 15mil
Benteke 30mil.
That's 220mil naver mind reina agger Allan and others.


7.) 29 Aug 2016 10:25:01
To quote the great Ed002 himself, "this is why we don't discuss money"!

They have spent at least £400m on transfers, funded a new stand, bailed the club out in the first place, then continued to bail it out as it lost £1m a week or whatever it was etc.

You cannot even question their financial commitment.

Where they have stuffed up is their decision making. They have repeatedly put businessmen in charge of the club, not to mention the snake oil salesman that was Brendan, and that has ultimately stagnated our progression on the pitch, even if we have improved vastly in the commercial aspects of the game.

They have been far from perfect, but to even dare to suggest they are in profit is just a blatant lie. They probably will be when they sell the club but so what? Isn't the whole point of business to ultimately make a profit? How many of you would willingly burn a £0.5billion hole in your pocket, on a business, Just to help them out? All that money still doesn't even guarantee them a profit when the club is sold. They have committed that money with absolutely no definitive figure they will recoup. That is a gamble nobody on this page could even afford, let alone actually make.

They've made shocking decisions and are still making mistakes now, but financially they have supported our managers as well as anyone else. Move along people, because their is no foundation to your arguments.


8.) 29 Aug 2016 10:37:00
Downing £20.


9.) 29 Aug 2016 11:01:39
When they first came in ed002 said the club was losing a million a week.
They have spent money as well as having to pay off so many managers etc.


10.) 29 Aug 2016 11:04:47
Liverpool football club shouldn't be run as a "business" mk it should be run by a passionate guy wanting and willing to do what it takes to get us to the top.

Not a few Americans that love baseball wanting to make a profit in a few years.

{Ed001's Note - or we could live in the real world and not some dumb fantasy. Liverpool were always run within their means in the past when we dominated. No football club should ever be run outside of its means by a 'passionate guy' as that is when they go bankrupt. Anyone that thinks it is a good thing to do that has no idea about the real world. Which is defo you. How old are you? 5? 6? You throw tantrums like a small child after a draw, now you want to risk the club's future because you are too immature to wait for steady progress. Grow up.}


11.) 29 Aug 2016 11:08:48
Agree completely MKS. They've committed far more than the previous owners in terms of player purchases, and it's a Godsend to see Anfield expanded (with stage two still yet to come? ) . It's clear they have not made the best or wisest in decisions, but that always goes 50/ 50 when you're not from the football "environment" and have to depend on hired advice and support. It's now actually funny to see posters put up numbers that are not only inaccurate but way off the mark, despite Ed002 repeating that the entire financial picture is not obvious or clearly seen by fans and others. When they do decide to sell eventually I hope they make a suitable profit - they're entitled to it.


12.) 29 Aug 2016 11:16:55
Don't you think I'm pretty clever for 5 or 6? I'm going on kid mastermind next week!

{Ed001's Note - not really no.}


13.) 29 Aug 2016 11:23:59
You make them sound like super heros Adam. How much is the club worth now? How much profit did the club make in its last finacial year? Or in the future? The money they have invested will see huge returns, make no mistake about it.

If you don't spend in this league you will eventually go backwards.


14.) 29 Aug 2016 11:26:27
April 2016 Forbes, Liverpool fc worth £1042 million.


15.) 29 Aug 2016 12:07:57
It's. It that we haven't spent, but that we've spent badly.
Mignolet, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Carroll, Markovic, Balotelli, Allen, Borini etc. Which is just over £160m wasted.


16.) 29 Aug 2016 12:15:50
They build onto the maid stand to make more money they made over 700mil on the club . lol can't believe fans are so blind. But no people will blame Klopp but as long as they making money everything alright 👌.


17.) 29 Aug 2016 12:23:09
I personally think the owners have been great for pretty much all the reasons mk already said. What has left me disillusioned is the way transfers continue to happen (or not happen in the case of a much needed left back)

There's a squad being built which is fine but the defence is still a long long way from where it should be, I'm including our current fairly shaky midfield duo in that mix too as they offer no protection. We will hemorraghe goals all season, it's just a matter of hoping we out score all our opponents until this is fixed.


18.) 29 Aug 2016 13:53:29
FranklyMrShankly. Wijnaldam? He has played 3 games for us and you have written him off already. That's crazy and moronic.


19.) 29 Aug 2016 15:34:52
I've said from the start that we didn't need Wijnaldum and I stand by that. So he's a waste of money. If you need a left back and a midfielder who knows how to defend and you bring in another lightweight number 10 type, then yes that is a waste of money. I've seen nothing in any of the games that he's played for us (or last season for Newcastle), that he's worth what we paid or even that he was worth signing. Dutch Stewart Downing.


20.) 29 Aug 2016 16:01:33
Whether they've made money or not, I don't think anyone an seriously accuse the owners of not backing the managers with transfer funds.


21.) 29 Aug 2016 19:42:01
Note: sarcasm post

Redmen Reus and Mattaldinho are spot on! Does anyone have Hicks and Gillette's phone numebrs so we can say sorry and ask them to come back.

FSG = huge investment, big strides forward commercially across the globe, redeveloping the stadium and constant backing of a manager who just loved to sign player after player without any plan for them. Yeah, they've been awful owners and they bailed us out just hours before we went under. Sneaky opportunists!


22.) 29 Aug 2016 21:08:29
What you also need to remember is FSG wiped the debt liverpool had when they bought it, Yeah they generated a fair amount through sales but also invested a lot on players, the stadium now, you then have to remember the constant salaries of players and staff, operating costs, etc. Its not just oh we sold x amount and bought x amount.


 

 

21 Aug 2016 08:11:20
Yesterday showed what we where missing last season and what we missed without mane.

Players who are looking to run in behind the defence.

I questioned wijnaldum because we are over loaded with midfield players, IMO we could lose lallana and firminho and look for a player with speed similar to mane.

An attacking midfield of coutinho, mane and someone similar would be awesome.

LAVERS

1.) 21 Aug 2016 09:36:29
It's a bit more complicated than just running in behind, if they sit deepthere isn't space to get behind hence sturridge kept dropping deep to collect the ball. I felt we just needed to be a bit more direct, we played a little too much like Arsenal- flaffed around with the ball around the box too much. Only second game, I'm sure we'll improve.


2.) 21 Aug 2016 10:13:38
Exactly

With players looking to run in behind we can play more direct.

firminho, coutinho and Lallana all like the ball into feet.


3.) 21 Aug 2016 10:40:10
We missed mane yday need someone as cover.


4.) 21 Aug 2016 12:16:04
You don't need to be fast to run in behind. Higuain and Costa score loads of goals with runs in behind. Running in behind is about movement and desire. Not just being fast. Sturridge is lightning quick, yet he rarely makes any runs in behind. He always comes looking for the ball in to feet!


 

 

20 Jul 2016 09:45:50
Wijnaldum and klavan seem pointless signings.

We have no European football this season so if ever there was a time to trim the squad its now.

Someone else has mentioned spending money for the sake of it. well your bang on.

If we can't get the quality we want then let's go with what we have.

I think matip, karius and mane will be quality players along with ings coming back.

Lets save the money until next season with CL football.

LAVERS

1.) 20 Jul 2016 10:01:04
Must admit I am very confused if we sign Wijnaldum. I do get klavan we do have rotten injury luck, but sogning wijnaldum to me means we must be losing someone, probably Coutinho.


2.) 20 Jul 2016 10:01:09
Thing is, we are short of a quality defensively minded midfielder and we are short of a competent left back. Yet we're going after a player who was awful last year and plays in a position we're already well stocked for. If we have £27 or so million to throw at Wijnaldum but not for Chilwell and Medel then you may as well write next season off as well as we're just repeating the same mistakes over and over again yet expecting different results.


3.) 20 Jul 2016 10:05:44
Just to add i have maintained all along that we should trust Klopp, he is proven success and has already taken us to 2 finals! But i will be depressed if Moreno remains as our firsr choice LB.


4.) 20 Jul 2016 10:09:39
Yeah, like Arsenal, only sign if better then what they have or top potential.

I think both will do well and Klopp should be able to create his own squad, but neither seem to have been first choices and it looks to us like they'll hold back youngsters. But Klopp seems to give chances and if you're good enough.

If these two and anyothers coming in give us a better chance of always fielding a top quality 11 and push us to a title then it'll be money well spent. Outside the top four and no cups, we can all discuss that if it happens.


5.) 20 Jul 2016 11:00:52
A lot on here want flano to start at right back, yet, he impressed at left back the season before his injury. So could he not be our 1st choice left back for next season?
Do we play with a defensive mid? I don't think that's the plan. So wouldn't us spending on a defensive mid be more of a waste of money? Rather have competition for a formation we play in.


6.) 20 Jul 2016 12:22:07
I disagree mate, I think they will add something to the team. However I beleive with Klopp going for Wijnaldum something more is going on in the background, maybe coutinho is off? I don't know, maybe its just me.


7.) 20 Jul 2016 13:17:09
Andy, our problems in midfield last season cost us points, almost as much as our problems at left back and GK, it's up to the midfield to stop impending counter attacks at the source and a lot of the time we where easily penetrated through the middle because we didn't have a defensive minded midfielder that can tactically read the game well enough to deal with this. Lucas when fit and on form was arguably our most important player at times, because we are that much better with him in the team, however Lucas does not produce enough going forward and is consistently injured meaning he never really stays in that form for long periods of time. Same way we miss Henderson when he is out, because he adds something to the midfield that can doesn't but for some reason a lot of fans do not see it and just overrate can who is a good young player but isn't at the level everyone is holding him at. To improve on last season we need a better player than the two of them or at least someone that can add something defensively, otherwise we will have much of the same problems from last season.


 

 

19 Jul 2016 11:26:53
Quick question ed. is Ragnar coming in to cover LB with Moreno or will we still look for a LB?

Thanks.

LAVERS

{Ed002's Note - Centre back but LFC want Chilwell but cannot agree over cost.}


1.) 19 Jul 2016 14:03:18
Klavan plays primarily at CB but he's played left back sporadically in his career. My guess is that he's emergency cover at left back only.


2.) 19 Jul 2016 14:11:31
Cheers ed

Just seems like another knee jerk signing.

I thought we need to trim the squad, would make more sense to leave a kid as back up and wait for sakho and Gomez to return.

Couple of months time this guy will be warming the bench.

We never seem to learn.


3.) 19 Jul 2016 15:17:45
We have Lovren, Sakho and Matip as first choice CBs, and with our injury history that leaves us one injury away from two experienced senior CBs. Also bear in mind we've sold Skrtel, lost Toure and obviously Caulker so bringing in one CB isn't the stupidest idea in the world.

Gomez is a fantastic talent but young and recovering from a ACL injury, I personally am happy if we get Klavan and then hope we move on Illori, Wisdom and then use Gomez as cover for the FB positions and cup games at CB.


4.) 19 Jul 2016 16:05:18
I see your point zimbo but we can't keep buying players to make sure we have cover for cover.

May as well kept toure whos used to the league rather than bringing in a soon to be 32 year old whos got to get upto speed.

Also i'd imagine he's cover for matip, lovren and sakho so when is he going to get his game time.


5.) 19 Jul 2016 16:12:35
Also not to forget that we lose Matip when he leaves for ACON.


6.) 19 Jul 2016 17:07:54
He looks like a decent ball playing CB and also isn't slow. Similar to Lovren with more miles on the clock, but still at an age to improve and go up a level when surrounded by better players.


7.) 19 Jul 2016 17:14:07
Agree with Lavers and I am sorry Zimbo, That approach is the reason we have a large squad. Buying players to Cover for cover.


8.) 19 Jul 2016 17:35:21
I think he's a player who will give his all for the team. He's versatile enough to act as cover in two positions and is driven to become his countries all time greatest player. I for one look forward to seeing him play.


9.) 19 Jul 2016 17:50:15
I think is is ok signing. May help us during the long season.

Plus all the reviews given by other posters seem to suggest he is a decent player. Si where is the problem?


10.) 19 Jul 2016 18:01:14
Klavan is a big part of the reason we could not score a single goal from open play vs Augsburg in the EL last season.


11.) 19 Jul 2016 19:03:00
I wouldn't assume he's coming to be break glass cover, he may surprise people and push his way into first choice, he may also be there to push Sakho (injured I believe) and Lovren to step up and maintain a higher level - or be dropped.


12.) 19 Jul 2016 19:07:38
Game of thrones. You say it's the reason we have a bloated squad yet you keep going on about dahoud and zielinski----- two midfield players that we are well over crowded with.


13.) 19 Jul 2016 20:37:54
Of course, Harry only goes on about players that he wants. If he doesn`t want you, you are adding to the Bloated squad. But Zielinski, Dahoud and Kovacic wouldn`t.


 

 

23 May 2016 16:31:41
Rodgers "not many people had heard of Luis saurez before he went to Liverpool "

What a guy lol.

LAVERS

1.) 23 May 2016 16:38:54
Yeah because Ajax are such a small unheard of club.


2.) 23 May 2016 16:39:32
I must say, some of these managers are really incredible. It's like they live in a World of their own making, legends in their own little pond. But it's fun to watch. LOL.


3.) 23 May 2016 16:54:04
What the same Suarez that played in a World Cup that unknown tournament.


4.) 23 May 2016 17:05:38
Sorry should have that Rodgers said it in the context off how he is used to bringing players through.


5.) 23 May 2016 17:23:26
He was infamous if not famous after the World Cup, one of the great goal line saves of all time!


6.) 23 May 2016 17:59:16
He was also signed by Kenny Dalglish, unlike Fabio Borini, Ricky Lambert, or Mario Balotelli.


7.) 23 May 2016 18:17:24
The incredible rodgers character returns!
If we had won the eufa cup he'd be taking credit for it!


8.) 23 May 2016 18:53:36
AH it was Woy Hodgeson that got the Suarez deal done and dusted before dalglish took over from him.


 

 

 

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Id rather we sold firminho and played sturridge in the middle.

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25 Aug 2016 20:53:25
Then he will leave for free next season.

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24 Aug 2016 13:00:27
Hart is rubbish and we have karius anyway.

Also think we are crazy going into the season with milner as our LB.

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16 Aug 2016 12:14:36
Liverpool need to realise that they ain't going to get £30mil for benteke.
Get rid a year on the sidelines ain't going to do anything for his value.

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08 Aug 2016 21:03:30
The Liverpool transfer committee messed up again with benteke, better to get rid now than keep hold and watch his value drop even further.

Never in a million years should we have paid £32mil for him last season.

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01 Mar 2017 10:14:35
The big mistake last summer was buying wijnaldum IMO. Nothing against him but it was probably the last position we needed filling.

We need 3-4 players in our starting 11 to really challenge but we shouldn't expect to be filling them all this summer.

Time to start at the back, get karius in goal and if there is no improvement then bring a keeper in.

Strong CB needed, who that is i haven't got a clue as i don't watch enough football to comment.

After that a LB, milner has done a fairly decent job at the end of the day he isn't a LB.

If we filled them 3 positions with 3 quality players then that would be a top transfer window.

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28 Feb 2017 06:05:11
A good response ed although I think klopp has got to start shouldering some of the blame.

Last summer I do believe he spent money on areas that where less important than others (mainly wijnaldum)

I also think we made a massive mistake in not buying anyone in January, our form had been on the slide coming into January and took a nose dive during January. A new player or two would have helped that I believe. If we truly couldn't get the targets we wanted then it was the correct decision 100% but if we could of got them for a couple of mil above there normal price then we should have gone for it.

At the end of the day top 4 is still achievable just klopp has got to get this into the players heads and get them going again.

LAVERS

{Ed001's Note - easy to say pay extra but that just leads to paying even more next time around. Spurs have stayed strong and made do for years, and they are showing the benefits. We need to start doing the same and just sucking it up when there are bad times along the way.}


 

 

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17 Feb 2017 22:01:22
All of this comes down to the amount wehave to spend.

I agree with most about positions needed bit we are not going to get them all in the summer.

It's got to be real quality added if we can't get the main target in a certain position then we leave it and try for a main target in another position.

For me a top CB, matip is injured fairly often and lovren needs leading.

Then a pacey winger to go with mane. When teams park the bus which we will see more often now atleast we have extra movement to break them.

Lastly a quality LB then the rest can wait until another window.

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14 Feb 2017 12:41:49
the vantage should be with us now that Europe is kicking off again.

1 game a week at the most from now until the end of the season.

Whilst the other teams above have probably 2 games a week.

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14 Feb 2017 05:50:30
Rodgers is trying to look like he has an eye for talent. what about all the rubbish he bought.

LAVERS