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31 Dec 2017 13:45:56
Ed2 I love the way you casually drop a bombshell in one sentence, ever the tease although what you say is actually factual. Some of the LFC fans annoy you as we are aware but to what extent we will never know as you do the editing so get to see the good the bad and the ugly posts but you are loved here and just want you to know that. I often look at the other team pages and your one liners on many occasions have actually had me in stitches.

Btw for those fans here that are sensitive and have a go at Ed2 as he tells it like it is and have this delusional notion that he has it in for LFC, I urge you to look no further than the Chelsea forum as a reminder to how lucky we are here to have him.

The bombshell for lack of a better word was in reference to the VVD deal being negotiated and concluded by John Henry without telling Klopp or Edwards for those that missed it. All in all it was the man Klopp wanted so it worked out best for everyone I guess.

Anyways Ed2 thanks for another year of sharing your wisdom on the LFC forum and to many more.

Alonso1786

{Ed002's Note - Not negotiated per se. They asked for a price, were given one, and agreed to pay it.

And thansk.}


1.) 31 Dec 2017 13:58:42
Very well put Alonso.


2.) 31 Dec 2017 13:54:32
1 minute your saying the deal was done without klopps knowledge but then you just said they asked for a price and we paid it. As if klopp doesn't know any of what is going on.

{Ed002's Note - Clearly plain English is too complex for you.}


3.) 31 Dec 2017 14:37:15
Both Klopp and VVD's agent were excluded from the initial deal on the 21st of December. they were told post the agreement on Christmas Eve. Apparently (and very strangely for a transfer deal) there was no negotiation about the amount. SFC quoted the price and we simply accepted the amount.


4.) 31 Dec 2017 14:45:45
Let's be honest, no negotiation was going to take place after the debacle in the summer. Either pay the asking price or don't bother signing him at all. After the tapping up and complaint filed there was no messing around. Hence why Henry stepped in and took care of it.


5.) 31 Dec 2017 14:59:14
Ed002. please don't shoot.

Do you know that Edwards was unaware, or do you know that Henry made the contact personally? They are two very different things of course.

If I were Edwards I would be more than a little pissed if the owner made a decision about something clearly in my remit, without discussing it. That in most circles would be considered poor management (I am not saying it doesn't happen, but it would likely erode trust with Edwards) .

On the other hand, if Henry and Edwards discussed it, and agreed that the only way to get it done without risk of it blowing up, was for Henry to handle it directly with Southampton ownership, then that would be quite understandable. It is not uncommon for contacts to be made directly between principals to "get things done", but if it were done without synchronising with Edwards first that would be interesting, and may give Edwards cause for concern.

Genuinely interested to understand whether we know whether it is one or the other (retreating to bomb shelter. )

{Ed002's Note - FSG dealt with the transfer from Boston and those in London did not. It is simple, try not to make a big deal of it.}


6.) 31 Dec 2017 15:18:37
I wonder if the Eds have any hair left.


7.) 31 Dec 2017 17:11:10
Well said alonso.


8.) 31 Dec 2017 19:52:50
Having been on this site for a fairly long time now. i can honestly say that although at times ED02 gets a bit angry with the supporters at time. he has every right. His judgement is first class along with his incredible knowledge within the game. ps I should know cos I knew him when he was a lady. best wishes Eds from one of your biggest supporters. great site!

{Ed002's Note - Thanks and have a great evening Tel.}


 

 

 

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15 Jun 2018 19:43:16
Look I will support Karius if he stays and everyone loves a success story from zero to hero but it will have to be one hell of a turnaround for him to do it, which led me to write the following.

Money talks, this has been proven a number of times throughout history with teams perceived in less positions in comparison to the talent attracted i. e not in Champions League etc and this brings me to my point of people saying figures for these keepers are too high and they would rather stick than splash out.

Yes an argument can be made for that but the side of the fence I currently sit on is the keeper is an important member of the team, especially in our case with the attacking talent we have. If we spend a sizeable transfer fee for a keeper, which manages to bring us trophies, whether that be the League or Champions League, wouldn't that strengthen our position in persuading our top players to stay and in turn bring in more money and attract better players so that sizeable outlay would be justified in the potential, keyword potential success that they would bring?

We all complain when players leave in search of silverware at a new club but when we are on the brink of that with one or two additions in key area, we suddenly turn into accountants. I would say we are all in agreement that we have some special players at our club, really special players most notably Salah, Mane and Firmino, if we don't start winning trophies it won't be long before they leave for pastures new and would we begrudge them.

Alonso1786

1.) 15 Jun 2018 20:28:07
Alonso, forget Karius for a moment. This has nothing to do with money talking or not. Money may talk BUT what do you do if the guy you want does NOT want you in spite of your money talking? Allisson wants RM. Roma does not wanna sell to us except we cough up the cash and even if we did, Allisson is not interested and has said so himself so again, what are you proposing that we do?

I think your frustration is misplaced. Look at VVD. Saints wanted to get the best deal for their player and tho City offered big money (don't know how much) for him, VVD told not just them, but WHOSOEVER that came for him, to kick rocks. For him it was LFC or basta. Allisson and Roma are doing the exact same thing. This is not about acting like accountants or whatever as that has nothing to do with it, IMO.

ED02 said ages ago that Allisson like Oblak, was a non starter regardless of how much we wanted him. People did not listen and kept hoping against hope. Now, reality is setting in and people are complaining. The reality of football is talking and people had better realize that you may have all the money BUT if a player does LOT wanna come to you, you might as well be broke.


2.) 15 Jun 2018 20:43:48
BRover the OP didn’t once mention Alisson, you appear to be obsessed with the guy!


3.) 15 Jun 2018 21:01:13
Brover, to answer your point in short, there is nothing you can do. Its like saying you can flash as much money at certain women but they might simply not want you and money alone might not be enough so think we are safe to say we are in agreement there and can put that point you raised to bed.

Allison and Oblak contrary to popular believe are not the only talented keepers out there and with todays market and the known need for keepers among a number of teams throughout Europe, selling clubs will be well aware of the demand for top keeps among the elite clubs and in addition will hike up their prices, which means transfer fees for a number of keepers will be at a premium.

I think you slightly or shall we say overly missed the point I was trying to make, the same point I was making is not solely focused on a keepers but for any of the key positions we need addressing. Brover, try reading it again or maybe you read it correctly and in that case I respect your opinion but I am content in agreeing to disagree.


4.) 15 Jun 2018 21:01:15
Kramer, he was talking about paying big money for a GK. How do we know that? He mentioned Karius in the post, saying he will support him regardless. What other player do you think he could be talking about signing if it was not Allisson or Oblak? Butland? Connect the dots, my friend.


5.) 15 Jun 2018 21:17:46
Kramer just butting in brover the point u are making is right reguardless of names if the player doesn't want to sign and wants else where then he simply isn't coming no matter how many times fans get a hard on over this name or that name. Plus the games I have watched Allison in he hasn't faired much better than karius.
The boy is a kid in terms of goalkeepers and nobody can say u don't win tropheys with keepers like that coz we won a cpl with dudek and he loved a clanger.
I would prefer we work with Karius on the things he does wrong and let him learn his trade for another season or so, the money they are talking 60million ad rather we spent on a player we really do need that improves our squad as last season we had a good 11 and a poor bench if this yr we have a great 11 and a very good bench then we will be challenging on all fronts and that is with karius in goal.


6.) 15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.


7.) 15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.


8.) 15 Jun 2018 22:06:58
Ron, and I'm sure Klopp is old enough and smart enough to answer those questions when he gets asked by the owners. Oh and by the way, Poch who many believe is better than Klopp. What am I saying? If the owners wanna keep Klopp after next season then that is their choice cos to them, maybe they think he gives us the best chance to win trophies cos right now, we are competing for them and if we keep doing that, I am confident he will get us there. The owners may think the same way, I don't know. Oh and by the way, Had Germany sacked Joachim Loew cos he kept getting close BUT no cigar before 2014, you think they would have won the WC with him? There's an example for you to chew on.


9.) 15 Jun 2018 22:13:10
Alonso, I did read your post and you mentioned Karius from jump, which led me to believe you were talking about the GK issue. I agree with your post that both Allisson and Oblak are not the only GK's in Europe. However, the second best ones, are not that easy to get either cos their clubs may not wanna sell to us as well or we may not be interested in them either. See how that works? We really don't know. So all I'm saying is that, I see your point overall BUT the reality is what it is and Klopp may wanna either go BIG on the GK or quality outfield players if he can, OR go home and coach up the ones he has and he is BANG brilliant at that. Cheers, mate.


10.) 15 Jun 2018 22:29:03
Ron do you care to explain can u tell me how many trophys we won with dudek? And westerveld? Both are of the same level as Karius in my opinion and how many we won with day Reina? Who by many was one of the best keepers in previous yrs, so ad say if our defence is solid and our holding kids do there job then it's is possible to win at the very highest level with a good Keeper rather than a world class expensive one would you not?
If you think it will be karius that costs klopp his job that's your opinion mate but personally I think that is very silly and the whisky has your thoughts dissolutional matey.


11.) 15 Jun 2018 22:32:05
I get what you mean Brover and there are a lot of variables to both our points and agree with Klopp being bang brilliant as you put it at getting the less fancied players at raising their game. It is a gamble and massive gamble in sticking with Karius and I would like nothing better than a success story but the repercussions if it goes belly up could be catastrophic.

Could you imagine if he starts the season with mistakes, the media will eat it up and questions will be asked of Klopp when many would say it was an area that glaringly needed addressing. The media spotlight would not only be pointed at Klopp but Karius himself, first off no one knows if he will mentally recover from the final but if he does he would have to have the mind of a monk to ignore the media after a sticky start to the season.

All I am saying is that if i'm gambling man, which i'm not I would go for a new keeper or at least do whatever that takes, over paying etc if the keeper is solid and a huge improvement on what we have that's all.


12.) 15 Jun 2018 22:34:54
Ron you were spouting this nonsense this morning. Why don’t you start a hate campaign and spray paint “Klopp out” all over the new stand and pay for a plane to fly over the ground on August 11th with a banner saying “Henry sack the boss”

Embarrassing at best lad.


13.) 15 Jun 2018 22:37:31
There are tonnes of keepers better than Karius. That's a fact, not just 3/ 4 out there. I would like to see someone new given a chance and see liverpool move away from migs and Karius. Ucl wasn't Karius first poor game, I once saw him put the ball out for z corner from a goal kick! Ridiculous. I think we have had other priorities, cb, winger, but now is the summer to fill the gk role. Karius was worth a punt, it hasn't really worked, try again.


14.) 15 Jun 2018 23:20:38
Kem a understand your frustration like us mate but that's abit harsh on Ron buddy he genuinely is one of the decent guys here and a very good poster he just has a difference of an opinion to us on karius matey.


15.) 16 Jun 2018 00:04:54
Kemlynroad65, You talk about embarrassment lol your post is an embarrassment. Ron has his opinions whether you agree with them or not, it's his opinion! and he has a right to voice it, I have often thought the opposite of him recently especially regarding Klopp and Karius but who cares? he's a fantastic poster and we sometimes have different opinions, learn to accept that.


16.) 16 Jun 2018 00:09:15
The universally accepted best keeper in the whole wide world tonight let in a far worse howler than Karius's fail vrs Bale in the final.

He's still the best keeper in the world, just made a mistake in a huge game, and believe me Portugal, Spain is a biggy.

If we can't land a true world class keeper Karius/ Ward for me.


17.) 16 Jun 2018 00:18:25
IMO:

1) I hope Karius gets 1 more season to show steel and keep the lads career alight. Whatever the decision, it’s between Klopp and the owners to settle and over talking Allison, Oblak, Butland on this site is going to offer no benefit to anyone. I love this site and how we can openly discuss LFC but the Ed’s have responded to countless goalkeeper comments already. Can we just be patient, see what happens and start other relevant feeds now? No, not a Shaquiri feed 😉
2) Not sure I agree Ron. The “top four” clubs are more like top 6 these days and there is a huge divide between the top 4-6 places and the middle of the table. Consistently challenging top 4 let alone the league title itself is hard work for any manager. Unless Klopp were to have a very apparent clanger season and lose the trust of the fans, I really can’t see Klopp getting a grilling, or more. Klopp made it clear that he wanted to win trophies when he signed and I believe from what he has done so far with the team that a major trophy is in reach. But we can’t assume we know what the owners will do if next season isn’t a trophy winning season.
Anyway, a new jazz clubs just opened where I live, so I wish you all a very good Friday night/ weekend!


18.) 16 Jun 2018 03:37:46
You’re being ridiculous there Kem, I’m one of Klopp’s most ardent supporters which is why I don’t want him to make this huge mistake.


19.) 16 Jun 2018 05:14:31
Poor post kem, taken straight from a previous eds response to a knuckle dragger. Get your own words and don't use others. especially when you are talking to a good guy like Ron. Odd post and totally incorrect.


20.) 16 Jun 2018 07:58:19
Ron has a very valid point. We need a trophy next season.


21.) 16 Jun 2018 09:07:00
I'm right behind Klopp but ultimately he has to deliver trophies. He has come really close, three times now. Maybe this season we will end up with something.

Overall he has done a decent job. I think he has been slow at times to resolve fundamental issues with the team, such as the defence and obviously the Goalkeeper which has slightly delayed any progress and obviously helped cost us a few trophies. Thinking Moreno here, not just Karius.

I feel that we are getting there now and not far away from at least a title push if not challenge, and the fa cup should be a big priority next season to at least get a trophy on the board.


22.) 16 Jun 2018 09:13:02
Kem, Ron and I have our disagreements BUT your post is in really poor taste. Drogie, I know we need to win something soon BUT you have to earn the right to win and have luck on your side to win, the latter has eluded Klopp since he came to us and that is frustrating. But let us just keep doing what we are doing, keep improving and the trophies will come. Saying "we need a trophy next season" is to me, preaching to the choir.


23.) 16 Jun 2018 12:07:10
Not going to bother with this debate about keepers anymore because it just degenerates into “you don’t support as much as I do” nonsense.

I’ve made myself clear. If we don’t upgrade on our keeper and if Klopp finishes next season without a trophy but with his p45 I won’t be criticising the owners.


24.) 16 Jun 2018 12:42:39
Whatever, Ron. If you think Karius will cost Klopp his job then sorry, football is more complicated than that. No one player can cost or save a manager's job and you of all people should know that but I guess the rules change when Karius is concerned cos you have given that boy absolutely NOTHIN since he arrived. Even when he plays well, you have nothing good to say about him. Your bias is showing. Oh n by the way, Migs did not cost BR his job. Poor results did and poor results is up to the whole team, not just one player.


 

 

15 Jun 2018 19:43:16
Look I will support Karius if he stays and everyone loves a success story from zero to hero but it will have to be one hell of a turnaround for him to do it, which led me to write the following.

Money talks, this has been proven a number of times throughout history with teams perceived in less positions in comparison to the talent attracted i. e not in Champions League etc and this brings me to my point of people saying figures for these keepers are too high and they would rather stick than splash out.

Yes an argument can be made for that but the side of the fence I currently sit on is the keeper is an important member of the team, especially in our case with the attacking talent we have. If we spend a sizeable transfer fee for a keeper, which manages to bring us trophies, whether that be the League or Champions League, wouldn't that strengthen our position in persuading our top players to stay and in turn bring in more money and attract better players so that sizeable outlay would be justified in the potential, keyword potential success that they would bring?

We all complain when players leave in search of silverware at a new club but when we are on the brink of that with one or two additions in key area, we suddenly turn into accountants. I would say we are all in agreement that we have some special players at our club, really special players most notably Salah, Mane and Firmino, if we don't start winning trophies it won't be long before they leave for pastures new and would we begrudge them.

Alonso1786

 

 

11 Jun 2018 21:45:00
Mk Scouser top read. I liked what you said about Robert Lewandowski, although highly unlikely he would be a dream signing. Julian Brandt my old favourite would be a good signing and save us money to invest in a top qulaity keeper. I know it was documented last summer he had his reservations regarding game time but was interested in a move.

One thing you said that caught me off guard was that he is faster than Julian Draxler, for some reason I thought Julian Draxler was a lot faster.

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09 Jun 2018 19:53:02
Goodluck Ed's following Lyon's statement. I don't know what to believe and maybe its me but Lyon seem to conduct their business very publicly.

Alonso1786

1.) 09 Jun 2018 19:58:42
If Ed02 says it’s over then it’s over if not then maybe talks will resume after the World Cup on payment restruture.

{Ed002's Note - Everyone needs to understand that it is where it is. Aulas was never going to be an easy guy to do business with. The French national side do not want that big nurse grabbing any more of their players and saying "cough" as they prepare for the World Cup. Don't discount something happening, although I understand the Twitterettes will have destryed his account and the club's account within a few hours anyway.}


2.) 09 Jun 2018 19:59:34
Seem to remember edd2 warning us about mr Jean-Michel Aulas.

{Ed002's Note - Right; the Gallic shrug, the different prices for English sides, etc..}


3.) 09 Jun 2018 20:42:34
So its a case of Aulas being a tough negotiator, which he has every right to as its his club and he wants the best deal possible just slightly tedious for us. Judging by Ed2 who I trust implicitly when it comes to transfers, its not over yet regarding Fekir.


4.) 09 Jun 2018 20:50:18
Haha. Likes the sound of his own voice to edd2.


5.) 09 Jun 2018 21:01:18
Thanks for the update ed02.


 

 

08 Jun 2018 18:50:04
Turning out to be a great summer with the reported Fekir deal and Keita to join and Fabinho on the books already and we are how many weeks into the summer?

If we add Alisson Becker I seriously think we can mount a challange for the Premiership and another good run at the Champions League.

It is clear we are looking at cover for the front 3, wanted to know what other peoples choices are for this position? Personally I say go for Sessegnon because he can cover the front three and also rotate with Robertson so plenty of game time, not mention he looks a great talent.

Alonso1786

1.) 08 Jun 2018 19:16:38
Agee with you Alonso, but given our expenditure to date, and hopefully Alisson to come, £50m for him may be too much. I’d really like to sign him tho, esp as he appears to be a Liverpool fan. Hopefully, with Fulhams promotion, he stays for 1 more year and then we get him next summer.

Moses Simon or Shaqiri is more likely.

The prospect of Klopp being able to get the most out of a clearly talented but under motivate Shaqiri is growing on me, despite my reservations about him!


2.) 08 Jun 2018 19:24:06
Indeed so far so good. To be honest imo I'm fairly happy with fekir to cover the front 3.his signing brings so much not only a starter in midfield but another flexible player to play across the frontline and enable us to use different systems aswell as clearly at times last season we just lacked a plan b. With ox to return granted it'll probably be after Christmas before we see him match fit again he gives us options and id like to see Harry wilson giving a chance to impress. id imagine if wilson and woodburn can step it up in pre season and Impress it might help prove we don't need more, but that might just be me hoping the young lads can step up. Either way we already have so many more options due to the flexibility of our signings.

Very exciting times i can't remember being this excited and the transfer window hasn't even officially opened yet. Great to get the business done early and also key that van dijk keita and fabinho all missing the world cup amongst others should help be fresh. And while id love to see the likes of mane and Salah have great world cups the selfish part of me kind of hopes they both get knocked out in the group stages so they can have a bit of a rest even.

Either way im delighted with how we're getting business done and hopefully we've learned our lessons and are doing things above board!


3.) 08 Jun 2018 20:03:58
Zeddicus agree with you that our expiduture might decticate who we get to cover the front 3 but like you said Klopp has a habit of getting the best out of the less fashionable names so I will support whoever comes in.

BlameItOnTraore, Fekir is able to play the attacking midfield role where Coutinho used to play and cover the front 3 for rest, injuries and change of formation due to injuries, so with you on that. My thinking behind Sessegnon was it would potentially allow us to trim the squad down in letting Moreno go, having one play cover to two positions and promoting say Woodburn or Wilson, both of whom I would like to see more of as they can also provide cover for Fekir etc.

Either way I am delighted to be excited for a transfer window and the season ahead.


4.) 08 Jun 2018 20:36:07
Dont get me wrong id love sessegnon kids got amazing talent but to be fair a year in the prem for fulham is probably best for his career and he'll get his move. Ideal scenario would be sign and loan back to fulham for a year but with the money we're spending and the fact he won't come cheap I can't see that happening. But hey much wants more if we can't be greedy what can we do ;-)


5.) 08 Jun 2018 20:57:01
Zed, Klopp can work miracles BUT he is not magician. The fact of the matter is that Shaquiri is not even fit enough to play in the high octane, high tempo system Klopp deploys. I mean, just look at the guy, He is clearly to over-weight for the system we play some of us need to pipe down about him cos frankly, he is a poor player, lazy, inconsistent and stinking attitude. Someone mentioned that when Stoke came to Anfield last season, the guy was already dead on his feet after 25 mins. If that is true then, look out.

I hear people comparing his coming to that of Ox. I beg to differ. I was one of those who did not want Ox cos I thought he had run his course at Arsenal. However, NOT ONCE, did I question his attitude and work ethic as clearly he had those in abundance at Arsenal. He was just stagnating over there and needed to get away from that sinking ship. If Klopp wants Shaquiri then so be it. All I'm saying is that people (Not you Zed BUT others on SM) need to let things play out and stop trying to gas us up that "Shaquiri was always a boss or good player who needed an arm around him" or something. He was at Stoke for a reason.


6.) 08 Jun 2018 22:46:47
That’s why I’m interested to see what Klopp does with him and sees in him.

For the first time in a long, long, long time, we have a manager who hasn’t really had a ‘miss’ in the transfer market. Look at the players he’s bought and they all make sense and have worked out in their own ways.

What’s he seeing in Shaqiri that you (and me, I agree with your comments on the player) are missing?!


7.) 08 Jun 2018 22:48:43
P. s. I’d rank working miracles over being a magician 😉

Rafa/ Jesus = miracles

Paul Daniels = magician

😂😂.


8.) 08 Jun 2018 23:05:18
Totally agree, Zed. However as much as I know that Klopp is near spotless (well, bar Caulker BUT he can get a pass on that one, IMO) in the TW in one way or the other BUT I will be very frank with you. With near tears in my eyes, I don't want Shaquiri here. Please Zed, make Klopp rethink this, seriously. LOL!


9.) 08 Jun 2018 23:09:48
How about Shakira?

Now if Klopp could turn HER into a rotation sub for Salah, well, we’re talking idols, turquoise shell suits, the whole avocado!


10.) 08 Jun 2018 23:10:16
Home base for me is Switzerland (although I don't spend that much time there anymore) and I have followed Shaqiri in the Swiss Press from the very beginning. Apart from getting the benefit from Swiss patriotism during World Cups, the Swiss Press does not like him, calling him a "nuisance" and a "diva". He was a pain at Basel. He has always been a pain in the Swiss national team. He has a problem defining where his loyalties lie because he has Albanian, Kosovar and Swiss flags painted on his shoes, and will walk around with Albanian and Kosovar flags after games while playing for Switzerland. His time with Bayern didn't exactly paint him in glory either. Complaining about his team mates has been a regular refrain in basically all the teams he has played in.

This is not character assassination. In my opinion, he just seems to be a very difficult man with very firm and fixed ideas about how things should be. And he will not deviate from those ideas. He has always struck me as someone who plays more for himself than his team. I don't see how such a character can fit in with our front 3 who basically play for each other. And he can be an unsettling influence if his playing time is not up to his wishes (his time at Bayern Munich) . I have implicit faith in Klopp and his man management skills but most of the time a frog remains a frog no matter how many times you kiss him.


11.) 08 Jun 2018 23:29:00
I’m going to steal that last line of yours, Ra.

I love it!


12.) 09 Jun 2018 07:49:29
Be my guest, Zed.


 

 

 

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30 May 2018 21:33:19
Touche Ed25. touche.

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30 May 2018 21:29:52
Alright Ed25 we will stop disturbing you, go get that deal over the line.

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04 May 2018 12:57:13
Cheers Ed1 for the super quick replies, here's to hoping he ends up at Liverpool. one can only dream hey!

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{Ed001's Note - I have not seen enough of to know if he would be a dream signing or not. You are welcome though.}


 

 

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04 May 2018 12:49:25
Ed1 thought I read somewhere Weigl is more or less set for Man City but could be me imagining. Where do you see Weigl's future? Dortmund, England or up in the air/ anyone's guess?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry, he might be I just haven't heard that. I do expect him to end up in England.}


 

 

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04 May 2018 12:16:33
Navy Keith, don't want to compare Weigl to Henderson. I appreciate Henderson and what he brings to the team as well as his leadership. Weigl reminds me of Alonso, not saying he is the same quality as there will only be one Alonso just he plays in a similar mould and that's a compliment in itself, plus he is only 22 years old.

Ed1 if you're is it true he is destined for Man City? and do we have any chance of landing him?

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{Ed001's Note - who? Jorginho is the one set for City.}


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2018 11:02:26
Completely agree Cobra666 exactly what I was trying to say last night on here. I will support Karius if Klopp decides to keep him as I am not a fickle fan and would love a success story but would rather Klopp pushed for a solid keeper. This reacting to DDG mistake or mistakes he made last night is slightly embarrassing as DDG has for many years been the best keeper in the league, arguably best keeper in the world and is human and entitled to the odd mistake here and there, that is why I never judge Karius on just the Champions League final but on how he has been since he joined.

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15 Jun 2018 22:45:17
Hendos Brother, I never judged Karius on the final performance alone as I know everyone makes mistakes and have never posted anything to contradict that. Karius was better towards the end of last season but overall has been shaky to say the least, whereas De Gea puts out how many 10/ 10 performances over how many years so can be forgiven for having a few howlers.

I did say earlier in my post that everyone loves a success story and would love to see him turn from zero to hero but the risks are huge and if its a choice between seeing Karius have his success story or putting my team first then I put my team first.

If Klopp decides to stick with Karius then I will support him like I do with any of our player just saying I would rather do what it takes to get in a solid keeper this window that's all.

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15 Jun 2018 22:32:05
I get what you mean Brover and there are a lot of variables to both our points and agree with Klopp being bang brilliant as you put it at getting the less fancied players at raising their game. It is a gamble and massive gamble in sticking with Karius and I would like nothing better than a success story but the repercussions if it goes belly up could be catastrophic.

Could you imagine if he starts the season with mistakes, the media will eat it up and questions will be asked of Klopp when many would say it was an area that glaringly needed addressing. The media spotlight would not only be pointed at Klopp but Karius himself, first off no one knows if he will mentally recover from the final but if he does he would have to have the mind of a monk to ignore the media after a sticky start to the season.

All I am saying is that if i'm gambling man, which i'm not I would go for a new keeper or at least do whatever that takes, over paying etc if the keeper is solid and a huge improvement on what we have that's all.

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15 Jun 2018 21:51:02
Brover I will not even say "not everyone is saying that" I will say I am saying, to the point of everyone will leave because of Karuis you raised which is in reference to the post I made.

Again I will simply refer you back to my post and again simply ask you to read over it again, either you are typing in emotions, not reading it properly in turn missing the point I was making or like I said you did indeed read it correctly and in that case again we will have to agree to disagree.

I said and please others can jump in and correct me if I am wrong, that we have a great attack with some special players most noticeably but not exclusively Salah, Mane and Firmino. its our keeper which is the weak link not helped with the midfield we had and the lack of partnership for VVD.

I did not mention the midfield in my post as we seem to have addressed that with our transfers thus far with Keita and Fabinho. This leaves the keeper as the main weak link, which is a key area along with the attacking midfield and a solid partner for VVD.

If these positions are not addressed then we will struggle to challenge for trophies, which is not a far fetched statement to make. Simple logic dictates that a lack of silverware if we are following the trend in football leads to your top players in particular the special ones whether its reluctantly or not looking to leave.

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15 Jun 2018 21:01:13
Brover, to answer your point in short, there is nothing you can do. Its like saying you can flash as much money at certain women but they might simply not want you and money alone might not be enough so think we are safe to say we are in agreement there and can put that point you raised to bed.

Allison and Oblak contrary to popular believe are not the only talented keepers out there and with todays market and the known need for keepers among a number of teams throughout Europe, selling clubs will be well aware of the demand for top keeps among the elite clubs and in addition will hike up their prices, which means transfer fees for a number of keepers will be at a premium.

I think you slightly or shall we say overly missed the point I was trying to make, the same point I was making is not solely focused on a keepers but for any of the key positions we need addressing. Brover, try reading it again or maybe you read it correctly and in that case I respect your opinion but I am content in agreeing to disagree.

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