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21 Aug 2017 14:33:15
Probably more a question for Ed01 this! Is Klopp still attending the youth games regularly? Is he still showing an interest as he was when he first got the job, or is he more relying on the info others give him?

Liverducks

{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head I don't actually know, if no one here knows I will ask, though I very much doubt he will have had much time to attend this season with the extra games.}


1.) 21 Aug 2017 16:08:38
He only went to the first game on like the day he was signed since then he's rarely gone. Which was one of the sticks used to beat the brodge with.

{Ed001's Note - he went to more than that mate. But being unable to get to many is one of the reasons for moving the training ground to the same site as the academy.}


 

 

16 Aug 2017 12:22:15
Ed1 if you're about. I think we're all pretty excited about Alexander-Arnold, me included, he looks like he'll be top class. Apologies if it's been covered, but where do you see his best position long term? I know he's played in midfield in some age groups. In time, I'd love to see him play there.

Liverducks

{Ed001's Note - impossible to say as it really comes down to how he develops and what gaps come up in the squad.}


1.) 16 Aug 2017 16:47:04
I just love it when some of the kids make it though to first team.
I noticed he was taking the corners on one side so must be doing good in training. Keep up the good work Trent 👍🏻.


2.) 16 Aug 2017 17:23:31
In Gerrard's autobiography, he mentioned Trent as a potential world beater. He wrote this two years ago and it seems his talent was obvious then.


 

 

15 Aug 2017 11:55:14
Why are people adamant that we should let Coutinho leave to let him chase his dreams nut also seem resigned to the fact we can't get our 2 main targets because their clubs are holding firm. What's the difference between our situation and theirs?

I don't feel sorry for Coutinho, he's earning millions a year, and it was his decision to sign a contract with no release clause. I don't see why we should bow down to Barcelona and let them take our best player - again. It would be a gamble whoever we replaced him with and one we should have to take, at least for another year, he's going to hold his value if not increase it.

Keep hold and he'll get over it. I'd put money on him being our best player again this season if he's still around.

Liverducks

{Ed002's Note - The difference is enormous.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 12:09:58
Coutinho has been courting Barcelona for about a year.
VVD and Keita have been illegally approached and unsettled by our club.

Do you see the difference?


2.) 15 Aug 2017 12:17:11
Sorry ED002 but the only difference between Keita to LFC and Coutinho to Barcelona is a transfer request, I don't think it's that significant, considering it got rejected, doesn't always need to be in black and white to see a player wants a transfer, sometimes they just do in their team mates during training instead.

{Ed002's Note - No, that is not the case.}


3.) 15 Aug 2017 12:18:59
I think I know what you're saying Ed in the fact that Coutinho is trying to engineer the move as opposed to us unsettling players. But the current situation is that Couts, VVD and Keita all want to leave the club they play for. Our fans seem to want us to Let Couts go now for some reason whilst being resigned to Southampton and RBL not selling to us.

Why shouldn't we expect our club to do the same thing?

{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to understand the process at all. If Liverpool don't want to sell they don't have to. If Southampton don't want to sell to Liverpool they don't have to. If RBL want to wait until next season to see what they can get for the player then they can.}


4.) 15 Aug 2017 12:36:53
That's my point Ed. Sorry if I'm not explaining well, I'm happy with the club's stance on Coutinho and hope they stick to it. My point was more about fans being seemingly happy for us to fold and accept a bid for Couts, whilst it looks more and more unlikely that Southampton and Leipzig will not sell our main targets.

I'm not criticising those clubs, I just don't understand why some posters on here are willing to lose Couts, but at the same time accept Saints and Leipzig don't want to sell.


5.) 15 Aug 2017 12:48:18
Ron, yep fully aware of that, thanks. My point is about supporters accepting that Saints and RBL don't want to sell, whilst thinking that we should let Coutinho go.

I don't know your position on Coutinho, but in my opinion, there is no money I'd sell him for in this window.


6.) 15 Aug 2017 12:48:54
"now for some reason whilst being resigned to Southampton and RBL not selling to us"

No we still want it to happen. Fact is there is no point living in fairytale land hoping they do happen. What'll be will be.


7.) 15 Aug 2017 12:57:15
Get what you're saying Phil, I accept that those deals will be incredibly difficult, but I still don't see why anyone on here would be accept losing Coutinho, no one has addressed that yet, which is my main point.


8.) 15 Aug 2017 13:01:52
Liverducks - Coutinho doesn't want to play for LFC anymore. Therefore he is not committed to LFC anymore. He is not playing in a very important game tonight for LFC.

If your players are not focussed on the team then they will under-perform. That's why the clubs basically run the players lives for them. They don't want the players thinking about anything other than football.

If he doesn't want to play for us we should sell him for the best deal we can get and that goes for every player.

Keita and Van Dijk have not been angling for a move for a year, they have not been approached by the likes of Madrid or Barcelona. It is vastly different. RBL are in the champions league and Bundesliga runners up. We can't match that.


9.) 15 Aug 2017 13:26:06
Spot on Ron.

To add to it - if any of our players do not want to play for us then good riddance to them. We want players who are dedicated to LFC and have their heart in every game. Couts heart is set on Barcelona and has been for over a year.
World class or not he will start going missing in big games a lot more than he does now, and will not put 100% in.
Specially if this is really a "now or never" transfer. If we kept him he will never be happy with us.

Does he reaallllyyyyyyyy have a back problem? I think not to be honest.


10.) 15 Aug 2017 13:26:42
We can't match RBL?!? I'm sorry Ron, but I do not for 1 second believe that Liverpool FC can not match RBL in any way. On the pitch off the pitch, I think any player worth having would choose Liverpool over RBL, as indeed Keita would like to do if it was his decision.

Now, RBL don't want to sell - fine. They clearly see enough talent and professionalism in Keita that he will still be an asset this season and maybe even increase in value. That is clearly what the people who have a say at Liverpool see in Coutinho.

In my opinion, we will never win the league again if we take your approach and sell players as soon as they want to go. We have to keep our best players and add enough quality to convince those players to stay. We will always be a selling club if we don't do something about it, Coutinho will be 100% focussed when the window is closed and he can get on with his job.

All my opinion of course. But I just can't see how we'll progress if we continue to let the likes of Coutinho leave.

{Ed002's Note - Keita has said he sees Liverpool as the next step up to one of the big clubs, Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester City.}


11.) 15 Aug 2017 13:39:23
I think It's a nice sentiment that fans don't want players that don't want to play for liverpool, and I would be fully on board with that if we were winning trophies every year. But we're not, and never will if we sell our best players.

Ed, that might help make my point! Keita sees us as a stepping stone to a big club. Players don't see us a top level club anymore. The only way we get there is by adding players like Keita and keeping players like Coutinho. Otherwise we'll always be a stepping stone and be in and out of the champs league. If we're challenging for major trophy year after year, players will stick around.


12.) 15 Aug 2017 13:52:23
ed02 actually more fabrication to justify your bias, at no point where liverpool mentioned in the quote about man city barcelona or real madrid.

{Ed002's Note - He was t


13.) 15 Aug 2017 13:58:46
If Keita sees City as a bigger club than Liverpool, I think we'd be better off chasing an option with a bit more common sense!


 

 

17 Jul 2015 10:33:33
Lallana has to play this season. Class finish. Looks sharp. Tricky to get them all in the team when everyone is fit but lallana, coutinho and firmino could be unbelievable to watch. I'd be gutted if he left.

Liverducks

1.) 17 Jul 2015 10:42:16
That was indeed one top class goal. Just saw the goal. Controlled with your left foot, Make room from your marker and then bang with your right foot, top right corner.
impressed.

Typical Liverpool goal to conceed, Sit back, No real DM to break the play, No tackle at all. So mh space for them to shoot.


2.) 17 Jul 2015 10:43:41
That would be the three behind the striker for me


3.) 17 Jul 2015 10:55:45
I don't think lallana would leave even if we accepted a bid for him. He's got a solid character (to quote Brendan haha) and I think he will want to prove he's capable of playing for a big club. He had it made at Southampton, captain fantastic, guaranteed to play week in week out and he gave it up to come to us


4.) 17 Jul 2015 11:08:02
The only problem I have with that is that Milner and Henderson will start. That means we have a 2 man midfield with neither being dedicated holding midfielders. Henderson can play as a holding midfielder. And very well actually.He did it for England's U21's and looked class. He is powerful, composed, has a great passing range, reads the game well. Only problem is he's so good at bursting forward that it seems a shame to shackle him.

Lallana is playing his way into contention so far though. That's too class goals. There's no doubting his ability. Just whether he can fit in when the likes of Milner, Hendo, Coutinho, Firmino and Benteke are guaranteed to start.

I wouldn't put it past Rodgers to play without a more defensive minded midfielder though.


5.) 17 Jul 2015 11:25:43
EMS

Neither Milner nor Henderson are holding players and the goal we conceded today shows what you want in the team the most. We need someone to break up the play and should be positionally sound.

Now struggle buying all B2B players up down and center and not looking for player like Schinderlin.

We are certain to conceed goals as there is no player in the middle to stop the opposition.

We should only start one of Henderson and Milner in the middle and the other player should be either Lucas or a top class Holding player.

I hope now you unerstand Y the club placed a bid for Kovacic as he is simialr to Schnider.


6.) 17 Jul 2015 12:28:07
It's a pre season friendly. Chill.


7.) 17 Jul 2015 12:38:58
Neither Kovacic or Schneiderlin are holding midfielders Harry.

If you read my posts i'm probably the only person who thinks Lallana should be sacrificed for Lucas to play.


8.) 17 Jul 2015 13:23:17
Lucas was playing when the goal was conceded with Henderson and Milner. ?


9.) 17 Jul 2015 13:47:56
EMS

Lucas is not the answer mate I am afraid, ED01 loves him so does the page, He is just about ok and gets bullied by Strong physical presence in the midfeild. Was he better than Sandro? Luis Gustavo? No.

Either we need an upgrade on Lucas ( Medal ) or a completely differnet player like Schinder or Kovacic.
Both are not just playmaker, but posses great defensive attributes.

Till then we would conceed goals. We need someone to put in some strong point blank tackles.


 

 

16 Feb 2015 10:47:21
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how anyone can say we had a bad start to last season. Maybe the performances weren't as spectacular as they were in the second half of the season, but in my 24 years I've never seen us play as well as we did in the run in last year. Obviously we we dipped at the start of this season, we lost one of the top 5 players in the world and then sturridge to injury (over 50 premier league goals). We're getting there now, and I can't understand wanting Rodgers out at this point and going back to square one.

And all the hatred aimed at Sterling is ridiculous. He is probably the best young player in Europe, (which everyone on here agreed with last season) so why shouldn't he be paid as such? He's had to become a senior player for us at the age of 20, and done brilliantly.

I don't understand the culture of slating any player of ours. Surely you all want him to sign and fulfil his potential here, even if he only gives us another 2 seasons followed by £60million in the bank.

Liverducks

1.) 16 Feb 2015 11:29:34
Ok need to get this off.
Everybody goes on about the difficulty of losing Suarez and Sturridge. Other teams also lose players you no I could give two examples from recent pl seasons (Southampton and Manchester United after losing Ronaldo)
Now if you all jog your brains you'll remember that for 4 weeks from the end of December to mid January (Before Sturridge's return) we were playing great out playing arsenal and thrashing Swansea.
So why didn't he revert to the passing style midway through the season. We started playing a pressing system WITHOUT SUAREZ AND STURRIDGE and were still winning. So why could you explain to me did he start with that horrible pass pass system? Why did hewait until hhalf the season was over we were well out of the contention for the title and embarrassingly thrown out of the UCL?

Bottom line is he is a stubborn guy who will always return to his preferred system.


2.) At this stage last season we were on 50 points. In the current season that would put us 3rd; 9 points off Chelsea, 2 off of City and only 3 ahead of United. That was despite having no European competition and going out of both cups early.

Last season looked good because everyone else was awful too. Had we not gone on a blistering run taking 34 points from the final 39 available we'd have finished 4th at best.

Even if we win our next 13 games this season we will only make 81 points. Arsenal came 4th last season with 79. Basically, to be sure of 4th we need to win every game. Only other option is to hope the others slip up and we are completely unaffected by the FA cup and Europa league.


3.) I am sorry mate but we should not be in the position we are now with the money spend and what he claims he is.
We were dumped out from the Cl like a laughing stock.
This is not to offend our manager but don't try to make him messiah.


4.) 16 Feb 2015 11:42:26
Small reason
**So why did he revert to the pressing system halfway through the season and not before

Anybody can give a decent answer to this?

{Ed001's Note - simple, his job was on the line.}


5.) 16 Feb 2015 11:44:36
Small correction
**So why did he revert to the pressing system halfway through the season and not before

Anybody can give a decent answer to this?


6.) 16 Feb 2015 11:51:39
So ed why did he have to start with that God awful style at the start?

{Ed001's Note - because his job was safe and he believes that is the long term future system that will have the most success.}


7.) 16 Feb 2015 11:59:29
I'm still astounded as to how someone thinks he should manage us next season. There is every chance he will revert to that system next season again


8.) 16 Feb 2015 12:14:11
I'm not convinced there is anyone better available at the moment. I like Ed001s idea of Brendan under a top DOF; Brendan is a good coach and we play some sweet footie when we get it right but he needs more guidance a la Kenny under Sir Bob


9.) Reet, that is exactly the reason why i want Brendan gone at the end of the season. I am fed up of this b******t about LFC' season starting in January. Its a shameless excuse that managers come up with to get themselves more time. If your a good and capable manager and have a proven formula for success, u will not have to come up with such lame excuses in the first place. Just use a system that suits the players than imposing something alien on them. Brendan has made that same mistake twice in a row and i do not see him changing his stubborn and clueless ways anytime soon. I want a manager who will dish out credit to others as well as absorb most of the blame when the team is under pressure like Mourinho does. Brendan is the complete opposite of that.


10.) We were top at Christmas last season.
Must have been a terrible first 3 months.

{Ed001's Note - how does that match up to the style of play? It is this kind of pointless comparison that is keeping the United fans behind the arrogance of LVG, because they are putting up with the dross served up due to a false league position. We only started to perform well partway through the season when Rodgers changed the style, up until then we were picking up results but on the back of individual brilliance, not good team performances. Why is that so hard to grasp??}


11.) I've said before that Rodgers still has a lot of learning to do, but if Rodgers learnt by his mistakes from the past 2 seasons and started next season with the same style we are playing at the minute, would it not be worth keeping him next season.

I don't think he is god, but at the end of the day if we change manager again in my eyes are we not back to square one.

A new manager will want to bring in another group of players and we start a new transition again.

I know there's been broken promises and he doesn't use the academy kids enough but that's for the owners to limit his spending in the summer and limit him to 1 quality signing.

The performances have improved a lot since the start of the season so it shows he's got it in him.

{Ed001's Note - so what if we bring in a new head coach whose job is to coach the players given to him? How would that be back to square one?}


12.) Reet, maybe he now sees that as a mistake.
The important thing is he "has" reverted back to a system which works.
No manager is perfect and when I weigh up the positives and negatives with the current manager I see a lot more positives than negatives.
That is why I am behind him. at the moment.


13.) Ed001. We played nowhere near the dross of LVG's United team last season.
I admit though that United's position in the league is a classic example of league position masking the actual football being played.
I don't remember being that bad though fella:)
Also would it not be fair to suggest that when your star player(Suarez) is out injured or suspended that you might have to try and alter the way you play in some way to maximise what you have available?
That may have had an impact on style of play early on in the season last year, especially when you consider who was on the bench for most of last year (Aspas, Alberto etc)
A lot more options this season than last.

{Ed001's Note - we weren't that bad, I agree, but we were still poor and playing the pass, pass, pass system. It was remarked how much things changed after Rodgers attended a Bielsa seminar because it was such a sea change to attacking, exciting football. So why have people forgotten it now? It was nothing to do with who was available, the SAS played a large part in picking up the points when we were playing boring footie.}


14.) My stubborness makes it hard to grasp ed001.
"I'm just not havin it" ha ha ha.

{Ed001's Note - go back and watch the games then. I have.}


15.) Ed

Who is a realistic option as head coach, and also how many new coaches would go to a new team and not expect to have money to spend?

I know people are saying de boer but what experience does he have?

{Ed001's Note - what experience does Rodgers have? At least de Boer has titles and so is a proven winner.}


16.) People should really stop making excuses and suppositions for BR because it is really getting old and tiring. We know he likes the pass pass style and we also know it has gotten us nowhere for two thirds of the time he`s been here. Fact! The fact that some of us are "not having it" doesn`t make it less a fact because we have empirical evidence to prove that while some only have their suppositions to counter these facts. Also, we know he is stubborn and arrogant and felt his job was safe which is why he was being arrogant in the press UNTIL FSG was going to give him the chop then went back to the high press system (which he doesn`t really favor BUT has to play because he would have goten the sack in Nov/Dec). We cannot afford such ditherings and we need a coach who knows what he is doing ALL the time and not HALF the time. Yes we are getting results and the play is better BUT we always had good results w/ the players we have and the stem they thrive on that BR himself introduced so why did he change to a tried and failed system? Only BR can answer that. Until then, can we just stop making excuses for his unforced blunders and errors because it makes some of us desperate to give him credit for the "upturn" while in reality, we should NEVER have been in this situation were it not for his arrogance and stubborness.


17.) The missus is back on Wednesday morning fella.
If you think I am spending it watching Enrique give the ball away for the 3 hundreth time at Villa last year then your mistaken!!!!!
I'll spend it on ere instead.
Talking ship!!


18.) Come on ed I know you want Rodgers out, but De boar managing in a poor league hardly gives him top experience.

I wouldn't say there's much between them experience wise.


19.) Rodgers took us to within inches of the league last year only to balls it up this year through his own fault, but then persisted with the same mistakes for 6 months and ruined our season until the amount of hate and pressure directed at him made him crumble, panic and throw it all out the window in a blaze of glory. Hence we now have a completely bizarre looking 3421 formation that almost certainly isn't a long term fix and rodgers is praised as genius for only driving us into the ground for 5 months, not 7.


20.) There is, unfortunately. De Boer was a fine defender in his time with Gerrardesque passing ability. He has won titles at Ajax while BR doesn`t have a sausage YET to his name. He has coached in the CL four seasons in a row while BR has only 6 games so far. Do these facts mean he will win us the PL? NO! Does it mean he is more experienced than BR? Heck YES!


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2018 16:30:45
Ed 02, what do you mean "very stupid"?

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{Ed002's Note - I mean more than just plain "stupid" and less than "DF".}


 

 

 

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15 Feb 2018 12:59:57
Ed025 has to fishing there! Everton shipped 5 at home to Atalanta. Although to be fair. you will always have the famous night at Goodison under the lights where your boys managed a credible 2-2 draw with Apollon Limassol.

Liverducks

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26 Jan 2018 16:12:08
If the club are sick of him, why wouldn't they want to offload him this window? Genuine question, not trying to pick holes in what Ed2 is saying.

Liverducks

{Ed002's Note - Because of their need for him to play in the latter half of the season as they push for the Champions League. They gave Liverpool a price at the start of the window - Liverpool did not want to pay it. Perhaps they realised they are already paying well over the odds and pushing the transfer fee towards €100M is stupid?}


 

 

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17 Jan 2018 15:50:17
I agree to a certain extent MK, and I'm not against VAR at all, can just see a few problems with it. I think initially it will be more of a tool to rule out goals rather than give them (although the opposite is true last night) .

Liverducks

{Ed025's Note - it takes too long for me ducks, if they can speed it up then yes but it spoils the game when we are hanging around for a decision mate..


 

 

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17 Jan 2018 10:46:44
I think there's going to be problems with it down the line. For me, linesmen will have to stop giving any offside decisions for it to work properly, because if the flag goes up and the referee blows the whistle the chance is then gone. If VAR proves that to be the wrong decision, the attacking team won't get that chance again.

Also, how often to defenders stop once they see the flag go up? It won't always be a true reflection of what would have happened in that sequence of play.

It will clearly work in a lot of circumstances, but I think there is going to be few fall outs over it.

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09 Jan 2018 16:35:53
Lazio have got a good young CDM - Think his name is Lucas Leiva. Any interest?

Liverducks