Liverpool Banter Archive August 18 2017

18 Aug 2017 23:26:35
I'm just watching the Watford game again and 2 things are abundantly clear. Well 3 but I'll leave the defence out of it it's been done to death.

1. Hendo, Can and Wiji are good players but none can really get the ball and go past people to take players out of the game. Can has his lung busting runs occasionally but other than that they play everything in front of the opposition.

2. We are crying out for a natural goal scorer. The amount of balls that get flashed across the box and nobody takes a chance to nip in front of the defender. Perhaps Solanke could be the man long term but Firmino (as much as I love him and think he's immense) doesn't have that instinct of a Rush, Shearer, Kane, Aguero. He's not even in the box when the balls are coming across. I think his instinct is to provide rather than score sobto have him a bit deeper with his work rate and quality I think would work.

18 Aug 2017 23:34:13
3 clear points?

18 Aug 2017 23:48:54
While I agree with you to some extent, we did end up scoring 3 goals. Goals has never been a problem for this Liverpool team. Sadly it's the defence that needs sorting out real soon.

18 Aug 2017 23:58:54
100% agree ings, firmino a bit deeper would work well and I'd really like to see solanke up front in his place with mane and salah. solanke is young but I feel he can be what we need. mane has looked unreal so far also!

19 Aug 2017 00:22:36
Just finished the game and I feel much better. The first goal was awful. No getting away from it. How you can miss a big lump like that dressed in yellow running across the box to head in from 2 yards is beyond me. Other than that we defended ok. Both of their goals were lucky ricochets and both were offside. That won't happen very often. Plus we could/ should've had 6 by that point. Bad luck and first game rustiness we'll be just fine guys don't you worry.

19 Aug 2017 00:55:12
Okay. And the purpose of the OP was? Is it like those facebook posts where we get to see before and after pics of the food people are eating?

19 Aug 2017 02:23:32
"goals have never been a problem for this team"

How have they never been a problem? We're not going to know for sure until we face up against a stubborn parked bus.

19 Aug 2017 03:14:07
Ra WTF are you on about? 😂.

19 Aug 2017 06:05:08
Watford's last goal wasn't offside as the lad who put it in was inline with the ball as it was played to him, hence not offside.

19 Aug 2017 07:39:41
I would say he was just offside but so close it's a tough call. anyway with the terrible defending before hand we deserved to concede.

19 Aug 2017 10:05:47
Watford's second goal was clear offside as Okaka was offside when the ball went wide (not interfering with play. But as soon as the cross is made to him, he should have been flagged for offside as he at that point, became active hence, interfering with play.

18 Aug 2017 22:45:45
Hi ed002 if you're about I was wondering if you could explain how the FFP rules work?

Thanks.

19 Aug 2017 00:00:09
And the complete workings of transfer fees and contract clauses lol.

19 Aug 2017 02:20:38
And Quantum Physics whilst you are at it.

19 Aug 2017 01:32:54
Back in the day, when I went out drinking on a Friday night, I might round the evening off by calling up a mate in the early hours and singing a song down the phone or leave it as a voice message.
The modern day equivalent is turning up here, late on a Friday night, probably drunk, asking ED002 to explain FFP, shirt sales, VVD updates etc.
Got to love it when your mates try winding you up.

19 Aug 2017 02:37:13
And how to tap up a player.

19 Aug 2017 05:09:25
Its ok I'll explain it. You can't spend much more than you earn! (About 35m loss per year is ok if owners can cover) If you do you get fined or reduced C/ L squad size to 21 or a transfer ban!

18 Aug 2017 21:13:05
Apologies if this has been asked before or is unimportant.

There are rumours (albeit from twitter) that Werner was responsible for briefing the press about VVD, have you heard anything similar or is it a case of clutching at straws? If so would you expect anything to happen in regards to Werner?

Also, ED001 if you're around, what would you do regarding Coutinho? Sell and try to replace?

Cheers.

18 Aug 2017 22:20:05
Isn't Werner a partner of Fenway Sports Group?

We can't sack an owner, can we?

I think he's actually the chairman of the club.

19 Aug 2017 00:08:46
I have heard that Information was leaked by Southampton that VvD had meet with Klopp in Blackpool. The information they had was a mail that was sent by a mistake to the wrong person, and then they got hold of it. Just a roumur, but seems plausible.

19 Aug 2017 10:09:16
No one really knows really and trust me, we will never know for sure who leaked it BUT regardless, what Klopp did was wrong and thankfully, it came out when it did.

18 Aug 2017 21:30:44
Heard from someone itk that coutinho will stay. He'll apparently keep his head down, take us to within a few points of the title before biting an opponent at next summers world cup and promptly securing his dream move to arsenal.

18 Aug 2017 21:46:46
£140,00001,00?

18 Aug 2017 21:50:24
Been saying it for several days- he's staying 👍.

18 Aug 2017 22:46:58
I can't see him going now either. Got to say though I'm disgusted with the way Barcelona have conducted themselves during the whole saga. We shouldn't have to put up with representatives of their club saying they are 'negotiating a deal' or 'close to a deal' when we have released a statement saying he won't be sold this summer. Whatever we did with VVD I know was wrong but we didn't do that. If that's not illegal it damn well should be they are an absolute disgrace, on and off the pitch at the moment.

18 Aug 2017 23:23:14
Ron, are you happy he seems to be staying? The other day you were adamant you wanted him gone?

18 Aug 2017 23:49:04
If he's committed to the team then I'm happy.
Don't want a sulk at the club though. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

19 Aug 2017 00:51:55
He won't sulk. Not the type. He's wanted this move for a long time but still conducted himself as a professional on the field. Loads of stuff has been said by his entourage, his agent, Barcelona and the media but he has stayed mostly out of it. I would even say he's been extremely clever and smart. Played his game behind the scenes and even made a transfer request (as a last ditch effort), but has now seen that the end game is not in his favor. There's a lot worse in life than getting paid 150,000 per week playing for LFC FC.

18 Aug 2017 21:10:52
Just putting this out there. If there's a chance that Barcelona will up their bid to an acceptable amount, but closer to the end of the transfer window, we won't be able to get a quality player in.
If the board suspects this, and they have a figure in mind that they will accept, will it not make sense to tell Barcelona this? Get the money in and get a replacement in.
I suspect that even though we want to keep Coutinho, there is a price that we will accept.

18 Aug 2017 21:47:55
You never know, Messi to Man City might help the situation.

18 Aug 2017 21:37:36
Acceptable amount? What would that be? He's currently IMO overpriced. It doesn't matter regardless. Again at this stage it's of no advantage to sell coutinho.

18 Aug 2017 22:12:49
Sure, if there is such an amount. But it would seem there isn't.

I am a bit inclined to this option myself. Sell PC, but only after a silly money bid for Keita is accepted. And maybe one more midfielder.

I think Couts will stay, sulk through september, do OK for himself in oct-feb and play his heart out in the spring to get a spot on the Brazil team.

18 Aug 2017 22:24:02
He cost £8million.

Sell him.

18 Aug 2017 22:39:13
So what if he cost £8 million, that has no consequence to his valuation now.

18 Aug 2017 23:12:36
What's the profit on him got to do with it? Plus maybe the club shld learn when you sell a star for lots of money (Suarez) they're not easy to replace and can be replaced by shite! I'd be looking to get Mane on a new contract with a HUGE exit clause!

18 Aug 2017 23:36:12
Overpriced gylfi 45 mill 😂😂.

19 Aug 2017 10:34:57
Its not easy for us to think of price (lucky its not our job) . But let's factor certain things in. Current market. Age. Tallent. Ability to improve when at new team. Marketability. Attitude. Fitness. Prone to injury. Team he's going to.
With all if that, I'd pruce him at around 65 - 80% of what Neymar went for. 65 cos at current he's not as big a player. But playing for barca, he could overtake Neymar.

18 Aug 2017 20:43:01
Just to clarify, this is apparently the 'deal' Barcelona offered.

Winning multiple trophies in the same season

Winning multiple Champions League titles

Winning the Ballon d’Or as the world’s best player

Winning multiple trophies and the Ballon
D’Or in the same season

Payment of the basic £80m fee staggered over five years

They may as well write all this on a bit of paper and shove it as far up their council gritter as possible.

18 Aug 2017 21:01:41
They won't be winning much unless they sort out that squad.

18 Aug 2017 21:55:20
I hate all these add on "if they do this" scenarios that are put into transfer fees, I know it's a way for the buyer to try and mitigate against buying a player that ends up a flop but some of them are just daft, may as well put in "if coutinho cures cancer we will pay an extra £50m"
Is this a newish thing that's popped into the game eds as I don't seem to remember them when I was younger?

18 Aug 2017 20:07:02
That bid stinks! 80m over 5 years! 36m add-ons comprising of winning multiple trophies in a year. Cout wining balon d'or and other junk. Psg paid 200m in One payment. BARCA. Do one!

18 Aug 2017 21:51:08
Cheek.

18 Aug 2017 19:40:23
Can I just say how proud I am of the club standing firm on the Coutinho situation, rejecting massive offers.

Bottom line is, the club doesn't need to sell it's top players and the player has a 5 year contract with the club.

The club should stay firm on its stance. We can't continue selling our top top players and am glad the club now realises this.

18 Aug 2017 19:50:25
Totally agree, but I think we'll bail at north of 120 Mill.

18 Aug 2017 20:13:35
And bring in who?

18 Aug 2017 20:38:40
Naby Keita.

18 Aug 2017 21:26:37
hopefully not if it's structured anything like the bullshit they've been trying to pull. I don't mind add-ons but would like AT LEAST 80-100mill lump some then whatever bells and whistles they want.

18 Aug 2017 19:18:09
SlySports news reporting that West Brom have expressed their interest in Sakho.

Guessing he could be a replacement for Jonny Evans?

18 Aug 2017 20:24:14
We should go for Evans, he's decent, considered home grown, not ridiculously overpriced by comparison to what this window has thrown up and I don't care who he used to play for before I'm blasted.
Might even get a straight up exchange if both players were up for it.

18 Aug 2017 18:58:08
It's really is going to be a mad end to the window!

18 Aug 2017 19:47:01
You heard anything ST? Hope Gomez will stay. He'll get his chance this year. No way matip or lovren will stay fit all year haha.

18 Aug 2017 21:08:13
Not much since what I said about clyne.

18 Aug 2017 18:40:06
All this talk about Coutinho leaving the club I wanna see some serious talk about players coming in!

I've been checking SSN religiously at work dreaming about reading "Liverpool have bid accepted for Van Dijk" 🙏🏽.

18 Aug 2017 19:01:40
I hope you're not holding your breath while you're waiting for that headline.

18 Aug 2017 19:02:00
Just keep reloading this site, it'll probably be on here before it reaches slysports haha.

18 Aug 2017 19:07:25
I'm the same about Keita 🙏🏻😄.

18 Aug 2017 19:31:02
I'm telling your boss 😂.

18 Aug 2017 20:22:07
Cant stand ssn Chris gialanze best thing that's been on that channel was the guy with the dildo on transfer deadline day.

18 Aug 2017 18:31:35
Hey Ed001, how're you mate. Question for you. Do you think Pepjin would be ready to step up next as our manager? Or do you think he'll move elsewhere to start with first team management? Also on a side note, would love to hear what noises are being made of Gerrard and how he's coping with his new challenge. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - depends on when that is. Gerrard has barely even started yet, far too early.}

18 Aug 2017 18:20:31
112 rising to 118 million now is too good to turn down for a player who wants out.
The blame should fall squarely on Klopps shoulder, as Ed01 has told us numerous times Couts has been pushing for a move away for months. The incompetence of Klopp and his team in finding suitable replacements and more first team players is shocking.
He leaves now for a huge fee i. e. Leaves next year for who knows what plus we have a very unhappy player in the squad if he stays.
Very poor management and scouting as usual, can't blame Couts for leaving to play with his idols.

18 Aug 2017 18:36:28
How's is klopp fault Barcelona chose to wait 3 days before the season to put a bid in. Klopp even said every player has a price but the time has to be right. Do you want them to replace him before they have bid?

18 Aug 2017 18:46:27
The expectation was that he'd be a Liverpool player for another season and Barcelona would look for him next year. But Neymar's departure accelerated the timetable, so you can't really blame the club for not having a replacement lined up before the summer, imo.

And considering the sale of Coutinho will immediately inflate the asking price of anyone else we try to buy, I'd question whether £112m rising to £118m is too good to turn down. Especially if it's over a period of time rather than all up front.

You can fault Klopp for quite a few things, but that's seriously stretching it.

18 Aug 2017 18:46:39
90 mil rising to 118.disgrace
40% of what they got from neymars sale.
NOT FOR SALE.

18 Aug 2017 18:47:32
I'm reading it was 80 million up front but then 36.5 million based on Coutinhos performance in form of add ons. For example if Coutinho wins the Ballon Dor, another was if Barcelona won CL.

If this is true I don't blame the club for rejecting it immediately.

18 Aug 2017 18:52:14
Yeah let's blame Klopp for everything! The tea at Anfield is too hot - blame Klopp, shirts cost too much - blame Klopp, Barcelona can't come up with an acceptable offer to buy poor little Phil - blame Klopp!

18 Aug 2017 19:00:03
He knew it was coming, everyone did.

18 Aug 2017 19:06:18
Mcgoveb, your post makes very little sense. How is Klopp to blame, exactly? Cou may have orchestrated this himself BUT why did he sign the contract if he wanted to go? Did you ask yourself that? Oh, but let's all jump on Klopp's back cos he is trying to hold on to a player that regardless of what many say, is our best player, end of. Why? W/ O him, there is no Mane or Salah or Firmino cos him being on the pitch alone, attracts more attention and changes the way teams defend against us. That is the biggest impact a player can have on our team and on the opposition.

Barca knew full well that we may not sell so they put a bid in late in the window and are putting pressure on Cou to force the move himself by putting crap in the media and using his agent to turn his head and poison the well, which is disgusting YET standard procedure with Barcelona and RM. We are calling their bluff and not selling and that's that. Cou had better sort his head out and get on with it as it is a World Cup year and Tite the Brazilian manager, does not play favorites and won't care one iota about Cou's issues and sulking even tho, I believe he won't sulk.

18 Aug 2017 19:16:56
Klopp needed to show intent that LFC would seriously challenge for the title like he promised FSG when he joined. He didn't get any of his first choice players in this window. He has not improved on the CB's who are poor to say the least. We are playing last years 2nd choice LB as our first choice this season.
Had he brought in even one top CB, a top LB, a top CM then maybe Coutinho would see that Liverpool are serious about competing. Instead with less than 2 weeks to go we've had a fiasco of tapping up, apologies, indecisiness with regards other options to Keita and VVD, all culminating in good attacking football like last season and the same poor defending we are now growing accustomed too. If I was Couts I'd leave too, why not join your heros and challenge for league titles and the Champions league. I think we are a long way off that. Then again it's just my opinion and like everyone on here we all have one.

18 Aug 2017 19:22:17
McGoveb I read that post with utter disbelief. Talk about twisting the facts to suit your own agenda.

18 Aug 2017 19:28:09
Mcgoveb - not when he was putting pen to paper on a new contract we didn't. He was more than happy then.

18 Aug 2017 19:54:21
What agenda. Coutinho wants out. I didn't want him out, Klopp didn't want him out, FSG didn't want him out, every other fan didn't want him out, He wants out.
As the Eds have said constantly, players are transient, they join, they leave.
Couts has been excellent for Liverpool for 4 years so why not give him his wish? He's not a piece of work like Suarez, he's been a model pro for us who wants to take his career to the next level.

18 Aug 2017 21:22:03
And that's why you let players leave at the end of their contracts Mcgoveb, or within the last 2 years. If he re signs 6 months prior with no buyout clause he has to expect the club to be in a strong position. United got another year out of ronaldo, Spurs got another out of modric, they both went on to live their dreams but also helped the clubs one last time beforehand. It seems we want to do the same and I can't see how that's klopps fault!? He's 25 not 30, his dream move will still be available if he is good enough when we are in a stronger position to deal with it, 3 days before the season starts is laughable and we should be applauding Klopp/ the owners for their stance. If Barcelona aren't interested in the future, that's their prerogative.

18 Aug 2017 21:44:19
"When we are in a stronger position to deal with it", says it all really.
Can we ask him nicely next year to stay for another year if Klopp still hasn't got the players he wants?
No intent shown this transfer window in my opinion, wish Couts the best of luck, very good footballer, he'll be missed and i still think we have enough to keep scoring goals if he does go.
Unfortunately due to poor transfer strategy we will ship a load of goals again like last season and the season before. Maybe he'll stay and play CB?

18 Aug 2017 17:52:43
Its just come out (apparently) Pipco doesn't to play for LFC again.
Fair enough on the guy. His right to do what he wants. So why are we not accepting these bids?
Its causing more harm than good him still being here.
Are we really not going to sell him or are we just waiting?
Its disrupting the team keeping him here.

18 Aug 2017 18:08:41
It's his right to go on strike, whilst earning over 150k a week, with a long contract? .

I'm not bothered if he stays or goes, no player is bigger than the club. But saying it's his right to down tools is pure stupid.

18 Aug 2017 18:14:43
I think whoever is giving the yes or no has a price set in their mind and when or if its met then he will be sold. The window may close on the 31st but the bank doesn't so they will still be able to deposit their big fat cheque if it goes down to the last minute.

18 Aug 2017 18:18:05
We're not accepting these bids because they're not good enough. There's 2 weeks left in the window, and any club we try to buy from is going to know we're flush with cash from PipCo's sale. Those two things will almost certainly mean overpaying for a replacement for him, or indeed any other player in any position we try to buy after selling him.

Therefore, the club aren't going to accept a bid for him unless it's sufficiently ludicrous that we can basically afford to overpay for other club's players. If Barcelona only offered £20m for him, should we let him leave because it'd be too disruptive to keep him?

And as for things being reported in the media, let's not forget that the media have reported at least two different dates for him to revealed as a Barcelona player, which have both passed.

18 Aug 2017 18:19:43
I suppose like any transfer a fee will only be accepted, once the selling club finds a fee acceptable.

18 Aug 2017 18:20:29
I put a business argument in a post several weeks ago about why couts would not be sold.

I'm not ITK but it seems FSG - the billionaires - do know what they are doing after all heh!

I said it before and I stand by it - couts will be here 1st sept unless Keita signs (which is unlikely! )

18 Aug 2017 18:21:16
Why would we sell him for cheap?
90mil (rst is add-on) is 40% of what they got from Neymars sale.
I don't understand fans like you.
Its no way disrupting the team.

18 Aug 2017 18:30:40
Why accept a bid that is unacceptable?

18 Aug 2017 19:07:42
Why accept a bid at all if he is not for sale?

18 Aug 2017 17:48:17
We presumably could have had Davidson Sanchez and Ricardo Rodriguez for less than what Southampton want for VVD. Does anyone have thoughts on lemos from La Liga? Id really love to see him play for us. Sorry I know this is very much a wish list type post without much context or circumstance.

18 Aug 2017 18:04:06
LFC cannot be interested in every player on the planet, OP surely.

18 Aug 2017 18:08:07
The deal maybe already done?

18 Aug 2017 18:52:34
Davinson Sanchez is bambi on ice and is out of position more often than Moreno.

Rodriguez has had 2/ 3 bad seasons now.

No thanks.

18 Aug 2017 18:54:24
No not every player on the planet but at least look at an alternative instead of putting all your eggs in one basket. Vvd is def not the best cb on the planet so why are we wasting the whole tw messing about when southampton have made themselve very clear. Its not like this has been an issue that's just come up, the defence has been a shambles since klopp was appointed and 3 seasons on nothing has changed. Just fecking identify someone and get the fecking deal done.

18 Aug 2017 17:41:34
I'd be fascinated to hear from ed1, do you still think this is posturing or do you think the club will keep Couts? If it's the former then Liverpool have a hell of a poker face.

{Ed001's Note - did I really use the word posturing? No idea, I would say this is a club digging its heels in for now, at least. However the bid was not so huge in reality, as it is not cash up front or over the period of payment.}

18 Aug 2017 17:59:42
HI ED001 Do you think Braca will return with a fourth Bid?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

18 Aug 2017 18:01:10
The bid didn't include a player did it ed? Do you expect them to come back again? Its getting closer and closer to end of the window and im worried we don't have enough time to bring players in of we sell now?

18 Aug 2017 18:08:22
We are not selling Cou under any circumstances as it stands right now. Next!

18 Aug 2017 18:49:48
May have imagined it but that's what I recall. Thanks for the insight.

18 Aug 2017 17:10:53
I don't get the FSG bashing. What have they done wrong since they come in? Brought in the most sought after manager in Europe, made funds available, paid the right wages, increased the stadium. I think it's obvious they've given Klopp a big budget based on the Keita and VVD bids and if they were just interested in money surely they'd sell Cout?
If Klopp chooses not to spend the money that's not the owners fault. To me they seem to be doing everything right.

18 Aug 2017 17:18:00
I have to agree with you. I think what the owners have done for the club is nothing but brilliant. Again I agree, made funds available (large funds may I add) investing in the club by extending the stadium but most of all, saving us from when we was nearly down the drain hole! Anyone who is bashing the owners needs to read up and look what they have done for the club and are continuing to do for the club for the future. For sure one day they will sell up but for me, they will go down as fantastic owners due to the facts above.

18 Aug 2017 17:25:39
Short memories people seem to forget to easily what a poor state we were in when they arrived. Personally I think they worked wonders.

18 Aug 2017 17:52:17
FSG definitely split opinion of LFC fans. I enjoy reading both sides of the story regarding people's views.

18 Aug 2017 18:58:37
I think the only thing you could say that haven't done well enough is the hiring of the right people to oversee the day to day running of the club, that and from what I have read not doing more to get involved in the local community engaging the local fans of tomorrow, we could learn a thing or two from Everton who seem to be good at this.

18 Aug 2017 16:50:05
If it's true it's a bad move unless we are holding out for and expecting more.

Coutinho is not irreplaceable and we could get some much needed strength in depth with that kind of cash.

Meyer and Insigne are both capable of filling his shoes and would still leave us with enough to buy a couple more 'A' list players that would give us a bench to match Cite, Manure and Chelski.

18 Aug 2017 17:30:14
Why can't we buy A list players without selling him?

18 Aug 2017 18:04:34
He wants to leave. Barcelona's offered more than he's worth, so we should sell and move on.
He is a great player, but he wants to go and play for Barcelona. I honestly can't see the point of forcing a player to stay.113 million come on. Sell him. Let the lad have his dream move.

18 Aug 2017 18:34:57
OP, you are missing the point. We can't sell him cos he already signed a five year deal and should have not signed it, taken the raise and (maybe) signing bonus that came with it, and then wanna jump ship 5 months later. That is just crazy. Also, if we sell him, good luck trying to unlock parked bosses in the PL and in the CL and making progress this season. We don't need the money and don't need to sell.

Most importantly, Insigne will not come as Napoli is trying to win the Serie A and Meyer is 3 years away from Cou's current level. And even if we were going to sell, every other club will not sell their best players, which leaves you with left overs like say Lanzini who normally a 30m player, will now become a 60m player cos every man and his dog knows we are flush with cash. See how that works? What use is 120m if you can't use it efficiently? These are the reasons you don't sell. If Barcelona were dumb enough to sell Neymar and are getting shafted right now by BVB, does not mean we should sell Cou.

18 Aug 2017 16:31:09
Statement of Intent is an understatement.

18 aug 2017 18:01:17
if you keep your best player against his will, he will not be happy or play well, time will tell.

18 Aug 2017 16:16:39
BBC (not gossip section) reporting WBA interest in Sakho.

18 Aug 2017 16:24:03
To fill in for Evans probably.

18 Aug 2017 16:33:10
Replacement for Evans possibly.

18 Aug 2017 16:42:43
There's clearly no way back for Sakho with Klopp and he would be a decent signing for the Baggies. Whether we get what we're asking for him though is another matter. More money for us to spend in the next 13 days 🤔.

18 Aug 2017 16:57:07
City bid for Jonny Evans - so 2+2 journalism means WBA interested in Sakho.

18 Aug 2017 18:35:45
£30-35 million please Mr Pulis. That's money your after for an older and I would say not as astute defender.

Baz.

18 Aug 2017 16:01:44
I wonder what the odds on a new contract and a 'i'll be liverpool and want to win many trophies and develop @ lfc' will soon be circling IF HE STAYS THIS SUMMER.

18 Aug 2017 15:53:15
3rd bid rejected! We seem pretty adamant, hope he stays!

18 Aug 2017 16:01:34
Can't fault the club standing firm and sticking to their word.

18 Aug 2017 16:05:18
Great to finally see us sticking to our guns and not being bullied. I genuinely think Barcelona are on a slippery slope. They let neymar go, suarez now out, and they looked plain awful the other night against madrid. Coutinho has to be very careful here. Its obvious what he wants, but if the window shuts and he is still at liverpool, he better change his attitude or his world cup place could be in jeopardy. He has only really cemented himself in the national side in the past 18months, so a poor season, could see him miss out.

18 Aug 2017 15:59:16
Ed002 can you confirm this now or not?

{Ed002's Note - His agent has says he understands that an offer has been made but he has yet to be told about it formerly.}

18 Aug 2017 16:11:55
It is good for all if he goes.

FSG should do the business now and clear the cloud for the season.

The more it drags it is going to hurt LFC.

Cheers.

18 Aug 2017 16:20:34
There's nothing to tell his agent ed. he's been told he's not leaving, end of :)

18 Aug 2017 16:34:44
Well considering how bad our summer has gone in terms of transfers I wouldn't say selling coutinho benefits us. If we where to bring in VVD and Keita then yes, I might agree with that especially on the business side of things but if we where to sell coutinho and just continue the way we are, that wouldn't benefit us at all. Why should all these other clubs take that no nonsense stance with us but we should just bend over as soon as a huge bid comes in. We need to act like a big club to actually be considered one.

18 Aug 2017 17:01:36
Why do. I get the feeling Lp is waiting on other targets signing before making it public whether they wil accept or not. Not to drive prices up for targets not agreed with yet.

18 Aug 2017 16:19:50
Cheers ed. Sounds like its been rejected again. Right?

18 Aug 2017 15:43:28
LFC have immediately rejected a third bid from #FCB for Philippe Coutinho of €125 million.

18 Aug 2017 15:47:29
Really where is that on.

18 Aug 2017 15:53:51
Supposedly was subject of very large add ons. Not sure how much lfc would receive upfront but according to reports offer was very add on incentive.

18 Aug 2017 15:59:44
Just seen it.

18 Aug 2017 16:01:16
Twitter -> Melissa Reddy.

18 Aug 2017 16:04:11
Newsnow Liverpool! its all over the feed now, but let's be honest it could be one random person saying it and copy and paste by everyone else.

18 Aug 2017 15:10:35
Feels like the Virgil saga is moving forward. Heard om the Anfield wrap that we are currently in talk with Southampton. Today we got the article about Southampton need to sell before buying. The rumour is that they are close om signing Hoedt, and this part of the article in the daily echo from Southampton chairman two days ago. Krueger was asked whether Saints would even turn down a ludicrous offer if one came in and replied: “I will tell you one thing - over the years we have spoken I don't give definite answers where there isn't a definite. "

Hopefully the deal van be done, and he is worth the ludicrous sum we have to pay.

18 Aug 2017 15:44:02
Ed002 has said there has been no contact between the clubs since our Statement withdrawing interest. Therefor we can not be in talks with them.

18 Aug 2017 17:51:08
Or maybe we are in talks with them, and Ed002 hasn't been made aware?

18 Aug 2017 13:39:01
May sound a daft question but who is macca?

18 Aug 2017 13:44:29
He is the love child of Jason McAteer and Steve McManaman. McMacca.

18 Aug 2017 13:44:42
The Stig.

18 Aug 2017 13:45:34
Very highly respected user, with links to the club. He has been posting on here for years and his information is usually spot on.

18 Aug 2017 13:58:52
The stig bjornebye?

18 Aug 2017 14:00:54
Macca breaks the Internet lol.

18 Aug 2017 14:03:16
You know what, I was actually going to ask that question! I figured it was the Macca man himself?

18 Aug 2017 14:15:59
He invented the maccarena.

18 Aug 2017 14:30:02
hes also the real owner of both Apple and McDonalds.

18 Aug 2017 14:38:47
And a relative of MK Scouser MKMcMacca.

18 Aug 2017 14:39:59
Macca's lives in the Matrip with Neo and therefore gets all info before anybody else.

18 Aug 2017 14:54:31
He is of the MacDonald clan of Glencoe, his ancestors were murdered in the Glencoe massacre hundreds of years ago.

18 Aug 2017 15:40:39
He is obviously steven gerrard.

18 Aug 2017 12:32:57
Hi Ed (s), is there any interest from LFC in Draxler or Insigne? Both great players and Draxler is available for transfer.

18 Aug 2017 12:46:45
Ed002 if I may RTFP!

18 Aug 2017 14:41:49
There should be a time out step on the stairs for these people or if you are Irish the equivalent would be a bold step on the stairs
Agree if you've been on this step.

18 Aug 2017 12:11:15
Barca saying we are in negotiations? Wtf is going on eds if we want to keep him why negotiate?
And if we want to sell him say it's £ms if they don't like it lump it?

{Ed001's Note - Barca haven't, Pep Segura has and then said he couldn't talk about other team's players though.}

18 Aug 2017 12:28:38
Couts is going and where signing vvd and Keita it's long drawn out but all 3 clubs involved want to get this done and dusted its impossible for players involved to go back to normal. Players don't care that it's world cup year most don't care about international football.

18 Aug 2017 12:51:24
I wouldn't hold my breath mate. I'm a fan for as long as I can remember and never ever has these sort of deals come through for us. We might as well be linked with Messi.

Although I have much respect for Macca and the eds. So as Susan Boyle sings I dreamed a dream.

18 Aug 2017 12:54:07
There are 4 clubs involved. Pedantic I know. Its a boring day at work.

18 Aug 2017 13:17:53
'Players don't care about the world cup'? So why don't they choose not to be selected and have an extended holiday? There are plenty that do care and pip is one of them.

18 Aug 2017 13:20:41
Irish players might not, but Brazilians do! There is no higher honour than winning the World Cup and missing a squad that wins it wouldn't be worth contemplating.

18 Aug 2017 13:53:22
All I m saying is money and there own career come first a lot of top players would risk a world cup too got there own way.

18 Aug 2017 11:18:47
Any none negative fans, I know hard to come by on here, looking forward to the weekends game and its going to be a crazy end to the window for us by the looks of things anyways onwards and upwards all.

Solanke looks like he could be a gem and Salah has come in seamlessly and looks class aswell good in the air aswell which I didn't expect!

18 Aug 2017 11:50:47
I think the negative (or realistic as some people may see them) fans look forward to games just as much as you. Just because you're positive doesn't make you a better fan than the next. Just makes you look a little bit arrogant in your own self importance.

18 Aug 2017 11:58:04
Yeah always look forward to the game.
Won't be watching anything on transfer deadline day though, complete waste of my time. Lol.

18 Aug 2017 12:28:01
Chill out Jayden lmao.

18 Aug 2017 12:57:49
More important or arrogant than the negative fans who believe their opinion is above those who are positive?
Which is just the same as someone being positive writing off anyone negative by the way.

Having any different opinion doesn't make you arrogant, some people are open minded enough to really listen to someone else's theories, some people do not.

Salah offers a lot, Solanke looks class. Can't see why Robertson hasn't been playing yet though.

18 Aug 2017 13:24:54
I think cos a lot of the negativity isn't always warranted. People often just looking for a stick to beat the players, klopp and the owners ( even though the eds have said they don't buy / sell the players) . We could win the league and hundred per cent bet I'd see the usual, Henderson isn't a leader, pip too inconsistent, firmino never a striker, Gini does nothing, defenders are all useless etc etc Of course everyone wants better but I think often we compare our players which are scrutinised for every second they play against players we see half as much at most and usually just snippets on match of the day.

18 Aug 2017 13:45:15
Exactly the point I was referring too, there is far too many people who are negative for the sake of being negative on here its easy to pull a person down but not so easy to encourage someone through a hard time.

If you ran through our squad you can pretty much guarantee at some point each and every player in it has been berated on here.

This entire summer the site has been a hive of dross and overreaction of our squad and how will/ or will not perform most before we even kicked a competitive ball.

I don't expect to be looked upon as any more or less of fan I simply don't see the logic in spending my time ripping the team apart week in week out on every post that is put up on here its unbearable at times. I do not envy the eds and no doubt the masses of posts that don't even clear their veto process.

Bottom line CHEER THE H UP and let's get behind the team the manager the owners the staff the kitman the cleaner and molly in the kitchen where all in it together.


Jayden perhaps your not getting any at home but chill out with your way over the top reactionary posts to an emotion that is simply not purveyed.


Q the next 6 posts being about VVD, Keita, Coutinho or how poor someone is performing YAWN

Over and out

Peace to the Eds!

18 Aug 2017 14:34:46
Jkh fair enough points. But you are the one who started your post segregating the fans. You could have always been more positive (like you say you are ) and put looking forward to the game on the weekend. People seem to be very touchy considering things are so positive with our club.

18 Aug 2017 15:00:32
I accept your apology onwards!

18 Aug 2017 10:05:47
Morning everyone! Question for Ed001 if I may? If Liverpool stand firm in regards to coutinho saying he won't be sold how do you think coutinho himself will react to it? do you think he will knuckle down and carry on or will he throw his toys out the pram and sulk. I would just like your personal opinion on the matter. My opinion is he would have to get on with it as its a world cup year!

{Ed001's Note - I think the same as you, he will have to pick himself up and do his best or face missing out on the World Cup.}

18 Aug 2017 13:52:54
Liverpool are standing firm over Couts.

Saints are the same with VVD.

RBL are standing firm over Keita.

Barca want Couts and have surplus players to offer in part exchange.
Liverpool have surplus players, eg Sahko

Surely if these 4 clubs sat down and talked it through, each could be satisfied either by player of choice or a huge financial settlement.

18 Aug 2017 09:52:50
Well moving away from the transfers an interesting fact I see yesterday and now for all of you is stock city have more players than any other club in EPL who have won champions league five players to be precise.

18 Aug 2017 10:09:00
Pointless having Champions league experience if you're not in the competition 😂.

18 Aug 2017 10:12:23
Stoke City? 5 isn't it?

18 Aug 2017 10:28:05
We really going to include Bojan, Affelay and Shaquiri? They were bit part players in Barcelona and Bayern teams.

Who even are the other 2?

18 Aug 2017 11:10:14
They still won the champions league though. so yes you include them. And im guessing jese and maybe crouch?

18 Aug 2017 11:17:53
Peter Crouch
Joe Allen
Glen Johnson
Kurt Zouma
Darren Fletcher
Bojan
Shaqiri
Afellay
Jese
Martins Indi
Charlie Adam
Imbulla

all have UCL experience.

18 Aug 2017 11:23:28
Fletcher and Jese?

18 Aug 2017 11:52:56
Darren fletcher made 68 European appearances for Man utd between 2002 and 2014, missing the final one year after being sent off the semi

Jese made CL debut under ancelloti at Real.

18 Aug 2017 13:55:37
Well Stocked, you might say,

18 Aug 2017 09:22:13
If you are around Ed01, What's your view on Nedved. For me he was one of the best in his position. A central winger not many out there!

{Ed001's Note - loved Nedved! There are so many things to admire about him. When he was young someone told him he should improve his weaker foot to increase his options on the ball. He worked that hard on it that it became his stronger foot! He was able to take free kicks off either foot. Nedved also used to stay behind after training to practice techniques, then he would go home to use his gym to improve his fitness each day. Class and a fantastic attitude.}

18 Aug 2017 09:38:23
Thanks Mate! I too have a similar opinion about the player.

{Ed001's Note - he was an inspiration.}

18 Aug 2017 09:40:30
Absolutely great player, with even better hair! Best two footed player I ever seen personally.

18 Aug 2017 09:52:45
Yeah absolutely cracking player! in my opinion one of the best European players to have ever played.

18 Aug 2017 10:22:21
Class player. Watched a ten minute clip on Rivaldo yesterday and I was astounded on how good he was. Makes our Brazilian magician look a little average.

18 Aug 2017 10:34:38
I loved watching Nedved, an absolute joy to watch, closest thing to him currently is Modric. I also loved Zvonimir Boban, great player.

18 Aug 2017 11:00:54
I have loved Nedved since his debut at Euro '96 with the likes of Poborsky, Berger, Beijbl, Nemec and co. Totally Crushed it at Sparta Prague, Lazio and Juve. He is one of the very few players who actually got better as he got older. Brilliant player and even a better man. A true role model.

18 Aug 2017 11:27:31
All professional footballers should be able to use both feet as good as the other . I have friends who can bang in 30 yarders with both feet for fun. In my opinion It should be mandatory to be able to use both feet if you are getting paid to play.

18 Aug 2017 08:32:20
Hey ED01, don't want to pester but are you working on the Liverpool season review now? This is the "big one" the fans have been waiting for!

I also feel Moreno situation mirrors Aspas from a few seasons ago, decent player and attitude when used to there strenghts just doesn't suit the league so end up with the fans unfairly on their back, something the scouts should of perhaps identified?

{Ed001's Note - yes I am and I fully agree on Moreno, wrong league.}

18 Aug 2017 11:03:54
Just like Morientes, Ed.

18 Aug 2017 07:41:47
I see Alderweireld is stalling on a new contract. Too late in the window now for Spurs to consider selling, but I'd be over the moon if we brought him in in January or next summer.

18 Aug 2017 07:52:24
At this stage of his career he wants trophies. We don't look good for that at the moment. He'll go to Real Madrid, Chelsea or City.

18 Aug 2017 08:01:37
He wouldn't move to Liverpool anyways.

18 Aug 2017 08:01:53
Spot on, Dennis. I would love him at LFC as he is a leader and a very good CB and would thrive under any system. However, he like several Spurs players are itching to jump ship right now cos of the Spurs wage structure so don't be surprised if their stars start leaving one by one to get paid elsewhere.

{Ed001's Note - if they could see the club building on last season and showing ambition to win trophies, the wage structure would not be an issue. The problem is that most of them realise that, with Wembley as a 'home' stadium for a season or two, they have missed their best chance to win the league now.}

18 Aug 2017 11:08:17
Thanks for the insight, Ed. The players may be realizing that now cos Wembley for a season or two neutralizes home advantage for them hence, every team goes there with more hope and belief. This will only make it harder for Spurs to play.

18 Aug 2017 06:42:57
Just a thought could the African born player who's agent is looking for a house in the northwest be Seri have him and keita got have the same agent.

18 Aug 2017 07:06:52
Macca has since confirmed it's definitely Keita.

18 Aug 2017 08:03:05
Keita has the same agent as Mane.

18 Aug 2017 08:47:20
I can't see Seri signing for us as he would literally get cold feet.

18 Aug 2017 09:41:08
Seri wouldn't play against stoke city on a rainy cold night!

17 Aug 2017 21:50:06
Ed001, with Howedes rumours doing the rounds i just wanted to ask whether you have seen a lot of him? If so, do you believe he would a good acquisition and improve our defence as a whole?

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen much of him in a couple of years, but my impression of him was never particularly good. Always seemed a very similar player to Klavan to me, decent enough defender until he had to face pace, then he was torn to pieces. No idea how he has improved with experience since then though. He might have learnt to deal with it better.}

18 Aug 2017 06:16:00
Can't understand why we aren't in for Wesley hoedt plays very similar to vvd and sure we could pick him up for around 15 mil. Saints will probably buy him then sell him next year for 14 trillion. I think we must have Greek scouts at the club.

18 Aug 2017 08:50:42
Wesley Hoedt isn't similar to Van Dijk at all, other than they are both Dutch. He is poor in the air and physically isn't that strong.

17 Aug 2017 23:48:50
Hi Eds.
Why sign a left back and then not play him?

{Ed002's Note - Dear Klipperty ...}

18 Aug 2017 00:21:27
I agree with you-- you've got to remember tho we've got that fantastic moreneo at left back.

18 Aug 2017 00:38:47
Playing for us is a lot of pressure, he might be just letting him settle in. If we put him straight in and he makes mistakes it could be damaging as us fans and the press would slaughter him.

18 Aug 2017 01:12:28
matty-- you say about pressure yet klopp is playing a 19yr old at right back i know he's been at the club since he was a kid but klopp will only find out if Robinson can cope with pressure by playing him he can't be any worse than Moreno god help. us if he is.

{Ed001's Note - do people never bother to read the site through before making more pointless whines? Robertson is not up to speed physically. He is simply not ready. As soon as he is, the lad will be in the team.}

18 Aug 2017 05:10:19
What kind of injury is he carrying ed?

{Ed001's Note - I never said he was carrying any injury.}

18 Aug 2017 03:13:42
I read somewhere that he is being left out due to his fitness in regards to our tactic, he mustn't be able to keep up in training.

18 Aug 2017 03:35:55
Lindelof didn't play for United, Morata didn't start for Chelsea, new players need time to bed in even domestic signings.

18 Aug 2017 05:31:12
Klopp has said now multiple times that Robertson is not yet ready and upto speed with regards to how Liverpool play.

18 Aug 2017 06:47:56
AG, thank you for doing some research before posting, I had read the same thing, I just wish the OP had bothered to do likewise!

18 Aug 2017 07:48:12
Think I mentioned before, back in our hayday new players were not automatically put into the team but had to show they were fit and good enough to displace a player.

I do understand we have limited options at left back so I agree with Ed001, as soon as he proves his fitness, heel be eased into the team.

18 Aug 2017 08:12:10
Robo is in the big leagues now with joining a big club and European powerhouse. He is simply not up to speed with the way we play cos you may not have realized this BUT this is not Hull, Dundee Utd or the Scottish national team. This is LFC where the pressure to perform is immense. He needs to be up to speed physically and mentally before he gets his chance, which of course he will so calm down and take a chill pill, people. Sheesh!

18 Aug 2017 08:52:14
To be fair, I don't think the other defenders are up to speed with the way we play given the last two games (TAA exempted) .

18 Aug 2017 15:00:53
But that is bizarre Ed. How can Robertson not be physically up to speed with the EPL if he just played a whole EPL season with Hull?

{Ed001's Note - you do realise he just had a break from training and that Hull had new management, a different training regime and he was being sold so not training with the first team properly?}