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Best team moment: Winning the 2005 Champions league



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06 Jul 2018 11:02:22
Soccer is basically a battle between scoring goals and preventing goals being scored.
So ideally, if an outfield player (forward or midfield) has the right technic and temperament, he should score every time.
But, if the defender and or keeper has the right technic and temperament, they should prevent the goal from being scored every time.
So there has to be human error or lack of concentration or just a plain simply, I player doing a better job at that point.
Sometimes the error or lack of concentration seems worse.
Keepers will make mistakes. Defenders will make mistakes. That's how we end up with goals.
Strikers do make mistakes. That's how we don't end up with games with ridiculous scores at times.
When our players score, we feel they were brilliant. When the other team scores, we feel our defense or Kepler messed up.
My point is, yes Karius messed up in the biggest way at the wrong time. But how many times have the oppositions keeper messed up to allow us to score?

Andy Fields

1.) 06 Jul 2018 11:17:35
Top Goalkeepers win leagues.
They prevent certain goals and rarely give away soft goals.
Karius gives away too many sift goals.
Goals change games.

2.) 06 Jul 2018 11:41:46
Even more evidence of fans outlook being off sometimes was the England match. Some England fans are slating Henderson for missing a penalty and in the same breath praising Pickford for Saving there pen. So our keeper is amazing for saving there penalty but our player is rubbish when there keeper saves a pen?

3.) 06 Jul 2018 11:45:47
Langland, a top keeper may go towards winning the league.

However it is not a guarantee, look at De Gea, arguably the best in the world but didn't take Utd to the title.

What you need from a keeper is someone who minimises mistakes, they will always make one or two just depends on luck if they cost points of not.

IMO Karius went along way To improving our fortunes in defence in the back end of last season, unfortunately he made mistakes in the biggest game of his career, it happens.

Leicester proved it’s a squad game that wins titles, yes a new keeper may help but there is also 10 other positions on the pitch.

I think Ederson is an ok keeper but he rarely gets tested because everyone was petrified of what their outfield can do. Next season we will have a team that will frighten defences.

You are correct though goals win games, and we should score a bucket load!

4.) 06 Jul 2018 11:55:43
With De Gea United got 2nd without him they would be 4th or 5th and with a top keeper we could have been 1st or 2nd instead of 4th.

{Ed002's Note - You need rid of Klopp then - he is making these decisions and costing the club points.}

5.) 06 Jul 2018 12:24:40
The only thing I can't seem to work out is why all of a sudden we realise the prices being asked for these keepers are too much?

The prices floating around (for months) have always been ridiculously high, why now all of a sudden bulk at it?

It's not as if we were going to get Oblak or Alisson for cheap. Maybe the club were waiting for the storm of the Champions League to pass over. I don't know.

6.) 06 Jul 2018 16:41:31
Spot on, WYRed. This idea that "a top GK wins you trophies" is not full proof and never has been and people banging on and on about it will still not make it full proof.

Pepe is regarded at the club as a top GK in his time. How many PL's did we win with him? NADA! In fact had SG not saved his bacon in the 2006 FA Cup, he would have been responsible for us losing that final. Also, Oblak replaced Courtois who won la Liga at Atleti. Have they won the league ye with him in goal? Same with DDG. He is arguably the best in the world YET Utd ain't won the PL since 2013. And like you said, LC has shown that winning the PL is a squad game and had BR not bottled it in 2014, we would have won the PL with the worst defence in the top 5 that season and with the legendary Lev Yashin I mean, Simon Mignolet in goal. Yeah, exactly.

Bottom line is that winning the league or any trophy is a team game where everyone contributes to the cause. It is only in England that I hear this nonsense that a GK wins you x amount of points. IMO, that has NEVER been true. The GK needs to perform just like everyone else, end of story.

7.) 06 Jul 2018 18:28:51
Conceding goals is not always a case of making a mistake. Football is not a science or a mathematic equation. Look at bales 1st goal in Kiev.

No one really made a mistake, Bale just scored a phenomenal goal. Having better players gives you a better chance but nothing is guaranteed. We lost to west brom and Swansea last season. Signing oblak is no guarantee of winning the league but it would increase our chance.

8.) 07 Jul 2018 17:42:34
Brilliant post, Prince. I fully agree. Football is a very nuanced sport where 2+2 almost always equals 5. It is the people who consider 2+2 must always equal 4 in football, that come up with these wild claims and guarantees whereas any one with a functioning brain and capable of using nuance to analyse football, knows that is not how it works.



05 Jun 2018 21:39:41
Read a few posts about our player's going on loan. Would it have been a good idea for our fringe players to have been sent to Southampton on loan? Seeing as we end up buying so many of their players, why not just send our player's there, let them develop and bring them back. We would have saved a lot of money 😂.

Andy Fields

1.) 05 Jun 2018 21:58:44
They won’t take ours mate 😂😂.



15 May 2018 06:36:35
Where is everyone get a figure on the fee for Butland?
And what makes some feel he won't come unless he's 1st choice? he's not a premier league player anymore!
If man city or Chelsea bid for a player, they don't guarentee starting 11, we even lost our best players to sides that have not guaranteed starting 11 for those players.

Andy Fields

1.) 15 May 2018 08:28:29
When Man City signed Ederson for a reasonable fee he went straight into the first team, same with De Gea, same with Lloris, same with Cech at Arsenal. If (big IF) Liverpool fork out the money some people are talking about (circa £25/ £30 million) then they would be daft to put him on the bench. Im not saying he is good enough or not, i leave that to the "experts" on this site but it just makes logical sense to me that he will be in the first 11. Remember Liverpool could potentially smash their record for a goalkeeper. To put him on the bench? don't think so myself.

2.) 15 May 2018 08:57:32
Isn’t that the point. To have two keepers fighting for first place surly that brings the best out of a player.

3.) 15 May 2018 09:52:56
I think butland is a cracking signing if it comes off . Not only does it challenge karius the step up and challenge of a bigger club could possibly get butland back to his best. Other than ederson kicking accuracy I don't really rate him . Out of karius and potential butland we could have two keepers far better.

4.) 15 May 2018 10:42:29
I think they're just talking points. I think it's a good signing if true. I'm happy with Karius and would like to see someone come in to compete with him, so don't want a numpty coming in.

5.) 15 May 2018 12:59:43
I think if Klopp gets his arm round Butlands shoulder and gives him the boost he needs we will have a keeper with the ability to get us challenging for everything, Id make Sessegnon a priority, even it means loaning him back to Fulham for a year or 2, he is going to be something else that lad, would like a bid for Maguire too, think he is under rated and could be a good partner alongside Van Dijk.

6.) 15 May 2018 18:04:24
A players price tag doesn’t guarantee a spot in the first team, he could cost us £200m but he will still be Butland and back up to Karius.

7.) 15 May 2018 18:40:01
Karius' performances have convinced Klopp from trying to get Allisson or Navas hence by that logic, Karius beat out Allisson for the starting job. Klopp has decided that Karius is his no. 1 and that has never changed cos well, he signed him. Butland if he comes, will not be usurping Karius regardless cos Karius beat Allisson, Navas and Migs (not a high bar, I know) to get the job so he'd better get used to Cup games for next season.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid your guessing mate..

8.) 15 May 2018 19:44:52
W/ O accurate info to fall back on, that's all I got, Ed25.

{Ed025's Note - sounds fair to me mate..



12 Apr 2018 07:47:15
Not sure if this was discussed before, but just want to know others thoughts on why wasn't the City keeper sent off for pushing Mane so many times?
Think he pushed him with 2 hands about 4 or 5 times.

Andy Fields

{Ed0333's Note - because the referee lost control of the situation and bottled it.

1.) 12 Apr 2018 08:52:56
Props to Mane for not reacting at all and just standing there, as Ed said the Ref bottled it.

2.) 12 Apr 2018 09:08:06
In fairness Mane was the only thing Ederson managed to get his hands on over two legs.

3.) 12 Apr 2018 09:13:05
I THINK, it was Ed1 who said yesterday even if it'd of been one push, it's enough to be a red because it's violent conduct. How he got away with it is beyond me, but we was the lucky ones wasn't we? lol City was lucky not to be down to 8-9 men. I agree with Ed333, the ref did bottle it and it's not good enough. We won so I'm happy, even with decisions against us we showed them who's the boss. Boom.

Agreed on Mane, he really handled it well, he could've responded and done the same thing but guaranteed if that'd of happened we'd of seen Mane get a red and Ederson get a slap on the wrist.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, it was me. By the criteria of the laws of the game, it would count as violent conduct. Though no one would have argued with a yellow for one push, despite that, it is the fact that he continued to do so that makes it a blatant red.}

4.) 12 Apr 2018 09:30:26
In that moment I would have been disappointed if the ref gave Ederson a red there. I actually liked how the ref managed the game. he let lots of things go, but was relatively consistent to both teams.

5.) 12 Apr 2018 09:39:05
I'm actually glad he didn't get sent off. When city beat us at the start of the season I thought they were the better team and we hid behind the fact Mane was sent off as the only reason we lost. We beat City on tue night with 11 men v 11 and if he had been sent off the City fans and Liverpool haters would have solely put the reason on us qualifying down to the red card.

6.) 12 Apr 2018 09:28:44
Agreed Ed1, I had a moment of excitement, automatically assuming he'd be sent off with my son saying ' RED!, It has to be! ' and to see him not get the red disappointed me to say the least, you just don't expect to see such behaviour on a football pitch without consequences, yet it's ok for him to get away with it? I don't get that. If it'd of been Karius doing that to Sterling etc I think it'd of been a red immediately without question.

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}

7.) 12 Apr 2018 11:03:45
Mane has been outstanding the last few games - even if not scoring every goal, his work rate, creativity, desire and control has been instrumental to our performances of late.

8.) 12 Apr 2018 11:19:27
Am I right in assuming as this was dealt with in the match that no retrospective action can be taken on it?



23 Jan 2018 09:29:53
We beat the top side and the next week lose to the bottom side. Would we have beaten City if they parked the bus for 90 minutes?

Andy Fields

1.) 23 Jan 2018 09:40:30
Who knows? Maybe if we got lucky and defended well.

2.) 23 Jan 2018 10:22:39
Don't think City could park the bus. Like ourselves. What's the story with the captains armband? It's like a game of pass the parcel. F@£k knows who's going to captain against West brom. Maybe I'm just making a fuss because of last nights shambles.

3.) 23 Jan 2018 10:32:04
The most capped player outside hendo and Milner wear the armband. It's not hard to get. However, it should of bypassed can to the next capped player.

4.) 23 Jan 2018 13:43:06
Teams are free to play the way they like so it is a non issue to to say that big teams play to our strengths. They do not play in one way or another to do us a favor as that is laughable. They play the way they play cos they are confident that it is the only way they can win IF they wanna win. It will STILL be up to us to actually PLAY the game w/ commitment, desire, skill and intelligence to get the win. NOTHING is given to you in the arena of sport. You have to earn it.

It was up to us to figure it out last night. We did not even tho, we have won more games vs low block teams than we did last season. All teams have off days so what matters to me is the reaction in the next game. We must do better esp. perf. wise cos like it or not, it all starts from there.




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08 Jun 2016 14:12:58
If he was just at the game because he was on holiday, then why leave before the game ended? Wasn't he the one that asked people to stay for the full games?

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27 Jun 2018 07:11:43
Not say I g I agree that Coutinho is better than Fekir, but I think Fekir would be a better play for us/ the team at the moment. Coutinho was becoming, if not already world class which meant everything went through him in terms of play. And that held is back in fluidity at times. Fekir is good, but will be new to the team and not the teams superstar, so he can't and should not try to be the "main man's which will allow us to play as a team in attack, and that is our strength.
So for Liverpool currently, Fekir is the better player.

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08 Jun 2018 18:45:30
So you don't want something that would be good for the club to happen, just so in your eyes the ITK will look stupid? Are you even a fan?

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05 Jun 2018 21:30:08
Well we have to worry about other teams players, as we do play other teams.

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26 May 2018 18:10:07
Dont wear the top! We need all the luck we can.
I made myself a deal that I would buy a genuine top when Liverpool wins the league. Im still waiting to buy it.

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18 Apr 2018 06:31:44
I'd have Sane Kane Mane as my front 3, just to cause confusion with pronunciation 😂😂. I'd bet Kane gets pronounced wrong at least once.

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