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25 Mar 2013 15:19:48
How the FSG did Norwich get Van Wolfswinkel?

Thought there would be a lot more 'high profile' clubs (no offence Norwich fans) looking to take the lad. {Ed002's Note - It was rather a surprise, but they offered a favourable deal to Sporting who needed cash in hand as a matter of urgency.}


1.) He'll be a flop. Sorry Norwich fans.

2.) Just a note on my post, I put FSG not FSG, Eds must have edited it. I am in no way slagging off FSG or questioning why we haven't signed RVW. {Ed002's Note - Nobody edited it - it might have come up against a filter of some type.}

3.) Norwich are trying for manuel fernandes and hooper and spurs going for doumbia. ed any of these players interest Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool's focus has to be on defence - and and these players are not ones Liverpool are looking to as far as we know.}

4.) A shrewd bit of business from Norwich i'd say.

5.) Come on people. Why is it that any time another club signs a striker or attacking player, people come on here saying we lost out.

Have you guys ever watched him play? He has not heart, no commitment. My best mate is a Sporting supporter and I've watched most of their games the past 2 seasons. RVW is ok and nothing more. I don't even think he's good enough for any team in the premiership. He's a championship player.




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1.) 17 Feb 2017 10:21:05
Thanks very much!



23 Oct 2015 10:25:25
Anyone know why we always float corners in (when we aren't wasting them playing them short)?
2 years ago we scored a lot of goals from corners when we were whipping them in, then we lose Suarez and completely stop putting the ball in with any pace. It's really frustrating watching us take corners.


1.) 23 Oct 2015 11:14:26
our dead ball players aren't as good as stevie and Luis.
Coutinho is really struggling to beat the man at the near post and needs removing from corner duty immediately.
Milner just ins't as good at dead balls and can't get the real whip necessary to make it hard for keepers and giver the person ehading the ball extra power.
I won't worry about corners too much, we shouldn't be relying on them too heavily for goals. Which for me should come from open play. I'd rather us not conceded possession so easily from them though, if that means going short instead of giving it to the opposition keeper, or letting the front post clear, so beit.

2.) 23 Oct 2015 11:14:54
i was at the match last night and i mentioned this before, milner couldn't put a decent ball in all night and lallana but one in and moreno took over and put decent balls in. It was shocking if i'm honest. we missed hendo taking the corners last night and personally i don't think they take enough of a run up to get the power behind the ball.

3.) 23 Oct 2015 18:12:18
Goes to show what these players work or don`t work on in training because it was Sunday league quality the way we delivered dead balls into the box last night.

4.) 23 Oct 2015 19:39:04
Ive been wondering the same thing, best thing to do is whip one in with pace, just takes a little flick then rather than trying to produce all the power yourself and keep it on target! In addition Milners long balls are non existent.

5.) 24 Oct 2015 05:18:13
Milner at city was great at dead ball situations in the wide areas ( free kicks/corners ) but now he can't beat the first man or it's too deep. Rodgers can't of put much emphasis on this as defending and attacking these situations has been woeful. Has anyone noticed players starting positions attacking corners? Everyone seems to be on the edge of the six yard box which means the ball has to be perfect and the attacking player is basically trying to win the ball from a standing jump. If we left a few players on the edge of the box they could get a run on there marker and attack the ball. On Thursday I noticed players were starting a bit deeper from corners early on but habit got the better of them as the game wore on and they reverted to standing in the six yard box again. Klopps hardest job is going to be drilling the bad habits the lads have picked up over the years until his ideas become second nature. I think people are going to have to be patient cause Klopps got a lot of work to do befor this side perform the way he wants. Good news is 2 games in and the positives are clearly visible.



22 Oct 2015 10:30:07
Can't wait for the match tonight, haven't felt this excited about going to Anfield for a while. Let make Anfield bounce and show Jurgen we're the best fans in the world!


1.) 22 Oct 2015 14:27:28
Build up has started for me too. Can't wait!

2.) 22 Oct 2015 15:44:18
I think I'm looking forward to it more than my first European match vs MyPa back in 96!



03 Aug 2015 10:17:41
Just a quick question for everyone. If ,(I know it's a big if), we do manage to have a good season, let's say finishing top 4 and a cup win, what would the general consensus be:

1. Rodgers is a good manager who has now proven that our 2nd place finish was no fluke and that it was his ability as a manager and not just because we had Suarez.


2. Rodgers is still not good enough for the club and the reason we have done well is because x or y players have been brilliant or the new coaching staff have made the difference?


{Ed001's Note - what about 3. It is a combination of x and y players playing well, the new coaching staff have made a difference and Rodgers is proving that finishing 2nd was no fluke?

Though I will wait until I see how it pans out before I give an opinion on that, as it will depend on what happens.}

1.) 03 Aug 2015 11:51:29
For me it's not just about finishing in the champions league it's a culmination of many factors that wants BR gone.

If we finish 4th and win a cup,it still won't be good enough.

We've spent vast sums of money on a team that given the spending in BR's own words should be challenging for the title. (regarding his mocking of spurs)

We've sold Kelly and loaned wisdom again and paid for a player that just wasn't necessary,as we did with Markovic. Our youth just aren't even getting a chance in my eyes,we're spunking 20 million+ on players instead of them,then not playing either.

The constant pissing off of a great many players. even though I think some may be petulant (Reina)but a stream of players have spoken out against BR or retracted statements they used to make at the club.

I don't see sneeking 4th as any sort of progression. usually 4th place is still some 20 or so points off 1st place and I know cups are good,but I couldn't really care for a league cup,where most teams don't even try till their reserves get them to the quarters/semi fainals.

Finally,the brand of football. I will wait until the season begins to see how our ifirst team sets out and plays,especially with no SG or GJ. but if we play the same sorry football will did last year with the defense still frail,playing skrtel, and any form of 5 at the back with wingbacks,I'll be pissed!! I want to see good attacking football,not a way of stemming the flood of goals we concede,without being creative up top

2.) 03 Aug 2015 12:44:07
The thing is scarface it shouldn't be a big if with the money Rodgers has had available.

The season we finished second was down to certain players because tactically we still looked a shambles at times.

Last season Rodgers was shown to be clueless he wasted millions on transfers and kept playing players out of position constantly.

This summer we have bought a lot better but can Rodgers get it to work we will see.

The money he has had and the squad he has available to him should get top 4.

Bobatron spot on with most you've said except I think Rodgers played with the wingbacks to be more attacking.

3.) 03 Aug 2015 12:58:25
Ask again if it actually does happen. During the 3 seasons Brendan has proved that he does not learn quick enough, and in some cases does not learn at all. This is his last chance to prove that he is the man for us. He's proved he can get results but we are never convincing. When we were blitzing teams, we always looked awful defensively. Last year we were plain awful but some of our quality players bailed us out, we just seemed to be hoping for a rabbit out of a hat. What I wanna see this year is actual strategy in our game; organized defending and purposeful attacks. For me that is more important than our end position (well that would be so if we didn't NEED the financial benefits of CL). It would show progression and show that maybe Brendan is learning and becoming a good manager. What I see happening however is a top 4 finish and a trophy, but we still will be suspect defensively and a little bit reliant on magic moments from our quality players, this would keep Brendan his job but ultimately the future would still be up in the air. Honestly I do believe Brendan could even get us a title this way, but we would never be a true top team winning machine like Barcelona, which should be our aspiration. Everything aside I am a simple fan and I don't like to think this deeply, I love watching football and I just want to see Liverpool win trophies. Thanks

4.) 03 Aug 2015 13:22:28
So to go a step further, what if we win the league this season?
What then?

5.) 03 Aug 2015 13:33:47
Come next week I will support him 100 percent but Captain Colgate is nothing to me any more.

The only glimmer of hope I have is that many players say he is very very impressive one on one.

But that only works with his favorites.

In groups and out groups. It's a real and documented way of managing people so it's not as if he's just doing things "wrong".

But it's a style that doesn't appeal to me at all. My views is that it leads to blinkered selection. Even that would be fine if the in group were the best players. But they aren't.

Just my view. As I say, come Saturday I will be the man's second biggest fan (after that piece he went orange and got the teeth for).

6.) 03 Aug 2015 13:39:35
Fair enough lavers. My personal stance was that 3 centreback as well as wingback detracts from having an extra striker or central midfielder and is therefore defensive,But can see why other would think wingbacks pushing further up is good. For me it was defensive. Either way,it's not a formation I like.

7.) 03 Aug 2015 13:48:21

This is the exact kind of post that infuriates me. 'If we finish 4th and win a cup,it still won't be good enough.' What is good enough? Coming third? Coming 2nd? Winning the title? To win the title we'd have to come higher than three teams that have spent far more money than we have so stop chucking how much we've spent around. I don't care what Rodgers said, did you want him to come in and say 'if we're lucky we'll get 4th'? Our manager should be ambitious. Maybe he hasn't met that ambition yet but he's come closer than any manager we've had since Dalglish. And don't respond he only managed that because we had Suarez, every great team has great players in it, no manager can do anything without them. Rodger's took a group of players who finished 7th in 12/13 and achieved 2nd in 13/14, he did this by adding Mignolet of all people!

'We've sold Kelly and loaned wisdom again and paid for a player that just wasn't necessary'. Just for a second try ignoring your bias, neither of those players are as good as Clyne and neither will be. Kelly's found his level at Crystal Palace, Wisdom got dropped by WBA last season. Clyne is an England International and we should be chuffed that we got him in.

The only thing that will make you happy is Rodgers being sacked and from this point on it doesn't actually matter how good or bad we are because you've already made up your mind, if we're bad you get to say I told you so, if we're good it's because of some reason separate to Rodgers.

I wanted Rodgers to stay and it happened and I'm happy. But if this season isn't an improvement over last then I'll change my mind and support calls to sack him. I wonder if you'll have the character to change your view on Rodgers if he shows you're wrong.

{Ed001's Note - Kelly is an England international too, who was one of Palace's best players last season, why is Clyne better? This is the kind of post that really annoys me, with the idiotic crap about Wisdom being dropped by the anti-football Pulis, who dropped him because of two reasons, neither of which would stop him playing for us. As he was dropped for being a loan player and for being too short. Just because Clyne has signed for us, does not mean he is suddenly wonderful and better than the alternatives.}

8.) 03 Aug 2015 13:57:46
He wont,what if we win the quadruple? If we're going to dream up scenarios might as well make them reasonable

9.) 03 Aug 2015 13:53:51
Ron that is a very toxic post, and there's absolutely no place for that on here, this is a banter site.

10.) 03 Aug 2015 14:16:54
Oranges and Lemons Ed1, Kelly is an 87th minute 1-cap wonder. Clyne is already well ahead of Kelly. And maybe Wisdom was treated badly by West Brom but even then his performances haven't demanded a chance in the Liverpool first team. Look at Gomez, he was brought in as a player with potential but he's forced himself into the reckoning with his exploits on the pitch, if Wisdom could say the same I'd back down but he can't.

11.) 03 Aug 2015 14:22:59

I don't see how bobatrons post can infuriate you.

I think what he's put is pretty spot on and Rodgers has probably had more money to spend than most other managers in the league.

Rodgers shown last season that he is out of his depth how many players out of position.

When he played sterling up front surely lambert could have had a go.

Buying markovic for 20mil and loaning ibe out pointless.

Its not a case of wanting Rodgers sacked i'm sure everyone would rather he succeeds and we win the league, but of the evidence we've seen I doubt it.

12.) 03 Aug 2015 14:25:55
Ed001 said everything I would have comeback with muscat.

I want BR gone,because of all the things I listed. Athletico in la liga have proved to me you don't need to spend ridiculous amounts to win,same with dortmund.

The players we've often bought/loaned just haven't been of improved quality from what we had. Aspas,Balotelli,Manquillo,Clyne,Markovic,Lovren. etc etc. we have wasted money in the market.

I wouldn't agree he was the most successful/come closer since Dalglish either. he hasn't won a thing in 3 years,rafa got us to 2nd too as well as winning a champs league and FA cup.

Sorry but BR has to win the league for me. or it's 4 years of no progression,pissing off other teams as ed002 alludes to,pissing off players,etc etc.

BR doesn't cut it and he won't this season either

13.) 03 Aug 2015 15:31:15
Lavers, it's the 'Rodgers is useless and nothing will convince me otherwise' attitude. You should want to be wrong about Rodgers not revel in his supposed mediocrity.

The statement 'I don't think Rodgers is good enough and wish we had a new manager this season' is fine with me. The statement 'Rodgers is S*it and even if Liverpool does well he's S*it' is not. Over the last week I think we've been getting far to much of the latter.

14.) 03 Aug 2015 16:02:19
It just seems you want people to post their hypothetical situations of what they'd deem a success for BR. If he wants to stay I'd fully expect a good league run,good football,and Europa league and FA cup. will that do you Muscat? Or is that now unreasonable?

15.) 03 Aug 2015 16:04:28

If Rodgers has a good season then that is fine with me, i'm one who wanted Rodgers gone.

The thing managers have to do is follow a good season up with another good season to show they are doing there job.

If Rodgers can do that then I think he has shown himself worthy of the job.

With Rodgers having such a poor season last year its easy to point to players for his previous success

16.) 03 Aug 2015 16:18:32
Waro, the Eds decide what is suitable for banter an what isn't.
It's their site, their decision and I respect that.

17.) 03 Aug 2015 16:21:23
Lavers, that is a position I can respect.

18.) 03 Aug 2015 16:38:24
Ron, I think Waro thinks you and I are the same person.

19.) 03 Aug 2015 17:56:30
Muscat the problem is that evidence over the last 3 years have shown he is not up to the job. Its all well and good sitting behind our computers, ipads and phones rubbing our lucky coins in the hope that he will suddenly transform into a world class manager. Btw i am in the camp of i will back him and hope he gets a clue about management and i am not wishing him to fail either. But i can also understand the viewpoints of the pessimists who do not have any faith in him based on evidence so far.

20.) 03 Aug 2015 18:18:55
Ron, I used you to have a pop at SpudRed, it was an attempt a sarcasm! While were on the subject, I see you responded to that post but not my original one this morning, strange that, but just as I predicted.

21.) 03 Aug 2015 19:19:45
Bobatron, atletico have the pulling power of being based in Madrid as well as a much more successful youth system.

22.) 03 Aug 2015 19:52:20
Not sure what you are on about Waro but you sound a bit paranoid to me.
Anyway, I just pass through the site at odd times during the day. I don't have long so I just catch a few threads. Sorry if I have missed something important to you.



03 Jul 2015 12:19:18
With the signing of yet another promising foreign youngster in Bobby Adekanye, it made me think, why hasn't any of the foreign youngster we've signed over the last 15 years made it? Are our foreign scouts just poor at finding the right players, are the people making the decision to sign the recommended players poor at judging these players, or are we just poor at developing these talents. I'm leaning more towards the scouts because we seem to be fairly good at developing the British talent. The list of foreign talents we've signed for the academy that we all get excited about only for them to be released 3-4 years later is staggering and surely someone at the club at some point has to take a step backwards and say, what the hell are we doing wrong?


{Ed001's Note - it is the development, they are not getting the support they need. It is impossible to compare it with how British talent gets on as they are not moving to a completely new culture.}

1.) 03 Jul 2015 12:53:50
Yea ok fair comment about comparing them to British talent, I can fully appreciate that moving to a new country, with different culture, weather, food, etc, etc is very difficult. So every coach we've had over the last 15 or so years (or since Wenger set the trend of buying young foreign talents and developing them) has been useless at this? What are we doing so wrong that Wenger and his coaches do so right? Given our poor record of developing these foreign talents is it really worth us bothering, should we just concentrate on British talent?

2.) 03 Jul 2015 13:46:06
I can't think of too many young talents arsenal have done that with in 15 years? Fabregas? Szcheney? Persie maybe? Given wenger had loads of connections in France when he came on board he was well positioned to poach there's not a vast amount. Most of big success were bought.

3.) 03 Jul 2015 14:31:39
I think you are doing Mr Wenger and his coaches a massive disservice in stating that he has only developed Fabregas, Szcezny and Van Persie. How about Vieira, Anelka, Clichy, Denilson, Diaby Bendtner, Flamini, Fabianski and currently Coquelin, Bellerin and Gnabry. Now ok not all of them have been amazing or world beaters (injuries and poor attitudes have played their part with some) but that is vastly better than us!
We had a French manager who had better connections to the French youth than Wenger, remember Gerard Houllier, he worked with the France National squad at virtually every level and played a major role in setting up the Clairefontaine academy which was rather successful.

4.) 03 Jul 2015 14:36:11
Scratch that persie definitely wasn't!

5.) 03 Jul 2015 14:57:35
Scarface nearly every player you named were bought at a decent age 18 +. Most of them had already been developed to a high level elsewhere. They had already made first team appearances for their prior clubs.Fabregas is the only 'youngster' that I can think of which was actually developed from a young age. The likes of coutihno was bought at the same age as Viera so why not give us credit for him then??

6.) 03 Jul 2015 14:59:15
And are you joking about Bender? Lol most clubs he played for will claim they had never heard of him rather than hold there heads in shame for having him!

7.) 03 Jul 2015 15:11:04
If I were advising any youngster about joining the academy, I'd strongly advice them not to join Liverpool. The club is so cluelessly managed, it is unbelievable that at such a level of football it is allowed to happen. Instances like not following up youngster's development and not looking for suitable clubs to send them on loan are really curious at such a level. Fitness also seems to be an issue given the number of serious injuries at the academy. Add to that the fact that the manager does not seem to have a clue about giving youngsters a chance as part of their development.

8.) 03 Jul 2015 15:23:59
I don't think Bendtner is a good player, but hey, the man is a professional football player and has played for Arsenal, Wolfsburg, Juventus, Sunderland, Birmingham and the Denmark national team, so he must be doing something right? A much better career than some of the talent we have signed and over the years that were supposed to be the next blah blah blah and the future of our club!

The point I am trying to make is that our record of signing and developing young foreign talent (15-20) years old is very poor, and I can't help but wonder if that volume of money and time would have been better spent developing British talent.

9.) 03 Jul 2015 15:27:49
I agree to a point Kawabanga. I was just stating that you can't compare what wenger did in buying 20 year old first team players with developing a 15 year old.

10.) 03 Jul 2015 17:02:22
He did not develop Vieira in any way. Vieira was already a beast as a teenager at AS Cannes, the same academy that gave us Zizou and one of the best academies in France at the time. He signed at AC Milan for big money but couldn't get a game so Wenger brought him over and gave him his chance. That's all.

11.) 03 Jul 2015 17:57:31
Absolute nonsense Redohio, yes Vieira was a very talented youngster at Cannes hence why AC Milan signed him, but he was very raw and far from the finished article he ended up as. There has never been a finished article at 20 years old, and there never will be, you are still learning and developing at that age and to suggest that Wenger and his coaching staff played no part in developing him into the immense player he became is farcical!

12.) 03 Jul 2015 20:25:55
Wrong again, genius! He was already a very good player way beyond his years. All he couldn't do was get a game at Milan because of the big stars ahead of him in a pretty poor team at the time. His talent was never in doubt. All he needed was a chance and a run of games which he got with Wenger, just as Studge who was already a very good player, needed games and a coach's confidence to flourish which he has gotten with BR. So is BR responsible for Studge's development the? NO! So Wenger cannot be given credit for that, either. Get it? Good! I respect your opinion and I agree to disagree.

13.) 03 Jul 2015 21:18:29
Dear God redohio you don't half spout some nonsense! So everyone knew Vieira was one of the best midfielders in waiting and that all he needed was first team football. Total nonsense yet again GENIUS! So he'd have become one of the best midfielders in the world if he'd moved to let's say Blackpool under Sam Allardyce in 1996! No of course he wouldn't, he developed into one of the best midfielders in world football because yes he had natural ability and was built like a proverbial, but it took Arsene Wenger and his coaching staff to mould him and harness all the raw potential he had. To say anything else is pathetic!
If everyone knew Vieira was going to become one of the best midfielders in the world regardless of coaching then please explain to me why AC Milan let him go for just £3.5m and why it was only Arsenal and Ajax that were interested in him?
Comparing developing a 20 year old Vieira with only 51 first team games under his belt to a 23 year old Sturridge with 96 first team games under his belt (in the Prem) is absolutely stupid and pointless! Though I'm sure if you asked Sturridge he'd probably say that Rodgers has helped his development, if anything in that he's shown faith in him when others haven't!

14.) 03 Jul 2015 21:39:43
Also just realised you called AC Milan's 1995/96 team pretty poor! Oh dear you really are clueless! AC had a midfield of Albertini, Savicevic, Donadoni, Lentini, Locatelli, Ambrosini and Zvonomir Boban! Not to mention Rossi in goal, Panucci at RB, Maldini at LB, Desailly and Baresi at CB and Weah and Baggio up front!
P.S. They won the Serie A that year too, not bad for a pretty poor team!




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27 Mar 2017 12:22:13
Can't agree with you there Ron, Brandt is miles ahead of Ojo and Wilson in his development and will (if he signs) be competing for the LW/ F position with Coutinho (if he's still with us) or will be straight in if Coutinho leaves. Ojo and Wilson are in desperate need of a good, competitive loan where they can play week in week out in a tough League that will get them ready to challenge for the L/ RW/ F positions in the 18/ 19 season.

Personally think he would be a great signing (with or without Coutinho) .




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Absolutely no chance of a clean slate for Reina. If you were Rodgers would you give him a second chance after he openly praised a former manager and said he was better than you? Reina has brought this all upon himself by thinking Barca were going to come in for him, he has completely burned any chances of playing for us ever again, unless Mignolet and Jones get injured at the same time and Rodgers is forced into playing him.




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It would appear my prayers have finally been granted! I really am not one for slagging off Liverpool players but I really can't stand Glen Johnson! I have been saying for the best part of 3 years that he isn't good enough and it would appear (if this is true) that BR thinks the same.
I used to really like him, we all accepted that he wasn't great at defending but he was brilliant at attacking. But over the last two / two and a half years even that side of his game has deserted him. He has become lazy at defending and lazy in possession, how many times do you see him just aimlessly cross the ball into the box or play a panicked pass straight to the opposition, jog back if we've lost possession rather than bust a gut or sluggishly attempt to close down a cross.
A lot of criticism has been aimed at Skrtel over the years (even last year despite having a brilliant season) and now Agger, but I really do believe they are good enough and that having a RB and LB with better attitudes and work-rates and concentration levels than Johnson and Enrique will greatly improve our solidarity at the back. I like the looks of a back four of Flanno, Skrtel, Agger, Moreno.




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I would be distraught if we signed Remy! Nothing to do with his ability, it is more to do with his attitude. Given the fact he refused to play for Newcastle against us in the last game of the season because he didn't want to risk getting injured before the World Cup! That is a horrible attitude to have and not one I'd like to think BR would welcome, accept or tolerate at the club.





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27 Apr 2017 10:55:34
Seen a few people mention Gibson, and I have to admit I have been very impressed with him for Boro this season, my only reservation would be whether he could handle the pressure of playing for us, it's one thing being the big, vocal, commanding presence at Boro, but doing it at Liverpool is a tottaly different thing as we've seen from many players we've signed from smaller clubs over the years.




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27 Apr 2017 10:51:38
In terms of the person then its Diouf hands down, an absolutely disgusting man in every sense of the word who should never have been signed, in terms of ability then it has to be Jovanovic, never seen anyone play for us who looked that incapable of playing football.




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24 Apr 2017 14:50:36
Ron, pretty much all the pictures you see from Melwood of Karius training he is catching high balls with coaches bumping/ buffering him with pads to get him more used to the physicality of the Prem and dealing with high balls. Not sure what more they can do to help him deal with that than train him up to deal with it better?




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24 Apr 2017 10:25:39
3rd goal for Swansea at Anfield, their passing was fast and precise and tore us apart.




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20 Apr 2017 16:31:14
Origi and Rashford are two different types of attacker, Rashford is really reliant on his pace and reminds me a lot of Welbeck, I appreciate he is still very young, but the lad does tend to need 3-4 chances to score, give Origi those chances and I'm confident Origi would double Rashford's conversion rate.

Personally think Origi is a huge talent who is going to get better and better, the question is whether that will be with us. I firmly believe that if Origi played for someone like Swansea/ Southampton where he would play week in week out and their game built around getting service to him, he'd be right up there with Lukaku and Kane for the top scorer in the League.

I think Origi has a big decision coming for his future, I don't believe he will ever push Firmino out of the central role of the front 3 so does he stay and be a sub/ cover or does he leave and become a regular for someone else?