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26 Jun 2017 08:43:42
Obviously Klopp wants Ox as an alternative to Keita. Keita for me is a Kanté with skills and better passing. Klopp also likes developing players to play new positions.

Could Klopp see a future Kanté-like player in Ox? Athletic skills, pace, good workrate and pressing he already got. Needs to develop a better sense of defensive positioning for sure, and improve on his tackling.

Just trying to make sense of it.

Andy Thorne

1.) 26 Jun 2017 09:19:22
The thing that Kante and Keita both have, is that they're intelligent on and off the ball. You either have that or you don't. You can't coach it. Oxlade doesn't have that intelligence, it's about decision making at the right time, which is something he lacks massively and why he'll never be a top class centre midfielder, he'll always be a very basic winger with a Steven Gerrard fantasy.


2.) 26 Jun 2017 09:24:16
I agree mate. I think he is an absolute steal at £25-30m.

A 23 year old, key player from a rival club who counts towards the home grown quota was never going to be cheap. Why should he be? Off the back of a season where he made 45 appearances, scored 6 and assisted 11 goals. His work rate, pace and power make him ideal for Klopps tactics as well. Arsenal have invested 6 years into his development and the second he comes good, becomes a regular and gets over his injuries, we are poaching him. You have to compensate teams fairly. We would be getting a player with about 12 years left of his career who has already played in the Champions league and the Premier league for a top level side.

Let's be frank here, Coutinho will leave one day. Maybe not this summer, maybe not even next summer, but he will. Henderson could never be the same again. Can still hasn't signed a new deal. Lallana and Milner are getting on a bit. Grujic is up in the air.

Essentially the only midfielder we have almost guaranteed to be fit and still at the club for the next 3 years is Wijnaldum. Chamberlain is openly a Steven Gerrard fan which basically means he is a Liverpool fan, and would look to spend the rest of his career here. We could get all the best years of his career for £25m and people are moaning? I can appreciate people who are concerned about his positional awareness, but the injury stuff is wearing thin. He played 8 more games last season than Clyne who was out most regular player!


3.) 26 Jun 2017 09:29:57
Arsenal plays the best pass and move football in the league and this is exactly the reason Ox never gets a start! He can't pass to play in the middle. He doesn't have the vision and intellegence to pick someone's movement up top. If you are obsessed with his physique and hard core running then Yes he is right up there alongside Sissokho.

In simple terms, We don't need another Ball winner. We need class on the ball!

Please post this Ed's.


4.) 26 Jun 2017 09:30:45
Well i don't know why everyone keeps saying that yo can't learn intelligence. Decision making comes with Experience the more you learn the better you can addapt to certain situations. It is possible to train how to play in certain situations and how to develop into an intelligent playing CM.


5.) 26 Jun 2017 10:01:00
Chamberlain started 27 games last season. More lies.


6.) 26 Jun 2017 10:23:31
All my Arsenal friends say they would be gutted if he left and believe he would get into our first 11 I'm not sure I agree with that but they love him there. I think for 20-25m he's a good buy covering 4-5 positions. Can't understand the hate tbh he has talent, he's hardworking, he's homegrown, he has experience, the fee isn't much in today's terms and he can play in several positions in a season where we hope to have many more games.

{Ed025's Note - but where would he fit in willis?, hes not getting in before salah or mane and possibly lallana, squad player for me mate and i think money would be better spent on the defence or a goal scorer as i think the middle of the park is sorted..


7.) 26 Jun 2017 10:50:00
As I said I'm not sure I agree with him getting in the first 11 right now but he'd be a great impact sub, cover for the injuries that we always pick up and experienced head for cups and Europe. If we're trying to sell markovic for 20m and we buy ox for 25 that is good business imo. He has talent and room for improvement.


8.) 26 Jun 2017 11:31:09
Mk ox started 22 games last season he also came on as a sub 23 times scored 6 goals 3 of which we're in the league cup out of them 45 games he played cm once and dm 3 times in total he's played 160 games which he started 86 times scoring 13 goals and in 18 assists which doesn't include fa cup or league cup so could be slightly more I know you like your facts so do you go my point being he's only played a position he's meant to be signed for 4 times and the other positions he is meant to be covering he has hardly excelled.


9.) 26 Jun 2017 11:35:35
did someone say he can't pass? yet he has double-figure assists. did those assists bounce off his arse into a teammate's knee and into the goal.11 times.!? lol anywho, he is definitely a squad who could be good enough to push for a starting place. he ain't some young buck to chuck on the bench and hope that he can do something when thrown to the lions, he ain't Ojo or Wilson. It would be a worthy purchase. I don't care about the price as the eds have told us time and again not to worry about it, so not worry about it I shall!


10.) 26 Jun 2017 13:01:23
All I'm saying is that Ox is seen as an alternative to Keita. Keita is an energetic, athletic midfielder who breaks up play, gets past opponents and put teammates into play. Ox has the energy, is athletic, canpass get past an opponent. He's not that good att breaking up play, getting in proper defensive positions. If he is an alternative to Keita Klopp must be confident about teaching just that.


11.) 26 Jun 2017 13:10:51
It was definitely 27 mate. 16 in the league, 4 in the CL, 5 in the FA cup, 2 in the EFL cup. My maths isn't that bad!

Also where are you getting these position he played stats from?

He played in midfield over 30 times last season either centrally or in a slightly wider position. Nobody here is suggesting he will play in the central role from deep. He will be playing right or left of a 3 like Lallana and Wijnaldum do.

I don't like stats. I think if you break them down then they can be analysed and used to support an argument, but they shouldn't be the base to an argument. I had to try and tear apart the "we score loads under Klopp" myth the other day because people are bandying it about as a valid stat, without any context or analysis.

So what if he made 18 appearances as a sub? Fact is, he was available to play for all but 3 league games last year. Whether he was picked to start or on the bench is irrelevant. That is Wengers decision, and out of Chamberlains control.

I don't know why people are getting upset just because their sweeping statements and generalisations are being torn up by anybody who can be bothered to look into into. As faith said, 11 assists is not a player who lacks vision. You can fluke a few, but not many players get double figures.

Forget stats and facts. Chamberlain is better than Lallana, better than Grujic, better than Stewart and better than Can in an advanced midfield role. He is also better than Woodburn, Ojo, Wilson, Origi, Sturridge and Ings as a winger. I'd even argue he is a better wing back than Clyne, Moreno or Milner. I don't see how he struggles to get games for us? He is in the match day squad every week for me. We need quality squad depth. Chamberlain is exactly that.


12.) 26 Jun 2017 13:36:55
I would welcome him with open arms, Arsenal fans really rate him and he covers lot of positions so he would almost always start for us if we don't go for keita. agree with MK on every word.


13.) 26 Jun 2017 16:24:27
Adam, you just know that if he comes he will now do his acl in the first week, don't you?


14.) 26 Jun 2017 17:24:49
Mk scouser is pretty consistent with the unpopular opinions. You want Robertson as left back and ox to be played through the middle, that says it all really. We have to aim higher than squad players, anyone with half a brain could determine that signing ox wouldn't be an improvement on anything we have in the first 11 and at the money being quoted it is a ridiculous transfer for an injury prone squad player. If your obsession is to bring in some British players then aim a lot higher, because there aren't any that are available that would take us forward. It's as simple as that.


15.) 26 Jun 2017 19:24:32
Mk, are you high on that stuff JWH say they smoke at the Emirates? Look, as much as I disagree with the way you try to window-dress a player like Ox who is not as good as you make him out to be cos you are drawing all types of things like "he is a SG fan so he will be good", the fact that you actually posted that Ox is better than Lallana is where your total and blind bias for Ox, went off the rails. Ox better than Lallana? Now that is the most absurd thing I have ever read in any of your posts.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 09:42:35
We're doing ok in regards to the homegrown quote rule, right? We had 13 foreign players over 21 this season.

Origi and Grujic are no longer U21 so they will add to the 18 non-homegrown allowed.

Manninger is hanging up the gloves, that gets us to 14.

We could then go on a shopping spree, adding VVD, Salah, Keita and a foreign LB without getting into trouble with the FA, right? Or more moderately valued players.

After that it's sell one to buy one if I'm doing my math properly.

Andy Thorne

1.) 03 Jun 2017 11:04:34
Moreno and Lucas out and Pereira and Luan in. Plus Ox is homegrown.


2.) 03 Jun 2017 11:25:10
If it's Robertson it's not foreign.


3.) 03 Jun 2017 12:19:11
Plus it only applies to players under 21 and they don't need to be registered so we are fine.


 

 

14 Apr 2017 18:59:33
Interesting talk about how to choose the right transfer target, trying to replace Suarez. A few years old, but nevertheless. Basically we should have gone for Tevez rather than Balotelli. Could have told them that for free, but this guy explains why.

Andy Thorne

1.) 14 Apr 2017 19:44:12
Never mind Balotelli, the signing of Benteke was utterly mind boggling. Here we had a player who was good at holding up the ball but 90% of the time nowhere to be found in the box. When he was in the box he could not hit a barnyard door. He trotted along at snail pace. Thank goodness Klopp saw that he had absolutely no place in a high energy system yet somehow Rodgers thought he would fit.

I have not watched the whole video but would be interesting to see how our counter attacking has improved under Klopp. One can only think that we are up there with 2013/ 14 compared to this season without a terror like Suarez leading the line.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 19:48:53
I used to love watching tevez, regardless of who he played for.


3.) 14 Apr 2017 22:13:18
I got about 3 mins in.
So you have a nervous speaker talking who presumably has had this info thrown at him by experts who have never managed the game in any form. Everyone can read stats and be assumptuios.
One of his stats was Mignolet having the ball at his feet over the course of a season but then he waists to talk about goals scored from our forwards.
When will people realise that it's never purely a striker that will win the league. Every form of play has to be consistent.
Goalkeepers, defensive unit to holding midfielders to goal scoring goal midfielders to strikers.
Every unit has to chip in. If it's not the strikers scoring it had to be the support players.
The defensive midfielders have to supportive of the defenders. The defenders have to be capable of keeping leads.
It's a complete ream game. Not just the forwards. We have been there and done that. Didn't work.


 

 

22 Mar 2017 20:48:40
Scouting report for JK, Germany-England, first half:
Werner: Nowhere to be seen. Pass.
Brandt: Tried a little, no end product. Doesn't look LFC-material.
Rüdiger: Reminds me of a young Martin Skrtl, but with less sense of position and not as good passing.

But that England chap in no 11 shirt we should grab before Barcelona and Real come calling. Great feet, excellent workrate. MOTM so far.

The grass is not greener on the other side.

Andy Thorne

1.) 22 Mar 2017 21:09:19
You're basing this all on one half of international football? A friendly that counts for nothing, and that the Germans are notorious for not trying that hard at? No wonder we get fans laying into our players after one bad game.


2.) 22 Mar 2017 21:18:52
I'm glad you spent a lot of time scouting them, 45 minutes is plenty to decide. You're so clever.


3.) 22 Mar 2017 21:19:21
Always thought that about Brandt.
Basically I don't think his signing justifies blocking Ojo/ Wilson.


4.) 22 Mar 2017 21:11:11
Rudiger looks rather lumpen to say the least.


5.) 22 Mar 2017 21:50:21
And I thought Englishmen had a sense of humor and Germans were the square ones.

Fine, boring version then for you: Lallana is bloody good. Has taken several steps under JK.

Werner and Brandt are young lads with potential, but still very inconsistent. Especially Werner looked out of his league- as a debutant a little enthusiasm can be expected.

Even if this is Rüdigers absolute low I truly do not want him in a red shirt. Might look good in the slow Serie A, and with someone telling him what to do, but when England put some pressure on him he struggled badly.


6.) 23 Mar 2017 01:29:01
Chaps . go easy on Andy. This is what banter is all about . At least we talk on here, for any of you that want to know what I am on about pop over to the Man City banter page . I went on there over the weekend to guage the mood of their supporters before the game . Only thing missing was the sound of crickets in the background . Andy was speaking in jest, some of you guys are more sensitive than my missus.


7.) 23 Mar 2017 01:31:44
I've seen a lot of Rudiger. He's already a decent defender, still young and with good potential. I've never actually heard him linked with us (and it's probably not true) but I don't think he'd be a bad signing if there is any substance to it.

Don't judge the guy one appearance in a meaningless game.


8.) 23 Mar 2017 08:22:41
Andy you may need to attach a sarcasm and not being totally serious warning on your posts going fwd.

*50% sarcasm applies to above post
** 90% tongue in cheek
*** a tinge of underlying seriousness can be applied.


9.) 23 Mar 2017 09:46:07
Ruddiger rejected stupid money from Chelsea last summer so good luck with expecting him to sign for us cos the fee would be astronomic. As for Brandt, Ojo is not in his class as Brandt is much further along than him (German int'l, played at the U20 and Rio Olympics) even tho he is only 20 and inconsistent. If we get him, I will support him as he is supremely talented. By the way, if you are judging players based on pathetic, meaningless friendlies then don't be upset if many on here dismiss your player ratings as bogus cos you learn nothing about players in such games.


10.) 23 Mar 2017 20:49:10
Thought the comparison with Skrtls passing and sense of position would be enough to give away the irony, if the 45 min scouting report didn't quite do it.

Trust JK a lot. Has a great track record when it comes to transfers, aswell as developing young talent. Should Brandt or Werner come he will have a plan for them. The Rüdiger links are less solid, heard his name somwhere in regards to LFC. Probably due to us needing a CD than anything else.

The area I'm really worried about are GKs. At BVB he never got a great keeper on the team, and Karius have not been a hit so far.


 

 

11 Feb 2017 13:11:57
Watching Ars-Hull. Hull playing some kind of run-and-gun tactic, no parked bus in sight. Doing quite well actually. Think they fear being picked apart by runs defending low.

We soo need to find a way past low defending. If they had set up like this last week Bobby, Couts and Sadio would have had so much fun.

Doesn't help that Sanchez is bloody lucky with a blind linesman, somehow missing him volleyballing in 1-0. We've ben crap since 2016, but absolutely no luck with refereeing either.

Andy Thorne

{Ed025's Note - luck has nothing to do with it andy, you have been bloody awful mate, just hold your hands up and admit it..


1.) 11 Feb 2017 13:32:28
Got to agree with Ed025 on this. Weve been a shambles this year. All of which will change after we hammer the spuds of course.

{Ed025's Note - good luck with that annie, a draw would do me mate because the blue boys are a comin.. :)


2.) 11 Feb 2017 13:37:19
Markovic looked decent in first half . he should be in our squad if yo ask me. we were crying out for a bit of pace when mane was away. I think him and mane in our team would be a good combo on either side.


3.) 11 Feb 2017 13:38:00
Hull attacked us at every opportunity. We just pin teams back with slow laboured possession, then fail to break them down.

{Ed025's Note - that has been the case recently MK..


4.) 11 Feb 2017 13:52:48
Markovic doing himself no harm at all looks stronger too. If we aren't going to keep him I think there will be a few more takers than 12 months ago.


5.) 12 Feb 2017 10:16:44
We've been bloody awful, but with a spot of luck Clattenburg sees through Hazards obvious dive and doesn't give the freekick for Luiz to score. Great shot btw, no keeper would have had a chance.
My point is that when a team goes through a rough time every little thing counts. A call is made, a call isn't, a deflection goes your way and so on. Get one or two your way and things might turn around.


 

 

 

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14 Jul 2017 21:33:19
That would make this the most successful transfer window since. forever. We'll fight well on all fronts in that case. Surely PL and cups would be well within our capacity, and a decent run in CL to boost.

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14 Jul 2017 16:32:48
He'll have some good seasons in Italy for sure. Smart player, will benefeit from the less pacy more tactical style there. Best of luck!

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14 Jul 2017 16:28:12
Graeme Kelly, Spion Kop and The Firm all on twitter are sating he is signed. Has told his family he'll be at LFC bext year. Sounds a bit dodgy still, but.

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12 Jul 2017 19:11:43
Oooh, So'ton are in Austria? The country of RB Salzburg? With the sister club in Leipzig? I see where you are going with this. #IlluminatiConfirmed.

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11 Jul 2017 00:36:56
So what was the famous Napoli offer for Moreno? 11 mil, right? Was that all up front or was it 1 mil now, 5 mil if they win the league and another 5 if they male CL top 8? Makes a difference when judging LFCs stance on it. Does anyone actually know?

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16 Jul 2017 11:18:14
No club can field 11 players who can win the the league. You need some players who can win you the league, and a lot of players who won't loose you the league.
Migs has gone from a definite liability to someone who won't loose us the league. Our potential title winners the way I see it are Couts (15+ assists), Bobby-Sadio-Mo (45+ goals between them) and Matip playing like Hummels.

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16 Jul 2017 11:04:48
If I ran the club I'd offer them £40m +1 with a straight face just for fun.

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16 Jul 2017 11:02:42
Kind of like Markovic. Hope we return the favour Inter did us by selling Couthino on the cheap, and that Markovic can develop into the very best he can be in Italy.

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16 Jul 2017 10:58:41
The thing is we need two of at least Couts calibre going forward, plus a really good support crew. Hazard&Costa last year for example.

Last time we came close we had Suarez&Sturridge, supported by SG, Sterling.

The time before that SG&Torres, supported by Xabi.

Hope PC&Mané can become our leading actors, and that we'll have a good enough support crew to mount a serious title challenge.

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15 Jul 2017 11:56:15
TAA and Robertson are quite limited to their respective flank, but both Clyne and Milner can do a job on either side. Robertson and Milner start to start at Watford? Milner and Clyne? Robertson and Clyne? Preseason will tell, the competition for places are on.

Andy Thorne