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14 Apr 2017 18:59:33
Interesting talk about how to choose the right transfer target, trying to replace Suarez. A few years old, but nevertheless. Basically we should have gone for Tevez rather than Balotelli. Could have told them that for free, but this guy explains why.

Andy Thorne

1.) 14 Apr 2017 19:44:12
Never mind Balotelli, the signing of Benteke was utterly mind boggling. Here we had a player who was good at holding up the ball but 90% of the time nowhere to be found in the box. When he was in the box he could not hit a barnyard door. He trotted along at snail pace. Thank goodness Klopp saw that he had absolutely no place in a high energy system yet somehow Rodgers thought he would fit.

I have not watched the whole video but would be interesting to see how our counter attacking has improved under Klopp. One can only think that we are up there with 2013/ 14 compared to this season without a terror like Suarez leading the line.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 19:48:53
I used to love watching tevez, regardless of who he played for.


3.) 14 Apr 2017 22:13:18
I got about 3 mins in.
So you have a nervous speaker talking who presumably has had this info thrown at him by experts who have never managed the game in any form. Everyone can read stats and be assumptuios.
One of his stats was Mignolet having the ball at his feet over the course of a season but then he waists to talk about goals scored from our forwards.
When will people realise that it's never purely a striker that will win the league. Every form of play has to be consistent.
Goalkeepers, defensive unit to holding midfielders to goal scoring goal midfielders to strikers.
Every unit has to chip in. If it's not the strikers scoring it had to be the support players.
The defensive midfielders have to supportive of the defenders. The defenders have to be capable of keeping leads.
It's a complete ream game. Not just the forwards. We have been there and done that. Didn't work.


 

 

22 Mar 2017 20:48:40
Scouting report for JK, Germany-England, first half:
Werner: Nowhere to be seen. Pass.
Brandt: Tried a little, no end product. Doesn't look LFC-material.
Rüdiger: Reminds me of a young Martin Skrtl, but with less sense of position and not as good passing.

But that England chap in no 11 shirt we should grab before Barcelona and Real come calling. Great feet, excellent workrate. MOTM so far.

The grass is not greener on the other side.

Andy Thorne

1.) 22 Mar 2017 21:09:19
You're basing this all on one half of international football? A friendly that counts for nothing, and that the Germans are notorious for not trying that hard at? No wonder we get fans laying into our players after one bad game.


2.) 22 Mar 2017 21:18:52
I'm glad you spent a lot of time scouting them, 45 minutes is plenty to decide. You're so clever.


3.) 22 Mar 2017 21:19:21
Always thought that about Brandt.
Basically I don't think his signing justifies blocking Ojo/ Wilson.


4.) 22 Mar 2017 21:11:11
Rudiger looks rather lumpen to say the least.


5.) 22 Mar 2017 21:50:21
And I thought Englishmen had a sense of humor and Germans were the square ones.

Fine, boring version then for you: Lallana is bloody good. Has taken several steps under JK.

Werner and Brandt are young lads with potential, but still very inconsistent. Especially Werner looked out of his league- as a debutant a little enthusiasm can be expected.

Even if this is Rüdigers absolute low I truly do not want him in a red shirt. Might look good in the slow Serie A, and with someone telling him what to do, but when England put some pressure on him he struggled badly.


6.) 23 Mar 2017 01:29:01
Chaps . go easy on Andy. This is what banter is all about . At least we talk on here, for any of you that want to know what I am on about pop over to the Man City banter page . I went on there over the weekend to guage the mood of their supporters before the game . Only thing missing was the sound of crickets in the background . Andy was speaking in jest, some of you guys are more sensitive than my missus.


7.) 23 Mar 2017 01:31:44
I've seen a lot of Rudiger. He's already a decent defender, still young and with good potential. I've never actually heard him linked with us (and it's probably not true) but I don't think he'd be a bad signing if there is any substance to it.

Don't judge the guy one appearance in a meaningless game.


8.) 23 Mar 2017 08:22:41
Andy you may need to attach a sarcasm and not being totally serious warning on your posts going fwd.

*50% sarcasm applies to above post
** 90% tongue in cheek
*** a tinge of underlying seriousness can be applied.


9.) 23 Mar 2017 09:46:07
Ruddiger rejected stupid money from Chelsea last summer so good luck with expecting him to sign for us cos the fee would be astronomic. As for Brandt, Ojo is not in his class as Brandt is much further along than him (German int'l, played at the U20 and Rio Olympics) even tho he is only 20 and inconsistent. If we get him, I will support him as he is supremely talented. By the way, if you are judging players based on pathetic, meaningless friendlies then don't be upset if many on here dismiss your player ratings as bogus cos you learn nothing about players in such games.


10.) 23 Mar 2017 20:49:10
Thought the comparison with Skrtls passing and sense of position would be enough to give away the irony, if the 45 min scouting report didn't quite do it.

Trust JK a lot. Has a great track record when it comes to transfers, aswell as developing young talent. Should Brandt or Werner come he will have a plan for them. The Rüdiger links are less solid, heard his name somwhere in regards to LFC. Probably due to us needing a CD than anything else.

The area I'm really worried about are GKs. At BVB he never got a great keeper on the team, and Karius have not been a hit so far.


 

 

11 Feb 2017 13:11:57
Watching Ars-Hull. Hull playing some kind of run-and-gun tactic, no parked bus in sight. Doing quite well actually. Think they fear being picked apart by runs defending low.

We soo need to find a way past low defending. If they had set up like this last week Bobby, Couts and Sadio would have had so much fun.

Doesn't help that Sanchez is bloody lucky with a blind linesman, somehow missing him volleyballing in 1-0. We've ben crap since 2016, but absolutely no luck with refereeing either.

Andy Thorne

{Ed025's Note - luck has nothing to do with it andy, you have been bloody awful mate, just hold your hands up and admit it..


1.) 11 Feb 2017 13:32:28
Got to agree with Ed025 on this. Weve been a shambles this year. All of which will change after we hammer the spuds of course.

{Ed025's Note - good luck with that annie, a draw would do me mate because the blue boys are a comin.. :)


2.) 11 Feb 2017 13:37:19
Markovic looked decent in first half . he should be in our squad if yo ask me. we were crying out for a bit of pace when mane was away. I think him and mane in our team would be a good combo on either side.


3.) 11 Feb 2017 13:38:00
Hull attacked us at every opportunity. We just pin teams back with slow laboured possession, then fail to break them down.

{Ed025's Note - that has been the case recently MK..


4.) 11 Feb 2017 13:52:48
Markovic doing himself no harm at all looks stronger too. If we aren't going to keep him I think there will be a few more takers than 12 months ago.


5.) 12 Feb 2017 10:16:44
We've been bloody awful, but with a spot of luck Clattenburg sees through Hazards obvious dive and doesn't give the freekick for Luiz to score. Great shot btw, no keeper would have had a chance.
My point is that when a team goes through a rough time every little thing counts. A call is made, a call isn't, a deflection goes your way and so on. Get one or two your way and things might turn around.


 

 

24 Jan 2017 10:46:33
So what do we make of these William Carvalho rumours? Personally I can't quite believe this. Wrong position, powerful but not that quick.

Andy Thorne

1.) 24 Jan 2017 13:44:09
Until 002 says it, then, carvalho who?


2.) 24 Jan 2017 13:55:54
002 has confirmed we have interest and that we could strike a deal. However what she has not confirmed is whether or not we are actually trying to do that ;)

I am not a fan of Carvalho, but if Klopp is I will trust his superior judgement.

And Pearce is a con man pretending to be in the know. He hasn't actually been reliable since Brendan left as they had a special relationship.

{Ed002's Note - I have not said that - I have said that Liverpool has previously looked at the player but I am not aware of any talks with his club about him.}


3.) 24 Jan 2017 14:15:22
I know nothing if him he any good?


4.) 24 Jan 2017 15:20:04
wrong Carvalho

actually going for Ricardo to solve our defensive issues.


5.) 24 Jan 2017 20:03:35
ed002 its amazing how some people turn your words around, i know you never said it,


6.) 24 Jan 2017 21:20:38
He's in China now for his last payday, Agger.


7.) 24 Jan 2017 23:52:51
Mbrock, I have not put words into Ed002's mouth. I have simply repeated what had been written using slightly different terminology. Ie, we have shown an interest, and a deal could be possible if we made the effort, which we currently are not doing.

I rather think Ed002 misinterpreted what I wrote (but neither of us made a big deal of it because we're adults) and you are just trying to patronise me and start something that isn't there.

I did clearly point out that Ed002 had not yet confirmed we are trying to make a deal happen, only that it is plausible due to past interest. I've not turned any words even in the slightest. Honestly, grow up.


 

 

24 Jan 2017 10:46:33
So what do we make of these William Carvalho rumours? Personally I can't quite believe this. Wrong position, powerful but not that quick.

Andy Thorne

1.) 24 Jan 2017 12:05:14
He is a mixture of Kante and Matic. He is a bit slow. But brilliant on the ball. A hard tackler. I would assume Hendo might swap his position to play further up alongside this fellow. He is a good player.


2.) 24 Jan 2017 12:37:48
Makes sense to me to shore up the defence. Lucas, Can and Stewart would be nervous though


3.) 24 Jan 2017 12:40:03
No truth in it mate according to some guy called James Pearce.


4.) 24 Jan 2017 12:50:16
He will not join this window 100% although there has been interest in him, I doubt he would even be signed in the summer


5.) 24 Jan 2017 13:10:21
Wish we could get him in. much better than Emre and would mean Henderson could venture forward much more often with the knowledge his back is covered. I like Emre can but he's not quite there yet.
Fingers crossed but secretly know it ain't happening unfortunately


6.) 24 Jan 2017 13:50:17
What on earth has Can done to deserve so much hate amongst "supporters".

Do people not remember that he was played out of position for pretty much the entire first season he was with us? Shoehorned into CB by Rodgers, after suffering quite a serious injury a few months after arriving.

He then got another injury and missed 6 games of the following season and has already missed 8 games of this season. All of which without getting a regular run in the team.

And he's 23! 23 years old. Maybe, just maybe, William Carvalho is better right now. But he is also a year older, he has only been out through injury once in his entire career, and has been playing every single week in his favoured position in a league that will make the better players look incredible.

People need to get some perspective. Writing someone off at 23 with his injury history and him playing an entire season in the wrong position is just ludicrous.

I still believe that Emre can be a great player, and he needs the support of the fans, he obviously loves being at the club and whilst that is still the case he has a chance to make it. The fans turn on him and he may as well pack his bags because he'll hate being here before long.


7.) 24 Jan 2017 14:10:25
No hate Red dawn, But someone has to make space for a new midfielder and atm it looks like Can.


8.) 24 Jan 2017 14:20:54
Spot on red dawn


9.) 24 Jan 2017 14:23:08
Why does someone have to make space? Why do we need a new midfielder?

There may not have been hate per se, but look through this site in the last week or so and search the web for Emre Can, Liverpool "fans" all over are calling for his head and I just don't get it.

Why kick him out to make room for someone who is not necessarily any better for the cost of yet another £30million + extras. It's lunacy.

Let the kid play some football and support him, he ain't going to improve with the fans on his back.

Henderson was the same when he came, bit raw, bit of a headless chicken but he's one of the first names on the teamsheet for me now.


10.) 24 Jan 2017 14:53:23
We need someone who can seriously challenge our best midfield 3, and preferably one that can cover Hendo at the base of midfield, particularly with Stewart and Klopp still seemingly a bit off the pace yet.

Don't believe the Carvalho rumors but wouldn't be completely shocked if we were at least thinking about options, as it's a role the team will need filling in the summer when Lucas leaves.


11.) 24 Jan 2017 15:01:28
I'd replace him with someone with more quality, that's my only issue with him, he lacks technical ability.


12.) 24 Jan 2017 15:22:02
Why do we need a new midfielder? Because we want to be better than we currently are. Coaching can only take a player so far and if we want to improve we'll need to make signings. Can has struggled this season, it could be a bad run of form or it could be he's simply not as good as we thought he was. If it's the latter then we should look for an upgrade.


13.) 24 Jan 2017 15:54:09
So when we want to be better we have to buy someone from somewhere else? Who says Can can't be a great player? He's only really had one proper season if you discount his injuries and the season he spent out of position. And he's 23? If he was still in Germany or Italy he would be viewed as one for the future, still a youngster.

Sad state of affairs if we are advocating getting rid of a 23yr old full international for the World Cup winners and 3rd ranked team in the world, and spending millions on someone just as unproven.

Jeez, Liverpool used to make great players, not purchase them.


14.) 24 Jan 2017 15:54:09
So when we want to be better we have to buy someone from somewhere else? Who says Can can't be a great player? He's only really had one proper season if you discount his injuries and the season he spent out of position. And he's 23? If he was still in Germany or Italy he would be viewed as one for the future, still a youngster.

Sad state of affairs if we are advocating getting rid of a 23yr old full international for the World Cup winners and 3rd ranked team in the world, and spending millions on someone just as unproven.

Jeez, Liverpool used to make great players, not purchase them.


15.) 24 Jan 2017 16:33:30
I don't see the hate.

I see a player who is obviously struggling, and well off the pace.
In fact, he appears to be regressing, and making more and more mistakes each game.

I see a player who has not realized the potential he showed a few years ago, at Bayern.

Maybe he will come good, maybe not. None of us can predict the future. All I know is that right now, he is not at the level we need.

If it is due to lack of fitness, why is he starting?

Yes - Liverpool used to make great players. They also used to be ruthless with players who weren't good enough. Don't forget that part.


16.) 24 Jan 2017 17:29:06
Dawn, transfers are an intrinsic part of progress, so yes we do need to buy to improve. That's not to say it's Can that needs replacing but Klopp will buy at least 2 new first 11 players this summer and someone will make room for them. Seeing how Can is one of the players struggling right now then he's in danger, as are a number of first team players.


17.) 24 Jan 2017 18:45:27
I don't think any liverpool fan actually hates Emre can. he has his moments. Thought he did ok against man u for instance but I very much doubt he will grow into the footballer we'd like to see. Henderson for instance had a mediocre 1st season, lot of people slated him. But he's our captain and is a massive loss when injured or suspended. Could any liverpool fan say the same for Emre can really? I wouldn't sell him unless he wants to go but I certainly want a better option along side Henderson.


 

 

 

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20 May 2017 19:46:49
Mané could surely be at least as effective at LW. Better to bring in a suitable RW ahead of an OK LW, and convert Mané.

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14 Apr 2017 12:35:21
Berg and Berg, both scandinavian, both mentioned in regards to LFC.

Forsberg have always played as a winger before, might have been tried as an attacker at RB, but Werner has to be their first choice there, when fit. I'd try Poulsen as a central attacker on that side ahead of Forsberg.

I see a lot of Freddie Ljungberg in him, actually. Smart runs, hard work, can finish. But Forsberg is better at creating chances for others, and can shoot from some distance.

If we get him as a option at CF I'd be a bit surprised. He might be able to be a lightweight Firmino, and get the pressing part right, but other than that I'm not sure. Great option on the wing though, if we're adding depth there.

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14 Apr 2017 08:49:53
Forsberg a striker? Think you got your players mixed up a bit. He is definitely a winger. Were you thinking of Dolberg (Ajax) perhaps?

Andy Thorne

{Ed001's Note - well he was playing as a striker in games I watched recently. He also said in an interview I watched at the weekend that he likes playing as a striker. Why on earth would I be thinking of Dolberg? No idea where you got that insane idea from.}


 

 

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02 Apr 2017 11:30:55
Lazy, overrated, playing to get on the highlight reel. No way he's a player for a Klopp side.

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25 Mar 2017 10:53:18
Youngsters who want playing time but can't get it at LFC should be let go. Set a reasonable price, part ways while still on speaking terms, open up for the possibility of a return later, should everything fall into place. Best for the club, best for the player.
Suso was never going to evolve into a worldbeater playing for the u23 team, or by a loan spell at Huddersfield.

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28 May 2017 10:02:30
Wouldn't mind Clyne and Milner sharing the RB position, as I said. You don't want to start the season with a 50% new defensive line. Takes time to get in sync.

Clyne is absolutely not a world beater, but that is not what I expect from a RB. And again: he has obvious instructions not to go for the cross, but to cut in and look for a short pass. Think this has been frustrating many of us, but it is what Klopp want.

Hate these so called "modern" fullbacks who give you 9/ 10 and a brace one week, 3/ 10 the next week costing two goals. Attack by all means, but learn how to be sound defensively first .

A fullback won't win silver for you, but might loose it for you. Moreno, EL-final last year for example.

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27 May 2017 20:58:15
He's gives us a 6-7/ 10 40+ times per season. Has obvious instructions to cut in rather than go for the cross. Reasonably solid i defense- not the main reason we're shipping goals. Does some good attacking aswell, started the move for 1-0 v Boro for example.
Not the best RB I've ever seen, but good enough. Money should be spent elsewhere. Happy with him and Milner sharing the position for 17/ 18.

Andy Thorne

{Ed025's Note - your kidding yourself if you think clyne is good enough andy..


 

 

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25 May 2017 18:33:23
So when is Konoplyanka signing?

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20 May 2017 09:10:46
Real Ronaldo is top of two of my footy lists. Best attacker and worst hairstyle. In a world of Fellainis, Chamakhs and Nainggolans Ronaldos pubes look is still no1.

But seriously at his peak he was the most unplayable attacker I've seen. Ball at his feet, facing forward and it felt like a real chance every time. Ball in the box- same thing. Pace, movement, trickery, power, smart finishing and great head for the game.

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19 May 2017 22:11:25
Ghananananananana, and his nickname is Batman actually.

Andy Thorne