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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}


1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}


2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}


3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}


4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).


5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}


6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.


7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.


8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.


9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}


10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}


11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}


 

 

19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}


1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}


2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}


3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.


4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.


5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.


6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?


7.) Ilori imo.


 

 

06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?

stuie_boy

1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year


2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange


3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year


4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.


5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.


6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.


7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.


 

 

 

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08 Mar 2019 08:39:54
Hi Ed002, it's being reported FIFA are genuinely looking into capping agents fees which would also need to be paid by the player they are representing. Could you shed any more light on this and if it is being seriously looked at at all? I think it'd be an extremely positive step for football if it were to go ahead. Thanks.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - FIFA raised the issue last summer but it is only a part of some larger discussions. To have the players pay simply won't work out; the discussion of a cap is to include an alternative of a fixed percentage of the transfer fee, but the concern is that transfer fees could be pushed up; but the re-introduction of licensing has support of most - it means intermediaries will lose out but registered agents who have to meet a code of conduct; The FA want to tighten the situation with agents further by saying they must have a UK bank account at a major bank.}


1.) 08 Mar 2019 14:05:53
Can’t happen soon enough IMO - maybe not a fixed percentage as different deals involve different levels of involvement, but there should at the very least be a cap and full disclosure. The murky waters just make it prone to shady back room deals and exploitation of the players and the system.

{Ed002's Note - There is already full disclosure. I am not sure what your last sentence is referring to.}


 

 

16 Feb 2019 11:19:49
Bit of a random one. Anyone know a decent plays to watch the big one on 24th Feb in Hanoi?

stuie_boy

1.) 16 Feb 2019 12:03:02
If you find somewhere in Hanoi, don't sit by any man utd fans you might ANNOY them! bum bum.


2.) 16 Feb 2019 12:30:51
*sigh (gon) . From my travels, I've noticed it's very much split between united and LFC fans in this part of the world.


3.) 16 Feb 2019 14:56:30
Hanoi doesn’t really have much of a nightlife, but there was a few bars that I’m sure will be showing the game. I will be watching in Hoi An, looks to be plenty of sports bars looking online.


4.) 16 Feb 2019 16:31:09
Cobra, I'm currently in Da Nang, though think I will have moved on by the game. Heading to Hoi An tomorrow. If you change your plans and end up in Hanoi give me a shout.


5.) 16 Feb 2019 17:04:49
I’d recommend puku sports bar in Hanoi. Open 24 hours a day and the foods not bad either especially if you feel the need for something western (gotta be done sometimes when you’ve been in Asia for a while! ) . They’ve got sofas and screens upstairs but get there early if you want a decent seat. Hoi An has a decent sports bar, can’t remember the name (something about a dragon? ) . You might struggle to find somewhere open late enough to watch what would be an evening kick off in the UK though. Also watch out for the shots in the late night bars in Hoi An, they’ll rip your insides out!


6.) 16 Feb 2019 21:28:41
As FrankieSaysYNWA Puku bar is your best option mate (at least in my experience) . Hanoi doesn't have the best nightlife, but Puku is open 24hr. Great city otherwise though and the day trips to Ha Long Bay are incredible.

If you make your way down to Ho Chi Minh and need any recommendations give me a shout, lived there for nearly a decade while growing up.


7.) 17 Feb 2019 02:33:17
Puku it is by the sounds of it. Think it's a 1pm KO in the UK? Thanks for the tips. Ho Chi Minh was incredible, will be heading back I think.


 

 

08 Feb 2019 03:16:00
Ed002, with the recent sad news regarding the Sala plane crash and his body being recovered, I read that Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff in order to recoup some, if not all, of the transfer fee. I believe Cardiff have asked for more time for the investigation to be conducted. This made me wonder, as it is such a sensitive issue, where do the clubs stand on the financial side of this? I thought the clubs would have insurance for this type of thing, but as it was mid-transfer, where do the obligations lie and with whom? Extremely unfortunate situation and I hope the pilot can be recovered at some point to give closure to his family.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - The situation is that he had signed for Cardiff and they owe the transfer fee to Nantes in accordance with the terms of the contract - and Nantes owe a sell on fee to GdB. Cardiff have said that they do have insurance but they are also saying that they wish to wait until the AAIB and other investigations are complete.}


1.) 08 Feb 2019 14:42:32
OK thanks Ed.


2.) 08 Feb 2019 18:42:17
Unfortunately it makes me feel sick thinking about it but he was Cardiffs player, even though he hadn't played a game yet. It's an all round horrible situation and I think they've asked for the first payment prematurely, but it needs paying at some point. Hope this never happens again.

{Ed025's Note - yeah janmo money should not be even thought of at this time, let the families grieve and sort it out at a later date, not very classy by nantes i must say..


3.) 08 Feb 2019 19:06:33
My thoughts exactly a couple of months isn't going to make a difference to a football club. And this kind of thing should be done out if the press. God bless to his family and friends.


4.) 09 Feb 2019 00:31:58
My guess from a pure insurance point of view is that the insurance company wouldn’t pay out until his body was found and that’s why Cardiff were asking for me time. A horrible situation and my thoughts are only with his family and friends at this difficult time.


5.) 09 Feb 2019 09:30:46
Decency demands that people wait until at least the deceased are laid to ground. Even a week or 10 days would have been appropriate. And then to have it out in the media is really cheap behaviour. All chasing the almighty buck 😡.

{Ed025's Note - a sad state of affairs mate..


 

 

11 Jan 2019 05:52:09
I'd like some opinions from the readers. I was having a discussion about LFC after the city game with some other fans (on a forum somewhere) and the majority were banging on that we have to sign a CB as "Lovren is crap". I pointed out we have an excellent young CB in Gomez who will learn a lot from playing with VVD and Lovren is a decent enough back up as we have more pressing areas to buy for. Their response was that Gomez is injury prone and we should buy Koulibaly immediately. When I pointed out that would pretty much ruin Gomez progress, they say no, as when Gomez is fit, he will start ahead of him. So you then have a 90million defender sat on the bench, happily apparently. I also believe Gomez is far from injury prone, more unlucky as they were two major injuries that could happen to anyone.
I was in the minority in this discussion and was called cluess etc. Now, am I being unreasonable, do we have the need for a "top" CB, let alome the funds?! I find out odd that such a vast majority of fans seem to not think of the bigger picture ie funds, players we have already etc and I'd like to thank the Ed's and this site for helping to share their knoedge and u Der standing of all things LFC and football related. I feel I have a much better understanding of the inner workings. And common sense it seems!

stuie_boy

{Ed001's Note - it is an irrelevant discussion as Koulibaly has no interest in joining us. He certainly would not join to be number 3 choice!}


1.) 11 Jan 2019 06:28:30
Lovern is ok to be fourth choice I think. We were just unlucky over the period as Matip (who was looking good recently also got himself injured) .


2.) 11 Jan 2019 06:32:58
It will be another 5-7 years before the club even thinks of spending big on a CB like the VVD fee. And I am happy with what we have. Its just unfortunate that 3 out of our 4 CBs are injured at the same time. VVD and GOmez compliment each other really well and Lovren and Matip (when fit) are decent backups to have.


3.) 11 Jan 2019 07:00:16
For me Lovren and Matip are not bad back ups. I actually think Lovren is pretty good the majority of the time he just has major lapses, although playing next to Van Dijk has made them largely disappear. The only worry for me is that we have 4 centre backs with history of injuries which could leave us vunreable like we are now. Hopefully Fabinho will go well (thought he played okay on Monday) and become a viable 5th choice in desperate times:


4.) 11 Jan 2019 07:05:32
For Klopp to sign a central defender, you’re right, either Gomez or the new signing would sit on the bench.

However, you don’t HAVE to play the same line-up as regularly as Klopp does. You can rotate the squad like Rafa used to at LFC. So out of 50 ish games a year your 3 top central defenders will play 33 ish each unless they get injured.

That’s the problem, Klopp’s reputation for not rotating the squad will reduce the players willing to join in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - Rafa never rotated the centre backs Ron. It was one thing he was adamant about. They were only ever out through injury or loss of form, never rotation.}


5.) 11 Jan 2019 07:18:34
I agree with Ed01 here about the rotation.

Suddenly I remember Kyrgiakos. I don't know why.


6.) 11 Jan 2019 10:23:41
I don't think we need a 90m defender. I think we need another defender though. Someone on the same level as Lovren, and we'll let Matip go.
We shouldn't have 3 defenders in Lovren/ Matip/ Gomez who have the tendency of getting injured. To the best of my knowledge, each of the three have been out for at least 2 months (in total) each of the past two/ three seasons.
But we don't need a major signing in defence. Any major signing should be a forward player.


7.) 11 Jan 2019 11:53:44
Thankfully we have Gomez who looks a great player. Just need him back as Lovren n Matip are dodgy as hell.


8.) 11 Jan 2019 12:29:58
I think Hummels would be a great purchase. Getting older so wouldn’t be overly expensive. Proven quality with a history with Klopp. Not playing much at the min so would be available and would be a great option for rotation and cover. I know it won’t happen but think it would be a great move.


9.) 11 Jan 2019 13:13:49
The one issue with the centre backs is apart from vvd there all injury prone lovren, gomez and maptip have missed a lot of games over the last 3 seasons through injury. I wouldn't be against letting matip and lovren go and bring in one to compete with Gomez and vvd then use one of the younger players to fill the other space.


10.) 11 Jan 2019 13:33:36
I think you’re all being a bit harsh calling Gomez injury prone. He broke a bone through an impact injury. That’s not injury prone that’s just unlucky.
He’s had the knee problems but a lot of young players get things like that until their body stops growing and developing. I think he’ll be a stalwart at the back for for many years to come.
I also think after watching Fabinho on Monday he could become a great CB if played there regularly.
There is absolutely no need for us to blow £40mil plus (as that’s what it would take to get better than what we already have) on a new CB.


11.) 11 Jan 2019 15:37:37
I'd be perfectly happy to go forward with Lovren and Matip as back up if they just weren't so injury prone.


12.) 11 Jan 2019 16:34:35
The problem with Matip and Lovrens as back up CBs is they often pick up little injuries to rule them out of playing. what's the point in being a back up CB if you're not there to be back up? I don't think we need a TOP CB signing but i do think we need a more reliable back up for when Gomez or VVD are rested or injured.


13.) 11 Jan 2019 20:25:12
Love the post, OP. Khoulibaly is miles ahead of Gomez right now so the fact that these rival fans think the best defender available right now in Khoulibaly, will come here and be 3rd choice to Gomez, just goes to show you how clueless these people are about football in general. I don't believe we need a CB right now as the boys will be back in a week to two weeks.

I don't think Gomez is injury prone or at least, it is too early to say. The kid is only 21 or 22 and his body is still developing as he grows into football and with that happening, injuries will come. Btw, Gomez did not get injured on his own. he got injured via a rash tackle, which can happen.

As for backups, I agree with Cobra66. Matip and Lovs are very good CB backups, IMO. Matip had been poor for all of last season BUT was just getting better before his injury. Lovs recovered very well from the Spurs debacle last season to finish strong alongside VVD will brilliant performance for the vast majority of his games (MOTM at the Etihad in the CL) . In fact, I think either would start at Utd and Arsenal easily, ability wise.

The issue is that both are injury prone and Lovs loses it each time things are not going his way. Replacement? Not Hummels, PLEASE! Hummels would not be my pick as he is too old, no pace, lacks aggressiveness in the challenge. He is a has-been and needs to be left there, IMO.


14.) 11 Jan 2019 22:28:16
Teams evolve. Ours has evolved and we have a CB who played in the European Cup final AND the world Cup final who is often on the bench. We have one of the most promising young CBs in world football and we have Joel matip who knows this league and has improved. Oh, and we have the best CB in the world.

Teams suffer from injuries, its part of the professional game and we have just about enough to scrape through with Fabhino and Henderson who can fill in. Matip is almost back and in a few weeks we will be spoilt for choice again.

I do believe we need a top top CB to partner Van Dijke, and I believe we already have him in Joe gomez.

Oh, and young Hoever looks to be a shining light of a prospect.


15.) 12 Jan 2019 00:17:09
The money being quoted for players atm you would have to splash out at least double lovrens fee just to get some one on his level. And if that player had been in the World Cup and European cup finals probably another 50% on top of that.


16.) 12 Jan 2019 10:33:09
Spot on, Scouse John LB.


 

 

02 Jan 2019 12:02:49
A slightly different question for Ed002 is about. I'd like your thoughts on the whole Chief Executive situation for the PL. With Susanna Dinnage turning down the position, is there an underlying reason for it and what did you think of her appointment in the first place? I know Ed001 isn't a fan of Scudamore but what are your thoughts? From a purely business perspective you could argue he done his job well though I'm not massively clued up on his career. I know it's not directly Liverpool related, but interested to get an informed opinion. PS, when will Fekir sign.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing sinister in her opting out, it will be no more than Discovery offering her something attractive and interesting. I don't know Scudamore at all well and he, like whoever takes over the role, has had to face some difficult issues. If I could criticise one thing it would be the need to delegate more. Tom Betts, Tim Davie and perhaps, if she is interested, Claudia Arney might be the most likely options but it would need Claudia Arney to step down from her role on the selection committee.

Lyon will generally not let two players of any significance leave in the same season and their expectaion is that Fekir will leave and they will have to fend off interest in Tanguy Ndombele and Houssem Aouar - but they know that selling one of these in addition to Fekir will bring significant funds to the club.

They have spoken to two sides about Fekir already and mid January will see a meeting where many of the major protagonists will be together and I suspect much business done, but a third party representing one particular club has been camped out in the South of France to see if something can be done in advance of January 15.}


1.) 02 Jan 2019 12:36:54
OK thanks Ed, wasn't expecting the Fekir answer but there we go. Not a bad camp site that.

{Ed002's Note - He is actually camped a few hundred KM away in Monaco at the moment.}


2.) 02 Jan 2019 12:56:12
Ed002, are either of the sides Liverpool and do we still hold interest? At least one of the constant signings we make Pulisic is finally off the table of questions.

{Ed002's Note - No it is nothing to do with Liverpool. If Liverpool do want to return to Fekir I am sure there is a fixed price that Lyon would sell him to Liverpool for after they screwed Lyon and the player around in the summer. So right now I am not aware of any Liverpool interest. As I have said, unless one side (who are trying) can get in and agree something in the next 10 days, it will wait until everyone will be in Geneva on 15/16. Pulisic has been addressed repeatedly.}


 

 

 

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Would those signings and the players being sold not seriously impact are home grown quotation?

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11 Jan 2019 06:07:53
Same as polar bears, their fleece isn't actually white, it just reflects the colors around them.

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18 Mar 2019 22:09:22
Or, another factor might be if LFC get dragged into all this and themselves get a ban. Quite sure that bring forward any plans.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explaioned that situational already - numerous English sides can become involved in at least the nise.}


 

 

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18 Mar 2019 13:17:24
Aoe, that'll be very cool, sign me up.

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17 Mar 2019 18:01:21
Oh wow, there were a few, especially with houllier and Benitez. Mark Gonzalez, kromkamp.

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15 Mar 2019 12:14:10
I think united could very well surprise a few people over 2 legs.

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13 Mar 2019 18:29:45
See, this is why we need your reviews Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}