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10 Jul 2021 09:47:36
Good Morning Ed’s.

Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but I havnt seen. Reports about that Ben Davies wants to stay and JK personally asked him to do so. Assuming this is accurate which I am unsure about at best, are we looking to offload any of the CB’s on the books either permanently or on loan? If Williams is included as a senior we have 7 CB’s for 2 positions are surely need to trim the squad? Thoughts or insights appreciated as always.


{Ed002's Note - As has been explained, Nat Phillips is available to leave. Konate is a Gomez replacement but Gomez won't be sold. Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale.}

1.) 10 Jul 2021 10:59:49
Why is Ben Davies a huge mistake?

{Ed002's Note - His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him and did not play their youngsters. He has not played and midfield players have been picked ahead of him. A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again.}

2.) 10 Jul 2021 11:10:51
Thanks Ed. Very disappointing to hear. I very much hope positive decisions are made and both are allowed to move on to progress their careers.

3.) 10 Jul 2021 11:36:24
We needed cover, we signed him on deadline day of January. Season was over 4 months later, hardly a career ruiner. Both he aswell as the club were obviously happy to go along with the move which didn't exactly cost the club a fortune, they'll probably even turn a profit when selling.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool had youngsters they could use and also took a player on loan. The squad management has been poor and continues to be poor. So where does the player stand now?}

4.) 10 Jul 2021 11:40:43
It’s clear as day Klopp didn’t want Ben Davies. It seems we have a Rafa situation with Robbie Keane, signing a player he didn’t really want and then refusing to play him to send a message to the owners.

{Ed001's Note - nonsense. The lad got injured just after joining us, Williams and Phillips were in situ by the time he got back.}

5.) 10 Jul 2021 11:46:36
The player has this season to prove he is good enough to be kept beyond this season. That's where he stands based on what has been said in this thread. Sounds like he wants to stay to try make the most of the opportunity.

Klopp doesn't play every new player straight after signing. If Ben Davies isn't happy with how many games he plays this season then he can move on in January or at the end of the season. Not a big deal.

{Ed002's Note - The squad management continues to be very poor.}

6.) 10 Jul 2021 11:48:27
I imagine Williams will leave and we don’t know how the 3 injured players will recover. I think we need to keep an extra defender or 2 just in case. We can’t be playing the midfielders at the back again.

7.) 10 Jul 2021 12:18:26
Am sure Davies would have played if he wasn’t injured! Klopp can’t pick him if he’s on the treatment table can he.

8.) 10 Jul 2021 12:22:21
Not many squads could have dealt with the amount of injuries we did last season maybe none! So on that side squad management has been fantastic and we did use youngsters Williams and Philips (not so young) Elliotts loan also worked out well. But I do agree hanging on to some of the players we do that never get to see them me on the pitch is poor Tsimikas Origi Ox and Shaq never play. But hey If poor squad management wins champions leagues and premiership titles then carry on. Seriously though I do think a tidy up is needed a bit messy having all these players unsure of their futures.

9.) 10 Jul 2021 12:50:15
The central defenders that will be reporting for day 1 of pre season…
Ibrahima Konate, Virgil van Dijk, Joel Matip, Joe Gomez, Ben Davies, Rhys Williams, Nat Phillips, Billy Koumetio,

10.) 10 Jul 2021 13:05:37
To be fair, Ben Davies must have known that he wasn’t going to be a regular starter and at best 4 choice when he signed for us. Maybe if it wasn’t for his injury he might have had some game time, we will never know. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself, but either way, we need to offload some of the back up CBs.

11.) 10 Jul 2021 13:16:55
3 senior defenders going into the season with the hope of giving the youngsters games in the early rounds of the domestic cups. Due to almost unheard of bad luck through injuries we were left with no senior centreback by January with most experts giving us no hope of top 4.We then sign a talented kid on loan "without"an obligation to buy and a player for pennies from the championship who then gets injured. We then achieve top 4 with the loanee and probably our 6th choice centrehalf at the start of the season. Davies and Phillips will likely be sold now for a hefty profit while we bought one of the most promising defenders in the world, leaving us with a group of 4 Centrehalves better than anything in the league. Absolutely top class squad management to me.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - you don't understand the situation nor the Home Grown rules.}

12.) 10 Jul 2021 13:18:31
Keeping Davies as LCB cover will allow us to sell Phillips and loan Rhys. It's interesting that Ed001 and 002 seem to disagree on this point. The lad was unlucky with the injury, so Liverpool did use youngsters. Hope he can stay fit and get some game time so we can finally see what he can offer.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool used the likes of Henderson and Fabinho at CB. Ben Davies did not play a single game.}

13.) 10 Jul 2021 13:55:19
Were grand regarding home grown. Elliot and Jones aren't even counted yet even though they'll get plenty of games. Look Klopp pulled a blinder getting us top 4.Davies will get over it. Big drama about nothing.

{Ed002's Note - You are an idiot - Liverpool had a reduced Champions League squad last season.}

14.) 10 Jul 2021 14:33:48
So would you want us to have a 25 man squad. AND the likes of Neco, Jones, elliott?

{Ed002's Note - Williams won't be there but Liverpool will have to leave players out of their Champions League squad again or fix the problems.}

15.) 10 Jul 2021 14:41:44
Kelleher, Neco, Trent, Gomez, Ox, Hendo, Millie, Jones and Elliott for this season. grand. not counting jones is like Arsenal not counting Saka, or Utd not counting Grenwood. these players are senior players despite their age.

16.) 10 Jul 2021 14:43:45
If you were not pick ahead of rhys last seasons. Good luck trying to be picked next seasons.

17.) 10 Jul 2021 15:49:32
Ben Davies kept picking up injuries did he not? I mean surely it would have been worse management to play him at a level higher than he’s ever played before with a niggling injury?

{Ed002's Note - He made the bench a few times. But a pointless buy.}

18.) 10 Jul 2021 15:56:38
Reminds me of a buy a few years ago, one of the top 6 (cant think who) bought a 24 year old from some championship club. can't remember ever hearing of him again. Anyone remember who it was?

19.) 10 Jul 2021 16:18:04
Aaah it was Michal Hector bought by Josè at Chelsea.

20.) 10 Jul 2021 16:36:29
Nonsense Ed? Klopp was happy with a last minute championship defender? I’m not buying it. I’ll trust in Klopp’s squad management as well too thanks.

{Ed001's Note - ok you obviously know better. Or it could just be that you are as arrogant as you are ignorant and will dismiss anything that doesn't suit you.}

21.) 10 Jul 2021 17:31:43
Look he may stay or go. but at £1.6m for a player who had plenty of interest in him, and who will more than likely turn a nice profit when being sold his signing can hardly be classed as a "huge mistake".

22.) 11 Jul 2021 00:07:49
Last season players for CB position:

-VanDijk (INJURED)
-Gomez (INJURED)
-Matip (INJURED)
-Philips (Played 20 games)
-Rhys (Played 19 games)
-Ozan (Played 13 game)
-Davies (Played 0 Games)

This season

-Gomez (Likely yo play RB)
-Philips (Sell)
-Rhys (Loan)
-Davies (? ) Didn't play a single game and doesn't have a place in the team unless 3 players get injured at the same time.

{Ed002's Note - "His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him" - "He has not played" - "A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again"

{Ed002's Note - "Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale"

23.) 11 Jul 2021 15:16:01
The guy kept getting injured which tells me he prolly could not handle the type of training Klopp deploys. Also, we are forgetting that Kabak and Phillips formed a solid partnership for 8 games w/ o a loss so was Davies on the bench during that time? If he was then of course, he stays there. If he was injured at the same time then again, what’s the problem?

We may have issues with squad management but IMO, this whole storm in a tea cup about Davies is way overblown, IMO.



11 Aug 2016 00:11:49
Anyone know of or seen anything of this fullback Juanma we are supposedly signing?

1.) 11 Aug 2016 02:33:54
He's only 19 so he is probably not what you thought he was going to be.

2.) 11 Aug 2016 04:47:16
Confirmed signing after successful week trial for the U23 team, not first teamer yet and not expected to be this season. It's a left back, just not ready this season.

3.) 11 Aug 2016 08:47:32

4.) 12 Aug 2016 14:22:52
Chilwell was only 18/ 19.

5.) 12 Aug 2016 16:02:29
Watched him play for 60 minutes in the flesh for the U21's against MK Dons. He is very fast and utilised his speed to make a handful of recovery tackles. He also has a nice touch and is neat in possession. His positioning was very weak though and he over ran the ball on a few occasions. Looks a fairly decent, attacking young left back. Whilst I doubt he will get much if any first team action, with our complete lack of depth there, who knows.

6.) 13 Aug 2016 00:55:14
Would love him to be a dark horse and end up a first team regular a la Bellerin. Would certainly cure our left back headache.



06 Jul 2015 15:52:35
Afternoon eds.
Are we switching our interest in a striker from Benteke to Jovetic?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

1.) 06 Jul 2015 16:50:31
Not sure if he would be interested but Lacazette would be a better fit for our team and when you look at the rumoured transfer fees for him and Benteke it seems a clear one to me.

That said whoever we sign I'll be right behind.

2.) 06 Jul 2015 17:15:52
I totally agree dcal, but i can't see him coming to us. If he doesn't move this summer and has another good season I think he'll be able to pick his own club this time next year.

3.) 06 Jul 2015 20:08:53
I dearly hope we do not sign either of them. If Liverpool are in a position to spend 32m plus wages, then surely there are better achievable options in the current market

4.) 06 Jul 2015 22:23:45
Psynwa - go on then suggest some, that's the whole point genius. If you can't add content and just want to be negative then go play with your toys.

5.) 06 Jul 2015 23:52:03
The people who think Lacazette and Higuain are likely to come to Liverpool are deluded.I do however agree that Benteke is not what we need and we would be better off sticking with what we've got

6.) 07 Jul 2015 02:45:28
I look like to think that Aubamyang, forgive spelling, might be prised away from Dortmund for the amount of money that's being mentioned for Benteke, but nothing's been said about him being a target so wishful thinking I guess. I agree with Dcal, who else is there we could get? Maybe promote Jerome Sinclair? Better hope studge stays fit I guess.

7.) 07 Jul 2015 03:19:47
Higuain and Lacazette won't come to us, we CAN'T stick with what we've got because we need a new quality center forward and there are no real options other than Benteke

8.) 07 Jul 2015 07:35:47
Although I don't think he's worth 32m, I don't see any other option than Benteke. Goal every other game for a team like Villa? With players like Firmino and Coutinho around him I expect him to bing in a few more.

9.) 07 Jul 2015 09:19:19
Benteke is only 24. He's a proven goalscorer in the epl and a real nightmare for defenders. With new coaching staff in place we are obviously going to adopt new ways of playing ball. In part because we have been found out.

So please people, keep the whining to yourselves and support the beast. He might just be exactly what we need.

10.) 07 Jul 2015 10:54:57
I don't mind either. In fact if we could get Jovetic that'd be great because he's half the price. Altho Benteke's performance and form can much clearly be seen than Jove's. Poor thing warming benches at City. Great talent!

11.) 07 Jul 2015 18:31:18
My cousin is a Citeh fan and he hates Jovetic. Says he's lazy. And injury prone. I trust his judgement as he's very knowledgable.

The only positive is that a player exchange would drop the cash price for Stirling and therefore, we have to play QPR less.

{Ed001's Note - not true, the value would be the same.}



14 Feb 2015 21:33:01
Hi eds. hope all is well.
Quick question, hope you might have an inkling. I would assume the squad needs drastically trimming down in the summer, especially in the striker department.
My question is, with BR seemingly now realising he needs an apparent "plan B" do you think it's likely that one of either Lambert or Mario will be let go, if not both? I consider Borini already gone tbh. I only ask as Mario seems to at least trying recently, and Lambert seems out the picture altogether.
Thanks in advance!

{Ed002's Note - I think Lambert would probably be the firs out of the door. Others need to go to make space for Origi and Ings. Balotelli is keen to stay a few years if other options are not available.}

1.) 14 Feb 2015 21:55:51
So Ed, you're basically saying there's a good chance Ings will be a Liverpool player next season? I'd take that!

{Ed002's Note - See above.}

2.) 15 Feb 2015 04:56:35
If Ed002 just said Rickie may have to make way for Origi and Ings, that implies that Ed002 believes there's a good shout Ings will be a Liverpool player in the summer!

3.) 15 Feb 2015 06:23:05
I would suspect we'd try to move on Aspas and Borini for sure and perhaps Lambert as well. Not sure about Yesil, but he probably needs to move on as well.

Sturridge, Ings, Balotelli, Origi seems like a fair amount of depth to me.

4.) 15 Feb 2015 09:24:15
RDL, i would be happy with Sturridge, Ings, Origi and Balo as well but only if it is the Balo that we saw on the pitch in the last two games. Ings and Origi have little experience on the big stage and pairing them with an established goal scorer will take the pressure off them.

5.) 15 Feb 2015 04:58:14
hi Ed002 regards balo, you say he maybe keen to stay does this co-inside with his last to games has the penny dropped. what do you think or no? I think he could be a good player for us certainly looks good with sturridge. also is brendon starting to like him?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him but are asking far too much money. His agent says the only other option is for him to stay. I think the club need to decide what they want to do with all of these strikers.}

6.) 15 Feb 2015 12:23:02
I think Mario has started to improve recently more because we have a proper striker back on the pitch. Mario is best played in a support role as opposed to being the main man. As long as Sturridge is there, he will continue to look good.

7.) 15 Feb 2015 19:37:14
My personal preference would be to offload Mario, Indian Buzzer, but I can't see anyone really wanting him so I think he may be here another year.

8.) 16 Feb 2015 10:34:10
hello Ed002, is that 'far too much money' more than what we paid for him?

{Ed002's Note - The amount is unimportant, but it is far too much. Liverpool will have a better idea about Ings in a week or two - Moyes is trying to get him to sign a pre-contract.}




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22 Apr 2021 08:03:24
With rumours building that Konate is looking more and more likely, what 4 CB’s would you all like to see in the squad next year? For me it’s VVD, Gomez, Konate and Phillips. Kabak looks ok but won’t start ahead of those other 3 I don’t think so not worth the money. I do think that Matip is the better defender and more suited to our style than Phillips, but Phillips would accept being a squad player which is important and does do a job I feel. Plus keeping him allows for the sale of Matip to raise funds and is one for the HG quota. Ben Davies can go, sell him cheap to Bournemouth or Celtic, Poor lad, Rhys Williams isn’t up to it I don’t think. Fabs can cover in an emergency. Any thoughts?

1.) 22 Apr 2021 08:23:41
Westwood666, I think Matip will be sold. As for Gomez, it will depend on how he comes back from the injury he had cos if it s a damaged knee tendon (I had mine ripped and needed it to be reconstructed) then, it could take longer. To this end, we ay need to keep Kabak or Phillips.

2.) 22 Apr 2021 08:28:31
yeah I'd go for Gomez, Konate, VVD, Phillips. For the same reasons about money and HG, I'd let Kabak go back and keep Phillips.

3.) 22 Apr 2021 08:37:43
Yep agree with this. Save the money on Kabak and put it forward for improving the squad elsewhere. Philips if he is ok with being back up can stay, if not he has earned himself a move.

4.) 22 Apr 2021 08:51:13
Yes, kabak isn't good enough imo but klopp seems to like him. Never seen konate play knowingly so can't comment. Is he decent eds1?

{Ed001's Note - Konate when I watched him was excellent. Absolutely outstanding as the best of the French trio at the back for RBL. I have been wanting us to sign him ever since. I know everyone has a stonk on for Upamecano, but I think Konate was much better when I watched them.} Become a Patron!

5.) 22 Apr 2021 09:20:58
A stonk Ed001 a stonk you say😂.

{Ed001's Note - trust you to spot that Connor!} Become a Patron!

6.) 22 Apr 2021 09:23:28
I agree Ed, I never really understood the love in everyone seemed to have for upamencano. He’s ponder spurs on the ball and dives in. Konate is quicker, stronger a front foot defender. No doubt he will make mistakes due to the front foot approach he takes but a really great prospect. Unfortunately great players cannot do it from the treatment table which may be his only downfall.

7.) 22 Apr 2021 09:32:43
Thanks Ed. I just watched a few clips of him and he looks like a good tackler and seems positionally sound. I hope we sign him, him and VVD as our CB partnership would be very solid.

{Ed001's Note - I think he could work with Gomez and Phillips well too (if those do end up our other options). Most of all, he also provides cover at right-back, which gives us a bit more flexibility. Not just in terms of covering injuries, but also on bench options, as you won't have to have a specialist right-back and centre-back on the bench, necessarily.} Become a Patron!

8.) 22 Apr 2021 09:48:19
Matip good on his day but way to unreliable!
We need rid of these types of players.

9.) 22 Apr 2021 09:54:10
we need to keep Phillips, buy Kabak and Konate. sell Matip. Gomez and VVd will take time to get back to form and fitness.

10.) 22 Apr 2021 10:10:51
What a shame about Matip tho lads, absolutely world class when fit if you ask me, be mint if he had some sort of injury free 2 years but can't see it.

{Ed077's Note - World Class? He isnt even guaranteed a first team place ahead of Joe Gomez and VVD, how is he world class? And you cant be world clas if you are never fit to show how good you are, IMO?}

11.) 22 Apr 2021 10:28:53
I agree with Decelticon here. Virgil and Gomez might need time to settle. There are doubts about Konate's fitness too. Kabak and Phillips should both be kept.

Rhys Williams out on loan, Sepp out on loan, Matip sold. The new paper straws at McDonalds have a better chance of lasting 90 minutes than Matip.

12.) 22 Apr 2021 10:29:32
If we sign Konate then this is what I would have our defence looking like:

VVD and Konate as the starting pair.
Gomez and Phillips as the back ups.
However, I would not be surprised to see klopp keep another senior defender as further back up after what happened this year, especially considering VVD, Gomez and Konate have all had long spells out in recent times and might take a while to get up to full fitness.
So who to keep? Kabak? Not for me, I think the lad is talented and you can see improvements in his game but at his age he needs minutes to improve and fulfil that potential, minutes he’s not going to get on our bench, so I don’t think it’s fair on him to rot on our bench. Plus he will cost money that we don’t actually have. Plus I know I say he’s got talent but I also don’t think he’s good enough either for us.
Davies? No idea. Only Klopp knows if he’s good enough.
Williams? Nope, I’m not convinced he’s even a defender, or even a footballer capable of playing higher than a team like tranmere to be honest.
Matip? To be honest he would be right at the top of my list for players to ship out, considering wages and injuries. However would he be top of anyone’s list to buy from us? I just can’t see anyone in world football willing to buy him with actual money. But on the flip side he’s the player that is the best fit for our system and a very capable player (when fit) so I can actually see him staying to be a back up, more out of a fact we won’t be able to sell him more than anything though, but if he stays on as the 5th defender then he’s unlikely to play in more than a half a dozen games anyway, surely he can manage that? Lol

So, VVD, Konate, Gomez, Phillips and Matip would be my pick. Further backed up by the kids.

13.) 22 Apr 2021 10:36:35
I think a lot depends on VVD and Gomez. If both can be back fully fit in the next 4 months then Konate and Phillips will be enough.
I’d be hesitant about going in with 4 though. Perhaps Davies stays as a 5th choice and can be an option at LB?
I don’t mind Fabinho playing CB as a last resort but I’d have him as a 6th choice. But could be influenced by signing midfielders.
If we were to sign 2 midfielders, eg. Bissouma, Kalvin Phillips, Renata Sanches, De Paul, Neuhaus. 2 of them probably allows for Fabinho to be 5th choice CB allowing Davies to move in.
I’d personally look to add Bissouma and Sanches/ Neuhaus. That would allow for Fabinho to be 5th choice CB without damaging the midfield too much (like it has this season) .

14.) 22 Apr 2021 10:37:10
Lol Matip has never been world class, he's shown some glimpses of quality in the past but that's about as far as it goes for me - I'm trying to be reasonable here! He needs to go.

15.) 22 Apr 2021 10:56:13
World class. that made me lol. He is very good on his day but the injuries are to regular for him to be reliable these days. Is Gomez going to be happy as a back up though? I highly doubt it tbh.

16.) 22 Apr 2021 10:56:54
Decelticon, I agree with you.

17.) 22 Apr 2021 11:44:27
All are very sure Phillips would be happy with the odd game here or there. Why would he? Most games he's played he has played well, a good solid defender. You can bet your life there is premier league managers keeping an eye on the CB situation at Liverpool.

18.) 22 Apr 2021 11:55:02
I keep forgetting Davies exists. Clearly he's not good enough in Klopp's mind. He can't even get on for a cameo when Kabak comes off around 80 minutes. Klopp always drops Fabinho back. I just don't see a future for him at Liverpool if he's not good enough to play when we have 3 senior centre backs injured. Reminds me of when we panic signed Caulker in January and he couldn't get near the pitch unless it was an almost comical cameo up front.

19.) 22 Apr 2021 09:54:52
In answer to the OPs question, my view is that we buy Kabak (and Konate) AND keep Phillips.

We have 2 CBs coming back back from long term, serious injuries, and another who will have just joined (Konate) . It may take several weeks or months to get up to speed (for different reasons) .

I would keep Phillips and offer him the opportunity to leave (if he's not finding enough first team opportunities) next summer, but I would definitely buy Kabak.

At the age of 20, and based on the games I have watched, he looks like an excellent prospect, and at £18m for someone that young and with (seemingly) that high a bar, I think he would be worth it.

Ed001, I know you are a student of the game, what do you think of what you have seen of Kabak so far, given his age and his natural acclimatisation to a new league/ culture?

{Ed001's Note - he is ok, but he is lacking awareness for me. I wouldn't pay money for him.}

20.) 22 Apr 2021 12:10:16
For those of you who think nothing of Matip look at the stats when fit he starts over Gomez. Kabak will be kept on Without a doubt. If konate signs Gomez will be given time to prove fitness then sold make no mistake about that. so for me probable back for will be vvd, konate kabak matip. Gomez for sale Philips too.

21.) 22 Apr 2021 12:17:05
Phillips has said that he’s not daft enough to think he’s an automatic starter and he knows his limitations as a footballer, but he also wants to stay and fight for a place in the squad and if that’s 3rd or 4th choice with the chances of reasonable amount games and medals then he’s happy with that. Players like Phillips are useful against the more agricultural teams.

{Ed0666's Note - Hell be 5th choice if konate comes in and Matip stays.

22.) 22 Apr 2021 13:26:27
Isn't konate made of glass as well? I'm sure he's barely played.

{Ed077's Note - he has missed quite a few games through injuries this past couple of seasons, particularly last season.}

23.) 22 Apr 2021 13:27:31
He’s said he’s happy to play back up ed0666 and prove his worth and given the chronic injury issues of Konate and Gomez and Matip there’s actually decent probability he’ll get some games. If I was in that position I’d take the chance to get some medals and play for a top side rather than go and play for Burnley or whatever in a year in year out relegation battle. Just look at United, for every Stam, Vidic or Ferdinand, there was an O’Shea or Wes Brown, basic functional defenders who could step in, do a competent job and were happy to do so. That’s probably how Phillips sees it.

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t understand players get criticized for sitting on the bench and not seeking first team football when they’re not playing and now they are getting praised for being bench warmers. My heads in a tizz. As a footballer who just wants to play the game playing regularly for Burnley is better than playing 10 games for Liverpool surely?

24.) 22 Apr 2021 14:57:56
6Times, Konate and Gomez do not have chronic injuries so your whole point is inaccurate from the get go.

25.) 22 Apr 2021 15:05:39
Ed0666 I guess it could be one of these reasons:

1) Do you back yourself? In which case stay at Liverpool and take one of the two regular starter slots

2) Its your dream club, you have supported them forever and it would bring you more pleasure playing fewer games for them than more games for someone else

3) You're after the most money and a Liverpool bench warmer gets paid more than a starter at another team.

I would think Phillips is (1) or (2)

{Ed0666's Note - if he actually is a Liverpool fan then (2) would be the appropriate choice maybe. I like the guy but let’s face it apart from being aerially dominant he’s fallible. I’m not skating the guy as he’s stepped up and been decent but no more than that.

26.) 22 Apr 2021 16:29:17
Yeah, I'd agree he's no VVD, 066, but I think he could have his place in games when we're up against a bullying CF, albeit they are thinner on the ground than a few years back when you had big Dunc, Shearer, even Carroll more recently.

And against teams that are going to just hoof the ball up or play for set pieces maybe?

{Ed0666's Note - I would play him in league & FA cup games and minimal league games. I don’t see the glamour mate sorry.

27.) 22 Apr 2021 18:37:15
Oli, both Gomez and Konate have very well documented history of injury issues. It’s easily found. So it’s fair comment to say they have chronic injury issues.

15/ 16 - 234 days knee injury
16/ 17 - 128 days Achilles’ tendon
17/ 18 - 28 days ankle knock
17/ 18 - 54 days ankle surgery
18/ 19 - 6 days “knock”
18/ 19 - 128 days ankle surgery
19/ 20 - 1 day “knock”
20/ 21 - 231 days - knee injury

17/ 18 - 7 days thigh injury
17/ 18 - 5 days minor knock
19/ 20 - 239 days torn muscle fibre
20/ 21 - 96 days torn muscle fibre
20/ 21 - 49 days ankle injury

And Ed0666, I’d far rather play 10 games a year for Liverpool at the top end of the table, than 38 a season in a relegation battle at Burnley. Any sane person would. It’s not often in a professional’s career that they might get the opportunity to experience playing for a top club, so I imagine Phillips is taking the chance while it’s there and fair f*cks to him!

{Ed0666's Note - if he’s has confidence in his ability he would play a full season or two somewhere else and get a big move on merit and design rather than an afterthought at Liverpool.

28.) 22 Apr 2021 23:00:49
I'd sooner back myself and earn my money by playing. From seeing Nat being interviewed he strikes me as the same. Considering he went to the German 2nd division to play regularly I'd imagine playing for the "likes of Burnley" for 40 games a season beats 5 or 6 appearances for Liverpool. Maybe take the fan of the club glasses off.

{Ed0666's Note - post of the year!!!



01 Feb 2021 22:55:01
So perhaps I am looking to much into this but Shaqiri has played well the last couple of games and Klopp looked extremely happy with him when he was subbed yesterday. Fast foward today and Mina is going on loan. Do we think Shaq has played his way back into Klopps longer term plans? He seems well suited to playing centrally so perhaps he could cover the wings and Bobby's role? Maybe not from a pressing point of view but he certainly has the skill, vision and ability to do what Bobby does? I just hope to see a bit more of him as I think when he's on form he's a top top player.

1.) 01 Feb 2021 23:14:50
Prob a bit of the fact shaq has been playing well but also that Jota is close to returning. Some time away may give Mino chance to settle into the league and come back raring to go next season. Southampton play good football if he gets games could do his career some good.

2.) 01 Feb 2021 23:27:43
He seems a bit inconsistent for me, but definitely good when he is on form. I agree, he seems like a better option than Minamino, and I actually kinda like Minamino.

Welcome to our new 19 and 28!

3.) 01 Feb 2021 23:32:33
Westwood666, I think Shaq has recently been playing well and has certainly done all he can to at least put himself back in Klopp’s thoughts. In regards to Taki, i’m a bit miffed at the whole situation. If the guy is struggling to integrate due to being extremely shy then I really feel for the lad. It was clear to see during the title celebrations that he is painfully shy and an introvert. Dropping him completely out the picture after the Palace game doesn’t seem the best way to handle him though. Then again the gaffer is the gaffer and a brilliant one at that who knows far more than me but from the outside in it looks odd.

4.) 02 Feb 2021 00:12:43
He needs confidence though, it’s not something that can be coached or forced. If a player comes to Liverpool and has been here a year and still doesn’t feel like a proper part of the squad then there’s not a lot we can do. You can’t come to Liverpool and feel daunted, you have to assert yourself amongst your team mates and back up that assertiveness with performances in training and on the pitch.

If he isn’t doing that here then maybe sending him to a smaller club where he can get more game time will allow him to build that confidence, then perhaps he can come back with the self belief and arrogance needed to play for Liverpool.



05 Jan 2021 15:32:21
Anyone else thinking this season isn't going to get finished the way lockdowns are going and the most recent weekly C.V. tests amongst football players and staff? I seem to remember ed003 saying if we hit the halfway season mark whoever is top will be awarded the title but if not the season will be voided. Anyone, including Ed's know if this is still the case and do you think we'll manage another 2 games before football (might) get shutdown?

{Ed002's Note - The resolution on the table for the Premier League is that standings would be final if more than 50% of games have been played. A vote is being avoided still. All efforts will be made to complete the season one way or another.}

1.) 06 Jan 2021 06:57:20
Thanks Ed. All the best to you at this early stage of the new year.



22 Sep 2020 23:37:54
What’s going on with Keita? It’s been a couple of years now and he just isn’t recognisable from the hardworking attacking goal scoring midfielder we thought we were getting? Is it confidence? Is he being asked to play differently to how he was in Germany? Does he just not care? I’m utterly perplexed by him as I simply cannot believe all that ability just disappeared on the plane journey to liverpool.

1.) 23 Sep 2020 01:51:32
I don't know Westwood. Could he be used to playing with a no10 in front?

I don't get it either. I think he might be a bit intimidated.

He was a hell of a player for rb. Maybe he needs space to play his game and isn't getting it in the prem.

2.) 23 Sep 2020 04:57:56
There is more to it, he is doing or not doing some very basic things. Short passing is sloppy, the aggressive runs in the box are non existent and the press from midfield is not in sync with the others. Gini when moved to the rcm position at Chelsea did more in the 30 mins than keita did in the previous games combined.

I would love him to turn it around, his confidence is shot and he's clearly not playing to his potential. Pressure is on with a new midfielder and nothing to show from the early season. He should play at Lincoln cause I would not start him in next Pl game.

3.) 23 Sep 2020 07:18:20
Personally I think it’s time to cut our losses and move him on. I had great expectations but I’m just not seeing it, must be frustrating for the management team at LFC. If playing him against Lincoln and not against Arsenal is the best we can do then that’s not a £50m footballer.

4.) 23 Sep 2020 07:53:41
I agree he’s not do anywhere near enough but surly the question should be why is klopp still picking him! Am at a loss.

{Ed025's Note - good point longthing, maybe with thiago in the mix now it could change mate..

5.) 23 Sep 2020 07:57:30
Bit harsh lads, has been our best midfielder since the return from lockdown. Ididnt think he done anything wrong in particular Sunday to be subbed. Think it was more a case of getting fresh legs on.

{Ed025's Note - i think your being very kind to him there jadon..

6.) 23 Sep 2020 08:08:42
His first few yards with and without the ball are impressive, he has a nice touch a quick turn, gets the ball out his feet well, but then he struggles, he is the opposite of Can, who took about 15 yards to get going then was like a train haha, i can see there's a player there but maybe not confident or with the right work ethic, shame as he could be a real baller.

7.) 23 Sep 2020 08:16:47
He loses possession too cheaply, doesn’t get stuck in, has no idea of how to get into space to make himself available for a pass and not once since he’s joined has he dominated a game from midfield, he’s more interested in his social media activities and getting laid than his football career. I’d sell him.

8.) 23 Sep 2020 08:20:41
I’ll be honest I didn’t see the Chelsea game but in the Leeds game he was abysmal Jadon. So I can’t agree there mate.

9.) 23 Sep 2020 08:29:16
He just hasn't worked out, can't remember one game he has bossed. May be time to cut our losses with Thiago in now our starting should be Fabhino- Thiago- Hendo.

10.) 23 Sep 2020 09:23:12
Keita just doesn't have "it". The fact that he had "it" before at RBL doesn't do us any good now, does it? See how à true professional of à high level, hits the ground running, like Thiago Alcantara.

I think Klopp is sticking with him because Keita is the one player Klopp stuck out his neck for the most- the way they structured that deal of purchasing a player one year in advance. It wasn't even a loan back, which lessens the risk a bit.

11.) 23 Sep 2020 09:34:48
Just think it's a bit of "we have Thiago now, we don't need that other fella that helped us win trophies over the last couple of years". Just cos we have a new toy we shouldn't be dying to discard the players we already have, who without there hard work Thiago wouldn't even want to join in the 1st place. maybe I'm being too loyal, just think he does too many nice things to give up on him just yet.

12.) 23 Sep 2020 09:43:58
Different league to the Bundesliga, maybe the effort isn't there? When you hear about the things he got to in Germany then you have to question if he has the desire to really work hard. Off course everyone can change but have to want to.

13.) 23 Sep 2020 09:47:15
As a huge Keita fan, I think he is on his last legs, guys. He simply not getting it done. All the penetrating runs are just papering over the other flaws in his game that some may not see or choose to ignore.

I can understand why Klopp keeps picking him cos he wants him to succeed and most importantly, Klopp moved heaven and hell to get him here to the point of tapping him up and getting the club in trouble. Will Keita make it? We shall see BUT the signs are NOT good right now.

14.) 23 Sep 2020 09:55:58
Jadon, he is an arrogant sod though isn't he, only cares about going on about how much he earns etc he seems to care more about that then playing football. I think we all know he's a very talented footballer, we've seen it in the past but since joining Liverpool he's done bugger all for us.

I've stood by him, hoping his attitude would change but it hasn't and it won't so enough is enough, sooner he's out the door the better, he's a waste of wages. I'd much prefer a youngster to be in his place getting chances now. Keita has had his chances and blown them, how long are we meant to be patient hoping for the best?

15.) 23 Sep 2020 09:57:59
Liverpool over the last couple of seasons have utilised a hard working industrious midfield. Think Gini, Henderson, Milner. And it has worked, but we've relied on creativity from genius flicks and interplay from Firmino, or out wide from the full backs.

Clearly, the signing of Thiago was to move away from that one-dimensional midfield setup. We still have it, and can play that way when Klopp thinks that is the right way to play against team X and team Y. But now that we have someone with the flexibility and creativity in midfield, he'll no doubt get more out of Keita in the process.

Keita takes more risks than the likes of Wijnaldum. That is why he loses the ball more, but he's an attacking midfielder. That hasn't always suited our style. Give him a chance with Thiago in the side, and I think we'll see a different player.

16.) 23 Sep 2020 10:15:21
Keita cannot defend back. Give him a chance when we have thiago and fabinho in holding roles and keita in free role. He will kill it. All the doubts should light a fire in his belly and now that he is starting and is easily among the low performers, coming back will show a test of his character and faith in his skills. If he passes this test we will walk with the league. If he doesn't we have a race to the top.

17.) 23 Sep 2020 10:35:19
He can defend himself by getting his head straight and sorting it out on the pitch aksh*t. He hasn't done that, he has had doubters for quite a while now so im sure he'll be well aware but nothing has changed.

18.) 23 Sep 2020 10:25:07
Of course, you would sell him and keep Wijnaldum 6 Times. coz he ticks everything you have mentioned.
Keita is the only player that could take the ball and carry it forward.

19.) 23 Sep 2020 11:47:48
Salah I don't really want to get into whether he's a sound bloke or a tosser because i know NOTHING about that, just like practically every1 else on this sight. I judge by what i see on the pitch, and while I'll agree he hasn't lived up to expectations. maybe peoples expectations were too high from the start. i know he's living on borrowed time but the likes of Hendo and Gini (and again i don't mean there personalities off attitude offpitch) should remind us how sometimes its wise to give a player just a little bit more time.

20.) 23 Sep 2020 11:53:39
No point listing all the things Keita can do or is capable of, the fact is he’s not doing those things and never has for us.
I hope he turns it around and has a great season but he looks like he’s going backwards to me, almost like playing with 10 men when he plays.

21.) 23 Sep 2020 13:05:26
I must be blind when I watch football because I've seen little of Keita's supposed excellence in the past two years. He was great in his first game for us - think it was against West Ham - but has done little since and nothing to repay the effort we made to get him to the club. For me he leaves and we play Jones instead, his passion for the club - which Keita seems to lack - will mean we likely have a better all round player and a bit (a small bit probably) of cash in our bank account.

22.) 23 Sep 2020 13:16:19
I still haven't given up on Kieta. I'm in it for the long haul. I think he just needs to play with a higher energy and demand the ball a bit more. And obviously step up defensively. Still routing for him.

23.) 23 Sep 2020 13:40:36
Some players thrive on being a big fish in a small pond. Others can’t handle moving to a massive club like Liverpool where the expectations are so much higher. Then you have the players who move to a big club and think they have made it and stop trying.
Unfortunately, I think Kieta could be a combination of all three.

24.) 23 Sep 2020 13:49:27
Jadon I do understand what you're saying mate but many people on this site knows full well what he is like as a person. He was like it before he joined Liverpool, many were concerned by this at the time. I was one of the few who thought he'd turn it around and be sound, he didn't.

I do agree, people expected a lot of him from the beginning, I'm guilty of that and as we know it can take time for a player to really do well as you say but with the right attitude and he just doesn't have it.

I'm all for defending our players but we have a squad of quality professional lads then you have Keita, only interested in social media and going on about nothing important (money, lifestyle) , not doing bugger all on the pitch, he needs to go.

25.) 23 Sep 2020 15:35:27
I am not interested in what Keita can do or what he was doing before he came here. I am interested in what he is actually doing for LFC and for right now, he is failing miserably. He is super-underachieving right now and seems not to be arsed about getting stuck in and getting his hands and feet dirty. Pulling out of challenges? Not having that EVER.

Being able to carry the ball forward into blind allies, losing it and then strolling back while the other midfielders hustle back doing his work for him, is of no use to me. If he cannot do what other midfielders are doing then he needs to either get his ship together or he gets let go. And this is coming from a huge Keita fan.

26.) 23 Sep 2020 17:26:32
He's not very good, is he?

27.) 23 Sep 2020 20:06:44
I remember his first couple of games for us. looked impressive. Since then he's been practicaly rubbish. Get him in the reserves. If he doesn't improve, Get what we can for him and get him out of the club. Only interested in himself and the glamour of the lifestyle.



19 Sep 2020 07:17:14
Very happy with the Jota and Thiago signings although I am concerned with where this money is coming from considering we are supposedly broke? Foward players Bobby, Mane, Salah, Jota, Shaqiri, Elliot, Wilson, Origi, Brewster. Surely a lot of outgoings to occur shortly.

1.) 19 Sep 2020 07:44:58
Westwood I totally understand what you’re saying mate but our owners do not spend money they don’t have. These 2 deals will be structured To ensure we can afford the outlay. We’ve already seen reports on how good the Thiago payment deal looks and with Hoever going for reported up to 14 mill then Jota at 44 mill is a 30 mill signing. Like yourself I expect players to leave now and as long as it’s squad players and not any of our superstar first teamers then this has been an exceptional window. I think any of Origi, Wilson, Grujic, Karius, Shaq and Brewster could be available. And depending on which are sold the Outlays could soon matches in sales. Not sure if we might actually see Jones go on loan as well because with the signing of Thiago and Jota wherever he was in the midfield and front 3 rankings he surely will drop down a place in both.

2.) 19 Sep 2020 09:47:49
JK23, I do not see Jones going out on loan. He is a full fledged first teamer now and I do not see that changing. He will be part of the rotation cos the games will be coming thick and fast and with 7/ 8 CM's, we can cope. All the other stuff you posted, I fully concur with.

3.) 19 Sep 2020 12:23:44
Rm I’d like to see Jones stay mate and you’re right games will be coming thick and fast. We look to have great strength in depth now.




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04 Aug 2021 11:44:31
Thanks for clarifying the club developed rule Ed02.



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04 Aug 2021 11:01:27
What’s huge club developed player quota Ed002? Forgive my ignorance I can’t find anything online about this. Is this something coming into play soon? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It already exists for the Champions League which is why Liverpool had a small than 25 man senior squad last season. It is coming for the Premier League.}



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24 Jul 2021 21:33:35
I agree with Ed25 about Pickford being top 5 in the EPL but it’s more to do with a lack of talent in the league currently rather Pickford being a great keeper.



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17 Jul 2021 15:26:14
Signing a roughly 30 goal a season inside forward/ winger like Salah will always be difficult which is why we won’t try to. We make those players not buy them. Salah wasn’t hitting those numbers before he joined us. Any recruitment is risky, I personally somewhat agree with VVVV I’m that Traore and Sarr are not the best choices, but if Klopp reckons he can turn one of or both of those two into world beater then I think he has done enough to be trusted by the fans.



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14 Jul 2021 18:48:12
A balancing act is needed between moving on those that will clearly not get the chances they need to progress and giving opportunity’s to those outside the first 11 can progress if we intend to keep them. I would personally love to see Elliot and Taki get some opportunities, as well as Jones and Tsimikas. Origi, Shaqiri, Phillips, Davies, Karius, Wilson, Ojo, Grujic, Lewis and Williams should probably all move on for their own sakes and hopefully add some funds to the pot at the same time.




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21 Jul 2021 02:06:23
I bet most people backing Robbo probably didn’t even want him here when we bought him lol. Stats can prove anything you want them to and values mean nothing. It’s all about the system and how the specific attributes a player has allow them to fit into that system. What makes a better player is entirely subjective. Is Chilwell a better ‘technical’ player than Robbo? Probably. But Robbo is a workhorse so fits the system better. Does that make him the better player or not? Again, subjective and ultimately irrelevant. You can make a world class team out with a group of average players if the set up and coaching is done well. The main point being who is the ‘better player’ doesn’t matter. We have a player that does exactly what the team needs him to and that’s good enough for me.



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19 Jun 2021 06:53:55
I stopped eat CJ I got halfway through the second half. England’s problem is the same now as it has been for years. We don’t have the technical ability or technical intelligence throughout the squad to play the way the European teams do. Italy are currently playing the way we are trying to and it doesn’t work because the English game isn’t like that. We are all about pace, power, driving at the opposition goal and whenever we get to a tournament we try to tiki taka it about. The talent is there in that England squad but until we start playing to our strengths they will always be disjointed and struggle for positive results.



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16 Jun 2021 06:09:14
Personally I would keep him as a proven and homegrown back up as opposed to Matip despite the latters quality when fit and on form. WHEN being the key and decisive word there for me. That said Klopp loves Joel so if Nat isn’t going to play at all best to say thank you by securing him a deserved move to a decent club where he can play regularly regardless of income for ourselves.



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03 Jun 2021 22:11:42
Certainly agree with the notion that a captain is best positioned in the centre positions (CB or CM) to watch and shout at everyone what needs doing. I think when Hendo isn’t playing he don’t have this. VVD does this to an extent but not to the same level so he would be the next captain for me. definitely need another player in the mould of Hendo when he retires though. Even though he is now getting the plaudits he has long deserved I still don’t think people realise just how vital he is. I can’t separate him from VVD and Salah in terms of importance to the team personally.



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27 May 2021 06:45:53
Bale hates the club and fans and has openly said so, so that’s a 1st no. He is lazy and disinterested in the game in general so that 2 no’s. He is injured for large chunks of every season which would be unacceptable on the wages he would demand so that’s 3 no’s. For the above reasons he wouldn’t be worth a spot on the bench, wouldn’t be worth displacing any of the current front 4 (despite a drop in form from some of them) so that’s 4 and 5 no’s. On pure talent alone if he was top of his game and consistently available, yes of course, but it just doesn’t stack up.