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14 Jun 2022 19:30:37
Nunez taking number 27 by the look of it. Be grabbing that number 9 shirt off Bobbies back on his way out the door next year then!

Westwood666

1.) 14 Jun 2022 19:50:15
Get a few iconic goals this season in honour of the man who last wore that number.


2.) 14 Jun 2022 20:27:13
I think it’s a good move. I though he was going to wait for Mane’s number 10 but no need to add to the pressure by giving him his shirt.


3.) 14 Jun 2022 20:29:26
He hasn’t done the lean. Pics or it didn’t happen.


4.) 14 Jun 2022 21:11:27
Those jokes about the lean are getting boring.


5.) 14 Jun 2022 22:31:29
Aw you are no fun. We signed a big name. Enjoy it mate.


6.) 14 Jun 2022 23:22:14
We should just give him the number 10. He wants to be here. If Mane stays he has the 27.


7.) 15 Jun 2022 03:07:03
2+7=9.


8.) 15 Jun 2022 05:47:56
Yes noski that’s what I was getting at. As soon as Bobby is off he’ll be grabbing that shirt quicker than ol’ Jose grabs a severance package.


9.) 15 Jun 2022 06:25:45
Knock knock.

Who s there?

Eileen

Eileen who?

I lean on the wall, you can have the seat.

I make no apologies for another lean joke.


10.) 15 Jun 2022 08:16:56
@Davey - you sure that’s a joke mate ?.


11.) 15 Jun 2022 08:32:30
That's straight from my gold stuff WDW. Nothing but my best for this site.


12.) 15 Jun 2022 08:36:20
Westwood Bobby going nowhere mate. He going to retire with us.


13.) 15 Jun 2022 09:25:44
Nice one Davey ?.


14.) 15 Jun 2022 09:39:57
Keep the lean jokes coming ?.


15.) 15 Jun 2022 12:49:04
I think he’s going to be top class for us! Like when Torres came, just a feeling he’s really going to shine for Liverpool.


 

 

10 Jul 2021 09:47:36
Good Morning Ed’s.

Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but I havnt seen. Reports about that Ben Davies wants to stay and JK personally asked him to do so. Assuming this is accurate which I am unsure about at best, are we looking to offload any of the CB’s on the books either permanently or on loan? If Williams is included as a senior we have 7 CB’s for 2 positions are surely need to trim the squad? Thoughts or insights appreciated as always.

James.

Westwood666

{Ed002's Note - As has been explained, Nat Phillips is available to leave. Konate is a Gomez replacement but Gomez won't be sold. Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale.}


1.) 10 Jul 2021 10:59:49
Why is Ben Davies a huge mistake?

{Ed002's Note - His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him and did not play their youngsters. He has not played and midfield players have been picked ahead of him. A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again.}


2.) 10 Jul 2021 11:10:51
Thanks Ed. Very disappointing to hear. I very much hope positive decisions are made and both are allowed to move on to progress their careers.


3.) 10 Jul 2021 11:36:24
We needed cover, we signed him on deadline day of January. Season was over 4 months later, hardly a career ruiner. Both he aswell as the club were obviously happy to go along with the move which didn't exactly cost the club a fortune, they'll probably even turn a profit when selling.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool had youngsters they could use and also took a player on loan. The squad management has been poor and continues to be poor. So where does the player stand now?}


4.) 10 Jul 2021 11:40:43
It’s clear as day Klopp didn’t want Ben Davies. It seems we have a Rafa situation with Robbie Keane, signing a player he didn’t really want and then refusing to play him to send a message to the owners.

{Ed001's Note - nonsense. The lad got injured just after joining us, Williams and Phillips were in situ by the time he got back.}


5.) 10 Jul 2021 11:46:36
The player has this season to prove he is good enough to be kept beyond this season. That's where he stands based on what has been said in this thread. Sounds like he wants to stay to try make the most of the opportunity.

Klopp doesn't play every new player straight after signing. If Ben Davies isn't happy with how many games he plays this season then he can move on in January or at the end of the season. Not a big deal.

{Ed002's Note - The squad management continues to be very poor.}


6.) 10 Jul 2021 11:48:27
I imagine Williams will leave and we don’t know how the 3 injured players will recover. I think we need to keep an extra defender or 2 just in case. We can’t be playing the midfielders at the back again.


7.) 10 Jul 2021 12:18:26
Am sure Davies would have played if he wasn’t injured! Klopp can’t pick him if he’s on the treatment table can he.


8.) 10 Jul 2021 12:22:21
Not many squads could have dealt with the amount of injuries we did last season maybe none! So on that side squad management has been fantastic and we did use youngsters Williams and Philips (not so young) Elliotts loan also worked out well. But I do agree hanging on to some of the players we do that never get to see them me on the pitch is poor Tsimikas Origi Ox and Shaq never play. But hey If poor squad management wins champions leagues and premiership titles then carry on. Seriously though I do think a tidy up is needed a bit messy having all these players unsure of their futures.


9.) 10 Jul 2021 12:50:15
The central defenders that will be reporting for day 1 of pre season…
Ibrahima Konate, Virgil van Dijk, Joel Matip, Joe Gomez, Ben Davies, Rhys Williams, Nat Phillips, Billy Koumetio,


10.) 10 Jul 2021 13:05:37
To be fair, Ben Davies must have known that he wasn’t going to be a regular starter and at best 4 choice when he signed for us. Maybe if it wasn’t for his injury he might have had some game time, we will never know. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself, but either way, we need to offload some of the back up CBs.


11.) 10 Jul 2021 13:16:55
3 senior defenders going into the season with the hope of giving the youngsters games in the early rounds of the domestic cups. Due to almost unheard of bad luck through injuries we were left with no senior centreback by January with most experts giving us no hope of top 4.We then sign a talented kid on loan "without"an obligation to buy and a player for pennies from the championship who then gets injured. We then achieve top 4 with the loanee and probably our 6th choice centrehalf at the start of the season. Davies and Phillips will likely be sold now for a hefty profit while we bought one of the most promising defenders in the world, leaving us with a group of 4 Centrehalves better than anything in the league. Absolutely top class squad management to me.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - you don't understand the situation nor the Home Grown rules.}


12.) 10 Jul 2021 13:18:31
Keeping Davies as LCB cover will allow us to sell Phillips and loan Rhys. It's interesting that Ed001 and 002 seem to disagree on this point. The lad was unlucky with the injury, so Liverpool did use youngsters. Hope he can stay fit and get some game time so we can finally see what he can offer.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool used the likes of Henderson and Fabinho at CB. Ben Davies did not play a single game.}


13.) 10 Jul 2021 13:55:19
Were grand regarding home grown. Elliot and Jones aren't even counted yet even though they'll get plenty of games. Look Klopp pulled a blinder getting us top 4.Davies will get over it. Big drama about nothing.

{Ed002's Note - You are an idiot - Liverpool had a reduced Champions League squad last season.}


14.) 10 Jul 2021 14:33:48
So would you want us to have a 25 man squad. AND the likes of Neco, Jones, elliott?

{Ed002's Note - Williams won't be there but Liverpool will have to leave players out of their Champions League squad again or fix the problems.}


15.) 10 Jul 2021 14:41:44
Kelleher, Neco, Trent, Gomez, Ox, Hendo, Millie, Jones and Elliott for this season. grand. not counting jones is like Arsenal not counting Saka, or Utd not counting Grenwood. these players are senior players despite their age.


16.) 10 Jul 2021 14:43:45
If you were not pick ahead of rhys last seasons. Good luck trying to be picked next seasons.


17.) 10 Jul 2021 15:49:32
Ben Davies kept picking up injuries did he not? I mean surely it would have been worse management to play him at a level higher than he’s ever played before with a niggling injury?

{Ed002's Note - He made the bench a few times. But a pointless buy.}


18.) 10 Jul 2021 15:56:38
Reminds me of a buy a few years ago, one of the top 6 (cant think who) bought a 24 year old from some championship club. can't remember ever hearing of him again. Anyone remember who it was?


19.) 10 Jul 2021 16:18:04
Aaah it was Michal Hector bought by Josè at Chelsea.


20.) 10 Jul 2021 16:36:29
Nonsense Ed? Klopp was happy with a last minute championship defender? I’m not buying it. I’ll trust in Klopp’s squad management as well too thanks.

{Ed001's Note - ok you obviously know better. Or it could just be that you are as arrogant as you are ignorant and will dismiss anything that doesn't suit you.}


21.) 10 Jul 2021 17:31:43
Look he may stay or go. but at £1.6m for a player who had plenty of interest in him, and who will more than likely turn a nice profit when being sold his signing can hardly be classed as a "huge mistake".


22.) 11 Jul 2021 00:07:49
Last season players for CB position:

-VanDijk (INJURED)
-Gomez (INJURED)
-Matip (INJURED)
-Philips (Played 20 games)
-Rhys (Played 19 games)
-Ozan (Played 13 game)
-Davies (Played 0 Games)

This season

-VanDijk
-Gomez (Likely yo play RB)
-Matip
-Konate
-Philips (Sell)
-Rhys (Loan)
-Davies (? ) Didn't play a single game and doesn't have a place in the team unless 3 players get injured at the same time.

{Ed002's Note - "His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him" - "He has not played" - "A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again"

{Ed002's Note - "Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale"


23.) 11 Jul 2021 15:16:01
The guy kept getting injured which tells me he prolly could not handle the type of training Klopp deploys. Also, we are forgetting that Kabak and Phillips formed a solid partnership for 8 games w/ o a loss so was Davies on the bench during that time? If he was then of course, he stays there. If he was injured at the same time then again, what’s the problem?

We may have issues with squad management but IMO, this whole storm in a tea cup about Davies is way overblown, IMO.


 

 

11 Aug 2016 00:11:49
Anyone know of or seen anything of this fullback Juanma we are supposedly signing?

Westwood666

1.) 11 Aug 2016 02:33:54
He's only 19 so he is probably not what you thought he was going to be.


2.) 11 Aug 2016 04:47:16
Confirmed signing after successful week trial for the U23 team, not first teamer yet and not expected to be this season. It's a left back, just not ready this season.


3.) 11 Aug 2016 08:47:32
Leftbackinthechangies?


4.) 12 Aug 2016 14:22:52
Chilwell was only 18/ 19.


5.) 12 Aug 2016 16:02:29
Watched him play for 60 minutes in the flesh for the U21's against MK Dons. He is very fast and utilised his speed to make a handful of recovery tackles. He also has a nice touch and is neat in possession. His positioning was very weak though and he over ran the ball on a few occasions. Looks a fairly decent, attacking young left back. Whilst I doubt he will get much if any first team action, with our complete lack of depth there, who knows.


6.) 13 Aug 2016 00:55:14
Would love him to be a dark horse and end up a first team regular a la Bellerin. Would certainly cure our left back headache.


 

 

06 Jul 2015 15:52:35
Afternoon eds.
Are we switching our interest in a striker from Benteke to Jovetic?

Westwood666

{Ed002's Note - No.}


1.) 06 Jul 2015 16:50:31
Not sure if he would be interested but Lacazette would be a better fit for our team and when you look at the rumoured transfer fees for him and Benteke it seems a clear one to me.

That said whoever we sign I'll be right behind.


2.) 06 Jul 2015 17:15:52
I totally agree dcal, but i can't see him coming to us. If he doesn't move this summer and has another good season I think he'll be able to pick his own club this time next year.


3.) 06 Jul 2015 20:08:53
I dearly hope we do not sign either of them. If Liverpool are in a position to spend 32m plus wages, then surely there are better achievable options in the current market


4.) 06 Jul 2015 22:23:45
Psynwa - go on then suggest some, that's the whole point genius. If you can't add content and just want to be negative then go play with your toys.


5.) 06 Jul 2015 23:52:03
The people who think Lacazette and Higuain are likely to come to Liverpool are deluded.I do however agree that Benteke is not what we need and we would be better off sticking with what we've got


6.) 07 Jul 2015 02:45:28
I look like to think that Aubamyang, forgive spelling, might be prised away from Dortmund for the amount of money that's being mentioned for Benteke, but nothing's been said about him being a target so wishful thinking I guess. I agree with Dcal, who else is there we could get? Maybe promote Jerome Sinclair? Better hope studge stays fit I guess.


7.) 07 Jul 2015 03:19:47
Higuain and Lacazette won't come to us, we CAN'T stick with what we've got because we need a new quality center forward and there are no real options other than Benteke


8.) 07 Jul 2015 07:35:47
Although I don't think he's worth 32m, I don't see any other option than Benteke. Goal every other game for a team like Villa? With players like Firmino and Coutinho around him I expect him to bing in a few more.


9.) 07 Jul 2015 09:19:19
Benteke is only 24. He's a proven goalscorer in the epl and a real nightmare for defenders. With new coaching staff in place we are obviously going to adopt new ways of playing ball. In part because we have been found out.

So please people, keep the whining to yourselves and support the beast. He might just be exactly what we need.


10.) 07 Jul 2015 10:54:57
I don't mind either. In fact if we could get Jovetic that'd be great because he's half the price. Altho Benteke's performance and form can much clearly be seen than Jove's. Poor thing warming benches at City. Great talent!


11.) 07 Jul 2015 18:31:18
My cousin is a Citeh fan and he hates Jovetic. Says he's lazy. And injury prone. I trust his judgement as he's very knowledgable.

The only positive is that a player exchange would drop the cash price for Stirling and therefore, we have to play QPR less.

{Ed001's Note - not true, the value would be the same.}


 

 

14 Feb 2015 21:33:01
Hi eds. hope all is well.
Quick question, hope you might have an inkling. I would assume the squad needs drastically trimming down in the summer, especially in the striker department.
My question is, with BR seemingly now realising he needs an apparent "plan B" do you think it's likely that one of either Lambert or Mario will be let go, if not both? I consider Borini already gone tbh. I only ask as Mario seems to at least trying recently, and Lambert seems out the picture altogether.
Thanks in advance!

Westwood666

{Ed002's Note - I think Lambert would probably be the firs out of the door. Others need to go to make space for Origi and Ings. Balotelli is keen to stay a few years if other options are not available.}


1.) 14 Feb 2015 21:55:51
So Ed, you're basically saying there's a good chance Ings will be a Liverpool player next season? I'd take that!

{Ed002's Note - See above.}


2.) 15 Feb 2015 04:56:35
If Ed002 just said Rickie may have to make way for Origi and Ings, that implies that Ed002 believes there's a good shout Ings will be a Liverpool player in the summer!


3.) 15 Feb 2015 06:23:05
I would suspect we'd try to move on Aspas and Borini for sure and perhaps Lambert as well. Not sure about Yesil, but he probably needs to move on as well.

Sturridge, Ings, Balotelli, Origi seems like a fair amount of depth to me.


4.) 15 Feb 2015 09:24:15
RDL, i would be happy with Sturridge, Ings, Origi and Balo as well but only if it is the Balo that we saw on the pitch in the last two games. Ings and Origi have little experience on the big stage and pairing them with an established goal scorer will take the pressure off them.


5.) 15 Feb 2015 04:58:14
hi Ed002 regards balo, you say he maybe keen to stay does this co-inside with his last to games has the penny dropped. what do you think or no? I think he could be a good player for us certainly looks good with sturridge. also is brendon starting to like him?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him but are asking far too much money. His agent says the only other option is for him to stay. I think the club need to decide what they want to do with all of these strikers.}


6.) 15 Feb 2015 12:23:02
I think Mario has started to improve recently more because we have a proper striker back on the pitch. Mario is best played in a support role as opposed to being the main man. As long as Sturridge is there, he will continue to look good.


7.) 15 Feb 2015 19:37:14
My personal preference would be to offload Mario, Indian Buzzer, but I can't see anyone really wanting him so I think he may be here another year.


8.) 16 Feb 2015 10:34:10
hello Ed002, is that 'far too much money' more than what we paid for him?

{Ed002's Note - The amount is unimportant, but it is far too much. Liverpool will have a better idea about Ings in a week or two - Moyes is trying to get him to sign a pre-contract.}


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2022 16:51:44
Righto. So who is everyone’s preferred target to replace Salah next year? I just read an interesting article that compares stats of Salah at Roma before he joined and style of play that raised some interesting ideas.
Bowen was the obvious one, and probably my preferred choice if possible however Moussa Diaby was also mentioned alongside Chiesa and Saka. Any thoughts on these any others?

Westwood666

1.) 23 Jun 2022 17:01:51
If money is no object then Bowen has been the player i've suggested for nearly 2 years. Wanted him when we sold Shaqiri. However his career has taken off and now he's probably going to be valued at £100m by next summer. So I'd keep on eye on Neto and Olise next season and go for one of them if their niggling injuries clear up.


2.) 23 Jun 2022 17:13:50
Probably someone who plays in the Portuguese league that we haven't heard of yet but who is about to have an incredible season!

Or, perhaps we have a complete change of system. Maybe someone like Carvalho takes Salah's place and we buy a new CM or someone more central like an Nkunku.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a surprise!


3.) 23 Jun 2022 17:21:26
12 Months is also a very long time in football. I mean who really had heard of Diaz or Nunez 12 months ago. Let's get this season started first and see how the new guys bed in.


4.) 23 Jun 2022 17:36:47
I have big hopes for elliot and carvalho. and personally think 1 of those is going to claim his spot. And if his form from the end of the season continues it might be sooner than he thinks. Hopefully not.


5.) 23 Jun 2022 18:06:07
Bowen had a stand out season last year but very much with English players he’s just as likely to have an average season next year as he is as good or better.

If he has as good or better a season then I think he might come into the conversation but if we’re buying off 1 good Premier league season then Michu will be cheaper ?.


6.) 23 Jun 2022 18:19:19
Martenelli from Arsenal looks a good player ot will we go back to Adama?


7.) 23 Jun 2022 18:30:58
Sadio Mane.


8.) 23 Jun 2022 19:06:25
I really think Antony from Ajax have the potential to be special, not the same type of player but could be a great player under Klopp.


9.) 23 Jun 2022 19:38:26
Given the club-record fee paid and the 6 year contract signed, I think there will be a tremendous amount of pressure on Nunez, and Klopp and coaching staff, for him to hit the ground running and produce. As such, I see some of the emphasis shifting from the wingers and more towards the center, with our fullbacks continuing to bomb forward and cross. So I don't see the club going for a like for like replacement for Salah (it's not like there are many, anyway) . Clearly our attack is in its "transition" phase (am surprised nobody has used that word), so Klopp will have to manage it very delicately.

The new guy over at ManC will be banging in the goals from day one, because that's what he does everywhere he goes. So it will be crucial for our guy to do just as much, and hope that Salah, Jota, Diaz and Firmino keep up or even improve on their previous levels.

£100 Million sounds outrageous to me, for Bowen. He's good, no doubt, but not twice as good as the £40-50 Million guys, that we've had, still have and are out there playing for other clubs.


10.) 23 Jun 2022 19:38:45
We might not need a similar player to salah, as we might change the formation. We will probably see less goals from the wing and more from the AM and striker position. I would go with paqueta. He is an AM by trade, but can play Any position from midfield and forward. He is similar to firmino.


11.) 23 Jun 2022 20:00:28
But sure doesn't Neto play on the left Adam?


12.) 23 Jun 2022 20:32:22
ArAy, a lot of people are focusing on Haaland but I have a feeling Julian Alvarez will do extremely well. People seem to forget City bought him and he has gone under the radar, but he looks an excellent signing, though he'll probably be crap now I've said that!


13.) 23 Jun 2022 21:38:24
Stuie_boy, I haven't forgotten about Alvarez. Have never seen him play, but he's at the top of almost every Gen Next list I've seen, so I trust he's talented enough. Either ManC are planning on moving Haaland on in 2-3 years to Madrid or Barcelona (he will end up there one way or another) or it's just standard operating procedure for them to have 2 top players for each position. You remember Aguero was uncontested at the time, but they still went out and got Gabriel Jesus anyway? It's clearly their recruitment strategy.


14.) 23 Jun 2022 21:42:43
RedFuzz, I like Paqueta too. But I think Klopp will groom Elliott for that AM position. Anyway, after what we did with Fekir, I doubt the Lyon owner (Aulas) will let us anywhere near his stadium or building for any negotiations, LOL.


15.) 23 Jun 2022 21:57:39
Interesting reads. Always interesting to read others opinions, especially when they change regularly. Since I made my original post Iv actually changed my mind and I think Diaby would be best! Guess we’ll find out this time next year!


16.) 23 Jun 2022 22:12:04
Chiesa for me but i don't think he'd come! i like Saka but i'd hate to see us paying the bones of £100m for him when we have Gordon coming through. Best case scenario would be if Salah signed on till Gordon was of an age that he'd be ready. Whoever replaces him though is going to struggle to get near his numbers.


17.) 23 Jun 2022 23:36:15
If we are buying to replace salah. try moussa diaby or Antony. Both exceptionally talented and young. shrewd investment. Salah has no intentions of signing and think elliot or carvalho will claim salahs spot. Are the club looking to move salah on now?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


18.) 24 Jun 2022 06:33:15
I think moussa Diaby right now.


19.) 24 Jun 2022 07:46:58
You're correct Barry. Neto plays mainly on the left and is left. However, Salah is a left footer who played on the left before we signed him (and Mane played on the right at Southampton) . I don't really focus on what position players play in for their current club. I prefer to look at their skillset to decide if they'd fit into our team.

{Ed077's Note - "Salah is a left footer who played on the left before we signed him" Thats incorrect. Did you ever watch him play in Italy?


20.) 24 Jun 2022 08:16:29
I watched 4 or 5 full games of Moussa Diaby at Leverkusen. can't believe anyone on earth would want him to replace Salah. He is not anywhere near good enough to play for Everton let alone replace Salah. Please stop watching highlights and thinking a player is great because of them. Jeez.


21.) 24 Jun 2022 09:22:35
If I could choose anyone it would be Chiesa everytime, such a good footballer.


22.) 24 Jun 2022 09:55:43
Aray haven't lyon got new owners now?


23.) 24 Jun 2022 10:47:42
Oh, do they? I didn't know.

{Ed001's Note - just about to be bought yes. Shows you don't read my review of the day there ArAy!}


24.) 24 Jun 2022 11:00:31
MKS, Salah played on the right at first with Roma (cos that's where he played at Fiorentina before hand) . And then, he played behind Dzeko at Roma when Luciano Spaletti took over. There's a reason Dzeko was nearly in tears when Salah left cos he was his foil and took the pressure off him which allowed him to be Serie A leading scorer in 16/ 17.

As for who I would like to replace Salah, Chiesa would be my choice BUT he is recovering from a bad injury and Juve won't sell, IMO.


25.) 24 Jun 2022 08:04:46
Although Salah has mainly been a RW since moving to Basel, Salah did start his career as a LB to be fair to MK.


26.) 24 Jun 2022 08:21:19
Not a lot Ed077 but that doesn't really alter my point. I did double check though and you are corect; Salah's only played LW 20 times in his career. Either way Mane played RW for Southampton and LW for us, Gini played LM for Newcastle and CM for us, Firmino played AM/ LM for Hoffenheim and ST for us, Lallana played LM for Southampton and CM for us etc. List goes on and on of players who changed position when signing for another club.

I still stand by my statement that Neto would potentially be great for us on the RW (next summer) if he can stay fit and kick on next season.

{Ed077's Note - see, you could have used so many examples but chose the one that is factually incorrect in the first post. Saying Salah is (played) LW would be like saying Caulker is a ST.

An on Neto, I think pre injury he looked a great prospect and hopefully he can get back firing next season after missing most of last season.


27.) 24 Jun 2022 18:15:21
I'll be honest Ed001, I used to do it every day. But of late, I've been skipping it preferring to read the jousting that goes on over transfers and rumours. You already caught me once before when I commented about Eriksen being allowed to play once again. I will go back to reading them. I admit there's always a couple of new and interesting tidbits in there.

{Ed001's Note - I was only joking mate, though obviously I would prefer people to read them, as they do take a lot of time and effort to put together.}


28.) 24 Jun 2022 19:21:37
Ed001, your efforts are always appreciated, but if I may ask for one thing, it is that you stay as far away as possible from any new superstitions and continue writing those post game reviews. Seriously. They are the highlight of the week on these pages. And maybe expand it to include all cup and European games too (okay, maybe that's asking for too much) .

{Ed001's Note - hopefully next season I should be back to writing them, all being well.}


29.) 24 Jun 2022 21:24:57
It's called a difference of opinion Malak.

Fact is there's no clear cut ready made Salah replacement that I see. Maybe raphina is best placed but I suspect he moves elsewhere.

I'd like a young raw player with the potential to become a Salah.

My own personal opinion is that's not Antony. He s neat and tidy. Reminds me of Sancho. He not fast enough for what I would want. Decent but nothing massively special as you think. I don't think he ll turn out to be the player you think he is.

One thing you can't deny about Diaby is his super quick. Easily a level or two above Antony's speed. Antony doesn't really dribble past players. He can get a little bit past to cross or get a shot off but Diaby can literally leave you for dead. He's got great energy and that low center of gravity. He also has good power to his shooting. He needs some polish but I honestly think he has some serious ability and a sky high ceiling.

But hey, klopp could easily have another idea to us and I'm sure he'll be right.


30.) 25 Jun 2022 00:40:20
Haaland.
I know he doesn't play in Salah's position but it would annoy City if we signed him.


 

 

30 May 2022 19:48:03
Hi Ed001. Simple question. You said earlier today you think last year would have been the right time to sell Mane as he had started to diminish. Do you think the same could be said about Salah this summer? I might get roasted for this and perhaps he is tired but personally I have seen enough in the last 4-5 months to be happy selling him on if a half decent offer came in. He seems to have lost his pace completely and I believe he was far more reliant on that than Mane ever was.

Westwood666

{Ed001's Note - my plan would have been to sell Mane last summer and Salah this, to allow us to evolve the front 3. Now it would be a huge upheaval to lose both at once. As for Salah, he has shown his pace at times, but teams are not giving him the space any more to utilise it and he does looks tired. He needs a rest in the summer.}


1.) 31 May 2022 00:21:12
We've had the best years out of Mane and Salah. They will move on one day anyway. Their signings have worked out for both us and them. I don't get what all the fuss is about.
They've helped put us where we are, they get paid and win trophies but they can't go on forever.


2.) 31 May 2022 00:16:36
Cheers Ed. Let’s hope he kicks on then I guess. Just hope we don’t lose him for nothing.

{Ed001's Note - if he goes on a free, good luck to him. I don't see that it matters to us really. The only thing that should matter is what is best for the team. If you constantly worry about the economic side of transfers you end up like Chelsea, with a bloated squad full of players they hang on to years past the date they should sell them. Sometimes you are best to just take a hit on cost and move on, like a shop selling off products cheap at the end of a season even though those products would be worth a lot more if they just held onto them a few years and then put them back on sale. It is just not worth having them hanging round in the meantime, better to have ready cash in the bank to aid liquidity.}


3.) 31 May 2022 00:57:57
I don't get all this 'cashing im' talk. If we give a player a five year contract we should expect to honour it. If the player serves his time, they are no longer ours and we can't cash in on them.
We can't give out five year contracts on the understanding that it'll be four years and we're going to sell you to somewhere you mightn't want to go to keep the forums happy.
The Mbappes of this world would soon cotton on to us.


4.) 31 May 2022 04:42:01
It'd be nice to see Mo evolve his game and be less reliant on his out and out pace. I see he does it in spurts, but as he ages he'll need to add this to his game along with some guile etc.

Ed1 perhaps this is your Mane one year Mo the next year plan happening a year later!? Also I feel like there might be a chance that if Mane goes, then we don't bring someone up front but rather rely on Bobby, Jota, Mo, Diaz, Elliot, Carvalho? and then we bolster the midfield instead?

I wonder if that decision making depends largely on who is available this summer?

{Ed001's Note - that seems to be the way it is going, one this summer, one next. It will be a sad day but Diaz has already softened the loss.}


5.) 31 May 2022 08:11:19
IMO if Mane goes we will need another top striker to compete with ManCity and others over a whole season especially with the WC in between.

ManCity have just won league and have bought two strikers and planning to buy two more. That strength in depth is what have them the edge this year I feel and will only get harder next year.

Plus Another RB and midfielder and fingers crossed Elliott and Cav from Fulham hit ground running.

Should be another Liverpool rollercoaster and lots of fun!


6.) 31 May 2022 08:38:18
Ed0001 Salah does need a rest but he is super professional and fit so he will be ready for the start of the season and after the silly mid season world when lots of players will come back with injuries and being tied Mo will be flying. So if he does leave next season I see it being after a great season.

{Ed001's Note - I hope so mate.}


7.) 31 May 2022 08:47:33
Bayern have reportedly offered 25 mill for a 30 year old Mane due to his contract situation.

I think we should counter that offer with a 8 mill bid for a 34 year old Lewandowski due to his contract situation.

The fact that Bayern have said they wouldn’t even accept 45 mill for Lewandowski, should be the starting point we look at if we enter negotiations with them for Mane.


8.) 31 May 2022 10:43:19
Had a quick run through Mo's numbers since he been here. I know this isn't an exact science but basically on average Mo scores 5 less goals in second half of season compared to the first. Does remarkably well and then tails off slightly for whatever reason. Could be a pattern there but it is true to say that there is pattern that he is a handful to start the year. So what happens after the halfway mark!?


9.) 31 May 2022 17:25:13
Ed01, I didn't see both Salah and Mane leaving in one summer either and it seems the one out this summer and the other out next summer will be the way to go. What happens now is how we react in the TW cos for me, we are not far off at all from were we want to be.

IMO, We need to improve in certain areas actually on the pitch like better goal efficiency, better decision-making in all three phases of play and most of all, seeing out games cos We lost 10 points from winning positions while City lost JUST 2 points and we lose the league to City by 1 point. No need to be a genius to connect the dots cos there's your league title right there and I haven't even mentioned transfers yet.


 

 

23 May 2022 12:20:48
So Carvalho is officially done. Where do you think he will fit in Ed01? I haven't seen him play in a game but from the highlight reels I can’t really place his position. Is he a winger, a midfielder, a false 9? I previously put on here I saw him more as a midfielder but that wasn’t really based on anything! Who in our team is he most like? Thanks in advance.

Westwood666

{Ed001's Note - he is a midfielder, very attack-minded, so could end up as a false 9 type player or drop a little deeper into central midfield. Perhaps we could even tweak the system to play 2 deep and 1 in front in midfield to give him freedom. He is still young enough to adapt his position a lot.}


1.) 23 May 2022 12:46:01
The future looks very bright with him, Elliott, Jones, TAA. I'm sure there are a couple in the academy that will contribute as well. Very exciting to see these players develop.


2.) 23 May 2022 13:10:07
So do you think the interest in Tchouameni is because of carvalho in a way so we can play two sitting him and him in front? . Or can he play centre mid?

{Ed001's Note - he can play centre-mid.}


3.) 23 May 2022 14:56:16
Tchouameni is off to Madrid, I’d say our interest is dead.


4.) 23 May 2022 15:09:04
Looks like a real bargain again.


5.) 23 May 2022 16:53:13
Thanks Ed. I would love for us to change the system to more of a 4231. I think it would maintain our midfield dominance and allow the wing backs to get forward whilst also giving us that 10 position that I feel we lack sometimes. I sort of always saw Elliot in that role though to be honest. Either way it’s an exciting purchase. I hope we continue to seek these young talents and give them a chance!


6.) 23 May 2022 23:12:20
Tchouameni can also play the 8 as well as the 6 so hopefully he signs for us.


 

 

04 May 2022 19:30:42
Hi Ed01 and all on here. What do you all think will be Jota’s long term preferred/ most effective position? He scores goals when played through the middle but doesn’t seem as effective when out wide with him not making many assists. Problem then is he doesn’t really have the link up play to play the typical Bobby role, IMO anyway. Mane does however and seems more effective to me through the middle than out wide these days with his pace slowly diminishing. Causes a bit of an issue with his eventual position I think. Do you think we will change tactics or rotate to suit the opposition like we do with Konate and Matip? Interested to hear thoughts on this one.

Westwood666

{Ed001's Note - the bench or another club for me. I just don't think he is a very good player, his touch is horrible, he doesn't press well, he can't pass, he just doesn't fit our team.}


1.) 05 May 2022 03:29:16
I’d agree with Ed001 on this. What’s concerning with Jota is that his weaknesses are quite obvious yet show no real improvement. In any case, Jota’s ability to score goals will make him an important player for someone, but we are absolutely a better side with him not in it.
A Diaz-Mané-Salah forward line is borderline illegal. What are your thoughts on Mané as a CF, Ed? I honestly feel like he is an elite first touch away from being the world’s best striker.

{Ed001's Note - I like Mane a lot there. He was exceptional on the right, better on the left and now is still doing it in the middle. We are lucky to have him.}


2.) 05 May 2022 04:19:07
You take Jota's goals out and your left with absolutely nothing. He brings nothing to the team.


3.) 05 May 2022 05:47:39
Right Barry,
You take out Jota’s goals and we finish midtable this time 😌😌.


4.) 05 May 2022 06:34:21
Your right TT I never thought of that 🙄.


5.) 05 May 2022 06:43:23
I find this Jota bashing unbelievable. He's scored so many important goals and has been brilliant at times. Massively disrespectful imo. He may need to improve in certain areas and everyone has their opinion which I respect to a degree but I just don't get it this time.


6.) 05 May 2022 06:54:22
Did Pep, our Pep not the other one, not say that Jota was a "pressing machine" when he signed?


7.) 05 May 2022 07:05:03
Marty, no one has said anything disrespectful about Jota. Everyone recognizes his ability in front of goal, he is capable of scoring frequently. But if we can give him (deserved) credit for his goalscoring, surely it’s not disrespectful to point out his weaknesses as a player.


8.) 05 May 2022 07:14:46
Origi doesn’t offer much except an important goal once in a blue moon.

Jota doesn’t offer much except 20 plus important goals a season.

1 player needs selling and the other a new contract.


9.) 05 May 2022 07:39:48
I’ve been saying this for the few months. Jota will help Liverpool win 1-0 with an important goal but we would have won 3-0 if he wasn’t playing. I love the guy for what he has done this season but I would cash in and reinforce / reinvest money into midfield.


10.) 05 May 2022 07:52:12
Makes me laugh on here, jota may not b even the most exciting player player but he does what he’s paid to do and score goals. Our front options are incredible. Just to put things into a little bit of perspective, jota has scored 24 goals for Liverpool while he’s been here and people would be happy to move him on. Origi has scored 22 and people are gutted he’s going!


11.) 05 May 2022 07:59:46
Jota and Salah kept us winning when Mane and Bobby were getting the call to get sold before January, his link up can be poor and he does break moves down, just as Bobby was doing for the last season and a bit, we are playing the maximum amount of games and have closer than anyone to ever win it all, he has been a good signing and helped us to this achievement, he isn;t on Mane Salah or Diaz level but who is?


12.) 05 May 2022 08:04:47
We’ve currently got 7 forwards

3 of those have 14 months left on their contracts.

1 has 2 months left on their contract.

1 has played 89 mins of league football this season

1 has 27 goals and assists but we want to sell.

We could win up to the quadruple and end up losing 5 forwards in the summer then.

Big season for Mino next year 🤣.


13.) 05 May 2022 08:49:40
Ed001 am not a big Jota fan and been saying the same thing all season even before Diaz I wanted Bobby back up front. I hope we don’t do an Origi with Jota and keep him to long, Origi as much as I love him and all ways will after the champions league win he should have gone then when his value was at its highest. Jota needs to go this summer am sure we would get very good money this season because loads of people seem blinded by the goals and don’t see the rest of the game his played.


14.) 05 May 2022 08:54:15
Interesting reading.
Would you have anyone in mind to replace Jota with Ed?
If Origi, and possibly Minamino leaves, and with several other forwards’ contracts up in the air too, then possibly this leaves Jota in a relatively strong position?
Next Summer might be a different matter but I think Jota is ok for now, at least.
We’ve been so lucky with injuries this year, I wouldn’t be so quick to turn our noses up at him.
He certainly did great for us during the Afcon absences too.
I agree that the brilliance of Diaz has shone a light on Jota though.

{Ed001's Note - Nunez probably.}


15.) 05 May 2022 08:59:36
I find it absolutely incredible that people would want to sell Jota. He doesn't have to be great in the build up play if he scores 20+ goals a season from about 80 chances. He's the best finisher at the club.

For years people have been banging on about our lack of a plan B. Now we quite literally have a player who bags headers for fun without just being a lump, and everyone wants him shot because he doesn't quite fit plan A in every facet of his game.

I can't. I just can't. I'm with Marty in that i will respect differences of opinion, but sometimes opinions come across as deliberate attempts to go against the grain and stand out. I quite like our 20 goal a season 4th choice striker, personally. So thank god none of you are in charge of decisions at Liverpool 😂.

{Ed001's Note - it is not that he is not great, it is that he is ducking awful in the build up play. He is a liability as attack after attack breaks down when he fluffs a 5 yard simple pass.}


16.) 05 May 2022 09:11:38
IMO, I don't think anyone is bashing Jota. They are just calling out the flaws in his game which is not , really. As a striker in our system, you have to be able to do MORE and expand your role, end of. Why? The others have/ are currently doing it. If you cannot do that then, sure we will take the goals BUT what if you don't score or are going thru a sticky patch in front of goal? You're going to have to be able to contribute something, anything and Jota is simply NOT improving here, as Ed01 has said and I agree.

Now does that mean he should be sold? No, IMO. It simply means he needs to shape up and fix up quick cos Mane, Bobbie and Salah have all expanded their repertoire and esp. Mane has been reborn and is now Balon D'Or worthy. So what will be Jota's excuse if he can't do the same thing as in, improve his all round game and the goals dry up?


17.) 05 May 2022 09:21:47
I must admit, Jota is one of them for me. Is he a good player? it's really debatable because he knows where the goal is and that's his job. Put everything else into the mix, is he a good player? no he is not and he frustrates me at times but I don't want rid of him anytime soon, not when he scores like he is doing, he must stay. I have no idea about stats and not really interested in them but at the same time I think of if it weren't for Jota this season would we be in the positions we're currently in? we wouldn't. He's one of them players who gets the goals and helped us compete at the highest level, he gets my support.


18.) 05 May 2022 09:44:38
I find it kinda funny, that not long ago a lot of people were screaming for an out-and-out striker who could score goals. In terms of that Jota's goals speak for themselves. I honestly don't get it. On that merit alone, I wouldn't want to get rid. I get that there are parts of his game he could and should improve to be a constant starter. But at the very least, he could be an amazing super sub - I remember seeing him on the bench, sitting with the feeling that if he came on, he'd score.

I get that Origi is a cult hero, and I love him too, but isn't that exactly what we wanted him to be? A super sub capable of getting 15+ goals a season off the bench. I'd say Jota is a more capable player than Origi (and I'll probably be slaughtered for it) . And now people want him gone? Again, I don't get it.


19.) 05 May 2022 09:56:52
I don't see why we would change anything with our front five (assuming Origi leaves) right now and for next season. For the first time in ages we have more than just three who can play at the top level in the biggest matches. They all offer something different and, whilst the original three are now at or near to 30 years old, Diaz and Jota are young and offer some continuity for the longer term.

Now, about Jota. Sure, he isn't Salah or Mane or Firmino or Diaz. But:

Signed for £45m
21 goals in all comps this season. 15 in the league
4th highest scorer in the league.
Three points worse off without his goals this season
Scores in big matches at important times against big opposition
League goals against City, Utd, Arsenal, Spurs
Scored the winner, a poachers goal, in the tight FA Cup quarter final against Forest.
Scored in the tight Carabao Cup quarter final against Leicester
Scored both goals in the tight two-legged Carabao Cup semi-final against Arsenal.

So I know it doesn't work quite like this but unless you can say for certain that someone else would have been in exactly the same place as Jota and been able to take those chances, you could stretch it to say that three of the four trophies we're going for could already be gone without Jota's goals.

I can't fathom for one moment why any Liverpool supporter would advocate selling Jota, or suggest that he is anything other than a very important part of what has become a very good squad and a brilliant selection of attacking options. Doesn't mean he's our best striker or going to do the same things that Salah or Diaz do, but I would argue if you need a poacher to get you a goal in a tight match, he's ahead of the others in that respect.

And on Mane. He is flying right now. It's been so great to see him rejuvenated but six months ago, a lot (I would say most), including me I have to say, appeared to think he had run his course with Liverpool and he was appearing on the "out" list for a lot of people.


20.) 05 May 2022 10:38:26
Oli red calming everyone that criticizing your own player is acceptable after all 😀😀. Oh my god who saw that coming.


21.) 05 May 2022 10:49:52
Just ask the lads not to pass him the ball until he’s in shooting range then because I’m fed up watching all the fancy flicks mane and salah and bobby always try instead of just passing the ball to each other and the move breaks down but it doesn’t get a mention. Jota has his faults as everyone agrees with but let’s not make mountains out of molehills. And him scoring and the other forwards scoring dispels the MYTH that bobby the 5 goals a year striker is the reason salah and mane score so many because well we’ve had a year of evidence now that proves that’s not the case mane has scored more and salah is still top of the pops and jota has scored his 20+. We are class it won’t be this good again for another 30 years. Who cares about x or y being right or wrong, jurgen knows and that’s all we need.


22.) 05 May 2022 10:51:55
As a striker in our system you have to do more.

I think as any player in our system Klopp decides what you need to do and what you bring to the party and he seems more than happy with what Jota does.

Just look at the minutes Origi, Mino and Ox etc get compared to Jota. Klopp doesn’t give out minutes like it’s a charity.

Personally I’d love to see all 5 forward stay and compete but Mane, Bobby and Salah seem currently the most as risk to leave because they’ve either yet to be offered a new contract or haven’t signed one.


23.) 05 May 2022 10:59:51
One thing I'll add to this debate about Jota is that out of all the goals he's scored this season only is that they have all, with the exception of the 4th at Goodison in the Derby, been 1st goals of games, 2nd goals in games or equalising goals. For some that'd be priceless to have. Doesn't it just show how good we actually are now that we can nit pick over these aspects of a players game. For years we'd have just accepted it as part of his game.


24.) 05 May 2022 11:01:17
Jota scores 1 important goal when we would've scored 3 without him. I reckon that's the best comment on here. I'd sooner sell Jota and keep Origi if the skies stayed blue.


25.) 05 May 2022 11:18:57
Harry, you're doing too much trying to trigger people on here. Take a day off and go to the Etihad the real team you support plays. I heard your fellow fans are there right now observing a long moment of silence after Pep your manager, bottled his UPTEENTH CL knockout game.


26.) 05 May 2022 11:42:47
I don't see any Jota bashing either. This started off as a comparison of skills amongst our front line, and that's basically it. We all agree that the Jota scores loads of goals. The numbers don't lie. And most of us have noticed that he's not really good at everything else. Like he's the opposite of Firmino. Bobby doesn't score much, but boy does he make the midfield and the front boys tick. Firmino makes the wheels in our machine keep turning. And Mané is now doing the same thing from that CF position. Jota is 5th starter for me after Salah, Mané, Diaz and Firmino. I will never say to sell him, because I do value his goals. But if we're going to have a hierarchy in our front line then that's how I see it.

{Ed0666's Note - I have no problem saying we should sell Jota immediately with the money he brings in we could get a player who also scores goals and can pass accurately, press, have a decent first touch and some footballing IQ


27.) 05 May 2022 11:48:37
JK, I am not debating about what Klopp's choices, his needs/ wants etc. are nor with whom. Im talking about the parts of Jota's game that is hinders us at times in the way we play, as Ed01 and many others have alluded to so let's stick with the topic at hand.

My point remains that he needs to improve on his all round game just like the OG front three did and are still doing. Surely, Klopp has a lot to do with that., no? Now for ex., I watched the Newcastle game and even tho Jota missed a one v one with the goalie, I thought his overall play was very good with the way he held the ball up, ran the channels, occupied CB's way bigger than him and kept us on the front foot. Oh and that thru ball to Keita for the goal was sublime. That's what Im talking about, bro.

So even if he did not score (goalscoring is what you're stuck on, IMO) and missed a one on one, his all round play was of great use to us overall. As a striker for me, you CANNOT be a bystander just cos you aren't scoring goals. You got to be able to do other things than scoring goals. That is what I want from him cos he has no issues scoring goals when the chances come for the most part, clearly.


28.) 05 May 2022 11:58:58
How can anyone say Jota isn’t good enough? It’s baffling to me!
When Sadio and Mo went to AFCON we were supposed to drop off because we can’t score without them. Who stepped up? Jota stepped up.
He is different to the other strikers yes but is that not a good thing? We don’t want 6 players who all do the same thing do we? For years we’ve said we need a fox in the box that can come in a nick us a goal. Jota is that player!
Honestly I’m lost for words with some so called fans it beggars belief.

{Ed0666's Note - I have no problem saying he’s not good enough


29.) 05 May 2022 12:03:42
Quite simply, we’ve looked a much better team since the Diaz-Mane-Salah forward line became a thing, more like what you could call ‘vintage Liverpool’.

Diaz and Mane have shown the way for what the standards are in both of the positions they are now playing, neither are as direct a goal threat as Jota and yet we now seem to be battering teams whenever they are on the pitch. Contrastingly, when Jota is on the pitch we don’t ever seem to have control of a game.

I always felt that a lot of this season we appeared to be more functional as opposed to free flowing and while Jota being out of the team is certainly not the only reason for our upturn in form, there is a noticeable and observable difference at the top end of the pitch because of it. We retain the ball much better, we press the opponent much better, we link up and create much better.

I will admit Jota’s runs can be devastating and are sometimes very good at creating space for others, but it’s not enough. He can’t press, he can’t pass, he can scarcely even control the ball properly sometimes. The worst bit of it is that he isn’t even looking in the right direction when it comes to linking up with other players, like he isn’t even aware of what he should be doing, the body language of the other forwards upon receiving the ball is completely different. When is on the pitch I don’t feel like our other forwards can be bothered to press, simply because they know they won’t get the backing from him and it isn’t going to work. We stand off a lot more and let teams back into the game as a result.

It would be one thing if we’d just signed him, but he’s been here 2 years now and doesn’t seem to be getting any better. When he takes to the pitch now i’m actually worried we’re going to lose control of the game. For people saying ‘how can you complain that’s what strikers are meant to do’, strikers that just stand in the box and wait are a thing of the past. You can’t get away with it in the modern day, with the developments in tactics and fitness.

Look at how United have suffered for bringing back Ronaldo, the man scores goals but they look as though they play with 10 men at times. See also ‘Lukaku and Chelsea’. Contrastingly, all of the worlds best centre forwards are more than just goalscorers. Lewandowski, Kane, Benzema, all are excellent link players and combine really well with the players around them, on top of being lethal goalscorers. I actually have a hunch that City will find they have a problem when they bring in Haaland, who will no doubt get them some goals but they may find they lose control, fluidity and defensive acumen when he is in the side.

I don’t really know where we go from here with Jota, i doubt the club will have the balls to sell him and Klopp often seems to keep players around that I don’t rate, I hope he will get better as he is an effective forward but I think the side is evolving without him as it stands. It’s a worrying predicament for sure.


30.) 05 May 2022 12:32:56
Unbelievable from some 'supporters' on here. The lad has done brilliantly and everyone wants him gone! You can't win here it seems. I think Jota is decent and his goals prove that but let's get rid hey. He can improve the other parts of his game I'm sure and without him we would be to far away from city to have a chance to win the league.


31.) 05 May 2022 13:06:40
Oli all opinions mate and my point also sticks.

Klopp picks the side and he’s seemed happy to pick Jota a couple of times this season. Whether that continues next season then only time will tell I suppose.

I 100% agree with everyone that Jota’s passing needs improvement and he’s actually got 2 assists in his last 3 league games so maybe there’s improvement there that we’re not seeing.

If you look at their pass percentage success rate Mane 78%, Salah 80%, Bobby 79% and Jota 75% their not all actually that far off each other. It’s amazing how 4% passing changes from being terrible to makes the whole team tick.

Tue night we broke through and Mane gave the ball to Salah and we were 5 against 2. Salah chose to cut back in towards the 2 defenders and try and take the chance himself when clearly the better option was to pass for a more or less guaranteed goal. If that had been Jota then there would be uproar but as it’s Mo it’s not been mentioned once.

I just think if we’re going to judge the players it should be on and even keel.

{Ed0666's Note - isn’t Gravenberch going to Munchen?


32.) 05 May 2022 13:15:40
Ed do you think it is likely Jota will be sold this summer? There are a couple of other forwards who will be leaving and I don't see Klopp wanting to cause too much disruption when the team is playing well at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - no I don't see him moving on this summer.}


33.) 05 May 2022 14:08:26
I think a lot of it is in the eye of the beholder but for comparison, and for those who suggest that Jota doesn't give us anything other than 20+ goals a season.

Mane this season in all comps: 20 goals and 3 assists in 29 appearances, 79% pass completion

Jota this season in all comps: 21 goals and 6 assists in 24 appearances. 76% pass completion.

So Jota has played less but scored more goals and has twice as many assists as Mane. Pass completion roughly similar. I know that doesn't give the full view of how they feature in link up play, where the key passes are made and how much players press or track back, but it's interesting context for the discussion I think.


34.) 05 May 2022 14:12:10
Whilst I do agree that Jota has not developed his game in terms of being a reliable connector and protector of the ball, I would say it's harsh to assume he cannot improve there. It's an incredibly difficult position to play in our system. Jota seems like an intelligent guy and you cannot question his effort. You could also argue he's been a bit unlucky being described first as Mane's successor, then Bobby's successor and more recently has been shunted around the front 3 positions since Diaz's arrival. Mane playing at no9, Bobby's injury issues and Diaz coming in were clearly not planned in pre-season - so have to feel for him a little as he is the one that gets moved around.

Bottom line is that right now, he's not as good as Sadio and Bobby in the no9 and not as good as Diaz on the left. Hopefully he can work on his game during pre-season and improve. No better place for it than Liverpool.

Finally, you cannot argue with his goal tally this season. Some big goals too.


35.) 05 May 2022 15:45:43
We do realise Bobbys only started 9 league games and 2 CL games this season.

That’s some influence to get to 1 point off top and into a CL final.


36.) 05 May 2022 16:29:41
Beckers Pecker, calm down and bin the faux outrage, man. Nobody has said Jota is a bad player or is not good enuff. All we are saying is that his link-up and all round play needs to improve as IMO, it is getting worse. That's all.


37.) 05 May 2022 14:50:29
Ed0666, would you have a problem saying that you would sell Jota? 😂😂😂.

{Ed0666's Note - mate just look at diaz’ work rate and compare it with Jota’s. Diaz has pushed that bar Jota needs to up his game.


38.) 05 May 2022 22:49:44
Wow some very interesting reading from all on here and the Ed’s. This is why I love this site even when there are some toxic people about at times. I would hope there is enough potential for improvement in Jota’s all around game so he can work on his shortcomings. Given we were all surprised with how well he settled and started scoring regularly I would be loath to replace him with someone unproven in the premier league, especially given I have for a while longed for a proper striker in the team. Now we have that natural finisher I wouldn’t want him to leave. That’s said I think the front 3 or Diaz, Mane and Salah are pretty undroppable right now.

{Ed0666's Note - good point Westwood. We have to give Jota the benefit of the doubt and give him the chance to play himself back into form like we did mane


 

 

18 Mar 2022 20:04:17
Just wanted to say that I have been an outspoken critic of Bobby in recent seasons. Love him to death for his prior form but the last few years it is been waning and the link up play that made him so invaluable was running dry.
When he came in v Arsenal he was back to his old self and it was great to watch. I’m not talking about his goal either as I don’t judge him by that. He just played great and I loved it. Long nay it continue as if he gets back to his old form he could stay with us for a while yet, likely far longer than both Mane and Salah who’s pace will both wane eventually.

Westwood666

1.) 18 Mar 2022 20:25:22
I thought Bobby started of the season quite well. He was unfortunate to get injured and has struggled to get a look in since. We will need all our players between now and the end of the season. Its hard not to admire Firmino. He plays football the right way and with the right attitude.


2.) 18 Mar 2022 20:54:43
I also don’t really get the shouts about Bobby’s demise, based on form at least.

In 2019/ 20, where some people claim his decline started, i distinctly remember his first half of the season was some of the best form he’d ever showed. Second half of the season was mixed but most of the criticism came down to the not scoring at home thing, even though his away record was really good. Sure he scuffed a lot of shots, but his all round play was great.

2020/ 21, he was rubbish and suffered in the same conditions many great players did; Alisson, Trent, Robbo, Mane, and that’s just if you’re talking about Liverpool players. In my mind i don’t count it as a real season of football tbh.

This season he’s looked pretty good in spurts, but then gets injured immediately after. That’s where the concern lies for me, not in his form, but as to whether a previously ever-available player is suffering from their body breaking down.

Bobby is still very capable of doing Bobby things, it’s just about whether he can stay fit enough to be able to contribute consistently. I’m sure we’ll see him lots in the run in if he does.


3.) 18 Mar 2022 21:11:13
Westwood, don’t no what your seeing. Bobby pivotal to the team even when his flicks and tricks don’t come off. If he’s fit he starts v city and all the big games ahead. It will be like when Hansen retired when Bobby stops playing for us.


4.) 18 Mar 2022 21:50:40
I'll be fair to bobby he's done half decent when he's been called upon this season. He's had games where he has been unnoticeable too though.
He should of gone 2 years ago atleast though. 100% has to go this summer.
Not knocking him but to suggest he'll be going longer than mane and salah is ridiculous.
Been alegend for this club and always will be. however he ain't no fowler.


5.) 18 Mar 2022 22:12:21
Magico sorry mate can you name many other attacking midfielders that score as many as Bobby in a season buddy? He's not an our and out goalscorer but mane and salah score more when he's in the team. There's allot of very good reasons for that.


6.) 18 Mar 2022 22:33:29
Bobby was fantastic on wed. But it was 35 minutes against an Arsenal Defence that has already played 55 mins.

For the good of the club I’d love to see all of our 5 forwards hitting form right now but Bobby has to do a little bit more yet before he starts getting put forward for player of the season or talks of him being a better long term player for us over Mane and Salah.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m Bobby’s biggest fan I think the man needs a statue at Anfield when he leaves that’s how highly I rate him. I think he’s in the winter of his career at Liverpool as he just doesent do the Bobby stuff consistently like he used to and we can’t be sentimental and give him a new contract. Maybe he has a renaissance and he proves me wrong (I truly hope so) but if it was me I’d be moving Bobby & Sadio in the summer.


7.) 18 Mar 2022 22:55:11
Ed, that may be true BUT you are missing one major thing and that is Klopp. You may say sentiments have no place here BUT Klopp is not someone to run players esp those he likes and that have produced for him over time outta town. I mean. Divvy had chances to leave us and had Klopp really tried, he would be gone yet he’s still here.

All I’m saying is that don’t expect Bobbie to be sold if Klopp is not arsed if he is willing to stay on say, reduced terms. Klopp did this at Dortmund where he kept Sebastian Kehl as club captain even tho the guy rarely played so don’t be surprised if Bobbie is still here next season.

{Ed0666's Note - it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he stays but I think it’s time he moves. Wether the club thinks it’s best to keep him for another year and let him leave on a free I don’t know. Maybe they think his vast experience is worth savouring rather than the 15-20 million we could possibly get in a transfer fee I don’t know. As I said I’d let mane and Bobby leave get hopefully 40-50 million and put it in the transfer kitty.


8.) 18 Mar 2022 23:03:59
Ed066 can’t really argue with that mate. But would be a huge gamble to lose 2 of the 5 forwards in the summer. Plus it appears a lot of fans want Salah out as he’s apparently on the decline. That would go from 5 class forwards to Diaz, Jota and Mino left as Origi is potentially off as well.

Redjoe I agree mate. Bobbys been injured quite a lot this season and it’s been horrible watching Salah and Mane struggle to find the back of the net in all those nil nil draws we had.

{Ed0666's Note - Diaz has shown players who are scouted correctly can hit the ground running mate. Yes it’s a gamble getting rid of mane & Bobby bit say we get two players to replace them and they are better?


9.) 18 Mar 2022 23:17:46
As long as Bobby as doing the job on the pitch Klopp wants him to do, there's no reason to get rid of him.
He's still one helluva player, and if he's not quite hitting previous heights he's definitely not ready to be put out to pasture.
It'll come down to whether he's happy with the amount of minutes he gets on the pitch.


10.) 18 Mar 2022 23:22:31
I will not entertain ideas of Bobby being sold. It’s Friday night I’m going to assume your all p. ed ( I know the odds of that are slim, so for those of you who are not p. ed your daft! ) as for sadio he may not be the goal machine of 2 years ago but he still has 2 defenders and a midfielder kicking sh*te out of him every game which allows space for mo. OliRed as for div he has earned his right to loyalty he repays it every season wolves a few weeks ago Say no more!


11.) 18 Mar 2022 23:25:24
This club is currently hitting the heights that we haven’t for years and years. Yes we won a League and CL but that was over 2 separate seasons. We are currently competing for 4 trophies and whilst Diaz has been a revelation Mane, Salah, Jota and Bobby have contributed individually and as a team a hell of a lot to that over the season.

For me it would be madness to be on this cusp of greatness to then rip up the framework in the summer by selling 1, 2 or 3 of them in the hope that we can find other players that can be just as good. Yes teams have to evolve and players move on but to me it looks like this squad is in its prime and hitting its peak. Either that or we’re just lucky to be where we are then.

If it was that easy then everyone would be competing for 4 trophies.


12.) 18 Mar 2022 23:13:21
Ed066 Diaz has been fantastic mate and the 3 of Salah, Bobby and Mane have been sensational for the club in their time and all 3 will go down in history with the club.
Replacing those 3 is a massive ask. Trying to replace the 3 in one window for me would be a huge gamble.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not of the opinion Salah leaving is so cut and dried. We have Jota that is effectively replacing Bobby and Diaz has replaced Mane. I suppose we’ll find out in the summer mate what the club and players have in mind.


13.) 18 Mar 2022 23:36:37
Ed066 agree mate. It’s just all opinion at the mo mate and always good to debate on here.

If Salah does sign a new contract then there’s going to be quite a few upset posters on here as they were happy to stick him out with the recycling this time last week.

{Ed0666's Note - I truly hope he signs. Every day you hear gossip, whispers etc about the situation but very very very few people know the real scoop. I heard something credible the other day but I have no way of knowing it’s credible apart from that the guy that told me told me to keep it quiet so I will. But I stress it could be absolute bollox or could be true. The point is no one knows. It’s all pie in the sky at the moment. Would love Mo to sign as I can’t see our team without the guy for the next couple of seasons but if he is to go I’ll understand why FSG chose to let him go. I have absolutely no doubts they have/will do everything to keep him.


14.) 19 Mar 2022 08:04:41
I said a couple of months back that I thought Bobby’s legs have gone. I’ll stick by that but I’d say he still merits his place for his football brain, if nothing else. Like Thiago, he makes players playing around / off him much better players.


15.) 19 Mar 2022 09:05:12
I think Bobby has scored 9 goals this season in all comps from 25 games, a lot of sub appearances in those 25 games. It's not a bad return to be fair.


16.) 19 Mar 2022 09:25:00
Reduce sorry mate. you say he's an attacking midfielder? He plays centre on a front 3 making him a striker. Now his return over last few years as a STRIKER is poor. Put kane or lewandowski there for instance.
As the eds says. its time to move him and mane on. Maybe sign Bowen and nunez.


17.) 19 Mar 2022 09:49:53
Our forwards are currently 1st Salah, 2nd Jota and Joint 3rd Mane in the Premier League goal scoring charts. Throw into that Bobby has scored 5 also.

We are definitely spoilt as LFC fans when not just on this post but others there is talk of selling all 4 of them in the summer 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣.


18.) 19 Mar 2022 09:15:49
Fair enuff, Ed. I also disagree that Mane should also be sold along with Bobbie. We cannot start ripping up our attack and the depth it took literally years to build in window just cos we think they are past their best whereas their current best still gets it done, just to get some cash.

Remember that Divvy is prolly off this summer and prolly Salah and prolly Mino so if that happens then that’s 4 guys gone in one summer if Mane is sold? Sorry bro, that ain’t happening. If Salah does not sign then I don’t see where Bobbie nor Mane get sold esp if we have to replace Salah as well. Experience in the squad is imperative, IMO. All I’m saying is that if the club dies not need to sell a player then, we roll with it.

{Ed0666's Note - personally mate I don’t think Mane is a weapon anymore, certainly not what he was and I think the difference between primo Sadio and Hulu man Sadio is stark. This may sound really illiterate of me but that’s my opinion. Would he get into City or Chelsea’s starting 11 that’s debatable? Where’s the first touch gone? Where’s the standing still explosion gone when taking on a man? Where’s the clinical finishing gone? He’s not great through the middle and we have Diaz and Jota for the role on the left. I love the guy and will continue to love the guy after he’s gone but the team comes before any player.


19.) 19 Mar 2022 22:59:13
Firmino just looks better. Since his injury he seems sharper and lighter on his feet. I’ve been of the opinion he’s looked slightly overweight past 18 months (for him)
He looks normal again now and I think it’ll benefit Bobby and Liverpool.


20.) 20 Mar 2022 13:52:23
The point of my original post was over the last few years Bobby’s goals have dried up. It’s not as if he was never a goalscorer either that one season he got 27 in all comps balms usually is around the 15 mark. That’s fine but he was never in the team to score so I judged him on his ability to bring others into the game, the little flicks and passes etc. in the last 18 months he has looked like Lukaku up top with the ball just bouncing off him. I watch every LFC game so I know what i see. He has been poor. The other day after s rest etc he looked like the bobby of old and I hope he continues like it cus if so he will become vital for us again.


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2022 19:08:47
I would jump at the chance to get 60m for Salah. I know the upheaval is a risk but why wait when we can move on Now. Much prefer to reinvest now and let someone come in to start developing now rather than lose him for nothing, have to reinvest with no incoming resource and to have used the season playing someone who doesn’t see their future with us. Each to their own though and so long as he performs I will always support him, and I am sure he will. Whatever people may say about him he is quite professional, interviews aside!

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25 Jun 2022 19:05:18
I think Werner would be great under Klopp. However we don’t need him now with Diaz and Nunez capable of playing on the left and Jota, Bobby and Nunez capable of playing through the middle. It’s a left sided attacker we need.

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20 Jun 2022 19:18:20
Gini played his part and recycling the ball well. My issue with him was he only ever did the basics when is was clear he could have done more given his international showings. Yes international football standards are pants but he still hd ability but didn’t show it in a red shirt. If I had a penny for everytime I shouted at the tele because he didn’t show for a pass I’d pay off my mortgage. Still prefer him over Keita though just for being available to be average, rather than injured most of the time and average the rest.

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I would have Gini over Keita anyday of the week but I also prefer to look forward rather than go backwards. Both Keita and now and Hypothertically Wini back would block Jones, Elliot and Carvalho and also potentially Morton so a definitely no for me.

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Spot on JK. UEFA are quick to play the morale high ground card when the super league came about, but are just as bad themselves and much like politicians, all feathering their own nests.

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FSG are far from perfect but under their ownership the clubs commercial and on the field fortunes have sever so steadily improved. We have also gone from almost going into administration to modernising every aspect of our commercial appeal and from a mid table team to arguably one of the two best teams in Europe and been consistent at that level for a few years now. I think I’ll forgive them any minor mistake they have made especially when more often then not they have had the humility to publicly apologise for them. Yes I know said apologies are to keep people happy and likely not sincere, but it’s a damn site better than most. I think most people who want FSG out just want us to be bought by some oil rich nation like NUFC or City, all the while complaining about those clubs finances being unfair. Just enjoy the ride while it lasts I say. We won’t be at this level forever.

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Interesting reads. Always interesting to read others opinions, especially when they change regularly. Since I made my original post Iv actually changed my mind and I think Diaby would be best! Guess we’ll find out this time next year!

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23 Jun 2022 12:46:19
I actually agree with MK here that a 4231 starting formation may be useful to bring the best out of Nunez and allow a more attacking midfield to play in our system. With Elliot, Jones, Ox and and potentially even Firmino (I would love to see this personally) we certainly have the players for it with Hendo or Thiago sitting just in front of Fabs. My only concern would be where Jota fits into all of this. He’s clearly more suited to playing the CF role than out wide and with Salah staying and Diaz clearly effective out on the left im not sure where he fits in, much as I like him as opposed to the popular hatred he gets for some reason on here.

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22 Jun 2022 19:08:19
Jota bashing IMO is a joke. I have nothing to more say on it.
Anyway on Taki, probably deserved more of a chance but never let us down when called upon. Good player at the wrong club I think. Ironic that for all the plaudits of our first choice front 5 (before Mane left) we didn’t win the trophies they played the most part in but did the double in no small part thanks to bit part players Divock and Taki who we would not even of got to the final without. All the best to the pair of them.

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