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25 Apr 2015 12:21:25
Assuming we don't get a CL spot (still clinging on to that bit of hope), what forwards can we attract to Liverpool that will want to come. Assume we move on Balo and Borini so £20 million max!

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - Obviously the finances don't work like that, but Liverpool still have a firm interest in Ings and Vietto - plus Origi will be arriving.}


1.) 25 Apr 2015 14:00:52
I agree. Maybe i should not have put a figure in as such. With your contacts/opinion would you suggest which would be the better fit for Liverpool. Cheers

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}


2.) 25 Apr 2015 16:33:03
Ed do you no if Vietto will come or not without CL football?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}


3.) 26 Apr 2015 01:16:54
no need to assume rover , we will be lucky to get 5th spot , BR and the players are half way to the beach , and we have switched off , its going to be Ings , why ? , he costs less .


 

 

11 Dec 2014 16:06:11
Ok, so we are 2 weeks to Christmas! Hard to believe i know but i want you all to spare a thought for other people maybe outside your family circle this Christmas.

Over here in Northern Ireland a local radio station (Cool fm) run a mission Christmas every year. Last year they had requests for 5000 gifts for kids of all ages and sex that would have had nothing to open on Christmas Day. An awful thought for any kid i'm sure you agree. This year they have requests for close to 7000 gifts. It tells me how many families are struggling these days and need a little bit of human kindness.

On doing a bit of research i can tell you that loads of other local radio stations run similar projects all over the UK. The Salvation Army also run a Christmas appeal.

So when you venture out to the town for a bit of seasonal cheer maybe you can spare a thought for those not so fortunate as ourselves. Boots do great 3 for 2 offers for older kids, Smyths toys also! That extra £20/30 will make a huge difference to some youngster this year. Please if you can, do your bit.

Thanks for reading.

The Irish Rover

{Ed001's Note - I will put this on all 3 main pages so it can be seen, great idea mate.}


1.) 11 Dec 2014 16:38:13
Nice one mate


2.) 11 Dec 2014 21:22:56
Who in gods name disagreed With this post ffs get a grip


3.) It's a great initiative and we have the same in Blackpool where the cash for kids charity runs mission christmas. We along with lots of local businesses act as drop of points for your extra gifts which are then delivered to main centres such as sainsburys in our area. All details on drop of points can be found on your local radio station.

All help is massively appreciated.

Cheers


4.) I normally disagree with most things you say on here Rover but spot on with this one.


5.) Hi it's Bauer media/cash4Kids in the UK. I spent some time with them last week sorting gifts to be sent to underprivileged children. Still time to donate
A premier league footballer turned up while we were there spending possibly 10 minutes doing f@@k all other than getting as much publicity as he could.


 

 

26 Jan 2014 12:33:03
Top of the morning Ed02.

A question if you don't mind. When a transfer goes tits up as it has done recently (mentioning no names), Ayre seems to come in for a bit of stick/abuse. Some posters basically claim he is a poor negotiator and very slow in getting deals tied up. In your opinion, would this be a fair assessment? Or is he trying to do the best job he can under the financial constraints he is put under?

I remember a while back you mentioning Liverpool putting in bids way below the asking price therefore not even getting the other team to negotiate. Would they have been better of advised not to go for such players and save themselves from the embarrassment or is there always a chance, therefore worth a go so to speak?

Lastly, leading from the first 2 questions. If Chelsea had not have swooped for Salah would Liverpool have got their man for the price they offered (A third of the asking price?). I appreciate its a bit of a loaded question and I fully understand if you don't want to answer this bit.

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - In my opinion the posters know nothing of the situation at all and as the new type of fan lives only in a blame culture, Mr Ayre becomes the target in such situations. These are the same people who want, Jones, Gerrard, Moses, Allen, Henderson, Johnson, Cissokho, Enrique, Sterling, Agger, Skrtel, Kirikou, Coates, etc., etc. out. There will be a process that decides what sort of money the club will be willing to pay for a player on a case-by-case basis. If an offer is only a third or so of what the selling club are looking for they would typically not be interested in any negotiations as it would be seen as futile. There will also be financial constraints that will need to be adhered to. Aside from interest from Newcastle there was also a bid made by another side for Salah - Liverpool would certainly not have gotten him for the amount they were offering. It was clear that they would have needed to go to Basel with a much improved offer.}


1.) Ed do you think not signing Salah was the right thing to do or not? I'm a fan, I care nothing about money, just want to see my club grow better and better. So please tell me in monetary terms, could not signing Salah deemed a success?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the question means.}


2.) 26 Jan 2014 16:26:50
Wasn't our initial bid for Suarez something like £12.7 million? Only to be practically doubled within a week?
Ed02, any idea if this is true or am I making stuff up?

{Ed002's Note - I don't recall the numbers but it was something like that.}


3.) Krishna, you are asking a hypothetical question and only time will tell if Salah going to be the next Oscar or if he'll end up the next Torress .
The club (Our club) obviously thought he is very useful, that's why they initiated negotiation, the fact that they again failed to complete / close suggests there is a problem that the club need to address.


4.) Eds the question seems to ask whether the club are not prepared to negotiate due to their valuation on players being no where near the selling clubs or is it the fault of Ayre specifically as he is not skilled at negotiating? I hope most fans who use this site want to support the club and not spend their time slagging everyone off but u must understand these events become very public fails in the eyes of the fans and we want to understand why we lose out.

Cheers

{Ed002's Note - The fans work in a 100% blame culture and have been shown repeatedly to blame the owners and Mr Ayre for another transfer window where eight £40M players failed to arrive.}


5.) It's seems strange all the same that we spent close to 3 months scouting him, he was earmarked to be a starting XI player and yet we wouldn't spend £11mil to get him. Keep in mind we've recently spent £10mil on Borini, £7mil on Aspas and £7mil on Alberto all to warm the bench.£11mil for a starter doesn't seem that much.


6.) Ed, I think the Salah situation does emphasise a problem in the way we pursue players. I accept that we do not have the money that many of our rivals seem to have, but we proved last January that there is a way to do well in January. In that window we went early and we went fast and landed both Coutinho and Sturridge. The issue highlighted in the summer with Mkhitaryan and to a lesser extent Willian, and now with Salah is that we wait too long and then start too low, thereby giving other teams the chance to react. It is even worse in this instance, as Chelsea would probably not have bid for Salah if we had gone for him on Jan 1st, as they would not have had Mata money ( or need to replace him). The fact that nothing happened ahead of the visit of Henry and Werner means we wasted our best chance of stealing a march on the competition. That would seem to have really cost us. This is the best chance in ages to crack the top 4, but it required us to be ready on Jan 1st and then to go quick and hard to get the players that BR deemed to be the ones to improve the first XI. I am not saying it is down to Ian Ayre, but I think collectively the senior team made a big mistake in delaying and then starting too low on our primary January target. From the outside it looks like we are a little naive as to how the market works these days. We don't have the pulling power we used to, so we have to be far smarter in how we go to market, and right now we are just making ourselves look a little daft as we constantly get beaten to players. The biggest concern is that Luis Suarez must be looking at this and going "this is the problem, no one wants to come and join me here!" Do you not think we need to re-think our approach somewhat to ensure we can bring in players who can improve our First XI as opposed to just attracting a plethora of squad players?

{Ed002's Note - The delay in the summer was largely due to Suarez. Liverpool were not in the same ballpark as Basel in terms of price for Salah.}


7.) No disrespect eds just another opinion. I would say the md of a company is pretty good place to start when things are done badly. After all the book stops at the top! In an earlier reply you suggested we had a committee which arye was part of. Let's check his credentials for being on that committee. He had little experience of signing players and doig deals and knows nothing about football. How on earth is he any where near it? Dempsey fiasco was a joke now salah! If we had of signed Dempsey for peanuts I might add he would now be a valued squad player sometimes starter. We need a winger to push on for top four how is it not worth going in at 11 mil? The book stops at the top and yet again the team will just miss out. Same old problems "this time next year". What a shambles. A window when we need decisive action to kick us on for a real possibility of success the chance goes begging. Not just on salah but the whole window. Mata to utd Chelsea sign three. Our main rivals with big squad already put u to shame

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea did not sign three players to replace Mata. So with your erroneous cliché about the "book" stopping at the top, perhaps you should go after the owners who are at the top. A nice little hate campaign to force them out and get Sheikh Al Thani or Sulaiman Al Fahim in?}


8.) I would say all the comments on this thread are generally questions with some sarcasm, frustration and clear lack of understanding at what goes on at MD level in a prem club and especially at LFC so eds002 please try and respond constructively to the debate rather than giving people short shrift.

Are u clear what happened in the Salah deal?

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be an idiot - I am perfectly clear what happened with Salah.}


9.) I didn't say Chelsea signed three to replace mata. I said many sign mata and Chelsea have also bought players. If we are to compete over a season with rivals such as these then we should be getting things done. Low balling for players highlights weakness at magement level not ownership! Ian arye is at the top of management and has a large portion of responsibility. Are you suggesting he doesn't? Our owners have spent millions already there the last in line. The management/ arye have responsibility for putting that money to good use and sign players not mess around until other clubs beat us to the chase.


10.) Why are you arguing with the eds you just come off looking like a pelican. If you don't like there opinion don't come to the site, no one is forcing you to.


11.) Rather than blame us for being too slow isn't it obvious that Chelsea let us, Spurs or another team do the negotiating, agree a fee and then they come in over the top and offer more at the last minute?
That is Chelsea's strategy. You can't blame the management at Pool or other teams for that!

{Ed002's Note - You clearly don't understand how any of this works.}


12.) Let's just stick to the point.We have a great chance of breaking back into the top 4, but we all see we need some help in doing this.Salah, who we scouted and apparently negotiated with Basel for didn't happen.Most of us would of liked to see him in a red shirt, and felt much better about our chance's if he had arrived.But as Chelsea got him for £11m, we are none to happy as to who and why We didn't get him.So we play the blame game, and Ayre is first on the list.


13.) 27 Jan 2014 18:12:38
Absolutely spot on niceaction


 

 

10 Jan 2014 21:59:42
Ed02. Have Napoli put a bid in for Agger. Has Agger turned it down? Thanks.

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - I suspect that he will stay to the summer.}


 

 

02 Sep 2013 22:03:19
Excuse my ignorance, but did Borini go on loan or not? Was the deal completed? Cheers. {Ed001's Note - yes, he is at Sunderland for the season.}

The Irish Rover

1.) Good luck Borini, work your socks off and come back a better player. YNWA


2.) Think this was a bad move by Liverpool however, with the amount of abuse the lad was getting of his own fans it might be the best thing for him in the long run. You plastic fans ripping into a player who had about a month of actual football uninjured hang your heads in shame, some of the people who support us are an embarrassment. {Ed001's Note - that is the reason he was sent out on loan, too many boo boys on his back.}


3.) I like borini I think he works hard. Hopefully he does well and comes back


4.) If so then it might be very shrewd management, no point him staying here just to have his confidence destroyed.


5.) Borini makes some great runs - He is a very clever footballer who creates space for others.

He will get goals too - maybe not loads but he is a good finisher. Shame he has gone out on loan.

Shame all the fans who didn't see BR as the answer take their frustrations out on a young player who spent most of last season injured - Thought LFC fans were better than that!


6.) Football is all about different opinions. If everyone had the same we wouldn't have forums like this. I don't accept someone being given a 'plastic' or 'boo boy' tag just because they don't rate a particular player. When we pay £725 for a season ticket, and i'm in my 29th year as a season ticket holder, then we hold the right have an opinion even if its not popular. I'll always support the men in Red, through wind and rain. But I'm not so blinkered that I will claim greatness in every player. Borini, in my opinion, wasn't isn't and never will be, of the quality our team deserves. Of course, I wish him well and hope he is a success at Sunderland.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2021 18:59:02
Well done Wales. Pleased for Harry Wilson and Neco Williams.

The Irish Rover

1.) 17 Jun 2021 13:20:37
Why? Neco barely played.


 

 

20 Apr 2021 10:18:15
From what I have read in the past, a Super League or whatever else you want to call it is going to happen. Maybe not this badly timed PR disaster but we have all seen Ed002s posts on what will happen in the future which the "elite" 21 clubs discuss maybe a couple of times a year.
So even if this Super League doesn't kick off, we are only just kicking the can down the road.
Also the "elite" 21 groups idea seems to be moving completely from their prospective leagues, maybe a two tier league eventually but still a closed shop.
I don't agree with any of it at all but you have to fear that even if we win this battle, we won't win the war!
Would Liverpool fans be happy in the future to be stuck in a Premier League while some of the top English Clubs and all the top clubs in Europe play in an Elite League?

The Irish Rover

1.) 20 Apr 2021 10:25:24
IR, this whole Super League notion is not new. In fact if my memory serves me well, they have been talking about this since 1998 so it was only a matter of time till this became reality cos the big clubs wanted the very same things back then, that they want now (more money, power, influence etc) . Will it happen? Probably BUT I fully agree that it won't be for right now.


2.) 20 Apr 2021 10:29:24
We missed the gravy train in 92 with moores and Perry it’s takin 30Years to catch up! Football is changing we either get with it and don’t!
There is no values in football no more it’s a massive global business no matter what fans or people think!
Neville and Carra are getting plenty of air time because sky them selves aren’t getting a look in and will be down millions!
What I’m reading is these clubs want their power back from uefa or fifa!
It’s not a closed league as Perez has said I think when then plans are fully laid out more people will Come around!
I know the owners are greedy parasites but football changed back in 1992 when the big money came in!
We either get with it or be left behind like last time!
Like Ed said won’t be long before a player is on 1m a Wk and only the top teams will be paying that!
If we want to be up there this is how it goes unfortunately!
Sorry for the rant!


3.) 20 Apr 2021 10:34:34
We are not making a jump to a platform where others are joining rather we are acting as the orchestrators for building the platform. Even if others make the jump, I hope that we never do it. Football as we know could come to an end if this materialises.


4.) 20 Apr 2021 10:37:07
Yes i would be.


5.) 20 Apr 2021 10:37:41
The core principle here that stinks is the anti-competitive nature of what has been proposed.

Remove the 'security' of the 'Founding 15' and the ESL is no better or worse than any of the other proposed changes to the UCL.


6.) 20 Apr 2021 11:30:38
The thing is, American sports, especially their football, is extremely popular and very keenly contested, and there’s no relegation in that.
What competitive integrity is lost by that is made up through the players draft system.
Meaning that there’s much less ongoing domination by one team.


7.) 20 Apr 2021 14:00:44
Juicer - you're spot on. But the challenge here is understanding that.


8.) 20 Apr 2021 13:12:15
Juicer, I don’t think that system would work in a sport that was built on a completely different premise. The nba, nfl evolved into what it is today and remains very popular in North America, they aren’t exactly globalised sports even if they’re broadcasted globally, where are the popular nba or nfl teams from abroad? There are none that anyone cares about anyway. Maybe that’s based on their geography but the structure of their sports is also what the problem is. British sports have always been based on a different premise and they’re much more globalised and I think cricket and football are both more popular than any American sport.

Essentially, I’ll liken this to many of the foreign things the Americans end up tainting. For example, they take a film or a show from a foreign country that was extremely popular, they make their own version of it, and it ends up being a complete and utter flop, I haven’t seen an example of it working out yet. You won’t be able to Americanise football, especially when the sentiments the fans have vanish once liverpool isn’t based in liverpool anymore and we end up playing loads of our ‘home’ games in the states or China. Anfield won’t even be a factor anymore.


9.) 20 Apr 2021 13:17:21
The Juicer - American sports are popular primarily in the US with pockets of fans outside. The reason for their relative financial success is that America is an enormous country and a financial behemoth, not because of the way they govern their leagues. No American sport can even dream of comparing to the global following of football - a sport played in every country across the world.
The no-relegation idea is a non-starter.


 

 

19 Apr 2021 18:25:57
Ed002, can you remind me how many "elite" clubs there are and how many of the 12 are in the "elite" group? Cheers.

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - 21 and 10 (although some clubs could still back down from the proposal).


 

 

19 Apr 2021 07:02:39
Thanks Ed002 for the information as tough to take in as it may be for a lot of fans.

Please remember Ed002 doesn't create this scenario. He merely supplies us with the facts and maybe his opinion, which we are all entitled too. This page would be 50% without the input he gives. Please be respectful with your replies.

Have a great week! 👍👍.

The Irish Rover

1.) 19 Apr 2021 10:16:44
Spot on Irish. Ed002 deserves he utmost respect for telling us what he knows, explaining it clearly and being absolutely honest about it. He’s been telling us this was on the cards for years and years (RTFP! ) . So let’s not be surprised and don’t abuse Ed (or any of the Ed’s for that matter) about this.


 

 

15 Apr 2021 06:58:24
I can't fault the effort from the team. In the main we played very well and created plenty of not just chances but really good chance.
Firmino was a bit anonymous first half but was better second. Mane looked a lot better also.
I guess that game just highlights a real part of our problem this season, not just injuries but also unable to put away chances. We could have been going in level on aggregate at half time.
Anyway, suck it up and move on. In any other year we would look at our remaining PL games with favour. Top 4 is a must, if we don't the team have no one to blame but themselves.

The Irish Rover

1.) 15 Apr 2021 07:22:09
Spot on, IR. I knew if we got eliminated, it would be a case of what might as been. The poor first leg perf did us in, for sure and oval sure Klopp is livid with himself and the team for such a poor performance. We have to learn from this cos the lessons are there to be learnt.

As for the game itself, I thought we are good for the first 75 minutes and then, our legs went. Had Salah scored in the first 90 seconds, who knows? We love on.


2.) 15 Apr 2021 07:37:38
we needed two goals and Klopp started both wijnaldum and Milner and only God knows why. Madrid came to sit back and hot us on the counter and succeeded well. simples. What did we learn that we did not in the previous years, that when salah doesn't score we don't have goals and the ones on the bench are simply not good enough?


3.) 15 Apr 2021 10:17:35
He started Milner for his drive and leadership. Something that was massively lacking in the first leg.


4.) 15 Apr 2021 11:22:15
I thought mane lacked effort and desire in parts. In the second half for one of our corners he walked into the box and didn’t even make it for the kick. I generally think we need a striker coach because we couldn’t hit a barn door at the min.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2021 15:30:53
Sell him for a healthy profit Elf 😜.

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16 Jun 2021 13:12:40
At £82 I would buy him myself mate.

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16 Jun 2021 13:11:18
I think its C.V. related ravo19 😜.

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12 Jun 2021 12:47:34
If Liverpool see the price as too high then, they too can walk away. I would be pretty sure this has happened on several occasions. Remember the deals that go thru are the ones the club are happy to pay.
It seems that other clubs aren't happy to pay the prices for Liverpool "fringe" players but we also have sold players and got good and sometimes great money for them such as Brewster and Coutinho.

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05 Jun 2021 11:00:18
I agree with Ed001. Big Origi never has shown that determination. He has the attributes to be a far better player, maybe not World Class Brendan Rodgers said he could be but still better than he shows most of the time.

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22 Jun 2021 16:01:59
Conor Bradley is the boy Pete price. Great work by my good friend and club scout based at Stormont. He is trying his hardest to get a young NI prospect into a Liverpool first 11. He also had a key role in signing Materson and Kelleher getting their dream move.

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21 Jun 2021 17:30:05
They are 2 great players, no point in trying to sugar coat it, but then again Aguero was a great player too. It won't make much of a difference. All I want to know is Does "Origi minutes" just count at Liverpool?

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21 Jun 2021 11:36:13
If you're good enough you will get game time. If not, you won't. The PL isn't a training ground. If Daka wants guaranteed game time, join Everton. You want to win trophies and prove if you've got it? He knows what to do.

The Irish Rover

{Ed025's Note - but its how you come to that conclusion IR, do you give him 1 game and if he makes a mistake put him in the garbage?, im not saying its easy but if you dont give the kids a bit of time and show some patience...you might as well scrap the academy mate..


 

 

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21 Jun 2021 06:43:38
I think 4 best 3rd placed teams qualify too. Not sure if the Swiss have done enough tho yet but you never know.

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20 Jun 2021 19:47:36
Thiago never even played in all of the last 10 pl games. Given also that there were 2 draws against Leeds and Newcastle were the team was poor, especially Newcastle. Its hard to commit to saying that he "absolutely balled out the last 10 games"
Personally I would say last 4 games if I'm being generous.

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